From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #133 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 2 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 133 New release of old stuff? Kraftwerk of course How to access the good stuff? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 95 11:45:46 GMT-1:00 Subject: New release of old stuff? Really-From: J|rgen B|rjesson Just thought you were interested.... In the latest issue (1/95) of "Release" (a Swedish synth magazine) there is an interview with Chris Metzler of Mute's Grey Area. In this interview mr Metzler states that: "Possibly Kraftwerk's earliest material will be released (on the Grey Area, my remark), but there's been some complications in obtaining the rights" So, cross your fingers folks. /jorgen borjesson e-mail: jorbor@etek.chalmers.se "The Earth is the cradle of mankind, but one cannot live in the cradle forever." Konstantin Tsiolkovskij ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 20:41:00 -0500 Subject: Kraftwerk of course Really-From: mike.moreau@canrem.com (Mike Moreau) I hope this goes in the right place. I'm a very big fan of Kraftwerk ever since I grew up in Germany listening to them (though Kraftwerk never really got any air play on the radio, but a lot of hype on the TV). Now I live in Ontario, Canada and still enjoy collecting Kraftwerk and related stuff. The Electrik Music group was very good (members of Kraftwerk) they released a whole bunch of great songs and also produced and remixed a lot of songs for different groups. The place where I buy my live recordings (bootleggs) from (a music store in Toronto) say that the new Album (Mix2) will hopefully come out soon. The guys from Electric Musik are also producing and remixing the next album (single) for the band Electronic (Guys from New Order & Pet Shop Boys & Smiths) which should be out soon 2 (I hope). Although he did mention that they are very lazy!! I have a lot of Kraftwerk live recordings on CD (over 30 CD's or so) and was wondering if I could get everyone's favourite list of live recordings by KW. I also collect music by other bands who were greatly influenced by Kraftwerk including (Vince Clarke - Founding member of Depeche Mode, Yazoo (Yaz), The Assembly, Paul Quinn & Vince Clarke, and now ERASURE! Some of his instrumentals from the first year of Depeche Mode and later Erasure are very good. I also have some very early stuff from another Germany band called camouflage (greatly influenced by Kraftwerk). They have a song called Kling Klang which sounds like a very good Kraftwerk type of song. And of course there is the Human League and Heaven 17 also greatly influenced by KW. Well I think I have said enough for now. Thanks for listening! A great KW fan Gabe N. (not the other Gabe from Quebec).....A different GABE!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 1 JAN 95 23:02:02 EST Subject: How to access the good stuff? Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA What is the best way to access and ftp the Kraftwerk files on the University of Wisconsin Site. My friend can't get in. It's always busy. Any suggestions? I never tried cause I only have email access. Thanks Philip Pilgrim ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #133 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #134 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 3 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 134 WhereAmI? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 95 21:47:52 EDT Subject: WhereAmI? Really-From: macan@dcc.unicamp.br Hello Kraftwerk'ers! I am a 20 Years old student of Computer Engineering here in Brazil (State University of Campinas, UNICAMP) and I first met Kraftwerk in a TV advertising, it was being used to sell shoes (believe it or not)! It was The Hall of Mirrors... (I believe they used it only because of the footstep intro :) ) IT was around 1985 (by the way that was when they first released Kraftwerk material in Brazil, all at once...). My brother liked the song and bought the album, later I discovered It... and bought all the other albums. Here in Brazil we (unfortunately) don't have a good market for singles, so we don't have them, this means I never heard Tour de France (and that makes me feel bad, I've heard a lot about it)... AH! I have never seen a KW videoclip too... neither bootlegged CDs or Videos... so If any of you could send me some addresses of good stores that sell CDs and Videos (The bootlegged, of course) by mail I would be very happy =) well, thats it... if one wants to know more about KW and/or Brazil just ask! ;) See you! Eduardo macan@dcc.unicamp.br http://www.dcc.unicamp.br/~macan ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #134 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #135 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 4 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 135 Re: Kraftwerk of course Re: How to access the good stuff? Re: Kraftwerk of course Re: How to access the good stuff? Re: WhereAmI? Re: How to access the good stuff? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 16:37:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk of course Really-From: Richard Ingram > > Really-From: mike.moreau@canrem.com (Mike Moreau) > > I hope this goes in the right place. Yep :-) > have a song called Kling Klang which sounds like a very good Kraftwerk > type of song. And of course there is the Human League and Heaven 17 also > greatly influenced by KW. Talking of Human League they have some new stuff out, they played on Top Of The Pops the other day, and they had all electronic gear - and sounded good, could this be an early 80's revival ?? I hope so :-) Rich. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 16:39:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: How to access the good stuff? Really-From: Richard Ingram > > Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA > > > What is the best way to access and ftp the Kraftwerk files on the > University of Wisconsin Site. My friend can't get in. It's > always busy. Any suggestions? I never tried cause I only > have email access. Can this site do e-mail ftp ? That could be the answer, I can never get in either ! Rich. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 20:16:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Kraftwerk of course Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Hi Gabe, your message made it! Also, has anyone ever heard the early '80s work of a band called DAF (Deutsche Amerikansche Freundschaft, hope I spelled that right!) Their first single ("Der Mussolini") and the album which contains the song "Verliebe Dich Und Mich" (hope I spelled that right too), is it "Fur Immer"? were recorded at Conny Plank's studio, same as that credited on many Kraftwerk albums, and not only does the mix sound somewhat similar to Kraftwerk, it sounds as if they actually borrowed or used some of the same synthesizers Kraftwerk used! Anyone able to elaborate? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 20:24:38 -0500 Subject: Re: How to access the good stuff? Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I tried www.wit.com:/music and it worked! I'm using America Online (and a Mac); they have an "FTP" entry screen which, believe me, if I can figure out how to use, anyone can (I'll give you the blow-by-blow if you need it, I assume the interface is identical for PC's). If it's not AOL you're using, I'm not sure. But I was able to get into the "www" address with no trouble-and also could not get into the Wisconsin site (kept saying it was busy with over 100 users on-line, words to that effect.) You really feel like you're part of the "Computerwelt" when you see the computer-generated heads from "Electric Cafe" appearing on screen before your very eyes! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 20:30:34 -0500 Subject: Re: WhereAmI? Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Get your hands on an American magazine called "Goldmine," they list hundreds of specialty mail order record stores worldwide. You must hear "Tour de France!" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 20:31:09 -0500 Subject: Re: How to access the good stuff? Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com see my previous post ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #135 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #136 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 5 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 136 Kraftwerk & DAF Re: sound quality Dave: continue list! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 95 13:06 MET Subject: Kraftwerk & DAF Really-From: wilt@df.lth.se (Gustav Holmberg) Hi! Well, to me, the first DAF album sounds quite different from the stuff Kraftwerk created at the time. They sound more like Cabaret Voltaire than Kraftwerk. Conny Plank also worked with Ultravox (Vienna and Rage in Eden). Bye, Gustav Holmberg ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:02:51 -0600 Subject: Re: sound quality Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > In my opinion, analogue sounds better than digital in almost every important > > sonic respect! > > I quite agree with you. This can even be true for digitally recorded stuff, > i.e. The Mix. And if vinyl sounds better than CD, imagine compared to the > miniDiscs and DCCs, which use lossy compression. > Yeah, since vinyl only uses lossy non-compression. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 19:19:00 +0100 Subject: Dave: continue list! Really-From: dolf.wiemer@hacom.wlink.nl (Dolf Wiemer) KML>Quite frankly, whenever this kind of thing comes up, I seriously >consider shutting down the lists completely. I don't have the time or >the inclination to deal with this kind of crap. I am tired of fighting >with the machine owner about how much load these lists take. Continue the good work, Dave. I very much appreciate what your doing!! Dolf - ---- HACOM BBS, The Netherlands. +31-33-803610/801882/806321. All nodes 28K8! ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #136 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #137 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 7 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 137 CAN Double CD, Frankfurt am Main excuse me Re: How to access the good stuff? greetings all Re: greetings all Re: greetings all greetings all bootlegs KW1, KW2, + R&F greetings all Re: greetings all...German 70's Rock Re: bootlegs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 1995 01:33:53 -0800 Subject: CAN Double CD, Frankfurt am Main Really-From: luke@scruznet.com (Luther Welsh, Jr.) Geschwister - A friend, traveling from Germany, will bring me a copy of the CAN Double CD re-release. He has been unable to find a copy. Can somebody tell me the name and/or phone number of a store in Frankfurt or Hanau that has this CD in stock? Oh, any other suggestions as to what he should bring me? I'm greedy. But hurry! He's leaving on this coming Tuesday, the 10th. Thanks - Luke Welsh "Ich bin Ihr Diener und Ihr Herr zugleich" ---...--- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 95 10:48:59 +0100 Subject: excuse me Really-From: dolf.wiemer@hacom.wlink.nl (Dolf Wiemer) There was a major crash at my internet-gateway, therefor some mail from me was accidently sent a second time. groeten, Dolf | /|\ | dolf.wiemer@hacom.wlink.nl (only mail-account) | / | \ | wiemer@eb.ele.tue.nl (on-line ... sometimes) | --------------- | Dolf Wiemer | ' / | \ ` | De Balmerd 223, 6641 LW Beuningen | / | \ | The Netherlands, +31 8897 70006 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 10:58:42 -0600 Subject: Re: How to access the good stuff? Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > From kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Tue Jan 3 19:35:10 1995 > Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 20:24:38 -0500 > From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) > Sender: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu > I tried www.wit.com:/music and it worked! I'm using America Online (and a > Mac); they have an "FTP" entry screen which, believe me, if I can figure out > how to use, anyone can (I'll give you the blow-by-blow if you need it, I > assume the interface is identical for PC's). If it's not AOL you're using, > I'm not sure. But I was able to get into the "www" address with no > trouble-and also could not get into the Wisconsin site (kept saying it was > busy with over 100 users on-line, words to that effect.) You really feel like > you're part of the "Computerwelt" when you see the computer-generated heads > from "Electric Cafe" appearing on screen before your very eyes! Has anybody else tried this, with normal ftp or WWW (bot AOL) I can't get in, and it's not really clear if it's WWW or ftp. (a name starting with www. is a bit strange for an ftp site.) - -gbr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 95 13:20:08 CdT Subject: greetings all Really-From: andrewm Hello, Guten Tag, Bon Jour, etc... I'm new to the list, so I thought I'd make myself known, and pose a question... I found 3 Kraftwerk CDs that seem to be imports from Germany, but the price tag on each is 59.90DM. According to my memory of exchange rates, this would place them around $35-$40 US... are CDs *really* that expensive in Germany? I would doubt it, since the store that has them are selling them for $27 US (still very expensive, though). The CDs are: 'Kraftwerk1', 'Kraftwerk2', and 'Ralf & Florian', which apparently have been out of print on vinyl for quite some time, so, I assume that these CDs are good buys. st. andrew "nous sommes les mannequins" -- kraftwerk ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:46:43 -0600 Subject: Re: greetings all Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > Really-From: andrewm > > Hello, Guten Tag, Bon Jour, etc... > > I'm new to the list, so I thought I'd make myself known, and pose > a question... > > I found 3 Kraftwerk CDs that seem to be imports from Germany, but > the price tag on each is 59.90DM. According to my memory of exchange > rates, this would place them around $35-$40 US... are CDs *really* > that expensive in Germany? I would doubt it, since the store that > has them are selling them for $27 US (still very expensive, though). The normal price for a CD in Germany is DM25-DM35, i.e. $16 - $22 incl. 15% sales tax. > > The CDs are: 'Kraftwerk1', 'Kraftwerk2', and 'Ralf & Florian', which Neat. What record store? What city? What manufacturer/label/record company is given on the cover ? > apparently have been out of print on vinyl for quite some time, > so, I assume that these CDs are good buys. > > st. andrew > "nous sommes les mannequins" -- kraftwerk > ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 22:10:18 +0100 Subject: Re: greetings all Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) >Really-From: andrewm > I found 3 Kraftwerk CDs that seem to be imports from Germany, but > the price tag on each is 59.90DM. According to my memory of exchange > rates, this would place them around $35-$40 US... are CDs *really* > that expensive in Germany? I would doubt it, since the store that > has them are selling them for $27 US (still very expensive, though). > The CDs are: 'Kraftwerk1', 'Kraftwerk2', and 'Ralf & Florian', which > apparently have been out of print on vinyl for quite some time, > so, I assume that these CDs are good buys. Hi. CDs in Germany are normally around 30 DM (19 $), double CDs 40 DM (25 $). The CDs you mentioned though aren't officially sold in shops here because they are bootlegs, i.e. unauthorised copys of the first 3 KW LPs. On record fairs they are sold for 30 DM, but there are people who are (trying to) sell them at much higher prices which could explain the tags. IMO these CDs are well worth getting if you're into KW and haven't got the LPs, because they demonstrate quite well how KW's music evolved over the time. Also available as a Boot is "Tone Float" which marks the KW founders' (Ralf Huetter + Florian Schneider) first recording. This may be interesting mainly as a collectors item because the music has no simularitys to KW as we know it. (It appeared in the beginning of the "Kraut Rock" era) - - mw (http://www.muc.de/~majortom/mw.html) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:51:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: greetings all Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > I found 3 Kraftwerk CDs that seem to be imports from Germany, but the > price tag on each is 59.90DM. According to my memory of exchange rates, > this would place them around $35-$40 US... are CDs *really* that > expensive in Germany? I would doubt it, since the store that has them > are selling them for $27 US (still very expensive, though). > > The CDs are: 'Kraftwerk1', 'Kraftwerk2', and 'Ralf & Florian' $27 each isn't *too* bad for these boots; I've seen them going for less, but not by much. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Check http://rt66.com/lazlo/ for Discographies, Record-Collecting ::: Resources, The Internet Music Wantlists, and more. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 95 15:33:37 CdT Subject: bootlegs Really-From: andrewm >Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) >CDs in Germany are normally around 30 DM (19 $), double CDs 40 DM (25 $). The >CDs you mentioned though aren't officially sold in shops here because they are >bootlegs, i.e. unauthorised copys of the first 3 KW LPs. On record fairs they >are sold for 30 DM, but there are people who are (trying to) sell them at >much higher prices which could explain the tags. ok, so they are bootlegs then? surprising since the sound quality of KW1 is really good. >IMO these CDs are well worth getting if you're into KW and haven't got the >LPs, because they demonstrate quite well how KW's music evolved over the time. >Also available as a Boot is "Tone Float" which marks the KW founders' (Ralf >Huetter + Florian Schneider) first recording. This may be interesting >mainly as a collectors item because the music has no simularitys to KW as we >know it. (It appeared in the beginning of the "Kraut Rock" era) well, I tend to be a completist in so far as I can find stuff on CD. I despise vinyl due to the upkeep and the fact that I don't have a good record player, so if I see something on CD, I'll usually end up getting it. I was quite surprised at the songs on KW1 because my previous exposure to KW was (4 years ago) The Mix and then (2 years ago) the tapes _Autobahn_ and _The Robots_, which are more song-like than the stuff on KW1. If KW2 and R&F are anything like KW1, I'll be very pleased as I really liked KW1 alot. "Muckzuck" has to be my favorite song of early KW so far, since it makes such wonderful (or would wunderbar be a better term? :) ) driving music... (so does _Autobahn_, but I didn't really care too much for the songs on the second side of _Autobahn_ as much as I did the title track...) st. andrew "never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes: that way, you'll be a mile away from him, have his shoes, and you can say whatever you want about him and get away with it..." - discordian quote ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 95 15:28:26 CdT Subject: KW1, KW2, + R&F Really-From: andrewm >Really-From: Gregor B Rochow >The normal price for a CD in Germany is DM25-DM35, i.e. $16 - $22 incl. >15% sales tax. ahhh... still expensive in my eyes... >What record store? What city? What manufacturer/label/record company is >given on the cover ? a record swap in Naperville, Il. USA. The label is Germanaphone or Grammaphone or something to that effect... st. andrew ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:51:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: greetings all Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > I found 3 Kraftwerk CDs that seem to be imports from Germany, but the > price tag on each is 59.90DM. According to my memory of exchange rates, > this would place them around $35-$40 US... are CDs *really* that > expensive in Germany? I would doubt it, since the store that has them > are selling them for $27 US (still very expensive, though). > > The CDs are: 'Kraftwerk1', 'Kraftwerk2', and 'Ralf & Florian' $27 each isn't *too* bad for these boots; I've seen them going for less, but not by much. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Check http://rt66.com/lazlo/ for Discographies, Record-Collecting ::: Resources, The Internet Music Wantlists, and more. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 1995 17:57:50 -0500 Subject: Re: greetings all...German 70's Rock Really-From: martynk@io.org (Martyn Kerluk) >Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) > >>Really-From: andrewm > >> The CDs are: 'Kraftwerk1', 'Kraftwerk2', and 'Ralf & Florian', which >> apparently have been out of print on vinyl for quite some time, >> so, I assume that these CDs are good buys. > >Hi. > >O these CDs are well worth getting if you're into KW and haven't got the >LPs, because they demonstrate quite well how KW's music evolved over the time. >Also available as a Boot is "Tone Float" which marks the KW founders' (Ralf >Huetter + Florian Schneider) first recording. This may be interesting >mainly as a collectors item because the music has no simularitys to KW as we >know it. (It appeared in the beginning of the "Kraut Rock" era) > >... The first 3 KW cd's are bootlegs, if their the ones I've seen in my city. But, does anyone in Europe know of Neu cd's??? Or any La Dusseldorf other than Viva on CD? How abou the first 2 Kluster releases on CD? Thanks Martyn Kerluk Martyn Kerluk **** "I come to free the words" **** **************Brion Gysin*********** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 01:47:07 +0100 Subject: Re: bootlegs Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) > ok, so they are bootlegs then? surprising since the sound quality of > KW1 is really good. Yes, sound quality is ok but on mine you can hear the record scratch now and then. > than the stuff on KW1. If KW2 and R&F are anything like KW1, I'll be > very pleased as I really liked KW1 alot. Song quality varies across the records. There are highlights and so so tracks. If you like KW1 do get them. > "Muckzuck" has to be my favorite song of early KW so far, since it > makes such wonderful (or would wunderbar be a better term? :) ) > driving music... (so does _Autobahn_, but I didn't really care too > much for the songs on the second side of _Autobahn_ as much as I did > the title track...) Yes "Ruckzuck" (original song title) is also my favourite on KW1. On KW2 I prefer Klingklang which is definetly very KWish and on R+F "Tanzmusik". Both already contain elements of the later typical KW percussion/groove. Early KW music IMO is very spacy and not so compressed as later work. In fact the ORB remindes me a little of this style. Maybe both are/were influenced by some of the same ingredients... - - mw (http://www.muc.de/~majortom/mw.html) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #137 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #138 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 8 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 138 MIDI vs Kraftwerk Re: MIDI vs Kraftwerk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 07 Jan 1995 14:36:31 GMT Subject: MIDI vs Kraftwerk Really-From: Stephane_Brousseau@cmq.qc.ca (Stephane Brousseau) Please anyone! Could you send me some infos about the MIDI hardware and software you know Kraftwerk uses! I'm the admin of the MIDI conference on Synapse, a FirstClass BBS in Quebec and we would like to know* Thanks a lot! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 17:55:42 +0100 Subject: Re: MIDI vs Kraftwerk Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) >Really-From: Stephane_Brousseau@cmq.qc.ca (Stephane Brousseau) >Please anyone! Could you send me some infos about the MIDI hardware and >software you know Kraftwerk uses! I'm the admin of the MIDI conference on >Synapse, a FirstClass BBS in Quebec and we would like to know* >Thanks a lot! This is a quote from a KW-gearlist I found somewhere: ******************************************************************** This is a list of things that were present in Kraftwerk's Kling Klang studio during the Computerworld tour of 1981. Note that it's a pre-midi and mainly analogue setup. This list is probably not complete at all. Huetter: - - Two analogue sequencers, producing up to 64 notes. A sequence can run as 1x64, or 2x32 in parallel. This is a custom-built device. - - Roland MC8 microcomposer with expanded memory, plus a bank of switches for routing signals. - - Eventide Digital Delay and Flanger - - Synthi VCS3 - - Prophet 5 - - Polymoog - - Minimoog - - light-disc instrument for playing mono choir sounds, which "was built in Florida". Bartos: - - Korg PS-3300 polyphonic synthesizer, "used for it's ability to merge harmonic with 'non-related' overtones, and it's parameters stretch attack and decay times to their limits". Fluer: - - Custom built drum machine. With 6 rows of switches, each row has it's own sound, that can be pulsed on when a switch is set. Pedals are used to give accents. - - Syndrum Schneider: - - Electronic flute - - Sennheiser vocoder - - EMS vocoder and patch panel - - Prophet polyphonic synthesizer - - Various filtering devices - - Equalizers, also parametric ones - - Mixers - - Eventide Harmonizer, Delay and Limiter/Compressor In later years digital machines were added, like a Fairlight, and later a Synclavier which contains samples of sounds of their earlier years. Waldorf microwave, Akai samplers. - - mw (http://www.muc.de/~majortom/mw.html) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #138 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #139 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 9 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 139 Re: MIDI vs (Why vs??? :) ) Kraftwerk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 95 21:59:06 EDT Subject: Re: MIDI vs (Why vs??? :) ) Kraftwerk Really-From: macan@dcc.unicamp.br Stephane wrote: >Please anyone! Could you send me some infos about the MIDI hardware and >software you know Kraftwerk uses! I'm the admin of the MIDI conference... Well... about the software... I think that Kraftwerk uses Voyetra Products (Sequencer Plus Gold), at least they (Voyetra) advertised it (spg) this way, they say that information society also uses it. By the way... How many of you out there also make Eletronic Music at home or professionally? Ciao! Eduardo +-------------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Eduardo Marcel Macan | | | Computer Engineering Student | "I program my home computer | | MIDI Hobbyst & Kraftwerk fan | beam myself into the future" | | macan@dcc.unicamp.br | | | http://www.dcc.unicamp.br/~macan | Home Computer - Kraftwerk | +-------------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #139 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #140 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 10 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 140 creation of electronic music ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 95 09:15:31 CdT Subject: creation of electronic music Really-From: andrewm >>Please anyone! Could you send me some infos about the MIDI hardware and >>software you know Kraftwerk uses! I'm the admin of the MIDI conference... >Well... about the software... I think that Kraftwerk uses Voyetra Products >(Sequencer Plus Gold), at least they (Voyetra) advertised it (spg) this way, >they say that information society also uses it. By the way... How many of you >out there also make Eletronic Music at home or professionally? I was considering as my senior project for my Comp. Sci degree doing a full animation with musical score all done on computer, but since we don't have the midi hookup at our school (much less a synth), I can't create the score... But, I do create my own stuff on acoustic equipment that is written to be done electronically (which is why I haven't bothered to release anything). I think that, instead of composing my own score, I will end up writing two animations for the songs "Show Room Dummies (Les Mannequins)" and "The Model" for my grade instead. I have to see if the school will accept that idea for credit, but if it goes through, I may be asking for advice for concepts... st. andrew ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #140 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #141 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 12 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 141 Wanted : Reviews of The Mix ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:15:03 BST Subject: Wanted : Reviews of The Mix Really-From: Shane J Wims Hello, Does anyone know if a review of The Mix was published in Q (a UK based music mag) or any other magazines. Better still, could someone e-mail me a copy if possible? Thanks ShaneJ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #141 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #142 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 14 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 142 Karl Reier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 17:56:11 +0100 Subject: Karl Reier Really-From: John Mccall Richey Anybody want to tell me why NME in the 7 Jan, 1995 issue refers to this Karl Reier as an ex-Kraftwerk member who has been joined by Bernard Sumner of New Order? I think it might be a typo for Karl, but then Karl is quite busy with LFO etc. JMR ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #142 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #143 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 16 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 143 ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 14:37:27 -0500 Subject: ... Really-From: Ageman@aol.com unsubscribe ageman@aol.com ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #143 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #144 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 17 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 144 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #138 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:17:52 MET-1MEST Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #138 Really-From: "MARCUS HAKANSSON" > Please anyone! Could you send me some infos about the MIDI hardware and > software you know Kraftwerk uses! I'm the admin of the MIDI conference on > Synapse, a FirstClass BBS in Quebec and we would like to know* > > Thanks a lot! ITS CALLED A SUPER DUPER HITS.... > > IT LOOK VERRY WELL MUCH HEAVY STUFF AND DRUGS............ DO JOIN!!!!!!!!!!!! > End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #138 > ******************************* > > ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #144 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #145 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 21 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 145 Re: How to access the good stuff? Re: MIDI vs Kraftwerk Re: MIDI vs (Why vs??? :) ) Kraftwerk Re: Wanted : Reviews of The Mix ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 19:04:29 -0500 Subject: Re: How to access the good stuff? Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Hi. Been away for a while (out of town travel). Do you have the latest version of America Online--Version 2.5? It seems that they recently added the capability to go to ftp and www sites. What you do is click on the following "boxes" or icons in the following sequence: Main Menu--Internet Connection--ftp--go to ftp--other site--then type in "www.wit.com:/music. Then scroll until you get to the letter "k" and click on it. You will then see a list of groups whose names start with the letter "k." Scroll through until you get to "kraftwerk," click on it, and you're in! I have a Mac, don't know if this works the same way on a PC, although i'd imagine it does. Also, if you have an older mac, it won't support the new Version 2.5 graphical interface, so I'm not sure how you'd get there on the older software; I know you can access the Internet by pulling down the "Go To" menu, going to "keyword," and typing in the keyword "internet," but I'm not sure where you go from there. By the way, this took me hours of trial and error at first, but it was worth it when the info started coming up on-screen! Also--you have to open up text in an appropriate word processing program, and you may have to increase the amount of memory you have alotted to the AOL program in order to open up some of the graphics (the latest version of AOL opens most of the graphics I've downloaded automatically). ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 19:12:59 -0500 Subject: Re: MIDI vs Kraftwerk Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com To add a little bit to the equipment list: on the cover of "Computerwelt/Computerworld" you can see a bank of Morley pedals at their feet (interestingly, some are placed in "backwards" fashion with respect to the band members' feet). I assume these are volume pedals. As some of you probably know, Morley pedals operate via the principle of optoelectronics--that is, the more the pedal is pressed down, the brighter their internal light shines, which is then picked up by an optical sensor. The brighter the light, the greater the volume. The advantage of this is that there is no mechanical potentiometer linkage to wear out. If any of you have worked with conventional volume (or wah-wah) pedals, you know that in a very short time the pots get dirty and make annoying scratching noises, necessitating frequent replacement. The Morley pedals eliminate this problem. Nothing but the best for Ralf and co.! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 19:21:15 -0500 Subject: Re: MIDI vs (Why vs??? :) ) Kraftwerk Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I have a modest home recording studio. No MIDI/computer linkup yet, but I plan to do so in a few months when I get the cash together. Anyone have any good advice regarding Mac-based software, and sound modules? At the moment I have an Oberheim OB-8, Alesis SR-16 drum machine, a couple of cheap Casios I use for sampling, a Farfisa organ, guitars, basses, stomp boxes, and a Teac 3340 4-track analog tape recorder. I enjoy recording all types of music, mostly for fun at this point. And yes, I have recorded a couple of Kraftwerk covers--who can resist? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 19:23:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Wanted : Reviews of The Mix Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I did a review of "The Mix" in a previous issue of The Absolute Sound. Also, I MAY have kept a copy done in "Goldmine." Give me an address and I'll be happy to send you a copy of what I wrote, or you can look it up in TAS issue 83/84 (double issue). ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #145 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #146 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 22 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 146 Re: How to access the good stuff? where i'm from ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 18:17:41 GMT-1:00 Subject: Re: How to access the good stuff? Really-From: Mattias Andersson > What you do is click on the following > "boxes" or icons in the following sequence: Main Menu--Internet > Connection--ftp--go to ftp--other site--then type in "www.wit.com:/music. Actually, the URL is: http://www.wit.com/mirrors/music ^^^^^^^ /M - -- ................................................................. | Mattias | Email: mason@etek.chalmers.se | | 'mason' | URL: http://www.etek.chalmers.se/~mason | | Andersson | Phone: Int+46 31-16 51 89 or Int+46 705-16 51 89 | ................................................................. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 23:53:00 -0500 Subject: where i'm from Really-From: john.krim@canrem.com (John Krim) Well the KW fans are not in Toronto. Some of their cassettes are selling for $2.99 at Sam the Record Man. Not even these prices can flush them out! ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #146 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #147 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 23 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 147 Re: MIDI vs Kraftwerk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 15:35:26 -0500 Subject: Re: MIDI vs Kraftwerk Really-From: Ageman@aol.com unsubscribe ageman@aol.com ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #147 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #148 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 24 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 148 bargain Kraftwerk RE: bargain Kraftwerk Re: bargain Kraftwerk Deutsche Version ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 09:03:21 CdT Subject: bargain Kraftwerk Really-From: andrewm >Well the KW fans are not in Toronto. Some of their cassettes are selling >for $2.99 at Sam the Record Man. Not even these prices can flush them >out! I've found this phenonemon in Chicago at a store called Reckless Records... In the used tape section, I came across several copies of Kraftwerk stuff, and picked up _Autobahn_ and _The Robots_ (was this released on CD? Not that it matters since I have the songs on there... and not to be confused for the single from _The Mix_ (found at the amazing low price of $1US! :)!!! ). I think I remember seeing _Radioactivity_ (not sure if it was the Cleopatra release) for amazingly low prices. Unfortunately, I didn't have enough cash to snap them all up, and so when I returned three weeks later (I hate living in the country), they were all gone. One other request: opinions on _Computer World_, the release that shows a PC on the cover. What's it like? Is it worth getting used (as in it's hard to find), or should I hunt around for a newer copy? Private email would be good (saint_andrew@anl.gov) to avoid a flood of opinions to the list would be fine... Thanks in advance, st. andrew "nous sommes les mannequins..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 16:38:00 PST Subject: RE: bargain Kraftwerk Really-From: GAZE Brian >>Well the KW fans are not in Toronto. Some of their cassettes are selling >>for $2.99 at Sam the Record Man. Not even these prices can flush them >>out! > I've found this phenonemon in Chicago at a store called Reckless > Records... In the used tape section, I came across several copies > at the amazing low price of $1US! :)!!! ). I think I remember seeing > _Radioactivity_ (not sure if it was the Cleopatra release) for > amazingly low prices. I'm glad that you guys are picking up K-Werk so cheap, I can assure you thats not the case in the UK. Picking up K-werks albums is not easy. The Mix is widely available but can cost upto L15, which is EXPENSIVE for the UK. Albums such as Radioactive, C World, TEE etc appear erratically, sometimes in import only format. K-werk1 and K-werk2 and Ralf & Florian are been sold on CD in some shops - but I guess they are bootlegs. My recommendation is to buy k-werk albums on vinyl second hand. Much of the vinyl is of EXTREMELY good quality (very thick and durable plastic), and is well packaged. Finding the albums from Autobahn to CW second hand is not particularly difficult. Incidentally, I picked up a copy of Autobahn on vinyl (I already had the album in standard packaging) which had a different cover to what I am used to. The cover displays the autobahn (motorway) symbol, in white on a blue background. The record label is Vertigo. I bought this for L1.50, from a 'junk' shop, the album is in extremely good condition. Why in later pressings was the packaging changed to the motorway picture - presumably it was something to do with record labels? Brian ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 18:23:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: bargain Kraftwerk Really-From: Ra On Mon, 23 Jan 1995, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > One other request: opinions on _Computer World_, the release that shows > a PC on the cover. What's it like? Is it worth getting used (as in it's > hard to find), or should I hunt around for a newer copy? Private > email would be good (saint_andrew@anl.gov) to avoid a flood of opinions > to the list would be fine... It's good. My KW favorites are the Mix and CW, because they have different versions of the same songs and are equally good. CW is not hard to find, and has just been released on CD - at least it just arrived up here in Calgary. /------------------------------------v------------------------------------\ | Soleil Lapierre | "I worked my way up from God of | | Internet: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | Static Cling." - Thor | | Fidonet: Soleil Lapierre, 1:134/40 | | \------------------------------------^------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 23:18:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Deutsche Version Really-From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman Well, my Blockbuster Music has Mensch Machine, Computerwelt, and The Mix, all in German, in their "we'll gouge ya if we can" import section, all on CD, natch. Since my vinyl copies are enough to satisfy my curiosity, I thought I'd offer to pick them up for anyone who feels that $27.99 is a good deal. Oh, you pay postage, of course. Of course, dubs of my vinyl are a lot cheaper. ;-) If you've got a Blockbuster in your area, I'm sure they can order if they don't have it already. Look into it when you're bored. +++Christopher Robin Zimmerman ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #148 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #149 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 25 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 149 R&F Poster Lyrics of Antenna ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 14:17:41 +0100 Subject: R&F Poster Really-From: John Mccall Richey I have scanned a few images from the R&F poster and would like to know how I can get people to see them. Perhaps the best would be to have them on the Autobahr home page. Any suggestions. JMR ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 19:10:57 +0200 Subject: Lyrics of Antenna Really-From: l23140@keynes.iseg.utl.pt Hi KWers: Could anyone send me the lyrics of "Antenna" and the translation of the German bit of the lyrics? Regards Bal ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #149 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #150 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 26 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 150 Message *bounced* Infobahr in UK press ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 02:49:10 +0100 Subject: Message *bounced* Really-From: O/T-Track+_v2.45@textlitho.nl ## ====================================================== ## Netmail teruggestuurd door O/T-Track+ v2.45 op 2:281/1 ## Reden : Adres van geadresseerde (2:281/702) niet bekend ## ## Fido: NETWORK.281 ## Virnet: NODELIST.020 ## PVT: <----------> ## ## Actie : Zoek een geldig adres van de geadresseerde. ## ====================================================== ## Berichtkop ## ---------- ## Van: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu , 2:281/202 ## Aan: michael, 2:281/702 ## Datum: Jan 25 95 ## Onderwerp: kraftwerk-digest V2 #148 ## ====================================================== @REPLYADDR kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu @MSGID: nextjk m0rWkZa-000Mxva @REPLYADDR kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 24 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 148 bargain Kraftwerk RE: bargain Kraftwerk Re: bargain Kraftwerk Deutsche Version - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 09:03:21 CdT Subject: bargain Kraftwerk Really-From: andrewm >Well the KW fans are not in Toronto. Some of their cassettes are selling >for $2.99 at Sam the Record Man. Not even these prices can flush them >out! I've found this phenonemon in Chicago at a store called Reckless Records... In the used tape section, I came across several copies of Kraftwerk stuff, and picked up _Autobahn_ and _The Robots_ (was this released on CD? Not that it matters since I have the songs on there... and not to be confused for the single from _The Mix_ (found at the amazing low price of $1US! :)!!! ). I think I remember seeing _Radioactivity_ (not sure if it was the Cleopatra release) for amazingly low prices. Unfortunately, I didn't have enough cash to snap them all up, and so when I returned three weeks later (I hate living in the country), they were all gone. One other request: opinions on _Computer World_, the release that shows a PC on the cover. What's it like? Is it worth getting used (as in it's hard to find), or should I hunt around for a newer copy? Private email would be good (saint_andrew@anl.gov) to avoid a flood of opinions to the list would be fine... Thanks in advance, st. andrew "nous sommes les mannequins..." - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 16:38:00 PST Subject: RE: bargain Kraftwerk Really-From: GAZE Brian >>Well the KW fans are not in Toronto. Some of their cassettes are selling >>for $2.99 at Sam the Record Man. Not even these prices can flush them >>out! > I've found this phenonemon in Chicago at a store called Reckless > Records... In the used tape section, I came across several copies > at the amazing low price of $1US! :)!!! ). I think I remember seeing > _Radioactivity_ (not sure if it was the Cleopatra release) for > amazingly low prices. I'm glad that you guys are picking up K-Werk so cheap, I can assure you thats not the case in the UK. Picking up K-werks albums is not easy. The Mix is widely available but can cost upto L15, which is EXPENSIVE for the UK. Albums such as Radioactive, C World, TEE etc appear erratically, sometimes in import only format. K-werk1 and K-werk2 and Ralf & Florian are been sold on CD in some shops - but I guess they are bootlegs. My recommendation is to buy k-werk albums on vinyl second hand. Much of the vinyl is of EXTREMELY good quality (very thick and durable plastic), and is well packaged. Finding the albums from Autobahn to CW second hand is not particularly difficult. Incidentally, I picked up a copy of Autobahn on vinyl (I already had the album in standard packaging) which had a different cover to what I am used to. The cover displays the autobahn (motorway) symbol, in white on a blue background. The record label is Vertigo. I bought this for L1.50, from a 'junk' shop, the album is in extremely good condition. Why in later pressings was the packaging changed to the motorway picture - presumably it was something to do with record labels? Brian - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 18:23:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: bargain Kraftwerk Really-From: Ra On Mon, 23 Jan 1995, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > One other request: opinions on _Computer World_, the release that shows > a PC on the cover. What's it like? Is it worth getting used (as in it's > hard to find), or should I hunt around for a newer copy? Private > email would be good (saint_andrew@anl.gov) to avoid a flood of opinions > to the list would be fine... It's good. My KW favorites are the Mix and CW, because they have different versions of the same songs and are equally good. CW is not hard to find, and has just been released on CD - at least it just arrived up here in Calgary. /------------------------------------v------------------------------------\ | Soleil Lapierre | "I worked my way up from God of | | Internet: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | Static Cling." - Thor | | Fidonet: Soleil Lapierre, 1:134/40 | | \------------------------------------^------------------------------------/ - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 23:18:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Deutsche Version Really-From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman Well, my Blockbuster Music has Mensch Machine, Computerwelt, and The Mix, all in German, in their "we'll gouge ya if we can" import section, all on CD, natch. Since my vinyl copies are enough to satisfy my curiosity, I thought I'd offer to pick them up for anyone who feels that $27.99 is a good deal. Oh, you pay postage, of course. Of course, dubs of my vinyl are a lot cheaper. ;-) If you've got a Blockbuster in your area, I'm sure they can order if they don't have it already. Look into it when you're bored. +++Christopher Robin Zimmerman - ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #148 ******************************* @Via 2:281/256 @19950124.231555 GEcho 1.01+ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 05:15:30 GMT Subject: Infobahr in UK press Really-From: kevinb@decision.demon.co.uk (Kevin Busby) Anders and readers of his WWW pages might be interested to hear that a screen shot of one of the "Infobahr" pages appears in an article about the Internet in the popular music technology magazine 'Future Music', February issue. It's a very small but clear shot, with the URL very legible. It's shown next to pages for The Shamen and Madonna. kevinb ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #150 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #151 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 27 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 151 Re: How to access the good stuff? Re: where i'm from Re: bargain Kraftwerk Re: where i'm from ANTENNA Who wrote "Franz Schubert"? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 15:11:38 -0500 Subject: Re: How to access the good stuff? Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I haven't tried that "mirrors" address. Hope I can figure out how to get into it more easily than the"www" address.... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 15:23:49 -0500 Subject: Re: where i'm from Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com At least there's one Kraftwerk fan in Toronto. Don't feel bad--I bought the "Robots" cassette in a local video store (Hauppauge NY) in the $1.99 bargain bin! Wonder if it would still be there now if I hadn't happened upon it.... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 15:28:58 -0500 Subject: Re: bargain Kraftwerk Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com "Computer World" may, in fact, be their best album. You must get it at once! It is simply, utterly unbelievable. It still sounds 20 years ahead of its time--and it was recorded in 1981! I guarantee you will be astonished. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 16:07:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: where i'm from Really-From: rscott@alpha.netusa.net (Ralph Scott) > > Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com > > At least there's one Kraftwerk fan in Toronto. Don't feel bad--I bought the > "Robots" cassette in a local video store (Hauppauge NY) in the $1.99 bargain > bin! Wonder if it would still be there now if I hadn't happened upon it.... > I know of at least 3 Kraftwerk fans in Hauppauge NY. Is this a world record or what? - ---ralph ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 00:57:45 +0100 (MET) Subject: ANTENNA Really-From: friends Hello there, Just found the message from 24-1-95. Did you get the lyrics yet? Otherwise I will try to translate it. Kees - -- ******************************************* You mean that's it? (KS) ******************************************* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 22:13:24 -0500 Subject: Who wrote "Franz Schubert"? Really-From: JFI333@aol.com Huetter is credited with writing "Franz Schubert." But I'm still curious... Is the song's melody based on any particular Schubert composition? If so, which work? Or did Huetter draw it up from scratch? (FS is my favorite '70's KW song.) Thank you, John ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #151 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #152 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 27 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 152 Introductions! Franz Schubert and TEE RCPT: Introductions! Re: Franz Schubert and TEE The Robots video Re: Franz Schubert and TEE Abzug TEE to FZ Re: Franz Schubert and TEE Re: Franz Schubert and TEE Re: Franz Schubert and TEE 'Save your Software' tape Re: Who wrote "Franz Schubert"? Re: Franz Schubert and TEE Re: ANTENNA Re: ANTENNA Re: Franz Schubert and TEE Re: Franz Schubert and TEE Re: Re: Franz Schubert and TEE Message *bounced* What's the "News?" Message *bounced* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:39:49 GMT Subject: Introductions! Really-From: "Florian" As a newbie on this list, I thought that I should introduce myself! I am Steven Way, from Devon in England, but I am studying in Lancashire for a history degree, and I should (fingers crossed!) graduate this year. I am a bit of a nut about Kraftwerk, but do not know much background information, so I thought that this is the place to be! Anyway my favourite tracks are: the 22 minute Autobahn Neon Lights Ohm Sweet Ohm and Radio Activity. Oh yes, How do you tell when Trans Europe Express turns into Franz Schubert? I only have a tape and therefore don't know when the track changes! Steven Way ********************************************************************** * From Steven Way no longer a sad tomato * * IT92SMW@CCS.EDGE-HILL-COLLEGE.AC.UK * * Edge Hill College, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England * ********************************************************************** "I have often thought that if there had been a good rap group around in those days I might have chosen a career in music instead of politics" Richard M. Nixon, quoted in the insert to Jello and Mojo's "Prairie Home Invasion", 1994 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 27 JAN 95 05:09:16 EST Subject: Franz Schubert and TEE Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA I've been quiet for a while so I thought its time to throw some thoughts and info at this forum. I'm impatient from still waiting for the supposed new and new-old material to be released by Kraftwerk. The song Franz Schubert is very simple, delicate and hypnotic. A repetitive sequence layered with two string machine or mellotron solos on the left speaker and a solid repetitive string/mellotron two note melody on the right make this minimalistic songs mixture of sounds exquisite. The main solo on the left speaker is limited two only a handfull of notes yet it is constantly changing throughout the piece. This solo melody is clearly a variant of the one used in Europa Endlos. I would suspect Ralph or Florian behind it. The style appears again on Schaufensterpuppen, at the end of the song Computer Love and liberally throughout ManMachine (notably Metropolis). Franz Schubert is particularly interesting because the volume of the solo seems to change constantly throughout the piece. Since this was recorded before significant velocity sensitive (touch sensitive) keyboards were produced. The volume was either manually modulated by hand or the intertwining of the two synths on the left channel create this effect. Clearly all of the 3 string sounds were played manually. I have yet to investigate if the solo was one complete take or required many punch-ins (recording sections at a time). It is quite a feat since it rarely repeats from start to end. I suspect that the song is either based on a Schubert piece or that Kraftwerk sampled a Schubert string passage on their mellotron. - A mellotron is a keyboard that has a magnetic tape associated with each key. When you hit the key that particular tape plays. The beauty of this device is that you can put any sound on the tapes and play it (as long as you have the patients to record and tune each tape as well as install ing it). The beginning to Strawberry Fields Forever is a mellotron. I am certain that the Kraftwerk trademark choral sound from Radioactivity is played on a mellotron or similar device. By the way, New Order sampled this sound from Radioactivity and used it on Blue Monday :) In my opinion, Trans Europa Express, Metal auf Metal and Abzug (what does this mean?) are the same song. The transportataion theme, length of the song and flow of musical passages throughout it are clearly influenced by Autobahn. This fact of Kraftwerk copying themselves is unusual, and for this song; I think it failed. The song is quite dark and monotonous. It does emulate a train ride quite well in the fact that it seems to take forever to get to the end. It is interesting in that the Metal on Metal segment sounds like real metal being played. Or they must have some extremly realistic synth patches. Likewise the train sounds at the end of Abzug are akin to the car sound at the beginning of Autobahn. They of course sampled and played a bicycle on Tour de France. Tubular tire busts and changing gears are the principal samples along with the breathing. For those who have not seen any KW videos, I thought that I would share my experiences: The Model this video is a mixture of soft ambient shots of them playing in a studio with interesting lights. They combined this with unusual passages of 1950's models wearing "futuristic" clothes. I think that the fashion parts are a tongue in cheek poke at the industry. I only saw the video 3 times in 1980 so I didn't know who played what or what they played. From my present knowledge I believe that Karl and Wolfgang played these cool drumpads with drumsticks attached to wires. This instument was clearly non commercial. The tapping of the metal stick to the metal drum surface completed a circuit thus triggering a sound. I believe Florian played the melody on a large polyphonic keyboard. I own a Yamaha CS-60 from that same time period that sounds alot like the Man Machine Albums sounds. I would love to know what he was playing. Seeing this video hooked me. I've not got all of their better CD's and have been creating my own music using synths since then. Tour de France this video is just historic footage of Tours from the 20's? to 50's? Telephone Call Incredable. B&W with lots of shots of the members. They are all dressed in black and very "cool" looking. The camera angles are tasteful. I don't remember seeing any instuments only the group posing individually with lots of phone dialing shots. I can only describe it as cool stylish and spy movie like in nature Sellafield Terrible shots of the group playing live at a Manchester show for Greenpeace. The camera shots are mostly from the front and don't show much detail of the equipment. You can't even see a keyboard! At this time the group is Ralph Florian and two unknowns. The angled rack of equipment behind the 4 members streaches 7m! It's funny because the songs sound identical to the Mix's songs. (I was looking for a DAT playing secretly behind them) What makes this video awful is that It focuses only on Ralph and more so on the two unknowns. It seems that anyone can join Kraftwerk (Where can I apply?) Also the layering of Greenpeace propaganda video on top of the group really stinks. In fact they even cut away from the songs before they end. "Atomic Milk" If you saw the video you'll hate this! There are only two songs on the tape Radioactivity, described above, and The Robots which is just the "robot dummies" on the stage. This song is clearly a CD or Dat playing. None of the racked gear is on. The raw footage for this concert must be arround somewhere.Also all four members are wearing black with silly ties that have blinking LEDs. I was so embarrased when my wife saw this. She hasn't stopped laughing at my favourite group. >>> Do the bootlegs of the live concerts in 91 and 92 sound identical <<< >>> to the Mix or does kraftwerk significantly change any of the songs <<< >>> or improvise like they used to do? <<< Musique Non Stop Very much ahead of it's time. The video is a mixture of digitized 3d models of the 4 members' heads. The group seemed to use the best available computer technology to make the eerie speaking and blinking models. The images change from wire frames to colored surfaces and vary in the surface smoothness. Again the movements are unnerving, especially the eyes. The detail is so evident that even eye colors differ amongst the group. A wire model of all four members performing with moving arms and tapping toes is also nice. Only recently have I seen better quality computer models. Trans Europa Express I haven't seen this but a friend has. He described it as quite boring. The group is filmed pleasently sitting in a train. Wow. I live in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. I know of 4 other Kraftwerk fans. I spoke many years ago with a friend who saw them play in New York. I also met a fellow who saw them in Belgium. Next time they play, let me know. I may make a trip to see them. Philip Pilgrim ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 10:51:28 GMT Subject: RCPT: Introductions! Really-From: "Florian" Confirmation of reading: your message - Date: 27 Jan 95 9:39 To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Introductions! Was read at 10:51, 27 Jan 95. ********************************************************************** * From Steven Way no longer a sad tomato * * IT92SMW@CCS.EDGE-HILL-COLLEGE.AC.UK * * Edge Hill College, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England * ********************************************************************** "I have often thought that if there had been a good rap group around in those days I might have chosen a career in music instead of politics" Richard M. Nixon, quoted in the insert to Jello and Mojo's "Prairie Home Invasion", 1994 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 12:55:50 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Franz Schubert and TEE Really-From: Tobias Benjamin Koehler > Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA > In my opinion, Trans Europa Express, Metal auf Metal and Abzug (what > does this mean?) are the same song. The transportataion theme, length Abzug is the thing on a pistol that you have to pull when you shoot. It could also come from "abziehen" which could mean leave, quit (but is not quite the word for it). (Why do Kraftwerk CDs have to be so expensive?) toby - -- _)\_ _..--'O"o\-. tobias benjamin koehler /e ,`--o'O o O' 0 o|.`o-._ <_, ; o 0 o" O "_.\ o( `-._o``--..___..-o') s_tbk@ira.uka.de --' `, o/,--''' _/O,'; ``-o..o___o--'' unci @ trails _,'o,'/ (,.'-' unci_narynin @ furrymuck (,.-'-' pic: felix lee unci @ sociopolitical ramifications ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 12:53 MET Subject: The Robots video Really-From: wilt@df.lth.se (Gustav Holmberg) Hi! Kraftwerk's videos are an interesting and slightly irritating subject: you can't buy them! To Philip Pilgrim's recent discussion of KW videos, I'd like to add The Model, shown the other day on the Swedish channel Z_TV. It's just great. Atrwork from The Manmachine blends with the guys at work in Kling Klang studio and the robots. Wolfgang drums on the minimalistic drumpads, Karl plays synth and Ralf and Florian just stands there, singing. Red shirts and ties with LED's. The guys moving like robots. Etc. Another good video not mentioned by Philip is Neon lights, showing the guys chatting and even laughing in a relaxed way (well, ...), with footage of neon lights blended in. Cheers Gustav ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 13:40:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Franz Schubert and TEE Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) >Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA > The Model > thus triggering a sound. I believe Florian played the melody on a large > polyphonic keyboard. I own a Yamaha CS-60 from that same time period > that sounds alot like the Man Machine Albums sounds. I would love > to know what he was playing. Seeing this video hooked me. I've not Hi. As far as I know there are 3 different versions of the Model video. One shows a mock-up, with everybody except Wolfgang Flur playing a Minimoog! One shows them with their 81 Tour setup und one was made in the studio. On these last two Ralf is playing a Polymoog and Florian a Prophet 5 built into his console. (mw) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 13:30:27 +0100 (MET) Subject: Abzug Really-From: friends Abzug means something like departure Kees - -- ******************************************* You mean that's it? (KS) ******************************************* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 13:39:08 +0100 (MET) Subject: TEE to FZ Really-From: friends > Oh yes, How do you tell when Trans Europe Express turns into Franz > Schubert? I only have a tape and therefore don't know when > the track changes! On my CD TEE is track 4 and METAL ON METAL is track 5. you can tell the change after appr.6:50 when the mellotron sound stops you get a lot of notes that go up. At the moment they go down again then you have the start of METAL ON METAL. That's the piece with the metal sounds ;-) This piece sounds for 6:44. After 'the trains stops' there's a small silence and Franz Schubert starts. Kees - -- ******************************************* You mean that's it? (KS) ******************************************* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 13:41:17 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Franz Schubert and TEE Really-From: s0160ras@sun10.vsz.bme.hu (Ez Erno) > > Really-From: Tobias Benjamin Koehler > > > Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA > > > In my opinion, Trans Europa Express, Metal auf Metal and Abzug (what > > does this mean?) are the same song. The transportataion theme, length > > Abzug is the thing on a pistol that you have to pull when you > shoot. It could also come from "abziehen" which could mean > leave, quit (but is not quite the word for it). Can anybody translate the lyrics of song Dentaku? > > (Why do Kraftwerk CDs have to be so expensive?) You have to pay for quality! > ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 14:41:40 -0500 (MET) Subject: Re: Franz Schubert and TEE Really-From: Tobias Benjamin Koehler > Really-From: s0160ras@sun10.vsz.bme.hu (Ez Erno) > Can anybody translate the lyrics of song Dentaku? I don't know that song.. give me the original lyrics and I try to translate them toby - -- _)\_ _..--'O"o\-. tobias benjamin koehler /e ,`--o'O o O' 0 o|.`o-._ <_, ; o 0 o" O "_.\ o( `-._o``--..___..-o') s_tbk@ira.uka.de --' `, o/,--''' _/O,'; ``-o..o___o--'' unci @ trails _,'o,'/ (,.'-' unci_narynin @ furrymuck (,.-'-' pic: felix lee unci @ sociopolitical ramifications ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 15:37:48 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Franz Schubert and TEE Really-From: s0160ras@sun10.vsz.bme.hu (Ez Erno) > > Really-From: Tobias Benjamin Koehler > > > Really-From: s0160ras@sun10.vsz.bme.hu (Ez Erno) > > > Can anybody translate the lyrics of song Dentaku? > > I don't know that song.. give me the original lyrics and I try > to translate them > It's on the Mix after Pocket Calculator (if i right). And lyrics is Bokuwa ongakuka, dentaku katateni Bokuwa ongakuka, dentaku katateni Tashitari, hiitari Sousashite, sakkyoku suru Kono botan oseba, ongaku kanaderu kono botan oseba, ongaku kanaderu ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 15:59:14 MET+100 Subject: 'Save your Software' tape Really-From: "ZAEPKE.KLAUS" Hello, For quite a while there's a tape in circulation which is rumoured to be a Kraftwerk demo. Other sources claim that it is a sideline project by Florian Schneider. The tape contains three tracks and is called 'Save your Software'. I must say that I've some problems to believe that it's really a Kraftwerk product. Is anybody able to verify or falsify the rumour? Thank you, Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 15:58:52 MET+100 Subject: Re: Who wrote "Franz Schubert"? Really-From: "ZAEPKE.KLAUS" > Huetter is credited with writing "Franz Schubert." But I'm still > curious... > Is the song's melody based on any particular Schubert composition? If so, > which work? Or did Huetter draw it up from scratch? I don't think that "Franz Schubert" contains any material from Franz Schubert. But the theme is obviously the same as the "Europe Endless" theme. An explanation of the track was given in the article "Franz Schubert meets the machine spirit" (Hot Press 8/1981). Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 00:53:01 +0900 Subject: Re: Franz Schubert and TEE Really-From: Muneharu YOKOYAMA > Really-From: s0160ras@sun10.vsz.bme.hu (Ez Erno) > Can anybody translate the lyrics of song Dentaku? The lyrics are almost literal translations of "Taschenrechner"... "I'm the musician with a pocket calculator in the hand." "I'm the musician with a pocket calculator in the hand." "I am adding, and subtracting." "I am controlling, and composing." "By pressing down this button, it plays music." "By pressing down this button, it plays music." - -- Muneharu YOKOYAMA hal@tkynt2.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 20:12:06 +0200 Subject: Re: ANTENNA Really-From: l23140@keynes.iseg.utl.pt ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 20:12:54 +0200 Subject: Re: ANTENNA Really-From: l23140@keynes.iseg.utl.pt Hello: Anders Wilhelm send me the lyrics, but I could use the translation. BTW if someone has the lyrics of "Uranium" and "The Voice Of Energy" I'd appreciate if you could e-mail them to me. The same as usual Bal. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 15:01:26 -0600 Subject: Re: Franz Schubert and TEE Really-From: Gregor B Rochow >In my opinion, Trans Europa Express, Metal auf Metal and Abzug (what > does this mean?) are the same song. The transportataion theme, length Abzug really means a small chimney, or rather a fan-with-outlet above a kitchen stove. But, her it is a bit of a play on words. Zug means Train, and the prefix "ab" usually brings an "away" meaning to a word (e.g fahren=to drive, abfahren= to drive away). This way, Abzug in the TEE context is, I think just supposed to mean the action (noun-ized, like Abfahrt meaning the action of driving away) of going away by train, or a train going away, or, in this case, the train song going away. Anyway, I think the feeling of a train ride is emulated quite well, especially the end always makes me think of being in the Cologne or D|sseldorf Main Train Station. - -gbr > of the song and flow of musical passages throughout it are clearly > i ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 15:05:10 -0600 Subject: Re: Franz Schubert and TEE Really-From: Gregor B Rochow Is there any place in the US to get the videos? (I'm interested in most everything, but not the Greenpeace shit.) - -gbr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 15:06:52 -0600 Subject: Re: Re: Franz Schubert and TEE Really-From: Gregor B Rochow Yeah, I just now saw Tobias' posting. Abzug also means trigger. - -gbr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 01:23:53 +0100 Subject: Message *bounced* Really-From: O/T-Track+_v2.45@textlitho.nl ## ====================================================== ## Netmail teruggestuurd door O/T-Track+ v2.45 op 2:281/1 ## Reden : Adres van geadresseerde (2:281/702) niet bekend ## ## Fido: NETWORK.281 ## Virnet: NODELIST.020 ## PVT: <----------> ## ## Actie : Zoek een geldig adres van de geadresseerde. ## ====================================================== ## Berichtkop ## ---------- ## Van: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu , 2:281/202 ## Aan: michael, 2:281/702 ## Datum: Jan 26 95 ## Onderwerp: kraftwerk-digest V2 #149 ## ====================================================== @REPLYADDR kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu @MSGID: nextjk m0rX6x3-000My3a @REPLYADDR kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 25 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 149 R&F Poster Lyrics of Antenna - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 14:17:41 +0100 Subject: R&F Poster Really-From: John Mccall Richey I have scanned a few images from the R&F poster and would like to know how I can get people to see them. Perhaps the best would be to have them on the Autobahr home page. Any suggestions. JMR - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 19:10:57 +0200 Subject: Lyrics of Antenna Really-From: l23140@keynes.iseg.utl.pt Hi KWers: Could anyone send me the lyrics of "Antenna" and the translation of the German bit of the lyrics? Regards Bal - ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #149 ******************************* @Via 2:281/256 @19950125.222858 GEcho 1.01+ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 21:06:22 -0500 Subject: What's the "News?" Really-From: JFI333@aol.com What are the announcers talking about on "News" (cf. Radio-Activity, track 6)? Are all of the newscasts in German? It sounds to me like one of them might be in French. Do they appear to be fragments from actual newscasts or can the voices of KW members' be identified? Thank you, John-Akron, Ohio ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 21:21:59 +0100 Subject: Message *bounced* Really-From: O/T-Track+_v2.45@textlitho.nl ## ====================================================== ## Netmail teruggestuurd door O/T-Track+ v2.45 op 2:281/1 ## Reden : Adres van geadresseerde (2:281/702) niet bekend ## ## Fido: NETWORK.281 ## Virnet: NODELIST.020 ## PVT: <----------> ## ## Actie : Zoek een geldig adres van de geadresseerde. ## ====================================================== ## Berichtkop ## ---------- ## Van: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu , 2:281/202 ## Aan: michael, 2:281/702 ## Datum: Jan 27 95 ## Onderwerp: kraftwerk-digest V2 #150 ## ====================================================== @REPLYADDR kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu @MSGID: nextjk m0rXTRM-000My6a @REPLYADDR kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 26 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 150 Message *bounced* Infobahr in UK press - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 02:49:10 +0100 Subject: Message *bounced* Really-From: O/T-Track+_v2.45@textlitho.nl ## ====================================================== ## Netmail teruggestuurd door O/T-Track+ v2.45 op 2:281/1 ## Reden : Adres van geadresseerde (2:281/702) niet bekend ## ## Fido: NETWORK.281 ## Virnet: NODELIST.020 ## PVT: <----------> ## ## Actie : Zoek een geldig adres van de geadresseerde. ## ====================================================== ## Berichtkop ## ---------- ## Van: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu , 2:281/202 ## Aan: michael, 2:281/702 ## Datum: Jan 25 95 ## Onderwerp: kraftwerk-digest V2 #148 ## ====================================================== @REPLYADDR kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu @MSGID: nextjk m0rWkZa-000Mxva @REPLYADDR kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 24 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 148 bargain Kraftwerk RE: bargain Kraftwerk Re: bargain Kraftwerk Deutsche Version - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 09:03:21 CdT Subject: bargain Kraftwerk Really-From: andrewm >Well the KW fans are not in Toronto. Some of their cassettes are selling >for $2.99 at Sam the Record Man. Not even these prices can flush them >out! I've found this phenonemon in Chicago at a store called Reckless Records... In the used tape section, I came across several copies of Kraftwerk stuff, and picked up _Autobahn_ and _The Robots_ (was this released on CD? Not that it matters since I have the songs on there... and not to be confused for the single from _The Mix_ (found at the amazing low price of $1US! :)!!! ). I think I remember seeing _Radioactivity_ (not sure if it was the Cleopatra release) for amazingly low prices. Unfortunately, I didn't have enough cash to snap them all up, and so when I returned three weeks later (I hate living in the country), they were all gone. One other request: opinions on _Computer World_, the release that shows a PC on the cover. What's it like? Is it worth getting used (as in it's hard to find), or should I hunt around for a newer copy? Private email would be good (saint_andrew@anl.gov) to avoid a flood of opinions to the list would be fine... Thanks in advance, st. andrew "nous sommes les mannequins..." - - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 16:38:00 PST Subject: RE: bargain Kraftwerk Really-From: GAZE Brian >>Well the KW fans are not in Toronto. Some of their cassettes are selling >>for $2.99 at Sam the Record Man. Not even these prices can flush them >>out! > I've found this phenonemon in Chicago at a store called Reckless > Records... In the used tape section, I came across several copies > at the amazing low price of $1US! :)!!! ). I think I remember seeing > _Radioactivity_ (not sure if it was the Cleopatra release) for > amazingly low prices. I'm glad that you guys are picking up K-Werk so cheap, I can assure you thats not the case in the UK. Picking up K-werks albums is not easy. The Mix is widely available but can cost upto L15, which is EXPENSIVE for the UK. Albums such as Radioactive, C World, TEE etc appear erratically, sometimes in import only format. K-werk1 and K-werk2 and Ralf & Florian are been sold on CD in some shops - but I guess they are bootlegs. My recommendation is to buy k-werk albums on vinyl second hand. Much of the vinyl is of EXTREMELY good quality (very thick and durable plastic), and is well packaged. Finding the albums from Autobahn to CW second hand is not particularly difficult. Incidentally, I picked up a copy of Autobahn on vinyl (I already had the album in standard packaging) which had a different cover to what I am used to. The cover displays the autobahn (motorway) symbol, in white on a blue background. The record label is Vertigo. I bought this for L1.50, from a 'junk' shop, the album is in extremely good condition. Why in later pressings was the packaging changed to the motorway picture - presumably it was something to do with record labels? Brian - - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 18:23:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: bargain Kraftwerk Really-From: Ra On Mon, 23 Jan 1995, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > One other request: opinions on _Computer World_, the release that shows > a PC on the cover. What's it like? Is it worth getting used (as in it's > hard to find), or should I hunt around for a newer copy? Private > email would be good (saint_andrew@anl.gov) to avoid a flood of opinions > to the list would be fine... It's good. My KW favorites are the Mix and CW, because they have different versions of the same songs and are equally good. CW is not hard to find, and has just been released on CD - at least it just arrived up here in Calgary. /------------------------------------v------------------------------------\ | Soleil Lapierre | "I worked my way up from God of | | Internet: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | Static Cling." - Thor | | Fidonet: Soleil Lapierre, 1:134/40 | | \------------------------------------^------------------------------------/ - - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 23:18:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Deutsche Version Really-From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman Well, my Blockbuster Music has Mensch Machine, Computerwelt, and The Mix, all in German, in their "we'll gouge ya if we can" import section, all on CD, natch. Since my vinyl copies are enough to satisfy my curiosity, I thought I'd offer to pick them up for anyone who feels that $27.99 is a good deal. Oh, you pay postage, of course. Of course, dubs of my vinyl are a lot cheaper. ;-) If you've got a Blockbuster in your area, I'm sure they can order if they don't have it already. Look into it when you're bored. +++Christopher Robin Zimmerman - - ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #148 ******************************* @Via 2:281/256 @19950124.231555 GEcho 1.01+ - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 05:15:30 GMT Subject: Infobahr in UK press Really-From: kevinb@decision.demon.co.uk (Kevin Busby) Anders and readers of his WWW pages might be interested to hear that a screen shot of one of the "Infobahr" pages appears in an article about the Internet in the popular music technology magazine 'Future Music', February issue. It's a very small but clear shot, with the URL very legible. It's shown next to pages for The Shamen and Madonna. kevinb - ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #150 ******************************* @Via 2:281/256 @19950127.095417 GEcho 1.01+ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #152 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #153 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 29 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 153 Message *bounced* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 01:25:25 +0100 Subject: Message *bounced* Really-From: O/T-Track+_v2.45@textlitho.nl ## ====================================================== ## Netmail teruggestuurd door O/T-Track+ v2.45 op 2:281/1 ## Reden : Adres van geadresseerde (2:281/702) niet bekend ## ## Fido: NETWORK.281 ## Virnet: NODELIST.020 ## PVT: <----------> ## ## Actie : Zoek een geldig adres van de geadresseerde. ## ====================================================== ## Berichtkop ## ---------- ## Van: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu , 2:281/202 ## Aan: michael, 2:281/702 ## Datum: Jan 28 95 ## Onderwerp: kraftwerk-digest V2 #151 ## ====================================================== @REPLYADDR kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu @MSGID: nextjk m0rXprP-000MyCa @REPLYADDR kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu kraftwerk-digest Friday, 27 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 151 Re: How to access the good stuff? Re: where i'm from Re: bargain Kraftwerk Re: where i'm from ANTENNA Who wrote "Franz Schubert"? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 15:11:38 -0500 Subject: Re: How to access the good stuff? Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I haven't tried that "mirrors" address. Hope I can figure out how to get into it more easily than the"www" address.... - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 15:23:49 -0500 Subject: Re: where i'm from Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com At least there's one Kraftwerk fan in Toronto. Don't feel bad--I bought the "Robots" cassette in a local video store (Hauppauge NY) in the $1.99 bargain bin! Wonder if it would still be there now if I hadn't happened upon it.... - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 15:28:58 -0500 Subject: Re: bargain Kraftwerk Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com "Computer World" may, in fact, be their best album. You must get it at once! It is simply, utterly unbelievable. It still sounds 20 years ahead of its time--and it was recorded in 1981! I guarantee you will be astonished. - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 16:07:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: where i'm from Really-From: rscott@alpha.netusa.net (Ralph Scott) > > Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com > > At least there's one Kraftwerk fan in Toronto. Don't feel bad--I bought the > "Robots" cassette in a local video store (Hauppauge NY) in the $1.99 bargain > bin! Wonder if it would still be there now if I hadn't happened upon it.... > I know of at least 3 Kraftwerk fans in Hauppauge NY. Is this a world record or what? - - ---ralph - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 00:57:45 +0100 (MET) Subject: ANTENNA Really-From: friends Hello there, Just found the message from 24-1-95. Did you get the lyrics yet? Otherwise I will try to translate it. Kees - - -- ******************************************* You mean that's it? (KS) ******************************************* - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 22:13:24 -0500 Subject: Who wrote "Franz Schubert"? Really-From: JFI333@aol.com Huetter is credited with writing "Franz Schubert." But I'm still curious... Is the song's melody based on any particular Schubert composition? If so, which work? Or did Huetter draw it up from scratch? (FS is my favorite '70's KW song.) Thank you, John - ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #151 ******************************* @Via 2:281/256 @19950127.225122 GEcho 1.01+ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #153 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #154 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 30 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 154 Toronto Kraftwerk "ZAEPKE.KLAUS" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 28 Jan 95 19:34:00 -0500 Subject: Toronto Kraftwerk Really-From: Edy.Braun@p25.axaxa.tor250.org (Edy Braun) 250/664 K> At least there's one Kraftwerk fan in Toronto. Don't feel bad--I bought the K> "Robots" cassette in a local video store (Hauppauge NY) in the $1.99 bargain K> bin! Wonder if it would still be there now if I hadn't happened upon it.... I'm in Toronto and I'm also a Kraftwerk fan, so I guess that would make TWO of us :-). Where did the other Toronto fan pick up the Kraftwerk tapes? I've been looking for them all over the place but none of the stores I go to have Kraftwerk stuff... and when I finally find something there are no tapes/records! - --- cPoint v2.15/FreeWare - -- | Fidonet: Edy Braun 1:250/664.25 | Internet: Edy.Braun@p25.axaxa.tor250.org | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 14:36:11 +0100 Subject: "ZAEPKE.KLAUS" Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) >The tape contains three tracks and is called 'Save your Software'. I >must say that I've some problems to believe that it's really a >Kraftwerk product. Hallo! Bist Du zufaellig im Besitz dieses Tapes? Wenn ja, waerst Du evtl. bereit mir davon eine Kopie zukommen zu lassen, als Tauschobjekt haette ich eine Videokasette mit ca. 3 Stunden Zusammenschnitt von KW Video + Interviews + Live-Auftritten anzubieten oder aber auch Cash. Danke. (mw) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #154 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #155 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 31 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 155 [none] Florian Schneider interview Newton's Apple ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 13:16 EST Subject: [none] Really-From: dvrt@passport.ca (Dave Rout) Are there any kraftwerk fans here in Toronto... I'd like to talk bootlegs, videos, side projects etc, but can't seem to find any collectors or fans... thanks, dave. " i'm the operator of my pocket calculator " ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:19:50 +0100 (NFT) Subject: Florian Schneider interview Really-From: I have sampled an interview with Florian Schneider, and have put it in the infobahr. I've also sampled Die Dominas - Ich bin ein Domina. - -Share and enjoy! /anders - -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 01:53:57 EST Subject: Newton's Apple Really-From: HVLE20A@prodigy.com (MR VICTOR URENO) Someone told me that the theme song to PBS's Newton's Apple is a Kraftwerk classic. Could someone please tell me the title of it, and which album it is on if possible. It must be pre-Autobahn, no? Ciao! Victor ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #155 *******************************