From kraftwerk-request Tue Jun 1 19:17:59 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA11609 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 1 Jun 1993 18:35:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199306012335.AA11609@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from guardian.apple.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA11595 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 1 Jun 1993 18:35:49 -0500 Received: from [90.1.0.15] by guardian.apple.com with SMTP (5.65/7-Aug-1992-eef) id AA06934; Tue, 1 Jun 93 16:23:37 -0700 for Received: from magic-bbs.corp.apple.com by jumbo.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/26-Oct-1992-eef) id AA21256; Tue, 1 Jun 93 16:21:23 PDT for bombuzal@hacktic.nl Received: from MAGIC (32688) by magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1 TNG I) id AA32688.871088; Tue, 01 Jun 1993 18:21:11 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1993 00:17:59 EST Subject: Re: Odd KW CD's Status: O Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hey! Thats an offer I cant refuse .. which CDs can you get? I'll send you DM35 (how much in Canadian $s?) for a couple CDs .. even the Electrik Music as well... Bruce.. From kraftwerk-request Tue Jun 1 15:05:16 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA14804 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 1 Jun 1993 19:15:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199306020015.AA14804@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vm.uwp.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA14784 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 1 Jun 1993 19:14:56 -0500 Received: from Altitude.CAM.ORG by VM.UWP.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 01 Jun 93 19:15:34 CST Received: by Altitude.CAM.ORG with PINE id AA10765 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Tue, 1 Jun 1993 20:14:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 20:05:16 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: A newbie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hello. My name is Gabe Yedid. I first heard of this list through the Jarre list also at cs.uwp.edu. I am completely new to Kraftwerk, my first exposure to them having come on May 31, 1993, when I decided to rent The Mix just for the hell of it, and discovered that it was more than just not half-bad (I thought the cover was a bit psycho, though). In fact, the group's older albums, particularly Ralf and Florian's duo material, is very popular second-hand stuff in used LP stores here in Montreal. About me: I am 17 years old, born and bred in Montreal, Canada (yes, it's still a part of Canada, thank God), and currently a student at Champlain Regional College in the South Shore suburb of St. Lambert. I play bass clarinet and know a miniscule amount of cello. My favorite artists are Johann Sebastian Bach, Steve Reich, Jean-Michel Jarre, and the Montreal Symphony Orchestra. I have some questions about Kraftwerk: 1) How old are Ralf and Florian now? (A debate could be started about them getting too old to do techno-style stuff) 2) What is the group's current membership like? 3) Are their first two albums (or any of the duo stuff) similar to the kind of stuff I heard on The Mix? 4) Is anything new from them on the horizon? Gabe Yedid (yedid@cam.org) From kraftwerk-request Wed Jun 2 04:28:47 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18358 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 2 Jun 1993 04:28:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199306020928.AA18358@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18345 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 2 Jun 1993 04:28:47 -0500 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <17525-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 11:28:41 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA23251; Wed, 2 Jun 93 11:28:25 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: The Man Machine lyrics Date: Wed, 2 Jun 93 11:28:23 METDST In-Reply-To: <199305271219.AA08268@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 27, 93 2:18 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Sorry Rick, but I think you've got something wrong! You write: > > Mensch Machine > Ein Wesen und ein Ding > Mensch Machine > Ein Wesen und ein Ueberding > But at the concert, the Man Machine said: Die Mensch Machine Halb Wesen und halb Ding Die Mensch Machine Halb Wesen und halb Ueberding Anyway, it would be interesting to discuss how important the knowledge of the German language and culture is to fully understand KW. I myself think it's *Essential*, even more since the concert, as you see them quoting Nietsche. And to german culture: Havin a ride on the Autobahn with appropriate music can get you at higher spiritual levels. The same for a touristic trip to the Ruhrgebiet. (I cant't compare that to other industrial areas outside of NW Europe, can anyone else do that?) In general, I like the German versions of the albums better than the English ones. They sound more European, and I think the KW music is *VERY* European. Gutentag, Hillebrand ............................................................................... . /||\ . Hillebrand Boorsma / || \ . / || \ . Delft University of Technology +--------------------------------+ . Dpt. of Applied Fysics +-+ +------------------+ +-+ . Section Signal Processing \ / / || \ \ / . Lorentzweg 1 ++ / || \ ++ . 2628 CJ Delft / || \ . The Netherlands / || \ . / || \ . / || \ . E-mail: Boorsma@duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl / || \ . +------------++------------+ . Phone (private) : +31 (015) 615553 ................................................................................ "Autobahn" "Tour de France" "Trans Europa Express" From kraftwerk-request Tue Jun 1 06:18:42 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA21019 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 2 Jun 1993 12:32:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199306021732.AA21019@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from web.apc.org by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA21003 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 2 Jun 1993 12:32:34 -0500 Received: from intacc by web.apc.org with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0o0wXU-00007KC; Wed, 2 Jun 93 17:23 GMT Received: from intacc (FirstClass[350026]) by intacc.uucp (PostalUnion/UUCP 1.0.8) id AA350026.4209; Wed, 02 Jun 1993 00:00:39 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Inter/Access, Arts Telecommunications & Media Centre, Toronto, ON, Canada Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1993 11:18:42 EST Subject: Re: Odd KW CD's Status: O Really-From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I'd like to tell you about the WORST Kraftwerk bootleg I've ever heard. It's a double cd called 'Heute Abend' mostly recorded in the UK (1991 tour). I was told that it was a 'straight from the board to DAT' recording before I bought it. I have since learned that it is the sound recorded from a video camera's built in microphone. I have never seen Kraftwerk live, and since this was the first KW bootleg I had ever bought it was a nice treat to hear how they play around live. But aside from this, the sound quality is awful. Often you hear people talking who are louder than the concert itself (because they were close to the mic). In general, the crowd noise is too loud and the band sounds very far away. ferenc ***************************************************************** This message was sent from MATRIX The views expressed in this posting those of the individual author only. ***************************************************************** From kraftwerk-request Wed Jun 2 20:26:22 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA27248 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 2 Jun 1993 13:27:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199306021827.AA27248@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA27223 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 2 Jun 1993 13:26:55 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYWZ4AU4NK9X3HPJ@cc.uab.es>; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 20:26:22 GMT+0200 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 20:26:22 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: a KW week Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Well, here I am back to the university again, after one week off. As you will know, I went to see Kraftwerk and to meet people from the list and other KW fans. Well, on Tuesday I met people from the list, from the AKTIVITAET fanzine, from KLEM, and other fans. It was great. The concert in Groningen was a very small venue. Don't know how many people we were, maybe about 400 (???) I enjoyed the show a LOT. I felt into the music itself. The concert didn't show any big surprises, except for the song "The Man Machine" wich was performed for the first time, and a really good version I must say. The graphics for the song were very much into the artwork of "The Man Machine" LP. It was cool. The rest of songs, etc, quite the same as in the '91 tour, with some differences. For instance, Autobahn was a slower version. Musique non stop was also shorter than in the '91 tour, probably for the addition of The Man Machine to the set. All in all, great show. I was standing in front of the stage, second row. For the Pocket Calculator encore, I even got to press one of Ralf's keys ;) After the show I chatted with other fans, and later I went to see if I could talk to anyone of the KW guys and get their autographs. There were other people waiting for them also. When Florian went out of the hall by a backdoor and headed to his car I went to meet him and got him to sign my "The Mix" LP cover (dedicated "para Jose', Florian Schneider" :) and spoke with him for a few seconds. I asked him if they had NEW stuff and if they would play any of it in the following concerts. His answer was quite good and very clever. He said they were not playing any new tracks because if they did, they would see the light on a bootleg even before they released them themselves! He said he didn't like all the bootleg stuff that is making so much money from the fans and with such bad quality. He recognised the Zurich one was good. He also said they would come back to Barcelona ;) and Madrid. (His answer might mean they HAVE new stuff but are worried about the bootleggers. I hope it's true) He also answered other people's questions about the KW book wich I think has already been published. He said he had been not interviewed for the book and his interviews had been made up! Ralf came out of the hall and got immediately into his car, starting the engine. I thought I would not get his autograph! I walked to his car and asked him to sign my copy of "The mix", and he opened his window and did ( "Ralf Hutter fur Jose' " ;) I also got Henning and Fritz autographs. Of course the other people also got autographs :) After that, they were off for their hotel. It was really interesting to talk to Florian and I couldn't believe he was actually answering some of the questions. On Wednesday, people from AKTIVITAET and myself took the train to Gent in Belgium. There, we saw Florian walking in the streets, just as an unknown person! The show was pretty much the same, except for Numbers had a noticeable new synth line. The venue was not as small as in Groningen, and very hot. About 1000 people (????) Of course I met many people that had attended the show in Groningen. It was a good show, but not as good as Groningen. On Thursday we went to Osnabrueck. The venue was the biggest one. Maybe about 2000 people (????) The main difference in this show was they played the German versions of the song, but "The Man Machine" remained the same, as in the 2 previous concerts (half German half English). Computerwelt showed new graphics on the screens. Very nice. They had many problems with the sound. It was too low and didn't sound properly until Autobahn. Even Ralf forgot to sing some lines for they were in trouble and trying to fix some problems! It was a bit disappointing. Maybe as a compensation, the rendition of Pocket Calculator was a bit longer than usual, with a lot of improvisation. Even Florian let some people press the key of his device. Not common to see this happen! It's usually only Ralf the one who lets people press the key. Excellent version of Pocket Calculator (Taschenrechner I mean :) All in all, well worth it the trip to be part of these events, and of course to meet many really nice people :) This is what I call the best KW convention! Jose Garcia "Sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed Jun 2 20:26:22 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA03768 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 2 Jun 1993 14:19:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199306021919.AA03768@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA03753 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 2 Jun 1993 14:19:28 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYWZ4AU4NK9X3HPJ@cc.uab.es>; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 20:26:22 GMT+0200 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 20:26:22 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: a KW week Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Well, here I am back to the university again, after one week off. As you will know, I went to see Kraftwerk and to meet people from the list and other KW fans. Well, on Tuesday I met people from the list, from the AKTIVITAET fanzine, from KLEM, and other fans. It was great. The concert in Groningen was a very small venue. Don't know how many people we were, maybe about 400 (???) I enjoyed the show a LOT. I felt into the music itself. The concert didn't show any big surprises, except for the song "The Man Machine" wich was performed for the first time, and a really good version I must say. The graphics for the song were very much into the artwork of "The Man Machine" LP. It was cool. The rest of songs, etc, quite the same as in the '91 tour, with some differences. For instance, Autobahn was a slower version. Musique non stop was also shorter than in the '91 tour, probably for the addition of The Man Machine to the set. All in all, great show. I was standing in front of the stage, second row. For the Pocket Calculator encore, I even got to press one of Ralf's keys ;) After the show I chatted with other fans, and later I went to see if I could talk to anyone of the KW guys and get their autographs. There were other people waiting for them also. When Florian went out of the hall by a backdoor and headed to his car I went to meet him and got him to sign my "The Mix" LP cover (dedicated "para Jose', Florian Schneider" :) and spoke with him for a few seconds. I asked him if they had NEW stuff and if they would play any of it in the following concerts. His answer was quite good and very clever. He said they were not playing any new tracks because if they did, they would see the light on a bootleg even before they released them themselves! He said he didn't like all the bootleg stuff that is making so much money from the fans and with such bad quality. He recognised the Zurich one was good. He also said they would come back to Barcelona ;) and Madrid. (His answer might mean they HAVE new stuff but are worried about the bootleggers. I hope it's true) He also answered other people's questions about the KW book wich I think has already been published. He said he had been not interviewed for the book and his interviews had been made up! Ralf came out of the hall and got immediately into his car, starting the engine. I thought I would not get his autograph! I walked to his car and asked him to sign my copy of "The mix", and he opened his window and did ( "Ralf Hutter fur Jose' " ;) I also got Henning and Fritz autographs. Of course the other people also got autographs :) After that, they were off for their hotel. It was really interesting to talk to Florian and I couldn't believe he was actually answering some of the questions. On Wednesday, people from AKTIVITAET and myself took the train to Gent in Belgium. There, we saw Florian walking in the streets, just as an unknown person! The show was pretty much the same, except for Numbers had a noticeable new synth line. The venue was not as small as in Groningen, and very hot. About 1000 people (????) Of course I met many people that had attended the show in Groningen. It was a good show, but not as good as Groningen. On Thursday we went to Osnabrueck. The venue was the biggest one. Maybe about 2000 people (????) The main difference in this show was they played the German versions of the song, but "The Man Machine" remained the same, as in the 2 previous concerts (half German half English). Computerwelt showed new graphics on the screens. Very nice. They had many problems with the sound. It was too low and didn't sound properly until Autobahn. Even Ralf forgot to sing some lines for they were in trouble and trying to fix some problems! It was a bit disappointing. Maybe as a compensation, the rendition of Pocket Calculator was a bit longer than usual, with a lot of improvisation. Even Florian let some people press the key of his device. Not common to see this happen! It's usually only Ralf the one who lets people press the key. Excellent version of Pocket Calculator (Taschenrechner I mean :) All in all, well worth it the trip to be part of these events, and of course to meet many really nice people :) This is what I call the best KW convention! Jose Garcia "Sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu Jun 3 10:41:03 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA02126 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 03:42:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199306030842.AA02126@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA02106 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 03:41:45 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYXSVYUO809VUL26@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 3 Jun 1993 10:41:03 GMT+0200 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 10:41:03 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: a KW week Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Sorry about the duplicated mail, but I didn't send two copies of it actually! Anyway, thanks a lot to all the people I met for their company and help. And to the people that were not able to see them, sorry about it. Maybe Die Mensch Maschine KW will be touring again soon? Jose Garcia Computer activity is in the net for you and me pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu Jun 3 10:45:01 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA02388 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 03:45:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199306030845.AA02388@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA02372 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 03:45:36 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYXT1F63B49X3J29@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 3 Jun 1993 10:45:01 GMT+0200 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 10:45:01 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Odd KW CD's Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Ferenc, that's why Florian said they didn't like all this bootlegs, but he recognised that they one from Zurich 91 was not bad (in fact, it's the best one I know from the '91 tour, and I'd say it's taken from soundboard). And once again, I recommend any of the CDs from the Japan '81 concert. It's also a soundboard recording. Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu Jun 3 13:23:03 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA29580 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 06:53:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199306031153.AA29580@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA29558 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 06:53:29 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYXXYQE95S9X3JW3@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 3 Jun 1993 13:23:03 GMT+0200 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 13:23:03 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: German language Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Really-From: "H." Boorsma > ... >Anyway, it would be interesting to discuss how important the knowledge of >the German language and culture is to fully understand KW. I myself think >it's *Essential*, even more since the concert, as you see them quoting >Nietsche. Well. My opinion is it is not essential. I think it can help you to "get the complete view" of KW attitude, but it's not essential. I don't even think it's essential to understand English. You know, when I first got into KW about 13 years ago, I didn't know more than 3 words in English, and wasn't able at all to speak in English, but THE MUSIC got to me. The only lyrics I was able to understand were the ones of Spacelab ;) The most important thing on KW is the music and the noises, that's of course my opinion. >And to german culture: Havin a ride on the Autobahn with appropriate >music can get you at higher spiritual levels. I did that 2 years ago :) >In general, I like the German versions of the albums better than the English >ones. They sound more European, and I think the KW music is *VERY* European. Well, I don't know which ones I like better. I don't understand German. I agree they sound different. > Gutentag, Hasta luego. Jose Garcia "One, two, one, two, four, six. Un, deux, trois" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu Jun 3 07:05:00 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00344 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 07:05:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199306031205.AA00344@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ee.tut.fi by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA00329 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 07:05:00 -0500 Received: by ee.tut.fi; id AA13094; Thu, 3 Jun 1993 15:04:58 +0300 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: German language Date: Thu, 3 Jun 93 15:04:57 EET DST In-Reply-To: <199306031153.AA29580@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Jun 3, 93 1:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: jhsa@ee.tut.fi (Salmij{rvi Janne) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Klang! Being not very cultural person myself I won't say anything about whether it's _important_ to understand _any_ language to appreaciate Kraftwerk. But I do point out one thing that might be obvious to some but not to everyone, like me until it was shown to me by a friend. It is nice to have both the English and Deutsche versions of the albums as they do differ on other things than just the lyrics. Not much but enough that the difference is noticeable. For example in 'Showroomdummies' the bassline begins differently. Other version has one note more than the other. If anyone has a complete list (or would be willing to make one) of the differences between E/D-albums I'd be more than grateful to have it. I want to know what albums I need/want to get in both languages and what not. :) Janne From kraftwerk-request Wed Jun 2 17:44:19 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22673 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 12:38:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199306031738.AA22673@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22657 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 12:38:21 -0500 Received: from epas.utoronto.ca ([128.100.160.1]) by gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca with SMTP id <18585>; Thu, 3 Jun 1993 13:38:06 -0400 Received: from problem by epas.utoronto.ca via UUCP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca!cs.uwp.edu!kraftwerk id AA15611; Thu, 3 Jun 93 13:37:29 -0400 Received: by problem.UUCP via UUCP with smail2.5.1 id <9306031240.AA10011>; 3 Jun 93 12:40:50 EDT (Thu) Received: from intacc (FirstClass[350026]) by intacc.uucp (PostalUnion/UUCP 1.0.8) id AA350026.4413; Thu, 03 Jun 1993 10:39:04 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Inter/Access, Arts Telecommunications & Media Centre, Toronto, ON, Canada Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 21:44:19 -0400 Subject: Re: A newbie Status: O Really-From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Gabe Yedid asks: >1) How old are Ralf and Florian now? (A debate could be started about them getting too old to do techno-style stuff) They appear to be in their late 40's/early 50's. Since Kraftwerk virtually invented the techno-pop type sound, one would be hard pressed in arguing against them doing it. >2) What is the group's current membership like? 4 members (at least for live stuff). Two are original (Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider) and I can't think of the new guys names. Karl Bartos quit the band about 3 years ago and formed another excellent band called 'Elektric Music'. >3) Are their first two albums (or any of the duo stuff) similar to the kind of stuff I heard on The Mix? The first two albums (Kraftwerk and Ralf & Florian) use mostly acoustic instruments. The music is nothing like the uptempo stuff that they would later be known for after 1977, but if you listened to each album in succesion, you would definitely hear the transition. >4) Is anything new from them on the horizon? Rumours mostly. They haven't been very prolific in the last 12 years. Only 2 albums, 1 single and 'The Mix'. Since you're totally new to Kraftwerk, perhaps you didn't know that 'The Mix' is sort of a greatest hits package of stuff from '74 - '86. The major difference of course is that Kraftwerk re-recorded all the songs and gave them (to various degrees) a more uptempo and electronic feel. The song 'RadioActivity' is the most radically changed song. Kraftwerk Discography: (early stuff I might have wrong) Kraftwerk Ralf and Florian Autobahn (1974) Exceller 8 (1974) RadioActivity (1975) Trans Europe Express (1977) The Man Machine (1978) Computer World (1981) Tour De France (1983) Electric Cafe (1986) The Mix (1990) Of course there have been the requisite 12" singles/remixes from most of albums. ferenc *********************************************************** This message was sent from MATRIX (intacc.uucp) The views expressed in this posting those of the individual author only. *********************************************************** From kraftwerk-request Thu Jun 3 10:24:18 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA28000 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 13:44:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199306031844.AA28000@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA27986 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 13:44:07 -0500 Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4518; Thu, 03 Jun 93 14:44:19 EDT Received: from WAYNEST1 (NJE origin EIVERSO@WAYNEST1) by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8444; Thu, 3 Jun 1993 14:44:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 93 14:24:18 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: El Lissitzky and KW (was KWeer?) In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 24 May 93 11:04:04 N Status: O Really-From: Eric Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Really-From: Rick Jansen >> In those Man Machine days Kraftwerk were quite inspired by >> the expressionist movement from the '20s and '30s. Saying they >> were the "children of Fritz Lang" and the like. Hence probably >> also they included the track Metropolis on the album, and the >> art work 'inspired by El Lissitzky'. The lip stick and white >> powder and epilated brows (indeed!) are simply part of this style. I've been interested in futurism and constructivism and similar movements for quite awhile (10-15 years) and I do also appreciate expressionism. I guess the only thing I can recall from Lang's time that involves lipstick on men's lips would be Weine's Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (Das Kabinet). In this film, Ceasare the sonambulist sports lipstick and a deathly white face among other makeup. Incidentally, Lang was the orignal choice for directing that film, but something came up--perhaps he left for America or something. Also, after pouring over my library's collection of books on El Lissitzky and other Russian artists whose futuristic creations date back to the late 19th century, I couldn't find any instances of men wearing lipstick in any context. :) El Lissitzky, of couse, was one of the few Russian artists who left to join the Bauhaus. The original cover art for the Man-Machine did indeed owe a lot to El Lissitzky. With the re-issue, that's all gone now. >Oh, and of course the fact that there are only three colours >in the Man Machine covers, black, red and white. What a concept. Fascist color scheme, one might say. >Rick --Eric From kraftwerk-request Thu Jun 3 10:54:14 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA29984 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 14:05:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199306031905.AA29984@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA29970 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 14:04:56 -0500 Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4544; Thu, 03 Jun 93 15:05:08 EDT Received: from WAYNEST1 (NJE origin EIVERSO@WAYNEST1) by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8614; Thu, 3 Jun 1993 15:05:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 93 14:54:14 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: a KW week In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 2 Jun 1993 20:26:22 GMT+0200 Status: O Really-From: Eric Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Thanks Jose for the wonderful in-depth description of your recent KW experiences. It almost made me feel like I was part of the goings-on. It was somewhat of a consolation for not being able to see KW here this year and possibly ever. I'm posting this to the list because I want everyone to know how much I appreciate such posts. --Eric.....non-stop "Now is the time on the Kraftwerk list when we dance! Auf Wiedersehen!" From kraftwerk-request Thu Jun 3 ,:15:36 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA14797 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 17:15:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199306032215.AA14797@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from xs4all.hacktic.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA14781 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 17:15:03 -0500 Received: by xs4all.hacktic.nl id AA20065 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Fri, 4 Jun 1993 00:13:36 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Kraftwerk discograpy Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 00:13:36 -40962758 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Really-From: bombuzal Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu A friend of mine ( Jeroen van Niftrik ) has made the best Kraftwerk discography I have seen until now. It contains 15-20 pages with all kinds of releases of Kraftwerk. There is still coming more information in this discography. Right now more than 300 items have been described ( including LP', CD', 12", 7" and all known bootlegs on LP and CD ). You can order this discography for 10 Dutch guilders. ( DM 10, US$ 6 ). Postage is not included in the price. A swap for a nice Kraftwerk items ( 7", 12" ) or something else would be even more nice for the effort he has put into this list until now. The list will NOT be available on Internet because of possible future Copyright problems. Anyone interested in this discography, please contact me. Peter van Dam From kraftwerk-request Thu Jun 3 14:35:52 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20092 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 18:40:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199306032340.AA20092@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vm.uwp.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20077 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 18:40:07 -0500 Received: from Altitude.CAM.ORG by VM.UWP.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 03 Jun 93 18:40:43 CST Received: by Altitude.CAM.ORG with PINE id AA07728 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Thu, 3 Jun 1993 19:39:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 19:35:52 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: El Lissitzky and KW (was KWeer?) X-Old-Cc: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu In-Reply-To: <199306031844.AA28000@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On Thu, 3 Jun 1993, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Eric > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > >Really-From: Rick Jansen > >Oh, and of course the fact that there are only three colours > >in the Man Machine covers, black, red and white. What a concept. > > Fascist color scheme, one might say. > > >Rick > > --Eric The cover of The Man-Machine was the first picture I ever saw of KW. It did prompt me to think of, "Live from the Reichstag, it's the Hitler Youth Review!" They really DID look the parts. Well OK, maybe not that extreme, but certainly the most grotesquely ultra-MODish getup I'd ever ever seen, such a stark contrast to the group photo on Autobahn. Gabe. From kraftwerk-request Fri Jun 4 04:09:45 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA27016 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 4 Jun 1993 08:24:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199306041324.AA27016@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dgbt.banyan.doc.ca ([142.92.36.75]) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA27005 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 4 Jun 1993 08:24:44 -0500 Received: by dgbt.banyan.doc.ca with VINES ; Fri, 4 Jun 93 09:22:30 EDT Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 08:09:45 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Discography X-Old-Cc: Status: O Really-From: Richard=Paiement%DCN%DGBT=CRC=ADMSR@dgbt.banyan.doc.ca Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Peter van Dam writes: >A friend of mine ( Jeroen van Niftrik ) has made the best Kraftwerk >discography I have seen until now. It contains 15-20 pages with all kinds >of releases of Kraftwerk. There is still coming more information in this >discography. Right now more than 300 items have been described ( including >LP', CD', 12", 7" and all known bootlegs on LP and CD ). > >You can order this discography for 10 Dutch guilders. ( DM 10, US$ 6 ). >Postage is not included in the price. A swap for a nice Kraftwerk items ( 7", >12" ) or something else would be even more nice for the effort he has put >into this list until now. The list will NOT be available on Internet >because of possible future Copyright problems. > >Anyone interested in this discography, please contact me. (As a regular reader and a rare poster, I'm really sorry for interrupting,) (considering that some of you may see this as slightly negative.) I would love to have a copy of such a discography, but am in no way interested in paying or trading for plain paper. I realize that 15-20 pages is quite a lot,but I feel your friend should share it with fellow KWians, as I and others have done with discographies of other groups. The recognition from the fan community should be in itself sufficient, I think, to justify this being available on Internet. Furthermore, I don't see how a discography could be involved in copyright problems, as it only contains publicly available information. Should I be thinking of copyrighting my contributions? Sincerely, Richard From kraftwerk-request Fri Jun 4 06:43:14 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA05719 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 4 Jun 1993 11:19:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199306041619.AA05719@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from msupa.pa.msu.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA05682 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 4 Jun 1993 11:19:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 10:43:14 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: discography X-Vmsmail-To: MX%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Status: O Really-From: MCINTYRE@MSUPA.PA.MSU.EDU Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Really-From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) >Kraftwerk Discography: >(early stuff I might have wrong) >Kraftwerk >Ralf and Florian >Autobahn (1974) >Exceller 8 (1974) >RadioActivity (1975) >Trans Europe Express (1977) >The Man Machine (1978) >Computer World (1981) >Tour De France (1983) >Electric Cafe (1986) >The Mix (1990) >Of course there have been the requisite 12" singles/remixes from most of >albums. Actually there were two albums before _Ralf and Florian_. _Kraftwerk_ had a red traffic cone on the cover, and _Kraftwerk 2_ had a green cone. _Kraftwerk_ had two drummers plus Ralf and Florian, while _Kraftwerk 2_ was credited to just Ralf and Florian. The two albums were reissued as a double album, so that might be what you were referencing, but in original release, they were two separate albums. Ralf and Florian also had a band before Kraftwerk called Organisation. I have a French pressing of a 1970 album entitled _Tone Float_ that sounds very much like the early pre-Autobahn stuff. Does anyone know of other releases by Organisation? To my knowledge, _Autobahn_ is the earliest Kraftwerk material available on CD. Can someone please prove me wrong? 8-) John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University From kraftwerk-request Fri Jun 4 19:29:17 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA10855 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 4 Jun 1993 12:29:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199306041729.AA10855@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA10831 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 4 Jun 1993 12:29:41 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYZPIQWBHS9VULUM@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 4 Jun 1993 19:29:17 GMT+0200 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 19:29:17 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: discography Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > MCINTYRE@MSUPA.PA.MSU.EDU > >Ralf and Florian also had a band before Kraftwerk called Organisation. I >have a French pressing of a 1970 album entitled _Tone Float_ that sounds >very much like the early pre-Autobahn stuff. Does anyone know of other >releases by Organisation? Organisation was the first band in which Ralf & Florian released material. The only record of this band is "Organisation", an LP that was only released in UK, as far as I know. This item is the most pricey KW item. The French pressing you have might be a counterfeit release ??? Please send more details, and a review if possible. >To my knowledge, _Autobahn_ is the earliest Kraftwerk material available >on CD. Can someone please prove me wrong? 8-) No. You're not wrong :( >John McIntyre Jose Garcia "Computer activity is in the net for you and me" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Fri Jun 4 08:18:27 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA01199 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 4 Jun 1993 17:22:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199306042222.AA01199@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA01189 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 4 Jun 1993 17:22:27 -0500 Received: by orion.oac.uci.edu id AA07693 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk mailing list ); Fri, 4 Jun 1993 15:22:21 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 15:18:27 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: discography In-Reply-To: <199306041619.AA05719@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Jonathan Komar Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > To my knowledge, _Autobahn_ is the earliest Kraftwerk material available > on CD. Can someone please prove me wrong? 8-) > When CD's first became popluar, Capitol records also published "The Man Machine" on CD with the same cover as original vinyl record. I managed to get the last copy of this CD that had been buried in a CD store near my school. I'll have to say that I like the new cover of this album better. Another thing about the discography, someone forgot to mention "The Model", which doesn't contain any new material of course, but is a part of the Kraftwerk album collection. Jonathan Komar From kraftwerk-request Fri Jun 4 19:21:25 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA07431 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 4 Jun 1993 19:21:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199306050021.AA07431@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ucrmath.ucr.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA07421 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 4 Jun 1993 19:21:25 -0500 Received: by ucrmath.ucr.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21351; Fri, 4 Jun 93 17:31:28 PDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: discography Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 17:31:27 BST In-Reply-To: <199306041729.AA10855@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Jun 4, 93 7:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Status: O Really-From: kzim@ucrmath.ucr.edu (christopher zimmerman) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Really-From: Jose Garcia > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > > MCINTYRE@MSUPA.PA.MSU.EDU > > > >Ralf and Florian also had a band before Kraftwerk called Organisation. I > >have a French pressing of a 1970 album entitled _Tone Float_ that sounds > >very much like the early pre-Autobahn stuff. Does anyone know of other > >releases by Organisation? > > Organisation was the first band in which Ralf & Florian released material. > The only record of this band is "Organisation", an LP that was only released > in UK, as far as I know. This item is the most pricey KW item. > The French pressing you have might be a counterfeit release ??? > Ummmm, wrong. "Tone Float" is the name of the album. I don't have it, but would do lots of gross things to get a copy. As we're on the subject of weird albums, could someone describe for me the covers of the various "greatest hits" packages (Exceller 8, Elektokinetic, etc). I have one called "Robots" released by Capitol in 1986, no doubt to capitalize on the "success" of "Electric Cafe." The cover photo is one of those "Man-Machine" era pix, complete with four neon names, and resembles one of the ones they dug up for the "Model" CD. I got it for $3.99 in the bargain bin, and that's just about what it's worth...eight edits of Capitol-era tracks...whee...and a harbinger of rereleases to come. Christopher Robin Zimmerman From kraftwerk-request Fri Jun 4 16:29:21 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA16808 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 4 Jun 1993 23:29:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199306050429.AA16808@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from triton.unm.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA16797 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 4 Jun 1993 23:29:23 -0500 Received: by triton.unm.edu (5.65/0.1) id ; Fri, 4 Jun 1993 22:29:22 -0600 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Discography Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 22:29:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Old-Cc: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu In-Reply-To: <199306041324.AA27016@cs.uwp.edu> from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Jun 4, 93 08:09:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Really-From: Lazlo Nibble Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Furthermore, I don't see how a discography could be involved in copyright > problems, as it only contains publicly available information. Should I be > thinking of copyrighting my contributions? You'd be wasting your time -- simple facts can't be copyrighted. If someone were to buy the discog in question and import any new data it provides into another preexisting discography, there's nothing anyone could do about it. (You can claim a compilation copyright on a body of facts you've gathered, though, so it *would* be illegal to simply type the guy's discog in and start passing it around. You can only do what you like with the individual elements.) When compiling discographies, it's also damned impolite not to acknowledge significant sources. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) From kraftwerk-request Sat Jun 5 04:35:07 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA25661 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 5 Jun 1993 04:35:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199306050935.AA25661@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from hpd.lut.ac.uk by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA25651 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 5 Jun 1993 04:35:07 -0500 Received: from hpl.lut.ac.uk by hpd.lut.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Jun 93 10:34:35 bst Received: by hpl.lut.ac.uk (15.11/SMI-4.1) id AA15779; Sat, 5 Jun 93 10:34:36 bst From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: I'VE GOT A FREE DISCOGRAPHY Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 10:34:35 BST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0 (LUT)] Status: O Really-From: Steev Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu ..does that make you feel better? Well. Seeing as no one else has mentioned this I though I would... ...ANYONE (on Internet) can get a VERY COMPLETE discography of Kraftwerk by ftp. The site is CS.UWP.EDU or FTP.UWP.EDU (I've used both), and can be obtained by typing: cd kraftwerk get discog It will then appear in your directory at whichever computer system you are logged into. It's 52.8K long and contains all singles/albums and some bootlegs complete with catalogue numbers, track listings and timings. Its free! Its amazing! Its complete! and its by David Datta (administrator of this 'ere list) Steev S.Goodwin1@lut.ac.uk Definition of Mistake: A correct assumption... P.S. You can only copyright the layout of information in a discography. But if you simply re-type it a source MUST be given. From kraftwerk-request Fri Jun 4 17:23:12 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA28566 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 5 Jun 1993 07:07:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199306051207.AA28566@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from web.apc.org by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA28555 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 5 Jun 1993 07:07:32 -0500 Received: from intacc by web.apc.org with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0o1wti-0000AsC; Sat, 5 Jun 93 11:58 GMT Received: from intacc (FirstClass[350026]) by intacc.uucp (PostalUnion/UUCP 1.0.8) id AA350026.4555; Sat, 05 Jun 1993 04:02:28 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Inter/Access, Arts Telecommunications & Media Centre, Toronto, ON, Canada Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1993 22:23:12 EST Subject: Re: discography Status: O Really-From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Christopher Robin Zimmerman asks: >As we're on the subject of weird albums, could someone describe for me the >covers of the various "greatest hits" packages (Exceller 8, Elektokinetic, >etc). Exceller 8 came out in 1974 and has the following tunes: Ruckzack, KlingKlang, Vom Himmel Hoch, Stratovarius (from the LP 'Kraftwerk'), Autobahn (only 3:09), Comet Melody (from the LP 'Autobahn') and Tongegirge, Kristalia (from the LP 'Ralf & Florian'). The cover is a color drawing of a two lane highway going off into the distance. Above are dark clouds and in the distance there is a pair of headlights coming toward the front, and a volcano (or a regualar mountain; the spewage coming out of it isn't all that obvious or intense). The back cover is sort of the same thing, except the view is I suppose meant to be 180 degrees the opposite direction (less to see but there is the sun or moon in a very dark sky) ferenc *********************************************************** This message was sent from MATRIX (intacc.uucp) The views expressed in this posting those of the individual author only. *********************************************************** From kraftwerk-request Fri Jun 4 17:11:29 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA28578 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 5 Jun 1993 07:07:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199306051207.AA28578@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from web.apc.org by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA28567 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 5 Jun 1993 07:07:37 -0500 Received: from intacc by web.apc.org with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0o1wtg-00003pC; Sat, 5 Jun 93 11:58 GMT Received: from intacc (FirstClass[350026]) by intacc.uucp (PostalUnion/UUCP 1.0.8) id AA350026.4551; Sat, 05 Jun 1993 04:02:10 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Inter/Access, Arts Telecommunications & Media Centre, Toronto, ON, Canada Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1993 22:11:29 EST Subject: Re: discography Status: O Really-From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >John McIntyre says: >To my knowledge, _Autobahn_ is the earliest Kraftwerk material available >on CD. Can someone please prove me wrong? 8-) I wish I could. I've looked high and low (along with a few other fellow KWers) and nothing before Autobahn is available. Here in Toronto there are some excellent importers, which means that they probably aren't available anywhere. ferenc *********************************************************** This message was sent from MATRIX (intacc.uucp) The views expressed in this posting those of the individual author only. *********************************************************** From kraftwerk-request Sat Jun 5 07:46:16 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA11865 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 5 Jun 1993 14:46:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199306051946.AA11865@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from triton.unm.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA11855 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 5 Jun 1993 14:46:18 -0500 Received: by triton.unm.edu (5.65/0.1) id ; Sat, 5 Jun 1993 13:46:16 -0600 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Longboxed discs? Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 13:46:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Old-Cc: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu In-Reply-To: <199306051207.AA28578@cs.uwp.edu> from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Jun 4, 93 10:11:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Really-From: Lazlo Nibble Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Someone here was looking for longboxed versions of KW CDs? Please email me . . . -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) From kraftwerk-request Sat Jun 5 17:14:04 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA16340 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 5 Jun 1993 21:20:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199306060220.AA16340@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vm.uwp.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA16327 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 5 Jun 1993 21:20:55 -0500 Received: from Altitude.CAM.ORG by VM.UWP.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sat, 05 Jun 93 21:21:31 CST Received: by Altitude.CAM.ORG with PINE id AA16287 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Sat, 5 Jun 1993 22:20:42 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 22:14:04 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Electric Cafe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I finally saw a copy of Electric Cafe today. The cover was almost as garish as the original one of The Man Machine, what with the computer-generated heads and all that accentuated the grotesque Metropolis-like makeup. The version of Music Non Stop on it was radically different from the one I heard on The Mix, with different timing and maybe even in a different key. The version on The Mix is like a compression of the whole first side of EC into about 7 minutes or so (at least that's how it struck me). Just what kind of "success" did EC have, anyway? Gabe Yedid From kraftwerk-request Sat Jun 5 17:06:36 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20382 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 5 Jun 1993 22:06:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199306060306.AA20382@cs.uwp.edu> Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20372 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk); Sat, 5 Jun 1993 22:06:36 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 22:06:36 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Kraftwerk discograpy Newsgroups: uwp.maillist.kraftwerk Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Status: O Really-From: David Datta Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu : Really-From: bombuzal : A friend of mine ( Jeroen van Niftrik ) has made the best Kraftwerk : discography I have seen until now. It contains 15-20 pages with all kinds : of releases of Kraftwerk. There is still coming more information in this : discography. Right now more than 300 items have been described ( including : LP', CD', 12", 7" and all known bootlegs on LP and CD ). Well, my discography is available via FTP from ftp.uwp.edu in /pub/music/discog/k/kraftwerk If I print it out, it is 40 pages long, I don't have any idea how many items are in it.. From kraftwerk-request Sat Jun 5 17:08:40 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20555 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 5 Jun 1993 22:08:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199306060308.AA20555@cs.uwp.edu> Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20543 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk); Sat, 5 Jun 1993 22:08:40 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 22:08:40 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Kraftwerk discograpy Newsgroups: uwp.maillist.kraftwerk Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Status: O Really-From: David Datta Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In article <1993Jun3.221529.14841@cs.uwp.edu> you wrote: : Really-From: bombuzal : into this list until now. The list will NOT be available on Internet : because of possible future Copyright problems. I forgot to mention in the last mail. The only thing your friend can copyright is the presentation of the information and any editorial he has written. The facts of release dates, titles, tracks, etc are 100% public domain and public information and as such cannot be copyrighted. From kraftwerk-request Wed Jun 5 .:46:09 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA24102 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 05:45:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199306061045.AA24102@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from xs4all.hacktic.nl ([193.78.33.42]) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA24092 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 05:45:42 -0500 Received: by xs4all.hacktic.nl id AA25891 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 12:44:10 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Kraftwerk discograpy Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 12:44:09 -40962758 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199306060308.AA20555@cs.uwp.edu> from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Jun 5, 93 10:08:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Really-From: bombuzal Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Really-From: David Datta > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > In article <1993Jun3.221529.14841@cs.uwp.edu> you wrote: > : Really-From: bombuzal > > : into this list until now. The list will NOT be available on Internet > : because of possible future Copyright problems. > > I forgot to mention in the last mail. The only thing your friend can > copyright is the presentation of the information and any editorial he > has written. The facts of release dates, titles, tracks, etc are 100% > public domain and public information and as such cannot be copyrighted. > I think you are right about the copyright issue. I will ask Jeroen or he will make an electronic version of the list. Until now he only sold the lists to non-internet Kraftwerk collectors. The money he asks is mainly for the reproduction costs ( It's not just a copy, but a nice looking booklet ). Greetings, Peter van Dam From kraftwerk-request Wed Jun 5 /:08:55 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA24959 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 06:22:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199306061122.AA24959@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from xs4all.hacktic.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA24708 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 06:08:22 -0500 Received: by xs4all.hacktic.nl id AA26628 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 13:06:57 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Kraftwerk and TD live cd's Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 13:06:55 -40962758 (MET DST) X-Old-Cc: tadream@cs.uwp.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Really-From: bombuzal Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I can obtain the next live CD's of Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream for a reasonable price. You can buy them from me. The titles which will be available are : Kraftwerk * - Hyper Cerebral Machine Kraftwerk - Virtu Ex Machina ( Live Tokyo '81 ) Kraftwerk - Nippon ( Same Music as Virtu Ex Machina ) Kraftwerk * - The Remix ( all kind of remixes, no live CD ) Kraftwerk * - Heute Abend ( 2CD ) Kraftwerk * - Computers in love ( 2CD ) ( Live Belgium ) Kraftwerk - Live Dusseldorf '91 ( 2CD ) Kraftwerk - Rebuilt in 91 ( Same music as Dusseldorf ) ( 2CD ) Kraftwerk * - Enregistre Live A l'Olympia Tangerine Dream - Dreaming on Danforth Avenue Tangerine Dream - Antarktis Tangerine Dream - Mystery Tracks * = Only 1 or 2 CD's available The prices will be US$ 19, DM 33 or Hfl 35 for one CD, and US$ 34, DM 60 or Hfl 65 for a 2CD set. Postage is not included in the price. Contact me on bombuzal@hacktic.nl Greetings. From kraftwerk-request Wed Jun 5 ):32:21 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00419 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 10:32:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199306061532.AA00419@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from xs4all.hacktic.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA00408 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 10:31:55 -0500 Received: by xs4all.hacktic.nl id AA05041 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 17:30:24 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Description The Remix Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 17:30:21 -40962758 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Really-From: bombuzal Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu From kraftwerk-request Wed Jun 5 ):33:58 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00540 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 10:33:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199306061533.AA00540@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from xs4all.hacktic.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA00528 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 10:33:41 -0500 Received: by xs4all.hacktic.nl id AA05245 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 17:32:07 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Description Virtu ex Machina Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 17:31:58 -40962758 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Really-From: bombuzal Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu From kraftwerk-request Wed Jun 5 +:55:44 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06151 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 12:55:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199306061755.AA06151@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from xs4all.hacktic.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06141 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 12:55:11 -0500 Received: by xs4all.hacktic.nl id AA13757 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 19:53:47 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Description The Remix Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 19:53:44 -40962758 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199306061532.AA00419@cs.uwp.edu> from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Jun 6, 93 05:30:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Really-From: bombuzal Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Sorry I forgot to include the text. Here it is : Title : Kraftwerk - The Remix Description : Remixes of More recent Kraftwerk Tracks. Sound Quality : 9 Duration : 71:00 No. of Tracks : 11 Label : Smurf Smurfcd92-05 Released : 1992 Medium : CD Cover : Nice live photo ---------------------------------------------------------------- Track Information : 1 - Computerwelt Razormaid-Mix 10:00 2 - Das model Razormaid-Edit 2:26 3 - Sex Objekt Razormaid-Mix 7:41 4 - Pocket Calculator MIXX-IT Remix 6:33 5 - The Telephone Call Razormaid-Mix 6:48 6 - The Mix-Medley Razormaid-Mix 13:18 7 - Re-Werked Musicfactory Master Mix 4:39 8 - Sex Object Techno Pop Version 4:02 9 - Tour De France Disconet Remix 5:33 !! 10 - Electric Cafe Mixx-It Remix 5:06 11 - Technopop Demo Version 4:19 The tracks 3, 6, 7 and 11 have also been released on The 2CD Live Dusseldorf Philipshalle. ( or the similar 2CD Rebuilt ) From kraftwerk-request Wed Jun 5 +:57:27 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06306 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 12:57:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199306061757.AA06306@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from xs4all.hacktic.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06295 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 12:57:00 -0500 Received: by xs4all.hacktic.nl id AA13793 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 19:55:33 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Description Virtu ex Machina Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 19:55:27 -40962758 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199306061533.AA00540@cs.uwp.edu> from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Jun 6, 93 05:31:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Really-From: bombuzal Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Sorry I forgot to include the text. Here it is : Title : Kraftwerk - Virtu ex Machina Description : Bootleg of the 7-9-1981 concert in Tokyo Japan. Sound Quality : 8 Duration : 73:00 No. of Tracks : 11 Label : Deutch-Japanische Freundschaft KLON 1992001 Released : 1992 Medium : CD Cover : Old Man-Machine cover, slightly altered. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Track Information : 1 - Beethoven-Intro ( NON-Kraftwerk, W.Carlos ) 2 - Numbers 3 - Computerworld 4 - Computerlove 5 - Homecomputer 6 - Neonlights 7 - Showroom Dummies 8 - Trans Europe Express 9 - The Robots 10 - It's more fun to compute From kraftwerk-request Mon Jun 7 03:16:41 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA03621 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 03:16:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199306070816.AA03621@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ee.tut.fi by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA03610 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 03:16:41 -0500 Received: by ee.tut.fi; id AA27067; Mon, 7 Jun 1993 11:16:38 +0300 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Electric Cafe Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 11:16:37 EET DST In-Reply-To: <199306060220.AA16340@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Jun 6, 93 5:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: jhsa@ee.tut.fi (Salmij{rvi Janne) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Just what kind of "success" did EC have, anyway? I don't know about the worldwide success but at least in Finland (if anyone is interested) EC visited the top20 charts. Don't remember how high (could've been top5) and how long (couple of weeks probably or more). From the posts here I've got the impression the EC wasn't very succesful and could've even been a flop. Someone probably will verify/deny this I hope :) Janne From kraftwerk-request Mon Jun 7 04:08:53 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06653 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 04:09:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199306070909.AA06653@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06642 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 04:08:53 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 7 Jun 93 11:09 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA161942, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: El Lissitzky and KW (was KWeer?) In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 03 Jun 93 14:24:18 EDT. <199306031844.AA28000@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 93 11:07:20 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In message <199306031844.AA28000@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Really-From: Eric > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > >Really-From: Rick Jansen > > >> In those Man Machine days Kraftwerk were quite inspired by > >> the expressionist movement from the '20s and '30s. Saying they > >> were the "children of Fritz Lang" and the like. Hence probably > >> also they included the track Metropolis on the album, and the > >> art work 'inspired by El Lissitzky'. The lip stick and white > >> powder and epilated brows (indeed!) are simply part of this style. > Lang was the orignal choice for directing that film, > but something came up--perhaps he left for America or something. Indeed he left for America. Nazi propaganda minister Goebbels 'invited' Lang to make "The Nazi Film", after having seen Metropolis with some other nazi top men. Lang wasn't very charmed by the nazis and fled to the US that same night. Lang was married to Thea von Harbou, who actually wrote the novel Metropolis. Von Harbou *was* involved with the nazis and stayed in Germany. I think I read somewhere they were estranged and never met again. Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl The young man stepped into the Hall of Modules... From kraftwerk-request Mon Jun 7 04:15:26 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06972 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 04:15:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199306070915.AA06972@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06960 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 04:15:26 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 7 Jun 93 11:15 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA162158, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: Description The Remix In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 06 Jun 93 19:53:44 GMT. <199306061755.AA06151@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 93 11:13:52 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In message <199306061755.AA06151@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Really-From: bombuzal > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Sorry I forgot to include the text. Here it is : > > Title : Kraftwerk - The Remix Hee, ik wil die cds al een tijdje graag hebben maar ben nog niet erg op zoek geweest. Kan ik ze van jou bekomen? Alvast dank! -Rick. From kraftwerk-request Mon Jun 7 12:12:47 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA29477 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 05:13:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199306071013.AA29477@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA28996 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 05:13:11 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GZ3H7VOMO09VUMQ7@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 7 Jun 1993 12:12:47 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 12:12:47 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Kraftwerk discograpy Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: David Datta > > Well, my discography is available via FTP from ftp.uwp.edu in > /pub/music/discog/k/kraftwerk It has many mistakes, especially on the Spanish releases! :) I'd like to contribute to improve it, but I don't find the time :( I'll try to, anyway. On a side note, David. If you find the time ;) please send the statistics about people who are subscribed to this list, as you did some time ago. If you don't do it, I will understand, as I know what being busy means. Jose Garcia From kraftwerk-request Mon Jun 7 12:25:21 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22695 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 05:25:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199306071025.AA22695@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22295 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 05:25:41 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GZ3HM69UGG9VUKYG@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 7 Jun 1993 12:25:21 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 12:25:21 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: discography Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Christopher Robin Zimmerman asks: >As we're on the subject of weird albums, could someone describe for me the >covers of the various "greatest hits" packages (Exceller 8, Elektokinetic, >etc). There's an excellent article about the worldwide compilation albums in the fanzine AKTIVITAET, issue 2 I think. It also has illustrations for some of the covers. By the way, there are several mistakes on the track listings on many of the KW compilations. Ruckzack should be Ruckzuck, wich is sth. totally different. To the guy who said he sees "Ralf & Florian" very often in Canada, do get it, as it is a rare album, and quite a good one in my opinion. Not as psychedelic and experimental as KW 1 and KW 2, but nearer to Autobahn... Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon Jun 7 11:46:07 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA02255 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 06:28:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199306071128.AA02255@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA02244 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 06:27:56 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GZ3GBIFKS09VUMPJ@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 7 Jun 1993 11:46:07 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 11:46:07 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Kraftwerk discograpy Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: bombuzal > > I think you are right about the copyright issue. I will ask Jeroen or he > will make an electronic version of the list. That would be great, and I think this way anybody could help to improve Jeroen's discography. > The money he asks is mainly for the reproduction costs. Yes, I think it hardly covers the cost of photocopies! > Greetings, > Peter van Dam Jose Garcia "Sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" pepe@ctivax.uab.es -Technopop- From kraftwerk-request Mon Jun 7 10:05:48 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA11560 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 09:16:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199306071416.AA11560@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from guardian.apple.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA11546 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 09:16:08 -0500 Received: from [90.1.0.15] by guardian.apple.com with SMTP (5.65/7-Aug-1992-eef) id AA27870; Mon, 7 Jun 93 07:11:13 -0700 for Received: from magic-bbs.corp.apple.com by jumbo.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/26-Oct-1992-eef) id AA00660; Mon, 7 Jun 93 07:10:47 PDT for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Received: from MAGIC (32688) by magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1 TNG I) id AA32688.894038; Mon, 07 Jun 1993 09:10:30 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1993 15:05:48 EST Subject: Re: discography Status: O Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Something you may or may not find interesting about the album Ralf&Florian... I picked it up in a small record store here in downtown Toronto, Ontario, Canada, and paid $25 for it. Big deal, eh? Well, IT WAS NEVER USED. It was still in ITS ORIGINAL WRAPPER. It was never played, and has since been played once, I re-sealed it, and now it is in a safe place! I taped it though. bml From kraftwerk-request Mon Jun 7 23:08:54 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA05348 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 15:51:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199306072051.AA05348@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from xs4all.hacktic.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA05321 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 15:50:59 -0500 Received: by xs4all.hacktic.nl id AA14167 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Mon, 7 Jun 1993 21:08:54 +0200 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 21:08:54 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Kraftwerk discograpy Status: O Really-From: bombuzal Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu From kraftwerk-request Tue Jun 8 09:23:01 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA29564 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 8 Jun 1993 12:26:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199306081726.AA29564@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from msupa.pa.msu.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA29554 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 8 Jun 1993 12:26:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 13:23:01 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Organisation X-Vmsmail-To: MX%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Status: O Really-From: MCINTYRE@MSUPA.PA.MSU.EDU Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Really-From: Jose Garcia >> MCINTYRE@MSUPA.PA.MSU.EDU >> >>Ralf and Florian also had a band before Kraftwerk called Organisation. I >>have a French pressing of a 1970 album entitled _Tone Float_ that sounds >>very much like the early pre-Autobahn stuff. Does anyone know of other >>releases by Organisation? >Organisation was the first band in which Ralf & Florian released material. >The only record of this band is "Organisation", an LP that was only released >in UK, as far as I know. This item is the most pricey KW item. >The French pressing you have might be a counterfeit release ??? >Please send more details, and a review if possible. What I have is not a French bootleg, it's a faulty memory. 8-) Sure enough when I pull the record off the shelves, it clearly says "RCA London". Sorry if my misstatement got anyone excited. It's dated 1970 and the catalog number is SF8111. "Tone Float" takes up all of side one. Side two has "Milk Rock", "Silver Forest", "Rhythm Salad", and "Noitasinagro". Personnel is listed as Ralf Hutter - organ, Basil Hammoudi - glockenspiel, conga gong, musical box, bangos, voice, Florian Schneider-Esleben - electric flute, alto flute, bell, triangle, tambourine, electroviolin, Butch Hauf - bass, shaky tube, small bells, plastic hammer, and Fred Monicks - drums, bongos, maracas, cowbell, tambourine. Produced and engineered by Conrad Plank and Organisation. And down in the lower left corner of the back cover is a red and white traffic cone. 8-) John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University Date: Wed, 9 Jun 93 04:00:10 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #100 Kraftwerk Digest Wed, 9 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 100 Today's Topics: "Kraftwerk" (2 msgs) Organisation ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 13:52:55 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: "Kraftwerk" To: kraftwerk Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Given my shaky German, does "Kraftwerk" mean something like "power station" or "power plant"? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 22:58:39 -40962758 (MET DST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: "Kraftwerk" To: kraftwerk Really-From: bombuzal Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Given my shaky German, does "Kraftwerk" mean something like "power station" or > "power plant"? Ja, das stimmt. ( Yes you're right about that ). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 13:23:01 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Organisation To: kraftwerk Really-From: MCINTYRE@MSUPA.PA.MSU.EDU Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Really-From: Jose Garcia >> MCINTYRE@MSUPA.PA.MSU.EDU >> >>Ralf and Florian also had a band before Kraftwerk called Organisation. I >>have a French pressing of a 1970 album entitled _Tone Float_ that sounds >>very much like the early pre-Autobahn stuff. Does anyone know of other >>releases by Organisation? >Organisation was the first band in which Ralf & Florian released material. >The only record of this band is "Organisation", an LP that was only released >in UK, as far as I know. This item is the most pricey KW item. >The French pressing you have might be a counterfeit release ??? >Please send more details, and a review if possible. What I have is not a French bootleg, it's a faulty memory. 8-) Sure enough when I pull the record off the shelves, it clearly says "RCA London". Sorry if my misstatement got anyone excited. It's dated 1970 and the catalog number is SF8111. "Tone Float" takes up all of side one. Side two has "Milk Rock", "Silver Forest", "Rhythm Salad", and "Noitasinagro". Personnel is listed as Ralf Hutter - organ, Basil Hammoudi - glockenspiel, conga gong, musical box, bangos, voice, Florian Schneider-Esleben - electric flute, alto flute, bell, triangle, tambourine, electroviolin, Butch Hauf - bass, shaky tube, small bells, plastic hammer, and Fred Monicks - drums, bongos, maracas, cowbell, tambourine. Produced and engineered by Conrad Plank and Organisation. And down in the lower left corner of the back cover is a red and white traffic cone. 8-) John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 04:00:10 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #101 Kraftwerk Digest Thu, 10 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 101 Today's Topics: "Kraftwerk" 'bitten' KW samples & remixes Electric Music Lyrics German Language / Re: Kraftwerk (2 msgs) Old Vinyl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Jun 93 11:10:35 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: "Kraftwerk" To: kraftwerk Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In message <199306082100.AA19194@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Really-From: bombuzal > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > > Given my shaky German, does "Kraftwerk" mean something like "power station" or power plant? Also the German word 'werk' means something like a 'piece of work' or 'piece of art' and the like. A painting is a 'werk', a book is a 'werk'. Another 'werk' is the mechanism of, for example, a clock (--> clockwork?). Musically 'Werk' also is an 'organ register'. There is another German expression related to 'werk': 'Gesamtkunstwerk', which is, if applied to performing on stage, 'total theatre'. That is, a work of art including lots of art forms, Music, dance, film, video, effects and anything you can imagine. Thats exactly what Kraftwerk does. This combined with the fact that Kraftwerk also means power station could explain the name. So it's more than just power station if you get my drift. Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl The young man stepped into the Hall of Modules... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 93 18:40:33 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: 'bitten' KW samples & remixes To: kraftwerk Really-From: Trevor Eaton Cordes Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I'm not quite sure how to reply to a message that was in the digest, so I'm just posting a new one. I just wanted to add to the discussion of "Numbers" remixes by other-than-KW groups that Techmaster P.E.B did a cool remix of Numbers called "Bass By Numbers" on his _Bass Computer_ CD. IMHO, an excellent modern rendition. I didn't think it was that great when I first heard it, but I quickly found that it's one of those songs which grows on you... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 21:16:31 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Electric Music Lyrics To: kraftwerk Really-From: David Datta Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Well, the first draft/run through of the lyrics for 'Esperanto' are in the music archives: ftp ftp.uwp.edu username: anonymous password: youraddress@yoursite cd electric.music cd lyrics get esperanto. I will also e-mail them to anyone who is interested. E-mail requests to datta@cs.uwp.edu, not the list.... Corrections/comments are needed! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 93 12:06:48 METDST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: German Language / Re: Kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Really-From: "H." Boorsma Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu When I read Terre's question: >Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz >Really-From: bombuzal >> Given my shaky German, does "Kraftwerk" mean something like "power station" >> or "power plant"? >Ja, das stimmt. ( Yes you're right about that ). I again start thinking that understanding German is important while listening to KW. I disagree with Jose's reaction on a previous note of mine that I quote here: >Really-From: Jose Garcia >>Really-From: "H." Boorsma >>Anyway, it would be interesting to discuss how important the knowledge of >>the German language and culture is to fully understand KW. I myself think >>it's *Essential*, even more since the concert, as you see them quoting >>Nietsche. >Well. My opinion is it is not essential. I think it can help you to >"get the complete view" of KW attitude, but it's not essential. >I don't even think it's essential to understand English. I agree, music can be an international language in which words are not impor- tant. But in special cases things can become different. This is because products of the human spirit are linked to the area where they come from. I for example don't think that Dutch people could play/dance flamenco as well as Spaniards. For KW this doesn't hold, you might say, for their music seems to be defined by the western industrialized world. That does not mean a certain place. Still I think there is more differentiation. You can easily tell what's a German car or an American type (or could until recently). Also, the Ruhrgebiet differs from Detroit (never been there, but I guess) or the Rotterdam harbour. Now I give you two examples to show langauge is important: ***** Clrearly Subjective example: The word Kraftwerk sounds to me very different from the English word Power Station or Power Plant. "Kraftwerk" sounds more misterious to me, deeper & darker. ***** (More or less) Objective example: If you can't understand german, you'll probably miss the point in the track Man Machine. Only in the german version, that I first heard at the concert in Groningen, you hear: "Die Mensch Machine, halb Wesen und halb *Ueber*ding" (The Man Machine, half being and half 'over'being) ('Ueber' was flashing on the screen, therefore the *'s) This clearly refers to the German philosofer Nietsche who spoke about the "Uebermensch" (Ueber = over, higer, better; Mensch = Man) as the next stage in human evolution. I won't say more about Nietsche's work, for I am not very aquainted to it. But anyway, the Nazi's misused Nietsche's ideas and declared the German Race as the Uebermensch, and thereby the people inferior. If I explain the text & idea of Man-Machine this way, it gets apart from the futuristic, techonological meaning also a side of threat. This impression becomes even stronger if you look at the artwork on the cover: The hopeful new time after the Russian revolution when a new art was being developed, was soon to be overshadowed by Stalinism......So will the nice technique we develop here at the university be used for arms and security services (Interpol, FBI, Scotland Yard, BKA, KGB, Finanzamt, Deutsche Bank,....etc) > Jose: >The most important thing on KW is the music and the noises, >that's of course my opinion. Ok, but there are more 'dimensions' to it ! Hillebrand "Anybody can like electronic music" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 12:58:19 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: German Language / Re: Kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: "H." Boorsma > I again start thinking that understanding German is important while listening > to KW. > I agree, music can be an international language in which words are not impor- > tant. But in special cases things can become different. This is because > products of the human spirit are linked to the area where they come from. > I for example don't think that Dutch people could play/dance flamenco > as well as Spaniards. Well, good reference. I hate this comparison! :( I hate flamenco! I cannot/don't want to dance flamenco, but I do can "dance" to KW music. The examples you mention about the word "Kraftwerk" and the lyrics to Man Machine are just two specific examples. I cannot think of any more. >> Jose: >>The most important thing on KW is the music and the noises, >>that's of course my opinion. > >Ok, but there are more 'dimensions' to it ! Agree! "La musica ideas portara y siempre continuara. Sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" -Technopop- (Electric Cafe) Then you should understand Spanish to get the message from Electric Cafe ;) "Sprint final a l'arrive, Tour de France" and French ;) > "Anybody can like electronic music" "Anybody can feel electronic music" Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 13:36:49 -0600 (MDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Old Vinyl To: kraftwerk Really-From: Lazlo Nibble Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > I picked [Ralf & Florian] up in a small record store here in downtown > Toronto, Ontario, Canada, and paid $25 for it. Big deal, eh? Well, IT > WAS NEVER USED. It was still in ITS ORIGINAL WRAPPER. It was never > played, and has since been played once, I re-sealed it, and now it is in > a safe place! I spent the past few days in the SF Bay area and picked up the Kraftwerk double-album (the gatefold with their first two LPs) for $13.99 from a place called The Record Man. Everything I bought there was in just about perfect condition, and the prices were pretty reasonable. They must have about a quarter-million records in stock. And they still had a copy of Exceller-8 when I left . . . The Record Man (Gary Saxon) 1322 El Camino Real Redwood City, CA 94063 415.368.9065 (voice) 415.368.2968 (fax) They do mail order and take want lists. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Fri, 11 Jun 93 04:00:10 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #102 Kraftwerk Digest Fri, 11 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 102 Today's Topics: Electric Music Lyrics (5 msgs) German Language / Kraftwerk (3 msgs) Old Vinyl Old Vynil Organisation Philosophy - was: German Language / Kraftwerk RE> Dentaku Lyrics (3 msgs) Songs on Exceller 8 (2 msgs) Urgent: official address for information in Linz needed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 11:10:43 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Electric Music Lyrics To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Just a short comment: it is E L E K T R I C M U S I C with a *K*, not Electric Music. And I tried to get the lyrics and found nothing in the directory :( By the way, I don't like the track "Information" at all. The rest is quite good, but you can hear there OMD and also some bits of KW tracks. I haven't listened to the album enough yet. I think my fave track is TV. By the way, it has been released in two different ways: 1) Digipack 2) normal case and the cover is horrible. What you said it was, Rick? I see it just as a "rising sun" flag! I've been told they're trying to get a deal for UK, and the first single will be TV. To the guy who asked me if I was able to get a copy for him, as I told you, it has not/will not be released in Spain, and it ain't easy to find it even as an import here. I got my copy in Koeln :) Maybe someone else can help you. Ask for it! Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 14:24:51 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Electric Music Lyrics To: kraftwerk Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In message <199306100911.AA28889@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Really-From: Jose Garcia > and the cover is horrible. What you said it was, Rick? I see it just > as a "rising sun" flag! Why not repeat myself: The covert art is by Emil Schult. At first I thought it was "Emil goes Mao", judging his signature and the rising sun, but I think the design depicts an elektric generator's rotor really. The cd's label is nicely integrated with the rest. Still I really like the cover of Crosstalk a lot better. Strange they packaged that awful track in such a nice cover. -- rick@sara.nl "This scratching is making me itchitchitchitch" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 08:01:04 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Electric Music Lyrics To: kraftwerk Really-From: David Datta Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu : Really-From: Jose Garcia : Just a short comment: it is : E L E K T R I C M U S I C Whoops! Fixed. : And I tried to get the lyrics and found nothing in the directory :( They are there, the full pathname is: /pub/music/lyrics/e/elektric.music/esperanto. If you follow the instructions I posted before, it should now be: cd elektric.music cd lyrics get esperanto. You CANNOT combine it to make: cd elektric.music/lyrics That won't work. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 18:17:10 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Electric Music Lyrics To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: David Datta > > They are there, the full pathname is: > /pub/music/lyrics/e/elektric.music/esperanto. > >If you follow the instructions I posted before, it should now be: > >cd elektric.music >cd lyrics >get esperanto. > >You CANNOT combine it to make: > >cd elektric.music/lyrics David, I finally got to get the lyrics. Thanks for putting them there. I'll send you some modifications, especially about the pieces in Spanish ;) Just a comment: I tried to get them as you explain, but it didn't work. I had to change to the dir "manually": cd lyrics cd e/elektric.music and the dot "." at the end of esperanto was a bit confusing. I tried to get the file by issuing the command: get esperanto and it didn't work. Then I noticed the file is "esperanto." Thanks David. Now, who is able to understand the esperanto stuff they sing? By the way, Wolfgang Fluer appears to be a member of Elektric Music; that's what I read in the last AKTIVITAET information sheet. Jose Garcia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 17:13:57 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Electric Music Lyrics To: kraftwerk Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On Wed, 9 Jun 1993, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: David Datta > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Well, the first draft/run through of the lyrics for 'Esperanto' > are in the music archives: > > ftp ftp.uwp.edu > username: anonymous > password: youraddress@yoursite > cd electric.music > cd lyrics > get esperanto. > > > I will also e-mail them to anyone who is interested. E-mail requests > to datta@cs.uwp.edu, not the list.... > > > Corrections/comments are needed! Is Esperanto a new single or album , or is it not new at all? Gabe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 13:52:50 METDST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: German Language / Kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Really-From: "H." Boorsma Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Jose Garcia > > Really-From: "H." Boorsma > > The examples you mention about the word "Kraftwerk" and the lyrics to > Man Machine are just two specific examples. I cannot think of any more. Well.. hm...what would you call specific when Kraftwerk announces itself as "The Man Machine" ? I think the meaning of these words is *crucial* for the whole of their work. And when you read Rick's explanation (Thank you Rick) of the word Kraftwerk, you see there's almost a whole universe to discover in 1 German word. > "La musica ideas portara y siempre continuara. > Sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" -Technopop- (Electric Cafe) > Then you should understand Spanish to get the message from Electric Cafe ;) Oh no you don't! With a bit of English, French and Latin you can understand it : Portara = porte = carries; siempre = semper = forever; continuara = continues; Sonido = Son = sound; obvious words left out ! Seems there are fewer original words in Spanish than in German ;) By the way, is there someone there who can write out (more or less phonetically) the lyrics of "Denta Ku" ? I'd like to sing along to it. Hillebrand ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 16:19:56 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: German Language / Kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: "H." Boorsma >Well.. hm...what would you call specific when Kraftwerk announces itself as >"The Man Machine" ? I think the meaning of these words is *crucial* for the >whole of their work. Yes, behind any "serious"/good work on music there's a philosophy or a meaning. I insist though even you don't understand a word of the lyics to at least *most* of the KW songs, you still get the message. And the first album "kraftwerk" says a lot about it, and it doesn't have any lyrics. When you open the gatefold sleeve you see a "kraftwerk", if I'm not wrong, and you get the industrial feeling together with the music. By the way, their first 3 albums as KW do not have any lyrics, and Autobahn has very little lyrics. Well, in fact most of their songs have very little lyrics. One example I can think of now, "Pocket Calculator" speaks for itself. Just the music gives you the message. >> "La musica ideas portara y siempre continuara. >> Sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" -Technopop- (Electric Cafe) >> Then you should understand Spanish to get the message from Electric Cafe ;) > >Oh no you don't! With a bit of English, French and Latin you can understand it : > >Portara = porte = carries; siempre = semper = forever; continuara = continues; >Sonido = Son = sound; obvious words left out ! Did you know they were singing *these* words in "technopop"? :) >By the way, is there someone there who can write out (more or less phonetically) >the lyrics of "Denta Ku" ? I'd like to sing along to it. And can anyone translate this lyric in Japanese? Speaking about languages: KW have released songs with lyrics in German, English, French, Japanese and Spanish, if you don't count "Numbers", with words in all these languages and also Italian and more(???) Why have they done so, just with commercial purposes? By the way, in the song "numbers", in the original version on C.World, there was a fast counting at the end in I don't know what language. In the new version they have been performing since '91, at the end of this song and in the middle of "computer world", right when you see a lot of numbers floating and moving on the screens, you can hear a fast number counting. That's in Spanish and they say: "mil novecientos treinta y cuatro, mil novecientos sesenta y siete, (mil novecientos noventa y uno ??)", which is: 1934, 1967, (1991??). This might have a subttle meaning, or just be random numbers?? 1967 might be the date when Ralf & Florian met, although I've always read they met in 1968 (???) Any comments on all this discussion about languages from other people? >Hillebrand Jose Garcia "Este es un programa de television espan~ola" pepe@ctivax.uab.es -TV- "one, two, one, two, four, six; un, deux, trois; un, uno, deux, dos, trois, cuatro; ..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 14:14:26 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: German Language / Kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Really-From: Eric Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Really-From: Jose Garcia >Yes, behind any "serious"/good work on music there's a philosophy or a >meaning. I insist though even you don't understand a word of the lyics >to at least *most* of the KW songs, you still get the message. And You know I'm sure there's a lot of Americans who mistook the lyrics to Autobahn, and to this day think of it as an "electronic Beach Boys" song. I sometimes think of the lyrics as saying "Fun, fun, fun on the Autobahn". :) That might even serve to explain it's initial acceptance by the American listening public. ... >Speaking about languages: >KW have released songs with lyrics in German, English, French, Japanese >and Spanish, if you don't count "Numbers", with words in all these languages >and also Italian and more(???) Russian, you Robotnik! [:] >Why have they done so, just with commercial purposes? This english speaking person thinks it has to do with a philosophy of global communication and understanding. Perhaps they felt that singing only in German (Deutsch) excludes others from fully understanding their meaning! Ironic, huh? :) --Eric ... non-stop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 11:22:58 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Old Vinyl To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu A quick note related to this: I am a collector, as you might have noticed. I'm looking for several KW records, all formats on vinyl. I have some KW spares for tradings. If anyone is interested in trading, please e-mail me. Examples of the stuff I'm looking for: kraftwerk kraftwerk 2 ralf & florian, with poster (all the above German) several compilations from several countries several 7" and 12" Jose Garcia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 13:22:56 METDST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Old Vynil To: kraftwerk Really-From: "H." Boorsma Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Lazlo Nibble > And they still had a copy of > Exceller-8 when I left . . . > > The Record Man (Gary Saxon) > 1322 El Camino Real > Redwood City, CA 94063 > 415.368.9065 (voice) > 415.368.2968 (fax) Thanks for the suggestion, Lazlo ! I'll go there when I'm visiting the USA :) (Yet it may take some time before I have the money...) But for other people traveling a lot (or so now and then): My Suggestion: *** If you want to share the info about places (all over the globe) *** *** where you can get good KW or related stuff, please send the *** *** adresses to me... I'll put together a list and upload it on *** *** cs.uwp.edu, so that you know where to go when you're abroad. *** *** Please add a brief decsription of the shop/place ! *** ............................................................................... . /||\ . Hillebrand Boorsma / || \ . / || \ . PLEASE +--------------------------------+ . +-+ +------------------+ +-+ . Send adresses of hi-Q record \ / / || \ \ / . vendors. ++ / || \ ++ . / || \ . "She's a record / || \ . and she's selling good" / || \ . / || \ . E-mail: Boorsma@duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl / || \ . +------------++------------+ . Phone (private) : +31 (015) 615553 ................................................................................ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 13:00:47 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Organisation To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: MCINTYRE@MSUPA.PA.MSU.EDU > What I have is not a French bootleg, it's a faulty memory. 8-) Sure enough > when I pull the record off the shelves, it clearly says "RCA London". A bootleg release of this record *DOES* exist. I don't know more details and how to tell this one apart from the original. Can you scan the sleeve? The info you sent is interesting, but what about the music itself? I've read it is very Pink Floydian. Anyone being able to find an extra copy? :) > And down in the lower left corner of the back cover is a red and white > traffic cone. 8-) Interesting! Why did they use the traffic cone, up to the album Ralf & Florian? I guess it is a symbol of the industrialization. (???) I've never thought it had any sexual meaning (phallic symbol ;) (for the new readers, see the odd discussion a few digests ago, 3 weeks or so, about KW and sex :| (??) ) > John McIntyre Jose Garcia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 93 10:44:50 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Philosophy - was: German Language / Kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In message <199306101544.AA20202@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Really-From: Jose Garcia > > > Really-From: "H." Boorsma > > >Well.. hm...what would you call specific when Kraftwerk announces itself as > >"The Man Machine" ? I think the meaning of these words is *crucial* for the > >whole of their work. > > Yes, behind any "serious"/good work on music there's a philosophy or a > meaning. I insist though even you don't understand a word of the lyics > to at least *most* of the KW songs, you still get the message. I think this is all going a bit far. Kraftwerk is a band making *very* good music, and with a technology flavour that appeals to a lot of people in the field of computers, networking and other tech stuff. I wouldn't go as far as linking them to Nietsche or other very deep philosophical meanings. They're simply hard working people who were there at the right time, playing with equipment and synthesizers before anybody else did, and they're da*n good at that too. Still, most of their lyrics are rather corny, and probably on purpose. You can almost see them giggle on stage when performing Pocket Calculator really. As Hillebrand said some time, Kraftwerk is a celebration of modern day technology in our society, sometimes even ahead of their time. (Radioactivity is in the air for you and me since Tchernobyl.) But thats it. Digging deeper won't get you anywhere, I think. Personally I like Kraftwerk best if they're not on the technology track. My fav album is Trans Europa Express, which is to me a light- hearted celebration of the nice landscapes in Europe, avenues, palaces, woods, post cards and the lot. To me its is their most *human* album, with even a song to Franz Schubert! (Now isn't this contradictory to their loathing of 'ancient; instruments like the piano and guitar actually?...) Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl lalala.. die Musik, ich danke dir! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 12:12:50 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: RE> Dentaku Lyrics To: kraftwerk Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >> the lyrics of "Denta Ku" ? I'd like to sing along to it. > > And can anyone translate this lyric in Japanese? (I assume you mean *from* Japanese ?) My roommate, who is first-generation Japanese American (left Japan at 23) said the lyrics are not well translated and are not grammatically correct in a formal nor casual way, but what sense she could make out of them seemed like they were pretty much like the English version. Something like "I am pushing the calculator buttons/Adding/Subtracting/This button, when pressed, makes a sound". She said it's very coarse and unpoetic in a way that shows a lack of familiarity with the language (ie., unintentionally). BTW: Dentaku means " calculator" if you couldn't figure it out ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 19:13:32 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: RE> Dentaku Lyrics To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz >> >> And can anyone translate this lyric in Japanese? > >(I assume you mean *from* Japanese ?) Yes. Sorry. I meant KW have this lyric in Japanese and if someone could translate it. >My roommate, who is first-generation Japanese American (left Japan at 23) said >the lyrics are not well translated and are not grammatically correct in a >formal nor casual way I read somewhere that somebody from Japan [helped with/did] the lyrics in Japanese and tought how to sing them to Ralf. And this same person sings in the song, along with Ralf. Maybe the incorrections are meant in order to fit the lyrics with the melody. Jose Garcia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 17:21:32 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: RE> Dentaku Lyrics To: kraftwerk Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On Thu, 10 Jun 1993, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > >> the lyrics of "Denta Ku" ? I'd like to sing along to it. > > > > And can anyone translate this lyric in Japanese? > > (I assume you mean *from* Japanese ?) > > My roommate, who is first-generation Japanese American (left Japan at 23) said > the lyrics are not well translated and are not grammatically correct in a > formal nor casual way, but what sense she could make out of them seemed like > they were pretty much like the English version. Something like "I am pushing > the calculator buttons/Adding/Subtracting/This button, when pressed, makes a > sound". She said it's very coarse and unpoetic in a way that shows a lack of > familiarity with the language (ie., unintentionally). BTW: Dentaku means " > calculator" if you couldn't figure it out ;) > > Didn't anybody hear the remixes of Pocket Cal. and Dentaku on The Mix? It's SO OBVIOUS that Dentaku is Pocket Cal.'s Japanese twin!! Gabe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 18:15:51 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Songs on Exceller 8 To: kraftwerk Really-From: eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Eric J. Hansen) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Howdy, Kraftwerkers... I just mail ordered the LP "Exceller 8" from a shop in California (thanks Lazlo!). I've seen in it stores before, but never in good condition. Anyways, I don't recall the songs which are on it, and Dave Datta's discography doesn't list them. Can someone give me a brief rundown? Thanks - Eric *---------------------------------------------------------------------* | Eric J. Hansen .................... eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu | | .... DOS/Mac programming, Ultrix administration, general chaos .... | *---------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 17:23:24 MDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Songs on Exceller 8 To: kraftwerk Really-From: uug@fsa.ca Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Eric J. Hansen writes: > I just mail ordered the LP "Exceller 8" from a shop in California (thanks > Lazlo!). I've seen in it stores before, but never in good condition. > Anyways, I don't recall the songs which are on it, and Dave Datta's > discography doesn't list them. Can someone give me a brief rundown? This is what my copy says: Kraftwerk EXCELLER8 Vertigo 6360 629 Stereo 33 1/3 Side One Ruckzack 7:32 1972 From the album Kraftwerk 6641 077 Autobahn 3:07 1974 From the album Autobahn 6360 620 Tongebirge 2:51 1973 From the album Ralf & Florian 6360 616 Kristallo 8:20 1973 From the album Ralf & Florian 6360 616 Side Two Comet Melody 2 2:61 1974 From the album Autobahn 6360 620 (Kometmelodie II) Klingklang 9:26 1972 From the album Kraftwerk 6641 077 Vom Himmel Hoch 4:01 1972 From the album Kraftwerk 6641 077 Stratovarius 1:36 1972 From the album Kraftwerk 6641 077 Credit for all selections and production is ascribed to R. Hutter / F.Schneider. All selections (P) Phonogram Holland. The version of Autobahn is, I think, the radio edit which made the record charts in North America in about 1974/75. It got me sufficently interested in Kraftwerk that I bought the Autobahn, Ralf & Florian, and Exceller8 albums. For some reason, I didn't buy the succeeding Kraftwerk albums as they were released... > Thanks - > Eric > Eric J. Hansen .................... eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu | - William Graham - - uug@fsa.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 16:32:44 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Urgent: official address for information in Linz needed To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu If there's anyone out there with the address to write to in order to get official information about the festival in Linz, please send it! Not that I'm going there, but I want to get a brochure about the event. I've been told is more than a festival. Topics such as Artificial Intelligence and others will have their place. Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Sat, 12 Jun 93 04:00:11 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #103 Kraftwerk Digest Sat, 12 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 103 Today's Topics: 2 reviews sought Dentaku (2 msgs) Philosophy - was: German Language / Kraftwerk (3 msgs) RE> Dentaku Lyrics ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 14:24:57 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: 2 reviews sought To: kraftwerk Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Has anyone heard a CD called "Alien Signal" (I think from the UK)? The cover is a photo of a satellite dish, and the liner notes say it's a tribute to the exploration of space during the 500 yr. anniversary of Columbus' colonial exploits. Apparently it's all done on 70's analogue synths to evoke 70's ambient styles. Also, has anyone heard the "Red Cross on White" CD (from Germany?)? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 93 12:05:10 METDST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Dentaku To: kraftwerk Really-From: "H." Boorsma Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Thans Terre, for the info...But can somebody PLEASE write down (&upload) a phonetical version of Denta Ku? The only Japanese I know is a 2nd gene- ration bloke from Brazil. You should know that I've installed a speaker system in the bathroom of my Student-home. I blast KW through that to get new energy in the morning, but don't manage to sing along with Denta Ku. that frustrates me... Hillebrand ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 15:47:21 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Dentaku To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hillebrand, The lyrics of Dentaky in Kanji wouldn't be useful for you, would they? :) I can scan them for you, but I don't think you'll be able to sing the song with them. ;) Jose Garcia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 12:18:52 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Philosophy - was: German Language / Kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Rick Jansen > I think this is all going a bit far. ... > I wouldn't go as far as linking them to Nietsche or > other very deep philosophical meanings. I don't know. > As Hillebrand said some time, Kraftwerk is a celebration of modern > day technology in our society, sometimes even ahead of their time. > (Radioactivity is in the air for you and me since Tchernobyl.) > But thats it. Isn't that a philosophy? > Personally I like Kraftwerk best if they're not on the technology > track. My fav album is Trans Europa Express, which is to me a light- > hearted celebration of the nice landscapes in Europe, avenues, > palaces, woods, post cards and the lot. To me its is their most *human* > album, with even a song to Franz Schubert! What about the track TEE/Abzug/Metal on metal. That's industrial, with all that noise. That's a machine, not a human being. OK, the rest is very human as you say, but the most famous track and the most important track of this album is TEE/Abzug/Metal on Metal. Just think which tracks from this album have been played live since 1981 ? ... That song is the most industrial song they play since 1981. And all the set they play live nowadays, and in 1981, is about technology. And, BTW, I love it. That's a philosophy. Living with the technology. If you don't like to call it a philosophy, call it whatever you like. In my opinion, the most human album that KW has ever done is Ralf & Florian. There's no reference to technology on it, if I'm not wrong, and is a very melodic album. Just my 2 pesetas about KW, their philosophy, noise and humanity. Jose Garcia "Boing boom tschak" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 93 12:38:26 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Philosophy - was: German Language / Kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In message <199306111020.AA05535@cs.uwp.edu> you write: >> As Hillebrand said some time, Kraftwerk is a celebration of modern >> day technology in our society, sometimes even ahead of their time. >> (Radioactivity is in the air for you and me since Tchernobyl.) >> But thats it. > >Isn't that a philosophy? Not one in the Wittgenstein-Nietsche-Goethe sense, in my opinion. > In my opinion, the most human album that KW has ever done is Ralf & Florian. > There's no reference to technology on it, if I'm not wrong, and is a very > melodic album. Elektrisches Roulette. (Electric Roulette). -Rick -- rick@sara.nl "There is an 's' *in* Nietsche!" - Monty Python's Meaning of Life, Middle Age ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 12:55:13 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Philosophy - was: German Language / Kraftwerk To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu [ Really-From: Rick Jansen [ >> As Hillebrand said some time, Kraftwerk is a celebration of modern [ >> day technology in our society, sometimes even ahead of their time. [ >> (Radioactivity is in the air for you and me since Tchernobyl.) [ >> But thats it. [ > [ >Isn't that a philosophy? [ Not one in the Wittgenstein-Nietsche-Goethe sense, in my opinion. I didn't said that at all, man. Your are completely wrong. Check your mail. Maybe you should ask to another person from the list about it. [ > In my opinion, the most human album that KW has ever done is Ralf & Florian. [ > There's no reference to technology on it, if I'm not wrong, and is a very [ > melodic album. [ Elektrisches Roulette. (Electric Roulette). OK. That's the only tech. reference on it, but *not industrial* at all. BTW, the translation to English was not necessary: Ruleta electrica ;) [ "There is an 's' *in* Nietsche!" [ - Monty Python's Meaning of Life, Middle Age ???? Jose Garcia "It's more fun to compute, compute, compute" pepe@ctivax.uab.es ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 11:10:36 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: RE> Dentaku Lyrics To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Gabriel Yedid >Didn't anybody hear the remixes of Pocket Cal. and Dentaku on The Mix? >It's SO OBVIOUS that Dentaku is Pocket Cal.'s Japanese twin!! Yes, everybody knows Dentaku is Pocket Calculator sung in Japanese, since 1981 when it was released as the b-side of the single Pocket Calculator. We were discussing about the translation from Japanese to English, as the versions in different languages cannot have exactly the same lyrics. Jose Garcia "Soy el operador de mi pequen~o calculador" ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Sun, 13 Jun 93 04:00:10 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #104 Kraftwerk Digest Sun, 13 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 104 Today's Topics: Robot Lyrics ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 23:13:28 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Robot Lyrics To: kraftwerk Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Can anyone here PLEASE tell me what exactly the lyrics to "The Robots" are--especially that deep bass voice that comes at the beginning? Here's what I understand: BASS: "It was noble, yet we're nobody here." Robot voice: "Recharging on our batteries/If not we lose our energy/ We are the robots X 4" "We are functioning automatik (sp?)/And we are also mekanik (sp?)/We are the robots... "We are programmed just to do/Anything you want us to/ We are the robots..." These are the lyrics as I heard them (great subjectivity implied) of the version on The Mix (the only KW album aside from Electric Cafe I have heard). Did the original include more than just this? Thanks, Gabe. ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Mon, 14 Jun 93 04:00:08 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #105 Kraftwerk Digest Mon, 14 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 105 Today's Topics: Cars (3 msgs) Delivery Report (failure) for krawtwerk@edu.uwp.cs (Forward) list Robot Lyrics (3 msgs) Thanks for Robot Lyrics--Now another! (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 21:55:29 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Cars To: kraftwerk Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I recall Dave Datta seeing Kraftwerk after a concert, having them autograph some albums. One question: You said that they got in their cars afterwards and drove away. What kind of cars were they driving? I'm going to buy a car, and want the same that Kraftwerk has! 8-) bml ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 21:52:28 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Cars To: kraftwerk Really-From: David Datta Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In article <1993Jun13.212034.26546@cs.uwp.edu> you wrote: : Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com : I recall Dave Datta seeing Kraftwerk after a concert, having them autograph Ummm, I have never seen Kraftwerk... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 04:16:17 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Cars To: kraftwerk Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Oopps..I'm sorry. It was Jose... Jose! What cars did they drive? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 93 14:18:10 BST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Delivery Report (failure) for krawtwerk@edu.uwp.cs (Forward) To: kraftwerk Really-From: humphrys aj Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi there ! I was just wondering what happened to the two who left KW to form their own synth band. have they brought out any singles/albums etc, and if so, are they any good ???????? Also, does anyone have copies of thier earlier 'unreleased' albums - what are they like ??? TTFN Andy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 93 03:46:28 -0700 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: list To: kraftwerk Really-From: Doug Terrebonne Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi, I'd like to join to Kraftwerk list... Thanx! Doug dougt@apple.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 93 15:18:19 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Robot Lyrics To: kraftwerk Really-From: Mikael Lundgren Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Can anyone here PLEASE tell me what exactly the lyrics to "The Robots" are--especially that deep bass voice that comes at the beginning? Here's what I understand: BASS: "It was noble, yet we're nobody here." :) Actually, I strongly believe they're using a sentence in Russian. Beats me what it means, though. Robot voice: "Recharging on our batteries/If not we lose our energy/ We are the robots X 4" I think it's: "We're charging our battery/And now we're full of energy/..." "We are functioning automatik (sp?)/And we are also mekanik (sp?)/We are the robots... "../And we are dancing mechanik.." ? "We are programmed just to do/Anything you want us to/ We are the robots..." () Mikael "Vick" Lundgren | University of Uppsala, Sweden O ____ () () vick@bern.docs.uu.se {-|>*CSD - Computer Science Dept. o /.. \/| () () Studying CS @ ---------|>*DOCS - Dept. of Computer Systems (----) | )) () () Remember: Four bananas always add up to a plectrum. \____/\| () ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 14:39:28 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Robot Lyrics To: kraftwerk Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu If you look on the back of The Man Machine album, you'll the Russian lyric they say in The Robots. Some newer releases may not have that lyric though. I heard that in the USA its not on there. Here in Canada, all of my Man Machine albums have it, including the CD. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 13:33:02 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Robot Lyrics To: kraftwerk Really-From: David Datta Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >From the Man Machine album file in the lyrics archives... (All the Kraftwerk lyrics are there...) Transcribed by Dave Datta Russian words, compilments of Rick Jansen @SONG: The Robots We're charging our battery And now we're full of energy We are the robots We are the robots We are the robots We are the robots We're functioning automatic And we are dancing mechanic We are the robots We are the robots We are the robots We are the robots Ja tvoi sluga, (I'm your slave) ja tvoi Rabotnik (I'm your worker.) we are programmed just to do anything you want us to we are the robots we are the robots we are the robots we are the robots we're functioning automatic and we are dancing mechanic we are the robots we are the robots we are the robots we are the robots Ja tvoi sluga, (I'm your slave) ja tvoi Rabotnik (I'm your worker.) Ja tvoi sluga, (I'm your slave) ja tvoi Rabotnik (I'm your worker.) [repeat to fade] We are the robots ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 16:37:19 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Thanks for Robot Lyrics--Now another! To: kraftwerk Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Thanks to all the list members who responded to my request for the lyrics to The Robots! Now here's another: my brother wants to know the meaning (in English) of the lyrics of Autobahn. Thanks, Gabe. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 21:51:28 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Thanks for Robot Lyrics--Now another! To: kraftwerk Really-From: David Datta Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In article <1993Jun13.203939.24373@cs.uwp.edu> you wrote: : Really-From: Gabriel Yedid : Now here's another: my brother wants to know the meaning (in English) of : the lyrics of Autobahn. All Kraftwerk lyrics are available in the lyric archives, ftp.uwp.edu /pub/music/artists/k/kraftwerk/lyrics @ALBUM: autobahn Transcribed and translated by Rick Jansen @SONG: Autobahn Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn Vor uns liegt ein weites Tal Die Sonne scheint mit Glitzerstrahl Die Fahrbahn ist ein graues Band Weisse Streifen, gruener Rand Jetzt schalten wir ja das Radio an Aus dem Lautsprecher klingt es dann: Wir fah'rn auf der Autobahn... (Translation:) We are driving on the Autobahn In front of us is a wide valley The sun is shining with glittering rays The driving strip is a grey track White stripes, green edge We are switching the radio on >From the speaker it sounds: ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 04:00:09 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #106 Kraftwerk Digest Tue, 15 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 106 Today's Topics: Cars (4 msgs) Elekric Music -`Esperanto` Ruckzuck remixes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 11:04:52 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Cars To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com >Jose! What cars did they drive? Don't you guess? Volkswagen, of course :) Ralf and Florian were driving VW cars, don't know the exact model, but they weren't big VW. The colour of the cars was... black. Just buy whatever car. The important thing is to have a cassette player in it, with a tape of Autobahn ;) Jose Garcia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 14:00:43 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Cars To: kraftwerk Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Sheesh .. Volkswagens, eh? I was thinking more along the lines of a black BMW 535i or something... A small Volkswagen? Golf perhaps? Corrado? Passat (my favourite) perhaps? Whatever car I buy, the first tune I will play on it is The Model... bml ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 93 10:35:29 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Cars To: kraftwerk Really-From: Eric Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com >Sheesh .. Volkswagens, eh? I was thinking more along the lines of a black >BMW 535i or something... Actually, it's easy to mistake some of those VW designs, especially the earlier ones, for those of another great German car builder. I believe they drive Porsche Carrerras, all black, of course. ;-) If a BMW is within your budget, maybe one of those would be too? I think it's the same model Bill Gates owns. ;-) --Eric (non-stop) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 17:29:31 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Cars To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Eric >>Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com >> >>Sheesh .. Volkswagens, eh? I was thinking more along the lines of a black >>BMW 535i or something... > >Actually, it's easy to mistake some of those VW designs, especially >the earlier ones, for those of another great German car builder. >I believe they drive Porsche Carrerras, all black, of course. ;-) No. I don't mistake these cars. They were driving new VW. And small also. Not sportive at all. They were just small cheap cars. I don't think they bother about fast cars. I'd say they just want to make noise in their Kling Klang studio. > If a BMW is within your budget, maybe one of those would be too? > I think it's the same model Bill Gates owns. ;-) And myself ;) Just joking! Jose Garcia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 12:11:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Elekric Music -`Esperanto` To: kraftwerk Really-From: lupo@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi all! I have a CD copy of EM `Esperanto` to offer. I originally bought it for McDatman, but he has not replied to my mails since 3 weeks - therefore I think he is not interested anymore. The copy is originally packed (unused) and costs 28,90 DM. If anybody is interested in buying it from me, please e-mail me directly. Swapping also possible. -- Lutz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 93 15:04:50 -0700 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Ruckzuck remixes To: kraftwerk Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I haven't been able to find this. Would someone in the US that has it be willing to tape it for me? In return I could tape something for you such as "Don't Stop...Planet Rock", "High Tech/ No Crime" or "Alter Ego - Soft Ballet", which have mixes by the same people who did "Ruckzuck", plus LFO, Elektric Music, 808 State etc. ........................................................... "Ruckzuck" - Rough Trade GmbH - RTD 176.1252.2 26 Composer Data: Huetter/Schneider Music Data: Doerper/Gamble/Gordon/Kirk/Schmidt 1- Ruckzuck-Duesseldorf #3 2- Ruckzuck-Nottingham #1 3- Ruckzuck-Sheffield #1 4- Ruckzuck-Duesseldorf #1 5- ....zuck-Sheffield #4 6- Ruckzuck-Duesseldorf #2 ..................................................... Thanks much Richard karty@cs.washington.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 04:00:11 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #107 Kraftwerk Digest Wed, 16 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 107 Today's Topics: Cars Cars... (3 msgs) Cars...[SPOILERS] RE>Re: Cars...[SPOILERS] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 11:51:44 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Cars To: kraftwerk Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > >>Sheesh .. Volkswagens, eh? I was thinking more along the lines of a black > >>BMW 535i or something... > > > >I believe they drive Porsche Carrerras, all black, of course. ;-) Gee, I thought they were all driving red Mercedes convertibles... Rick -- rick@sara.nl ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 1993 09:03:33 -0600 (CST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Cars... To: kraftwerk Really-From: BEUTHET1@wl.aecl.ca Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Why is it so surprising that Kraftwerk should be driving VWs? And just what other car SHOULD they be driving? A few questions as a reminder? 1) What kind of a car do I drive? 2) Which car was voted "car of the century" by an international panel of car people? 3) Which automobile appears on the cover of the first really BIG KW LP? 4) Which car is it that is driving in the song "Autobahn"? (And why this car? Perhaps because one of the members of KW happened to own one at the time, and the thought of the song came to him as they (KW) were driving down the Autobahn listening to the radio!) If anyone can't guess the answers to these questions, I will answer them tomorrow (since I am on Digest version), and you should hang your head in shame! tgb ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 1993 09:07:07 -0600 (CST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Cars... To: kraftwerk Really-From: BEUTHET1@wl.aecl.ca Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Great subject this!!! :-) :-) :-) Ah me. It puts me back to the days when I owned the original Autobahn 45 RPM single and nearly played it to death on my parents "put a pile of pennies in the arm to make it play better" record player. :-) tgb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 19:27:21 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Cars... To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: BEUTHET1@wl.aecl.ca > Ah me. It puts me back to the days when I owned the original Autobahn > 45 RPM single and nearly played it to death You must be quite old, man. I thought I was old ;) but you... :) The first track I heard from KW was TEE, in one of those nights that I used to spend listening to the radio. It was around 1980. Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 16:04:48 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Cars...[SPOILERS] To: kraftwerk Really-From: Eric Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Spoilers and extra credit questions enclosed >Really-From: BEUTHET1@wl.aecl.ca >1) What kind of a car do I drive? A VW? The Beetle, perhaps? >2) Which car was voted "car of the century" by an international panel > of car people? The VW Beetle? >3) Which automobile appears on the cover of the first really BIG KW LP? The VW Beetle >4) Which car is it that is driving in the song "Autobahn"? The Bug > (And why this car? Perhaps because one of the members of KW happened > to own one at the time, and the thought of the song came to him as > they (KW) were driving down the Autobahn listening to the radio!) >If anyone can't guess the answers to these questions, I will answer them >tomorrow (since I am on Digest version), and you should hang your head in >shame! I'm sure everyone would know at least one of those. Now for extra credit... 1) Who designed the VW Beetle? (Hint: think "expensive German cars"). 2) Name the group that pictured a Beetle on the cover of their last studio album (released around the time of KWs first album. This should be very easy, considering). For extra extra credit, give the license plate number. 3) Name at least one song, and the group that recorded it, recorded prior to KW's _Autobahn_ that begins with the sound of a car starting and driving away. 4) Who recorded the following songs: _Cars_, _Cosmic Car_, _Candy-O_? :) --Eric (non-stop) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 16:44:55 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: RE>Re: Cars...[SPOILERS] To: kraftwerk Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu 1) Who designed the VW Beetle? (Hint: think "expensive German cars"). I don't care. 2) Name the group that pictured a Beetle on the cover of their last studio album (released around the time of KWs first album. This should be very easy, considering). For extra extra credit, give the license plate number. I don't care. I don't care. 3) Name at least one song, and the group that recorded it, recorded prior to KW's _Autobahn_ that begins with the sound of a car starting and driving away. "I get around" - The Beach Boys. 4) Who recorded the following songs: _Cars_, _Cosmic Car_, _Candy-O_? Gary Numan, I don't care, The Cars. :) --Terre (now-stop-it) ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Thu, 17 Jun 93 04:00:11 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #108 Kraftwerk Digest Thu, 17 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 108 Today's Topics: CARS! Cars / Give me a break! Fun with Dolby (3 msgs) More cars (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Jun 1993 14:08:43 -0600 (CST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: CARS! To: kraftwerk Really-From: BEUTHET1@wl.aecl.ca Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >> Ah me. It puts me back to the days when I owned the original Autobahn >> 45 RPM single and nearly played it to death > >You must be quite old, man. I thought I was old ;) > >but you... :) > >The first track I heard from KW was TEE, in one of those nights that I used >to spend listening to the radio. It was around 1980. > > >Jose Garcia >pepe@ctivax.uab.es Heh! I didn't buy that when I was 18 you know! :-) The Autobahn 45 RPM 7" single was the FIRST single I EVER bought! :-) >>1) What kind of a car do I drive? >A VW? The Beetle, perhaps? Bingo! A red 1970 VW Beetle (Deluxe, with standard shift, 1641 cc engine). It's presently costing me a LOT of time to keep in shape! >>2) Which car was voted "car of the century" by an international panel >> of car people? >The VW Beetle? Yes! >>3) Which automobile appears on the cover of the first really BIG KW LP? >The VW Beetle Getting kind or rhetorical isn't it! ;-) >>4) Which car is it that is driving in the song "Autobahn"? >The Bug Right on! >> (And why this car? Perhaps because one of the members of KW happened >> to own one at the time, and the thought of the song came to him as >> they (KW) were driving down the Autobahn listening to the radio!) Congratulations tgb you're right! (hee hee!) >>If anyone can't guess the answers to these questions, I will answer them >>tomorrow (since I am on Digest version), and you should hang your head in >>shame! No need as I can see! >I'm sure everyone would know at least one of those. >Now for extra credit... >1) Who designed the VW Beetle? (Hint: think "expensive German cars"). Papa Porsche! (Not the guy who just stepped down from the post as head of Porsche, but his father. Ferdinand no?) I like to call my car a pre-Porsche! :-) >2) Name the group that pictured a Beetle on the cover of their last > studio album (released around the time of KWs first album. This should > be very easy, considering). For extra extra credit, give the license > plate number. >3) Name at least one song, and the group that recorded it, recorded > prior to KW's _Autobahn_ that begins with the sound of a car starting > and driving away. Guess I'm REALLY showing my age here, but this time I get to say I was too young! :-) :-) :-) 4) Who recorded the following songs: _Cars_, _Cosmic Car_, _Candy-O_? The Cars! I remember when they came to my university and played! >1) Who designed the VW Beetle? (Hint: think "expensive German cars"). > I don't care. Tsk tsk. And you call yourself a KW fan? >--Terre (now-stop-it) Now what kind of an attitude is that! We're allowed to have some fun aren't we? Farhn farhn auf der Autobahn as so many people misinterpreted it early on... Or, mispronounce the word Porsche as Porsch, even though that would all like to drive one (I KNOW they would! ;-). (Or perhaps I'm on the wrong list!) tgb P.S. All seriousness aside though... Personally I really like this kind of thread occasionally. It really helps to liven things up, and it can be interesting to boot! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 16:37:16 -0700 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Cars / Give me a break! To: kraftwerk Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Did anyone notice how many people on this list are happy to chat at length about what kind of cars the Kraftwerk people drive, but when it comes to the band's 'personal'/sex lives, people start hollering about how irrelevant and inappropriate that topic is? Richard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 17:50:33 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Fun with Dolby To: kraftwerk Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I dont know if anuyone here has a stereo with Dolby Surround Sound, but, I do. And if you dont, let me tell you that The Mix album, in Surround Sound is AMAZING! I've had it for quite some time now, and I've always listened to it in Surround mode. However, I was listening very carefully the other night to it and was amazed at the the sound quality and the amount of noises you can hear that you dont normally hear with regular sound. Plus, if you ever get the chance, listen to William Orbit's remix of Radioactivity in Surround Sound. It will BLOW YOU AWAY. Its incredible. If anyone wants to, you're more than welcome to come here and listen to it! Bruce PS: as a matter of fact, all of Kraftwerk's CDs sound amazing in Surround Sound -- even the old ones .. could they have forseen this audio technology?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 19:18:47 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Fun with Dolby To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com > it and was amazed at the the sound quality and the amount of noises you can > hear that you dont normally hear with regular sound. I don't have this system you mention, but Electric Cafe sounds really GOOD. The quality of it is amazing. Probably the best KW record as far as sound technology concerns. > If anyone wants to, you're more than welcome to come here and listen to it! OK. I'm coming ;) Jose Garcia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 93 09:00:42 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Fun with Dolby To: kraftwerk Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In message <199306161720.AA04219@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Really-From: Jose Garcia > I don't have this system you mention, but Electric Cafe sounds really GOOD. > The quality of it is amazing. Probably the best KW record as far as > sound technology concerns. > > > If anyone wants to, you're more than welcome to come here and listen to it! > > OK. I'm coming ;) Sex Object, Jose? :-) -Rick. -- rick@sara.nl "Talcum! Talcum bitte!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 08:38:40 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: More cars To: kraftwerk Really-From: Richard=Paiement%DCN%DGBT=CRC=ADMSR@dgbt.banyan.doc.ca Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu [lotsa stuff deleted] >>Spoilers and extra credit questions enclosed >>2) Name the group that pictured a Beetle on the cover of their last >> studio album (released around the time of KWs first album. This should >> be very easy, considering). For extra extra credit, give the license >> plate number. My best guess: The Beatles >>3) Name at least one song, and the group that recorded it, recorded >> prior to KW's _Autobahn_ that begins with the sound of a car starting >> and driving away. How about a post-Autobahn song: Detroit Rock City by KISS >>4) Who recorded the following songs: _Cars_, _Cosmic Car_, _Candy-O_? Cars by Gary Numan Candy-O by The Cars Richard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 16:12:23 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: More cars To: kraftwerk Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In message <199306161344.AA13080@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > >>3) Name at least one song, and the group that recorded it, recorded > >> prior to KW's _Autobahn_ that begins with the sound of a car starting > >> and driving away. Actually, I remember a song from the early 70's, and it MIGHT have been even before Autobahn: 'OK Chicago' by a band called Resonance. Lots of car sounds, and very electronic too. If I remember well it depicts a car chase, I guess through Chicago, of some gangsters. I don't remember if it starts with starting a car, but I think it does. It ends with sounds of a machine gun and someone in a cigarette and whiskey-drowned voice note: "Ok". So I guess the chase was succesful really. I was thrilled by the song back then, but didn't even have a record player yet, so I don't have it. Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl "Ok" -Resonance ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Fri, 18 Jun 93 04:00:09 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #109 Kraftwerk Digest Fri, 18 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 109 Today's Topics: Balanescu Cars / Give me a break! Fun with Dolby No more CARS RE>KW string covers (3 msgs) Topics VW questions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Jun 93 11:34 DST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: To: kraftwerk Really-From: alexis@mx5303.gud.siemens.co.at Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi there, On ORF2 (Austrian TV) last night (Wed 16 Jun) was a program on "Computer Art", as well as some stunning videos (Roulin Pascal's "Lakme" Wow!) the program had incidental music of a string ensemble playing "Computer Love" by KW. It didn't sound similar enough to the original to be corny. It sounded like the band that plays Michael Nyman stuff (Balanescu ?) or Kronos Quartet or something similarly stringy/avant-gardey. Of course the credits didn't mention anybody, and phoning ORF, they said they know of versions by KW, Zapp (Zappa ?) and Backgammon (german) but couldn't identify who had done the version for the program. So, my questions, is anybody able to identify who did this was ? And what about these other vsersions ? Thanks a lot, Alexis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 12:15:10 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: alexis@mx5303.gud.siemens.co.at > On ORF2 (Austrian TV) last night (Wed 16 Jun) was a program on "Computer Art", So you're from/in Austria? Are you attending the festival in Linz? Can you get any info / review after the concert? > the program > had incidental music of a string ensemble playing "Computer Love" by KW. Don't know for certain, but I'd say they might be Balanescu. Maybe Hillebrand can add sth. to that, or someone else. > and phoning ORF, they said they know of versions by > KW, Zapp (Zappa ?) and Backgammon (german) Zappa! That's odd! Jose Garcia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 93 08:43 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Balanescu To: kraftwerk Really-From: rmb@cblph.att.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >On ORF2 (Austrian TV) last night (Wed 16 Jun) was a program on "Computer Art", >as well as some stunning videos (Roulin Pascal's "Lakme" Wow!) the program >had incidental music of a string ensemble playing "Computer Love" by KW. >It didn't sound similar enough to the original to be corny. It sounded like >the band that plays Michael Nyman stuff (Balanescu ?) or Kronos Quartet ^^^^^^^^^^^ Probably Balanescu. They have a CD out called _Possessed_. On it they did 5 Kraftwerk covers - Robots, Model, Autobahn, Computer Love, and Pocket Calculator. It also contains 3 originals, and a David Byrne cover. Of course some other string quartet could have done it too..... Rich... { Rich Brack /-/ _ i don't want to be your angel } { rmb@cblph.att.com /-/ _|_|_ i want to be your witch! } { \-\/-/ ( * )tch -yello } { \/\/ /^\ } ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 11:22:11 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Cars / Give me a break! To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) > Did anyone notice how many people on this list are happy to chat at > length about what kind of cars the Kraftwerk people drive, but when it > comes to the band's 'personal'/sex lives, people start hollering about > how irrelevant and inappropriate that topic is? Personally, I don't care much about what car they drive, whether they're married or not, heterosexual or homosexual, etc... I do care about one thing: When will you, Ralf, Florian & co., release *NEW* stuff? By the way, today the guys are playing live in Linz. Will anyone be there? Jose Garcia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 12:27:11 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Fun with Dolby To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu [ Really-From: Rick Jansen [ [> Really-From: Jose Garcia [> I don't have this system you mention, but Electric Cafe sounds really GOOD. [ [Sex Object, Jose? :-) I don't quite get what you mean, Rick. If you're talking about the Spanish version of the track, yes. I like it. :) [ "Talcum! Talcum bitte!" Still don't get what you mean. Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 93 11:33:43 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: No more CARS To: kraftwerk Really-From: Eric Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Just to follow up in case anybody really wanted the answers... >Really-From: BEUTHET1@wl.aecl.ca >>Now for extra credit... >>1) Who designed the VW Beetle? (Hint: think "expensive German cars"). >Papa Porsche! (Not the guy who just stepped down from the post as head >of Porsche, but his father. Ferdinand no?) >I like to call my car a pre-Porsche! :-) Yep, that's why I joked that it's hard to tell some VWs from Porsches. And I was trying to goad somebody into spending a lot of money. :) >>2) Name the group that pictured a Beetle on the cover of their last >> studio album (released around the time of KWs first album. This should >> be very easy, considering). For extra extra credit, give the license >> plate number. The Beatles (get it? Beetles! The fifth Beatle! Hee-hee! :) ) The album was Abbey Road and the license plate is, if memory serves, "28 IF" (28 was the age Paul MacCartney would be IF he had lived, which he did, of course). >>3) Name at least one song, and the group that recorded it, recorded >> prior to KW's _Autobahn_ that begins with the sound of a car starting >> and driving away. >Guess I'm REALLY showing my age here, but this time I get to say I was >too young! :-) :-) :-) Grrr...Many good answers top this one, but the one I had in mind was "Love is the drug" by Roxy Music. Released around '72, I think. (I was 9 or 10 at the time, so I guess I'm old...enough :) ). >4) Who recorded the following songs: _Cars_, _Cosmic Cars_, _Candy-O_? Cars: Gary Numan Cosmic Cars: Cybotron (when Florian said "the KW universe has been reproduced in Detroit..." he was referring to this song, which started the whole Detroit Techno phenomenon, as well as others by Cybotron and Model 500 (both groups led by Juan Atkins). Many of us heard this in '81 or '82 and thought it *was* Kraftwerk!). Candy-O: >The Cars! I remember when they came to my university and played! Yep. I remember when they used to be a New Wave group. :) >P.S. All seriousness aside though... > Personally I really like this kind of thread occasionally. > It really helps to liven things up, and it can be interesting to boot! Yep. And I did try to add some critical thought to the 'KWeer?' thread too, not just complain about the irrelevance of the sexual orientation of KW. --Eric "Now is the time on the KW list when we dance! Auf Wiedersehen!"--Dieter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 09:30:40 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: RE>KW string covers To: kraftwerk Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > incidental music of a string ensemble playing "Computer Love" by KW. I recently saw a CD by this group (I don't remember the name because the store had it grouped w/KW CD's). About 80% of the album is KW covers. There was also a David Byrne cover (which turned me off of buying it ;) and some other stuff. So I guess my point is that it's available somewhere on CD (it was a European import, but I don't know where it was made). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 16:10:08 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: RE>KW string covers To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Yes, it is Balanescu. > So I guess my point is that it's available somewhere on CD (it was a European > import, but I don't know where it was made). I know for certain it has been released in the US, as I've seen it in the nice American "full picture" longbox. Jose Garcia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 12:06:15 -0600 (MDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: RE>KW string covers To: kraftwerk Really-From: Lazlo Nibble Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu The disc in question is Posessed, by The Balanescu Quartet, Mute 61421-2 in the US. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 12:05:55 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Topics To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Continuing with my previous mail, of course I don't mind if there is some trivial discussion on the list, as far as it is kept to a low output. Plus of course anyone can send his own opinions, comments, etc. By the way, the owner of the list is David Datta. Personally, the topics of interest to me are: -new releases -concerts -opinions about albums, concerts, etc -comments on related bands, music, etc The discussion between Rick and myself was quite interesting in my opinion, but it seems other people didn't have an opinion or didn't care. As KW are not very active, it is sometimes difficult to find topics to talk about, so I understand sometimes there are side topics to fill the list. But there's still plenty of topics to talk about. Just my 2 pesetas. Don't take this mail too seriously! :-) Jose Garcia "La musica ideas portara y siempre continuara, pepe@ctivax.uab.es sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" -Technopop- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 12:01:31 -0400 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: VW questions To: kraftwerk Really-From: Don Knotts Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu 2) Name the group that pictured a Beetle on the cover of their last studio album (released around the time of KWs first album. This should be very easy, considering). For extra extra credit, give the license plate number. The Beatles, Abbey Road 28IF (Paul's age if had "lived") -Eric ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Sat, 19 Jun 93 08:45:09 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #110 Kraftwerk Digest Sat, 19 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 110 Today's Topics: The book (5 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 14:58:10 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: The book To: kraftwerk Really-From: David Datta Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Well folks, I finally got my copy of the book about Kraftwerk and for the most part there isn't much concrete information in it. The authors clearly say in the forward that most of the statements about why the band did things they way they did them are speculation. This also goes for the analysis of the albums and songs. There are some interesting pictures (Black & white) that I will probably scan and put in the archives. I don't think there is much information in the book that cannot be found in the discography here other than information about obsessive bicycling. For Kate Bush fans, I would say this is a Kraftwerk version of the book "A Secret History of Kate Bush" by Fred . For the most part the only information I got from the book: They don't talk to press They don't answer mail They don't like to tour ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 22:17:57 -40962758 (MET DST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: The book To: kraftwerk Really-From: bombuzal Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I also read this book, and as I didn't have all the information you may have, I found the book quite interesting. It is written very easily, and before you notice, you have read the entire book. Because of the nice pictures, and because of all kinds of information, I think this book is a must for all Kraftwerk fans. Peter van Dam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 93 17:05:14 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: The book To: kraftwerk Really-From: Eric Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Uhh...could someone please give the title, author, etc so I and others can track down this book? Thanks much! --Eric "One two" -Kraftwerk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 17:14:53 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: The book To: kraftwerk Really-From: David Datta Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu : Really-From: Eric : Uhh...could someone please give the title, author, etc so I and others : can track down this book? I meant to do this earlier but I didn't have the book with me... Kraftwerk Man Machine and Music By Pascal Bussy Published by SAF Publishing Ltd. ISBN: 0 946719 098 It cost 11.95 Pounds (UK). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 18:04:10 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: The book To: kraftwerk Really-From: David Datta Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu : Really-From: bombuzal : I also read this book, and as I didn't have all the information you may : have, I found the book quite interesting. It is written very easily, and : before you notice, you have read the entire book. Because of the nice : pictures, and because of all kinds of information, I think this book is a : must for all Kraftwerk fans. Oh of course! Any fan (like me!) will want a copy of the book. There is a lot of good information in the book. Almost all of the history is backed up with attributed sources. My problem with the book is the fact that it has too much speculation. We have, in our conversations on this list, speculated and argued back and forth about many of the topics in the book. The book is written like it has the definitive answers and reasons things are the way they are. The fact is, the band has never answered many of these questions and it appears that they never will. The authors acknowledge this: >From the Author's Note: Ultimately however, we must stress that this is not an official biography. Apart from direct interview material, all the appraisal of Kraftwerk's music and image are the opinions of the authors and not necessarily how the various group members see themselves. Given the above statement, they could have just left out their suppositions and stuck with facts. Here is an example of what I mean: (Re: Kraftwerk Album, Page 30) As a result of the difficulty in getting drummers to adapt to their music, the LP also features Florian Schneider on Electronic percussion. This was undoubtedly the result of Schneider's early efforts at building homemade rhythm devices on which he would later so successfully modify and expand. However in choosing Hohman and Dinger they were obviously aware of bringing in two people who were naturally rhythmically inclined, providing a balance in the group between rhythm and experimentation. It also gave more of an impression of a working band of four members, even if all the other instrumentation and compositions were credited to Hutter and Schneider. Now, there is an awful lot of speculation in the above paragraph. The only thing that is "known" is that the LP features Florian on electronic percussion and he built electronic percussion devices. The rest is supposition. Lots of the book is like this. It is written like the author has some great insight into the musicians minds which is total bullshit. The book is full of this kind of stuff. A random paging through the book yields an incredible amount of statements that contain: This could have been intrepeted as .... They were no doubt impressed by .... It is quite easy to understand why .... Perhaps they realised .... Hutter and Schneider were all to aware .... This ... probably .... .... may well have been inspired by .... ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Mon, 21 Jun 93 04:00:10 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #111 Kraftwerk Digest Mon, 21 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 111 Today's Topics: By Request... Man-Machine pics uploaded ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1993 12:01:57 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: By Request... To: kraftwerk Really-From: datta (David Datta) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Some member statistics.... 1 AUSTRALIA AU 1 AUSTRIA AT 1 BRAZIL BR 3 CANADA CA 2 DENMARK DK 5 FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY DE 3 FINLAND FI 2 IRELAND IE 7 NETHERLANDS NL 1 SPAIN ES 12 SWEDEN SE 1 SWITZERLAND CH 6 UNITED KINGDOM UK 14 UNITED STATES COM 33 UNITED STATES EDU 1 UNITED STATES NET 1 UNITED STATES ORG 94 members of the list kraftwerk -- - Dave Datta@cs.uwp.edu: "I speak for myself, not my employer....." Apple Corporation's idea of Higher Education sales support: You need our price lists? Pay us $144/year and you can download it from Applelink. Oh, by the way, Apple dealers void their contract if they sell to you. Apple, rotten to the corp. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1993 13:05:15 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Man-Machine pics uploaded To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I've scanned and uploaded a couple of pics from the US re-release on CD of Man Machine (or Man-Machine as it says on the cover of the CD). The front and back cover are different from the original release, thus the interest of them. They are in tiff format. As usually, they are available via anonymous ftp from FTP.UWP.EDU. They're currently in the dir. /pub/incoming/lists/kraftwerk, until Dave moves them to a permanet place. Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Tue, 22 Jun 93 04:00:14 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #112 Kraftwerk Digest Tue, 22 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 112 Today's Topics: AKTIVITAET fanzine in the U.S. By Request... The book (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 19:25:20 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: AKTIVITAET fanzine in the U.S. To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Some of you have read about the unofficial fanzine on KW, called AKTIVITAET, done in UK. If you haven't, get the back issues of the digest. There's some info and comments, or, if you cannot get them, e-mail me. Anyway, Fred Becker, who doesn't have access to e-mail, will probably distribute copies of the fanzine in the U.S., making it easier and cheaper for you people in the U.S. to get copies of the fanzine. If you're interested, get in touch with Fred: Fred Becker Mach 25 Music PO Box 26331 INDIANAPOLIS, IN 46226 Tel. (317)545-3114 Fred is also trying to get in touch with fans that want to help in forming a fan club, or people interested in subscribing to such club. He happens to be a musician also, and has a CD released. I think it's sort of ambiental electronic music. Jose Garcia "Computer activity is in the net for you and me" pepe@ctivax.uab.es ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 11:57:16 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: By Request... To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Thanks a lot Dave for the statistics. The list has grown quite a lot! By the way, we've already passed the issue 100 of the digest! (We did so a few digests ago) The time goes by so fast... it was 20th Jan when the first digest came out. Thanks Dave for starting the list and allowing all of us to share opinions, info, etc. about Kraftwerk on the list. Jose Garcia "Computer activity is in the net for you and me" pepe@ctivax.uab.es ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 12:36:36 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: The book To: kraftwerk Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Whats the title of the book? Is it available in North America? bml ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 16:20:14 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: The book To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Bruce, see the last one of the two mails sent by Dave, about the book. For additional info, see the KW digest, volume #1, issue #75: 1.75 Jose Garcia ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Wed, 23 Jun 93 04:00:11 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #113 Kraftwerk Digest Wed, 23 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 113 Today's Topics: AKTIVITAET fanzine in the U.S. info about KW in Linz? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Jun 93 9:07:00 PDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: AKTIVITAET fanzine in the U.S. To: kraftwerk Really-From: "Jeffrey T. Johnson" Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 19:25:20 GMT+0200 > From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) > Subject: AKTIVITAET fanzine in the U.S. > To: kraftwerk > > Really-From: Jose Garcia > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Some of you have read about the unofficial fanzine on KW, called AKTIVITAET, > done in UK. If you haven't, get the back issues of the digest. There's > some info and comments, or, if you cannot get them, e-mail me. > > Anyway, Fred Becker, who doesn't have access to e-mail, will probably > distribute copies of the fanzine in the U.S., making it easier and > cheaper for you people in the U.S. to get copies of the fanzine. > > If you're interested, get in touch with Fred: > > Fred Becker > Mach 25 Music > PO Box 26331 > INDIANAPOLIS, IN 46226 > Tel. (317)545-3114 > > Fred is also trying to get in touch with fans that want to help in forming > a fan club, or people interested in subscribing to such club. > > He happens to be a musician also, and has a CD released. I think it's > sort of ambiental electronic music. I wrote Fred the last time Jose posted his address. I received from him a nicely typed letter, along with a writeup of his CD, his Kraftwerk "wants" list, and some other info which I can't recall. The first thing he'd like to do, though, is become the US distributor for AKTIVITAET. So if you are interested, please drop him a line, and throw in a few stamps since he's doing this with his own money. BTW, Fred mentioned in his letter that one of the list members was going to supply him with printouts of the digest, but asked if I'd send a backup copy. Since I don't have Fred's letter in front of me, if *you* are that person, please drop me a line so I'll know if I also need to send them, if you want to split the effort, of if I should take over the effort. Thanks! /jeff -- Jeff Johnson | Cisco Systems, Inc | voice: (415) 688-7789 Software Engineer | 1525 O'Brien Drive | fax: (415) 688-4575 Router Management | Menlo Park, CA 94025 | email: jjohnson@cisco.com The difference between ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 13:06:20 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: info about KW in Linz? To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu KW was billed to play in a festival in Linz, Austria, the 17th June. Can anybody get info about the concert (and post it to the list)? They probably did the same show as in Groningen, etc. a month ago, but you never know! Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Thu, 24 Jun 93 04:00:09 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #114 Kraftwerk Digest Thu, 24 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 114 Today's Topics: Rift in Time (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 17:21:52 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Rift in Time To: kraftwerk Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I just bought an old copy of the original release of Autobahn... IT'S NOT THE SAME BAND! IT'S NOT THE SAME BAND! IT CAN'T BE! What happened, exactly, in that period between 1974-75? Why the major musical and image overhaul? Why did Florian, who used to decorate himself with flutes of all keys and sizes (I saw the photo on Ralf and Florian) suddenly give them up (he's got good tone, too!)? Did the influence of Flur and Bartos have anything to do with it? I swear it's two different bands! OH, and by the way: there is NOTHING to suggest that the car they are driving in on the front cover is a VW Beetle. The car IN FRONT of theirs is a Beetle, but, juding by the dash design and headlight shape on theirs, I think it's a Mercedes, like the one passing them on the other side of the road. Gabe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 20:01:10 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Rift in Time To: kraftwerk Really-From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Gaberiel Yedid asks: > "What happened, exactly, in that period between 1974-75? Why the major musical and image overhaul?" >From my perspective, Kraftwerk went through a fairly linear evolution. (Maybe you missed an album??) The transition from Autobahn to RadioActivity to TransEuropeExpress seems to me to be not such a big jump. Ah, but miss an album (either RadioActivity or TEE) and Kraftwerk would seem to have radically changed all of a sudden. ferenc *********************************************************** This message was sent from MATRIX (intacc.uucp) The views expressed in this posting those of the individual author only. *********************************************************** ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Fri, 25 Jun 93 04:00:10 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #115 Kraftwerk Digest Fri, 25 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 115 Today's Topics: internet-'till when ? (2 msgs) Rift in time ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Jun 93 13:26:37 METDST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: internet-'till when ? To: kraftwerk Really-From: "H." Boorsma Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >>>RED ALERT ! TOLL on the electronic autobahn ! <<< I got this mail from a friend of mine who picked this up on a YES discussion list. I have some questions about it : -Can anyone confirm this ? -Should action be taken ? Hillebrand > * * * * * * * * * * > > LOSING THE INTERNET > =================== > > > Most of you are probably aware of a plan to limit free use of > INTERNET to "scientists" transmitting huge files and to start > charging for e-mail. Apparently, this is the result of private > telecommunications interests putting pressure on the National > Science Foundation. > > If this plan is realized, it will mean that the majority of the > approximately 15 million users of INTERNET will be cut off. > Sadly, this is occurring just when the potential of this network > was starting to be realized. > > Something must be DONE. We can not let private interests deprive > us of access to INTERNET. > > I suggest that all concerned users register their protest/concern > directly with Clinton and Gore via e-mail. Their e-mail address > have recently been posted and they are: > > Clinton= PRESIDENT@WHITEHOUSE.GOV > Gore = VICE.PRESIDENT@WHITEHOUSE.GOV > > In addition, I also suggest that we identify the office in the > NSF which is responsible for INTERNET and register electronic > protests with them. > > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated, especially in > locating the e-mail address for the office in the NSF. > > * * * * * * * * * * > > N o t e s F r o m T h e E d g e > > > #71 > (c) THE Internet Magazine For YES Fans > 6/17/93 > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 93 14:46:17 EET DST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: internet-'till when ? To: kraftwerk Really-From: jhsa@ee.tut.fi (Salmij{rvi Janne) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Yeah.. that post has been around other mailinglists too and it was considered to contain only false information. If anyone actually has any 101% sure proof that it actually is true then... Well anyone someone with better knowledge on the subject can fill in the details. Janne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 93 13:20:37 METDST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Rift in time To: kraftwerk Really-From: "H." Boorsma Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > OH, and by the way: there is NOTHING to suggest that the car they are > driving in on the front cover is a VW Beetle. The car IN FRONT of theirs > is a Beetle, but, juding by the dash design and headlight shape on theirs, > I think it's a Mercedes, like the one passing them on the other side of > the road. > > Gabe > This seems to be an interesting speculation... I'll have a look in the '72 Merc 230 of a good friend of mine (Already drove that thing on the autobahn from Koeln to Duesseldorf playing the song.) BTW, I heard some comments on my signature. People say it's too large. Well, I'll send it for the last time now. Seems appropraite in this case. Do other people have KW ASCII drawings ? Would be nice to have a logo in the digest, if Dave's OK. ............................................................................... . /||\ . Hillebrand Boorsma / || \ . / || \ . Delft University of Technology +--------------------------------+ . Dpt. of Applied Fysics +-+ +------------------+ +-+ . Section Signal Processing \ / / || \ \ / . Lorentzweg 1 ++ / || \ ++ . 2628 CJ Delft / || \ . The Netherlands / || \ . / || \ . / || \ . E-mail: Boorsma@duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl / || \ . +------------++------------+ . Phone (private) : +31 (015) 615553 ................................................................................ "Wir fahr'n auf der Autobahn" ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Sat, 26 Jun 93 04:00:12 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #116 Kraftwerk Digest Sat, 26 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 116 Today's Topics: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #115 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jun 93 10:05:39 BST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #115 To: kraftwerk Really-From: Peter Cassidy Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > BTW, I heard some comments on my signature. People say it's too large. > Well, I'll send it for the last time now. Seems appropraite in this case. > Do other people have KW ASCII drawings ? Would be nice to have a logo > in the digest, if Dave's OK. > ............................................................................... > . > /||\ . Hillebrand Boorsma > / || \ . > / || \ . Delft University of Technology > +--------------------------------+ . Dpt. of Applied Fysics > +-+ +------------------+ +-+ . Section Signal Processing > \ / / || \ \ / . Lorentzweg 1 > ++ / || \ ++ . 2628 CJ Delft > / || \ . The Netherlands > / || \ . > / || \ . > / || \ . E-mail: Boorsma@duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl > / || \ . > +------------++------------+ . Phone (private) : +31 (015) 615553 > ................................................................................ > "Wir fahr'n auf der Autobahn" Awww! Keep the .sig. I really like it !! -- Regards, Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | M O T O R O L A B . V . I R E L A N D | | Peter Cassidy - T.S.E Dublin | Phone : 353-1-840-8866 Ext. 417 | | MACCVM : C10404 | X400 : peterc@comm.mot.com | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Mon, 28 Jun 93 04:00:08 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #117 Kraftwerk Digest Mon, 28 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 117 Today's Topics: digest logo... Elektric Music: esperanto (2 msgs) Rift in Time ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1993 11:14:19 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: digest logo... To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: "H." Boorsma > BTW, I heard some comments on my signature. People say it's too large. > Well, I'll send it for the last time now. Seems appropraite in this case. > Do other people have KW ASCII drawings ? Would be nice to have a logo > in the digest, if Dave's OK. Yes, that's true. Sorry Hillebrand. No offence. :) Maybe your logo would be appropiate for the digest, with the addition of a "kraftwerk" logo. I suggested to add a logo a few digests ago, well at the starting of the list. I also suggested to name the list, and I was for the name COMPUTER AKTIVITAET, which I think is very KWish and describes perfectly what is all this thing about. Jose Garcia "Computer aktivitaet is in the net for you and me" pepe@ctivax.uab.es ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1993 11:43:06 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Elektric Music: esperanto To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I've seen the Esperanto CD and tape widely available at record shops in Barcelona. Seems they finally got a worlwide record deal (except for G.A.S. and Poland, as it's stated on the back cover of the CD). The record is released on the EAST WEST label. Not sure, but maybe the copies on the SPV label are gone. They might be rare. Jose Garcia "Este es un programa de television espan~ola" pepe@ctivax.uab.es -TV- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 10:15:11 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Elektric Music: esperanto To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I didn't have a clue what G.A.S. meant. It means Germany, Austria, Switzerland. So probably the record label that releses the Elektric Music stuff is SPV. Jose Garcia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1993 11:23:48 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Rift in Time To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu \Gaberiel Yedid asks: \ "What happened, exactly, in that period between 1974-75? Why the \major musical and image overhaul?" After the big success of Autobahn, they adopted an image for the band, very European. It was a normal evolution, as they were the centre of attention for a lot of people. And as for the sound, they evolution with the technology. And what about the evolution from '71 to '73? There's a big difference from "KW 2" to "Ralf & Florian"! Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 04:00:09 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #118 Kraftwerk Digest Tue, 29 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 118 Today's Topics: Man, Machine and Music Rift in Time (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 10:29:37 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Man, Machine and Music To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I got the book by Pascal Bussy and I think it's quite enjoyable. It has some info I didn't know about, and very few people will know about. It has a few b&w pics, some of them quite good. Very few pics it has though. And yes, many statements are just possibilities, but with KW that's the most you can say. Many topics are, and will remain, secret. I read it in one day! It lists at the end quite an extensive discography, but with some mistakes. There are also a couple of imprecisions, being the most important one the fact that "R.Activity was the first album to be released in 2 different versions: English and German" or sth. similar, which is not true at all. As we all know, in some places R.A. is sung in English, in other places, in German. The mistake probably comes from the fact that the cover in the German edition is different, as it says "Radioaktivitaet" instead of "Radioactivity" but the music and lyrics are exactly the same. I recommend the book to every KW fan. By the way, if you find it difficult to get a copy, I think Peter van Dam can help. Jose Garcia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 93 14:07:45 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Rift in Time To: kraftwerk Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Previously, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Jose Garcia > > After the big success of Autobahn, they adopted an image for the band, > very European. It was a normal evolution, as they were the centre > of attention for a lot of people. > And as for the sound, they evolution with the technology. > > And what about the evolution from '71 to '73? There's a big difference > from "KW 2" to "Ralf & Florian"! Yep..."2" is still something of an experimental-type album, with about the only "commercial" track on it being "Klingklang", and that still has some odd points (the tape-speed shifts, the changes in overall mix quality between sections). "Ralf and Florian" has a much more commercial sound, overall, with no really noisy tracks, and in a lot of places, almost a "new-agey" feel. If we wanna talk evolution of the Kraftwerk sound, you could almost look at "Autobahn" as being the intermediate album between "Ralf and Florian" and "Radioactivity", and not so much as a stylistic stopping point. D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 10:14:15 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Rift in Time To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) > Yep..."2" is still something of an experimental-type album, with about the > only "commercial" track on it being "Klingklang", and that still has some > odd points ... Yes, "KW" and "KW 2" are quite experimental and with an industrial feel in some tracks. And the electric generator you can see inside the gatefold sleeve of "KW" adds to that feeling. > "Ralf and Florian" has a much more commercial sound Yeah, it's kind of a very "happy" album, music for dancing ("Tanzmusik" is a good example). It's not experimental and has no reference to technology or a concept. Again, the cover shows that feeling. "Autobahn" is the first album with a concept. It's a driving on the autobahn. We all know that. And all the following albums have a concept. Maybe the album that lacks something of a concept is "E. Cafe", but it still has a very KWish thing: using "noises" from everyday objects (telephones)... "The Mix" is a good "best of" thing. And what's next? I thing that KW find difficult to look for a concept for a new album. I mean, it wouldn't be seen very KWish if they just released an album without a concept. They might have new stuff but maybe they haven't found the right theme? What do you think guys? Jose Garcia "Sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" pepe@ctivax.uab.es ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 04:00:10 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #119 Kraftwerk Digest Wed, 30 Jun 93 Volume 1 : Issue 119 Today's Topics: "Numbers" CD for sale Copy of R&F found!!!! (2 msgs) Returned mail: Host unknown (fwd) Rift in Time (3 msgs) Rift in Time (What next ?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 16:34:05 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: "Numbers" CD for sale To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I have a spare copy of the CD "Numbers", recorded live in '81 in Japan. The sound quality and perfomance are great. IMO, one of the best bootlegs. The price is: 4000 pesetas + postage (just what I paid for it) Tracks: Numbers Computer World Computer Love Home Computer Neon Lights Autobahn Showroom Dummies Trans Europe Express The Robots It's More Fun to Compute If you are interested, get in touch with me: pepe@ctivax.uab.es Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 03:19:38 -0500 (EST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Copy of R&F found!!!! To: kraftwerk Really-From: 00gdwessel@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I just recently found a copy of RALF UND FLORIAN here in Muncie IN, of all places!!! There's a really cool used record store here in Muncie called Repeat Performance, and in their "Out of Print" section, they have ONE copy of it, in PERFECT condition, going for $20. Next time I have cash, let me tell you..... GEOFF WESSEL Ball State Japanese Animation Society 00GDWESSEL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU (VAX) *(Public Relations officer) RIP unix :~( Long live front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu! Ranma-kun/Ranmachan (IRC) "The first one to yell 'Grebo' gets a foot in the teeth!" -- Steve Albini ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 10:43:54 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Copy of R&F found!!!! To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: 00gdwessel@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu > I just recently found a copy of RALF UND FLORIAN here in Muncie IN, of > all places!!! I strongly recommend you get it! It's not very usual to find copies of it, plus it's a very good album and I don't think it will be re-released in a short time... Maybe never. Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 22:53:58 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (fwd) To: kraftwerk Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu The site Ken mentioned in his reply to me doesn't seem to exist (not according to the mail delivery at altitude.cam.org.). Does anyone know another site, the real site name, or should I start pressure tactics? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 22:51:30 -0400 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: yedid@Altitude.CAM.ORG Cc: Postmaster@Altitude.CAM.ORG Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 cstx.celtech.com (TCP)... 550 Host unknown 554 direct-request@cstx.celtech.com... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative answer from name server) ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by Altitude.CAM.ORG with PINE id AA17592 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for direct-request@cstx.celtech.com); Tue, 29 Jun 1993 22:51:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 22:49:10 -500 (EDT) From: Gabriel Yedid Subject: Request for addition To: direct-request@cstx.celtech.com In-Reply-To: <199306300028.AA28057@quip.eecs.umich.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 29 Jun 1993, Ken Alexander wrote: > > please help me put pressure on our well-loved administrator to start a > > VANGELIS MAILING LIST? > > Try direct-request@cstx.celtech.com I suppose there's a Vangelis mailing list at this site. Can I please be added to it--interactive format, please? Gabe Yedid (yedid@cam.org) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 19:09:46 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Rift in Time To: kraftwerk Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On Tue, 29 Jun 1993, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: [jarre & tadream fans: IGNORE THE KW STUFF. I got lazy and didn't feel like sending 3 messages.] > Really-From: Jose Garcia > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > "The Mix" is a good "best of" thing. > > And what's next? > > I thing that KW find difficult to look for a concept for a new album. I > mean, it wouldn't be seen very KWish if they just released an album > without a concept. They might have new stuff but maybe they haven't found > the right theme? > > What do you think guys? > > > Jose Garcia "Sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" > pepe@ctivax.uab.es I dunno...I think KW's whole edge was being ahead of the times, or right at the cutting edge. But now the cutting edge seems to have passed them. Maybe they have no more themes to find--they've done just about every technological theme (cars, robots, computers, electric objects, trains). Something REALLY original, something not even Peter Gabriel would do? BIOETHICS. (Sounds of EEG's and EKG's with lyrics about lying doctors and microsurgery, abortions, and transplants...or is this too much for the generic KW fan? Maybe not such a leap after "Sex Object"--one of their few songs with a social conscience.) [WHAT WOULD THEY CALL AN ALBUM LIKE THIS?] Personally, I think it's time for another "themeless" album, something in the style of R&F. That style, with the equipment they currently use, would sound quite interesting. AND NOW FOR PART 2! Jose, Jarre fans, KW fans, and Tangerine Dreamers, would anyone out there please help me put pressure on our well-loved administrator to start a VANGELIS MAILING LIST? Gabe. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 2:05:06 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Rift in Time To: kraftwerk Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Previously, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > > Personally, I think it's time for another "themeless" album, something in > the style of R&F. That style, with the equipment they currently use, > would sound quite interesting. Agreed! And since we're essentially back down to Ralf and Florian again, maybe they'll take the hint and try that tangent. After all, we now have denizens of "spacier-than-thou" techno groups prowling around, Karl Bartos winds up working with Andy McCluskey, and there's this band doing covers of "Ruckzuck"! The whole idea of Kraftwerk as sort of technological tour guides has been an effective one for coming up with themes, but personally, I'd just like to see 'em get back to some straight-out playing...no programmatics, no posing, no pretense...just something like what we had on either "Ralf & Florian" or "Autobahn" where they seemed to be a lot more interested in coming up with interesting music that had a lot to say, than interesting commentary that perhaps they could hide behind. Those first four albums, honestly and in my opinion, were _damned_ interesting documents. D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 10:03:44 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Rift in Time To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) > The whole idea of Kraftwerk as sort of technological tour guides > has been an effective one for coming up with themes, but personally, I'd > just like to see 'em get back to some straight-out playing...no programmatics, Yes, I'd like to see (hear) sth of this, but will they want to do it???? Maybe they're too obsessed with these themes... caught in a trap. And probably people would think "that's not KW" if they come up with an album with no reference to technology, from everyday objects. It wouldn't fit with KW. They must have tons of unreleased stuff, but maybe they want to find a new theme. > Those first four albums, > honestly and in my opinion, were _damned_ interesting documents. Yeah, and it's a pity that most of the people from this list don't have and probably have never heard the first 3 albums (at least that's what the poll showed some months ago). I would love to see them re-released on CD, with extra tracks from the sessions. That would simply be great, but again it doesn't fit with the KW concept. > Really-From: Gabriel Yedid > Maybe they have no more themes to find--they've done just about > every technological theme (cars, robots, computers, electric objects, trains) > Something REALLY original, something not even Peter Gabriel would do? Yes, that's the problem I think. They've run out of themes?! > BIOETHICS. Well, it's a possibility, but it's not related to everyday-things (cars, computers, electric objects, trains). "Man Machine" is probably an exception. I don't think it's KWish, you know what I mean. Maybe we all can help them to find a new KWish theme! ;) Come on, people. You must have your own opinion! What you're thinking about this right now, let us know about it! Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 11:54:28 EET DST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Rift in Time (What next ?) To: kraftwerk Really-From: jhsa@ee.tut.fi (Salmij{rvi Janne) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Sorry for duplicate posts on those on both jarre & kw lists but I made a mistake by replying to the mail send to _jarre_ list. Wonder what it was doing there anyway ? > Really-From: Gabriel Yedid > > Really-From: Jose Garcia > > > > And what's next? > > What do you think guys? > > Something REALLY original, something not even Peter Gabriel would do? Yup. Though my idea is not that original after all ;) [Read below] > BIOETHICS. > > (Sounds of EEG's and EKG's with lyrics about lying doctors and > microsurgery, abortions, and transplants...or is this too much for the > generic KW fan? Maybe not such a leap after "Sex Object"--one of their > few songs with a social conscience.) > > [WHAT WOULD THEY CALL AN ALBUM LIKE THIS?] Biomechanics. With coverart by H.R.Giger O:) Janne ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Thu, 1 Jul 93 04:00:11 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #120 Kraftwerk Digest Thu, 1 Jul 93 Volume 1 : Issue 120 Today's Topics: 'Electric Cafe' (4 msgs) KW Themes morse codes in radioactivity (2 msgs) New KW themes (2 msgs) RE>Re: Run out of themes?? (2 msgs) Rift in Time Run out of themes?? (4 msgs) Variations off KW tracks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 13:25:38 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: 'Electric Cafe' To: kraftwerk Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Anyone an idea what the philosophy (oops) behind the name Electric Cafe is? I can come up with a few of my own, but I've never heard the real thought behind it. Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl She's a module and she's looking good ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 19:17:45 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: 'Electric Cafe' To: kraftwerk Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >> Anyone an idea what the philosophy (oops) behind the name >> Electric Cafe is? I can come up with a few of my own, but >> I've never heard the real thought behind it. Maybe they were in Paris or something, at a cafe and just came up with the idea of some sort of virtual reality cafe. I think it's a cool name for an album. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 14:39:55 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: 'Electric Cafe' To: kraftwerk Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I asked a question once about this album, and only got one answer which let me down a little. Where (actually how) does E. Cafe fit in to KW's aggregate? It's the only KW album I've heard aside from The Mix. Janne said overall it seems to have been a bust, but it seems, nevertheless, to have left its mark on this list, especially on Jose! :) So it can't be all that bad. I actually liked it, particularly "Sex Object". The only decent real techno album I know--but still abstract enough to make "techno-lovers" raise their eyebrows (well, all KW albums are!). So what's your opinion of it? And where can I order a good copy of it? (I only HEARD the album--didn't buy it though.) Gabe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1993 02:13:50 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: 'Electric Cafe' To: kraftwerk Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >>The only decent real techno >>album I know--but still abstract enough to make "techno-lovers" raise their >>eyebrows You know another good track from EC is "Techno-Pop". It is one of the best techo tracks I've ever heard. And just recently it started to grow on me. Sounds amazing in surround sound, too! 8-) bml ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 12:05:53 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: KW Themes To: kraftwerk Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Maybe we all can help them to find a new KWish theme! ;) > > Come on, people. You must have your own opinion! What you're thinking > about this right now, let us know about it! How about the disintegration of the technological hierarchies KW honored in the past (ie, downsizing, GUI's, pen-based apps, etc. Moving towards a service based economy.) ? That might maintain a thematic continuity with their other stuff, while taking it forward a little. Or maybe *yawn* "virtual reality"? KW could probably make it interresting. It seeems they may already live in it ;) TERRE_THAEMLITZ@QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU /\ || /__\ |O | "SPACE LAB." |O | -Kraftwerk |O | |..| [||] | | /|..|\ / ==== \ /__[[]]__\ /..\ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 13:48:34 METDST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: morse codes in radioactivity To: kraftwerk Really-From: "R.A.M." Smeets Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi folks, Recently I tried to decypher the morse-codes in Radioactivity. Since I'm not a radio-amateur of any kind, I had to use trial and error. Therefore the possibility exists that I've made mistakes of some sort or the other... *** in RADIO-ACTIVITY on The Model, 3:18 version: morse-codes at the beginning say: .-. .- -.. .. --- .- -.-. - .. ...- .. - -.-- i.e. RADIOACTIVITY morse-codes after first lyrics say: .-. .- -.. .. --- .- -.-. - .. ...- .. - -.-- .. ... .. -. - .... . .- .. .-. ..-. --- .-. -.-- --- ..- .- -. -.. -- . i.e. RADIOACTIVITY IS IN THE AIR FOR YOU AND ME Possibly there might be more codes in the original long version, which I *don't* have on CD. (I'm not that kind of fan, you know) *** in RADIO-ACTIVITAET on The Mix, deutsche version (of course!) morse codes are generated much faster here and are more difficult to hear, but the results are the same. Only the second morse-string is different: i.e. RADIOACTIVITY IS IN THE AIR FOR YOU AND ME RADIOACTIVITY As you can see, there has been added one word to it, but it might be possible that this word is not: .-. .- -.. .. --- .- -.-. - .. ...- .. - -.-- but: .-. .- -.. .. --- .- -.-. - .. ...- .. - .-.- - As you can see, this second possibility differs only slightly in one dot at the end. This would not spell RADIOACTIVITY but RADIOACTIVITAET, with AE being the german A with two dots on it (A-Umlaut). Probably one of you guys will know more about morse-signs than I do and can correct me. But the real fans will get their forty or so bootlegs and try to figure out whether or not there exists a different version... Bob. (Who's afraid of me?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ R.A.M.(Bob) Smeets smeets@duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl [+31](015)158142 785331 785038 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 14:34:23 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: morse codes in radioactivity To: kraftwerk Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu The deciphered lyrics (Morse, German, and English) are available via FTP thru cs.uwp.edu. Both original and Mix versions are there. Gabe. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 14:15:44 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: New KW themes To: kraftwerk Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu There are two modes of transport they haven't covered: Airplanes Boats (would have to be high tech boats like hydrofoils or "Hoeverkraft" :) ) A revamped version of TEE to go with the times: "...straight connection, with T G V...TRAIN--A GRANDE--VITESSE..." :) How about something astronomical? (Homecomputers lead them to the future, radiotelescopes to the WAAAAAYYYY back past...) Instead of bioethics, good ol' biotech (too Man-Machine-ish?) Something like Autobahn, but about race cars (Hockenheim?) As if they'll actually listen to any suggestions... Gabe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1993 02:16:06 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: New KW themes To: kraftwerk Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >> As if they'll actually listen to any suggestions... Maybe they're waiting for new technology to be developed so they can produce an album about it... "I program my DEC AlphaPC -- beam myself into a 150MHz future.." bml ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 15:36:30 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: RE>Re: Run out of themes?? To: kraftwerk Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >>I think that one of the main reasons why Kraftwerk wouldn't come out with >>something new at this point is because there are so many techno/industrial/ >>house/acid/KW clones out there and KW might feel that their new stuff >>would become thrown together in that same category. > >There were plenty of same back when EC came out, not to mention The MIX. Not to mention Kraftwerk I! Electric music has been around for a long time! Kraftwerk helped make it accessible, and to me they are gods, but they picked up on things that had been going on since the 50's (at least). As for techno pop catching on in the late 70's, Kraftwerk made it big first and was dubbed the "leader" of other groups which had independently been working toward similar goals for a long time. And I think KW was eagerly part of a global movement, not a musical monopoly. It's been almost a quarter century, and I can think of very few one time revolutionaries who have remained at the vanguard when they helped define it! Perhaps KW is not looking for the vanguard anymore, but is finally settling in an environment they dreamed of - global technoid music everywhere, many of which still use their Roland drum sounds! I'm sure they're also dealing with a tremendous amount of wealth and time which they may feel is best spent on themselves rather than trying to please others (although it really doesn't take much more than their name showing up on an album, does it?). -terre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 15:45:28 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: RE>Re: Run out of themes?? To: kraftwerk Really-From: Eric Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Someone said... >>> ... there are so many techno/industrial/ >>>house/acid/KW clones out there ... >>There were plenty of same back when EC came out, not to mention The MIX. >Not to mention Kraftwerk I! House, acid, and KW klones back then too? I don't think so. >Electric music has been around for a long time! Thanks for the history lesson, but I don't need one. We weren't discussing merely electric music, or even _electronic_ music per se. >Kraftwerk helped make it accessible, and to me they are gods, but they >picked up on things that had been going on since the 50's (at least). Try the twenties (Antheil, Cage's essays) or even the teens (Russoli). Theirs was music that reflected the spirit of the industrial age, which is from, what, mid-1800s? Maybe I do need a history lesson after all. :-) >As for >techno pop catching on in the late 70's, Kraftwerk made it big first and was I dunno. Wasn't "Popcorn" a big hit around 72-73? ;-) >dubbed the "leader" of other groups which had independently been working >toward similar goals for a long time. And I think KW was eagerly part of a >global movement, not a musical monopoly. I fully agree here. ... >I'm sure they're also dealing with a tremendous amount of wealth and time >which they may feel is best spent on themselves rather than trying to please >others (although it really doesn't take much more than their name showing >up on an album, does it?). Not unless they want to undermine their integrity. I mean to release an album of new material that only resembled Kraftwerk in name could potentially piss off a lot of KW fans. I don't think they would do this, but I agree that their name alone would sell many many copies at least one new release regardless of the quality of the music. --Eric (Non-Stop) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 11:57:07 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Rift in Time To: kraftwerk Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I wouldn't care if they came out with an album about food. As long as they produced an album! Maybe they could write about Internet...netwroking, et al.. bml ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 13:06 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Run out of themes?? To: kraftwerk Really-From: Where is my mind? Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Really-From: Jose Garcia > >Come on, people. You must have your own opinion! What you're thinking >about this right now, let us know about it! I think that one of the main reasons why Kraftwerk wouldn't come out with something new at this point is because there are so many techno/industrial/ house/acid/KW clones out there and KW might feel that their new stuff would become thrown together in that same category. You would have to think that Ralf and Florian would feel that the genre they created (Electronic music) has spread to the masses, in terms of others playing and writing electronic music, and whatever they came out with now would not appear unique or creative (Except to the die-hards like us!). I believe that unless they can come out with something that would differen- tiate themselves from the glut of techo/electric crap that is out there right now, then they wouldn't bother to enter the market again right now. Michael Corbett mcorbett@loyola.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 13:49:34 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Run out of themes?? To: kraftwerk Really-From: Eric Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On Wed, 30 Jun 1993 13:06 EST you said: >Really-From: Where is my mind? >I think that one of the main reasons why Kraftwerk wouldn't come out with >something new at this point is because there are so many techno/industrial/ >house/acid/KW clones out there and KW might feel that their new stuff >would become thrown together in that same category. There were plenty of same back when EC came out, not to mention The MIX. Look at Elektric Music, the only category they've been lumped in is the Kraftwerk section of my fav record store. :) And in their case, they seemed to deliberately try to appeal to fans of the above mentioned genres. >You would have to think that Ralf and Florian would feel that the genre >they created (Electronic music) has spread to the masses, in terms of others Well, that was their goal, was it not? Electronic pop for the masses? >playing and writing electronic music, and whatever they came out with now >would not appear unique or creative (Except to the die-hards like us!). Very little that comes out is ever unique or creative, IMHO. I have every confidence that Kraftwerk could create another musical revolution. If it were easy for any of us to predict what they would do next, then that would hardly be worth the effort on their part. >I believe that unless they can come out with something that would differen- >tiate themselves from the glut of techo/electric crap that is out there >right now, then they wouldn't bother to enter the market again right now. Personally, I'd love it if they grabbed the techno bull by the horns and showed the pretenders how it's really done! >Michael Corbett --Eric "Now is the time on the Kraftwerk list when we dance! Auf Weidersehen!"--Dieter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 19:14:26 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Run out of themes?? To: kraftwerk Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >> I believe that unless they can come out with something that would differen- >> tiate themselves from the glut of techo/electric crap that is out there >> right now, then they wouldn't bother to enter the market again right now. Maybe they should put out a classical album. Or some Jazz. You never know. bml ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 14:27:54 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Run out of themes?? To: kraftwerk Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Previously, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > >> I believe that unless they can come out with something that would > differen- > >> tiate themselves from the glut of techo/electric crap that is out there > >> right now, then they wouldn't bother to enter the market again right > now. > > Maybe they should put out a classical album. Or some Jazz. > > You never know. Yep...full-circle back around to "Tone-Float" again...'twould be an interesting move, one with a certain logic to it, it seems... D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 12:06:10 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Variations off KW tracks To: kraftwerk Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Several weeks ago there was a short thread on KW remakes and take-offs by other groups. Upon recently obtaining "Flying High" by The Irresistable Force, I thought KW list members unfamiliar with it should know that the second track (Sky High?) samples heavily from "Ralf & Florian"s Ananas Symphonie. And it's FABULOUS! The entire CD is 73+ minues of mellow analogue heaven (and it lists KW in it's many thank you columns, along with "Harry Cow," which seems to be the product of a typesetter unfamiliar with Henry Cow ;) TERRE_THAEMLITZ@QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU | ( ( ( o ) ) ) | | I'm the transmitter - give information. |X| You're the antenna, catching vibrations. |X| -Kraftwerk |X| |X| _|X|_ ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ******************************