From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 1 11:37:05 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA05012 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 05:40:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199302011140.AA05012@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dcs.ed.ac.uk (stroma.dcs.ed.ac.uk) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA04992 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 05:39:54 -0600 Received: from hoy.dcs.ed.ac.uk by dcs.ed.ac.uk id aa07451; 1 Feb 93 11:37 GMT Date: Mon, 1 Feb 93 11:37:05 GMT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Live Query X-Mailer: MMDF/Ream v5.1.22a Organisation: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science Status: O Really-From: Al Crawford Can anyone out there confirm for me exactly what the contents of the _Haut Abende_ (apologies to any of a Germanic disposition if I've done something ghastly to the spelling there) live double CD are? I've heard that it's supposed to contain material from two shows on the British leg of the 1991 tour, namely the (checks humungous 60"*40" _The Robots_ poster on office wall) 16th July show in Sheffield City Hall and the 17th July show at the Playhouse in Ediburgh. I'm not normally a huge fan of live albums, especially those of dubious legality (and thus enormous cost) and the closeness of the live performances on the _The Mix_ tour to the album versions doesn't help either, but if I could confirm that a substantial proportion of the material was from the Edinburgh show (and especially if it included the versions of "Tour De France" and "The Model") then I might be more inclined to take the plunge. On a completely unrelated note, does anyone have a definitive list of Kraftwerk cover versions? I'm aware of two or three different covers of "The Model" (Ride, Big Black and Another) as well as the five tracks covered by the Balanescu Quartet. Is there anything else? -- Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk Department Of Computer Science, The University of Edinburgh Rm 1410, JCMB, Kings Buildings, Mayfield Rd, EDINBURGH, EH9 3JZ, Scotland Tel: +44 (0) 31 650 5165 Fax: +44 (0) 31 667 7209 From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 1 07:01:03 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06593 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 06:45:57 -0600 Message-Id: <199302011245.AA06593@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sunic.sunet.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06582 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 06:45:37 -0600 Received: from ume.cs.umu.se ([130.239.36.11]) by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8/1.28) id AA09623; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 13:45:27 +0100 Received: from carlshem.cs.umu.se by ume.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA06131; Mon, 1 Feb 93 13:45:26 +0100, auth dvlawm X-Auth-From: dvlawm Received: by carlshem.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA14676; Mon, 1 Feb 93 13:45:21 +0100 Return-Path: From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Live Query Date: Mon, 1 Feb 93 13:45:17 MET In-Reply-To: <199302011140.AA05012@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Feb 1, 93 11:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: dvlawm@cs.umu.se > > On a completely unrelated note, does anyone have a definitive list of > Kraftwerk cover versions? I'm aware of two or three different covers of > "The Model" (Ride, Big Black and Another) as well as the five tracks > covered by the Balanescu Quartet. Is there anything else? As far as I know, there is a cower of Hall of mirrors that Siouxie and the Banshees made on a cover album. I can't remember the albumtitle though... Well, you could add the ones that we (Transformator Station) has recorded, which will be available in late May on the second disc on our double-cd "Dusseldorf Nachtexpress": Radioaktivitat Spiegelsaal T.E.E Robots Pocket Calculator T.E.E / TGV / Dusseldorf Nachtexpress - Trafo songs It's more fun to compute Autobahn / RUHR /anders -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * trafo@unitech.se * feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 1 08:01:05 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA08211 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 07:34:24 -0600 Message-Id: <199302011334.AA08211@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from daimi.aau.dk by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA08170 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 07:33:56 -0600 Received: from stinne.daimi.aau.dk by daimi.aau.dk with SMTP id AA28616 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 14:33:48 +0100 Received: by stinne.daimi.aau.dk (5.64/1.34) id AA27307; Mon, 1 Feb 93 14:33:45 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Covers Date: Mon, 1 Feb 93 14:33:43 MET X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: bouvin@daimi.aau.dk As towards covers of Kraftwerk... I haven't bought it yet, but I've some of it. The Badernesco Quartet (a string quartet!): Possessed Featuring (I think) four Kraftwerk songs, the ones I heard was quite good, though of course nothing like the real thing.... Niels Olof Bouvin From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 1 15:28:30 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA07932 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 07:28:55 -0600 Message-Id: <199302011328.AA07932@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from bellatrix.tdb.uu.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA07910 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 07:28:41 -0600 Received: by bellatrix.tdb.uu.se (4.1/1.34) id AA26277; Mon, 1 Feb 93 14:28:30 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Live Query (unrelated note) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 14:28:30 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199302011245.AA06593@cs.uwp.edu> from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Feb 1, 93 01:45:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1386 Status: O Really-From: andersh@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se (Anders Holmberg) > > Really-From: dvlawm@cs.umu.se > > > > > > On a completely unrelated note, does anyone have a definitive list of > > Kraftwerk cover versions? I'm aware of two or three different covers of > > "The Model" (Ride, Big Black and Another) as well as the five tracks > > covered by the Balanescu Quartet. Is there anything else? There is a 'disco-cover' of "the model" by someone called Kruger. I think it's quite funny. I can't give you details on this one, since a friend of mine told me yesterday that he had both his and mine copy of it... > > As far as I know, there is a cower of Hall of mirrors that > Siouxie and the Banshees made on a cover album. I can't > remember the albumtitle though... That should be "Trough the looking glass" (y'know the one with the cover of 'passenger') > > Well, you could add the ones that we (Transformator Station) has > recorded, which will be available in late May on the second disc > on our double-cd "Dusseldorf Nachtexpress": > > Radioaktivitat > Spiegelsaal > T.E.E > Robots > Pocket Calculator > T.E.E / TGV / Dusseldorf Nachtexpress - Trafo songs > It's more fun to compute > Autobahn / RUHR > > /anders Hello Anders, long time, no see... Well, i knew that you were a kraftwerk-freak, but isn't this just a bit to much? :-) /Anders Holmberg andersh@tdb.uu.se Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala universitet From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 1 01:41:26 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA08583 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 07:41:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199302011341.AA08583@cs.uwp.edu> Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA08572 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 07:41:27 -0600 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 07:41:26 -0600 In-Reply-To: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) "Live Query" (Feb 1, 11:37am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) Subject: Re: Live Query Status: O Really-From: datta (David Datta) } Really-From: Al Crawford } On a completely unrelated note, does anyone have a definitive list of } Kraftwerk cover versions? Al! I am surprised you forgot the Neon Lights by OMD! -- -Dave datta@cs.uwp.edu "Such abuse would be illegal and is therefore unlikely." - FBI Director William Sessions From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 1 15:18:16 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA10462 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 08:19:56 -0600 Message-Id: <199302011419.AA10462@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA10429 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 08:19:23 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GU7N0RIYZK9AMG2K@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 15:18:16 GMT+0100 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 15:18:16 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Covers Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia An Spanish techno band did a version live of _the Model_, titled Las Modelos, with a lyric sung in Spanish, quite good. The band is EL AVIADOR DRO Y SUS OBREROS ESPECIALIZADOS, or AVIADOR DRO for short. Unfortunately, I don't have a tape of this :-( Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 1 11:01:06 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA19308 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 10:52:21 -0600 Message-Id: <199302011652.AA19308@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax2.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA19291 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 10:52:09 -0600 Received: from HASARA11.BITNET by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 1 Feb 93 17:52 MET Received: from HASARA11 (SSCPRICK) by HASARA11.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 9140; Mon, 01 Feb 93 17:51:46 CET Date: Mon, 01 Feb 93 17:50:39 CET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: SARA - Amsterdam Universities Computer Center Subject: Kraftwerk equipment Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Here is a thing I posted to rec.music.something a while ago in answer to someone's questions, and updated now: Yes, it was 'home'made stuff. Hutter and Schneider themselves are not electronic-tech types. Hutter was studying architecture, Schneider was in music school if I remember well. The gadgets are built for them by acquainted technicians. I met one of those a while ago: Falk Kuebler. You will find him listed in the credits on ComputerWorld. These days he's the director of a German parallel computer company Parsytec. He built a thing for them based on a 68000 processor to generate computer speech. Not the ah-hah-hahaa thing as in Europe Endless but more a robotic voice thingy. (Anyone know how the ah-hah-hahaa was done? Could have been a phonemes generator, not sure) In the TEE days they also had a special sequencer built for them, that may have been the 'Synthanorma Sequenzer' thats listed on the sleeve of TEE. Kraftwerk has never been very open about what synthesizers they used, but here goes a small list: mini-moog in the early days, a big ARP (dunno which one) in the Radioactivity days, PolyMoog (on The Model?), Prophet 5. Hutter has said he likes the smaller machines better than the big machines because they are more 'intimate', and it takes you too long to produce a sound you like using the bigger modulars. In the Computer World days they had a Fairlight, on Electric Cafe a Synclavier was used. I read an article a while ago, in which the importers of the Fairlight talked about Schneider having taken apart his Fairlight to put it in a rack, and that the thing then didn't work. I guess they were then assembling their equipment into the portable KlingKlang studio. The Synclavier is more than just a sampler/synthesizer, it also contains a tapeless studio concept, where you record things into memory and hard disk, not tape. A big problem might now be that New England Digital, who made the Synclavier, is out of business. Bad news I guess for Kraftwerk, Zappa, Pat Metheny and lots of others. Currently one of the synths in use is a Waldorf Microwave, according to people who recognized its flashing 'knob'. A MicroWave even contains a patch called Kraftwerk. This is a drum sound that you can hear in the The Mix version of Pocket Calculator. In the AUtobahn days much of their instruments weren't really electronic. Like a guitar, an electric violin, flutes, mouth organ and the like. Many of those hooked up to the rest of the equipment using contact microphones. -Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl "With electronics more music, and not the other way around" -Jiri Klasek From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 1 12:01:07 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20543 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 11:07:47 -0600 Message-Id: <199302011707.AA20543@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax2.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20489 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 11:07:20 -0600 Received: from HASARA11.BITNET by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 1 Feb 93 18:07 MET Received: from HASARA11 (SSCPRICK) by HASARA11.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 9164; Mon, 01 Feb 93 18:06:53 CET Date: Mon, 01 Feb 93 18:04:02 CET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: SARA - Amsterdam Universities Computer Center Subject: Re: Live Query In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 1 Feb 1993 07:41:26 -0600 Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Another cover of The Model was done by a guy called 'Snakefinger'. He performed The Model live even before Kraftwerk themselves did. As far as I know Kraftwerk haven't performed live between 1976 and 1981, and The Model was conceived during that time. Did Kraftwerk tour the US in 1992, with the The Mix tour? Or is that still to happen? I do remember the concerts were cancelled last year. -Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl "With electronics more music, and not the other way around" -Jiri Klasek From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 1 18:13:37 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22137 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 11:26:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199302011726.AA22137@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22120 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 11:25:47 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GU7T34I0UO9AMGLC@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 18:13:37 GMT+0100 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 18:13:37 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: heute abend Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: Al Crawford > > Can anyone out there confirm for me exactly what the contents of the _Haut > Abende_ (apologies to any of a Germanic disposition if I've done something > ghastly to the spelling there) live double CD are? Yes, it contains songs from two UK concerts (don't remember which ones now!) It also has a couple of songs from a soundcheck. Very funny: I saw her on the cover of a magazine Now she's a big success, I want to f**k her again Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 1 22:36:43 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA04752 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 14:37:25 -0600 Message-Id: <199302012037.AA04752@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sunic.sunet.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA04713 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 14:37:01 -0600 Received: from Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8/1.28) id AA10840; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 21:36:44 +0100 Received: by Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/630, SunOS 4.1.2) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA13341; Mon, 1 Feb 93 21:36:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 93 21:36:43 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request In-Reply-To: kraftwerk mailing list's message of Mon, 1 Feb 1993 07:41:26 -0600 <199302011341.AA08583@cs.uwp.edu> Subject: Live Query Status: O Really-From: Mikael Lundgren From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 07:41:26 -0600 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) Really-From: datta (David Datta) } Really-From: Al Crawford } On a completely unrelated note, does anyone have a definitive list of } Kraftwerk cover versions? Al! I am surprised you forgot the Neon Lights by OMD! There was a 12" single back in the early 80's which contained a disco medley of covers of * Radioactivity * The Robots * The Model (sung by a female!) * T.E.E ? * Chariots of fire by Vangelis The record was called "Late night radio" and performed by some constellation named "Between the sheets". Italian? My guess. () University of Uppsala ,Sweden | Mikael (Vick) Lundgren ____ () () Department of Computer Systems | vick@bern.docs.uu.se /.. \/| () () Remember:Four bananas always add up to a plectrum. (----) | )) () () Neither more nor less and definitely not the other way around.\____/\| () From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 1 19:48:00 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA04774 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 21:05:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199302020305.AA04774@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from relay1.UU.NET by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA04751 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Feb 1993 21:05:17 -0600 Received: from mail.uunet.ca (via uunet.ca) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA04676; Mon, 1 Feb 93 22:04:59 -0500 Received: from web.apc.org ([142.77.253.8]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <10490>; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 22:04:48 -0500 Received: from intacc by web.apc.org with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0nJDw1-0000qNC; Mon, 1 Feb 93 22:04 EST Received: by intacc.uucp (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 93 21:48 PST Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 00:48:00 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Covers Status: O Really-From: intacc!zerobeat@uunet.UU.NET (Ferenc Szabo) Snakefinger (RIP) did a cover of 'The Model' around '79 or '80. It's available now on a cd entitled 'Snakefinger: A Collection' released in 1988. The songs on the cd were extracted from the lps 'Chewing Hides The Sound' and 'Greener Postures' from that era but I don't know which one originally contained 'The Model'. patient Zer0 From kraftwerk-request Tue Feb 2 02:51:46 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20548 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 02:38:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199302020838.AA20548@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax2.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20529 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 02:38:06 -0600 Received: from HASARA11.BITNET by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 2 Feb 93 9:38 MET Received: from HASARA11 (SSCPRICK) by HASARA11.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 1114; Tue, 02 Feb 93 09:37:29 CET Date: Tue, 02 Feb 93 09:36:33 CET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: SARA - Amsterdam Universities Computer Center Subject: Re: Covers In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 2 Feb 1993 00:48:00 -0500 Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Oh, Suzie and the Banshees did a cd full of covers of other bands. They covered Kraftwerk's The Hall of Mirrors. Quite a good one too! (Dunno the name of that cd, sorry). -Rick. -- rick@sara.nl "With electronics more music, and not the other way around" -Jiri Klasek From kraftwerk-request Tue Feb 2 10:10:48 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA21628 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 03:13:51 -0600 Message-Id: <199302020913.AA21628@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA21618 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 03:13:41 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GU8QLXDR4G9AMHYY@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 2 Feb 1993 10:10:48 GMT+0100 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 10:10:48 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: 1981 pictures needed Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Does anyone of you have pictures from the 1981 kraftwerk tour ? They are for an article in AKTIVITAT, the KW fanzine. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Tue Feb 2 04:16:10 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA23382 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 03:47:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199302020947.AA23382@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sunic.sunet.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA23367 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 03:47:36 -0600 Received: from ume.cs.umu.se ([130.239.36.11]) by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8/1.28) id AA23368; Tue, 2 Feb 1993 10:47:22 +0100 Received: from gimli.cs.umu.se by ume.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA15898; Tue, 2 Feb 93 10:47:21 +0100, auth dvlawm X-Auth-From: dvlawm Received: by gimli.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA12864; Tue, 2 Feb 93 10:47:10 +0100 Return-Path: From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Kraftwerk equipment Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 10:47:00 MET X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: dvlawm@cs.umu.se During their UK-tour, last summer, I definetly saw that they had a couple of Akai S-1100's and at least one Midi-Moog... Does anyone know what sequencer they used? From what I saw it was something on a pc. /anders -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * trafo@unitech.se * feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** From kraftwerk-request Tue Feb 2 11:07:21 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06846 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 05:09:27 -0600 Message-Id: <199302021109.AA06846@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dcs.ed.ac.uk (stroma.dcs.ed.ac.uk) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06177 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 05:08:59 -0600 Received: from hoy.dcs.ed.ac.uk by dcs.ed.ac.uk id aa27516; 2 Feb 93 11:07 GMT Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 11:07:21 GMT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Covers In-Reply-To: kraftwerk@edu.uwp.cs's message of Tue, 2 Feb 93 04:00:11 CST X-Mailer: MMDF/Ream v5.1.22a Organisation: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science Status: O Really-From: Al Crawford > Really-From: datta (David Datta) > > Al! I am surprised you forgot the Neon Lights by OMD! Argh! I hang my head in shame at having forgotten this one, I sure as hell complained loudly enough at the time I first heard it :-) On the subject of this cover - it's fairly apparent that this "cover" uses enormous sampled chunks of the original (and then proceeds to butcher it with a house beat and female vocals, but that's not important right now) and I'm pretty sure Andy McCluskey got official permission to use them (a 'phone call he must have loved making, since the guys a certifiable Kraftwerk maniac). The thing is, I also seem to remember in an interview with McCluskey about then that Ralf Hutter and himself had discussed the possibility of an OMD/Kraftwerk collaboration at some stage. Although this was probably just talk (if even a fraction of the "oh, we'll have to get together and record something sometime" collaborations that I've heard about had actually happened, I'd be a happy man) does anyone know if anything actually came of this one? -- Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk Department Of Computer Science, The University of Edinburgh Rm 1410, JCMB, Kings Buildings, Mayfield Rd, EDINBURGH, EH9 3JZ, Scotland Tel: +44 (0) 31 650 5165 Fax: +44 (0) 31 667 7209 From kraftwerk-request Tue Feb 2 06:51:46 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA19348 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 06:27:43 -0600 Message-Id: <199302021227.AA19348@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA19325 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 06:26:14 -0600 Received: from HASARA11.BITNET by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 2 Feb 93 13:24 MET Received: from HASARA11 (SSCPRICK) by HASARA11.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 1444; Tue, 02 Feb 93 12:35:32 CET Date: Tue, 02 Feb 93 12:33:18 CET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: SARA - Amsterdam Universities Computer Center Subject: Musicomix poster with Ralf&Florian Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen This got never posted here probably, as our newsfeed has been broken for at least two months. I.e. outgoing messages never went out. In article , dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) says: > > Cover on the import version (not sure about the US version) also >features an excellent color picture of the Boys from Dusseldorf in their >native working environment, circa 1973. There's also some mention in the >liner notes of "Musicomix", which are noted to be a collaboration between >Ralf and Florian and their artist whom they worked with extensively in the >1970s, Emil Schult. My copy, when I got it, had no such thing with it, and >I myself would _love_ to know what that was. The musicomix is a poster with colour drawings made by Emil Schult. They are in a pop-arty style, with a picture for each song on Ralf&Florian, and some other loose bits. I guess it is a bit of an in-crowd thing, incomprehensible to other people. For example there is a line (in German) "This sounded like this on the old equipment". Nowhere is explained anything about 'new' or 'old' equipment. There are also some vague drawings of string and wind instruments hooked up to amplifiers with wires. In those days Kraftwerk made music not really with synthesizers, but with conventional flutes, drums and guitars hooked up to other equipment (filters, echo, ringmodulators,...) using contact microphones. Even on Autobahn very many of the sounds were made this way. As far as I remember from interviews from those days the only synthesizers they then had were a minimoog and a (bigger) ARP. -Rick. "The Hercules moth is now mounted, but not in any way that would seem to make its life worth while" - Angus Deayton -- rick@sara.nl "With electronics more music, and not the other way around" -Jiri Klasek From kraftwerk-request Tue Feb 2 16:01:46 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA23008 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 08:02:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199302021402.AA23008@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from charon.cwi.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22983 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 08:02:14 -0600 Received: from gans.cwi.nl by charon.cwi.nl with SMTP id AA19458 (5.65b/3.8/CWI-Amsterdam); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 15:01:47 +0100 Received: by gans.cwi.nl with SMTP id AA10730 (5.65b/3.5/CWI-Amsterdam); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 15:01:47 +0100 Subject: kraftwerk samples and covers Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1993 15:01:46 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Peter de Waal Hi, I have this fancy mail indication program, that plays samples when mail arrives, using different samples depending on who the mail is from. I would love to have a small Kraftwerk sample to indicate the arrival of new mail from the Kraftwerk mailing list. Does anybody have one? Speaking about covers: Does "Trouble Funk Express" by Trouble Funk count? It uses the opening chord sequence of TEE. --- Peter de Waal, CWI, Amsterdam --- From kraftwerk-request Tue Feb 2 09:53:26 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26399 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 08:58:55 -0600 Message-Id: <199302021458.AA26399@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26375 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 08:58:26 -0600 Received: from HASARA11.BITNET by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 2 Feb 93 15:58 MET Received: from HASARA11 (SSCPRICK) by HASARA11.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 4052; Tue, 02 Feb 93 15:51:03 CET Date: Tue, 02 Feb 93 15:49:52 CET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: SARA - Amsterdam Universities Computer Center Subject: Re: Kraftwerk equipment In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 2 Feb 93 10:47:00 MET Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen On Tue, 2 Feb 93 10:47:00 MET you said: >Really-From: dvlawm@cs.umu.se > >During their UK-tour, last summer, I definetly saw that they had a couple >of Akai S-1100's and at least one Midi-Moog... > >Does anyone know what sequencer they used? From what I saw it was something >on a pc. I believe a Synclavier indeed does have a screen. Yes, I'm pretty sure even. ;-) -Rick. -- rick@sara.nl "With electronics more music, and not the other way around" -Jiri Klasek From kraftwerk-request Tue Feb 2 07:19:06 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18139 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 13:20:23 -0600 Message-Id: <199302021920.AA18139@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18113 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 13:19:54 -0600 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA14615; Tue, 2 Feb 93 13:19:07 CST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Musicomix poster with Ralf&Florian Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 13:19:06 CST In-Reply-To: <199302021227.AA19348@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Feb 2, 93 12:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: O Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) > > The musicomix is a poster with colour drawings made by Emil Schult. > They are in a pop-arty style, with a picture for each song on > Ralf&Florian, and some other loose bits. I guess it is a bit of an > in-crowd thing, incomprehensible to other people. For example there > is a line (in German) "This sounded like this on the old equipment". > Nowhere is explained anything about 'new' or 'old' equipment. > There are also some vague drawings of string and wind instruments > hooked up to amplifiers with wires. In those days Kraftwerk made Hmm...this sounds like it'd be something which would be really of great help in examining how Kraftwerk did what they did on the old albums. Wonder if anyone on the list has access to this poster, and a _scanner_. GIFs, anyone? D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) > > From kraftwerk-request Tue Feb 2 16:01:18 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA28151 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 15:15:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199302022115.AA28151@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA28113 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 15:15:02 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GU92WOT8HC9AMG83@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 2 Feb 1993 16:01:18 GMT+0100 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 16:01:18 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Elektric Music CD Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia I've just got the ELEKTRIC MUSIC "crosstalk" CD. Lutz posted a review some time ago. Here's mine. It has 3 tracks: Crosstalk Intercomix Baby come back and comes in a trifold digipack. > Cover Art: Emil Schult. (The cover quite remembers > me of the "Autobahn" one) That's right Lutz. No sooner I've seen the front sleeve I've thought "that reminds me of Autobahn a lot", although didn't remember your opinion about it. It's a picture of Bartos and (I guess) Manteuffel, with a blue sky in the background. When you open the digipack turning over the front sleeve, you see a drawing of an impressive _electricity pylon_ (hope this expression is OK, I've looked it up in my dictionary), seen from the ground. When I've seen this, I've had the strong feeling that this tower was familiar to me. I've had a look at the Autobahn cover, and there you are an _electricity pylon_ on the left side in the distance. Now the music. I've just listened to it once, almost twice. From this first impression, I think the disc is worth getting just for the track "Intercomix". It's the most Kraftwerk-ish of all, because it only has synthetic voice. It has a good rythm and some sounds are familiar to me. > The style is quite a mixture of "Electric Cafe", > "Radio Activity" and a pretty big amount of own style. I agree with you Lutz. I'd say is very "Electric Cafe" with some sounds which I think are in "Radio Activity". The first track is good too, but don't like the human voice, kinda rapper. Fortunately, it has not many human voice lines. The third track sounds as if done for fun, but I personally don't like it. It's the kind of music you would find in a disco (I hate this kind of music). The sound of the disc is great. I'd say it's very promising, especially for the track "Intercomix". Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 3 00:04:30 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA02368 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 16:05:01 -0600 Message-Id: <199302022205.AA02368@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sunic.sunet.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA02338 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 16:04:44 -0600 Received: from Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8/1.28) id AA14190; Tue, 2 Feb 1993 23:04:31 +0100 Received: by Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/630, SunOS 4.1.2) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA06343; Tue, 2 Feb 93 23:04:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 23:04:30 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request In-Reply-To: kraftwerk mailing list's message of Tue, 02 Feb 1993 15:01:46 +0100 <199302021402.AA23008@cs.uwp.edu> Subject: kraftwerk samples and covers Status: O Really-From: Mikael Lundgren Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1993 15:01:46 +0100 From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Really-From: Peter de Waal Speaking about covers: Does "Trouble Funk Express" by Trouble Funk count? It uses the opening chord sequence of TEE. --- Peter de Waal, CWI, Amsterdam --- Not to mention 'Planet Rock' by Africa Bambaataa. (The song which made hip hop take off), a full-fledged rip-off of TEE. The song also serves as a good example of what the TR-808 sounds like BTW... () University of Uppsala ,Sweden | Mikael (Vick) Lundgren ____ () () Department of Computer Systems | vick@bern.docs.uu.se /.. \/| () () Remember:Four bananas always add up to a plectrum. (----) | )) () () Neither more nor less and definitely not the other way around.\____/\| () From kraftwerk-request Tue Feb 2 16:29:12 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22506 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 20:29:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199302030229.AA22506@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22480 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 20:29:33 -0600 Received: from rac1.wam.umd.edu by pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu with SMTP id AA15513 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 21:29:18 -0500 Received: by rac1.wam.umd.edu id AA25830 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Tue, 2 Feb 1993 21:29:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 21:29:12 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Live Kraftwerk Status: O Really-From: Tina Marie LeMarier Are any of these Live discs legal? Plus in terms of covers, Aafrica Bambata(sic) used TEE as the backdrop to "Planet Rock". Not just the odd odd sample here and there that almost all electronic music has. I'm willing to bet that Kraftwerk is the most sampled group ever. Even more that James Brown. Oh yah, another time I've heard a K song was on 2 Live Crew's "Dick Almighty" Basically rapping over "Man Machine". Truly not worth the vinyl that it was pressed on. Shane King From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 3 11:37:02 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA17819 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 3 Feb 1993 04:37:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199302031037.AA17819@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA17803 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 3 Feb 1993 04:37:23 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GUA7UXR3CW934T6N@cc.uab.es>; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:37:02 GMT+0100 Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:37:02 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Live Kraftwerk Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > > Really-From: Tina Marie LeMarier > > Are any of these Live discs legal? There are no legal KW live recordings, and I doubt there will ever be... If you still want a live recording, the best ones I've heard are: rebuilt in 91, vols. 1 and 2 (live Dusseldorf) numbers (live 81) Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 3 11:49:27 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AB00391 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:27:24 -0600 Message-Id: <199302031727.AB00391@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from urmel.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA00342 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:26:34 -0600 Received: from messua (messua.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/urmel-MX.45) id AA17806; Wed, 3 Feb 93 18:25:55 +0100 Received: by messua (4.1/POOL.3) id AA19161; Wed, 3 Feb 93 18:26:06 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Heute Abend Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 18:26:04 MET In-Reply-To: <199302011726.AA22137@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Feb 1, 93 6:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL10] Status: O Really-From: lupo@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de > > Really-From: Al Crawford > > > > Can anyone out there confirm for me exactly what the contents of the _Haut > > Abende_ (apologies to any of a Germanic disposition if I've done something > > ghastly to the spelling there) live double CD are? > > Yes, it contains songs from two UK concerts (don't remember which ones now!) > It also has a couple of songs from a soundcheck. Very funny: > > I saw her on the cover of a magazine > Now she's a big success, I want to f**k her again > > Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es > This is an answer to Al Crawford's "Heute Abend" bootleg query. I am sorry, but I am a bit in a hurry, because I am doing quite a lot assignments these days ("Klausuren"). "Heute Abend" Kraftwerk 2CD Set, Deep Records CD 1 CD 2 1. Intro The robots 2. Numbers Robotronik 3. Computer world Pocket Calculator 4. Homecomputer Music Non Stop 5. Computer love The model 6. The model Pocket Calculator 7. Tour de France Numbers 8. Autobahn Comuputer Welt 9. Radioactivity Autobahn 11. TEE 12. Abzug 13. Metal on Metal CD 1: 1-3 London 910720 4-7 Sheffield 910716 8-13 Birmingham 910715 CD 2: 1-3 Sheffield 910716 4-6 Edinburgh, Playhouse Theatre (5-6 are from the Soundcheck) 910716 7-9 Grassina, Casa Del Popolo (Spain??) 900209 "Heute Abend" just means "This evening". The CD is quite expensive (54DM) and very hard to get. I got a spare copy. If anybody is interested, please e-mail me. I have to warn you though: the quality is not at it's best. Great noise from the audience. (All that English guys shouting "Autobahn" and "Ralf" and "Kraftwerk" :) I think the most interesting tracks are "Intro" (very athmospheric, I've been at the concert) and Tour de France. I just feel sorry for the non-europeans for missing the tour. Regards, -- Lutz Al Crawford: There will be a festival in Essen, Germany on April 11th (Sun) featuring DIE KRUPPS and Einstuerzende Neubauten, and more... Interested ? E-Mail me..... ;) From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 3 08:58:01 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA09206 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 3 Feb 1993 13:00:21 -0600 Message-Id: <199302031900.AA09206@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from bsu-cs.bsu.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA09130 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 3 Feb 1993 13:00:04 -0600 Received: by bsu-cs.bsu.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA06146; Wed, 3 Feb 93 13:58:01 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Heute Abend Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 13:58:01 EST In-Reply-To: <199302031727.AB00391@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Feb 3, 93 6:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) (Sorry, but....) Lutz- Am I to assume you arer SELLING a copy of "Heute Abend," or you are making it available for taping??? Just asking... (PS Festival w/ Neubauten?!?! AARRGGH!) --- WE@SEL front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu 00GDWESSEL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU "You're so close, but far away.....I call you up all night and day....." From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 3 09:01:04 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA09448 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 3 Feb 1993 13:03:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199302031903.AA09448@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from bsu-cs.bsu.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA09433 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 3 Feb 1993 13:03:04 -0600 Received: by bsu-cs.bsu.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA06339; Wed, 3 Feb 93 14:01:05 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: ELECTRIC CAFE ?s Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 14:01:04 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) Just wondering a few things about ELECTRIC CAFE: 1) WHy did their voices suddenly go from tenor to baritone? Was there a "guest vocalist" on this album???? 2) Did they use a real bass on "Sex Object"? That's all for now...... --- WE@SEL front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu 00GDWESSEL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU BOING BOOM TSCHAK From kraftwerk-request Thu Feb 4 05:04:15 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06129 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 4 Feb 1993 03:52:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199302040952.AA06129@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from urmel.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06070 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 4 Feb 1993 03:51:56 -0600 Received: from maroren.informatik.rwth-aachen.de by urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/urmel-MX.45) id AA06154; Thu, 4 Feb 93 10:51:20 +0100 Received: by maroren.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (16.8/POOL.1) id AA16012; Thu, 4 Feb 93 10:51:02 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Heute Abend Date: Thu, 4 Feb 93 10:51:01 MEZ In-Reply-To: <199302031900.AA09206@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Feb 3, 93 1:58 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.30] Status: O Really-From: lupo@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de > > Really-From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) > > Am I to assume you arer SELLING a copy of "Heute Abend," or you are > making it available for taping??? > > Just asking... Well, I am selling the CD. I am NOT a taping daemon so.. if anybody wants a recording, just think about what you can do for me ;) > > (PS Festival w/ Neubauten?!?! AARRGGH!) Flame ?? > > --- WE@SEL > > front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu > 00GDWESSEL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU > > "You're so close, but far away.....I call you up all night and day....." > -- Lutz From kraftwerk-request Thu Feb 4 06:17:08 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA15139 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 4 Feb 1993 10:19:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199302041619.AA15139@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from bsu-cs.bsu.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA15127 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 4 Feb 1993 10:19:17 -0600 Received: by bsu-cs.bsu.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA16989; Thu, 4 Feb 93 11:17:11 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Heute Abend Date: Thu, 4 Feb 93 11:17:08 EST In-Reply-To: <199302040952.AA06129@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Feb 4, 93 10:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) > > Really-From: lupo@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de > > > > > Really-From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) > > > > Am I to assume you arer SELLING a copy of "Heute Abend," or you are > > making it available for taping??? > > > > Just asking... > > Well, I am selling the CD. I am NOT a taping daemon so.. if anybody > wants a recording, just think about what you can do for me ;) Example????? (ps how much are you selling it for?) > > > > > > (PS Festival w/ Neubauten?!?! AARRGGH!) > > Flame ?? Not at all! I just wanna see them ONCE before i die! *sigh* Oh well..... > > > > -- Lutz > > > -- --- WE@SEL front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu 00GDWESSEL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU "They just want.......BIG MONEY!" -- BIG BLACK From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 5 05:09:51 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA23563 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 5 Feb 1993 04:33:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199302051033.AA23563@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax2.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA23545 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 5 Feb 1993 04:33:13 -0600 Received: from HASARA11.BITNET by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 5 Feb 93 11:33 MET Received: from HASARA11 (SSCPRICK) by HASARA11.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 5082; Fri, 05 Feb 93 11:21:04 CET Date: Fri, 05 Feb 93 11:20:33 CET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: SARA - Amsterdam Universities Computer Center Subject: Elektric Music (and Kraftwerk) Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen I just got my copy of Elektric Music's Crosstalk. I'm disappointed really, for me this is nothing new or even good. In fact, if Elektric Music will listen to a record called Futurist by a band 'Roboterwerke' (RCA PL 28475, released 1981 in Germany) they'll probably feel ashamed because of the great similarity. The only thing I like about it is the cover really. Lutz Bauer, lupo@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de said: > There are MANY old Kraftwerk instruments/samples > in it. Voice is almost Computer-Voice only > (Like the one you know from Kraftwerk "The Mix"). > I wonder if Bartos has all the Copyright for all > that Kraftwerk stuff. Um, I disagree :) The computer voice on Crosstalk is a very simple one, as opposed to Kraftwerk's elektro-voices. My guess is that Elektric Music only used a vocoder. I have the feeling quite a lot of the sounds were made with analog gear. I can shed a bit of light though on the people involved and Bartos' musical history. In 1970 Karl Bartos and Bodo Staiger started an experimental-jazz-rock band 'Sinus'. I don't know how long Sinus existed, or if they ever released anything. Lothar Manteuffel and Bodo Staiger in 1980 started 'Rheingold', which scored a hit with their 'Dreiklangsdimensionen' album. Manteuffel came from the 'literary scene', and had no experience with musicians before. In 1975 Bartos joined Kraftwerk, which he and Flur left sometime after Electric Cafe (1986). On the cover of Crosstalk: 'Crosstalking to Doreen D'Agostino, Wolfgang Flur, Andy McCluskey and Manfred Schutz'. Doreen D'Agostino is listed in the credits of Computer World, Flur and McCluskey we know, who Schutz is I dunno. On Kraftwerk Lutz said: > As the most of you might know: Kraftwerk is now > only Florian Schneider and Ralf Huetter. The third band member is Fritz Hilpert. Live, a 4th member was present: Fernando Abrantes. For the concerts here in Holland and later in Manchester he was replaced by someone else again, whose name and model I don't know. Hilpert is a software engineer. -Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl "With electronics more music, and not the other way around" -Jiri Klasek From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 5 13:27:52 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA19448 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 5 Feb 1993 06:28:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199302051228.AA19448@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA19433 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 5 Feb 1993 06:28:09 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GUD455GMNK9BVEF2@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 13:27:52 GMT+0100 Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 13:27:52 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Elektric Music (and Kraftwerk) Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: Rick Jansen > > I just got my copy of Elektric Music's Crosstalk. I'm > disappointed really, for me this is nothing new or even > good. In fact, if Elektric Music will listen to a record > called Futurist by a band 'Roboterwerke' (RCA PL 28475, > released 1981 in Germany) they'll probably feel ashamed > because of the great similarity. The only thing I like > about it is the cover really. Well, for me is new. As for not being good, I at least disagree on the track "Intercomix". IMO is a good track. At least I have some new electric music to hear, after 7 years. Anyway, three tracks, and they are *short* tracks by the way, is not enough to know wether ELEKTRIC MUSIC has something to say or not. Some rumours say KW are working on new tracks. If this is true I hope we don't have to wait 3 years to hear them. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es "La mu'sica ideas portara' y siempre continuara' Sonido electro'nico Decibel sinte'tico" -Electric Cafe- From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 5 07:50:30 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20921 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 5 Feb 1993 07:12:26 -0600 Message-Id: <199302051312.AA20921@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax2.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20852 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 5 Feb 1993 07:11:39 -0600 Received: from HASARA11.BITNET by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 5 Feb 93 14:11 MET Received: from HASARA11 (SSCPRICK) by HASARA11.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 5546; Fri, 05 Feb 93 14:10:47 CET Date: Fri, 05 Feb 93 14:05:14 CET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: SARA - Amsterdam Universities Computer Center Subject: Kraftwerk videos Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen To my knowledge Kraftwerk have made films/videos of their music from Autobahn on. Hutter in an interview years ago said that they have material ready for a video disc, as soon as they would be available. So far however, nothing has ever been released for sale in shops, as far as I know. Of course Kraftwerk's music is highly 'visual'. Funny thing is that most of their videos are black and white in a sort of 50's style, depicting ancient things like steam locomotives. I guess if you would try to film something 'futuristic' it'd be out of date or silly very soon, which their videos are not. This is a list of videos I know exist/have seen, in a sort of telegraph style. Of course I'd be happy with additions! -Rick Jansen Autobahn (Never seen it.) Showroom Dummies Shows the Kraftwerkers doing weird mechanical dance poses, interchanged with images of a 'painters puppet' in several poses. (You know those small wooden dolls with joints and limbs in the right proportions.) Trans Europe Express B/W film of steam locomotives, and railroad tracks that were filmed with a camera mounted on the front of a train I guess. There are brief images of Kraftwerk waiting for the train on Dusseldorf Hauptbahnhof, Kraftwerk sitting in a train coupe, smoking. On the appropriate moment the Champs Elyssees is seen, with two hands joining for the 'rendez- vous', later Iggy Pop and David Bowie are in view, followed by Vienna's 'Riesenrad' (the giant wheel). Images of the real Zeppelin train, n real experimental train propelled by a propellor, somewhere in the 30's. The film ends with a Maerklin Zeppelin train model running through a tunnel made of tin cans into a Metropolis like model city. The end is the KlingKlang logo, an Earth globe with the line 'KlingKlang Musikfilm'. Many of the images here are used live on the video screens. The Robots Promotion video for The Man Machine, in colour. Shows the Kraftwerkers standing motionless in a red/white/black decor with just some hints of equipment. Only thing moving is their lips. Images of the 'dummies' with a running counter. Shirt and ties with a row of leds. (These ties they wore during the Manchester G-Mex gig again.) Schneider and Bartos operating a tape machine and a big stopwatch. Each Kraftwerker subsequently moving away from their personal dummy. (This last bit isn't done very well, as the actual Kraftwerker is moved, and you can see their eyes move along. If they'd moved the camera or the dummies they could have held their gaze fixed somewehere. Oh well.) The Model The first Model video shows a 50's fashion show, in black and white. Photographers with ancient flashbulb cameras shooting the arrival of some model/actress. The same images are used in the later video, and live. Ends with a cover of a magazine (how did you guess?) called 'Elegante Welt' (Elegant World). No sight of the band members themselves. The Model This video was made in 1981, when the Model became a hit in England after their live tour back then. Basically the same film as the previous one, but added are some glimpses of Kraftwerk behind the consoles of KlingKlang. This video only has a few frames per second, thus making the movement rather mechanical. 'Conveyor belt gymnastics' as Hutter referred to it. Tour de France Black/white images of a 50's Tour de France. No Kraftwerkers in sight. The same film is shown live. Musique Non Stop Blue/white (:)) computer generated images, as seen on the cover of Electric Cafe, rotating and lips and face computer-animated to say 'Boing', 'Boom' and 'Tschak' and 'Music Non Stop'. Note that the lips read 'musIC non stop', and not 'musIQUE'. This video was made in the US, I guess thats why, or they decided to do it french-like when the video was already done. A wire frame model of KlingKlang studio with wire frame modelled 'people'. Images of a mixer which dissolves into tumbling music notes and things. (This piece is still used on MTV a few times every day, in a leader of Paul King's program, the name of which eludes me now.) Ends with nicely raytraced-like images. Very impressive video still. The Telephone Call Black and white. Starts with a black-leather gloved hand playing a small model piano, which turns out to be a telephone which Hutter picks up. Telephone operatoress operating an ancient switchboard. Again 50's imagery. Nice old telephone. Images of each Kraftwerker in turn holding the receiver. Sequence of a leathered hand looking up a number in a phone book. Images of Hutter and Schneider behind an ancient home tape recorder. Ends with Bartos typing on an ancient (again) typewriter "You're so close, but far away". The Robots The The Mix version of The Robots with their 'modern' moving robots doing their mechanical ballet. Again black and white. Simple, but very nice! -Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl "With electronics more music, and not the other way around" -Jiri Klasek From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 5 15:39:24 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA25032 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 5 Feb 1993 08:40:36 -0600 Message-Id: <199302051440.AA25032@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA24987 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 5 Feb 1993 08:39:56 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GUD8VU9RB49BVF0E@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 15:39:25 GMT+0100 Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 15:39:24 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Kraftwerk videos Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: Rick Jansen > > To my knowledge Kraftwerk have made films/videos of their > music from Autobahn on. Hutter in an interview years ago > said that they have material ready for a video disc, as > soon as they would be available. So far however, nothing > has ever been released for sale in shops, as far as I know. There was a man who was doing a film on KW, but unfortunately he died before finishing the project. No one knows if this will ever see the light. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es "La mu'sica ideas portara' y siempre continuara' sonido electro'nico decibel sinte'tico" -Electric Cafe- From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 5 07:21:21 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA17671 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 5 Feb 1993 13:22:28 -0600 Message-Id: <199302051922.AA17671@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA17641 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 5 Feb 1993 13:22:14 -0600 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA06396; Fri, 5 Feb 93 13:21:22 CST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Kraftwerk videos Date: Fri, 5 Feb 93 13:21:21 CST In-Reply-To: <199302051312.AA20921@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Feb 5, 93 2:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: O Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) > > Really-From: Rick Jansen > > > To my knowledge Kraftwerk have made films/videos of their > music from Autobahn on. Hutter in an interview years ago > said that they have material ready for a video disc, as > soon as they would be available. So far however, nothing > has ever been released for sale in shops, as far as I know. > Of course Kraftwerk's music is highly 'visual'. > > Funny thing is that most of their videos are black and > white in a sort of 50's style, depicting ancient things > like steam locomotives. I guess if you would try to film > something 'futuristic' it'd be out of date or silly very > soon, which their videos are not. > > Autobahn > (Never seen it.) Very different from the other films is the animated film "Autobahn". I'm not too sure if this is an "official Klingklang" project, but there is a full-length animated video for this work. It's quite futuristic, and in some points rather abstract in its imagery. Kraftwerk appear nowhere in it, if I remember correctly, but there is an abundance of imagery from the song used in the course of the video. A real find, if you can turn it up, as this has aired some years ago on some cable channels (I think "Night Flight" on USA Network) may have shown it back in the mid-80's, if I remember right). D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 5 05:56:54 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00941 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 5 Feb 1993 16:04:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199302052204.AA00941@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA00259 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 5 Feb 1993 15:57:04 -0600 Received: by june.cs.washington.edu (5.65b/7.1ju) id AA07761; Fri, 5 Feb 93 13:56:54 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Feb 93 13:56:54 -0800 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Return-Path: X-Old-Cc: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu In-Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu's message of Fri, 5 Feb 93 04:00:11 CST <199302051000.AA22656@cs.uwp.edu> Subject: Kraftwerk videos Status: O Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) What Kraftwerk videos exist? This is all I've seen: The Model - found black-and-white footage of fashion shows from the sixties; and I believe there is also footage of Kraftwerk performing which resembles the photos on the sleeve of "Computer World". something from Electric Cafe - I only saw about 30 seconds of this a few years ago. Can't remember which song. It had computer animation. I remember white stick-figures like on the sleeve of the album. I don't remember any full-color animation like the heads on the front, though. Richard From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 8 10:47:48 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA03771 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 8 Feb 1993 02:48:26 -0600 Message-Id: <199302080848.AA03771@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from efd.lth.se (oddput.efd.lth.se) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA03758 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 8 Feb 1993 02:48:09 -0600 Received: from hacke-2.efd.lth.se by efd.lth.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0nLU9n-0002UvC; Mon, 8 Feb 93 09:47 MET Received: by hacke-2.efd.lth.se (Smail3.1.26.7 #1) id m0nLU9g-000Jz6C; Mon, 8 Feb 93 09:47 MET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 09:47:48 +0100 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk videos Status: O Really-From: d90gl@efd.lth.se (/usr/spool/mail/d90gl) I think I've seen a video of Neonlights as well. I don't remember much of it but what I seem to recall that there was a background with neonsigns and other logos for example Mercedes. Over this were images of the Kraftwerkers. Gustaf From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 8 07:02:08 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA29166 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 8 Feb 1993 13:06:06 -0600 Message-Id: <199302081906.AA29166@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cs.uchicago.edu (gargoyle.uchicago.edu) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA29117 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 8 Feb 1993 13:05:37 -0600 Received: by cs.uchicago.edu from csnext.uchicago.edu (athens.uchicago.edu) (4.1/2.0) id AA21615; Mon, 8 Feb 93 13:05:23 CST Received: from sparta.uchicago.edu by (NX5.67c/NX3.0M) id AA03652; Mon, 8 Feb 93 13:02:11 -0600 Received: by sparta.uchicago.edu (NX5.67c/NX3.0X) id AA02085; Mon, 8 Feb 93 13:02:10 -0600 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 13:02:08 CST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Video for "Pocket Calculator" Status: O Really-From: Seth Tisue No one has yet mentioned in their lists the video to "Pocket Calculator", which I recall seeing on MTV's _120 Minutes_ about four years ago (labeled a "Cult Classic"). Kraftwerk jerk around robotically on stage, playing some sort of keyboard- or console- type instruments and punching buttons on little keypads, all in front of a dancing audience. (That's what I remember, there may be other types of footage in the video.) == Seth Tisue (s-tisue@uchicago.edu) "Please to be restful. It is only a few crazies who have from the crazy place outbroken." From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 10 08:36:53 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18563 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 02:37:13 -0600 Message-Id: <199302100837.AA18563@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from chalmers.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18551 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 02:37:08 -0600 Received: from quarl0.etek.chalmers.se by chalmers.se (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA27301; Wed, 10 Feb 93 09:37:03 +0100 Received: by quarl0.etek.chalmers.se id AA21209; Wed, 10 Feb 93 09:37:02 +0100 Received: from localhost by quarl14.etek.chalmers.se id AA03716; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 09:36:57 +0100 Subject: What's a Vocoder??? Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 09:36:53 -0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Mts: smtp Status: O Really-From: jorbor@etek.chalmers.se Can anyone fill me in on the vocoder? I've figured out that it's used to change voice patterns in some way, but how? Technical answers are welcome and, if it's possible to build one yourself, a circuit layout (or where to find one). Thanx, Jorgen Borjesson E-mail: jorbor@etek.chalmers.se "Music is organized noise" Ralf Huetter From kraftwerk-request Tue Feb 9 10:14:04 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22737 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 03:32:38 -0600 Message-Id: <199302100932.AA22737@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22711 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 03:32:20 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GUIIMDCTZK9BVN4B@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 9 Feb 1993 10:14:04 GMT+0100 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 10:14:04 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: La Musica Ideas Portara Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia / >"La mu'sica ideas portara' y siempre continuara' / >Sonido electro'nico / >Decibel sinte'tico" -Electric Cafe- / / How would you translate "la mu'sica ideas portara'"? I know a bit of / Spanish but I can't make sense of this. / / Thanks! / / Richard This piece of lyric is from the song "Musique non stop". It means sth. like: The music will bring (new) ideas Electronic sound Synthetic dB "Mu'sica electro'nica Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es Figura ri'tmica Arte, poli'tica De la era ato'mica" 'Electric Cafe' From kraftwerk-request Tue Feb 9 10:27:24 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22774 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 03:33:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199302100933.AA22774@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22740 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 03:32:44 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GUIJ34YMCW9BVMY2@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 9 Feb 1993 10:27:24 GMT+0100 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 10:27:24 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: ELECTRIC CAFE ?s Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Answering a post from a few days, > Really-From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) > > Just wondering a few things about ELECTRIC CAFE: > > 1) WHy did their voices suddenly go from tenor to baritone? Was there a > "guest vocalist" on this album???? > > 2) Did they use a real bass on "Sex Object"? To me the bass in "Sex Object" sounds like a real bass guitar. Good solo in the middle of the song. I think I hear a bass guitar in Tour de France too. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es "Soy el operador de mi pequen~o calculador" -Pocket calculator live in Spain- From kraftwerk-request Tue Feb 9 21:10:00 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20654 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 03:10:54 -0600 Message-Id: <199302100910.AA20654@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20631 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 03:10:48 -0600 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA21085; Wed, 10 Feb 93 03:10:02 CST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: What's a Vocoder??? Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 3:10:00 CST In-Reply-To: <199302100837.AA18563@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Feb 10, 93 9:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: O Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) > > Really-From: jorbor@etek.chalmers.se > > > Can anyone fill me in on the vocoder? Well, there's two types of vocoders...one is the device used in communications. This machine encodes inputted sonic patterns with tones, and creates a multiplexed communications link. It's not something you'd use in music, per se, but Alvin Lucier did use a Sylvania Digital Vocoder in his "choral" piece "North American Time Capsule 1967". But the one we associate with Kraftwerk, and which gives us the "robot speech", should really be termed a "spectrum follower"which is the term Wendy Carlos used for it when she first rigged one up with some new modules fabricated by Bob Moog. The first "vocoder" vocal released can be found on her "Walter Carlos' (yeah, she was a he once, for those of you who don't know that) Clockwork Orange" on the version of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, mvt. 4. Now, what this device is is really a complex filter bank which is modulated by an input signal, the envelope and spectrum of which is tracked by some envelope followers which convert the incoming "control" signal into the necessary voltages to control the segments of the filter bank. The envelope followers, in a _good_ vocoder, are also designed to track specific segments of the incoming "control" spectra. Then, what you do is feed _any_signal_ through this filter bank as the "carrier" signal, such as a synth tone, or a guitar (Peter Frampton's vox-tube is a very primitive vocoder-type device, working on acoustic principles, not electronic), or really just about anything else. The end result is the carrier modulated by the control on the filter bank, which shapes the carrier into the spectral forms that the control provides. I would assume that the Sennheiser device that Kraftwerk uses uses this principle. Later vocoders use single-band following, which really isn't as effective or nice-sounding. The difference can be heard between something like, say, mid-period Kraftwerk and Atlantic Starr's works from the early 80's, which used the later devices. As of nowadays, I know of no multi-band vocoders being made which can be gotten easily, which is sad. They really are very versatile processing devices, and well worth hunting down if you're super-serious about doing processed vocals. > Ralf Huetter D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) > From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 10 12:27:41 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA25817 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 04:28:01 -0600 Message-Id: <199302101028.AA25817@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA25794 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 04:27:51 -0600 Received: by dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (4.1/1.34JP) id AA21814; Wed, 10 Feb 93 11:27:41 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 11:27:41 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: What's a Vocoder??? Status: O Really-From: linstee@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Erik van Linstee) From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 10 05:12:17 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA24899 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 04:10:50 -0600 Message-Id: <199302101010.AA24899@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax2.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA24887 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 04:10:42 -0600 Received: from HASARA11.BITNET by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 10 Feb 93 11:11 MET Received: from HASARA11 (SSCPRICK) by HASARA11.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 9231; Wed, 10 Feb 93 11:10:15 CET Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 11:02:48 CET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: SARA - Amsterdam Universities Computer Center Subject: Re: What's a Vocoder??? In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 10 Feb 93 09:36:53 -0100 Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen A vocoder (voice coder) is a thing consisting of a number of filters analyzing a (speech) signal. The resulting 'spectrum' is transferred onto another (music) signal, thus resulting in sort of a talking instrument. The more filters in a vocoder the better the analysis is, and the more expensive the vocoder will be. I don't know if any company still produces real vocoders. Sennheiser did. A Dutch company Synton did, Korg had a vocoder instrument. These days some synthesizers have a built-in vocoder algorithm that sort of produces a vocoder effect. If you want to build one yourself: Elektor published a vocoder some 10 years ago that was designed in cooperation with Synton. (I might build it some day :-) A vocoder is a difficult 'instrument' by the way, and as far as I understand very hard to use live. The noise of the audience totally upsets a vocoder. -Rick Jansen. -- rick@sara.nl "She's a Module and she's looking good" From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 10 12:33:55 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26201 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 04:34:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199302101034.AA26201@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26179 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 04:34:09 -0600 Received: by dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (4.1/1.34JP) id AA21848; Wed, 10 Feb 93 11:33:55 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 11:33:55 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: What's a Vocoder??? Status: O Really-From: linstee@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Erik van Linstee) Sorry about the previous message. Here's what I meant to say. A vocoder is an instrument that modulates one sound on another. An incoming sound is broken up in frequency bands and the volume of each (the envelope) is taken to control the sound of another input signal. Well, in big lines anyway. You can take, fi, a simple synth sound and a human voice and create a computer voice, like the Cylons in Battlestar Galactica, or those used by Earth, Wind and fire. Erik From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 10 18:03:08 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA13958 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 11:04:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199302101704.AA13958@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA13924 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 11:03:34 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GUKDC1KMW09D4EZM@cc.uab.es>; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 18:03:08 GMT+0100 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 18:03:08 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Kraftwerk videos Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia I've seen in a catalogue some videos which were not mentioned. Unfortunately I don't have any of them :-( There is one for NUMBERS. There are also German versions of some of the videos mentioned: Die Roboter, Das Model, Neonlichts, Taschenrechner. By the way. Why I'm not receiving any mail from the list, not even the ones I posted a few days???? Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es "La mu'sica ideas portara' y siempre continuara' Sonido electro'nico Decibel sinte'tico" 'Musique non stop' From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 10 14:50:42 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00240 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 14:18:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199302102018.AA00240@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sunic.sunet.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA00227 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 14:18:08 -0600 Received: from ume.cs.umu.se by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8/1.28) id AA00612; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 21:18:00 +0100 Received: from carlshem.cs.umu.se by ume.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA01619; Wed, 10 Feb 93 21:17:59 +0100, auth dvlawm X-Auth-From: dvlawm Received: by carlshem.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA29228; Wed, 10 Feb 93 21:17:56 +0100 Return-Path: From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: What's a Vocoder??? Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 21:17:51 MET In-Reply-To: <199302101010.AA24899@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Feb 10, 93 11:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: dvlawm@cs.umu.se > > I don't know if any company still produces real vocoders. > Sennheiser did. A Dutch company Synton did, Korg had a > vocoder instrument. These days some synthesizers have a > built-in vocoder algorithm that sort of produces a vocoder > effect. > Don't forget the best vocoder ever made, the Roland VP-30, sounds just like the Trans Europe Express vocoder voices, and it also has got two synth sounds, one is a choir-sound which sounds just like the Radio-activity AHHH-s... And the second sound is a string-sound which also sounds like a Kraftwerk sound -> the strings on T.E.E. /anders -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * trafo@unitech.se * feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 10 12:17:49 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA10077 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 16:18:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199302102218.AA10077@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA10048 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 16:18:06 -0600 Received: from rac1.wam.umd.edu by pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu with SMTP id AA28912 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 17:18:00 -0500 Received: by rac1.wam.umd.edu id AA09820 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Wed, 10 Feb 1993 17:17:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 17:17:49 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #19 Status: O Really-From: Tina Marie LeMarier A vocoder is a device that uses the output of one noise maker to modulate another noise maker. For instance, the way that you get the Kraftwerky sound in Computer World is to use a vocoder( on the actual phrase "Computer World). Lets call the output from a microphone line A, and the output from a synth line B. By connecting both line to the vocoder we can use on e to modulate the other. If I were to now play a note on the synth, it would not make a sound until I say something into the mike. The vocoder acts sort of like a gate for the synth sound, opening the gate only when there is a signal present on the microphone. So when I speak into the mike it will shape the sound coming from the synth. Technically what the vocoder does is divide the signal coming from the microphone in to X number of frequency portions. Then each portion is changed to correspond with the signal input from the synth. The pitch of the sound is determined by the notes played on synth. If I were to play a chord into the synth, the notes sung would be that chord. If I were to use a harsh sound that didn't change in pitch it would sound different than a nice mellow sound used to carry a melodie. I hope that this hasn't been terribly confusing. Alot of science fiction uses vocoders to get the robot voice. An important thing to note is that there is a difference between a vocoder and a speech synthesizer. A speech synth actually creates the voice sound. The difference is shown in the song Computer World. The melodic voice is vocoded but the speech voice is a speech synth.( buisness...numbers...money...people) There are many plans available for the devices. The earliest vocoders were actually made in the 1930's I believe. For the record, one doesn't have to use a voice and a synth. any sound can be used to modulate another, with interesting results I might add. But the most common use is with a voice and synth. I hope that this is relatively clear, just because I understand it doesn't mean I can explain it. I'm the operator with my pocket calculator! Shane From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 15 18:00:25 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA23386 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 15 Feb 1993 11:05:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199302151705.AA23386@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22864 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 15 Feb 1993 11:01:02 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GURCK6V3GW9D4RLX@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 15 Feb 1993 18:00:25 GMT+0100 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 18:00:25 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: live recordings Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Last Saturday I got a live KW CD in Barcelona, from the '91 tour: "N1 TO ZURICH" Nummer (sorry for the spelling mistakes! :-) Computerwelt Homecomputer Computerliebe Das Model Tour de France Autobahn Radioaktivitat Trans Europa Express total time: 66'48'' The first song misses the introduction, and at first it doesn't sound good, but after half a minute, the sound is really great!!! Maybe even better than _rebuilt in 91_. I fully recommend it. The sleeve is very bad. A drawing with the shape of some industries... I don't know if it is an audience recording or a soundboard tape, cos when I attended the KW gig in Barcelona, the sound was extremely clear, and not too loud :-) Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 15 18:00:25 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA24041 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 15 Feb 1993 11:13:12 -0600 Message-Id: <199302151713.AA24041@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA23968 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 15 Feb 1993 11:12:25 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GURCK6V3GW9D4RLX@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 15 Feb 1993 18:00:25 GMT+0100 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 18:00:25 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: live recordings Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Last Saturday I got a live KW CD in Barcelona, from the '91 tour: "N1 TO ZURICH" Nummer (sorry for the spelling mistakes! :-) Computerwelt Homecomputer Computerliebe Das Model Tour de France Autobahn Radioaktivitat Trans Europa Express total time: 66'48'' The first song misses the introduction, and at first it doesn't sound good, but after half a minute, the sound is really great!!! Maybe even better than _rebuilt in 91_. I fully recommend it. The sleeve is very bad. A drawing with the shape of some industries... I don't know if it is an audience recording or a soundboard tape, cos when I attended the KW gig in Barcelona, the sound was extremely clear, and not too loud :-) Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 17 12:33:44 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA27284 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 17 Feb 1993 18:37:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199302180037.AA27284@cs.uwp.edu> Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26852 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk); Wed, 17 Feb 1993 18:33:44 -0600 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 18:33:44 -0600 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) Subject: Administrivia Status: O Really-From: datta (David Datta) We have been experiencing network and system difficulty for the last few days. If you sent anything to one of the mailing lists that has not yet been sent out, please re-send it. If you are on the digest version of a list, all digests were sent out Wed 2-17 and approximately. There have been no digests for the last 3-4 days. -- -Dave datta@cs.uwp.edu "Such abuse would be illegal and is therefore unlikely." - FBI Director William Sessions From kraftwerk-request Thu Feb 18 08:04:30 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00785 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 18 Feb 1993 08:04:36 -0600 Message-Id: <199302181404.AA00785@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from saha.hut.fi by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA00773 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 18 Feb 1993 08:04:30 -0600 Received: by saha.hut.fi (5.65c/7.0/S-TeKoLa) id AA04144; Thu, 18 Feb 1993 16:04:22 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: New Material ??? Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 16:04:20 EET X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Status: O Really-From: Jouko Huhtala Hello !! Is there anythin new material from Kraftwerk / Electric Music. ....Hmmmm..after mix of course. -- T: Jokke E-mail jhuhtala@vipunen.hut.fi ' When things run smooth, it's already more than enough. ' - M.L.Gore From kraftwerk-request Thu Feb 18 17:56:16 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA14775 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 18 Feb 1993 10:57:14 -0600 Message-Id: <199302181657.AA14775@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA14745 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 18 Feb 1993 10:56:58 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GUVJF125CW9D4XC6@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 18 Feb 1993 17:56:16 GMT+0100 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 17:56:16 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: New Material ??? Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Is there anythin new material from Kraftwerk / Electric Music. > ....Hmmmm..after mix of course. Yes, no, yes, no, yes, no. Seriously. Yes, Elektric Music released a CD single, reviewed here by 3 of us. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es "La mu'sica ideas portara' approx. translation: "Music will bring ideas y siempre continuara' and will continue forever sonido electro'nico electronic sound decibel sinte'tico" -Musique non stop- synthetic decibel" From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 19 16:31:50 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA04410 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 19 Feb 1993 09:33:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199302191533.AA04410@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA04325 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 19 Feb 1993 09:32:39 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GUWUW9SIO09D57BA@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 19 Feb 1993 16:31:50 GMT+0100 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 16:31:50 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: KW gig in Barcelona '91 Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia The list seems to be very quiet lately !!! I guess that's because KW themselves are not very active. Here's my review of the KW concert in Barcelona, in '91. Sorry for any incorrect English words or expressions. I hope you understand what I mean though. Artist: Kraftwerk Date: 8th Nov. 1991 Venue: sala Zeleste, Barcelona I arrived with plenty of time to the place. The concert was beginning at 9:30 pm. I saw a lorry from Germany in the outside. There was almost nobody. I went to have something for dinner and then went to the place were the concert was taking place. It was 8:45 pm or so. To my surprise, I found a huge queue. People were politely queueing to come in! This is not very usual here in Spain, really. Just the day before in this same place, things had been quite different with Marillion. And I didn't expect the concert would be attended too much. When inside I was standing in front of the stage, at about 4 meters from it. The place began to be full, to my surprise. All we could see was a black curtain hiding the stage. 9:30 and the concert didn't begin. At about 10:00 we began to hear the noises that KW use to begin their concerts and the curtains were opened. Each one of the KW members took his place in the stage and "numbers" began. They looked very serious, not a single smile. At first they were with their back to us, but after touching buttons from their consoles etc, they faced to us, working with their keyboard consoles. The projections in the video screens were impressive, following the rhytm of the music. Well, their set was the usual in 91, so I'm not going to tell you about it. The sound monitors they were using were much smaller than the ones in the previous day with Marillion, and the sound was not so aloud, but I found amazing the sound quality, so clear!!! The concert continued, we were enjoying. The place was crowded, but you could move your body without problems. People's behaviour was excellent. The day before you just were moved from one side to the other and you couldn't help it! I liked a lot more the atmosphere that day with KW. The concert continued until the time for Autobahn arrived. Then, after the car finally managed to start and the music began, everything stopped!!!! Sound, lights and images, everything. It was a power cut, in the middle of the performance of the power plant!!! All the KW members were shocked, they didn't know what to do. Florian was the first one to leave the stage. Then the others followed. We began to shout in the dark KW!, KW!, KW! to cheer them up. Ralf was around the stage and said something in English (don't remember the words). He looked very confused. Then, someone from the club explained what happened. It seemed to be a failure in the power company. They expected the concert would carry on in some minutes. The power was on again and we all could see on the screens the actual computer screen in which they run their program. Then, someone from EMI Espan~a explained that the technicians had to re-start the computer program and this would take some minutes. The screens were switched off. (I would like to have pictures of this, but I don't :-( Some minutes later, Autobahn started to sound again :-) and the concert continued normally. After having finished, came the first encore, "the robots", with the robots moving and the stage alone. Very impressive. Then came "pocket calculator", with a verse in Spanish! Ralf allowed to some people to play with his small keyboard, while Florian did the most funny robotic movements of the night. After that, they went off the stage. Curtains closed ... Then someone started to sing boing boom tshack and we all began to sing this. We wanted more! We didn't want the musique to stop. A bit later everybody was singing this bit: "musique, non stop". And they did the second encore with this song. Well. It was an excellent concert, and very impressive: the quality of the sound, the stereo effects, the images on the screens, the robots, ... When will you come again? I hope it's not in 10 years time! I hope this brings some life to the list!!! Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es "Soy el operador de mi pequen~o calculador" -Pocket calculator, live in Spain- From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 22 13:18:49 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18590 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 22 Feb 1993 07:56:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199302221356.AA18590@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18533 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 22 Feb 1993 07:56:12 -0600 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.dcs; Mon, 22 Feb 1993 13:30:15 +0000 Received: from hoy.dcs.ed.ac.uk by dcs.ed.ac.uk id aa11023; 22 Feb 93 13:19 GMT Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 13:18:49 GMT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #24 In-Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu's message of Sat, 20 Feb 93 04:00:14 CST X-Mailer: MMDF/Ream v5.1.22a Organisation: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science Status: O Really-From: Al Crawford Well, since things seem to be a little quiet and Jose posted his concert review, I'll post mine too! One or two points though - Wolfgang Flur is *not* dead, but at the time of this concert there were rumours about his demise circulating. I'm sure Rick or someone else will be able to fill in some more of the gaps and correct some of the errata too. ---- Kraftwerk Live At The Edinburgh Playhouse - July 17th '91 A Review Of Sorts By Al Crawford This concert review contains copious spoilers which could spoil the fun of anyone who plans to go and see Kraftwerk at some stage during their current tour. If you don't want your enjoyment diminished, stop reading right now and rest assured that you'll have a good time at the show. Absolutely sure? Remember there's *lots* of spoilers. The show was supposed to start at 8.00pm. At about 8.05pm the medium-sized speaker stacks began playing tinkly, unstructured bleeps and boings. The crowd hushes in anticipation of the start of the show. 20 minutes of bleeps and boings later the crowd is distinctly less hushed and cries of "Get on with it" can be heard. Right on cue, a loud electronic voice booms out "Ladies and gentlemen, [some German I couldn't understand], aus Deutschland, die mensch-machine, Kraftwerk!" The curtains open to reveal a fairly elaborate set. Banks of multi-coloured neon strips are arranged in a wide "V" stretching (at floor level) from one side of the stage to the other. In front of these is a large "V" shaped bank of instrument panels covered in screens and lights and generally looking like something out of a nuclear power station or the bridge of the starship Enterprise. In front of each arm of the "V" is a platform. On each platform there's two large consoles. Behind each console there's a member of Kraftwerk dressed (rather unsurprisingly) entirely in black. With the demise of Wolfgang Flur and the departure of Bartos, there's only two members of the group easily identifiable. At the far left stands Ralf, wearing a head-mike and standing in front of a keyboard. Next is unidentified individual no.1, also in front of a keyboard. Next (on the right wing) is unidentified individual no.2, with a selection of percussion/drum pads etc. Finally, at the extreme right stands Florian. Quite what he was standing in front of is still a bit of a mystery. At a guess I'd say that, amongst other things, he was mixing. Behind and to the sides of the "V" can be seen various pieces of anonymous set, mainly of the plain-grey-box variety. Behind it are four large video screens and hidden behind those...no, I won't spoil the fun right away. The lighting is plentiful but static, mainly in primary colours and complimenting the neon strips. First up is Numbers. It's been remixed in much the same way as most of the tracks on The Mix, giving it a contemporary dance sound. The video screens are filled with large, chunky digits that follow the vocals. For the most part the group are fairly static - pretty much what you would expect from a Kraftwerk show, although the two new members bounce around quite a bit during most of the numbers. Ralf is fairly static, Florian appears to all intents and purposes to be frozen solid. The overall impression of the group isn't so much of musicians as of four people operating a very complex piece of machinery. Periodically one or more of the group will leave their console to operate something on the panels behind them - the lights etc aren't just for show, they've got a lot of the equipment built into them. Numbers finishes. The lights go down. Next - Computer World. It's more apparent here that Ralf is actually singing (you can see his lips move) and the video screens show the lyrics (no bouncing ball along the top though). Next - More Fun/Home Computer with a video of stylised circuits. Then Computer Love. There's a slightly more prolonged silence after this but then the familiar strains of the intro to The Model start up. The crowd goes wild in a restrained manner. The chunky graphics on the video screens are replaced with old black and white film of, well, of models modelling clothes. Ralf sings (in English and German). The track has been rearranged somewhat but not as drastically as most of The Mix. Most of the classic synth sounds are still there. The neon strips switch to red and blue stripes, the video screens show the Tour De France logo. After a prolonged intro, we are treated to a long version of Tour De France, with b&w videos of the aforementioned cycle race. Again, sounding more contemporary than the original but not excessively so. All goes dark. A car engine turns over but fails to start. Tries again and conks out. And again, and again. Somebody needs a new starter motor. The audience, who have by now realised what's going on, start chuckling. Eventually, the car starts and, roaring off across the stereo image and giving the familiar toot of the horn, we're into Autobahn. The crowd goes considerably wilder than they did with The Model. For the next 10 minutes or so, we're treated to a live version of Autobahn that has a lot more in common with the 1975 original than the remix on The Mix. No noticeable 1990's shuffle beat, this is much purer. By this stage the crowd in the stalls, all but a handful of whom had been seated up until now, are standing (well, about 60% of them are anyway) and are shuffling around in a vaguely rhythmic fashion. Next - the video screens fill with the familiar yellow/black radioactivity symbol. A mechanical voice intones "Tschernobyl. Harrisburg. Sellafield. Hiroshima" while the names appear on the screens. The hefty beat of the Radioactivity remix starts, causing parts you didn't even know you had to vibrate. This remains fairly faithful to the version on The Mix. Next - videos of trains and the remixed versions of Trans Europe Express/Metal On Metal. Again, very close to the album. The video screens change to show the Kling Klang Produkt logo, the curtains close. The audience shout for more. The curtains remain closed. Audience shouts again. Eventually bleeps and burbles emerge from the speakers. The audience quieten down again. Gradually, the sound becomes more organised and is identifiable as The Robots. The curtains open revealing the consoles, the control panels but no Kraftwerk. The music keeps playing. The screen shows the lyrics, "We're charging our battery and now we're full of energy" etc alternating with schematics of the robots shown on the sleeve of The Mix and film of the robots themselves. A certain moronic element of the audience persist in whistling for Kraftwerk themselves, even though it's fairly obvious that they aren't *meant* to be on stage for this one. There's a lull in the music. The video screens drop to reveal The Robots themselves. The music restarts. It's one of the remixes (Robotnik, Robotronik? I dunno). The robots move, slowly but synchronised, to the music, waving their arms around and moving their heads. They're impressively smooth but their speed of movement seems at odds with the pace of the music. But, hang on a minute, what's happened to the robot second from the right? One of its arms appears to have got stuck behind it's back and the other arm isn't moving quite right. A roadie scurries onto the stage and tried to hide behind the stage set while doing something to the robot. The robot stops moving entirely. Certain portions of the audience are grinning at the mishap (myself included). Eventually the robot starts moving again but the left arm is still stuck behind it's back. Shortly afterwards, the number finishes. I'm still not entirely convinced it was meant to finish that soon - the malfunction of the robot may have brought it to a premature end. The curtains close again. Another long period of darkness, cheers from the crowd and signs of movement behind the curtain. Spots illuminate the stage in front of the curtain. The curtain opens and Kraftwerk are back, not behind their consoles but standing at the front of the stage holding large, pocket-calculator like keypads. Yep, it's Pocket Calculator time. Ralf manages to reproduce his rather funny imitation English accent for the lyrics and the rest of the group play the music by pressing buttons. Florian moves, and how! You would never have believed it was possible for someone to press buttons in such an active and exaggerated manner. It's pretty hilarious and completely out of (stage) character. However, on this occasion Florian was upstaged somewhat. At the Glasgow show (and presumably some of the other shows since) members of the audience have been invited to press a few of the buttons, just to show that the keypads were in fact controlling the music. So when the number started a largish number of people rushed to the front. Including one rather sad techno-dweeby individial who seemed to be trying to attract the group's attention with a frankly awful little dance, making exaggerated button pushing motions and looking for all the world like a very amateur robotic dancer. He'd obviously been working on this for a long time - he even had little gestures to match the lyrics :) So it must have been a disappointment for him when the track finished and the group went offstage without letting anyone try the keypads . Curtains close once again. Darkness, cheering, etc. They re-open - Boing Boom Tschak. The video screens show cartoony graphics of the words ("Boom" surrounded by an explosion etc). I believe that at the Glasgow show it became apparent that the graphics were in fact done on an ST when the machine crashed during this video showing two bombs and a mouse pointer on screen. It didn't happen this time - about 30 or 40 seconds into the video it switched to the original '86 video for Boing Boom Tschak with the computer generated images of the group. Boing Boom Tschak. On and on and on. Then, with little prior warning, Florian picks up a bundle of papers from his console and walks off stage to applause. Anonymous percussion person does a solo and then walks off. More applause. Anonymous keyboard player loads some odd samples into his machine and adds an interesting melody. Then walks off. Yet more applause. Ralf also adds a solo melody of his own, says "Good Night" and, after a short while, walks off. The music continues, the curtains close, the music fades, the lights come up. It's over. That sums up the content of the show. The audience reaction was perhaps muted a little by the all-seater venue - they weren't exactly dancing in the aisles. About 60% of the stalls were standing and attempting to dance (not easy in that small a space) by the end of the show. The circle and balcony remained seated throughout. Overall, it was a very enjoyable show. Perhaps a little on the short side (1 hr 55 mins) but the time flew by. I'd recommend that if you get an opportunity to go and see them you should take it. More technical details (what equipment they were using, what hardware jiggery-pokery, what brand of soap powder does Florian use etc) will be posted to rec.music.synth (and no doubt other places) by Nick Rothwell. Merchandisewise there wasn't a great deal on sale. No programmes were available and, unlike the Glasgow show, there weren't any bootleg t-shirts on sale outside. This limited the prospective trinket buyer to a rather plain Radioactivity badge (#1.50) or a choice of 3 t-shirts (at the extortionate price of #13 each) - an Autobahn t-shirt in white and blue or black, a Robots t-shirt in white showing a schematic of the robot, and a black and yello Radioactivity one. Yours truly went for the blue Autobahn t-shirt. -- Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk Department Of Computer Science, The University of Edinburgh Rm 1410, JCMB, Kings Buildings, Mayfield Rd, EDINBURGH, EH9 3JZ, Scotland Tel: +44 (0) 31 650 5165 Fax: +44 (0) 31 667 7209 From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 22 09:25:58 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA24178 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 22 Feb 1993 09:26:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199302221526.AA24178@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax2.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA24148 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 22 Feb 1993 09:25:58 -0600 Received: from HASARA11.BITNET by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 22 Feb 93 16:24 MET Received: from HASARA11 (SSCPRICK) by HASARA11.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 6605; Mon, 22 Feb 93 16:21:29 CET Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 15:42:03 CET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: SARA - Amsterdam Universities Computer Center Subject: Re: Kraftwerk Edinburgh show In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 22 Feb 93 13:18:49 GMT Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Al Crawford wrote: ... >Right on cue, a loud electronic >voice booms out "Ladies and gentlemen, [some German I couldn't understand], >aus Deutschland, die mensch-machine, Kraftwerk!" It is: 'Gutenabend, meine Damen und Herren, ladies and gentlemen. Heute Abend, aus Deutschland, die Mensch Machine: Kraftwerk. (Good evening ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, This evening, from Germany, the Man Machine, Kraftwerk) >With the demise of Wolfgang Flur and the departure of Bartos, there's only Well, it seems Flur isn't dead, but also not in Elektric Music. Bartos is 'Crosstalking' to him on Crosstalk though. >two members of the group easily identifiable. Kraftwerk at that concert was: Ralf Hutter, Fernando Abrantes, Fritz Hilpert and Florian Schneider. (Left to right.) Abrantes has since been replaced with someone else, I dunno who. As for what each is doing, thats a bit hard. In general you can say Hutter does the melodies and voice, Bartos/Abrantes did/does bass lines, Flur/Hilpert percussion, Schneider effects and elektro-voice things. It is a bit of a pity the concerts are very much automated these days, much more even than the '81 concerts. Even Schneiders voice wasn't 'live' but sampled. Personally I think thats going a bit too far. With the '81 concerts you really could see they had to *work*. Not now. I guess even the video is partly midi-controlled, as the lyrics and images of Radioactivity and Boing Boom Tschak were in perfect sync. In the 81 concerts each member had a small pocket light which was used to do things on the consoles. Apparently they didn't want the audience to see what happened there. Now they hardly touch the equipment at all, no idea how they controlled everything back then, midi wasn't around I think? If things need controlling at all that is, being automated as the show is now. I guess the monitor in Hutter's console belongs to the Synclavier. The stereo effects by the way, are made by the person controlling the mixer. I was sitting just above it, and could see em twist some knobs for the Autobahn stereo effect :) The KlingKlang studio was smaller too this time, and the tv screens with the telephones gone. Each member had a small tv screen with a telephone next to it in the console behind him. I liked those :-) And, that nice big sequencer with running led-lights has gone. It was a panel on the far left with hundreds of led's and knobs. By the way, the neon strips aren't neon, but just coloured luminescent lights (TL's). In no concert I have seen Florian use that 'clear tube on a stand'. >From pictures it looks a bit like a flute. Anyone any idea what it was used for and in which tracks? -Rick. -- rick@sara.nl "She's a Module and she's looking good" From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 22 16:56:18 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26523 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 22 Feb 1993 09:57:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199302221557.AA26523@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26466 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 22 Feb 1993 09:57:03 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GV12KVZ0IO9D57YC@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 22 Feb 1993 16:56:18 GMT+0100 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 16:56:18 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Bartos & Flur departure Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia I still have no clue about the reasons for the Bartos and Flur departure. Can anyone explain something about this ? Did anyone attended the 2nd KW convention in Blackpool ? What I missed ? Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon Feb 22 06:38:36 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA01222 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 22 Feb 1993 16:38:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199302222238.AA01222@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA01203 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 22 Feb 1993 16:38:43 -0600 Received: by june.cs.washington.edu (5.65b/7.1ju) id AA13981; Mon, 22 Feb 93 14:38:36 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 14:38:36 -0800 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Return-Path: Subject: Electrik Music Status: O Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) Saw an Electrik Music (sp.?) 12" yesterday - fortunately it was in the only shop in town that lets you listen to the records. two tracks: "TV" and "Television" both around 4 or 5 minutes Review (after only one listening): I didn't like it very much. In its favor, I would note that the sound is very crisp, clean and open, with lots of well-used empty spaces, and the pace is refreshingly slow compared to most dance music these days. In these respects it resembles Kraftwerk around the time of "Computer World" or "Man-Machine", or even Yazoo (Vince Clarke's band c. 1983). But it's not particularly inspired and is even a bit shrill. The same is true for E.M.'s remix of "Planet Rock". So I'm not harboring great hopes for Electrik Music, sadly. For moderate-paced, back-to-basics, analog-synth-style music, Aphex Twin ("Ambient Works") or Warp's "Artifical Intelligence" series are safer bets, especially at import prices. Richard karty@cs.washington.edu From kraftwerk-request Tue Feb 23 10:11:00 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA11925 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 23 Feb 1993 07:17:13 -0600 Message-Id: <199302231317.AA11925@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA11910 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 23 Feb 1993 07:16:54 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GV22LILS1S9D59HY@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 23 Feb 1993 10:11:00 GMT+0100 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 10:11:00 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Kraftwerk Edinburgh show Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Rick: > It is a bit of a pity the concerts are very much automated these days, > much more even than the '81 concerts. Even Schneiders voice wasn't > 'live' but sampled. Personally I think thats going a bit too far. > With the '81 concerts you really could see they had to *work*. Not now. If there was any negative point in the KW concert, it was the excessive automation, but still it was great! I damn myself for not having attended their concert in Barcelona in '81 :-( but it was really difficult for me at that time to go to any concert in Barcelona! Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 24 13:25:56 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA27317 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 24 Feb 1993 06:27:28 -0600 Message-Id: <199302241227.AA27317@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA27278 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 24 Feb 1993 06:26:33 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GV3NR1DSGW9D5FTD@cc.uab.es>; Wed, 24 Feb 1993 13:25:56 GMT+0100 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 13:25:56 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Electrik Music Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) > Saw an Electrik Music (sp.?) 12" yesterday ... > two tracks: "TV" and "Television" ... > Review (after only one listening): >I didn't like it very much. In its favor, ... Any other reviews? I'd like to know what other people think about this new ELEKTRIC MUSIC single. ^ ^ Anyone in Germany? (I think it's a German-only release). Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 24 08:28:30 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA03509 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 24 Feb 1993 08:28:51 -0600 Message-Id: <199302241428.AA03509@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from urmel.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA03478 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 24 Feb 1993 08:28:30 -0600 Received: from hathi (hathi.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/urmel-2) id AA11180; Wed, 24 Feb 93 15:28:15 +0100 Received: by hathi (4.1/POOL.3) id AA02590; Wed, 24 Feb 93 15:28:54 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Electrik Music Date: Wed, 24 Feb 93 15:28:51 MET In-Reply-To: <199302241227.AA27317@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Feb 24, 93 1:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL10] Status: O Really-From: lupo@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de > > Really-From: Jose Garcia > > > Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) > > > Saw an Electrik Music (sp.?) 12" yesterday ... > > two tracks: "TV" and "Television" ... > > Review (after only one listening): > >I didn't like it very much. In its favor, ... > > Any other reviews? I'd like to know what other people think about this > new ELEKTRIC MUSIC single. > ^ ^ > Anyone in Germany? (I think it's a German-only release). I have been to my favourite record shop today, but have not seen it.. (Even no rumours about that maxi here..) Anybody else ? ... > > Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es > -- Lutz From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 24 04:49:00 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06214 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 24 Feb 1993 09:02:26 -0600 Message-Id: <199302241502.AA06214@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from att.att.com (att-out.att.com) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06197 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 24 Feb 1993 09:02:19 -0600 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Date: Wed, 24 Feb 93 09:49 EST Subject: Re: Electrik Music Status: O Really-From: rmb@cblph.att.com >Really-From: lupo@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de >> Really-From: Jose Garcia >> > Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) >> >> > Saw an Electrik Music (sp.?) 12" yesterday ... >> > two tracks: "TV" and "Television" ... >> > Review (after only one listening): >> >I didn't like it very much. In its favor, ... >> >> Any other reviews? I'd like to know what other people think about this >> new ELEKTRIC MUSIC single. >> ^ ^ >> Anyone in Germany? (I think it's a German-only release). > >I have been to my favourite record shop today, but have not seen it.. >(Even no rumours about that maxi here..) Anybody else ? ... There is a store here in Columbus, Ohio that has the TV EP as an import so it does exist. I plan on picking it up the next time I'm in. Rich... { Rich Brack /-/ _ i don't want to be your angel } { rmb@cblph.att.com /-/ _|_|_ i want to be your witch! } { \-\/-/ ( * )tch -yello } { \/\/ /^\ } From kraftwerk-request Wed Feb 24 16:11:24 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA07474 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 24 Feb 1993 09:17:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199302241517.AA07474@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA07434 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 24 Feb 1993 09:16:40 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GV3TH2J9FK9EDBZI@cc.uab.es>; Wed, 24 Feb 1993 16:11:24 GMT+0100 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 16:11:24 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Electrik Music Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia I see that I'm not alone!!! Latests news about Elektric Music, from the Aktivitat fanzine, special issue for the KW convention, are that there's an album ready still with no title and it might be released in Spring. By the way, does anyone in the list get the fanzine AKTIVITAT ? It seems that nobody in the list attented the 2nd KW convention. I wanted to know how had it been :-( Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu Feb 25 11:05:45 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA03670 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 04:07:01 -0600 Message-Id: <199302251007.AA03670@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA03653 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 04:06:35 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GV4X2E5OHC9D5BFS@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 25 Feb 1993 11:05:45 GMT+0100 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 11:05:45 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: KW concerts & automation Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: Jose Garcia > > Really-From: Rick Jansen > > > It is a bit of a pity the concerts are very much automated these days, > > much more even than the '81 concerts. Even Schneiders voice wasn't > > 'live' but sampled. Personally I think thats going a bit too far. > > With the '81 concerts you really could see they had to *work*. Not now. > > If there was any negative point in the KW concert, it was the excessive > automation, but still it was great! Did everyone who saw them live in the '91 tour enjoy the concert? (Sorry that people from the US didn't have the chance). Anyone have been in previous KW tours, apart from you Rick in '81? There are rumours that they played secretly in Spain in '78. If that's true, I'd have loved to be there !!! Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu Feb 25 13:48:03 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA29645 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 05:48:24 -0600 Message-Id: <199302251148.AA29645@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from efd.lth.se (oddput.efd.lth.se) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA29630 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 05:48:18 -0600 Received: from lo-4.efd.lth.se by efd.lth.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0nRh4W-0002VSC; Thu, 25 Feb 93 12:48 MET Received: by lo-4.efd.lth.se (Smail3.1.26.7 #1) id m0nRh4Q-001s8iC; Thu, 25 Feb 93 12:48 MET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 12:48:03 +0100 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92) Subject: Re: Electrik Music Status: O Really-From: d90gl@efd.lth.se (/usr/spool/mail/d90gl) When I asked for a record from Electrik Music at my recordstrore here in Sweden they said that they had gotten just one copy and that it was limited to 5000 copys worldwide. I don't know which record they were talking about if there are many. Gustaf Lvfberg d90gl@efd.lth.se From kraftwerk-request Thu Feb 25 13:03:24 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00510 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 06:04:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199302251204.AA00510@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA00498 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 06:04:10 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GV518M916O9GV5QU@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 25 Feb 1993 13:03:24 GMT+0100 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 13:03:24 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Elektric Music (to spell it correctly) Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia The disc you mention, Gustaf, limited to 5000 copies is the first single released by Elektric Music: Crosstalk, a few weeks ago. I think it's worth getting, if you're not short of money. I like the second track best: Intercomix. It has a more "industrial" feeling, if you can say that's industrial (which is not). The disc we've been crosstalking about recently is a second single titled "TV", or sth. similar. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu Feb 25 06:53:40 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA02060 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 06:53:54 -0600 Message-Id: <199302251253.AA02060@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA02043 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 06:53:40 -0600 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 25 Feb 93 13:52 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA167632, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: Electrik Music In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 25 Feb 93 12:48:03 N. <199302251148.AA29645@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 13:53:53 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen In message <199302251148.AA29645@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Really-From: d90gl@efd.lth.se (/usr/spool/mail/d90gl) > > When I asked for a record from Electrik Music at my > recordstrore here in Sweden they said that they had > gotten just one copy and that it was limited to > 5000 copys worldwide. I don't know which record they > were talking about if there are many. The 'limited' edition, according to my good record store is only for the digipak wrapped disc. Usually a disc is later released in the normal clear plastic package. But then again, I wouldn't make too much fuss about it, it isn't Kraftwerk. And, by the way, I'll be on vacation coming month. Byeeee :-) -Rick. -- rick@sara.nl She's a module and she's looking good From kraftwerk-request Thu Feb 25 17:08:26 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA16695 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 10:10:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199302251610.AA16695@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA16658 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 10:09:28 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GV59HTRULC9D5JE6@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 25 Feb 1993 17:08:26 GMT+0100 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 17:08:26 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Poll Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia I don't know how many of us are there (Dave?) but I feel like running a poll. Questions: 1) Best KW album 2) Best KW song 3) Second best KW song 4) Third best KW song 5) Best mix from "The Mix" 6) Have you attended any KW gig? What's been the best one? 7) Do you have all the KW albums (on record, tape or whatever)? (1, 2, R&Florian, Autobahn, R-Activity, T E Express, M Machine, C World, E Cafe) 8) Name 3 other of your favourite bands. Please e-mail directly to me your answers, before the 5th of March: pepeg@ctivax.uab.es I'll post the results the 8th. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu Feb 25 05:41:58 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22394 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 15:42:13 -0600 Message-Id: <199302252142.AA22394@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22357 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 15:42:01 -0600 Received: by june.cs.washington.edu (5.65b/7.1ju) id AA05458; Thu, 25 Feb 93 13:41:58 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 13:41:58 -0800 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Return-Path: Subject: Aktivitat 'zine, Tour de France Status: O Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) Jose - I'd be interested in hearing about Aktivitat fanzine and the first KW convention, even if it was a while ago. ........................................................................ ...and this is getting a bit off the subject of Kraftwerk,but... Have any other well-known people done theme music for the Tour de France? E-mail me directly if you feel this isn't appropriate for the list. Richard From kraftwerk-request Thu Feb 25 06:20:23 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26397 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 16:20:37 -0600 Message-Id: <199302252220.AA26397@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26377 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 16:20:24 -0600 Received: by june.cs.washington.edu (5.65b/7.1ju) id AA09342; Thu, 25 Feb 93 14:20:23 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 14:20:23 -0800 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Return-Path: Subject: Tour de France Status: O Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) OK this is back into the realm of Kraftwerk proper: Was "Tour de France" really used for the Tour de France? At the time it came out I gained the distinct impression that it was commissioned by the organizers. Is that correct? Richard From kraftwerk-request Thu Feb 25 11:22:22 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA02978 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 17:22:26 -0600 Message-Id: <199302252322.AA02978@cs.uwp.edu> Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA02965 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 17:22:23 -0600 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 17:22:22 -0600 In-Reply-To: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) "Poll" (Feb 25, 5:08pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) Subject: Some stats... Status: O Really-From: datta (David Datta) } Really-From: Jose Garcia } I don't know how many of us are there (Dave?) 3 CANADA CA 2 DENMARK DK 2 FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY DE 3 FINLAND FI 3 NETHERLANDS NL 2 NORWAY NO 1 SPAIN ES 7 SWEDEN SE 3 UNITED KINGDOM UK 5 UNITED STATES COM 19 UNITED STATES EDU 1 UNITED STATES NET 1 UNITED STATES ORG 2 UNITED STATES US 54 members kraftwerk -- -Dave datta@cs.uwp.edu "Such abuse would be illegal and is therefore unlikely." - FBI Director William Sessions From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 26 18:53:54 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA03726 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 17:30:14 -0600 Message-Id: <199302252330.AA03726@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cats.UCSC.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA03684 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 17:30:04 -0600 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.UCSC.EDU with SMTP id AA21688; Thu, 25 Feb 93 15:29:54 -0800 Received: by am.ucsc.edu (5.65/4.7) id AA29455; Thu, 25 Feb 93 15:29:54 -0800 Subject: Re: Poll In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 25 Feb 93 17:08:26 +0100. <199302251610.AA16695@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 15:29:54 +45722724 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: "Chris.Hilker" kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) writes: >Really-From: Jose Garcia >I don't know how many of us are there (Dave?) but I feel like running a poll. >Questions: >1) Best KW album The Man-Machine >2) Best KW song Neon Lights >3) Second best KW song Autobahn >4) Third best KW song Trans-Europe Express >5) Best mix from "The Mix" Radio-Activity >6) Have you attended any KW gig? What's been the best one? No :( >7) Do you have all the KW albums (on record, tape or whatever)? >(1, 2, R&Florian, Autobahn, R-Activity, T E Express, M Machine, C World, E Caf >e) No 1 2 or R&F. All the rest. >8) Name 3 other of your favourite bands. Tangerine Dream, The KLF, the Aphex Twin C. -- hilker!chris (cspot@cats.ucsc.edu) "Hurry up, March 23!" Life is fair. There, I said it. If anyone asks, you can tell them I did. From kraftwerk-request Thu Feb 25 08:28:22 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA14058 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 19:03:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199302260103.AA14058@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ames.arc.nasa.gov by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA14035 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 19:02:58 -0600 Received: from ultra.UUCP by ames.arc.nasa.gov with UUCP id AA13685 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 16:33:47 -0800 Received: from froth.ultra.com by ultra.com id AA05157 (4.1/Ultra-1.4-10-10-91 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Thu, 25 Feb 93 16:28:22 PST Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 16:28:22 PST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Wanted: German language CDs Status: O Really-From: jeffj@ultra.com (Jeff Johnson) I'm looking for German-language Kraftwerk CDs. I've found a few at a local shop here in San Jose, CA, but I'd rather not pay the US$30 they were asking for each disc. I was wondering if somone knows of a mailorder place, either domestic or abroad, where these discs may be acquired cheaper. Or alternately, would it be cheaper than US$30 for someone in Germany to buy and ship them? Thanks! /jeff -- Jeff Johnson | Ultra Network Technologies | voice: (408) 922-0100 x284 jeffj@ultra.com | 101 Daggett Drive | fax: (408) 433-9287 ...ames!ultra!jeffj | San Jose, CA 95134 | sex: (900) 976-4825 The difference between ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 26 09:53:36 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA12509 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 02:54:22 -0600 Message-Id: <199302260854.AA12509@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA12490 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 02:54:04 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GV683PK5J49D5D0I@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 09:53:36 GMT+0100 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 09:53:36 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Aktivitat 'zine, Tour de France Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Richard: > Jose - I'd be interested in hearing about Aktivitat fanzine and the > first KW convention, even if it was a while ago. OK. Here's some info. Aktivitat is a KW fanzine made by fans for fans. The first issue was released in the first KW convention (I think, though not sure), wich was held in Blackpool, UK, in early 92. It is a b&w fanzine with some info about KW gigs, etc. plus a very interesting Collectors Corner section devoted to review every worldwide KW release on 7" and 12", giving details about cover, record label, etc. and some pictures of the most interesting covers. Looks like being a xerox, but excellent quality. Then came issue 2, with an excellent colour cover, with pics. from the 91 tour. This issue has more pages, and looks great. Don't remember the sections now, but the Collectors Corner is a usual one. All the news about KW (there aren't many) are covered in every issue. Again, don't remember the contents, but very interesting, IMO. Issue 3 was released in January '93. I sent the whole contents of this issue to the KW list (see: Kraftwerk Digest Fri, 29 Jan 93 Volume 1 : Issue 10, you can get it at cs.uwp.edu via anonymous ftp, directory /pub/music/lists/kraftwerk if I'm not wrong, or sth. similar). I can send you a copy though, or repost it again. Issue 3 is great, 50 pages, front and back cover with colour pics, ... Price for each 'zine is (in Europe) 2.50 UK pounds including postage. Don't know price for the U.S. For further details, send an IRC to: I A C 108 Cummings Park Crescent Northfield Aberdeen AB2 7AR SCOTLAND U.K. If you're a collector, get it!!! It can still be interesting for the non- collectors. Just try ang get one (get #3). The second KW convention was held again in Blackpool, last Sunday. There was a special AKTIVITAT edition for the convention, shorter than usual, with b&w cover. Says the next issue of Aktivitat should appear around August. The convention took place in a hotel. There where all the KW videos, fans were encouraged to bring their KW material to show to other fans and to trade if they wanted. It was planned that a band would play in the afternoon nothing but KW tracks, whose name is Elektro Kinetik. As I didn't attend the convention, that's why I asked if anybody did, to know how it had been. If you want more info, do not hesitate to ask. > Have any other well-known people done theme music for the Tour de > France? E-mail me directly if you feel this isn't appropriate for the > list. I think there was a band who did music for the Tour de France before KW, but of course with non such a good result. Don't remember the name of the band now, but I think they were from Belgium. Can have a look at my bibliography. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 26 09:58:16 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA12963 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 03:03:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199302260903.AA12963@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA12942 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 03:02:59 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GV695QTNI89GV68J@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 09:58:16 GMT+0100 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 09:58:16 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Poll Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Please do not send your answers for the poll to the list (do not REPLY), but send them to me: pepeg@ctivax.uab.es Jose Garcia "La musica ideas portara y siempre continuara, sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" -Musique non stop- From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 26 10:08:00 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA13234 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 03:09:47 -0600 Message-Id: <199302260909.AA13234@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA13209 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 03:09:29 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GV69F1RUSW9D4VFH@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 10:08:00 GMT+0100 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 10:08:00 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Tour de France Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) > > Was "Tour de France" really used for the Tour de France? At the time > it came out I gained the distinct impression that it was commissioned > by the organizers. Is that correct? I remember that in '83 I never missed the summary about the Tour de France on TV, with the best soundtrack it has ever had :-) And I think it was specially done as the soundtrack for the TV reports about the Tour. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 26 03:32:40 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA14991 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 03:32:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199302260932.AA14991@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA14976 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 03:32:40 -0600 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 26 Feb 93 10:31 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA155170, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: Tour de France In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 25 Feb 93 14:20:23 PST. <199302252220.AA26397@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 93 10:32:56 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen In message <199302252220.AA26397@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) > Was "Tour de France" really used for the Tour de France? At the time > it came out I gained the distinct impression that it was commissioned > by the organizers. Is that correct? The Tour de France is a yearly *EVENT* in France, The Netherlands and Belgium, covered live on the radio all day. The whole programming scheme is turned upside down, with TDF events between the music. Those newsflashes are preceded by a 'tune'. Kraftwerk's Tour de France was the 'official tune' in 1983. Note that radio is not organized in Europe as it is in the US, here there are far fewer stations, so there usually is only one sort of 'official' station. Personally I find the Tour de France not a sports and friendship event at all. Its just about money, money and money. Camarades et amitie? hah! -Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl She's a module and she's looking good From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 26 04:11:32 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA16493 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 04:11:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199302261011.AA16493@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from urmel.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA16480 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 04:11:32 -0600 Received: from damabus.informatik.rwth-aachen.de by urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/urmel-2) id AA28950; Fri, 26 Feb 93 11:11:16 +0100 Received: by damabus.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (16.8/POOL.1) id AA20485; Fri, 26 Feb 93 11:11:33 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Wanted: German language CDs Date: Fri, 26 Feb 93 11:11:33 MEZ In-Reply-To: <199302260103.AA14058@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Feb 25, 93 4:28 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.30] Status: O Really-From: lupo@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de > > Really-From: jeffj@ultra.com (Jeff Johnson) > > I'm looking for German-language Kraftwerk CDs. I've found a few at a local > shop here in San Jose, CA, but I'd rather not pay the US$30 they were asking > for each disc. I was wondering if somone knows of a mailorder place, either > domestic or abroad, where these discs may be acquired cheaper. Or alternately, > would it be cheaper than US$30 for someone in Germany to buy and ship them? Well, to buy a CD in Germania is quite expensive. The Mix and Electric Cafe makes ~30DM, Computerwelt, Radioaktivitaet and the rest ranges from 20DM to 29DM. (Depends on Shop and Special bargain offers) One point is Postage to the US. I have mailed the Electric Music `Crosstalk` CD to Dan Clegg/Los Angeles and the Bundespost (HATE!) wanted 7.40DM for it :( So, take your calculator and check out if it's worth. If you'd ask me, I'd send the CD's to you, but it may take some time... > > Thanks! > /jeff > -- > Jeff Johnson | Ultra Network Technologies | voice: (408) 922-0100 x284 > jeffj@ultra.com | 101 Daggett Drive | fax: (408) 433-9287 > ...ames!ultra!jeffj | San Jose, CA 95134 | sex: (900) 976-4825 > The difference between ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care > -- Lutz From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 26 11:49:15 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA17684 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 04:50:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199302261050.AA17684@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA17670 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 04:50:37 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GV6D0B3GMO9D5I8J@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 11:49:15 GMT+0100 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 11:49:15 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Poll: other fave bands Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Just want to clarify the 8th question of the poll, about your faves bands. I don't know if it was clear. They can be any music style, not necessary related to KW, tecno, German music or whatever. So far, 8 people have sent votes. Please send yours to my address: pepeg@ctivax.uab.es Jose Garcia From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 26 15:52:04 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA21710 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 08:53:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199302261453.AA21710@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA21673 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 08:52:59 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GV6LB0BUG09GV6IE@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 15:52:04 GMT+0100 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 15:52:04 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Wanted: German language CDs Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: jeffj@ultra.com (Jeff Johnson) > > I'm looking for German-language Kraftwerk CDs. I've found a few at a local > .... Don't know if this helps but I used to order CDs from the US and this mail order service claims to have the lowest prices in America. They even guaranty that (with a refund if you find a lower price, ...) Here you are: SOUND CITY 2000, INC. P.O. BOX 22149 Portland, OR 97222-0149 phone: 503-654-2196 fax: 503-54-4920 They import from UK, Germany and Japan. Of course I have no relation with this people. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 26 06:02:14 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA28409 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 10:13:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199302261613.AA28409@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA28393 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 10:13:30 -0600 Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4311; Fri, 26 Feb 93 11:15:44 EST Received: from WAYNEST1 (NJE origin EIVERSO@WAYNEST1) by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7455; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 11:15:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 93 11:02:14 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Aktivitat 'zine, Tour de France, EM In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 26 Feb 1993 09:53:36 GMT+0100 Status: O Really-From: Eric On Fri, 26 Feb 1993 09:53:36 GMT+0100 you said: >Really-From: Jose Garcia ... wrt Activit:at... >Price for each 'zine is (in Europe) 2.50 UK pounds including postage. >Don't know price for the U.S. For further details, send an IRC to: What is an IRC? >I A C >108 Cummings Park Crescent >Northfield >Aberdeen AB2 7AR >SCOTLAND >U.K. BTW I didn't know the Tour de France was an *EVENT*...I thought it was the biggest and most important annual bicycle race in the world. BTW wrt Elektric Music: I think their Planet Rock remix was the best one of all on the 10th anniversary CD. Also, I am starting ot really like _Baby Come Back_...(some copies did make their way to the US ;-)! ) Haven't heard TV or Television yet. Anybody know when they will release an album? --Eric "She is a modem and she's looking good" From kraftwerk-request Fri Feb 26 17:29:30 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00120 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 10:30:12 -0600 Message-Id: <199302261630.AA00120@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA29981 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 26 Feb 1993 10:30:00 -0600 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GV6OQDLNJ49GV5T0@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 17:29:30 GMT+0100 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 17:29:30 GMT+0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Aktivitat 'zine, Tour de France, EM Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: Eric > > What is an IRC? It's an International Reply Coupon. You can get it at post offices and it allows the addressee to reply without having to pay for the stamps. The IRC can be exchanged at post offices for local stamps. As for the Elektric Music album, might be released sometime in Spring. What's the matter with this "TV" single? Richard Karty saw a copy on 12". Richard, any more details? Was it from Germany? Was it a promo item? Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es