From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #108 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 1 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 108 More Questions A little question Re: Virtu Ex Machina ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 30 NOV 94 15:52:31 EST Subject: More Questions Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA 1. Does anyone on this list have direct or indirect associations with Ralph or Florian? 2. Has anyone on this list been to Kling Klang? 3. Do any members of Kraftwerk have children? If so are they into music? 4. Do any members have any MIDI files of Kw songs? or know where to get them? (Im considering doing one for "Radioactivity" song) 5. Has anyone verified the Bussy statement about Ralph on the cover of a German cycling magazine? ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:03:20 +0100 Subject: A little question Really-From: c94petan@ida.his.se (Peter Andersson) I have a question about a Maxisingle with Showroomdummies and Spacelab on the A side and Europe endless on the B side The record number is 12 CL 16098 and is released on Capitol records Do someone know anything about this record (eg. if then how rare?). /Peter Andersson ,Sweden ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 94 06:06:54 GMT Subject: Re: Virtu Ex Machina Really-From: kevinb@decision.demon.co.uk (Kevin Busby) In kraftwerk-digest 2 : 102 majortom@muc.de (Michael Wesemann) wrote:- >I'm just hearing the Virtu ex Machina Bootleg from Tokio 81. I notice the >first track called "Beethoven-Intro" which is a classical theme played with >synthesizers. Can somebody tell me who made this? I don't think it's from >Kraftwerk. Although I've never heard the track, I understand it's by Walter Carlos of 'Switched On Bach' fame. Walter is now Wendy Carlos (thanks to modern surgical techniques), so you might see albums under either name, depending on how old they are. I particularly like the LP 'Beauty in the Beast', which features some very impressive imitative synthesis on the Synclavier and various exotic/microtonal tunings; music which is experimental but easily accessible (an approach I'm sure most of us here appreciate!). BTW, my copy of the CD 'Numbers' doesn't have this track, so obviously it's not exactly the same as 'Virtu Ex Machina', which I had previously been led to believe. Regards kevinb - -- This node had an online crash 94/11/29 and may still have problems. If you send email and don't receive a reply within a week, your email has been lost; please email again. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #108 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #109 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 2 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 109 3 CD Capitol Set Capitol Set Re: 3 CD Capitol Set RE: Capitol Set music list of lists? Re: Fav song on "The Mix" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 10:40:42 +0100 Subject: 3 CD Capitol Set Really-From: John Mccall Richey Anyone heard of this three CD set from Capitol, limited edition, and all that? My friend in NYC bought it for me this past weekend, but I have not seen it. JMR ________________________________________________________________________ * John M. Richey * * For Home Page: http://menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu/~jrichey * * johndjfd@w250zrz.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE * * Technische Universitaet Berlin * * jrichey@sitvxc.stevens-tech.edu (Vax/Vms) * * jrichey@gauss.stevens-tech.edu (NeXT) * * jrichey@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu (Sun/SGI) * * jrichey@laplace.math.stevens-tech.edu (NeXT/Math Lab) * * Stevens Institute of Technology * * Hoboken, NJ USA * - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 10:45:37 +0100 Subject: Capitol Set Really-From: John Mccall Richey Some information regarding the 3CD set: A limited edition 3 cd boxed set: Karftwerk - The Capitol Years (includes a 40-page booklet, a sticker and a fold-out poster). It's put out on Cleopatra Records (CLEO94162) (heard of it?) The Man Machine (CLEO5877) Trans-Europe Express (CLEO5876) Radio Activity (CLEO5875) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 11:05:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: 3 CD Capitol Set Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: John Mccall Richey > > Anyone heard of this three CD set from Capitol, limited edition, and all that? No, and I don't think I'll ever buy it. CLEOPATRA sucks !!!! Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 01 Dec 1994 06:58:36 +0000 (U) Subject: RE: Capitol Set Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." > A limited edition 3 cd boxed set: Karftwerk - The Capitol Years > (includes a 40-page booklet, a sticker and a fold-out poster). It's put out > on Cleopatra Records (CLEO94162) (heard of it?) Yea, It's been out in a couple of local CD stores here for a few weeks now. No big deal. Just the same 3 Cleopatra CDs with a booklet in a cheap cardboard box. Spend your money if the booklet is worth that much to you. Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 18:49:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: music list of lists? Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Sorry to waste bandwidth, but maybe someone on the list knows. Where can the "music list of lists" (with an exhaustive list of internet mailing lists) be obtained from? Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:56:04 -0600 Subject: Re: Fav song on "The Mix" Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > From kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Fri Nov 11 10:32:59 1994 > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 94 16:16 CET > From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) > Sender: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu > To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu > Subject: Fav song on "The Mix" > Content-Length: 432 > X-Status: > > Really-From: pivic@skom.se (Niklas Pivic) > > I can't decide wether it's "Autobahn" or "Radioactivity". The playing with > the voices in the first one is perfect. Kraftwerk's sense of harmony is > great! When they played the song on tour (this happened in Sweden, at > least), the starting of the car in the beginning was prelonged, because > the car wouldn't start. ;) > ^^^^^^^^ ??? Did they have a MB Diesel onstage? - -gbr ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #109 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #110 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 3 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 110 Re: Fav song on "The Mix" Re: music list of lists? Re: Fav song on "The Mix" Re: bandwidth waste Re: music list of lists? Sign up ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 09:23:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Fav song on "The Mix" Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Gregor B Rochow Gregor, I have nothing against you BUT, Don't you think that a quote of 18 lines for a message of 1 line is a bit too much???? (By the way, from these 18 lines of quotes, only 7 are of message, the rest are of the mail header!) You are not the only one to do it, so please everybody keep the quotes to the minimum necessary! Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 09:53:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: music list of lists? Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Well, after travelling on the net I've finally found it myself. In case anyone is interested: Site: ftp.uwp.edu (of course :) cd music cd faq get lomml That is it. By the way, in the faq directory mentioned above there are faq files for several mailing lists and bands, BUT no Kraftwerk! I have not found the kraftwerk FAQ file in the kraftwerk directory either. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 01:23:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Fav song on "The Mix" Really-From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman Jose, I have nothing against you BUT, Don't you think that a message that could have just as easily been sent via personal email going to the entire list is a bit too much???? And, yes, I know I'm doing the same thing. ;-) Christopher Robin Zimmerman ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 11:07:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: bandwidth waste Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman > > Don't you think that a message that could have just as easily been sent via > personal email going to the entire list is a bit too much???? NO, BECAUSE it is not only John that does it. I wanted that all the people who use to waste so much bandwidth realized about it. AND this mail is for the same thing, in case it was not clear enuff. That's why I'm sending it to the list instead of sending it to you. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 12:41:37 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Re: music list of lists? Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) > Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Sorry to waste bandwidth, but maybe someone on the list knows. > > Where can the "music list of lists" (with an exhaustive list > of internet mailing lists) be obtained from? You used to be able to send mail to mlol-request@wariat.org, but the last time I tried that I got an "unknown user". :( - -- Johann Johann Visagie | Tel: +27 21 887 1822 | Email: jvisagie@active.co.za Active Access | Fax: +27 21 887 1829 | URL: http://www.active.co.za ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 02:05:31 -0500 Subject: Sign up Really-From: Pigsnack@aol.com Please add me to your mail list ..... thanks ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #110 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #111 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 4 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 111 KW Bootlegs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 17:26:14 +0100 Subject: KW Bootlegs Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) I just returned from a record fair in munich where I got the following KW CDs: - - Tone Float Recorded from the LP with 2 Bonus Tracks: "Noitasingaro" and "Vor dem Blauen Bock" (which is probably Rueckstoss Gondoliero) The cover is a reprint of the original. - - Kraftwerk which is recorded from the 1. KW LP + bonus track "Ruckzuck" recorded live in Cologne 1975 - - Kraftwerk 2 from the LP + bonus "Kometenmelodie 1" also live from Cologne '75 - - Ralf & Florian from the LP with exact reprint of the cover. Also includes a (colour) reprint of the poster in the original LP as a 8 page booklet. I've been looking for this poster for some time and it's quite funny, containing various cartoons to the songs drawn by Emil Schult. These 4 CDs are obviously recorded from the LPs, you can hear a scratch now and then, but the overall quality is OK. If you haven't got the originals they are certainly worth getting. - - The Man Machine Recreated A remix of the LP Man Machine + Tour de France. Be warned: This is total shit. I'm sorry for my money. Some Techno Kid applied his own synth sounds to this one and mixed/sampled around a little. It really is terrible. yuck. - - Kling und Klang Live A Milano 1991 Altough I didn't want to buy any more 91 bootlegs this one is a must have. The sound quality is ok, DAT, stereo, not recorded from soundboard though. But the pictures! The cover is a b/w photo of the 4 KW dummies operating the 1981 setup in the Kling Klang Studio, with a fairly good view of the equipment, as it is taken from the side. The booklet consists of 12 pages with b/w live photographs from the 91 concert on the left pages and quotes from Ralf Hutter + Florian Schneider on the right pages. The pictures are impressive, showing Ralf in action, with some good views of the equipment and also the pocket calculator line-up. Very nice indeed. - - mw ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #111 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #112 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 5 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 112 what does everybody listen to ? Re: what does everybody listen to ? Dislikes Re: what does everybody listen to ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 1994 17:25:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: what does everybody listen to ? Really-From: SUBRATAB@delphi.com Here's a question for all who feel interested in replying. What other types of music/artists do you listen to ? - - Subrata ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 20:02:36 -0700 Subject: Re: what does everybody listen to ? Really-From: lab@indirect.com (Louis A Bustamante) >Here's a question for all who feel interested in replying. What other types >of music/artists do you listen to ? *Deborah Harry* and Blondie Catherine Wheel Pet Shop Boys Propaganda (w/and w/out CB) D:Ream disco/techno/dance and a million other things =================== ____ ======================================== Louis in Phoenix \ _/__ Smurf+Twink=Smink S0/3 g- y- z- o x- u- lab@indirect.com \X / T6C1L3s h+ a-- w+ c- y t+(1,4,6,10) k ======================= \/ ======================================== ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 5 DEC 94 00:31:07 EST Subject: Dislikes Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA Being an upstart I'd like to change the scope of a recent Email requesting musical tastes and reform it to "musical sours" Here goes: 1. Madonna 2. 100 Madonna clones 3. Tiffiny 4. 100+ Tiffiny clones 5. etc + clones (how about some originality? This aspect of the present musick industry disturbs me. The marketers clone any new trend. I heard a pink floyd song that sounded like U2 this summer!!! And the populus lap it up. Maybe that's why WWF is so popular, NRA has power, and crooks like Brian Mulroney run countries. These thoughts make me dislike humans/sheep.) 6. Top 40 7. Grunge (two guitars and a bass playing the same thing at the same time) 8. Bands/individuals that don't write their own music but are merely "performers" not "musicians" 9. Bands that use drum loops or guitar/voice samples from other songs (the analogy is Monet paints a picture but artist x cuts out a part and pastes it to a canvas) 10. Rap ( Usually crass egotistical distructive lyrics with no melody and sounding like other songs. It disturbs me that the youth of today are so into/influenced by RAP.Its a shame that even good kids are enticed by the inner city gun/gang/drug fashion/ideal associated with rap. At least the Sex Pistols/Clash/U2 /joy division groups from my generation spoke out/philosophised social/religious unjustices, abortion and criticized "the system" 11. Country rock (Whats wrong with Hank Williams Western? It's way too cool for those achy breaky line dansing sheep! Gottta get you roots people) 12. Anything with horns. (must be genetic with me) 13. The 3-4 year sentence after the release of a new Kraftwerk album! (If they time released the album song by song the withdrawel symptoms would be bearable. I think drug junkies fare better between fixes than us Kraftwerk junkies) How about yours? Philip Pilgrim ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 21:57:12 -0700 Subject: Re: what does everybody listen to ? Really-From: Soleil Lapierre On Sun, 4 Dec 1994, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Here's a question for all who feel interested in replying. What other types > of music/artists do you listen to ? Ambient music from Europe Art of Noise Chris Sheppard Tomita Techno in general Peter Gabriel Genesis Jean-Michel Jarre Moxy Fruvous C&C Music Factory KLF Depeche Mode /------------------------------------v------------------------------------\ | Soleil Lapierre | That which does not kill me makes | | Internet: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | me stranger. | | Fidonet: Soleil Lapierre, 1:134/40 | | \------------------------------------^------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #112 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #113 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 6 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 113 Just Say No to KW-List Flamewars Re: Dislikes No lists Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #112 Older KW digests Re: what does everybody listen to ? Music Likes RE: kraftwerk-digest V2 #112 RE: (Dis)likes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 04:02:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Just Say No to KW-List Flamewars Really-From: "L. McCarthy" - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Philip Pilgrim writes: > Being an upstart I'd like to change the scope of a recent Email > requesting musical tastes and reform it to "musical sours" Being a Usenet veteran of sorts, I implore you not to flamebait like this on a mailing list. You're simply inviting an enormous flamewar about all sorts of musical topics which have nothing to do with Kraftwerk. These discussions belong elsewhere. I'm sorely tempted to jump into debate about most of your list of dislikes, but this is *not* the place for it ! > 13. The 3-4 year sentence after the release of a new Kraftwerk album! > (If they time released the album song by song the withdrawel symptoms > would be bearable. I think drug junkies fare better between fixes > than us Kraftwerk junkies) [This is the lone item with KW relevance.] For reference, a rough list of my favorites includes (more or less in order): the Beatles, Simon & Garfunkel, the Rolling Stones, Elton John, the Pet Shop Boys, Madonna, Steely Dan, the Clash, Al Stewart, the Police, Erasure, Yaz, the Bee Gees, Eurythmics, Fleetwood Mac, Genesis, Eddy Grant, & Gerry Rafferty My favorite single of the past month or two is Gloria Estefan's cover of Vickie Sue Robinson's "Turn the Beat Around". - - -L. Futplex McCarthy - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLuLW3Wf7YYibNzjpAQH9IAQA5utIqrxck4rBnQvz2I/zkoa//FM61WFU o/rYi7tQJe034x0+JvhSq5TMH5vBIF/YzF0Ao+pLMszi5aBuokx3/pRcKuRjgfZY CIaORBJY1Txm4m31m+HwTb6At3rM/PnA0s79IL6cwoUzD0qDcL+kfhwy4P5+6ahj JrJl77F2mmY= =rPGg - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 04:28:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Dislikes Really-From: Bassman794@aol.com On Dec. 3 Philip Philgram writes: >7. Grunge (two guitars and a bass playing the same thing at the same >time) >10. Rap ( Usually crass egotistical distructive lyrics with no melody > and sounding like other songs. It disturbs me that > the youth of today are so into/influenced by RAP.Its a shame > that even good kids are enticed by the inner city gun/gang/drug > fashion/ideal associated with rap. At least the Sex Pistols/Clash/ > U2 /joy division groups from my generation spoke out > /philosophised social/religious unjustices, abortion and criticized > "the system" I may be mistaken but I could have sworn that the Sex Pistols and the Clash had, for the most part, the gutiars and the bass playing the same thing. Also as an recording engineer who works in L.A., I work with a lot of rap artists, and I have to say that even though I personally don't like rap, I think you stop a listen to some of the new rap that is out there before you pass judgement. I have worked with rap artists that have very musical tracks. In fact I would dare to say if you really listen to the music, especially the basslines, you would be very impressed. - -Terry ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 07:26:13 -0600 Subject: No lists Really-From: David Datta The Kraftwerk mailing list is NOT a place for lists of things (likes or dislikes) unless they are related to Kraftwerk. If you want to make "I like" or "I don't like" lists, please do it on USENET or in some other forum. (As long as it isn't a forum I maintain.) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 94 09:47:43 EST Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #112 Really-From: "YEDID,GABRIEL,MR" What I go for besides KW: TD (any phase after _Atem_) JMJ, Schulze, some ambient, but not much lotsa classical: particular faves are Bach, Berlioz, Beethoven, medieval and Renaisasance choral music and I've yet to meet an organ work I don't like...Bach is again my favorite organ composer, but Vierne and messiaen aren't far behind... Gabe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 05 Dec 1994 10:31:10 +0000 (U) Subject: Older KW digests Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." I didn't notice anywhere in the latest Kraftwerk FAQ where you can find back issues of the KW digests. Could someone direct me to them? Thanks, Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:31:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: what does everybody listen to ? Really-From: Ricky Yu Lo On Sun, 4 Dec 1994, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: SUBRATAB@delphi.com > > > Here's a question for all who feel interested in replying. What other types > of music/artists do you listen to ? > > - Subrata > The list is quite long, but here it goes: Depeche Mode Nine Inch Nails Recoil Ministry New Order Jean Michel Jarre Revenge OMD Electronic Information Society The Beatles Sting Nitzer Ebb Front 242 KMFDM Laibach U2 The Clash Rollings Band Black Flag The Smiths Morrissey 808 State The Cure Mecano Bauhaus Erasure Pet Shop Boys Thomas Dolby Brian Eno The Residents Modern Talking Ricky Med Student University of Costa Rica - ------------------------ PS: Does anybody know if THE GRID has an album or is there only the single available? - ------------------------ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:32:48 GMT Subject: Music Likes Really-From: dhills@tcp.co.uk (David Hillier) I'm 28 years old and have a fairly wide range of musical taste. A large majority of it does tend to be electronic/new age/ambient Jean-Michel Jarre Kraftwerk Tangerine Dream Robert Schroeder Ian Boddy Mark Shreeve Kitaro Enya Propaganda Art of Noise Trevor Horn The Grid The Buggles Pet Shop Boys Micheal Cretu Enigma Brian Eno Klaus Schulze Yello I could go on.......... Dave. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:35:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: kraftwerk-digest V2 #112 Really-From: "DR. FUNKENSTEIN" Interesting to learn what everybody listens to. My personal favorites (besides KW) are: Miles Davis Herbie Hancock Return to Forever (or any early Chick Corea) Mahavishnu Orchestra King Crimson (check out their last release (amazing), "Vrooom") Peter Gabriel Jimi Hendrix VSOP Philip Glass Steve Reich ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 04:34:59 EST Subject: RE: (Dis)likes Really-From: beard@met.co.nz To start on a positive note, here's some of my musical likes: Techno/Trance/Ambient (especially Orbital, Sven Vath, The Grid, Cosmic Baby, Jam & Spoon, Moby) British Techno/dance/pop (Utah Saints, Fluke, Jesus Jones) Depeche Mode (before they started trying to be U2) Other 80s UK Synth-pop (Thomas Dolby, Thompson Twins, Bronski Beat, Yaz(oo), Erasure, early Eurythmics, Art of Noise, Pet Shop Boys, Talk Talk) European 70s/80s Synth (TD, JMJ) Minimalist composers (Steve Reich, Terry Riley, Philip Glass, Michael Nyman) Baroque (Bach, Vivaldi) 'The Bristol Sound' - the wonderful Massive Attack and Portishead ...and for something completely different, Tori Amos. In reply to Ricky's question about whether the The Grid had an album out - yes, they have three. The first, 'Electric Head', came out in about 89 or 90, and is very difficult to get hold of. It is quite uneven, but the best tracks have a very strong KW influence (and there were rumours that they were collaborating with KW on a project - can anyone confirm this?). The second album, '4,5,6', was released a couple of years ago, and has Dieter Blank from Yello on vocals on one track. 'Evolver' is the latest album, and includes the singles 'Texas Cowboys', 'Rollercoaster' and of course 'Swamp Thing'. IMHO, it's a very good album. Back to the main thread, and that list of dislikes. You're on shaky ground dismissing sampling to a group that likes electronic music - KW use a lot of smaples of voices etc. Your analogy to cutting up bits of Monet and sticking them on your own canvas is valid, but it proves nothing. This is exactly the technique that Andy Warhol used, and the use of collage in the visual arts has been accepted for decades. In literature, you could go right back to Eliot and Pound to see a similar effect. You rant against rap is also a little dodgy. There are a lot of techno artists who use intelligent rap lyrics and imaginative juxtaposition of samples to great musical effect - for example, KLF, Massive Attack, The Grid and Utah Saints. You can't just lump everyone who uses rap together and say 'rap is bad'. I hope this whole thing doesn't turn into a flame war, and that we get back to Kraftwerk before too long. Tom B. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #113 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #114 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 7 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 114 STOP THE LISTS OR I WILL SHUT DOWN THE LIST Flame off Apology RE: (Dis)likes Re: STOP THE LISTS OR I WILL SHUT DOWN THE LIST flame wars ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 07:50:52 -0600 Subject: STOP THE LISTS OR I WILL SHUT DOWN THE LIST Really-From: David Datta The subject says it all. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 6 DEC 94 11:10:04 EST Subject: Flame off Apology Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA Memebers of this forum, I appologize for my "Dislikes" Email. I am new to the INTERNET and am learning eticate as I fumble along. I just want to say that my opinions were simply "my opinions" not a social or political attack what so ever. I hope this settles things. Now back to Kraftwerk please! Philip Pilgrim ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:21:35 -0600 Subject: RE: (Dis)likes Really-From: Gregor B Rochow a BTW about rap: one should also consider that there's a lot of rap with great music, but the lyrics stink (we-hate-all-whites, let's-kill-some-cops type stuff). (and then there's Di** Almighty by 2 Live Crew; the lyrics are so absurd they're funny, and the music is entirely from the first few seconds of Mensch Maschine) - -gbr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:24:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: STOP THE LISTS OR I WILL SHUT DOWN THE LIST Really-From: Ricky Yu Lo I just brought a 1990 CD from a group called "Manufacture", it has 11 songs which ressembles KW, some instruments are very KW. The disc is called TERRORVISION by Nettwerk Productions (#88561-5015-2). Those interested on Industrial/Kraftwerk/Front 242 -look.a.likes this album is for you. Ricky University of Costa Rica - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \ \ / / \ X / V V - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 1994 01:34:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: flame wars Really-From: SUBRATAB@delphi.com Well, since I was the one who started this "what do you like to listen to" thing, I'll put in my two cents. No offence to Dave Datta, who quite properly points out that this is a board for Kraftwerk only, but I find it interesting as a Kraftwerk fan to know what other fans listen to. I've always thought that the band had a diverse group of followers, and the few posts I've already read support that conclusion. And, frankly, the above couple of posts have been a damned sight more interesting than some of the other KW related posts I've been reading for the last few days. Anyway, to those who replied, thanks ! Now we can get back to the more important issues ! Regards, Subrata ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #114 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #115 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 8 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 115 Re: Electric Cafe Re: sound quality Re: Man Machine Boot? Re: flame wars flame wars RE: flame wars Re: flame wars hate Kraftwerk? Re: flame wars New Clock DVA compilation Re: flame wars ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 09:32:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Electric Cafe Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Funny, I think "Sex Object" was an intentional joke, and I consider "Electric Cafe" one of their finest achievements. Guess it's all a matter of taste. Also--wonder why the group's recorded output is so small. I'll bet a large part of it is due to the fact that they must be wondering how to outdo themselves, and everyone else, now that anyone with a few hundred dollars can make electronic dance music. (Nevertheless, not everyone can write a good melody, something at which Kraftwerk is brilliantly adept). ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 09:34:08 -0500 Subject: Re: sound quality Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I cannot agree. Don't know about the CDs (other than The Mix, which is excellent), but the LP's, especially European pressings, are outstanding, utterly fantastic on a High End system. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 09:38:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Man Machine Boot? Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Where can I get a copy of "The Remix?" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 09:48:08 -0500 Subject: Re: flame wars Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I have so much to say about Kraftwerk. Unfortunately, with a wife, demanding job, four month old baby, dog, and cat, I don't get to spend as much time as I'd like (though this is fun, I'll make time!) I'm looking forward to communicating on the most arcane of levels (I have many bootleg recordings, videos, printed matter, and have written a few reviews on the band). Hardly a week goes by that I don't listen to them; their music fascinates me (curiously, I used to hate it, but that's another story). My brother, another major fan, postulates that they may actually be in communication with advanced alien species, so otherworldly is their music! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 08:46:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: flame wars Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > And, frankly, the above couple of posts have been a damned sight more > interesting than some of the other KW related posts I've been reading > for the last few days. I'm sure that if I started posting nude GIFs of Julie Roberts people would find it "interesting" too, but that doesn't mean it'd be appropriate to this list. If you want to poll the list about something, ask them to email their answers to you and post a boiled-down version of the results when it's over if you feel compelled to. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 1994 16:04:27 BST Subject: RE: flame wars Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" >Anyway, to those who replied, thanks ! Now we can get back to the more >important issues ! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ from a band who haven't released any new material for almost 10 years. Sorry, but it has to be said. - -ShaneJ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:20:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: flame wars Really-From: Richard Ingram > > Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" > > > >Anyway, to those who replied, thanks ! Now we can get back to the more > >important issues ! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > from a band who haven't released any new material for almost 10 years. Err no don't think so The Mix was new - OK the tracks were old but the album was new - ie new sound, rythms, not so sparse more danceable, new kit used. It all depends on what you define NEW as being ! Rich. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 18:34:54 +0100 Subject: hate Kraftwerk? Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) In article kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) writes: >(curiously, I used to hate it, but that's another story). Hi. This really is THE place to communicate about KW. I don't want to miss it! Please tell us that other story. - - mw ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 1994 17:04:41 BST Subject: Re: flame wars Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" >> >> from a band who haven't released any new material for almost 10 years. >Err no don't think so The Mix was new - OK the tracks were old but the album >was new - ie new sound, rythms, not so sparse more danceable, new kit used. >It all depends on what you define NEW as being ! >Rich. Ok, My definition of 'new' - innovative, interesting material, such as Electric Cafe and the albums preceding it. I like the Mix but it *is* only a rehash/remix however you look at it. And I sicerely hope there is no Mix2. - -ShaneJ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 94 16:12:30 EST Subject: New Clock DVA compilation Really-From: "YEDID,GABRIEL,MR" there is a new Clock DVA compilation out, called _Collective_. It has a sampling of tracks seemingly taken from all their albums since _Buried Dreams_, including the singlesfrom that album; I didn't buy it, and a caveat: it is on CLEOPATRA, so I don't know what it is like soundwise (couldn't be worse than my vinyl of _BD_, which SUCKS ROCKS). Anyone dared to pick it up yet? btw, it's hard to discuss KW when they are in such an...uncertain state (any more rumors of a Mix 2 or new album?) Gabe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 22:32:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: flame wars Really-From: Soleil Lapierre On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > I like the Mix but it *is* only a rehash/remix however you look at it. > And I sicerely hope there is no Mix2. I must say that I like all Kraftwerk music (except the song Autobahn), and The Mix is my favorite album. I like to listen to if after Computer World, mainly to contrast the old and new versions of Home Computer. I love them both. /------------------------------------v------------------------------------\ | Soleil Lapierre | That which does not kill me makes | | Internet: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | me stranger. | | Fidonet: Soleil Lapierre, 1:134/40 | | \------------------------------------^------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #115 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #116 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 9 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 116 Re: EARLY WORK Re: flame wars RE: EARLY WORK Re: EARLY WORK Hello Everyone! Re: hate Kraftwerk? Re: flame wars Mix2 thoughts Re: flame wars ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 94 09:34:00 UTC Subject: Re: EARLY WORK Really-From: Mahamud Ahmad Hello, My name is Mahamud(pronounced mahmood). I have recently joined this list and like most newbies have been just listening to the chat. As for likes and dislikes, I am interested to know if KW fans actually like any of the pre Autobahn albums, particularly KW1 and KW2. I have never been able to enjoy these albums much. Am i missing out on something? @/@ ---------- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 1994 11:46:49 BST Subject: Re: flame wars Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" >I must say that I like all Kraftwerk music (except the song Autobahn), >and The Mix is my favorite album. I like to listen to if after Computer >World, mainly to contrast the old and new versions of Home Computer. I >love them both. Ok, the subject header is misleading at this stage :) The Mix was the second KW album I bought, Computer World being the first. What I find - now that I have all the commonly available albums - is that I listen to the originals more often. The Mix lacks something (originality??) that the other albums have. OK, it was a nice idea to try and recreate the songs using the new kit, perhaps the only original concept there. A second album of remixes would be very sad. These guys are capable of so much, but are reduced to imitating others imitating Kraftwerk. I'm surprised no one chants 'techno techno techno' on the Mix! :) At least we have Elektric Music. On another note, I notice that for other bands, people listen out for new releases. For Kraftwerk we listen out for 'new rumours' of new releases. :) Oh well, maybe some day. - -ShaneJ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 08 Dec 1994 10:01:10 +0000 (U) Subject: RE: EARLY WORK Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." Mahamud, > I am interested to know >if KW fans actually like any of the pre Autobahn albums, particularly KW1 >and KW2. I have never been able to enjoy these albums much. Am i missing out >on something? I just got KW1, KW2, and Ralph and Florian. The first 2 were hard for me to appreciate also. However, I'm going to listen to them about 10 more times before I make up my mind. So often I wind up liking some kind of music only after listening to it a few times. I guess my musical ear has to get past any expectations or 'non-musical' sounds before I really hear something that I may like alot. 'The Man Machine' is an example. Didn't think much of it a long time ago when I first heard it but now it's among my most listened to KW CDs. Try to get a hold of 'Ralph and Florian'. It's much more 'Autobahnish' whith really nice melodies, riffs, and rhythms. Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 16:36:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: EARLY WORK Really-From: "Lisa R. Larribeau GITANE Jonathan B. Klinkroth" On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > if KW fans actually like any of the pre Autobahn albums, particularly KW1 > and KW2. I have never been able to enjoy these albums much. Am i missing out > on something? > > @/@ > ---------- I really like Ruckzuck myself. I think it is quite catchy - maybe I just like that woodwind sound (a rarity for KW!) I'm not sure whether it is on KW1 or KW2 as I bought them as a double album set. Now if only they would get released on CD! Lisa ___________________________________________________________________________ gitane@netcom.com is lisa larribeau and jon klinkroth ____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:17:04 -0500 Subject: Hello Everyone! Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Hi. I'm new to the Kraftwerk group, somewhat less new to the world of online communication--but still unsue of a few things. One of them is--how does one access the gif files, archives, etc. using a Macintosh and America Online? I'm anxious to catch up. (Plus, it seems appropriate to view Kraftwerk images on a computer screen!) My name is Frank Doris. I am the Technical Editor of The Absolute Sound, a US magazine covering High End audio and recordings, for those of you who may not be familiar with the publication. I enjoy all types of music, but mostly popular--electronic (of course), jazz, country, you name it. I agree with Duke Ellington's famous quote--"There are only two kinds of music--good and bad." I have been into Kraftwerk for many years and have all their albums in both German and English language versions, except for the elusive "Tone Float"--anyone know where I can get a copy? I even have SEALED 8-track copies of "Autobahn" and "Ralf and Florian"--one can only imagine how rare those are--which I got at a garage sale for 25 cents each! Also have a couple of not-so-great quality videos which I got from people advertising in Goldmine magazine. I am well aware of the fact that the band is secretive. However, I wonder if anyone could answer the following questions: Does the band ever do concerts in Europe? If so, does anyone have their tour schedule? (They were supposed to do a show at the Beacon Theater in New York three years ago, but cancelled--what a disappointment). I have heard references to an album called "Technopop," but have never seen it. Am I correct in the understanding that it was never released, and/or that it was a greatest hits collection of some sort? Does anyone know what sort of gear they use (synthesizers, software, etc.)? As a musician with a keen interst in electronics and reproduced sound, I often wonder how they get their sounds. Can anyone translate into English the lyrics to "Electric Cafe?" Thanks for all your indulgence, and I look forward to exchanging much information in the future. Kraftwerk is one of the few bands I can listen to over and over repeatedly--in fact, I hear more every time I listen, even thoughI've heard every song hundreds of times. Also, they sound terrific on a High End system--if you've never heard Kraftwerk on a top-notch stereo, all I can say is--prepare yourself for a sonic journey to another world! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:46:17 -0500 Subject: Re: hate Kraftwerk? Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com (Just sent another message introducing myself.) When I was in High School and college (1969-1977) I used to play guitar in hard rock bands. My musical taste was narrow, and I thought anything other than heavy rock a la Cream, Hendrix, Blue Oyster Cult, Black Sabbath, etc. was crap. If it didn't have roaring guitar, it was no good! I had no use for Top 40, country, dance music, the Grateful Dead, and so on. I was really into living the image/lifestyle of the rocker. When I first heard "Autobahn" on the radio, I thought it was a dumb, repetitive piece of fluff. However, as I went through college (Albany State), I was exposed to a diversity of musical styles, and began to "loosen up." In particular, two things turned me off to Kraftwerk initially. At the time, Blue Oyster Cult was my favorite band (I think Buck Dharma is one of the most under-recognized guitarists around; he is brilliant), and, in an interview with Lester Bangs in Creem magazine, one of the members of Kraftwerk opined that "I think Blue Oyster Cult is funny." That really P'd me off! Second, when I graduated college, it was during a recession, and I and many of my peers could not find employment. Not so for computer programmers! At the lowest point of my being flat broke, living at home, no job, no girlfriend, etc. I was invited to a party of mostly computer programmers and their wives. The whole night all they were talking about was this type of hardware and this type of machine, all in incomprehensible-to-the-layman computerese. Along with what kinds of cars they were going to buy, where they were going to go on vacation, etc. (Their wives were sitting around like lumps.) At the time, I barely had the proverbial two cents to rub together. I was getting bored and annoyed (couldn't leave since I didn't drive to the party--had no car either!). Then this guy puts on "The Man Machine." In my negative frame of mind, and on the sub-grade-Z stereo it was playing on, I found the music irritating. What I could hear of it, that is--the guy who put it on would not shut up and let us listen as he went on and on, pontificating like some sort of superior being about how great they were, listen to how the music repeats, yet changes, etc. etc. My only thoughts were, "shut up--turn it off--get me out of here!" (Ironic in that I would probably give that same lecture myself today!) After that, I studiously avoided Kraftwerk (and computer programmers) for years. Fast forward to 1981. New Wave is in; I'm playing in a New Wave band: I'm sold on techno-dance music and not listening to anything I used to before! I hear "Pocket Calculator" on WNEW-FM (ah, those were the days, when you could actually hear good stuff on commercial rock radio) on the way to a Cramps concert. I dig it, "This is great!", I say to the occupants of the vehicle. "I've GOT to get this record!" The radio announcer says, "That was the new single by Kraftwerk," and I say, WOW! Prejudices vaporized. I had to get the single immediately. Then I heard the "Computer World" album at about 3 AM at an all-night party a few months later, as I was nodding outon a bed with my then-girlfriend next to me, and I felt as if I was hearing the greatest, and most unique music in the world--it was hypnotic, captivating. Well, I soon bought all the rest of their albums, have been listening ever since, and have been spreading the gospel ever since. I suspected that their MUST be a Kraftwerk on-line board soon after I finally bought a "heimcomputer" myself, and...here I am! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 21:52:11 -0500 Subject: Re: flame wars Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I suppose what everyone wants to hear is an album of new material, new songs (although I found "The Mix" to be reworked enough as to be considered almost "new." I often wonder what takes the band so long to come up with new material, but it must be a daunting challenge to push the electronic musical envelope these days, now that everyone and his brother has access to synths, samplers, drum machines, etc. and can easily produce a techno-electronic sound. Nevertheless, not everyone can come up with a great song, riff, or melody, and Kraftwerk certainly have no problem there! Also, I'm sure they must have people working on state-of-the-art, non-commercial, custom hardware, and I wonder what they could do with the new E-mu Systems "Z-plane" "Morphing" synthesizer technology...! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:12:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: Mix2 thoughts Really-From: Soleil Lapierre On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Ok, the subject header is misleading at this stage :) Sorta fixed. :) > The Mix was the second KW album I bought, Computer World being the first. What > I find - now that I have all the commonly available albums - is that I listen to > the originals more often. The Mix lacks something (originality??) that the > other albums have. Originality in the melody and content, maybe. I really liked the new "instruments", though. I'm not saying the old ones are bad, I'm just saying that the new ones were and are a real blast for me. > OK, it was a nice idea to try and recreate the songs using > the new kit, perhaps the only original concept there. A second album of remixes > would be very sad. These guys are capable of so much, but are reduced to > imitating others imitating Kraftwerk. You have a point there. I think there's lots of potential new topic for them, and I doubt they have since upgraded their hardware to the point that they would want to do more upgrading experiments. > I'm surprised no one chants 'techno > techno techno' on the Mix! :) Hey, what's wrong with Techno? I love it. > At least we have Elektric Music. Never heard anything of their or seen an album. > On another note, I notice that for other bands, people listen out for new > releases. For Kraftwerk we listen out for 'new rumours' of new releases. :) Yeah. I don't mind. I just hope that we're given a clear sign when they decide to stop writing, so we won't spend the rest of our lives hoping. :) /------------------------------------v------------------------------------\ | Soleil Lapierre | That which does not kill me makes | | Internet: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | me stranger. | | Fidonet: Soleil Lapierre, 1:134/40 | | \------------------------------------^------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:34:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: flame wars Really-From: Ricky Yu Lo I have a question on Japanese releases of KW (please send some info if you have any japanese CDs): 1- Are there any extra re/mixes on the jap version? 2- Are the lyrics in English or German? 3- Is there any extra booklets/posters/stuff? 4- Where can we get them? Thanks. Ricky University of Costa Rica / \/ Life is the beginning of terror. Front 242. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #116 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #117 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 10 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 117 Questions ...C-DVA RE: Questions ...C-DVA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:04:28 MEZ-1MESZ Subject: Questions ...C-DVA Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> Well, greetings to Spotnik. Yes, there have been several Europena tours, the last concerts were in '93. These were four selected dates in Holland, Germany and Austria. They performed The Man Machine live for the first time on these concerts. They also did a full-line european tour in '91, but the US dares were cancelled for, as it seems, cost reasons. The Technopop album has never been released, and no acetates or testpressings are known to exist. BUT: two demo tracks, of Sex Object and Technopop, are on several of the new remix-type bootleg CD's. Also, for any further questions, see the FAQ file. Then, there is a book on Kwerk by Pascal Bussy, S.A.F. Publishing, 1993, from the UK. It is excellent and answers most questions. If you have any detail questions, feel free to contact me directly. Something different: in Dec. '93, a person (saxtherapy@aol.com) offered '*75 concert photos. It seems the address does not exist anymore. If you are still on the list, tell me please. The C-DAV box is from a german label, Hyperium. I have it and it is excellent. Cleopatra pnly have distribution rights as far as I know. The mixes are excellent, with new mixes and older 12" tracks. A free 3" Cd with bonuses is also included. Get the package opened for inspection. If the discs are pressed by "Disc Amerique" from Canada, then it is a Cleo pressing. I can only say that the german pressing is without fault. Gunther ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 09 Dec 1994 07:49:17 +0000 (U) Subject: RE: Questions ...C-DVA Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." > The C-DAV box is from a german label, Hyperium. I have it and it is >excellent. Cleopatra pnly have distribution rights as far as I know. >The mixes are excellent, with new mixes and older 12" tracks. A free >3" Cd with bonuses is also included. Get the package opened for >inspection. If the discs are pressed by "Disc Amerique" from Canada, >then it is a Cleo pressing. I can only say that the german pressing >is without fault. I'm sorry, I must have missed this one. What exactly is 'The C-DAV box'? Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 94 16:27:00 PST Subject: Really-From: GAZE Brian I have been informed that Kraftwerk must release a new product before the end of 1994. Therefore expect something in the next couple of weeks. Allegedely the Mix 2 is currently been circulated in promotional format. Generally, an actual release for most bands normally follows shortly afterwards. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #117 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #118 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 13 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 118 C-DVA Box and new/old rumour The Mix 2 - New information - early 95 release? Re: The Mix 2 - New information - early 95 release? Manufacture LFO's meeting with Karl Bartos Re: Older KW digests ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:29:57 MEZ-1MESZ Subject: C-DVA Box and new/old rumour Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> This was about a 3-CD Box by Clock DVA. There was a question about this on the list last week. Has nothing to do with Kwerk. About the new mix 2 rumour. Please disclose your sources. I (and most others) won't believe this until we have some sort of information where this rumour comes from. And: a Mix 2 without a single beforehand is unlikely, so there should be a single out now if the album is set for a '94 release. Gunther ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 94 10:20:00 PST Subject: The Mix 2 - New information - early 95 release? Really-From: GAZE Brian I have been investigating further into 'The Mix 2' promotional copy which is allegedely in circulation. I have not been able to secure a full track listing, however I have been told that the following tracks have been re-recorded on the new album. Das Model, Mensch Machine, Computer Welt, Tour de France The source of my information works in broadcasting. I am told that radio stations normally recieve copies of new material before it is available in high street shops. Therefore, it seems possible that a new release is imminent. As far as a single is concerned; it is unlikely that a Kraftwerk single would be released in Britain in the run up to Christmas. The singles market is very competitive in December. Most bands who are making a 'comeback' would release a single early in the new year rather than December. In conclusion it seems to me that promotional copies of the new album 'The Mix 2' are probably in circulation, in preperation for a release in January. A single is likely to preceed the album, therefore look out for it straight after Christmas (December 26th is a Monday - the day when most singles are released in Britain). I will continue to investigate these rumours until I can conclusively prove or renounce them. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 17:55:49 GMT Subject: Re: The Mix 2 - New information - early 95 release? Really-From: dhills@tcp.co.uk (David Hillier) >Really-From: GAZE Brian > > >I have been investigating further into 'The Mix 2' promotional copy which is >allegedely in circulation. I have not been able to secure a full track >listing, however I have been told that the following tracks have been >re-recorded on the new album. > > Das Model, Mensch Machine, Computer Welt, Tour de France > >The source of my information works in broadcasting. I am told that radio >stations normally recieve copies of new material before it is available in >high street shops. Therefore, it seems possible that a new release is >imminent. > >As far as a single is concerned; it is unlikely that a Kraftwerk single >would be released in Britain in the run up to Christmas. The singles market >is very competitive in December. Most bands who are making a 'comeback' >would release a single early in the new year rather than December. > >In conclusion it seems to me that promotional copies of the new album 'The >Mix 2' are probably in circulation, in preperation for a release in >January. A single is likely to preceed the album, therefore look out for it >straight after Christmas (December 26th is a Monday - the day when most >singles are released in Britain). > >I will continue to investigate these rumours until I can conclusively prove >or renounce them. > I haven't actually seen it yet, but according to a good source [my brother], this cd is actually in HMV today.I think it is called "The Model" or "Das model" and is a remix album. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 21:33:54 GMT Subject: Manufacture Really-From: kevinb@decision.demon.co.uk (Kevin Busby) In kraftwerk-digest Volume 02 : Number 114 Ricky Yu Lo wrote:- >I just brought a 1990 CD from a group called "Manufacture", it has 11 >songs which ressembles KW, some instruments are very KW. The disc is >called TERRORVISION by Nettwerk Productions (#88561-5015-2). Those >interested on Industrial/Kraftwerk/Front 242 -look.a.likes this album is >for you. Yeah, I quite like that album. I would stress the "Industrial" (or rather post-Industrial) part to those who might be looking for melody; IMHO it's far more comparable to Front Line Assembly than to Kraftwerk. Although FLA owes much to Kraftwerk in the first place of course. Personally I would be happier recommending the second (and last) album 'Voice of World Control', a good mix of electronic pop and noise. This loses them respect from people who like the aggressive approach on 'Terrorvision' and want nothing else, but I found it a more varied listen. Some of the poppier tracks are I suppose loosely in the Heaven 17 mould, if you want a comparison. Kevin ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 05:53:22 GMT Subject: LFO's meeting with Karl Bartos Really-From: kevinb@decision.demon.co.uk (Kevin Busby) 'Melody Maker' 10th December 1994 has an interview with LFO (the members of whom they refer to as "Zarg" and "Zygon" as part of a feeble joke). I thought the following bit might be of interest here. "They also played gigs in places like Zurich and Helsinki, and worked in Dusseldorf with Karl Bartos, ex-Kraftwerk and now of Elektric Music. That must have been a meeting of minds. "'We were quite awestruck at first,' confesses Zarg. 'I remember walking into the studio and seeing all these keyboards they'd made themselves [incorrect, surely? - KB], which made all these incredible, mental noises.' "The first night they organised a massive formal meal,' adds the mysteron. 'And you know what people are like when you first meet them. Everything was really straight. Rob (Warp's boss) was sitting next to me...' "'And I pulled his chair out from under him,' cackled his partner, 'and Rob went clattering to the floor. All these straight Germans suddenly pissed themselves. It totally broke the ice.'" Whether their talking about Kraftwerk or Elektric Music there, we have to guess ourselves. BTW, the new LFO single, 'Tied Up', is a disappointing return by a duo who have put out some outstanding Kraftwerk-influenced techno. kevinb ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 21:30:32 GMT Subject: Re: Older KW digests Really-From: kevinb@decision.demon.co.uk (Kevin Busby) In kraftwerk-digest Volume 02 : Number 113 "Freeman, Lon C." wrote:- >I didn't notice anywhere in the latest Kraftwerk FAQ where you can find back >issues of the KW digests. Could someone direct me to them? You need to use anonymous FTP to get them from ftp.uwp.edu. Once you're in, type "cd kraftwerk" and you should be able to find the subdirectory they're in from there. However! ftp.uwp.edu is a popular site and has a tight limit on anonymous ftp users. This means that you may have to try many times before you can gain access. As someone who gets Internet access as a long-distance dial-up connection, I find this prohibitive - which is a shame, since it's a great site. The above adress is actually in the FAQ, but I think perhaps the above caveat should be put in too. Kevin (FAQ maintainer) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #118 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #119 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 14 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 119 Re: sound quality Re: The Mix 2 - New information - early 95 release? Re: The Mix 2 - New information - early 95 release? Re: Older KW digests autobahn press reviews wanted RE: sound quality Re: The Mix 2 - New information - early 95 release? Items for sale Ojo, VIRUS (fwd) X-Vms-To: IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Re: Ojo, VIRUS (fwd) RE: sound quality RE: sound quality Devo KW tribute ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:07:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: sound quality Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com > but the LP's, especially European pressings, are outstanding, > utterly fantastic on a High End system. Simply brilliant! One person which is with me (See previous issues). As i've posted several times: Vinyl is far superior to CDs, at least on the kw software. Of course you have to compare the sound with good hi-fi hardware. The one in which this is more noticeable is Computer world. The CD is crap. Go get a mint copy of the vinyl. By the way, Spotnik, I've seen your previous messages. You need to get the faq file. Lots of answers to your questions! ps: I have kept silent as I've been a whole week off. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:36:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: The Mix 2 - New information - early 95 release? Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: GAZE Brian > > I have been investigating further into 'The Mix 2' promotional copy which is > allegedely in circulation. I really doubt kw will release advance promo copies of any of their new albums. I don't think this is true. If it was so, I would have heard something about it (well, I think). > however I have been told that the following tracks have been > re-recorded on the new album. > > Das Model, Mensch Machine, Computer Welt, Tour de France It is a piece of cake to make up such track listing. Thes are the tracks played on the 91 and post concerts that are not featured on the mix album. > The source of my information works in broadcasting. Ask them what is their source! > I will continue to investigate these rumours until I can conclusively prove > or renounce them. Please do so! Jose Garcia "La musica ideas portara y siempre continuara. pepe@cti.uab.es Sonido electronico, decibel sintetico." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:43:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: The Mix 2 - New information - early 95 release? Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: dhills@tcp.co.uk (David Hillier) As this was a recent topic, don't you think David you could have kept your quotes to 5-10 lines or so? It's not that difficult and certainly people who PAY to receive the digests would thank you and everybody else. No onto matters. About the rumour of a new album: > I haven't actually seen it yet, but according to a good source [my brother], > this cd is actually > in HMV today.I think it is called "The Model" or "Das model" and is a remix > album. This is probably the shitty Cleo compilation, or even one of the (once again shitty) re-re-re mix bootlegs. Avoid these! Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:45:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Older KW digests Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: kevinb@decision.demon.co.uk (Kevin Busby) > As someone who > gets Internet access as a long-distance dial-up connection, I find this > prohibitive - which is a shame, since it's a great site. I think there's a mirror site with all the music archives in Germany. This is printed when you try to connect to ftp.uwp.edu. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:56:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: autobahn press reviews wanted Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) I'll repost my request message in case any of the newcomers has this stuff. Original press reviews of the autobahn LP are needed for a possible article in the Aktivitaet fanzine. If you have this stuff, please get in touch pronto. Also, now that Gunther has mentioned it, live pics from the aubobahn tour would certainly make an excellent article in the fanzine. Get in touch! Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 13 Dec 1994 05:57:51 +0000 (U) Subject: RE: sound quality Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >Vinyl is far superior to CDs, at least on the kw software. Of course you >have to compare the sound with good hi-fi hardware. The one in which this >is more noticeable is Computer world. The CD is crap. Go get a mint copy >of the vinyl. I respectfully disagree, Keep in mind the technology and the transfer process to CD format at the time the master CD was made. If EMI (or whoever owns it) could go back to the Master tape of Computer World in it's original condition (unfortunatly impossible) and do a meticulous re-master with today's high-end equipment the CD sound would probably rival any vinyl. I know the sound is inherently different between the 2 mediums but I doubt that sound of the CD would sound like 'crap'. Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:45:09 +0100 Subject: Re: The Mix 2 - New information - early 95 release? Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) I just phoned EMI in Cologne and asked them, when a new KW CD will appear. The man on the other end of the line said: "I would have to be god to know that!". Anyway he said that he "estimates" a new release in the end of next year (!), but he couldn't tell wether this is going to be a Mix II or new material. So EMI of Germany know nothing about an upcoming realese as suggested here. If there is a new record on the way, it certainly isn't from EMI. - - mw (http://www.muc.de/~majortom/mw.html) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:00:24 +0100 (MET) Subject: Items for sale Really-From: bombuzal Hello Kraftwerk fans, I have the next items for sale on CD. All items are new : Some prices have been reduced compared by my previous mailing. US$ UK Pound DM NLG The first three CDs have bonus tracks. - - Kraftwerk 1 18 12 28 30 - - Kraftwerk 2 18 12 28 30 - - Ralf & Florian 18 12 28 30 OFFER > These three CD's together 48 32 75 80 - - The Man Machine Recreated 18 12 28 30 - - Book 'Man, Machine and Music' 18 12 28 30 - - Live Cologne 75 21 14 32 35 - - Kling und Klang Live Milano 91 30 - - Danger Live Europe 91/92 2CD 40 - - Computers in love Belgium 81 2CD 40 - - Nippon Numbers Japan 81 21 If you are looking for other live CDs, I can possibly get hem as well. > > Postage is not included. Please contact me on bombuzal@xs4all.nl ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:59:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: Ojo, VIRUS (fwd) Really-From: Ricky Yu Lo - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Vargas From: Jose Coto Operations Manager *** Resending note of 12/08/94 21:12 Subject: Virus ====================================================================== All, There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If you receive an e-mail message with the subject line "Good Times", DO NOT read the message, DELETE it immediately. Please read the messages below. > Some miscreant is sending e-mail under the title "good times" nation-wide. > If you get anything like this, DON'T DOWNLOAD THE FILE! It has a virus that > rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it. Please be careful > and forward this mail to anyone you care about--I have. > Date: 12/2/94 11:59 AM > >Subject: INTERNET VIRUS > >Thought you might like to know... > >The FCC released a warning last Wednesday concerning a matter of major >importance to any regular user of the InterNet. Apparently, a new computer >virus has been engineered by a user of America Online that is unparalleled >in its destructive capability. Other, more well-known viruses such as >Stoned, Airwolf, and Michaelangelo pale in comparison to the prospects of >this newest creation by a warped mentality. > What makes this virus so terrifying, said the FCC, is the fact that no >program needs to be exchanged for a new computer to be infected. It can >be spread through the existing e-mail systems of the InterNet. Once a >computer is infected, one of several things can happen. If the >computer contains a hard drive, that will most likely be mostly destroyed. >If the program is not stopped, the computer's processor will be placed >in an nth-complexity infinite binary loop - which can severely damage the >processor if left running that way too long. Unfortunately, most novice >computer users will not realize what is happening until it is far too >late. > Luckily, there is one sure means of detecting what is now known as the >"Good Times" virus. It always travels to new computers the same way - in >a text e-mail message with the subject line reading simply "Good Times". >Avoiding infection is easy once the file has been received - not reading >it. The act of loading the file into the mail server's ASCII buffer >causes the "Good Times" mainline program to initialize and execute. The >program is highly intelligent - it will send copies of itself to everyone >whose e-mail address is contained in a received-mail file or a sent-mail >file, if it can find one. It will then proceed to trash the computer it >is running on. > The bottom line here is - if you receive a file with the subject line >"Good TImes", delete it immediately! Do not read it! Rest assured that >whoever's name was on the "From:" line was surely struck by the virus. > Warn your friends and local system users of this newest threat to the >InterNet! It could save them a lot of time and money. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: X-Vms-To: IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Really-From: CRUBIO@ACC.FAU.EDU It has been my unfortunate experience to be a member of this newsgroup. I love the music created by Kraftwerk as much as any member of this list, but the ENDLESS discussion and re-hashing of rumors, as well as the petty, pointless nit-picking that transpires here is beyond my tolerance limit. I would say ten percent of the messages I receive from this newsgroup contain interesting information relavent to Kraftwerk. The remaining ninety percent is garbage, and I'm tired of deleting it from my mailbox. I will continue my enjoyment of Kraftwerk's musical creations without the "benefit" of comments from the authors of that ninety percent. To the authors of the relavent ten percent and to the providers of this service, I offer my sincere thanks. Carlos Rubio CRUBIO@ACC.FAU.EDU ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:41:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Ojo, VIRUS (fwd) Really-From: "Aaron J. Grier" This virus warning is complete bullshit and is a hoax. Just so you know. - ---- The Finn / VLA Aaron J. Grier agrier@reed.edu (other addresses will be forwarded to this one.) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:45:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: sound quality Really-From: "Aaron J. Grier" On 13 Dec 1994, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Keep in mind the technology and the transfer process to CD format at the time > the master CD was made. If EMI (or whoever owns it) could go back to the > Master tape of Computer World in it's original condition (unfortunatly > impossible) and do a meticulous re-master with today's high-end equipment the > CD sound would probably rival any vinyl. I know the sound is inherently > different between the 2 mediums but I doubt that sound of the CD would sound > like 'crap'. A lot has to do with personal opinion... I myself prefer vinyl over CD. But this discussion brings up an interesting thing to think about. Since master tapes degrade over time, a CD pressed, say, 10 years after the vinyl was pressed won't be as accurate a reproduction of the master tape as the vinyl. It's sad but true. :-( - ---- The Finn / VLA Aaron J. Grier agrier@reed.edu (other addresses will be forwarded to this one.) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 13 Dec 1994 15:38:07 +0000 (U) Subject: RE: sound quality Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >But this discussion brings up an interesting thing to think about. Since >master tapes degrade over time, a CD pressed, say, 10 years after the >vinyl was pressed won't be as accurate a reproduction of the master tape >as the vinyl. It's sad but true. I wonder. The original master album pressing plate (for lack of the techical term) should be an excellent source for a new, high quality trasfer to the CD format. At least if the master tape has noticeably degraded. The master vinyl cast should be made of metal or something other than vinyl that wouldn't decompose as fast as tape. In this case should they press a new 'Master' vinyl disk and carefully digitally transfer to CD from that? The CD may not have the 'warmth' of actual vinyl but therte may be less clea up ad oise removal involved. Well, maybe Cleopatra's Kraftwerk issues could have benefitted from this type of transfer. What do you think? Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 23:17:02 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Devo Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) Sorry for the somewhat unrelated post. I saw a few albums (vinyl) the other day by a group called "Devo" at a flea market. I sort of thought that the group members' poses on the covers looked very Kraftwerk-ish, but didn't think any more of it. Now I saw in the All Music List that Devo is listed under "related groups" on the Kraftwerk card. So... anybody know what they're about...? (Just interested to know whether it would be worthwhile to buy these albums.) - -- Johann Johann Visagie | Tel: +27 21 887 1822 | Email: jvisagie@active.co.za Active Access | Fax: +27 21 887 1829 | URL: http://www.active.co.za ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 8:52:05 GMT-1:00 Subject: KW tribute Really-From: J|rgen B|rjesson Browsing through the KW section at a local recordshop I found this (mid priced, despite being an import)... Title: BOING BOOM TSCHAK, A Tribute To Kraftwerk Artist: Unknown (credits states "S. Lombardoni") Rec Nr: 006222PMM (prima musik) (german import) Track List: 1. The Robots 3:36 2. Pocket Calculator 3:33 3. Energy Overload 3:10 4. Boing Boom Tschak 3:34 5. Space Lab 3:20 6. Floppy Dis 3:27 7. It's More Fun To Compute 3:00 8. Trans Europe Express 3:37 9. Warning: Danger 3:25 10: Computer World 3:17 11. The Android 3:04 12. Musique Non Stop 3:38 13. Cybernetik Interspace 3:10 14. Biotika 3:15 Short opinion: Most of the KW covers are quite faithful to the originals, altough with more danceable sounds (it's hard to recreate the sleek KW feeling of the tunes). Some of the covers relies on heavy sampling, but many sounds (and vox :-( ) are recreated so this isn't just one of those remix albums. The non-KW pieces reassembles (more or less) much of the sound of the covers. Rate: 5 (out of 10) (may change over time) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #119 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #120 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 14 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 120 Cleopatra Credit and KW Comic/Poster Re: KW tribute Re: Cleopatra Credit and KW Comic/Poster Re: The Mix 2 - New information - early 95 release? Mix 2 - latest info. - Track listing? FW: The Mix 2 - New information - early 95 release? FW: The MIX II is no lie. FW: The Mix 2 - New information - early 95 release? MIX 2 - LATEST INFO - TRACK LISTING Re: Mix 2 - latest info. - Track listing? Re: FW: The MIX II is no lie. Re: FW: The MIX II is no lie. FW: The Mix II Rumours are true. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 10:30:32 +0100 Subject: Cleopatra Credit and KW Comic/Poster Really-From: John Mccall Richey I thought I would just give Cleopatra a little credit for once, since it seems that all we can do is give them a hard time. In this 3CD box set which they re-released, there is a little poster (no big), a small KW Radioactivity sticker (also no big), and a booklet with a very good little story, which quotes Bussy and other good sources, plus one of the best ever Discographies I have seen. The discography could be a combined effort by KW themselves, for it is the first time that I have ever seen my poster/comic mentioned anywhere. For the record that is, the poster is the eight-gate foldout one which came with the first release of R&F on Phillips. I have been meaning to scan this damn thing for over a year, which I had promised before, this may actually come true here soon. I mentioned the poster to a friend the other day, here in Berlin, Thomas Fehlmann and he said that he had never seen the poster either. Not that it was such a big thing, but this guy knows R&F personally and used to be a groupy of theirs in the early years, so this thing is quite rare. He is going to help me scan the poster and then we can post it to some ftp site, maybe give it to the guy at Autobahr on his Web site. It is really a cool piece of work! JMR ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:52:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: KW tribute Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: J|rgen B|rjesson > > Browsing through the KW section at a local recordshop I found > this (mid priced, despite being an import)... > > Title: BOING BOOM TSCHAK, A Tribute To Kraftwerk > > Rate: 5 (out of 10) (may change over time) What is the release date? Also, if you have listened to Trans Slovenian Express, it would be interesting to know which one you like better. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:58:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Cleopatra Credit and KW Comic/Poster Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: John Mccall Richey > > I thought I would just give Cleopatra a little credit for once, since it seems > that all we can do is give them a hard time. > The discography could be a combined effort by KW themselves, for it is the first > time that I have ever seen my poster/comic mentioned anywhere You can find the poster/comic mentioned in several publications. Well, I can at least think of: - the kw discography available via anonymous ftp - Bussy's book - the Aktivitaet fanzine Obviously, cleo can have obtained info about it on Bussy's book. So I doubt kw have to do anything about this re-rehash of old material on CD from cleopatra. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:41:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: The Mix 2 - New information - early 95 release? Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) > Anyway he said that he "estimates" a new release in the end of next year (!), > but he couldn't tell wether this is going to be a Mix II or new material. If this is true, a Mix 2 would be very disappointing! I agree that the sound, and not the melody, is an issue that concerns a lot to kw. For me, a mix2 now would be much less of a disappointment than in one year's time. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 12:17:00 PST Subject: Mix 2 - latest info. - Track listing? Really-From: GAZE Brian I am still investigating the authenticity of the Mix 2 release information which I have recieved. The information which I have received is too substantial for me to believe this to be another false rumour. The track listing allegedely includes the songs which I have already named, plus the following: Europa Endlos, Schaufensterpuppen, Neonlichts, Der Telefon Anruf und Techno Pop I am not sure whether this is a complete list or not. To answer specific points which have been raised: 1) I am aware of the Cleopatra compilation 'The Model' which I believe was released in 1992. This is NOT, I repeat NOT what my source is referring to. 2) Kraftwerk have not released anything for a long time. Therefore, their position with their record company may be weakened. In which case the record company will have more influence in how the record is promoted. It is also interesting that the track listing is in German. 3) I have waited since 1986 for a brand new release from Kraftwerk. Personally I am not in the business of making up rumours. I am not particularly excited by the prospect of the Mix 2 album, as it suggests to me a lack of originality and new ideas. I would much rather see a totally new release. 4) I am told this information about the new release should NOT be public domain until the New Year. Therefore, my source of information believes that his/her job situation might be compromised should his/her identity be relieved. I will make new information available as soon as I recieve it - probably in the next couple of days. Also I will answer any specific points which are raised as soon as possible. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 14:40:00 PST Subject: FW: The Mix 2 - New information - early 95 release? Really-From: GAZE Brian I have been investigating further into 'The Mix 2' promotional copy which is allegedely in circulation. I have not been able to secure a full track listing, however I have been told that the following tracks have been re-recorded on the new album. Das Model, Mensch Machine, Computer Welt, Tour de France The source of my information works in broadcasting. I am told that radio stations normally recieve copies of new material before it is available in high street shops. Therefore, it seems possible that a new release is imminent. As far as a single is concerned; it is unlikely that a Kraftwerk single would be released in Britain in the run up to Christmas. The singles market is very competitive in December. Most bands who are making a 'comeback' would release a single early in the new year rather than December. In conclusion it seems to me that promotional copies of the new album 'The Mix 2' are probably in circulation, in preperation for a release in January. A single is likely to preceed the album, therefore look out for it straight after Christmas (December 26th is a Monday - the day when most singles are released in Britain). I will continue to investigate these rumours until I can conclusively prove or renounce them. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 14:32:00 PST Subject: FW: The MIX II is no lie. Really-From: MARSLAND Dave ---------- From: MARSLAND Dave To: 'anders.wilhelm' Subject: FW: The MIX II is no lie. Date: 13 December 1994 12:15 I thought everyone will be interested in this e-mail I recieved a while ago. ---------- From: Stephen Burton To: Dave Marsland Subject: FW: The MIX II is no lie. Date: 12 December 1994 17:29 Hi Dave, Something to wet your appatite. ---------- From: John Peel To: 'Stephen Burton' Subject: The MIX II is no lie. Date: 12 December 1994 17:23 Hi Steve, The MIX II rumour is true. I am in the process of sampling some extracts to post to you in the very near future. see you soon, JP. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 10:30:00 PST Subject: FW: The Mix 2 - New information - early 95 release? Really-From: GAZE Brian I have been investigating further into 'The Mix 2' promotional copy which is allegedely in circulation. I have not been able to secure a full track listing, however I have been told that the following tracks have been re-recorded on the new album. Das Model, Mensch Machine, Computer Welt, Tour de France The source of my information works in broadcasting. I am told that radio stations normally recieve copies of new material before it is available in high street shops. Therefore, it seems possible that a new release is imminent. As far as a single is concerned; it is unlikely that a Kraftwerk single would be released in Britain in the run up to Christmas. The singles market is very competitive in December. Most bands who are making a 'comeback' would release a single early in the new year rather than December. In conclusion it seems to me that promotional copies of the new album 'The Mix 2' are probably in circulation, in preperation for a release in January. A single is likely to preceed the album, therefore look out for it straight after Christmas (December 26th is a Monday - the day when most singles are released in Britain). I will continue to investigate these rumours until I can conclusively prove or renounce them. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 11:10:00 PST Subject: MIX 2 - LATEST INFO - TRACK LISTING Really-From: GAZE Brian I AM SENDING THIS AGAIN BECAUSE IT DID APPARENTLY NOT ARRIVE THE FIRST TIME. I APOLOGIZE IF IT APPEARS MORE THAN ONCE BUT I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT. I am still investigating the authenticity of the Mix 2 release information which I have recieved. The information which I have received is too substantial for me to believe this to be another false rumour. The track listing allegedely includes the songs which I have already named, plus the following: Europa Endlos, Schaufensterpuppen, Neonlichts, Der Telefon Anruf und Techno Pop I am not sure whether this is a complete list or not. To answer specific points which have been raised: 1) I am aware of the Cleopatra compilation 'The Model' which I believe was released in 1992. This is NOT, I repeat NOT what my source is referring to. 2) Kraftwerk have not released anything for a long time. Therefore, their position with their record company may be weakened. In which case the record company will have more influence in how the record is promoted. It is also interesting that the track listing is in German. 3) I have waited since 1986 for a brand new release from Kraftwerk. Personally I am not in the business of making up rumours. I am not particularly excited by the prospect of the Mix 2 album, as it suggests to me a lack of originality and new ideas. I would much rather see a totally new release. 4) I am told this information about the new release should NOT be public domain until the New Year. Therefore, my source of information believes that his/her job situation might be compromised should his/her identity be relieved. I will make new information available as soon as I recieve it - probably in the next couple of days. Also I will answer any specific points which are raised as soon as possible. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:39:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Mix 2 - latest info. - Track listing? Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: GAZE Brian > > The information which I have received is too > substantial for me to believe this to be another false rumour. Well, surely we all want this is not just a false rumour. > 3) I have waited since 1986 for a brand new release from Kraftwerk. So have I. > I am not > particularly excited by the prospect of the Mix 2 album, Better than nothing! I wasn't excited either when the Mix 1 came out but it turned out to be a great album. >as it suggests to > me a lack of originality and new ideas. Yes. So does to me, but again, we may be proved wrong. Thanx for posting all these rumours. On the kw front, news doesn't exist! Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:46:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: FW: The MIX II is no lie. Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Perhaps it is not. After all, as Gunther was able to confirm, EMI Electrola had in their list of scheduled releases a new single from kw: tour de france, of which the release was cancelled. It is perfectly possible they are in the process of finishing the mix, due to the fact they're not completely happy with it. Remember this has happened several times with kw produkt. I have an interview with Ralf conducted sometime in 1979 in which "the new album was being finished". No album was released until 1981. Same thing happened in 1983 w. the technopop album... Still so, I will believe nothing until I hear it. After all they could just cancel the release of the new albums, if it exists, as they did w. the technopop album in 83. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:28:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: FW: The MIX II is no lie. Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) By the way, I forgot to mention that the rumours of a Mix 2 have been circulating since 1992! Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 11:57:00 PST Subject: FW: The Mix II Rumours are true. Really-From: MARSLAND Dave The Mix II rumours are true and to prove it I am sending a sound file [[ GLING.AU : 3102 in GLING.AU ]] The following binary file has been uuencoded to ensure successful transmission. Use UUDECODE to extract. [attachment deleted from archive -- it was a fake anyway. -laz] ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #120 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #121 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 15 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 121 A rumour with foundation Re: FW: The Mix II Rumours are true. Re: Devo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 13:03:00 PST Subject: A rumour with foundation Really-From: GAZE Brian RUMOUR BASED ON EVIDENCE "By the way, I forgot to mention that the rumours of a Mix 2 have been circulating since 1992! I read with disappointment (but understanding aswell) Jose Garcia's atitudes to the information regarding the allegedely imminent release of the Mix 2. I understand this because most of the rumours which appear are 100% RUBBISH. However, your cynicism is blinding your judgement. If this is the atitude of most people, I for one will NOT post any more information. The fact is that I am thoroughly investigating the true situation - speaking to record company representatives is NOT necessarily the way to do this. The record company may well shroud any potential release in secrecy until it hits the shops (to maximize the effect when it is officially released). Investigating a new release should be done through contacts in the radio industry (because they receive advance copies and advance warning of new releases), which is what I have been doing. I will continue to investigate for my own satisfaction; however, if the overwhelming majority of people do not want any new information I will not post it. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:46:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: FW: The Mix II Rumours are true. Really-From: > > Really-From: MARSLAND Dave > > > > The Mix II rumours are true and to prove it I am sending a sound file > > [[ GLING.AU : 3102 in GLING.AU ]] > > The following binary file has been uuencoded to ensure successful > transmission. Use UUDECODE to extract. > > begin 600 GLING.AU > M+G-N9````1@`$>W-`````0``'T`````!9VQI;F<@<')O(&9I;'0N874`('!R > M;R!F:6QT+F%U(@!T>'0B```````````````````````````````````````` >From what I can hear, this file is some song with Bjork. If this was intended as a joke, then you, Dave Marsland, have a very bad sense of humour. A lot of people on the list have to pay for their internet access. As for myself, I have an automated script which updates a WWW- accessible area with kraftwerk-list material. I am able to maintain the area because of good-will from my department. I do not have much space, though, and have to compress the data as much as I can. The file you posted had no relevance to Kraftwerk at all. It caused a lot of extra work for me. I would like an explanation of you to the list why you posted it. /anders ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 17:31:42 EST Subject: Re: Devo Really-From: tara Well, Devo is definitely worth picking up, in fact if you buy those albums, I'll gladly buy them from you if Devo is not to your liking. I'm sure sometime in the early '80s you heard the classic Devo song "Whip It". Devo is hard to describe, but there is definitely some similarity to kw. Devo covers "Working in the Coal Mine" and "Satisfaction" quite wonderfully and all of their billions of original tunes are great as well. Let me know what you think. Tara MacKay Math Major - Trenton State College, Trenton, New Jersey "I'm the operator with my pocket calculator..."kw ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #121 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #122 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 16 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 122 Re: A rumour with foundation RE: Autobahn RE: Autobahn Re: KW tribute Gling.au Wanted reliable information from Germany! Wanted reliable information from Germany! Re: rumour with foundation Stop those assholes (was: MIX 95) Re: flame wars Re: Questions ...C-DVA Re: RE: Autobahn Re: Mix 2 - latest info. - Track listing? Re: sound quality Re: Mix2 thoughts Those Assholes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:24:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: A rumour with foundation Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: GAZE Brian > I read with disappointment (but understanding aswell) Jose Garcia's atitudes > to the information regarding the allegedely imminent release of the Mix 2. I > understand this because most of the rumours which appear are 100% RUBBISH. I don't mean you stop posting info on anything concerning a new kw release, NEVER. Even if it is a rumour, of course with some foundation. If I have ever posted rumours that seemed unfounded, this is not true. I am in touch with people working in the independent record industry with lots of contacts. This has been sometimes my source of information. > However, your cynicism is blinding your judgement. I am not saying I don't believe you. I am saying you might be right. I am saying there might be some produkt ready for release (I believe so. Read back issues, around 1.100. Evidence is there.) I AM ONLY SAYING: ok. kw must have tons of material that can be released. However, it would be no surprise the release would be delayed another 2-3 years time. Why not? Would BY NO MEANS be the first time. The evidence: their last 3 albums, together with info coming from interviews to Ralf. > If this is the atitude > of most people, I for one will NOT post any more information. My attitude is: ok. Good, but better when I hear it. That IS kw. And please, post any rumours or info. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 10:43:00 UTC Subject: RE: Autobahn Really-From: Mahamud Ahmad I recently acquired a bootleg video of the 91 tour which includes various videos. At the end is a 15-20 minute version of autobahn with a black and white animated cartoon. The central figure is that of a boy wearing what looks like swimming goggles. Is this an original promo? I think the name credited at the end is 'Martin Mason'. Another question is regarding the '85 remix of the Autobahn LP. Is this mix better on LP or CD? usual apologies if this is old-hat. mahamud ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:37:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: RE: Autobahn Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Mahamud Ahmad > > I recently acquired a bootleg video of the 91 tour which includes various > videos. > At the end is a 15-20 minute version of autobahn with a black and white > animated cartoon. That video is dreadful, IMHO. Nothing to do with what the song means. I would guess this is a rec. co.'s own initiative. > Another question is regarding the '85 remix of the Autobahn LP. Is this mix > better on LP or CD? I cannot say myself as have not compared them. However, I'd say that, as the original source is analog and not digital, the LP must sound better, IMHO. Also, it would be no surprise that the best one be the original 74 LP release. I have rediscovered vinyl and it sounds a lot better to my ears than CD! The terrible thing is rec. cos. are dismissing vinyl for ever. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 14:33:07 GMT-1:00 Subject: Re: KW tribute Really-From: J|rgen B|rjesson > Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > >> Really-From: J|rgen B|rjesson >> >> Browsing through the KW section at a local recordshop I found >> this (mid priced, despite being an import)... >> >> Title: BOING BOOM TSCHAK, A Tribute To Kraftwerk >> >> Rate: 5 (out of 10) (may change over time) > > What is the release date? It is copyrighted in 1994 (sorry about forgetting that) > Also, if you have listened to Trans Slovenian Express, it would be interesting > to know which one you like better A difficult question, but I think my vote goes to TSE (note, I have only heard 9-10 tunes from that album), because the covers there are made in a quite new (and interesting) style... > Jose Garcia /jorgen borjesson jorbor@etek.chalmers.se ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 15 DEC 94 10:32:30 EST Subject: Gling.au Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA Gling.au: Don't even bother with this it's just a piano with a female voice singing in German? Bad humour at bad time!!! However, I welcome any Kraftwerk .wav files sent to me. Their rarer or live material is desired. I inturn can return the favour. Ofcourse appropriate copyright issues will be addressed. Please Email me directly on this. ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 14:34:00 PST Subject: Wanted reliable information from Germany! Really-From: GAZE Brian I would like to thank everybody who is supporting me in my investigation of the Mix 2 rumours. I am very disappointed that a hoax sound file has been downloaded to the mail list. If I get any GENUINE sound files of the alleged new album I will write to the list to inform everyone. Then I will send it direct to anybody who is interested, rather than clogging up the mail list. I currently access the list via a system which forces me to download the entire months list every time I want to read anything on it - therefore I do not appreciate any sound files on it, let alone HOAX ones. Sending sound files is a waste of resources, also downloading them can cost a lot of money. Since I started reading this mailing list (3-4 months ago) I have been amazed at the amount of rubbish which appears on it. Most of the rumours are clearly intended as hoaxes (for example somebody said that Tour de France was available in England - the fact was nobody here new anything about it). My investigations into the Mix 2 rumours are continuing. I am not saying a release is certain. What I am saying is that I have been passed on information which suggests that a release is certain. What I am not sure of is whether the information I have been receiving is correct - it is this which I am looking into. Somebody in Germany must have good contacts who work in radio. Can they not also look in to it. I would have thought it highly unlikely that Kraftwerk would release a new album in Britain before doing so in Germany. Therefore, if a British release is about to occur, surely a German release is also imminent. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 07:52:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: Wanted reliable information from Germany! Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > I am very disappointed that a hoax sound file has been downloaded to the > mail list. Maybe you should tell that to your friend who uploaded it. > Since I started reading this mailing list (3-4 months ago) I have been > amazed at the amount of rubbish which appears on it. Then stop contributing to the rubbish. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:59:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: rumour with foundation Really-From: SUBRATAB@delphi.com Brian Gaze wrote: Investigating a new release should be done through contacts in the radio industry (because they receive advance copies and advance warning of new releases), which is what I have been doing. - -> Maybe someone in Dusseldorf should check with the local DJs ! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 04:31:29 +0100 Subject: Stop those assholes (was: MIX 95) Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) TO David Datta Hello David, could you please expell CS0BGA@cis.sund.ac.uk and CS0DMA@cis.sund.ac.uk from this list and stop them from posting. These guys (or is it one) already fucked us with Tour de France "I got it a week ago". And to all other readers, for the sake of this list, please stop taking this british scum seriously. I'm fed up and just about to agree with the guy who quit a few days ago. Maybe we could all repost that encoded file to them, one copy each. - - mw (http://www.muc.de/~majortom/mw.html) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:03:49 -0500 Subject: Re: flame wars Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I find Elektric Music to be inferior to anything done by Kraftwerk, although I wish that wasn't so.... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:04:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Questions ...C-DVA Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Yes, I have the Bussy Kraftwerk book. It is excellent, isn't it? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:35:39 -0500 Subject: Re: RE: Autobahn Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com In my opinion, analogue sounds better than digital in almost every important sonic respect! Frank Doris Technical Editor The Absolute Sound (aka Spotnik, but don't tell the audiophiles that...they can contact me care of the magazine!) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 23:53:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Mix 2 - latest info. - Track listing? Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com A remix by Kraftwerk is better than most anyone else's new material! Still, one keeps hoping for new Kraftwerk material. Has anyone ever asked them why they take so long? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 00:54:44 -0500 Subject: Re: sound quality Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Thanks. Do you know how I access the previous information? I have a Mac, and I'm not very computer savvy. Someone would have to "walk me through" the process. Glad to see someone out there besides myself knows how fantastic the vinyl sounds! By the way--it usually takes me a week to get to my personal e-mail (so tied up with other things). I must check it more often--the Kraftwerk board generates a lot of mail! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 00:58:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Mix2 thoughts Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Elektric Music, composed of Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Flur, released an EP about a year ago called "Crosstalk." I didn't like it very much. I don't know if they have released anything else. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 00:03:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: Those Assholes Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > could you please expell > > CS0BGA@cis.sund.ac.uk > and > CS0DMA@cis.sund.ac.uk > > from this list and stop them from posting. Unfortunately, neither is actually "on" the list, so it's difficult to kick them off. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #122 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #123 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 17 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 123 Re: Those Assholes Re: RE: Autobahn Re: Mix2 thoughts Re: flame wars sound quality Re: flame wars Re: Those Assholes Re: Mix 2 - latest info. - Track listing? Re: sound quality why they take so long aaaargh! Personal criticism Personal criticism Thomas Fehlmann Radio-Activity Thomas Fehlmann Sorry Re: Radio-Activity ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:00:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Those Assholes Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > Unfortunately, neither is actually "on" the list, so it's difficult to kick > them off. Not impossible. A few months ago Dave prevented cleopatra from sending mail to the list, as they had an auto reply set up. Jose ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:04:27 MET Subject: Re: RE: Autobahn Really-From: Rassay Krisztian > > Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com > > In my opinion, analogue sounds better than digital in almost every important > sonic respect! Why? Digital sound is the true machine sound. It's generated only by machines, not like elder human music style. > Frank Doris > Technical Editor > The Absolute Sound > (aka Spotnik, but don't tell the audiophiles that...they can contact me care > of the magazine!) > ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:09:48 MET Subject: Re: Mix2 thoughts Really-From: Rassay Krisztian > > Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com > > Elektric Music, composed of Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Flur, released an EP > about a year ago called "Crosstalk." I didn't like it very much. I don't know > if they have released anything else. > It's the maxi version of the sound Crosstalk on the album Esperanto. There is also maxi version of Information... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:23:00 MET Subject: Re: flame wars Really-From: Rassay Krisztian > > Really-From: Ricky Yu Lo > > I have a question on Japanese releases of KW (please send some info if > you have any japanese CDs): > 1- Are there any extra re/mixes on the jap version? > 2- Are the lyrics in English or German? Can anybody post me the lyrics of the Esperanto? chris@fatime.fsz.bme.hu ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:45:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: sound quality Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com > > In my opinion, analogue sounds better than digital in almost every important > sonic respect! I quite agree with you. This can even be true for digitally recorded stuff, i.e. The Mix. And if vinyl sounds better than CD, imagine compared to the miniDiscs and DCCs, which use lossy compression. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:23:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: flame wars Really-From: Richard Ingram > > Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com > > I find Elektric Music to be inferior to anything done by Kraftwerk, although > I wish that wasn't so.... I don't know, some tracks granted are to much like OMD but the odd one (can't remember which is very like KW). Bye - Rich. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:33:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Those Assholes Really-From: Richard Ingram > > Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > > > could you please expell > > > > CS0BGA@cis.sund.ac.uk > > and > > CS0DMA@cis.sund.ac.uk > > > > from this list and stop them from posting. > > Unfortunately, neither is actually "on" the list, so it's difficult to kick > them off. Some one should post to the sysadm, and take heart most unis break up today so no more drivel from them for about 3 weeks. Rich. (British and European) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:46:15 BST Subject: Re: Mix 2 - latest info. - Track listing? Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" >Has anyone ever asked them why >they take so long? You can ask, but getting a reply, now *that* would be difficult :) - -ShaneJ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:54:54 MET Subject: Re: sound quality Really-From: Rassay Krisztian > > Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > > > Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com > > > > In my opinion, analogue sounds better than digital in almost every important > > sonic respect! > > I quite agree with you. This can even be true for digitally recorded stuff, > i.e. The Mix. And if vinyl sounds better than CD, imagine compared to the > miniDiscs and DCCs, which use lossy compression. DCC and miniDisc are suck. They're not alternative in this Hi-Fi age, when somone thinks that the 44kHz 16x2bit digitalized sound is not enough for Hi-Fidelity. > > Jose Garcia > pepe@cti.uab.es > ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 13:08:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: why they take so long Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) The official excuses have been the change in the technology, the need to redo the sound using one or another technology. That has been the case for: Computer World, they needed to use the new tech in computers E.Cafe, the need to use digital synths, but still using analogue The Mix, the need to reconvert to full digital tech. ??, ?? Up to Man Machine, everything was smooth. One album per year. Unbelievable nowadays! Imagine kw releasing one album per year??? Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:08:25 +0100 Subject: Really-From: lels@geo.vu.nl (Sander_Lelieveld) unsubscribe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:15:33 +0100 Subject: Really-From: lels@geo.vu.nl (Sander_Lelieveld) unsubscribe kraftwerk-digest lels@geo.vu.nl ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 94 14:37:00 UTC Subject: aaaargh! Really-From: sm@genie.geis.com The last thing I needed in my mail queue was a Kraftwerk digest with a UUEncoded sound file. I aborted the thing after it had been downloading for twenty minutes. Steven McDonald Speaking Tree Productions ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 94 15:34:00 PST Subject: Personal criticism Really-From: GAZE Brian I am aware of the fiasco with the hoax sound file. THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. I am also aware that it came from the same location as where I am based. I AM NOT A STUDENT, I WORK AT THE UNIVERSITY. The university has approximatelty 10 000 students + staff, most with e-mail accounts. I know that most have access to the world wide net, and have the same facilities as myself. I am trying to discover who posted that rubbish, once this has been established I will ensure that the same does not happen again. I suspect it was probably a student who I used to teach. Please (Lazlo Nibble and company) do not assume that everyone in Britain is an 'asshole'. I have also offered to stop posting information on the Mix2 rumours if that is what the majority want; however, I have received several personal e-mails all of which have been supportive of me. I hope some of those who have e-mailed me don't mind being quoted. 'Keep posting them! Believe it or not, this isn't the Jose Garcia list' 'Keep posting! Your information seems to be a bit more solid than most of the other rubbish that is published. Besides, Jos`'s cynical view probably stems from the fact that someone else got the info. first.' 'Don't let one or 2 bad apples spoil the bunch. Keep up the good work!' I WAS NOT responsible for theTour de France fiasco, as has been alleged. I have already said that in my opinion that rumour was utter rubbish. I actually wasted time looking into this rumour. If I receive any samples from the alleged new KRAFTWERK album, I will anounce it by e-mail. Then if anybody is interested they can e-mail me personally, and I will send it directly to them. I WILL NOT DOWNLOAD IT ONTO THE MAIL LIST. I would like to apologize for what as happened simply because it was done by a fellow Englishman. But please remember I am not connected in any way with the downloading of sound files. If anybody wants to make RUDE comments post them directly to the person concerned not to the mailing list. If I write again I hope it will be concerning Kraftwerk, NOT abuse. Target abuse to the individual concerned - DO NOT make assumptions please. Best Regards Brian ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:48:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: Personal criticism Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > I am aware of the fiasco with the hoax sound file. THIS IS NOTHING TO DO > WITH ME. I think you're lying. The message arrived in the middle of a flamewar in which you were directly involved, from an account id almost identical to yours, from someone at *your site* who isn't even subscribed to the list. Mighty big coincidence if it wasn't you who posted it. > I am trying to discover who posted that rubbish, once this has been > established I will ensure that the same does not happen again. You don't have to "discover" anything - the poster's identity was right at the top of the message. More reason to suspect that you're full of it. > Please (Lazlo Nibble and company) do not assume that everyone in Britain > is an 'asshole'. I don't. I*know* what *whoever posted a 1.6 meg sound file to the list* is an asshole. > I have also offered to stop posting information on the Mix2 rumours if > that is what the majority want; I don't mind you posting a rumor; I do mind you actively defending that rumor as fact with absolutely no actual evidence to back you up. Assuming you're not making it all up on your own, you should know that being in radio does not give you access to "record-company secrets;" radio finds out about new releases at the same time everyone else does, and record companies do *not* keep new releases a secret. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 18:40:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Thomas Fehlmann Really-From: SUBRATAB@delphi.com John Richey wrote: I mentioned the poster to a friend the other day, here in Berlin, Thomas Fehlman - -> is this the same Thomas Fehlmann as the ambient musician (worked with Pete Namlook, etc.) ? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 18:18:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: Radio-Activity Really-From: Jon Krocker Can anybody translate the morse code in radioactivity? IMHO when Kraftwerk used analog instruments (Ralph and Florian, Autobahn, etc) one should listen to them from vinyl. When Kraftwerk changed Kling Klang to digital one should listen to that music from CD's. Of course if they used a mix of analog and digital listen to what ever you have ;-) This may be flamebait but does anybody out there know anybody from Kraftwerk and if they do could you go ask those guys to release some muzik. I for one need a fix. I was considering asking one of my uncles who lives in Dusseldorf but he thought I was crazy oh well Jon Krocker jkrocker@mbnet.mb.ca ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 18:17:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: Thomas Fehlmann Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) >> I mentioned the poster to a friend the other day, here in Berlin, Thomas >> Fehlman > > -> is this the same Thomas Fehlmann as the ambient musician (worked with > Pete Namlook, etc.) ? I don't think John would have dropped the name if it wasn't. :-) - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 03:50:39 +0100 Subject: Sorry Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) In article Richard Ingram writes: >From: Richard Ingram >Subject: Your Mail >To: majortom@muc.de >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:29:26 +0100 >Hi ! >Whilst I agree with you about expelling the two users from the ac.uk site >I do take offence at your reference to "british scum", it would have been >better phrased as "juvenile british students" that way you do not tar others >from .co.uk sites. >I'm sure you would not like to be called german scum ? After all your are >posting from a .de site. >Bye, >Richard. Sorry Richard, I certainly didn't want to relate the "scum" to Britain. I just wanted to use the "british" discriptively, but I see it is a lingual error. Please excuse me for this, but I was rather upset at the time I wrote this, so my thoughts were not perfectly clear. Any kind of nationalism was not my intention, especially as I spent 8 year of my life growing up in London (Ham/Richmond, Surrey). Bye - - mw (http://www.muc.de/~majortom/mw.html) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 20:14:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Radio-Activity Really-From: "Aaron J. Grier" On Fri, 16 Dec 1994, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Can anybody translate the morse code in radioactivity? It's radioactivity as far as I can tell. Of course, my morse is a bit rusty, but that's how it goes... :-) - ---- The Finn / VLA Aaron J. Grier agrier@reed.edu (other addresses will be forwarded to this one.) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #123 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #124 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 18 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 124 Re: Thomas Fehlmann Re: Thomas Fehlmann Re: Radio-Activity KW and BJORK? Re: Radio-Activity delays due to new tech ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 94 11:28:26 EDT Subject: Re: Thomas Fehlmann Really-From: camcima@dcc.unicamp.br unsubscribe camcima@dcc.unicamp.br ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 94 11:28:08 EDT Subject: Re: Thomas Fehlmann Really-From: camcima@dcc.unicamp.br ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 94 15:43:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Radio-Activity Really-From: andreas petersson You> > Can anybody translate the morse code in radioactivity? According to Anders Wilhelm's WWW pages: Morse: Radioactivity is in the air for you and me Radioactivity discovered by madame curie Radioactivity tune in to the ... Kraftwerk Regards, Andreas Petersson ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 94 22:15:00 +0100 Subject: KW and BJORK? Really-From: dolf.wiemer@hacom.wlink.nl (Dolf Wiemer) >> The Mix II rumours are true and to prove it I am sending a sound file >> >> [[ GLING.AU : 3102 in GLING.AU ]] >> >> The following binary file has been uuencoded to ensure successful >> transmission. Use UUDECODE to extract. >> >> begin 600 GLING.AU >> M+G-N9````1@`$>W-`````0``'T`````!9VQI;F<@<')O(&9I;'0N874`('!R >> M;R!F:6QT+F%U(@!T>'0B```````````````````````````````````````` KML>>From what I can hear, this file is some song with Bjork. Only one thing to do (if I was maintainer of this list): A life-time no-access to this (or any other) mailing list for the person who sent this message. Dave Datta: if you allow this kind of message, what's next to expect? - ---- HACOM BBS, The Netherlands. +31-33-803610/801882/806321. All nodes 28K8! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 20:13:18 -0600 Subject: Re: Radio-Activity Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: Jon Krocker : Can anybody translate the morse code in radioactivity? >From the lyrics file in the archives (Compliments of Rick Jansen): .-. .- -.. .. --- .- -.-. - .. ...- .. - -..-- [R A D I O A C T I V I T Y ] Radioactivity is in the air for you and me Radioactivity discovered by madame curie Radioactivity tune in to the ... Kraftwerk The code on the mix is the same. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 94 22:52:08 EST Subject: delays due to new tech Really-From: "YEDID,GABRIEL,MR" I don't buy that. The emergence of new technology hasn't stopped TD from continuing to put out 1 album per year (and that was true even in the old days!) Now if you ask me whether KW can put the same gear to better use than TD...well, with no Chris Franke or Johannes Schmoelling, the answer would have to be a grudging yes. On the other hand, I like hearing successively better albums out of TD than nothing for years at a time and hit-or-miss end product. gabe ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #124 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #125 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 19 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 125 unsubscribe KW and BJORK ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 94 20:20 CET Subject: unsubscribe Really-From: joacim@skom.se (Joacim Melin) unsubscribe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 14:35:19 -0600 Subject: KW and BJORK Really-From: datta (David Datta) :Really-From: dolf.wiemer@hacom.wlink.nl (Dolf Wiemer) : Dave Datta: if you allow this kind of message, what's next to expect? I wasn't going to waste any more list time with this topic but.... What exactly do you expect me to do about it? The message was posted, the person is not on the list. I have prevented them from ever posting to any of the lists I run again. I cannot stop them from reading the info on the list. I know that folks pay for the list and I completely agree that the file should not have been posted. I also know that there are lots of bone-heads out there and with the general degeneration of the quality of people on the net, thing like this will happen more often. Quite frankly, whenever this kind of thing comes up, I seriously consider shutting down the lists completely. I don't have the time or the inclination to deal with this kind of crap. I am tired of fighting with the machine owner about how much load these lists take. Yes, I am in a bad mood. But, it will pass and the lists will continue on. - -- ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #125 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #126 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 20 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 126 Re: delays due to new tech Re: Personal criticism Xmas Re: KW and BJORK? (Fwd) Re: (Fwd) Brian's Post ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:23:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: delays due to new tech Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: "YEDID,GABRIEL,MR" > I don't buy that. Neither do I. That's their "official" excuse. > The emergence of new technology hasn't stopped TD > from continuing to put out 1 album per year (and that was true even > in the old days!) The comparison is, IMHO, out of place. How many TD albums exist? How many of these are considered as "classics"? Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:30:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Personal criticism Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > 'Keep posting them! Believe it or not, this isn't the Jose Garcia list' Of course not. > > 'Keep posting! Your information seems to be a bit more solid than > most of the other rubbish that is published. Besides, Jos`'s cynical > view probably stems from the fact that someone else got the info. > first.' THIS IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT AND RUBBISH. If people want me out of the list, e-mail me personally. I will get out of it. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 94 11:56:37 +0100 Subject: Xmas Really-From: c94petan@ida.his.se (Peter Andersson) I would like to wish you all a Merry Xmas /Peter c94petan@ida.his.se ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:36:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: KW and BJORK? Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: dolf.wiemer@hacom.wlink.nl (Dolf Wiemer) hi dolf :) > Dave Datta: if you allow this kind of message, what's next to expect? See people PAYS to get the list! Dave does more than he should, as he administrates a good bunch of lists. A good think, if possible, would be to limit the size per message to be put on the list. Only a few Kbytes should be allowed. And an automatic remover of redundant quotes :) Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 14:15:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: (Fwd) Really-From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman Brian Gaze asked me to forward some comments, since he's been denied posting privliges. All comments are his and his alone, and my forwarding them to the list should in no way imply any taking of sides on my part. - --begin included text >From CS0BGA@cis.sunderland.ac.uk Mon Dec 19 04:29 PST 1994 1) Hi folks, I will not talk about other people on this mailing list. If there is criticism / support for me please send it personally, and I will reply directly to you. The last totally new Kraftwerk album to appear +Electric Cafe+ did not fare particularly well in the UK. +Musique Non-stop+ and +The Telephone Call+ (a brilliant track in my opinion) the 2 UK singles were both commercial failures. 5 years later came +The Mix+; in the UK +The Robots+ was the lead single - making the Top 30 for a brief time. +The Mix+ album peaked at No 15 in the UK (a respectable position - but not a great one, especially considering that the Mix was essentially an incomplete greatest hits album). The Mix omits many of Kraftwerks most famous tracks - most of these will appear on +The Mix 2+ if my contact in radio is correct. If +The Mix 2+ does appear will it make an impact? In the UK The Model is clearly Kraftwerks most famous song, making it the obvious lead single from a +Mix 2+ album. In the last few years several electronic songs from the same era have been successfully re-released, e.g. Fade to Grey - Visage, Cars - Gary Numan, Tainted Love - Soft Cell, Temptation - Heaven 17, The Look of Love - ABC. Therefore, it is not unreasonable to assume that +The Model+ would make the UK top 10. Accordingly, sales of the album would benefit, probably equalling or outselling the original +Mix+ album. Would +The Mix 2+ complement +The Mix+? I am not convinced. Technology and the techniques used to employ it are constantly changing in the music world, an example is drumbeats - different sounds and dancebeats constantly appear. Therefore, I suspect +The Mix+ will sound dated if +The Mix 2+ is indeed released. I am aware, as everyone else on this list is, that even if +The Mix 2+ album is being circulated in a very limited promotional way there is no guarantee that it will ever make a public appearance. As we all know, Technopop, the album was scheduled for release twice and never saw the light of day. As you German guys would say, Kraftwerks music is truly a +gesamtkunstwerk+. But it would be difficult for them (I would suspect) to make an album as revolutionary as +The Man Machine+ or +Computer World+. Therefore, +The Mix 2 album+ would appear to be an easy option. On a different point, I would strongly recommend Kraftwerk fans to listen to the new Human League album, entitled +Octopus+. In the UK this is released early next year. The album is fabulous, including +Tell Me Now+, which will be released as a single, it could be straight from their classic +Dare+ album. PS. Thanks to those of you who have supported me e-mailed me letters of support. Brian Gaze 2) I am sick and tired of the language which is being used on the mailing list. There is no need for swearing. It strikes me that many people on this list are only feeding their egos. Clearly Lazlo Nibble is pink with rage, that is his problem not mine. I am bored with this list. The command of the English language which some of you possess is akin to that of a remedial 5 year old. But perhaps some of you are remedial 5 year old, in which case I apologise. I suspect some of the more noted people on this list actually know very little about Kraftwerk, you only write to it to massage your egos. I also suspect that some of you live on your computer and have no social life. I also suspect that many of you are genuine fans of Kraftwerks music and lead normal lives, rather than being worshippers of 2 people you have never met. Therefore, I am running an informal mailing list, which will deal with Kraftwerks music, not what time they get out of bed. For questions concerning Kraftwerk e-mail me personally In conclusion, will some of you please grow up and get a life. Learn to express yourself by manipulating the English language in its correct way, rather than using 4 letter expletives as an easy option. I would like to thank the people responsible for providing this service. For those who thinks the problems on this list are universal think again. I have observed various electronic discussion forums, and they have all been civilised and informative. Perhaps someday this mailing list will become what it should be rather than what it is. Brian Gaze - -- / Christopher Robin Zimmerman / kzim@koko.csustan.edu / zimmerma@cs.ucr.edu / ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 18:36:28 -0600 Subject: Re: (Fwd) Really-From: David Datta In article <3d51ou$1s3@cs.uwp.edu> you wrote: : Really-From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman : Brian Gaze asked me to forward some comments, since he's been denied posting : privliges. All comments are his and his alone, and my forwarding them to the : list should in no way imply any taking of sides on my part. Ummm, I did not deny Brian, I denied Dave Marshland. I have no proof at all that Brian posted the UUENCODED file. He should have no problems posting to the list. A quick look shows that my posting yesterday was not clear about that, it was actually quite misleading. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 19:30:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: Brian's Post Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > I will not talk about other people on this mailing list. > Clearly Lazlo Nibble is pink with rage, that is his problem not mine. Care to make up your mind, Brian? - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #126 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #127 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 21 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 127 kw list Can I still write to the mailing list? Re: Xmas Jose's direct line to Ralf & Florian? Recent bitching on this digest Jose's direct line to Ralf & Florian? Pointer: cover versions discography Re: Unsubscribe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 09:37:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: kw list Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) As this list (and all) is open, anybody can post and say what they think, bring up a topic, etc. If anybody is not happy with the contents of the list, you can: 1. quit the list 2. contribute to the list with your thoughts Anything else is rubbish. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 94 09:37:00 PST Subject: Can I still write to the mailing list? Really-From: GAZE Brian Yesterday I was unable to write to the mailing list. This is to check whether or not I can today. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 12:13:35 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Re: Xmas Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) > Really-From: c94petan@ida.his.se (Peter Andersson) > > I would like to wish you all > a Merry Xmas Thanx Peter. Now if only Santa would put a "Mix II promo copy" in my Xmas stocking. ;-) Ho hum... - -- Johann ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 94 11:39:00 PST Subject: Jose's direct line to Ralf & Florian? Really-From: GAZE Brian Jose Garcia wrote: >If anybody is not happy with the contents of the list, you can: > 1. quit the list > 2. contribute to the list with your thoughts >Anything else is rubbish. Thankgod for small mercies. Jose gives us a choice!!! In practise this does not mean a lot. We allegedely have 2 options: 1) Quit the list and therefore not have any input 2) Contribute thoughts - if you do this Jose will promptly intervene and accuse the writer of speaking rubbish. Please Jose, do not be jealous if other people receive information before you do. Do you have a direct line to Ralf & Florian? Are you a spokesperson for Kling Klang? Your e-mails suggest that your answer to both questions is YES. In anticipation of your usual FOUL MOUTHED critical response let me finish by saying that I have received much personal e-mail from list members, and only ONE person has been critical of me. I will be travelling to London in the next couple of days, to conclusively establish whether the Mix 2 rumours are true. How will everyone know if what I say is true? Simple - if the Mix 2 is in circulation I will obtain samples of it. If I do obtain a sample I will e-mail the list to let every one know (I WILL NOT DOWNLOAD IT). Then I will transfer it to one independent person (Anders?) for analysis. He can then tell everyone whether or not it is genuine. Expect to here more about the Mix 2 on 4/1/95 from me. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 94 09:20:37 EST Subject: Recent bitching on this digest Really-From: richard@dgbt.doc.ca (Richard Paiement) Since the rumours of a possible Mix 2 release have surfaced this fall, this normally respectable digest has degenerated into what should be renamed 'The Kraftwerk Fans Attacking Each Other Digest'. I would suggest someone rename this digest as such, and start a new one tentatively called 'The Kraftwerk-Related Discussions Digest, Excluding ALL Personal Communications'. Please subscribe me on this new digest. And I'm looking forward to the next Kraftwerk release, whenever it come out and whatever it will be called. Richard P.S. PLEASE don't reply to this post. Just let it die, as you should with all other posts which are not relevant to the original purpose of this digest. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 08:20:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: Jose's direct line to Ralf & Florian? Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > We allegedely have 2 options: > > 1) Quit the list and therefore not have any input > > 2) Contribute thoughts - if you do this Jose will promptly intervene and > accuse the writer of speaking rubbish. God forbid. I can only imagine the horrible emotional scarring this could cause in the more delicate individuals in our midst. I hate to break it to you, but saying something in public means that you invite people to comment on what you said -- in *public*. If you say something silly, you'll get called on it, and if you can't deal with that fact you'd better get off the net completely. > Please Jose, do not be jealous if other people receive information before > you do. Do you have a direct line to Ralf & Florian? Oh, horsenuggets. I've explained this to you in private email already, but for the benefit of the list -- if Mix II was being circulated as a radio promo, *more people than you would know about it*. It would be available from collector's shops, would be getting *radio play* (hint hint), and their label would *not* be pretending that the album doesn't exist. (Who promos an album they want to keep secret?) No one is getting after you for posting the rumor in the first place; you're being flamed for continuing to insist that your information is valid without any real evidence of that, for making up bogus "explanations" for your being the only person who knows about the album, and for refusing to stop repeating the rumor until you can back it up with facts. We've seen too many hoaxes, lies, and rumors posted here over the past few years to simply sit back and tolerate them. > Expect to here more about the Mix 2 on 4/1/95 from me. Expect to get laughed off the list if you try to pass something from one of the many KW bootleg remix compilations off as "a new remix from The Mix II". - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 05:03:42 GMT Subject: Pointer: cover versions discography Really-From: kevinb@decision.demon.co.uk (Kevin Busby) A new version of my discography of cover versions of Kraftwerk songs is now available from Anders Wilhelm's Kraftwerk WWW pages - which, as you should know, can be found at the following URL:- http://www.cs.umu.se/tsdf/kraftwerk/ Thanks to Anders for providing a home for the discography and converting it to HTML format. kevinb ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 02:35:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Really-From: LoftMan@aol.com Unsubscribe ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #127 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #128 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 22 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 128 happy Xmas Lazlo's right. unsubscribe kraftwerk Thomas Fehlmann MERRY CHRISTMAS A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS Dave: continue list! Dave: continue list! (fwd) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:16:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: happy Xmas Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) All the messages that I have sent to this mailing list are personal opinions and information that I've got to know from different sources, all from people interested in kw music. I hope you keep alive this list. Happy X-mas to everybody. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 13:17:52 MEZ-1MESZ Subject: Lazlo's right. Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER STUDENT" Thanks to Lazlo for typing my thoughts. Jose said what had to be said. Dear Brian, you do not have any hard facts or such. In contrast, the last TDF rumour was based on record shop lists and a phonecall to EMI. I can tell you so many things why the Mix 2 rumour is totally unlikely. There should be promo 12", not albums. EMi does not do promo LP's or CD's. Promos of albums are only given away to the press after the launch. You think this is the Jose Garcia list? Maybe it is because he bothers to answer questions of newcomers and people asking about differnet releases and so on. He expressed some thoughts I also had - and remember, the first mail in doubt of your claim was from me. Hope you can substantiate your claim... if not, I eagerly anticipate an explanation if it doesn't happen. Gunther ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 13:52:22 +0000 Subject: unsubscribe kraftwerk Really-From: owen@ses6a.bt.co.uk From: NAME: Mark Owen FUNC: DSI13 TEL: 0473 210263 To: "kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu"@R11F@MRGATE unsubcribe kraftwerk ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 14:28:32 +0100 Subject: Thomas Fehlmann Really-From: John Mccall Richey Thomas Fehlmann did not work with Pete Namlook, but then there is only one Thomas, he is the one who produced the Orb and Sun Electric. He has also done many other things but we don't want to waste the bandwidth on the "KW fans flame one another" mailing list, now do we. I have been so lost with this crap that has been coming across the list lately I think I am going to write a letter to Dave Datta and tell him to start a new list: Anybody agree with me!! JMR P.S. That poster/comix is going to be on the net after the new Year. (I promise) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:31:00 PST Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS Really-From: GAZE Brian Nice to see the replies were dignified in the extreme. A Merry Christmas (More than once to some of you) to all of you. Thanks to everyone who has written to me personally. How many different people really are on this list? Lets wave goodbye to a cynical 1994 and anticipate the new year and the new release. All the best Brian ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:32:00 PST Subject: A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS Really-From: GAZE Brian Nice to see the replies were dignified in the extreme. A Merry Christmas (More than once to some of you) to all of you. Thanks to everyone who has written to me personally. How many different people really are on this list? Lets wave goodbye to a cynical 1994 and anticipate the new year and the new release. All the best Brian ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 19:19:00 +0100 Subject: Dave: continue list! Really-From: dolf.wiemer@hacom.wlink.nl (Dolf Wiemer) KML>Quite frankly, whenever this kind of thing comes up, I seriously >consider shutting down the lists completely. I don't have the time or >the inclination to deal with this kind of crap. I am tired of fighting >with the machine owner about how much load these lists take. Continue the good work, Dave. I very much appreciate what your doing!! Dolf - ---- HACOM BBS, The Netherlands. +31-33-803610/801882/806321. All nodes 28K8! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 01:15:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: Dave: continue list! (fwd) Really-From: Jon Krocker KML>Quite frankly, whenever this kind of thing comes up, I seriously >consider shutting down the lists completely. I don't have the time or >the inclination to deal with this kind of crap. I am tired of fighting >with the machine owner about how much load these lists take. Please continue to put up with the crap ;-) until Kraftwerk releases something, this list is the only thing to hang on to. I know I said this before but why doesn't somebody phone Kling Klang and ask them. Does Rolf or Florian have unlisted phone numbers? Whatever Jon Krocker jkrocker@mbnet.mb.ca ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #128 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #129 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 23 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 129 Merry Christmas, all ye gentlefolk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 94 09:00:28 EST Subject: Merry Christmas, all ye gentlefolk Really-From: "YEDID,GABRIEL,MR" I just want to wish all listmembers happy holidays. I hope you all have merry christmases (wherever you are) and happy new years! Looking forward to great happenings in '95 (TD tour, Jarre album in my area, and a new KW album), Gabe ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #129 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #130 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 24 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 130 unsubscribe unsubscribe kraftwerk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 09:03:04 +0000 Subject: unsubscribe Really-From: owen@ses6a.bt.co.uk From: NAME: Mark Owen FUNC: DSI13 TEL: 0473 210263 To: "kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu"@R11F@MRGATE unsubscribe kraftwerk ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 94 15:30 CET Subject: unsubscribe kraftwerk Really-From: joacim@skom.se (Joacim Melin) unsubscribe kraftwerk ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #130 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #131 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 28 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 131 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #130 World-wide locations of members Re: World-wide locations of members Ultra Rare Trax ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 94 21:15:44 GMT Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #130 Really-From: kevinb@decision.demon.co.uk (Kevin Busby) A polite reminder to anyone about to send "unsubscribe" messages to this list. The following message appears above every piece of email:- That's REQUESTS FOR ADD/REMOVAL FROM THIS LIST TO kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Come on folks, make an effort. If you want full details you'll find them in the welcome email sent to all new members, and in the FAQ. Season's greetings Kevin ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 20:49:22 -0500 Subject: World-wide locations of members Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I am curious, as i've only been on the KW board for a month or so...where are all of you located? I'd be interested in seeing the global impact Kraftwerk has, this would be a good indicator.... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 20:47:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: World-wide locations of members Really-From: Soleil Lapierre On Tue, 27 Dec 1994, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > I am curious, as i've only been on the KW board for a month or so...where are > all of you located? I'd be interested in seeing the global impact Kraftwerk > has, this would be a good indicator.... I've never left Canada, though I've lived in six of its provinces. I first discovered KW about 12 or 13 years ago, here in Calgary, Alberta. I've since lived in several other cities and have recently returned to Calgary. /------------------------------------v------------------------------------\ | Soleil Lapierre | Of Borg, Yoda am I. Assimilated | | Internet: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | will you be, hmmm? | | Fidonet: Soleil Lapierre, 1:134/40 | | \------------------------------------^------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 21:31:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: Ultra Rare Trax Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) I didn't see this make it through the first time, so sorry if anyone gets this twice -- a local shop has a copy of the Kraftwerk URT for $20; does anyone want me to grab it for them? - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #131 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #132 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 29 December 1994 Volume 02 : Number 132 Re: World-wide locations of members Mix 2 rumors Re: Ultra Rare Trax where i'm from ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 21:05:00 -0500 Subject: Re: World-wide locations of members Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I just realized, not without some irony, that I neglected to give MY address! East Northport, Long Island, New York. I was born in Brooklyn and have lived in various locations on Long Island all my life, save for my time at the State University of New York at Albany in the mid 1970's. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 21:08:17 -0500 Subject: Mix 2 rumors Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I notice no one is saying anything about "The Mix 2" this week. Is it because everyone's on vacation, or because this has become a tired, played out subject? For what it's worth, my local record store new nothing about it and did not have it. I will be back at work next week, at which time I will contact Warner Bros. records in my capacity as a music journalist and see if I can get anything out of them. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 21:09:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Ultra Rare Trax Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Dear Lazlo: I'd like the copy of "Ultra Rare Trax." Do you know if the sound quality is at least decent? Please advise your desired method of payment, and if you'd like to speak to me in "real life" (give me a day or three to get back to you). ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 94 23:39:36 EST Subject: where i'm from Really-From: "YEDID,GABRIEL,MR" I discovered KW through _The Mix_, which I rented for a time here in my ole hometown of Montreal, Quebec, CANADA (guess which side of the sepa- ration debate I'm on :) ). I haven't met too many other KW fans here (OK, 1 other). Where are they all hiding? Gabe ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #132 *******************************