Date: Sat, 2 Oct 93 04:00:13 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #188 Kraftwerk Digest Sat, 2 Oct 93 Volume 1 : Issue 188 Today's Topics: Mailing lilst ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 11:11:54 CST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Mailing lilst To: kraftwerk Really-From: "leske" Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi there, i would like to subscribe to the mailing list for the Kraftwerk digest. Thanks Christophe Leske ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 04:00:12 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #189 Kraftwerk Digest Tue, 5 Oct 93 Volume 1 : Issue 189 Today's Topics: Howdy (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Oct 93 21:16 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Howdy To: kraftwerk Really-From: Chris Schumann Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I've just discovered this wonderful group and read all the old stuff (up to last Friday, anyway). To catch up: First heard Kraftwerk on HBO(!) showing some animated film behind-the-scenes show and Autobahn was playing. First KW purchase: Computer World LP. It is actually my first purchase of music besides buying stuff as a kid. Other artists I like: William Orbit, Peter Buffett, Richard Burmer, Erasure, Enigma, Depeche Mode, A-ha, The Art of Noise, Peter Gabriel, Information Society, Howard Jones, Men Without Hats, Gary Numan, Patrick O'Hearn, Pet Shop Boys, Steve Roach, Talk Talk, JM Jarre, TADream, They Might be Giants, Vangelis, Heaven 17, Yanni (No flames:), Yaz, and Yello. That should give you a very good (or twisted) idea of my tastes. Never saw KW live. But I did once meet someone who saw them (and she wasn't even a fan!). I have LPs and CDs of Autobahn on, TourdF on vinyl, and _The Model_. I also have _Ralf&Florian_ on a cassette that I made from (get this) an 8-Track Tape! (Yup, original Vertigo 8 track) I would so much like to find a kind soul who could and would record KW 1 & 2 for me. I could send tapes and postage. (and maybe some good Wisconsin cheese 8-) chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1993 01:51:03 DST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Howdy To: kraftwerk Really-From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Gauging from the music that you DO like, I would highly recommend you seek out and purchase albums by the Yellow Magic Orchestra. They were a huge electronic pop band in Japan in the late 70's/early 80's. They broke up several years ago, but a few months ago they got back together and put out a new album called Technodon (I'm still waiting to hear it!). I've actually heard the Orb remixes of this album and, well, YAWN......but the dude at the store told me that the regular album sounds NOTHING like the remixes and is quite uptempo and somewhat true to their original excellent sound. Yay! f-erenc #******************************************************************************* #This message was sent from MATRIX ARTS BBS * #The views expressed in this posting are those of the individual author only. * #******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 04:00:12 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #190 Kraftwerk Digest Wed, 6 Oct 93 Volume 1 : Issue 190 Today's Topics: Rare Kraftwerk Remixes? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 11:02:17 MET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Rare Kraftwerk Remixes? To: kraftwerk Really-From: Lars Nellemann Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi Everybody I'm new to this list - and I haven't received much info - but I hope for the best. Apart from Kraftwerk - my other musical interests are groups like Erasure, Pet Shop Boys, Orbital, Shamen, New Order, Cure, Yello, Yazoo and lots of others. I have a few requests and questions you guys on the list might be able to help me out with. 1. Has anybody knowlegde of bootleg remixes or DJ-only remixes of Kraftwerk songs - that could be Razormaid!, Hot Tracks etc. and if you do, and it is in your possesion - would it be possible to make a tape copy for me - maybe a trade for stuff I got. I have loads of DJ-only remixes of groups like Pet Shop Boys, Erasure, Yazoo, Depeche Mode. 2. Has anybody heard of a cover-version EP containing Kraftwerk tracks by other groups - I think Shamen was one of the contributors - or any other cover-tracks, I now about the Balanescu Quartet - and I've got a cover of "The Model" by Ride. - Again any kind of Tape trade is most welcome. 3. The last request is the first Kraftwerk things like Kraftwerk 1 & 2 and Ralph & Florian - I've never heard these LPs - can anybody tell me what they are like - and/or offer a tape trade? I've got everything official released on CD from Radioaktivity to The Mix (some of it in German releases). I'm currently on the digest list - so if you answer me at the list - it might take some time for me to get back - but you're welcome to mail me direct at nelleman@biobase.aau.dk Thanks Lars -- ***************************************** * Lars Nellemann * * University of Copenhagen * * Copenhagen, Denmark * * nelleman@biobase.aau.dk * * FAX: +45 3532 6120 * ***************************************** ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 04:00:12 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #191 Kraftwerk Digest Thu, 7 Oct 93 Volume 1 : Issue 191 Today's Topics: Florian Gets True Recognition Hey! Kraftwerk Digest V1 #190 SPOTTED: Long boxes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1993 22:11:57 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Florian Gets True Recognition To: kraftwerk Really-From: LERXT@delphi.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hey, Kraftwerkians. I am anxiously awaiting airplay of a single from the new Rush album (a little Radio-activity, if you will), so I thought I'd share this with you: After proudly showing off my larger-than-life poster of The Robots to a dorm-mate of mine, she directed me to the following excerpt from a recent issue of the British magazine "Select". The feature was 'Top 100 Coolest People', and funky Florian made the number-two spot. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ #2 - Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk Robots are cooler than people, but Kraftwerk are cooler than robots. More mysterious than an Agatha Christie library, more cryptic than a hectare of 'Guardian' crosswords, and *German* too (v. cool), the Werkmen's glacial workrate and self-lampooning sobriety sets them far beyond the common herd. So does inventing techno in 1974. Ralf Hutter is too splenetic to qualify, and also an over-fanatical cyclist (uncool!). However Florian's maths-teacher chic, regal chin and top slap-head hairdo saw off all corners save Drummond. [All of this is below a close-up of Florian's robot. The number-one winner was some pop star by the name of Drummond; a lot of the people I have never heard of. In addition to this intriguing description of Florian and Ralf, there are a couple of flags below each 'winner'. The ones that correspond to Florian are as follows: ] - Being above it all / Class A solopsism - Haircut - Good Records - Reacting to the zeitgeist like a chameleon - Being mysterious - Otherworldliness / Insanity ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Enjoy! --Jeremy Goldberg : lerxt@delphi.com : ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 93 19:46 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Hey! To: kraftwerk Really-From: Chris Schumann Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I sent a message to subscribe to the list to "Kraftwer-request@cs.uwp.edu" but I'm not getting anything yet! What gives? chris ------------------------------ Date: 7 Oct 93 08:16:17 GMT+1 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #190 To: kraftwerk Really-From: "Grimstvedt, Joar 7-96" Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Today's Topics: > Rare Kraftwerk Remixes? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Really-From: Lars Nellemann > > 1. Has anybody knowlegde of bootleg remixes or DJ-only remixes of > Kraftwerk songs - that could be Razormaid!, Hot Tracks etc. and if I don't know if this is what you've looking for, but someone calling themselves Dance Robots released a dance interpretation of Das Model some years ago. Also, you have the Afrika Bambaata track. > 2. Has anybody heard of a cover-version EP containing Kraftwerk tracks > by other groups - I think Shamen was one of the contributors - or any > other cover-tracks, I now about the Balanescu Quartet - and I've got > a cover of "The Model" by Ride. - Again any kind of Tape trade is most > welcome. I heard yesterday on MTV News that a Kraftwerk tribute was being released by Slovenian groups. Don't know much about this, though the names of some of these groups were mentioned. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 93 21:58 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: SPOTTED: Long boxes To: kraftwerk Really-From: Chris Schumann Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I know this came up a while ago. Strictly Discs here in Madison, Wisconsin has Autobahn and Electric Cafe for sale at US$12.99 each in the Elektra long boxes. I believe they accept MC/VISA and can be reached at 608-256-1991 Or if someone out there in a foreign country would like, I can purchase them and mail them to you. (It would be nice if you had some old stuff you would tape for me in return.) chris (still not receiving these mailings so email me) schumann@macc.wisc.edu ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 04:00:15 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #192 Kraftwerk Digest Fri, 8 Oct 93 Volume 1 : Issue 192 Today's Topics: about that DRUMMOND Electronic Music Festival in The Netherlands Florian Gets True Recognition Kraftwerk Digest V1 #190 (2 msgs) pair'n up? (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 09:59:39 +0200 (EET) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: about that DRUMMOND To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jouko Antero Huhtala Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Could it be possible that DRUMMOND that made number one before Florian was Bill Drummond - the other member of KLF ? T:Jhuhtala@alpha.hut.fi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 17:03:54 MET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Electronic Music Festival in The Netherlands To: kraftwerk Really-From: kleef@cs.utwente.nl (Rolf Kleef) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu What? KLEMdag 1993, Europe's largest festival for electronic music When? November 20, 1993 Where? "De Vereeniging", Nijmegen, The Netherlands Here's some info about the event, from KLEM's chief editor Frits (probably the best-known non-musician in the electronic world). Based upon my own experiences the last five years I can definitely recommend to come to the KLEMdag. Feel free to mail me for more info, if this isn't enough, or to inform me of more places to put this ad. Kind regards, Rolf. kleef@cs.utwente.nl (finger for my details: kleef@milk.cs.utwente.nl) ====================================================================== KLEMDAG 1993 On Saturday November 20, Association KLEM organises an international festival for electronic music, the "KLEMdag". Just like 5 times before, four enthousiastic members of KLEM from Eindhoven, Kees, Maranka, Ron and Ingrid, are preparing another succesful day. At this moment most activities are fixed, but some details still have to be filled in. In the coming editions of the KLEMblad we will keep you informed on the progress of our organisational activities. This year the KLEMdag will be held in the venue "De Vereeniging" in Nijmegen (a town in the east of The Netherlands). The hall we had up to now, "Het Turfschip" in Breda, had become too small to fit in the growing number of visitors. At the KLEMdag 1992 we had almost 1300 visitors, and because of the large number of positive reactions to this festival, this year we expect at least the same number of visitors again! "De Vereeniging" has an auditorium for 1450 visitors. Apart from the main auditorium there are many other small and big halls, where we will organise all kinds of activities. The venue is a 5-minute walk away from the railway station of Nijmegen, at the Keizer Karelplein in the center of the city, and it can also be reached easily by car. On Saturday November 20, you can enjoy the following activities: * A large number of stands of musicians from all over Europe, selling their music-products, and small record-labels, selling hard to find cassettes and records. If you are interested in a stand at the KLEMdag 1993, you should contact Kees van Bree, Jan Heynslaan 47, 5622 KK Eindhoven, The Netherlands, as soon as possible. * Private persons and amateur-musicians will have the opportunity to sell or trade their ssecond-hand or new electronic records, cds, and cassettes. This year we have reserved a special room for this. * We will show videos and films with much electronic music, and videoclips and concerts of electronic groups and musicians (Gandalf, Jarre, Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, Klaus Schulze and many others). There will also be slideshows with electronic music and lectures on subjects that have something to do with electronic music. * There will be a free raffle where visitors can win nice items. * The KLEM shop will be present with many items that have something to do with electronic music (posters, t-shirts, cds, tourbooks, books on musicians, etc) * Other fanclubs for electronic music will be present. * Many known electronic musicians will be among the visitors, so you will have the chance to talk with them. There is also plenty of opportunity to talk with fellow-fans of electronic music. * In "De Vereeniging" it is possible to buy food and drinks at fair prices. At the KLEMdag 1993 there will be SIX MAGNIFICENT ELECTRONIC CONCERTS: two amateur-concerts (Eric Snelders and Syndrone), plus four concerts by well known musicians: M.O.R.E. (Ron Boots & Eric van der heijden, plus John Kerr, Harald Grosskopf and other friends) from the Netherlands, Ian Boddy from the United Kingdom, Walther Christian Rothe from Belgium, and last but not least: from the USA: Suzanne Ciani for her very first concert in The Netherlands. Until November 1 it is possible to reserve tickets from: Kees van Bree, Jan Heynslaan 47, 5622 KK Eindhoven, The Netherlands. During pre-sales tickets cost 33 Guilders for paying members of Association KLEM, and 36 Guilders for all others (including friends and relatives of paying KLEM members). On November 20 the ticketswill cost 39 Guilders. Please send Kees van Bree the required amount in cash or as a EUROCHEQUE in GUILDERS, together with your name, address, town, KLEM membership number, and the number of tickets you want. The tickets will be waiting for you at the entrance on November 20. Please do NOT transfer money to our postgiro or bank, and send no other cheques than Eurocheques in Guilders, as this would lead to very high costs for us. Hope to see you on November 20! With compliments, Frits. -------------------------------------------------- STICHTING KONTAKT LIEFHEBBERS ELECTRONISCHE MUZIEK Amstelsingel 7, 4105 GZ Culemborg, The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0)3450-19087 Fax: +31 (0)3450-19871 -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 15:52:33 EET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Florian Gets True Recognition To: kraftwerk Really-From: Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > #2 - Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk > [All of this is below a close-up of Florian's robot. But it isn't Florian's robot. It's that third robot from the Mix cover, not Ralf or Florian, whoever that was, I don't remember the name right now. Stupid mistake from Select, IHMO. Oh, that coolest person, Bill Drummond, used to be in the KLF. Fly on! brummer@beta.hut.fi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 16:00:21 EET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #190 To: kraftwerk Really-From: Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: "Grimstvedt, Joar 7-96" > I heard yesterday on MTV News that a Kraftwerk tribute was being > released by Slovenian groups. Don't know much about this, though the > names of some of these groups were mentioned. Including Laibach, who are also the brains behind this project. Apparently they first intended to record a full album of Kraftwerk covers but decided to include some other bands, too. It should be rather interesting, remembering how they turned Opus' Life Is Life to a militant stomp that sounded a bit like it was 45 played on 33 speed. Fly on! brummer@beta.hut.fi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1993 12:16:47 -0500 (EST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #190 To: kraftwerk Really-From: Adrian Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hey !! Did you guys say Laibach was doing a tribute to Kraftwerk? Wow! I can't waitto hear that... Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 11:13:15 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: pair'n up? To: kraftwerk Really-From: Rick Fird Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi, I'v just been reading the information till now, but I finally have a question. I head a while ago that kraftwerk and electronic were going to pair up? Just wondering of this was true or not. Maybe I just have not seen it yet, who knows. Any info appreciated. Thanks, Rick rfird@carroll1.cc.edu o ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 17:29:37 +0100 (BST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: pair'n up? To: kraftwerk Really-From: Richard W Rackham Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > I'v just been reading the information till now, but I finally have a question. I head a while ago that kraftwerk and electronic were going to pair up? Just wondering of this was true or not. Maybe I just have not seen it yet, who knows. Any info ap> preciated. > Actually, Karl Bartos of Elektric Music is working with Bernard Sumner and Johnny Marr (aka Electronic). Richard (cs90rwr@brunel.ac.uk) ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 22:58:21 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #193 Kraftwerk Digest Tue, 19 Oct 93 Volume 1 : Issue 193 Today's Topics: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #186 KW 1+2 HELP!! KW could do it if they wanted (5 msgs) Mail lists OMD-The Man Machine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 13:44:55 -0400 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #186 To: kraftwerk Really-From: Tina Marie LeMarier Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 15:25:51 MET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: KW 1+2 HELP!! To: kraftwerk Really-From: Lars Nellemann Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi everybody I've posted this request before - but no-one answered me. So please - Could anyone help me with a tape Copy of the following: Ralph & Florian - Kraftwerk 1 + 2 - Tour de france and even thje Balanescu Quartet covers. We can make as a trade: I'll send you tapes with music you don't have. I Can send you the tapes. Or I can send you money I'm sure you can understand how it feels not knowing all of Kraftwerks Music. If you prefer trades I have DJ-only and Bootlegs with Depeche Mode Pet Shop Boys - Erasure - Yazoo and others. And german versions of most of the KW stuff - but you've probably got that already. Has anybody got news about the Slovenian KW Cover CD (Promoted by Laibach)? Hope to hear from somebody Lars nelleman@biobase.aau.dk -- ***************************************** * Lars Nellemann * * University of Copenhagen * * Copenhagen, Denmark * * nelleman@biobase.aau.dk * * FAX: +45 3532 6120 * ***************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1993 00:25:55 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: KW could do it if they wanted To: kraftwerk Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu After being exposed to endless hours of dance/rave/what-have-you with the glut of new DJ's at my school radio station, here is a rebuttal to all those who have been taking pot-shots at KW lately, with their dinosaur approach. 1--the "ambient techno" argument. Properly referred to as "trance", or so one of the "true blue" techno DJ's tells me its called. KW has already tried their hand at this. The title track from _Electric Cafe_, no less! It's got a "dreamy" enough melody. Replace the trademark industrial, realistic-sounding drum patterns with more upbeat thumping, pitch-adjust, and voila--instant trance--AND the "Sprockets" theme! Although much of the trance I have been exposed to (for the two shows I stuck around for) sounds, from a chordal aspect, more derived from late-80s TD than KW. As well, they can also do more classically-derived, yet rock-like stuff. ("TEE" and "Sex Object") 2--the outdated vision of technology. Note that KW's last two real albums, the cancelled _Technopop_ and _EC_, were much less machine oriented than their predecessors. "Tour de France", and "Sex Object" stand as proof to this. "Electric Cafe"'s stance on technology is fairly neutral--more about the culture of the times than its machines. As far as remixes of _Radioactivity_ and the new anti-Sellafield 2 video go, KW are justified in it because the things can still fuck up any time. 3--There's not much left to judge them on, unfortunately. Since they haven't released much at all since '86, nobody can really tell about what they might be doing behind the scenes (if they're doing anything at all). I belive Ralf said in an interview 2 years ago that "we have new material, but we can't say when it will be released." Well, what does the stuff sound like? One can only conjecture about it. Since they don't release singles or promos anymore, it gets even more complicated. [One scenario: The band formally breaks up in the next 5 years or so, when R&F "retire", and a 7-CD set comes out: "Kraftwerk: The Lost Years, 1991-1999"] (|-] 4--Maybe they don't want to follow market trends. At least they have their integrity, then. :-) Maybe they get fed up with other people saying what they should compose. >-) (Although I do think an abstract instrumental album from them would be nice--will they ever do one? probably not...) My point? They have the gear and know-how. It is within their grasp. If they don't want to bite, that's their own decision (ennerving to their fans, but, tough). And has anyone lately noticed the glut of dance groups, clad in black Spandex body suits, with robot-like headgear and glasses and jerky dance movements? Gee, I wonder where they got this from? And KW's later albums are _still_ better engineered than many dance/rave/trance albums being released. It's been so quiet on the list lately. Hope this ruffles a few feathers. Gabe A regular DJ at the Intergalactic Radio Station :-) and devoted non-dance, non-rave industrial techno fan. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1993 00:11:38 -0600 (MDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: KW could do it if they wanted To: kraftwerk Really-From: Lazlo Nibble Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > After being exposed to endless hours of dance/rave/what-have-you with the > glut of new DJ's at my school radio station, here is a rebuttal to all > those who have been taking pot-shots at KW lately, with their dinosaur > approach. I don't think anyone *here* has been dissing Kraftwerk for their approach. We're a lot more likely to dis them for not having released a new studio album in over seven years. You pretty much miss the boat re: trance and ambient-house, by the way. It's hard to say more than that without knowing what you've been exposed to. There's a *lot* of excellent material out there. Yes, it does follow in KW's footsteps in many ways -- it's hard not to if you're producing heavily-synthesized music, unless you're painting crystal landscapes for Santa Fe tofu-heads. But it's also innovative in ways that don't have anything to do with KW's style or techniques. -- Lazlo (lazlo@unm.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1993 00:14:24 -0600 (MDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: KW could do it if they wanted To: kraftwerk Really-From: Lazlo Nibble Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Another by the way, by the way: I've recently rediscovered Electric Cafe, which I used to *despise*, and a lot of why I like it now has to do with things I've learned to listen for by spending much of the last two or three years listening to techno and trance music evolve. So see, it's good for *something!* :-) -- Lazlo (lazlo@unm.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1993 19:39:00 DST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: KW could do it if they wanted To: kraftwerk Really-From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Gabe Yedid says: >".....KW's last two real albums, the cancelled _Technopop_ and _EC_..." I heard about the _Technopop_ album back when Tour De France was new. I was led to believe that _EC_ is the same album (perhaps with different mixes?). Last year I bumped into a KW freak at a party (I'm a freak but he was a *FREAK* to the nth power!) and he mentioned that he had a bootleg of _Technopop_. When I pressed him further about it, the conversation seemed to get muddled and I didn't get any other info (except that the songs were indeed different than on _EC_) So somebody..........please tell us about the album that should have come out in 1983!!!!! f-erenc #******************************************************************************* #This message was sent from MATRIX ARTS BBS * #The views expressed in this posting are those of the individual author only. * #******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 18:43:10 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: KW could do it if they wanted To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jonathan Komar Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On Sun, 10 Oct 1993, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > So somebody..........please tell us about the album that should > have come out in 1983!!!!! > > f-erenc > This album was supposed to come out, because it is mentioned on the long box of the U.S. compact disc. However, as you have seen yourself, it never did get released. I've never seen a bootleg copy and I'm a pretty avid Kraftwerk fan myself. Jonathan Komar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 21:11:55 -0500 (CDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Mail lists To: kraftwerk Really-From: Nunez Palacios Ramon Alfredo-FC Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hello. I would like to receive the digest My address is: palacios@132.248.10.4 Thanx! KrAfTwErK RuLeZ! PAL (MeXiC0) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 93 13:54:32 -0400 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: OMD-The Man Machine To: kraftwerk Really-From: John Richey Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu This is taken from QRM: OMD: The Man Machine by JoE Silva Things were weird yet promising at the height of the skinny tie era. While the eighties were still brand spanking new, Blondie could be found regularly cruising the AM dial and MTV's pallets consisted of just a fistful of Loverboy videos and old Hendrix footage. And while punk floundered until it morphed itself into hardcore, a wave of British electronic pop bands took hold of the ears of college radio. At first the whole lot of them were pitched by the media as slick, drummer-less fashion plates who poked away smugly at the most anti-rock friendly instrument ever created - the synthesizer. And in general, it was a pretty fair call. Rock magazines tripped over themselves pasting together a half dozen or so slim press releases for lengthy pieces on the soulless UK synth-pop revolution led by groups like Soft Cell, Depeche Mode, Blancmange and the band with the really funny name - Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark. "When we first started at the end of the seventies, I spent most of the interviews talking about the equipment and whether it was cold or human or real music or blah blah blah..." says Andy McCluskey, fifty percent of the original version of OMD (the more manageable version of the group's name for both fans and DJs alike...). Eventually OMD and a few of the others survived the initial stigma of being the latest Brit-pop import slash trend that was welded to most of their ilk. Soft Cell's version of "Tainted Love" was virtually welded to most turntables that were set in motion over US dance floors, Depeche Mode have amassed a huge following of chic yet grim fans that rivals The Cure's, and OMD managed a top five slot with a tune penned as a backdrop for one of John Hughes' "Molly-Ringwald-comes-of-age-yet-again" films. But the duo (keyboardist Paul Humphreys was the other principal member) that managed that success splintered sometime in 1989, and McCluskey was left with the option to regroup under the same banner. Since then he's pumped up his long-standing fan-base with the European success of the first post-Paul OMD album (1991's Sugar Tax), and has now nabbed both alternative and Top Forty radio programmer's attention with "Stand Above Me" the first single from his new release, Liberator. There probably weren't many who would have forecast a long life for OMD, but now with Techno raging onward both here and in England and technology firmly rooted everywhere in music, McCluskey has seen matters come full circle. "At the end of the eighties and into the nineties we're sort of seeing a splitting into two camps. There are those who are still pursuing electronics and going forward but there's been definitely a reaction against electronic music. I think a lot of it is that synthesizer music became so common that people are looking for an alternative and strangely enough there alternative is to go back to guitar, bass and drums." So with the industry's pendulum swinging towards grunge, Andy is again met with the not so simple proposition of putting across OMD's latest project to a US market that's rooted elsewhere. "I think the biggest problem is that we don't fit into any neat category. We're not really an alternative, weird, synth dance band. We're a pop group, but not like most people think about pop groups. I think it's been very hit and miss over the years. It's hard for me to know where we are and how are audience is perceived. We've got tracks on this album that are screaming to be singles, but we've got the American record company saying "Oh God, if you release that, that'll be a top forty hit which will kill you with alternative radio." McCluskey's persistent perception that OMD continue to be a strong wholesale pop effort, rife with hooky lines and generally unfussy arrangements, became one of the wedges that eventually splintered his 12 year partnership with Humphreys. Humphreys and the other two members (Martin Cooper and Malcolm Holmes) who fleshed out OMD, have formed the Listening Pool. "Increasingly I thought the more and more acoustic instruments we'd use the less the band had the sound of OMD. I'm a firm believer that OMD is a mixture of electronic and acoustic, and that it's actually the tension between the two that is OMD. I thought they were getting too much like middle aged musicians. You know, they were playing for a long time and they were more into little fills, delicate shades and I'm not delicate. Subtlety is not in my dictionary. I'm into melody..where's the hook, where's the vocal, the drums, bang bang bang that's it. We don't want to spend a day programming a hi-hat fill into the second chorus. Sod that." As Humphreys began insisting that Holmes and Cooper have more say in the OMD's direction, McCluskey pressed his belief that "band democracy" is not always a healthy thing and the result was all parties concerned separating. The Listening Pool so far have a self released single to their credit but record contracts and distribution deals have yet to follow. Liberator, however, is already reaching into US radio markets. The album has typical OMD synth polish and hook-ridden tunes, but the rhythms snatch their essence more from techno/house than any other reference point. The ties between OMD and the dance floor are not quite as severe as they are to New Order, but Andy saw it as a sort of oblique confirmation in what he'd been doing along. "It was an argument I had with Paul Humphreys at the end of the eighties. I was starting to hear this techno stuff taking off and Paul loathed it and I was saying to him "This is the generation that have been probably listening to us for the last eight to ten years and now they're taking our ideas and going forward with it."" Other nods on Liberator go to the Lord of hypno-love soul, Mr. Barry White. Three years or so ago McCluskey began playing with White's "Love's Theme," weaving his own notions over White's original song. "I wasn't particularly into soul music, but I guess as I got older and mellowed, I've started to take on board other things. But it took him three years to get him (White) to agree to do it. I think a lot of the older black musicians have been ripped off. But now I think they realize that if people are being honest and prepared to pay the money and the royalties and give credit where credit is due that it actually helps to prolong their career and bring them to a new audience." Also revamped for Liberator is the Velvet's "Sunday Morning." OMD have taken the VU's work before (there's a fairly decent reworking of "Waiting For The Man" filed away on an old OMD b-side...) and despite the inherently brash nature of much of Reed's work from that era, McCluskey feels he's come up with a fairly good take on the original. "It's basically my favourite track on that banana Warhol album and fortunately for me it's probably the easy one for me to do because it's got the least guitar on it. I mean the way the track is mixed on that album, it's basically glockenspiel and bass and that's pretty much the way I did it but I put in the dreamy, choral OMD sound floating in the background. It makes the whole thing a bit more pastoral." For all the lush moments on board, King of Stone is a strong roots oriented piece for OMD, returning to the more sparse technology/Kraftwerk geared sound that formed much of McCluskey's earlier influences. As recently as last year Andy was able to confer with his synth mentors and fielded an invite from former Kraftwerk percussionist Karl Bartos to co-write new material for his new project, Electric Music. "I was very nervous meeting Karl and trying to write a song with one of my heroes, but after a couple of days we wound up talking a lot about music. One of the things Karl was saying to me that it was so difficult for German people to sing in English. And I said that's not the problem. I said the problem is specifically that the kraftwerk thing for the last twenty five years is been using technology in songs to write songs about technology and I said technology's here now and nobody cares any more. I mean everybody's got a computer. So your problem is what you gonna sing about now? I think what you should be singing about is the interface. And then I think we had a few beverages and I said "I've got it! I'm going to write a song about the most obvious interface between humans and machines. I'm going to write a song about fucking a robot." So he gave me a melody, and I came back to Liverpool and wrote a song called "Kissing The Machine." Despite touching base with his roots, Andy has adopted some of the more "event" based notions of gigging that have been employed by bands like 808 State, and Big Audio Dynamite for the upcoming Liberator shows. "The idea for the US is a sort of expanded gig. We're actually hoping to play all standing venues...ballrooms. We're gonna be employing local DJs and at least one, maybe two, dance oriented bands, so that we turn it into an evening of dancing and indulging. So when we finish at eleven or twelve, it'll basically be like a club..dancing 'till two in the morning." He still worries about the occasional technological glitch that can bring their performances to a abrupt halt. "The main thing is that you've got to have power stabilizers with batteries in them to iron out any fluctuations or spikes. Because if you even get a millisecond hiccup, your waiting forty five seconds for them to reload their programs, which seems like a lifetime on-stage. It's not like busting a string." ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 04:00:09 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #194 Kraftwerk Digest Fri, 22 Oct 93 Volume 1 : Issue 194 Today's Topics: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 10:30:12 -0500 From: kraftwerk-request To: (null) ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 13:28:33 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #195 Kraftwerk Digest Mon, 25 Oct 93 Volume 1 : Issue 195 Today's Topics: KW cover? Is such a thing possible? Ultra Rare Trax (4 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 08:59:38 -0600 (CST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: KW cover? Is such a thing possible? To: kraftwerk Really-From: BEUTHET@wl.aecl.ca Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Here is a small bit if a post whcih appeared on the Eno-L list recently whcih might be of interest to KW fans... > > > MUSIC REVIEW: BEAUTIFUL MUTANTS > by Sarah Ovenall and Sean Haugh > > >BEAUTIFUL MUTANTS: A Tribute to Devo >produced by Brian Eno >on CD, cassette, or vinyl LP from Rykodisc >release date October 19, 1993 > >When we heard that a Devo tribute album had been released, we had to >buy it as soon as possible. Brian Eno's production work was an >especially good sign; Eno is known for producing some of the best >music of the past twenty years, including Devo's first album, Q. ARE >WE NOT MEN? A. WE ARE DEVO! Eno did not let us down this time. Like >all good tribute albums, BEAUTIFUL MUTANTS has moments of genius and >brilliantly odd combinations side by side with dismal failures. >Fortunately for devotees of the spud boys, the successes far outnumber >the failures. > >Kraftwerk kicks off the album with their rendition of "Devo Corporate >Anthem." Though it is at heart a straight cover, Kraftwerk makes it >essentially theirs, which makes perfect sense considering how much >Devo owes to Kraftwerk themselves. Following the Corporate Anthem is >one of the few real disappointments of BEAUTIFUL MUTANTS: Elvis >Costello's cover of "Baby Doll." Though he rarely records covers, >Elvis proved he could acquit himself on one with "Don't Let Me Be >Misunderstood" from his album KING OF AMERICA. But unfortunately, he >didn't live up to the promise of "Baby Doll." Lots more, not relevant to KW deleted... Thomas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 12:20:46 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Ultra Rare Trax To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jonathan Komar Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I just thought some of you might be interested to know that the guys of "Ultra Rare Trax" have recently released a CD of Kraftwerk remixes. The group has also released rare remixes from Erasure, Depeche Mode, Pet Shop Boys, and even The Orb. I'll have to say that the remixes are really neat and the sound quality is excellent! Here's a list of what's on this CD: 1. Computer World (Klick Mix) 2. Pocket Calculator (East Meets West Mix) 3. Music - Non Stop (Cut Up Mix) 4. Trans Europe Express (T.E.E. Mix) 5. The Robots (Program Mix) 6. Autobahn (Peoples Car Mix) 7. Europe Endless (Open Borders Mix) 8. Man Machine (Space Mix) 9. The Model (Catbonic Mix) 10. Neon Lights (Ton-up Mix) 11. Showroom Dummies (M.C.M.G. Mix) I had recently heard of another "Remix" CD with a bunch of RAZORMAID! mixes on it. Can anyone tell me how to get one? Jonathan Komar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 93 12:39:11 +45722824 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Ultra Rare Trax To: kraftwerk Really-From: (Chris.Hilker) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Really-From: Jonathan Komar >I just thought some of you might be interested to know that the guys of >"Ultra Rare Trax" have recently released a CD of Kraftwerk remixes. The >group has also released rare remixes from Erasure, Depeche Mode, Pet Shop >Boys, and even The Orb. I'll have to say that the remixes are really neat >and the sound quality is excellent! Here's a list of what's on this CD: [Track list deleted] The URT people usually include some information about each track, like who remixed it and where it came from. Assuming they've stayed true to form, would someone type this info in and post it to the list? C. -- (chris.hilker) cspot@cats.ucsc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 20:59:06 +0100 (MET) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Ultra Rare Trax To: kraftwerk Really-From: bombuzal Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > I just thought some of you might be interested to know that the guys of > "Ultra Rare Trax" have recently released a CD of Kraftwerk remixes. The > group has also released rare remixes from Erasure, Depeche Mode, Pet Shop > Boys, and even The Orb. I'll have to say that the remixes are really neat > and the sound quality is excellent! Here's a list of what's on this CD: > Thanks for the info. > > > I had recently heard of another "Remix" CD with a bunch of RAZORMAID! > mixes on it. Can anyone tell me how to get one? > I still have some copies of "The Remix" CD. Price is US$ 20. I also have some Kraftwerk Live CDs for sales. Ask for my complete Kraftwerk saleslist. Peter van Dam bombuzal@hacktic.nl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 17:23:55 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Ultra Rare Trax To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jonathan Komar Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > The URT people usually include some information about each track, like who > remixed it and where it came from. Assuming they've stayed true to form, > would someone type this info in and post it to the list? > > C. > > -- > (chris.hilker) cspot@cats.ucsc.edu I know that URT usually do this as they have in the past with the other CD, but unfortunately this particular one doesn't give credit to the remixer. Plus, I've never knew that these remixes existed, so I have no source to go by. Jonathan Komar ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 04:00:10 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #196 Kraftwerk Digest Tue, 26 Oct 93 Volume 1 : Issue 196 Today's Topics: KW cover? Is such a thing possible? (2 msgs) New Sales list ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 20:37:39 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: KW cover? Is such a thing possible? To: kraftwerk Really-From: Eric Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I read the full post to the eno list about the devo tribute album. Among others, it also lists Dolly Parton as one of the contributors. The post was a clever hoax. The album doesn't exist. You can stop looking for it. :) --Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 01:56:48 DST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: KW cover? Is such a thing possible? To: kraftwerk Really-From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Eric says: >"The post was a clever hoax. The album doesn't exist. You can stop looking for it. :)" Hmmmmmmm...... The local CD shop dude had indeed heard of this album (Here in Canada, we couldn't have gotten it on the American Oct 19 release date anyway) On what do you base your statement that the post is a hoax? Of course, I don't know one way or the other, I'm just asking. f-erenc #******************************************************************************* #This message was sent from MATRIX ARTS BBS * #The views expressed in this posting are those of the individual author only. * #******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 00:54:07 +0100 (MET) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: New Sales list To: kraftwerk Really-From: bombuzal Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hello all Kraftwerk collectors, I just finished my new Kraftwerk sales list. It contains lots of interesting items. Mail me if you want to get a copy of the sales list. Greetings, Peter van Dam bombuzal@hacktic.nl ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 04:00:16 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #197 Kraftwerk Digest Wed, 27 Oct 93 Volume 1 : Issue 197 Today's Topics: Devo tribute album and hoax How to subscribe? Kraftwerk Digest V1 #196 (2 msgs) Kraftwerk Survey (3 msgs) New Sales list (3 msgs) Old poll ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 23:13:23 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Devo tribute album and hoax To: kraftwerk Really-From: Eric Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu (this is going to the Devo and Kraftwerk lists) >Really-From: edgreen452@aol.com >I have an album called Q:are we not DEVO A: We are the DEVOTEES with about >ten bands imitating DEVO for a contest on KROQ, a California station. A >classic!d It the truest sense of the word--it came out over 10 years ago, right? 10 no-name bands. Jerry Casale did have a hand in picking the winners, tho. Not to flame, but I was unimpressed after hearing it, so I didn't buy it. In retrospect, it was an excellent piece of Devo-mania. As for the hoax album--c'mon, they have Dolly Parton covering the obscure "Worried Man". Give me a break! It was also a telling point that they didn't mention the real tribute album. --Eric "i'm a mechanical man" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 11:36:58 +0100 (MET) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: How to subscribe? To: kraftwerk Really-From: Roger Tell Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu How do I subscribe to this mailinglist? /Roger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 17:57:28 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #196 To: kraftwerk Really-From: jaze@echonyc.com (Jonathan Hayes) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu There WAS a Devo cover tribute album, which came out after ARE WE NOT MEN at around the time of DUTY NOW FOR THE FUTURE. Goofy LA-style DEvo clones. Not without appeal, not with Brian Eno at the helm. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 22:43:00 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #196 To: kraftwerk Really-From: edgreen452@aol.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I have an album called Q:are we not DEVO A: We are the DEVOTEES with about ten bands imitating DEVO for a contest on KROQ, a California station. A classic!d ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 10:39:05 MET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Survey To: kraftwerk Really-From: Lars Nellemann Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi Kraftwerkians At the Babble-list (Cure-fans) they are doing a survey of which album and song is the most liked among list-members. I thought it would be a good idea to copy the thing for this list. So if you would care to fill in the form and return it to: nelleman@biobase.aau.dk Subject: Kraftwerk Survey Before November 6th 1993 I will compile the result and post it to the Kraftwerk mailing-list KRAFTWERK SURVEY FORM ======================= JUST FILL IN THE BLANKS. ===================cut off here when replying======================== Name: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THREE FAVOURITE KRAFTWERK ALBUMS: RANK IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE.... 1: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 3: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ FIVE FAVOURITE KRAFTWERK SONGS: RANK IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE.... 1: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 3: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 4: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 5: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ====================cut off here when replying======================== -- ***************************************** * Lars Nellemann * * University of Copenhagen * * Copenhagen, Denmark * * nelleman@biobase.aau.dk * * FAX: +45 3532 6120 * ***************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 09:17:39 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Survey To: kraftwerk Really-From: Sean Berry Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On Tue, 26 Oct 1993, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Lars Nellemann > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > > Hi Kraftwerkians > > At the Babble-list (Cure-fans) they are doing a survey of > which album and song is the most liked among list-members. > I thought it would be a good idea to copy the thing for > this list. So if you would care to fill in the form and > return it to: > > nelleman@biobase.aau.dk > > Subject: Kraftwerk Survey > > Before November 6th 1993 I will compile the result and post > it to the Kraftwerk mailing-list > > KRAFTWERK SURVEY FORM > ======================= > > JUST FILL IN THE BLANKS. > ===================cut off here when replying======================== > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > THREE FAVOURITE KRAFTWERK ALBUMS: > RANK IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE.... > > 1: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > 2: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > 3: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > FIVE FAVOURITE KRAFTWERK SONGS: > RANK IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE.... > > 1: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > 2: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > 3: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > 4: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > 5: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ====================cut off here when replying======================== > > -- > > ***************************************** > * Lars Nellemann * > * University of Copenhagen * > * Copenhagen, Denmark * > * nelleman@biobase.aau.dk * > * FAX: +45 3532 6120 * > ***************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 12:11:05 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Survey To: kraftwerk Really-From: Jonathan Komar Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Name:Jonathan Komar > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > THREE FAVOURITE KRAFTWERK ALBUMS: > RANK IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE.... > > 1:The Mix > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > 2:Electric Cafe > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > 3:Computer World > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > FIVE FAVOURITE KRAFTWERK SONGS: > RANK IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE.... > > 1:Tour de France > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > 2:Radioactivity (new version) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > 3:Space Lab > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > 4:Musique Non-Stop > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > 5:The Telephone Call > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 11:46:06 +0100 (MET) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: New Sales list To: kraftwerk Really-From: linstee@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Erik van Linstee) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Stuur mij hem ook even graag, dank u, alstublieft :-) Erik ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 11:58:07 +0100 (MET) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: New Sales list To: kraftwerk Really-From: linstee@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Erik van Linstee) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Really-From: linstee@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Erik van Linstee) > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Stuur mij hem ook even graag, dank u, alstublieft :-) Whoops, sorry, wasn't meant to go to the entire list. Erik ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 08:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: New Sales list To: kraftwerk Really-From: Sean Berry Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On Tue, 26 Oct 1993, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: bombuzal > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Hello all Kraftwerk collectors, > > I just finished my new Kraftwerk sales list. It contains lots of > interesting items. Mail me if you want to get a copy of the sales list. > > Greetings, > > Peter van Dam > bombuzal@hacktic.nl > I would like to have a copy of your list! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 12:50:49 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Old poll To: kraftwerk Really-From: kzim@ucrmath.ucr.edu (christopher zimmerman) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In case anyone's interested, here is the poll that Jose Garcia ran eons ago.. it will be interesting to see if tastes have changed with more people on the list. --begin included text ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + KRAFTWERK POLL - RESULTS + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Questions: 1) Best KW album 2) Best KW song 3) Second best KW song 4) Third best KW song 5) Best mix from "The Mix" 6) Have you attended any KW gig? What's been the best one? 7) Do you have all the KW albums (on record, tape or whatever)? (1, 2, R&Florian, Autobahn, R-Activity, T E Express, M Machine, C World, E Cafe) 8) Name 3 other of your favourite bands (no matter what music style). A few comments: Originally, "The Mix" was not considered as a normal album, but a compilation or "best of", though it's not exactly that. Very few people voted for this album or songs from this album. I've made no distinction between versions from single or album (this applies to the "best mix from The Mix"). Where present, quantities between brackets are %. For the "best, second best, third best song", I've given 3, 2 and 1 point for each of the answered song. ===================== Number of votes: 32 =========================================================================== 1) Best KW album =========================================================================== The Man Machine ....... 14 (43.75) Computer World ........ 7 (21.87) Electric Cafe ......... 5 (15.63) Autobahn .............. 2 ( 6.25) Radio Activity ........ 2 ( 6.25) Kraftwerk 2 ........... 1 ( 3.12) The Mix ............... 1 ( 3.12) Kraftwerk ............. 0 Ralf and Florian ...... 0 Trans Europe Express .. 0 (No big surprises; "kraftwerk 2" has 1 vote !!!) =========================================================================== 2) Best KW song 3) Second best KW song 4) Third best KW song =========================================================================== The Model ............. 25 Autobahn .............. 18 The Robots ............ 14 Radio-Activity ........ 13 Neon Lights ........... 12 Tour de France ........ 12 Computer World ........ 9 Numbers ............... 9 Europe Endless ........ 8 Pocket Calculator ..... 8 Trans Europe Express .. 8 Home Computer ......... 7 Musique non Stop ...... 7 The Telephone Call .... 7 Boing Boom Tshack ..... 6 Home Computer (Mix).... 6 Computer Love ......... 3 Kling Klang ........... 3 Heimatklange .......... 2 The Man-Machine ....... 2 Metropolis ............ 2 Stratovarius .......... 2 Franz Schubert ........ 1 Hall of Mirrors ....... 1 Kristallo ............. 1 Radioland ............. 1 Showroom Dummies ...... 1 Spacelab .............. 1 none .................. 3 --------------------- TOTAL 192 (No big surprises in the first ones; "autobahn" was in the first place for some time; a few of the songs must not be known to many of you!!!) =========================================================================== 5) Best mix from "The Mix" =========================================================================== Radioactivity ......... 15 (46.87) The Robots/Robotronik . 5 (15.63) Autobahn .............. 2 ( 6.25) Music Non Stop ........ 2 ( 6.25) Pocket Calculator ..... 2 ( 6.25) Computer Love ......... 1 ( 3.12) Home Computer ......... 1 ( 3.12) Trans Europe Express .. 1 ( 3.12) none .................. 2 ( 6.25) (No comment) =========================================================================== 6) Have you attended any KW gig? What's been the best one? =========================================================================== No 16 91 14 Yes (I assume 91 (?)) 2 (Half the people have been to a KW gig, and seems it has been in the last tour) =========================================================================== 7) Do you have all the KW albums (on record, tape or whatever)? =========================================================================== Don't have: Kraftwerk ............. 21 Kraftwerk 2 ........... 20 Ralf and Florian ...... 19 Autobahn .............. 2 Trans Europe Express .. 1 The Man Machine ....... 1 Computer World ........ 1 Electric Cafe ......... 1 Radio Activity ........ 0 Yes, I don't have all of them (?)... 3 (Very few people have the first 3 albums; when will we have a CD re-release?) =========================================================================== 8) Name 3 other of your favourite bands. =========================================================================== Depeche Mode 7 Tangerine Dream 5 Front 242 4 Yello 3 808 State 2 Die Krupps 2 Einstuerzende Neubuten 2 James Brown 2 Jean-Michel Jarre 2 The KLF 2 Laibach 2 Laurie Anderson 2 Orb 2 The Smiths 2 Ultravox 2 Yellow Magic Orchestra 2 2 Unlimited 1 A Certain Ratio 1 Abba 1 The Alan Parsons Project 1 Aphex Twin 1 The Art Of Noise 1 Bauhaus 1 Bark Psychosis 1 Big Black 1 Bill Nelson 1 Borbetomagus 1 Cabaret Voltaire 1 Claude Debussy 1 ClockDVA 1 Cranes 1 Cr@ss 1 The Cure 1 Cybotron 1 Dead Can Dance 1 Deep Purple 1 Earwig 1 Erasure 1 Foetus 1 Frontline Assembly 1 Gary Numan 1 Genesis 1 Human League 1 In The Nursery 1 Joe Satriani 1 John Foxx 1 King Crimson 1 LFO 1 Madonna 1 Marillion 1 Miles Davis 1 My Bloody Valentine 1 Neil Young 1 New Order 1 Nitzer Ebb 1 Nurse With Wound 1 Pink Floyd 1 Pop Will Eat Itself 1 Propaganda 1 Ruthless Rap Assassins 1 Severed heads 1 Spacelab 1 Swell Maps 1 Talking Heads 1 The Time 1 Throwing Muses 1 Wendy Carlos 1 (Quite a few bands, and what a mixture! Musique non stop!!!) ** End of results ** "La musica ideas portara y siempre continuara, Jose Garcia sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" --end included text I realize this is in a digest somewhere, but hey, who reads digests? ;-) Christopher Robin Zimmerman A regular at the Electric Cafe ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 04:00:10 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #198 Kraftwerk Digest Thu, 28 Oct 93 Volume 1 : Issue 198 Today's Topics: subscribe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 13:05:41 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: subscribe To: kraftwerk Really-From: Bj|rn Andersson Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subscribe me to the kraftwerk mailing list, please. ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 04:00:12 CST From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #199 Kraftwerk Digest Mon, 1 Nov 93 Volume 1 : Issue 199 Today's Topics: Kraftwerk Poll - reminder (4 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Oct 93 11:55:47 MET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Poll - reminder To: kraftwerk Really-From: Lars Nellemann Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi Everybody Just a reminder for the KRAFTWERK POLL. I haven't got that many answers back on my KW Poll request - 6 to be exact - so please take a minute of your time to list down: 1) The three best KW albums. 2) The five best KW songs. For example: Albums: 1: Autobahn 2: Trans Europe Express 3: Electric Cafe Songs: 1: The model 2: Man-Machine 3: Computer-love 4: Autobahn 5: Die roboter and mail the anwsers to nelleman@biobase.aau.dk Before Nov 7th. and I'll count all the answers together and post the result to the list. Now that isn't to hard - and the more answers - the merrier! Lars -- ***************************************** * Lars Nellemann * * University of Copenhagen * * Copenhagen, Denmark * * nelleman@biobase.aau.dk * * FAX: +45 3532 6120 * ***************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 12:43:45 -0800 (PST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Poll - reminder To: kraftwerk Really-From: Sean Berry Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu My 3 Favorite Kraftwerk Albums Are: Electric Cafe The Man Machine Computer World My 5 Favorite Songs Are: Radioactivity (The Mix Version) Sex Object Showroom Dummies The Robots Computer World ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 93 22:31:22 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Poll - reminder To: kraftwerk Really-From: edgreen452@aol.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu My three favorite albums: Computerworld Electric Cafe Trans-Europe Express My Five Favorite Songs: Numbers Pocket Calculator Telephone Call 12" remix Tour de France Sex Object ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 93 23:21:28 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Poll - reminder To: kraftwerk Really-From: plmoses@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (Paul L. Moses) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Jeez, why does everyone like the version of "Radioactivity" on The Mix? I *never* liked it. The version on the "Radioactivity" lp is SO much better IMHO - ghostly, ethereal & ominous, yet subtle... Even the Francois Kerkovian remix of the Mix version is better than the album version on The Mix!!! My 3 fave KW cds: Autobahn, Radioactivity, Trans-Europe Express 5 favorite songs: EUROPE ENDLESS ! Radioactivity Tour De France Autobahn (22 minute version, old) Telephone Call (remix) Paul ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 04:00:12 CST From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #200 Kraftwerk Digest Tue, 2 Nov 93 Volume 1 : Issue 200 Today's Topics: Kraftwerk Poll - reminder KW cover? Is such a thing possible? (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 19:43:59 +0100 (MET) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Poll - reminder To: kraftwerk Really-From: bombuzal Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Three best KW Albums: > 1: Der Mensch-Machine > 2: Computerwelt > 3: Electric Cafe > > Five best KW Songs: > 1: Tour de France > 2: Der telefonanruf (Telephone call) > 3: Computerliebe (Computerlove) > 4: Musique Non Stop > 5: Die Roboter ( The robots ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 15:25:28 +0200 (EET) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: KW cover? Is such a thing possible? To: kraftwerk Really-From: Brummer Brummer Brummer Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) > Hmmmmmmm...... The local CD shop dude had indeed heard > of this album (Here in Canada, we couldn't have gotten it > on the American Oct 19 release date anyway) > > On what do you base your statement that the post is a hoax? > > Of course, I don't know one way or the other, I'm just > asking. From alt.fan.devo: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From ovenall@acpub.duke.edu Mon Nov 1 15:18:01 1993 From: ovenall@acpub.duke.edu (Sarah Ovenall) Newsgroups: alt.fan.devo Subject: Re: REVIEW: Beautiful Mutants Date: 29 Oct 93 04:08:48 GMT Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Nntp-Posting-Host: north2.acpub.duke.edu Hi, I am the person who posted the review of the non-existant Devo tribute album. Yes, that's right, the album is non-existant. We made it all up. I didn't put a disclaimer on the review because I thought it would be obvious that the album was not real. There were many clues scattered throughout that this could not be a real release. Perhaps the clues were too subtle in retrospect, but at the time I thought it would be apparent. The review came out of a conversation over dinner between my husband Sean and myself: we were talking about the most incredible covers of Devo songs we could imagine (I think the one that got the ball rolling was Devo themselves covering "Dare to be Stupid" by "Weird Al" Yankovic, which I would kill to hear the spuds do). Pretty soon we realized that we had enough covers to fill a whole album, so when we started getting this newsgroup we decided to write it up and post it. This was never intended as a "hoax" that would trick people; we meant it as a tribute to our favorite band. We had a lot of fun writing it, and wanted to share it with this group. I am truly sorry if anyone's feelings were hurt or anyone felt deceived or whatever. Like I said, I thought it would be obvious that "Beautiful Mutants" could not be real (much as I might wish it were). Sarah ovenall@acpub.duke.edu (if you need to flame, please do it in e-mail) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It would have been fun though... In fact I have heard a "new" Kraftwerk song recently. MTV Europe has a new show called "Musique Non Stop" and they said that the theme song was written by Kraftwerk. Well, it just repeats "Musique non stop" over and over again in a robot voice with some small synth voices on the background. IHMO, it's not really just a remix but then again not a proper song either... Well, at least they are doing something... Fly on! brummer@beta.hut.fi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 93 19:32:32 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: KW cover? Is such a thing possible? To: kraftwerk Really-From: edgreen452@aol.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Is there a mailing list related to alt.fan.devo? If so, please subscribe me. ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ******************************