From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #425 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 1 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 425 Hello Re: Hello ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 00:26:19 -0800 Subject: Hello Really-From: Claus Giloi I just joined this mailing list, hope I'm not making too big a mistake by sending mail without waiting for existing traffic, but I just thought I'd introduce myself. I'm German by birth and nationality, though a longtime US resident. Though I remember Kraftwerk from the 1970's (mainly the song Autobahn), it wasn't until about five years ago when a manager here suggested that the winner of some kind of morale contest with a German theme receive a Kraftwerk CD, that I was reminded of the name and decided to perhaps buy something to listen to at the office. Looking through the selection of CDs at a local store, I ended up buying "The Mix" (partly because it contained the Autobahn track which I remembered), and from the first filter sweep of "The Robots", I was really blown away. I have never been particularly passionate about recorded music, but here was the music I would make if I only had the talent and the ability. I understand that opinions about "The Mix" here are varied, but I have never been able to reproduce the exitement of discovering the sound on that album, though I bought most other Kraftwerk CDs I could find since then. Nor have I ever found anyone to share my enthusiasm for this music (other than my 4 year old daughter). Perhaps someone on this list can answer a question or two for me. Firstly, I remember sometime (around 1977 or so), a neighbor kid played an album of synthesizer music for me the tracks of which were each titled after, and in some way reflecting the nature of, various organs of the body. I only remember "the heart", as it had a distinctly hearbeat-like rythm. Was this the work of Kraftwerk? None of the titles of the discography I've seen on the web indicate it. My second question relates to other German music of the late 70's, very early 80s. There was a brief period when worldwide interest in music of the "Neue Deutsche Welle" elevated German popular music to widespread popularity. I fondly remember a song I assume is titled "Eisbaer", I think by the group "Ideal", which I've been trying to find for years. Any clues would be appreciated. The first few lines (I believe) are: Ich moechte ein Eisbaer sein Im kalten Polar Dann muesste Ich nie mehr schrein Alles waer so klar Thanks for putting up with the long rambling post, Claus ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 13:30:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Hello Really-From: ThAlby@aol.com Hi! I'm not sure about your first question but I can definitely answer your second: The song "Eisbaer" is from "GRAUZONE", it was released on a small label called OFF COURSE GmbH in Zuerich. The song is available on every NDW-Sampler (I really can't hear this song anymore). If you don't have the chance to get it I could send you it as a file. Robotically Yours, Thomas ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #425 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #426 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 2 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 426 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #425 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 23:42:17 +0100 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #425 Really-From: patrick.huwel@ping.be (patrick huwel) >Perhaps someone on this list can answer a question or two for me. Firstly, I >remember sometime (around 1977 or so), a neighbor kid played an album of >synthesizer music for me the tracks of which were each titled after, and in >some way reflecting the nature of, various organs of the body. I only >remember "the heart", as it had a distinctly hearbeat-like rythm. Was this >the work of Kraftwerk? None of the titles of the discography I've seen on >the web indicate it. Hi there, In answer to your first question I had to dig into my record pile . It's called trip into the body and played by johan timman published by fleet benelux in 1981 and marketed by ariola the number is fleet 203.911 and the tape is fleet 403.911 it has 10 songs with the next titles trip into the body,the brain,the heart,the blood,the white bloodcells and the antibodies,the windpipe, the longs, the hemoglobine, inside the tympanic cavity and hearing. hope to have helped you with this one greetings. Take the day as it comes but beware. Greetings from belgium and do visit my HOMEPAGE its at http://www.ping.be/~ping2831 (It's updated again) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #426 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #427 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 4 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 427 New Kraft album Re: New Kraft album ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:06:43 GMT Subject: New Kraft album Really-From: Manoel dos Santos Dantas HI... First of all let introduce myself My name is Manoel Dantas. I'm from Brasil and I'm keen on kraft since I've 18 old. I'm collecting kraft things from a long time ( and lot of other things like beatles, and so on, but it is not the case now ! ). A friend of mine here in spain, I'm working now in Barcelona, who is the kraft's fan club organizer, said that this year ( I expect it ) that a new kraft album mwill be released finally. He said that will be a totally different and surprinsigly work since Electric Cafe. Who knows something about this important NEW thing ? Ah, about johan timman. I got this album. It was issued by ariola Eurodisk, but i'm not sure that a CD release is also available. On the inner jacket you can find and address and you can contact it. Did you tried the Yahoo web ? Kraftly yours, Manoel Dantas ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 14:31:35 GMT-3:00 Subject: Re: New Kraft album Really-From: Eduardo Marcel Macan Manoel wrote: > kraft's fan club organizer, said that this year ( I expect it ) that a new > kraft album mwill be released finally. He said that will be a totally > different and surprinsigly work since Electric Cafe. > Who knows something about this important NEW thing ? I know they were going to release it in 93, 94... summer 95, winter 95, early in 96 ... :) I am still waiting, though. Cheers from another KW fan from Brazil. > Manoel Dantas Eduardo. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eduardo Marcel Macan Computer Engineering - 1992 macan@cesar.unicamp.br State UNIversity of CAMPinas , Brazil << umop apisdn w,I >> http://www.unicamp.br/~macan - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #427 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #428 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 5 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 428 Re: Hello ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:01:49 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Hello Really-From: dcakl006@nlmodnet1.mod.nl (ir D. Barth) > Perhaps someone on this list can answer a question or two for me. Firstly, I > remember sometime (around 1977 or so), a neighbor kid played an album of > synthesizer music for me the tracks of which were each titled after, and in > some way reflecting the nature of, various organs of the body. I only > remember "the heart", as it had a distinctly hearbeat-like rythm. Was this > the work of Kraftwerk? None of the titles of the discography I've seen on > the web indicate it. In my memory I found the name Johan Timman or somenthing like that and the name of the album was "Trip into the body" for sure. The artist is a Dutch artist from whom I've never heard anything else. > > Claus > > > Erik barth@dcakl.army.mod.nl ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #428 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #429 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 6 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 429 What would you suggest? Re: Trip into the body (was: Hello) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:33:34 +0100 (MET) Subject: What would you suggest? Really-From: Lars Nellemann Hello Everybody Well, since no new Kraftwerk album have emerged within a lot of years, and might never be published, one have to turn his ears to other artists. If you imagine that Kraftwerk were to release new material tomorrow, how would that sound - is there any other artists around today that makes music that would match that criteria? I personally would suggest the Autechre album called "Amber" - I'm not familiar with Autechre's other albums, but Amber sounds like Kraftwerk anno 1996 - in my opinion. Do you, dear fellow kraftwerkians, have any other suggestion to music to recommend?? Lars - -- ******************************************************************** * Lars Nellemann * I'm confused - Like a thirsty * * nelleman@biobase.dk * baby in a topless bar ! * * National Hospital of Denmark * ******************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 13:35:47 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Trip into the body (was: Hello) Really-From: Hillebrand Boorsma You wrote: > > > Perhaps someone on this list can answer a question or two for me. Firstly, I > > remember sometime (around 1977 or so), a neighbor kid played an album of > > synthesizer music for me the tracks of which were each titled after, and in > > some way reflecting the nature of, various organs of the body. > the name of the album was "Trip into the body" for sure. The artist > is a Dutch artist from whom I've never heard anything else. Johan Timman, That's right. I own the album, so if you want details, reply, I'll look it up for you. _______________________________________________________________________________ Hillebrand Boorsma=Boorsma@duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl=+31 152785331 +31 152615553 StarTrek fans in a SM cafe: "Beat me up, Scotty" ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #429 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #430 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 7 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 430 Johan Timan Re: Hello ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 04:44:17 -0500 Subject: Johan Timan Really-From: NDKent@aol.com I don't know anything about the guy, but Mario Schonwalder, who records and sells electronic CDs, stocks TRIP INTO THE BODY for DM29 +postage (DM15 overseas, DM8 Europe, DM3 Germany). He is at Postbox 450274, D-12172 Berlin. He only takes German currency and also stocks most of Klaus Schulze's post-Virgin Records material. Something I have heard and want to mention to Kraftwerk fans is the 2 1990s releases by the Japanese band P-Model. They are an album called P-MODEL and the next album called BIG BODY (has a bit of a "Journey Through Your Body" theme to it.) This is amazing robotic stuff with rock solid song structure. Susumu Hirasawa, who leads the group also did a superb solo album this year called *SIM CITY* on a cyber-Thailand theme. They are on Japanese Polydor and I have no idea who sells them, but are easy to find in Japan. They have done about 10 albums since 1979 (Hirasawa did 5+) and deserve more mention outside of Japan. The songs are mostly in Japanese. with some English thrown in. Nsetn.... Oirao Ivook Nicholas D. Kent ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:04:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Hello Really-From: vanluyke@innet.be (Van Luyken Consultants Belgium) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Claus Giloi > >>My second question relates to other German music of the late 70's, very >early 80s. There was a brief period when worldwide interest in music of the >"Neue Deutsche Welle" elevated German popular music to widespread >popularity. I fondly remember a song I assume is titled "Eisbaer", I think >by the group "Ideal", which I've been trying to find for years. Any clues >would be appreciated. The first few lines (I believe) are: > >Ich moechte ein Eisbaer sein >Im kalten Polar >Dann muesste Ich nie mehr schrein >Alles waer so klar > Hello Claus, I am from Brussels, Belgium. The band you are looking for is GRAUZONE and its European hit "Eisbar". Actually, I think this band are not German but a German speaking Swiss Band (I know, small difference !) In Europe, this song appears on several compilation and quiet easy to find. There is a double CD relaesed in Germany called "Neue Deutsche Welle", there is also a Belgian compilation called "New Wave" where this song appears. Try maybe through CD Europe on the NET. I hope this is be useful for you. Emmanuel. Emmanuel Goedseels vanluyke@innet.be ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #430 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #431 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 8 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 431 Trancewerk Express Vol. I Re: What would you suggest? Re: What would you suggest? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:46:20 -0500 Subject: Trancewerk Express Vol. I Really-From: BillTort@aol.com Someone mentioned a while back about a new release titled "Trancewerk Express Vol. I." It does exist and is subtitled "A Tribute to Kraftwerk" (Cleo 9605-2). I bought it recently at the Warehouse in Riverside, California. It consist of 10 covers of KW works from the mid-70's. The intro in the booklet, written by a Dave Thompson, states: "For the bands who have joined together on this album, Trancewerk Express is a long-awaited opportunity to say 'thank you' to their spiritual fathers." It's a collection of mediocre recordings that are pretty standard techno fare - - heavy on the sequencers, emphasizing loud driving, repitive rhythm at the expense of melody. Each one is clearly definable as being a cover of the named KW song, but the similarity to KW stops there. The cd is fine Techno (e.g., it's great for house cleaning or for energetic background music), it's just not KW. Case in point: my 6 and 8 year-old son and daughter love to dance to KW, but they usually ask me turn off this one. I think the greatest tribute this recording pays to KW is by demonstrating that KW is the unchallenged master at the type of music that inspired the Techno genre. The track listing follows: 1. Intro 2. Music Non Stop - Exis 01 3. The Robots - Teler's 4. Homecomputer - Audio Science 5. Metropolis - Reverser Pulse Envelope 6. Elektric Cafe - Purttiv J. 7. Computerworld - Meedom & Wind 8. Radioactivity - Ultravision 9. Trans Europe Express - Audio Science 10. Autobahn - Kirk 11. The Model - Ikon ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 20:19:50 -0800 Subject: Re: What would you suggest? Really-From: Luther Welsh Just the other day Lars Nellemann said: >Well, since no new Kraftwerk album have emerged within a lot of years, and >might never be published, one have to turn his ears to other artists. I agree. >Do you, dear fellow kraftwerkians, have any other suggestion to music to >recommend?? I've listened to Kraftwerk since the 70's. I recommend Orbital. Visit their homepage and download a sample or two. Some of my favorite cuts are "The Mobius", "Desert Storm", and "Satan". Visit Oliver Penney's page to learn about the Oribal maillist. Oribital's UK Home Page http://www.rise.co.uk/orbital/ Official Home Page Mirror in California http://hyperreal.com/music/artists/orbital/ Oliver Penney's Orbital Page http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d3g2w4/orbital.html +-------------------+ .-. .- -.. .. --- .- -.-. - .. ...- .. - -.-- + | Luke Welsh | "Ich bin Ihr Diener und Ihr Herr zugleich" | | luke@scruznet.com | <"I am both your servant and your master"> | | luke@svpal.org | Kraftwerk, The Voice Of Energy | +-------------------+... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ...+ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 05:48:57 +0100 Subject: Re: What would you suggest? Really-From: Paulo Mouat >Well, since no new Kraftwerk album have emerged within a lot of years, and >might never be published, one have to turn his ears to other artists. > >Do you, dear fellow kraftwerkians, have any other suggestion to music to >recommend?? You might try Front 242 or Front Line Assembly. Maybe Manufacture also. Front 242 and FLA are well away from the Trance/Underground sound so vulgar now, which I guess has some advantages. ********************************** Paulo Mouat - mouat@telepac.pt Theoretical Physics Dept, FCUL ********************************** ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #431 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #432 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 9 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 432 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #410 Electronic Sounds on the Web... Re: What would you suggest? Re: What would you suggest? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:46:59 +0000 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #410 Really-From: DHOLTON@derwent.co.uk I haven't had any digests for days!! What's happening??? Dave H ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:08:56 +0100 Subject: Electronic Sounds on the Web... Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) Hi all, for those interested, I've put up a page with some samples of analogue synthesizers, percussion and a vocoder: http://www.muc.de/~majortom/analogue/amusic.htm ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:05:24 GT-003 Subject: Re: What would you suggest? Really-From: "Hermann Henning Rauth" > >Well, since no new Kraftwerk album have emerged within a lot of years, and > >might never be published, one have to turn his ears to other artists. > > > >Do you, dear fellow kraftwerkians, have any other suggestion to music to > >recommend?? > You might try Front 242 or Front Line Assembly. Maybe Manufacture also. > Front 242 and FLA are well away from the Trance/Underground sound so vulgar now, > which I guess has some advantages. Yeah! Nice shot, man! Here's is mine: - - KMFDM (the last one is kinda cheesy) - - Nine Inch Nails (this is a flame-proof mail, I must warn you) Or if you want to stick with the Kraftwerkian style try some of Kraftwerk clones that pop up every now and then all around the world (maybe someone in the list can name some of them...) I hope this can help you... (or at least start some flaming...) Hermann________Henning_________Rauth _______________L_I_F_O______________ Space_Cyber_Agressive_Machine_Groove _______________B_A_N_D______________ ________hermann@ccet.pucpr.br_______ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:14:08 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: What would you suggest? Really-From: Tomas Gerhat On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Paulo Mouat > > >Well, since no new Kraftwerk album have emerged within a lot of years, and > >might never be published, one have to turn his ears to other artists. > >Do you, dear fellow kraftwerkians, have any other suggestion to music to > >recommend?? > > You might try Front 242 or Front Line Assembly. Maybe Manufacture also. > Front 242 and FLA are well away from the Trance/Underground sound so vulgar now, > which I guess has some advantages. > I would suggest Front 242 too, 'cause they, like Kreftwerk, did also a music that was different from anything else what was done before them. They use a lot's of electronic stuff too, but their music is sometimes a bit harder than Kraftwerk. But there is a little problem with them too, 'cause they last album is 3 years old so I'm a bit worry about them. That's all. A guy from Slovakia: Tom ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #432 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #433 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 10 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 433 Re: What would you suggest? Re: What would you suggest? Eisbaer! Re: Hello Developments on Re: What would you suggest? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:18:18 ME Subject: Re: What would you suggest? Really-From: "PAWEL KALINOWSKI" > Hello Everybody > > Well, since no new Kraftwerk album have emerged within a lot of years, and > might never be published, one have to turn his ears to other artists. > > If you imagine that Kraftwerk were to release new material tomorrow, how > would that sound - is there any other artists around today that makes music > that would match that criteria? > > I personally would suggest the Autechre album called "Amber" - I'm not > familiar with Autechre's other albums, but Amber sounds like Kraftwerk anno > 1996 - in my opinion. > > Do you, dear fellow kraftwerkians, have any other suggestion to music to > recommend?? > > Lars Hi! I am a newcomer here and one of the few Polish electricians. I know two guys who formed Duesseldorf group playing 'new electric beat' as they call it themselves. As you can guess looking at the name this music is quite similar to what we like. Unfortunatelly, the guys have not enough money to issue a CD or tape and are only playing concerts in various student's clubs. Anyway, if they succeed to make a CD just buy one and be ran over by Polish Trans Europe Express Best Regards, Pawel ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 11:15:08 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: What would you suggest? Really-From: Hillebrand Boorsma I personally listen to this stuff in addition to KW: 'Pop-like' - - Yello Magic Orchestra (The japanese KW) - - Rheingold (NDW) 'Early KW-like' - - Cluster (if you like the early KW) - - Moebius / Rodelius (Please note: Plack recorded Autobahn) ( / Planck ) ( /Eno ) - - Harmonia - - Neu 'Industrial' - - Die Krupps (Industrial) - - Front 242 (80's industrial from Belgium) - - Front Line Assembly (F242 Clone) - - Laibach (Slovenian Industrial) - - Cabaret voltaire (Experimental/Industrial/Ambient) 'Ambient' - - Autechre (Intelligent Ambient) - - Richard H. Kirk (Ambient, Cabaret Voltaire member) 'Dance' - - Stuff on the 'Tresor' label (Techno) - - Emotions / Electric (Exellent early Detroit Techno sampler) I hope this gives you some ideas. It gives me lots of listening pleasure! _______________________________________________________________________________ Hillebrand Boorsma=Boorsma@duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl=+31 152785331 +31 152615553 "Dream carefully...." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:34:19 +0100 (MET) Subject: Really-From: Thomas Weckert I don't know why the fans expect a new album so hard, I can only assume. I think the question is whether the release of new material in the mid-90's will improved the Kraftwerk concept and push it forward. In my opinion, the answer is clearly no, and it was a good decision of Huetter & Schneider to keep new sounds inside Kling Klang. Their artwork, the "Gesamtkunstwerk", is after more than 20 years completed, and The Mix was a proper update to preserve the tracks and the concept for the future. There is no further part which has to be added to the concept, and the "Gesamtkunstwerk" is the perfect audio-visual artwork of our everyday life with technology, and it won't be more or less exciting with or without new material. Kraftwerk is Kraftwerk is Kraftwerk, and nothing else. I'm quite sure, if Ralf & Florian will ever release new material, it will be in no way comparable to the former albums, but complement their artwork on a new level. Thomas ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:29:37 +0100 Subject: Eisbaer! Really-From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) >popularity. I fondly remember a song I assume is titled "Eisbaer", I think >by the group "Ideal", which I've been trying to find for years. Any clues >would be appreciated. The first few lines (I believe) are: > >Ich moechte ein Eisbaer sein >Im kalten Polar >Dann muesste Ich nie mehr schrein >Alles waer so klar WOW!!! That's the swiss group Grauzone, not Ideal. They made a two-three brilliant singles round 1980. Listen also to the song "Moskau", if you find it somewhere, it's awesome! Grauzone made two(?) albums, the dissolved. One of the brothers Eicher, (Stephane Eicher) continued a solo carreer, and is still active in Switzerland, but now playing traditional music inspired also by swiss folklore, sometimes singing in french. Jan Sundstrom "Ba ba ba ba balloon" (Catherine Wheel - 'Balloon') ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 23:35:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Hello Really-From: dolf.wiemer@bbs.hacom.nl (DOLF WIEMER) >In my memory I found the name Johan Timman or somenthing like that and >the name of the album was "Trip into the body" for sure. The artist >is a Dutch artist from whom I've never heard anything else. A CD is available from this, I have seen it on a festival a year ago. For a CD copy of this album try: CUE Records NL Ron Boots Heezerweg 158 5614 HH Eindhoven the Netherlands Fax. (040) 212 00 13 Dolf ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:35:45 +0100 Subject: Developments on Re: What would you suggest? Really-From: Paulo Mouat Well, since Hillebrand Boorsma made a list of the bands/musicians who might please a Kraftwerkian, I'll personally add some bands which I think are missing (with some comments): 'Industrial' - - Skinny Puppy (From the canadian scene, FLA derived from them) - - Download (Derived from Skinny Puppy) - - Doubting Thomas (Same as above) - - SPK (with some Ambient and Experimental releases) - - Klinik (Experimental) I'd like to point out that Front Line Assembly are not (repeat, are not) a F242 clone. The sound is quite different, particularly since FLA's _The Blade_, where they definitely assumed the Cyberpunk genre and aesthetics, which is still their style, whereas F242 of Cyberpunk had only the lyrics of _Headhunter_ and _Circling Overland_ (and this was 4 CDs/7 years ago). If you like the Cyberpunk aesthetics, from _Neuromancer_ to _Shadowrun_ or _Cyberpunk 2020_, Front Line Assembly is definitely your band, although F242 is an essential. Sorry for getting this far from KW, but it would be VERY interesting to discuss KW's offspring in music. ********************************** Paulo Mouat - mouat@telepac.pt Theoretical Physics Dept, FCUL ********************************** ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #433 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #434 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 12 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 434 Re: What would you suggest? Gesamtkunstwerk? "New Life" Newsbit "New Life" Newsbit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:05:58 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: What would you suggest? Really-From: Hillebrand Boorsma Hi There, Some statements I'd like to react to: - -> > I personally would suggest the Autechre album called "Amber" - I'm not - -> > familiar with Autechre's other albums, but Amber sounds like Kraftwerk anno - -> > 1996 - in my opinion. - -> > Lars I don't agree. Kraftwerk evolved from more or less experimental sounds in the 70's to clear, short pop-song structures. Autechre maybe experimentators in sound & rythm, but they are imho really not a pop-band. Personally, I'd rather compare them to Schulze. - -> I don't know why the fans expect a new album so hard, I can - -> only assume. I think the question is whether the release of - -> new material in the mid-90's will improved the Kraftwerk - -> concept and push it forward. In my opinion, the answer is - -> clearly no, and it was a good decision of Huetter & Schneider - -> to keep new sounds inside Kling Klang. - -> Their artwork, the "Gesamtkunstwerk", is after more than - -> 20 years completed, and The Mix was a proper update - -> to preserve the tracks and the concept for the future. - -> There is no further part which has to be added to the concept, - -> and the "Gesamtkunstwerk" is the perfect audio-visual artwork - -> of our everyday life with technology, and it won't be more - -> or less exciting with or without new material. Kraftwerk - -> is Kraftwerk is Kraftwerk, and nothing else. - -> Thomas Here I disagree. The problem with technology is that it evolves, and society too. KW themselves changed the lyrics of Radioactivity to _Stop_ Radioactivity, for example. I'd rather suggest that Kraftwerk would improve their concept by giving us new data to process, not on a CD, but on the net, allowing us to have a Data-Date with R&F. Their idea was once to perform in a lot of places at one time by remote controlled robots. Well, the technology is available now, and robots (sound-cards) are available in every PC. So why not connect Kling Klang to the net ? "Aus Duesseldorf klingt es bald...", Kling Klang as the Kraftwerk for a global gesamtkunstwerk. - -> I'd like to point out that Front Line Assembly are not (repeat, are not) a F242 - -> clone. - -> Paulo Mouat - mouat@telepac.pt - -> Theoretical Physics Dept, FCUL Sorry (dear fellow Physicist), just said that to get a reaction :-) _______________________________________________________________________________ Hillebrand Boorsma=Boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl=+31.15.2785038(wrk) +31.15.2615553(pri) "Dream carefully...." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:00:21 +0000 Subject: Gesamtkunstwerk? Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > Their artwork, the "Gesamtkunstwerk", is after more than 20 years > completed > the "Gesamtkunstwerk" is the perfect audio-visual artwork of our > everyday life with technology > Kling Klang as the Kraftwerk for a global gesamtkunstwerk. The term "Gesamtkunstwerk" is often used to describe Kraftwerks concept, which I think is not correct. "Gesamtkunstwerk" is a terminus technicus which means the idealistic synthesis of music and drama. Kraftwerk offers lots of music, but not so much drama, therefore I would say that "Gesamtkunstwerk" is a misleading characterization of their work. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:06:00 +0000 Subject: "New Life" Newsbit Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" The following is taken from the News section of "New Life" 1/1996. Abstract: LFO's Mark Bell visited the Kling-Klang-Studio. He claims that Kraftwerk will release a new album within the next two years. EMI knows nothing. Klaus Zaepke Geruecht: Alle Jahre wieder verdichtet sich das Geruecht, dass KRAFTWERK endlich ein neues Album fertigstellen. Auch monatliche Rueckfrage bei EMI/Electrola bringt nur Achselzucken. Woechentliches Besprechen des Anrufbeantworters von Ralf Huetter bringt auch nur Schweigen der KRAFTWERKler. Ein kurzes "Hallo, ich bin's", waere o.k! Einen Lichtstrahl am elektronischen Horizont bringt nur die Aussage von LFO-Mastermind Mark Bell, der kuerzlich im Kling-Klang-Studio von KRAFTWERK war. "KRAFTWERK werden in den naechsten zwei Jahren ein Album herausbringen." Ach wirklich. Nur noch zwei Jahre wach werden bis elektronische Weihnachten. Danke! New Life 1/1996, p. 4 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:34:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: "New Life" Newsbit Really-From: Lazlo Nibble According to Brian Willoughby on the Yello list, radio station KUBE (somwhere in Washington, as far as I know) is playing a track called something like "Tokyo Dream", which they're referring to as a collaboration between Yello and Kraftwerk. Does anyone know anything about this? - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #434 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #435 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 13 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 435 Re: "New Life" Newsbit Only One Kraftwerk RE: Only One Kraftwerk KUBE or PUKE radio Seattle Re: "New Life" Newsbit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 96 11:10:38 +0100 Subject: Re: "New Life" Newsbit Really-From: lels@geo.vu.nl (Sander_Lelieveld) Tokyo Dream ?? Collaboration between KW and Yello ?? No way I believe it !! Guess it is a track by YMO, which is a band often compared with KW, and sometimes with Yello. So, there you have it, no KW !! Sander Lelieveld. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:19:52 EST Subject: Only One Kraftwerk Really-From: mdb@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Fellow Kraftwerkians, I have been observing much posting to this list lately by what appears to be disappointed and somewhat disgruntled KW fans who have given up hope and decided that the immortal KW has called it quits. These fans have turned their ears elsewhere in a paltry attempt to find music "comparable to the sound of Kraftwerk". I have not. I have been a fan of electronic music for many years and I've enjoyed everything from Depeche Mode to Nitzer Ebb to Front 242 to Ministry to NIN to Camouflage, and countless others. Well as this may be, all of the aforementioned bands still take a backseat to KW in my mind. I shall not turn away from them and seek out other bands to listen to. Kraftwerk has not broken up. When they do so, it will become public knowledge. They are still recording, and there will likely be new material from them. The future is a big place, people. If you all think KW is as revolutionary and fantastic as I do, you will wait for them as long as it takes, and keep listening. There is only one Kraftwerk. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:14:32 +0800 (U) Subject: RE: Only One Kraftwerk Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." > I have been observing much posting to this list lately by what >appears to be disappointed and somewhat disgruntled KW fans who have >given up hope and decided that the immortal KW has called it quits. >These fans have turned their ears elsewhere in a paltry attempt to >find music "comparable to the sound of Kraftwerk". I have not. Agreed. It seems to me that the most frustrated people are the ones that are deeply touched by their music (myself included). I'll wait as long as it takes. What else can we do? KW created a monster in a sense. Their music is so good and original that it creates a real hunger for more. It gets to a point where KW can be likened to a drug 'Pusher' (not really) but the drug is their music. They get you hooked to the point where you listen to their existing music endlessly and you develop a craving for more new, potent material. Don't be too hard on the other fans. We haven't really turned away from KW. We love them and are just anxious for more. Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:05:10 -0500 Subject: KUBE or PUKE radio Seattle Really-From: John Richey The radio station referred to is KUBE, 93.3 a pop radio station from Seattle which I doubt even knows who Kraftwerk is. They are a top forty type and would not know what they were talking about if they wrote it themselves. I have no information to back this up. Sorry! >Really-From: Lazlo Nibble > >According to Brian Willoughby on the Yello list, radio station KUBE (somwhere >in Washington, as far as I know) is playing a track called something like >"Tokyo Dream", which they're referring to as a collaboration between Yello >and Kraftwerk. Does anyone know anything about this? > >- -- >::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) John McCall Richey Stevens Institute of Technology - http://menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu/~jrichey Advanced Telecommunications Institute - http://orca.ati.stevens-tech.edu/~jrichey AT&T Personalink: john_richey@attpls.net ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:22:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: "New Life" Newsbit Really-From: Lazlo Nibble > Tokyo Dream ?? Collaboration between KW and Yello ?? No way I believe > it !! Guess it is a track by YMO, which is a band often compared with > KW, and sometimes with Yello. So, there you have it, no KW !! This sounds plausible enough, but it's not clear from this message whether you just think there's a YMO song named "Tokyo Dream" or if you *know* there's such a track. Is there? At any rate, the radio announcer who played this track mentioned the names of both members of Yello and three members of Kraftwerk in association with the track; that doesn't sound like someone who's mistaken an old YMO song for something. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #435 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #436 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 15 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 436 Re: Re: Only One Kraftwerk RE: Re: Only One Kraftwerk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 14 Jan 1996 20:45:06 GMT Subject: Re: Re: Only One Kraftwerk Really-From: martin.rundqvist@sting.dextel.se (Martin Rundqvist) KW created a monster in a sense. Their music is so good and original that it creates a real hunger for more. It gets to a point where KW can be likened to a drug 'Pusher' (not really) but the drug is their music. They get you hooked to the point where you listen to their existing music endlessly and you develop a craving for more new, potent material. Yep. It's so good and original. But NEW material is not really THAT important. It seems like I'll never get bored of listening to my KW collection over and over again.. New material is good, but not MEGA important that you could kill for it //Martin ********** Sent via the StingNet (Sweden) UUCP Gateway ************* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:39:11 +0800 (U) Subject: RE: Re: Only One Kraftwerk Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >But NEW material is not really THAT >important. >It seems like I'll never get bored of listening to my KW collection over and >over again.. >New material is good, but not MEGA important that you could kill for it >//Martin Well, I wouldn't kill for it. And by saying that I listen to their existing material endlessly I hope I implied that it's anything but boring. But let's face it. After hearing 'The Robots' or 'Computer World' for the first time and then for a a year or two after that didn't you anticipate what was next? After nearly 10 years without new compositions I sure do! Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #436 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #437 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 16 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 437 Re: Re: Re: Only One Kraftwerk What? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 15 Jan 1996 20:27:12 GMT Subject: Re: Re: Re: Only One Kraftwerk Really-From: martin.rundqvist@sting.dextel.se (Martin Rundqvist) >Well, I wouldn't kill for it. And by saying that I listen to their existing >material endlessly I hope I implied that it's anything but boring. But let's >face it. After hearing 'The Robots' or 'Computer World' for the first time >and then for a a year or two after that didn't you anticipate what was next? >After nearly 10 years without new compositions I sure do! Well. The Mix didn't really contain NEW compositions, but a NEW sound., which made a very different picture than the old versions. I've listened to TEE, MM, RA, MIX since 92 and i still like it as before.., compared to ordinary Radio-buzz that can be good 10-15 times... Vi ar do rabotts //martin ********** Sent via the StingNet (Sweden) UUCP Gateway ************* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 15 Jan 1996 21:27:17 GMT Subject: What? Really-From: martin.rundqvist@sting.dextel.se (Martin Rundqvist) Hay.. Got some problems.. What to call KW's kind of music?? Do anyone got written something that they have said (heard someone said that they called it Robot-pop).. Some call it Synth, other Synth-Pop, other Techno-pop.. On Electric Cafe they got a track called Techno Pop, but that might just be a title, or??? I like to call it Techno-Pop or Synth-Pop.. But not Synth.. Today's Synth i call S.P.O.C.K, FLA, NIN, and such,. Like: Techno-Pop is Technological Pop, should sound like pop (but with synthetic sounds) Synth-Pop is Synthesizered Pop, should sound like pop (but with synthetic sounds) Synth is just synth with synthetic sounds and because synth is cool and so on.. //Martin ********** Sent via the StingNet (Sweden) UUCP Gateway ************* ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #437 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #438 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 17 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 438 Synth? Kraftwerk live in UK this May? Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #437 BBC World service program Re: BBC World service program KW Koncert in May ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:31:04 +0100 Subject: Synth? Really-From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) >What to call KW's kind of music?? >Today's Synth i call S.P.O.C.K, FLA, NIN, and such,. >Synth is just synth with synthetic sounds and because synth is cool and so >on. In Sweden there used to be a term called "raasynth" (raw synth), which referred to the pure synth music, where the syntheziser sound was the most important, very simplistic, and the song was in the back. Not mellow like Tangerine Dream, more with an attitude and even harsh. The Computer World album fits this description perfectly, and was often called the ultimate 'raw synth' album back in 81-82. Jan Sundstrom "Wearing this tie - a black tie Walk down this street, where people are staring" (Clock DVA - '4 Hours') ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:36:51 GMT Subject: Kraftwerk live in UK this May? Really-From: jda@soc.unl.ac.uk (Jonathan) I have heard a rumor that Kraftwerk will be doing a show in the UK in May at an outdoor event to be held in Oxfordshire. Can anybody confirm or deny this? Jon ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:30:03 +6000 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #437 Really-From: Francesco Gardinali I think "Robot Pop" is the best. Frank KFW015 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:49:04 +0100 (MET) Subject: BBC World service program Really-From: Hillebrand Boorsma Hi KWians, Tonight (about 1:00 GMT) I heard on BBC Worldservice a documentary called "The history of electronic music" or so. Sounds heard (a.o.): Stockhausen TD KWi David Bowie YMO Voices: Edgar Froese Florian Schneider Jean Michel Jarre David Bowie All presented by Rick Wakeman. Next issue will be about 80's electronic Britpop. You should be able to receive BBCWS in glorious AM or SW quality anywhere in the world. _______________________________________________________________________________ Hillebrand Boorsma=Boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl=+31.15.2785038(wrk) +31.15.2615553(pri) "Wenn wellen klingen, ferne stimmen klingen" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:47:28 -0500 Subject: Re: BBC World service program Really-From: prabhu@cs.umass.edu (Rajesh Prabhu) Well, anyone know if this will be repeated anytime this week? (I know BBC WS programs typically get 2/3 airings per episode) - -- Rajesh ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 19:55:46 +0100 (MET) Subject: KW Koncert in May Really-From: Lars Nellemann Hi Soemone asked about the Kraftwerk gig in May. Here's a snippet from NME 13 January: "Gathering Nutters in May" Kraftwerk ans Beastie Boys are expected to headline the second tribal gathering in Oxfoerdshire in early May. Legendary German synth pioneers Kraftwerk, who were set to end their long absence from the live arena by headlining the aborted Lydd Air Festival last year, are now expected to head an extensive line of live acts and DJs from the house, Jungle, Trip-hop, Goa Trance, hardcore and techno communities playing on 6 different syages over 24 hours.., ,..A full line-up will be announced within a fortnight, but insiders say the two main acts are "90 per cent confirmed" to play. Acts already confirmed include: Underworld, The Advent, Hardfloor and Lionrock, and DJs Paul Oakenfold, Laurent Garnier, Sven Vath, James Lavelle, and Justin Robertson. The festival is likely to be held on the same Otmoor Park site near Oxford, although licensing details are still being finalised with police and local authorities. Lars Nellemann - -- ******************************************************************** * Lars Nellemann * I'm confused - Like a thirsty * * nelleman@biobase.dk * baby in a topless bar ! * * National Hospital of Denmark * ******************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #438 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #439 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 18 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 439 Re: Synth? FS:Neue Kraft KW music designation (Re: Synth) New to the mailing list - Aktivitaet Re: KW Koncert in May ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:29:32 +0100 Subject: Re: Synth? Really-From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) > kcu> The Computer World album fits this description perfectly, and was > kcu> often called the ultimate 'raw synth' album back in 81-82. > >Sj=E4lv anv=E4nde jag det begreppet mer d=E5 jag talade om tidiga Nitzer= Ebb och >liknande, jag skulle inte vilja kalla KW f=F6r r=E5synth.. Nu =E4r jag iofs= yngre, >jag var inte ens med (som synthare) 81-82... > > Marcus Ohlstrom (marcus@karkis.canit.se) Yeah, well. I think you can call early Nitzer Ebb, DAF etc as raw synth as well, as this swedish reader suggests.... Jan Sundstrom "You've been away for so long, you can't ask why" (Swervedriver - 'Duel') ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:26:32 +0100 Subject: FS:Neue Kraft Really-From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) I've located a copy of Neue Kraft double LP (Picturedisc) Live Copenhagen 91, with excellent live pictures from 91!!! Unfortunately, this is very expensive, but i remember someone asking for it. This goes for $130 (hilarious, but this is what the guy is selling it for). ANyone interested?! Jan Sundstrom "Gone too far, gone too far" (Popsicle - 'Mayfly') ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:55:30 +0100 Subject: KW music designation (Re: Synth) Really-From: Paulo Mouat > What to call KW's kind of music?? > Do anyone got written something that they have said (heard someone said > that they called it Robot-pop).. As per an interview with Ralf Hutter (in the french Keyboards mag) the keywords are _Popular Electro-Industrial_, originally termed as either _Elektronischevolksmusik_ or _Industriellevolksmusik_, and _Dancing Mekanik_. ********************************** Paulo Mouat - mouat@telepac.pt Theoretical Physics Dept, FCUL ********************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 17 Jan 96 17:44:08 EST Subject: New to the mailing list - Aktivitaet Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@compuserve.com> Greetings, I have recently subscribed to the mailing list and now seems a good time to post a brief introduction; my name is Ian Calder and regular readers may already be familiar with the name from previous discussion about the unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine Aktivitaet that is available, which I edit and produce. I have had sporadic access to e-mail/Internet etc. in the past so have not been able to contribute directly to the list other than by proxy via regular contacts and familiar mailing list regulars such as Jose Garcia, Gunther Poecker and Klaus Zaepke for instance. I have recently, at long last, set up suitable e-mail access from home and have since been ironing out teething troubles and the like and also trying to catch up with past digests. I would like to make past and current articles and images from the fanzine, where relevant and not repeating any subject already well documented, available to the mailing list and maybe even the WWW if feasible. I can also make some of the live photo's I have taken available in due course. And other bits and pieces, as time progresses. At present I'm pondering over what the next move is for the fanzine, as events in the recent past have convinced me it is time to review the format of it, but all will become clear before too long I hope. I shall sign off this intro here then but hope to contribute to the list before long. My e-mail address is 101460.571@compuserve.com. - - Ian Calder ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:56:41 -0800 Subject: Re: KW Koncert in May Really-From: dfee@interserv.com Hi, it's me David from California. I know I haven't said anything in a while, but now I'm about ready to scream (because I'm happy). I'll be in Oxford in May! Actually, from Feb.01 through May.15. I might stay longer to take a hop over to see my friends in Düsseldorf. Not sure yet. This is very exciting. I hope this thing happens! Anyway, I just wanted to say Hi to everyone. I'll be in Oxford as a student. Is there anyone else on this list who lives (or will be living) in the Oxford area? Perhaps we could meet and discuss life?? Let me know!! Thanks for being there, everyone! David Are we planning the same sort of crime? ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #439 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #440 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 19 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 440 Re: New to the mailing list - Aktivitaet Re: "New Life" Newsbit Re: FS:Neue Kraft Re: Ian Calder ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:50:49 +0000 Subject: Re: New to the mailing list - Aktivitaet Really-From: "Gustav Holmberg" Hello all! Ian: what a great idea! It would be very interesting to make the material from Aktivitaet available to the Net. Generally, I think a future for the fanzine would be a regular electronic edition; you reach lots of people with minimal cost. Cheers Gustav ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 13:10:56 +0100 Subject: Re: "New Life" Newsbit Really-From: lels@geo.vu.nl (Sander_Lelieveld) I do NOT know anything about Tokyo Dream, but I am trying to keep the side-path-discussion as small as possible. I want people on this list talk about KW, and not about things like this, because it is quite obvious that Tokyo Dream has nothing to do with KW, in my opinion.... Sander Lelieveld ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 19:17:51 MEZ Subject: Re: FS:Neue Kraft Really-From: Thomas Alby content-type:text/plain;charset=us-ascii mime-version:1.0 >I've located a copy of Neue Kraft double LP (Picturedisc) Live Copenhagen >> >Unfortunately, this is very expensive, but i remember someone asking for it. >This goes for $130 (hilarious, but this is what the guy is selling it for). >ANyone interested?! The double LP is available for about 35 DM here in germany (about 20$), if you are interested contact me via e-mail! Thomas ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:03:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Ian Calder Really-From: jrichey@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu (John M Richey) Ian Welcome to the list, a definite bonus to the list for sure. Thank you for all your hard work with the fanzine. Sincerely John - -------------- John McCall Richey SIT EECS - menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu/~jrichey SIT ATI - orca.ati.stevens-tech.edu/~jrichey AT&T Personalink: john_richey@attpls.net ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #440 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #441 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 20 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 441 Re: Kraftwerk live in UK this May? Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #440 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 09:20:49 EST Subject: Re: Kraftwerk live in UK this May? Really-From: Nicholas Patrick Carlisle Hello, I was very disappointed to read in this week's NME that: "KRAFTWERK and BEASTIE BOYS will not be playing at the Universe/Mean Fiddler 1996 Tribal Gathering as reported in NME (January 13). Kraftwerk were approached but turned the festival down and Beastie Boys were never an option. The rest of the line-up is as announced and full details will follow." Looks like we'll have to wait some more.... Oskar. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:43:59 +0100 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #440 Really-From: F.Meijer@student.frw.ruu.nl (Frank Meijer) Hai there! My name is Frank and I am from the good old Netherlands and I like Kraftwerk very much. I do not know if this message works, so I will keep it short. I am really excited about the rumour that Kraftwerk is doing a gig in the UK, but on the other hand, I am very sceptical about it. We will see. A few weeks ago I was in Dusseldorf in front of the secret Kling Klang studio, but there was not much to see. A guy who lived there told me that they worked in the studio practically every day, but that they usually arrive at the end of the afternoon. I had some other things to do, so I left. Conclusion: they are still doing something in the studio, but what will come out of it? We will have to wait, as usual... Frank ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #441 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #442 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 22 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 442 Re: "New Life" Newsbit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 16:52:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: "New Life" Newsbit Really-From: Lazlo Nibble > I do NOT know anything about Tokyo Dream, but > I am trying to keep the side-path-discussion > as small as possible. I want people on this > list talk about KW, and not about things like > this, because it is quite obvious that Tokyo Dream > has nothing to do with KW, in my opinion.... If you don't know anything about "Tokyo Dream", then you don't have enough information to *have* an opinion about whether the song has anything to do with Kraftwerk. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #442 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #443 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 23 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 443 Aktivitaet 7 - 'Live Tapes - The Autobahn Era' Articles from Aktivitaet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 22 Jan 96 17:13:09 EST Subject: Aktivitaet 7 - 'Live Tapes - The Autobahn Era' Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@compuserve.com> Live tapes - the 'Autobahn' era by Ferric Bias, from Aktivitaet 7 (September 1995) Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no connection with Kraftwerk and its current members. ************************************************ Like all other groups, live recordings of Kraftwerk have always been in circulation and sought after by fans eager to hear the band's live renditions of familiar material. In recent times CD's have taken the place of live tapes to a large extent, with the better quality ones (and, let's be fair, rather poor quality ones too) gaining wide circulation. Yet live tapes remain in circulation and are eagerly swapped between collectors interested in hearing the long-gone tones of earlier Kraftwerk material. A lot of the earlier tapes have of course been copied so many times that their sound quality has deteriorated. Many of the comments in this article may be along the lines of 'hissy, dull sound but otherwise well balanced'; this is intended to indicate that although the quality has become obscured, the actual original sound of the recording is OK; not overly distorted or of 'tinny' (no bass at all) quality. In general, it appears to be the case that the earlier the recording, the poorer quality tends to be. Roughly speaking, none of the tapes in this article are of particularly good sound quality, excepting perhaps the 1975 Cologne radio broadcast, and many are very poor in terms of sound quality. In many cases, there appears to be only the one particular recording of a concert that seems to be in wide circulation. This applies mainly to gigs from the earlier period of Kraftwerk's live history. As time has gone by, and the required technology has become smaller, there are now usually multiple recordings from a single gig, which will make an article such as this more difficult to write for later gigs. This article takes a look at the tapes that exist from the period after the release of the 'Autobahn' LP, when the band expanded to a four piece live combo and embarked on their first extensive series of live dates. LEVERKUSEN - 24.4.74/75? - DATE UNCERTAIN - 2xC60 Audience recording, reasonably well balanced sound, though a bit boomy in the bass department. Quite quiet overall, which exaggerates the tape hiss a bit. Audience can be heard in the quieter moments, but not too dominant. The date of this concert is a source of mystery. Information suggests that the German 'Autobahn' tour took place much later in 1974 (October and/or November), thus contradicting the above date. However, the recording does not feature any audible guitars but there is plenty of xylophone so I think we can safely assume that it is in fact Karl Bartos as the fourth band member and not Klaus Roeder, which would place this recording in the 1975 time frame. Remarkable for the fact that so many songs are played, hence the gig is a long one. The version of what is known as 'Kling Klang' is quite freeform and quite impressive; features in parts a very heavy rhythm, an early example of Kraftwerk's future influence on house music perhaps! Musically, the track is a mix of synths, xylophone(!), echoed flute and such. Reminiscent in parts to some of 'Ralf and Florian'; 'Tongebirge' / 'Heimatklaenge'. The xylophone can also be heard on the following track, 'Ruckzuck', Karl Bartos displaying the fruits of his labours at the Duesseldorf conservatory perhaps. The version of 'Kometenmelodie' begins as per the LP version and thus does not feature the vocoder/organ/bells intro detailed later in this article. Just as part 2 of 'Kometenmelodie' starts, the synths seem to go out of tune with one another, which prompts a few moments of synth re-tuning (ah, the perils of early synths!). The xylophone can also be heard again on this track and also a rather free-form, extended outing of 'Tanzmusik', that sounds almost middle of the road, with its tinkling xylophone touches and keyboard flourishes lending something of a kitsch cocktail bar backing music feel! Certainly very different from the LP version, with a far wider scope for improvisation, working around the main melody of the song. The version of 'Autobahn' seems to last forever, a rather extended rendition of the track.The version of 'Mitternacht' is unusual in that immediately before and after it there is a rather rhythmic piece of music based unmistakably on the tune of 'Showroom Dummies', mutating into bass-keyboard driven free-form piece. The tape finishes with a rarely heard live version of 'Morgenspaziergang', the additional rhythm of which gives the track a predominately waltz-time signature. It then mutates into an improvised section reminiscent of the first track! (Tracklisting; 'Kling Klang', 'Ruckzuck', 'Kometenmelodie' (1 & 2), 'Autobahn', 'Tanzmusik', improvised/'Mitternacht', 'Tongebirge', 'Morgenspaziergang'.) KOELN - GERMANY - 22/3/75 - C90 Released on the 'Kometenmelodie' bootleg LP and the 'Cologne 1975' bootleg CD. Good quality recording, originally from a radio broadcast, though incomplete. One of the most well known of Kraftwerk's concert recordings. A good example of the Kraftwerk live sound of the period, the version of 'Ruckzuck' is probably the best track. Some pretty serious noise reduction has been utilised to kill the hiss on the LP/CD copies. The recording is in stereo which is another major plus and certainly differentiates it from the majority of the other tapes here. Well recommended. (Tracklisting; 'Ruckzuck', 'Kometenmelodie 1', 'Kometenmelodie 2', 'Autobahn'.) There also exists a longer recording of this gig, but not in such good quality. (Tracklisting; 'Ruckzuck', 'Kometenmelodie 1', 'Kometenmelodie 2', 'Autobahn', 'Tanzmusik', 'Mitternacht', 'Tongebirge', 'Morgenspaziergang'.) CHICAGO - 5/75 - C90 Originally broadcast on WXRP radio I believe, if the MC heard at the start of the tape is anything to go by. An interesting recording of 'Mitternacht' opens the show - the track is as the LP arrangement to begin with before, once again, the melody of 'Showroom Dummies' breaks in after a minute or two. This theme continues on and changes, having distinct similarities, particularly the sounds, to portions of 'Kristallo', from the 'Ralf and Florian' LP. As the tune progresses, some of the music sounds very similar, particularly the fast bass line rhythm, to the 1981 live version of 'Showroom Dummies'! As per the 1981 rendition, the track ends with the tune of 'Mitternacht' played once more at the songs end! All a good six years before the 1981 tour arrangement! Funny how Kraftwerk work sometimes... Sound quality of the copy I have heard has become muddy with being copied so much. I would presume that a good quality recording from the original radio broadcast would be an excellent document of Kraftwerk's live performance from this period of time. (Tracklisting; 'Mitternacht'/improvised, 'Ruckzuck', 'Kometenmelodie' 1', 'Kometenmelodie 2', 'Tanzmusik', 'Autobahn', 'Kling Klang'(Excerpt)) BERKELEY, CALIFORNIA, Keystone - 11/5/75 - USA - C90 Audience recording. Hissy, dull sound quality throughout. Interesting in that once again it sounds as if Karl Bartos is playing a Xylophone /Vibraphone type instrument, which gives some of the tracks a far more different feel, esp. 'Tanzmusik'. Microphone adjustment heard in several places throughout the recording. (Tracklisting; 'Kling Klang', 'Tanzmusik', 'Ruckzuck' (cut), 'Kometenmelodie 1 & 2' (cut), 'Autobahn' (cut)) LONDON, Royal Festival Hall - 1/9/75 - ENGLAND, UK - C90 Mixing desk recording, in stereo, but over the generations the quality has deteriorated; plays a bit slow and is a bit distorted in places. Whether this is present on the original master recording or whether it has been inherited over the generations of copies is unclear. If a good quality copy exists it would make this an interesting document of the version of 'Kometenmelodie', this being the version which features an alternative intro with rather melodramatic vocoded vocals, church bells and somewhat gothic organ. Quite what the significance of this intro is was unknown to me to begin with but Gunther Poecker explains it thus; 'The German text used as the 'Kometenmelodie' intro in the '75 concerts is from Johann Wolfgang von Goethe's 'Faust' I. (Probably the most famous German author/dramatist/artist/genius, he lived in the 18th century.) This is probably from an LP with the drama, but is processed through a vocoder. The piece is from 'Faust' I, Prologue in the Heavens. Angel Raphael says these lines; 'Die Sonne toent nach alter Weise, In Brudersphaeren Wettgesang, Und ihre vorgeschriebne Reise, Vollendet sie mit Donnergang. 'This describes the path of the sun during the day and it serves here to show the greatness of nature as made by God.' The vocoded vocal is also present at the very beginning of the recording, because this concert begins with the familiar intro that the band still introduce their shows with to this very day. (The 'Ladies and Gentlemen, Heute Abend, aus Deutschland, Die Mensch Maschine, Kraftwerk' intro!) (Tracklisting; 'Kling Klang', 'Tongebirge', 'Tanzmusik', 'Ruckzuck', 'Kometenmelodie 1&2') BRIGHTON, The Dome - 17/9/75 - ENGLAND, UK - C90 Audience recording. Hissy, muddy sound but otherwise well balanced. No serious distortion. A good version of the track introduced as 'Kling Klang'. Performances of this period feature a mostly improvised track at the start of the concert which is very good; Ralf can quite clearly be heard to introduce it as 'Kling Klang' and the bell chimes and clangs that are on the LP version are present and correct too at its start; however, the rest of the music sounds so unlike the LP version of 'Kling Klang' that it can scarcely be counted as such. A track that, if a studio version exists, would be worthy of release in some kind of retrospective collection. This is a particularly good version of it anyway. (Tracklisting; 'Kling Klang', 'Tongebirge', 'Tanzmusik', 'Kometenmelodie 1&2', 'Autobahn'.) PARIS, FRANCE - 28.2.76 From a radio broadcast, the sound quality is quite good. There is a French DJ who speaks over portions of the tracks, especially 'Kometenmelodie' Part 1. This track is preceded by the electronic voice intro from 'Faust' detailed earlier in this article. In general, the performance is quite minimal, the sounds devoid of any kind of live ambience, presumably straight into the mixer. The version of 'Tanzmusik' is once again quite free-form, with the main melody of the song, as well as the electronic rhythm, the only real connection to the original. ('Autobahn' (start missing), 'Kling Klang' (excerpt), 'Kometenmelodie' (Parts 1 and 2), 'Tongebirge', 'Tanzmusik') Unfortunately there are no recordings from any of the shows that the band performed in late 1976 that have as yet entered wide circulation. This is particularly unfortunate as the band performed versions of songs from both the 'Radioactivity' and 'Trans-Europe Express' LP's at these concerts. In particular, these are the only known occasions when versions of 'Europe Endless' and 'Airwaves' (or 'Antenna') have been performed live by the band. - - END - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 22 Jan 96 17:12:18 EST Subject: Articles from Aktivitaet Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@compuserve.com> Greetings once more! Thanks to everyone who e-mailed the list and me personally with your kind words, a warm welcome. Traffic on the list seems a bit sparse at the moment so I will take this opportunity to make the first move with regard to making some of Aktivitaet's past articles available. I would welcome feedback about such things; some of the articles can be lengthy and I wonder perhaps that they may be a bit too lengthy for a single posting, especially if you are having to download and paying for it personally? Is the list the place for them, or perhaps just available via FTP or even the WWW? Initially only articles where the original writer/contributor has agreed for their re-distribution in this format will be sent. So, here goes! Ian ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #443 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #444 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 25 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 444 CUE Records NL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 01:52:15 +0100 Subject: CUE Records NL Really-From: cue@mcs.nl (CUE Records NL) CUE Records NL now has it's own WWW pages. Please visit us at: http://mcs.nl/cue/cue.html Besides our catalogue we also have a page with concerts and other news. If you have info for that page then mail it to: cue@mcs.nl. Hope you like the pages. Gr. Kees and Ron CUE Records NL (The Dutch specialist in Synth and New Age music) Kees Aerts - ----------------------- Visit our WWW-pages: http://mcs.nl/cue/cue.html ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #444 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #445 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 27 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 445 Original Artwork Tokyo Dream Yamo Re: Original Artwork Past KW Ticket Prices. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:43:00 EST Subject: Original Artwork Really-From: mdb@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Fellow Kraftwerkians, Greetings. I have all of KW's albums on CD and have never actually seen the original vinyl album covers. I noticed that the Cleopatra version of the 'Radio-Activity' album cover is black with green highlights and green letters. However, the re-mastered artwork on the new Capitol re-issues of the CD is black with white instead of green. Who knows what the original album cover looked like and what colors it had? Thanks. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mdb@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:27:30 +0000 Subject: Tokyo Dream Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > At any rate, the radio announcer who played this track mentioned the > names of both members of Yello and three members of Kraftwerk in > association with the track Were these the names of three members or the names of three ex-members of Kraftwerk? Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:28:11 +0000 Subject: Yamo Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" The Duesseldorf edition of Prinz 01/1996 contains some information on Wolfgang Fluer's new project Yamo. Yamo seems to consist of Wolfgang Fluer plus Andi Thoma and Jan Werner (both from Mouse on Mars). Four songs are already finished, and a release is scheduled for spring. Their concept is described as a "digitized, new form of poetry music". Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 16:41:39 GMT-3:00 Subject: Re: Original Artwork Really-From: Eduardo Marcel Macan > Fellow Kraftwerkians, > Cleopatra version of the 'Radio-Activity' album cover is black with > green highlights and green letters. All the Radioactivity LPs I've ever seen were in black & white, when I bought the CD from Cleopatra I thought it was a mistake. I could never think of a good reason to make it green, maybe to remind us of the time when computer screens were green and to remember us to thank monitors now have 3 beams instead of only one. Eduardo. "I program my home computer, beam myself into the future" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:30:43 EST Subject: Past KW Ticket Prices. Really-From: mdb@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Fellow Kraftwerkians, Hello there. I was born in the year 'Autobahn' was released, and unfortunately I grew up too late to be able to appreciate most of KW's music firsthand. Nowadays I am a die-hard KW fan who has not yet seen them perform live, so you can imagine how I am longing for a new album and tour perhaps more than most people. In any event, I am curious to know what the various ticket prices have been in the past for Kraftwerk venues. I know that ticket prices vary with respect to the size of the venue and such, but I am looking for a general idea. So, get out your old ticket stubs and let me know. :o) Thanks. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mdb@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu "From station to station back to Dusseldorf city..." ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #445 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #446 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 28 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 446 kraftwerk-digest V2 #445 all of KW's albums on CD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 27 Jan 96 05:14:35 EST Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #445 Really-From: Kenneth McKirdy <100260.542@compuserve.com> Re. Kraftwerk Ticket Prices. I've been fortunate enough to see Kraftwerk "live" 4 times. I've also met Ralf, Florian (weird guy), Karl and Wolfgang. In 1981 on the Computer World tour I saw them play at the Glasgow Apollo and the Edinburgh Playhouse. Both shows were awesome. I can't remember the ticket prices for these shows. In 1991 I took in Kraftwerk performances at the Birmingham Hummingbird on 15th July and the London Brixton Academy on 20th July. The ticket prices for these shows were as follows : Hummingbird L9.00 (US $13) Brixton Academy L10.50 (US $15) Both venues were unseated. Hope this info is useful. Ken ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:41:18 -0500 Subject: all of KW's albums on CD Really-From: jrichey@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu (John M Richey) This is not possible, the first three albums KW1 KW2 and R&F are only available on bootleg CD and they are direct reprints of the album covers (to some extent). To see the original artwork from the first album, and R&F check out the KW site in sweden. (I scanned the artwork myself) >Really-From: mdb@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu > >Fellow Kraftwerkians, > > Greetings. I have all of KW's albums on CD and have never - -------------- John McCall Richey SIT EECS - menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu/~jrichey SIT ATI - orca.ati.stevens-tech.edu/~jrichey AT&T Personalink: john_richey@attpls.net ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #446 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #447 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 29 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 447 Tour De France Re: Tour De France ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 04:58:33 EST Subject: Tour De France Really-From: mdb@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Fellow Kraftwerkians, Hello. My Kraftwerk collections exists mainly on compact disc, and as such I do not own a copy of KW's 1983 single "Tour De France". If I were to mail you a cassette, would any of you with the original "Tour De France" single be kind enough to dub me a copy of the track? Basically, all I'm really looking for is a copy of the original 7" vinyl version of the song, but any additional mixes and/or live selections would be welcome. Anyone who'd be willing to help me out please write to me. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mdb@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu "Interpol and Deutsch Bank, FBI and Scotland Yard..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 00:29:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Tour De France Really-From: Paulo Mouat > If I were to mail you a cassette, would any of you with the original > "Tour De France" single be kind enough to dub me a copy of the track? I have a friend who has the _Tour de France_ single, I personally don't because I use only CDs. He once lended me the single, although I was able to hear it only somewhere else, so I guess he wouldn't mind to lend it again. Maybe he could do the recording himself. - -- ********************************** Paulo Mouat - mouat@telepac.pt Theoretical Physics Dept, FCUL ********************************** ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #447 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #448 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 30 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 448 Re: Tour De France Re: Past KW Ticket Prices. Re: Past KW Ticket Prices. Re: Past KW Ticket Prices. Re: Tour De France Re: Past KW Ticket Prices. During or before "The Robots"? Re: During or before "The Robots"? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:18:45 MEZ Subject: Re: Tour De France Really-From: Thomas Alby content-type:text/plain;charset=us-ascii mime-version:1.0 Hello. My Kraftwerk collections exists mainly on compact disc, > and as such I do not own a copy of KW's 1983 single "Tour De France". > If I were to mail you a cassette, would any of you with the original > "Tour De France" single be kind enough to dub me a copy of the track? > Basically, all I'm really looking for is a copy of the original 7" > vinyl version of the song, but any additional mixes and/or live > selections would be welcome. Anyone who'd be willing to help me out > please write to me. No problem, I have several versions of the song (french, german, 7" and 12" mixes). However, it might be a little bit too expensive for you to send a tape to germany... Besides, and this goes to the whole list, the sound quality of "Tour de France" seems rather bad compared to other KW stuff, even the CD-version on "DJ's Best - german dancefloor classics" sounds a little bit dull (is this the right word? Can't find my dictionary!) Any comments about this are appreciated! Thomas ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:23:33 MEZ Subject: Re: Past KW Ticket Prices. Really-From: Thomas Alby content-type:text/plain;charset=us-ascii mime-version:1.0 > From kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Sat Jan 27 01:19 MEZ 1996 Hello there. I was born in the year 'Autobahn' was released, and > unfortunately I grew up too late to be able to appreciate most of KW's > music firsthand. Nowadays I am a die-hard KW fan who has not yet seen > them perform live, so you can imagine how I am longing for a new album > and tour perhaps more than most people. In any event, I am curious to > know what the various ticket prices have been in the past for > Kraftwerk venues. I know that ticket prices vary with respect to the > size of the venue and such, but I am looking for a general idea. So, > get out your old ticket stubs and let me know. :o) Thanks. The first and only KW concert I saw was in Osnabrueck, Germany, I'm not sure if it was in 1992 or 1993. The concert belonged to a "Klang Art"-Festival that was dedicated to electronic music. The ticket price was 44 DM, about 30 $. It might have been a little bit more expensive due to the festival, although KW was the only band on this evening. Thomas ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:42:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Past KW Ticket Prices. Really-From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) >I'm not sure if it was in 1992 or 1993. The concert belonged to >a "Klang Art"-Festival that was dedicated to electronic music. >The ticket price was 44 DM, about 30 $. I saw five gigs in UK 1991, prices was around =A312 ($20). Stockholm was a bit more expensive, 190 SEK ($30 maybe). Jan Sundstrom "This world slip and you tumble down" (Swervedriver - 'Duel') =20 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:19:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Past KW Ticket Prices. Really-From: "Gustav.Holmberg" Lund (Sweden) in -91was also 190 SEK. A great concert! During The Robots Ralf, Florian, Hilpert (?) and ??? left the stage, as they apparently use to do, and ended up in the audience. One of them (didn't see exactly who it was) was quite near me, standing among enthusiastic fans and enjoyed the show, without being spotted. On another topic: any more news regarding the rumor of a Yello+Kraftwerk collaboration? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------ > Really-From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) > > > >I'm not sure if it was in 1992 or 1993. The concert belonged to > >a "Klang Art"-Festival that was dedicated to electronic music. > >The ticket price was 44 DM, about 30 $. > > I saw five gigs in UK 1991, prices was around =A312 ($20). Stockholm was= a > bit more expensive, 190 SEK ($30 maybe). > > Jan Sundstrom > > "This world slip and you tumble down" (Swervedriver - 'Duel') > > > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------- Gustav Holmberg, PhD student, History of Science and Ideas Lund University, Sweden. Gustav.Holmberg@fil.lu.se http://www.df.lth.se/~wilt ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:45:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Tour De France Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I can do it for you if no one else has volunteered by now. Frank Doris East Northport, New York ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:26:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Past KW Ticket Prices. Really-From: "Gerald E. Withers" I was at a Kraftwerk concert in Mannheim Germany in 1981. I think the price was something around $20 - ------------------------------------////-------------------------------------- Jerry Withers Only Amiga //// A2000/100HD 030/882/5Mb 50Mhz 401 Euclid Ave //// makes A2386 & VGA 150MB Syracuse N.Y. 13210 \\\\//// it A2230 GVP Spectrum 28/24 gewither@.mailbox.syr.edu \\\///possible! AmigaD0S 3.1 - -------------------------------\\//------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 17:31:05 +0000 Subject: During or before "The Robots"? Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > Lund (Sweden) in -91 > During The Robots Ralf, Florian, Hilpert (?) Fritz Hilpert > and ??? Henning Schmitz > left the stage, as they apparently use to do Was it really *during* "The Robots", or maybe *before* "The Robots"? Please don't mind my question, but if they really left *during* "The Robots", it was very different from the other 1991 concerts. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:57:13 +0000 Subject: Re: During or before "The Robots"? Really-From: "Gustav.Holmberg" I'm quite sure it was during The Robots -- I remember well how the only Kraftwerkians on stage were mechanical ones, or were perhaps the robots in operation during any other song in the set? During which songs did they leave stage at the other concerts? > Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > > > > > Lund (Sweden) in -91 > > During The Robots Ralf, Florian, Hilpert (?) > > Fritz Hilpert > > > and ??? > > Henning Schmitz > > > left the stage, as they apparently use to do > > Was it really *during* "The Robots", or maybe *before* "The Robots"? > Please don't mind my question, but if they really left *during* "The > Robots", it was very different from the other 1991 concerts. > > Klaus Zaepke > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------- Gustav Holmberg, PhD student, History of Science and Ideas Lund University, Sweden. Gustav.Holmberg@fil.lu.se http://www.df.lth.se/~wilt ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #448 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #449 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 31 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 449 Kraftwerk in concert Re: During or before "The Robots"? During or before "The Robots"? Re: During or before "The Robots"? Kraftwerk sighting? Kraftwerk In the U.S.? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:07:33 +0200 Subject: Kraftwerk in concert Really-From: dvdborn@pimc.be (David Vandenborn) Last week, I read somewhere and heard on the radio that Kraftwerk will be performing life on a festival in the UK this year. Does anybody know more about this? (David) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:52:56 +0100 (NFT) Subject: Re: During or before "The Robots"? Really-From: Klaus Zaepke > I'm quite sure it was during The Robots -- > During which songs did they leave stage at the other concerts? They *leave* stage during "Musique non stop", during "The Robots" they don't *leave*, because they're not on stage at all. I hope you're not bothered by my exactness (or maybe over-exactness). I was just curious whether they used a new variant in Lund, being on stage during parts of "The Robots". Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 29 Jan 96 23:00:54 CET Subject: During or before "The Robots"? Really-From: marcus@karkis.canit.se (Marcus Ohlstrom) >> Was it really *during* "The Robots", or maybe *before* "The Robots"? >> Please don't mind my question, but if they really left *during* "The >> Robots", it was very different from the other 1991 concerts. >> Klaus Zaepke kcu> I'm quite sure it was during The Robots -- I remember well how the kcu> only Kraftwerkians on stage were mechanical ones, or were perhaps the kcu> robots in operation during any other song in the set? kcu> During which songs did they leave stage at the other concerts? I think you missunderstood what Klaus wrote above. To be off the scene during the song they have to leave it before, just a difference in the way you say the same thing in english and in swedish. I didn't see the show in Lund which is the one Gustav is talking about, but I saw the one in Stockholm, and here they left before The Robots and re-entered directly after. Marcus Ohlstrom (marcus@karkis.canit.se) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:27:44 +0000 Subject: Re: During or before "The Robots"? Really-From: "Gustav.Holmberg" > Date: 29 Jan 96 23:00:54 CET > Organization: Karkis BBS, Stockholm, Sweden > From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) > To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu > Subject: During or before "The Robots"? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that > says: 'unsubscribe kraftwerk' and 'unsubscribe kraftwerk-digest' in the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: marcus@karkis.canit.se (Marcus Ohlstrom) > > > >> Was it really *during* "The Robots", or maybe *before* "The Robots"? > >> Please don't mind my question, but if they really left *during* "The > >> Robots", it was very different from the other 1991 concerts. > > >> Klaus Zaepke > > kcu> I'm quite sure it was during The Robots -- I remember well how the > kcu> only Kraftwerkians on stage were mechanical ones, or were perhaps the > kcu> robots in operation during any other song in the set? > > kcu> During which songs did they leave stage at the other concerts? > > I think you missunderstood what Klaus wrote above. To be off the scene during > the song they have to leave it before, just a difference in the way you say the > same thing in english and in swedish. Yes, you're right -- sloppy reading on my part. > > I didn't see the show in Lund which is the one Gustav is talking about, but I > saw the one in Stockholm, and here they left before The Robots and re-entered > directly after. > > Marcus Ohlstrom (marcus@karkis.canit.se) > > - ---------------------------------------------------------- Gustav Holmberg, PhD student, History of Science and Ideas Lund University, Sweden. Gustav.Holmberg@fil.lu.se http://www.df.lth.se/~wilt ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:27:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Kraftwerk sighting? Really-From: Thomas Josef Widner Hello all, The other day while I was watching MTV, a certain promo they were airing got my attention. For the soundtrack they were using "telephone call" from Electric Cafe. At the very end of the segment, I could swear I saw a member of Kraftwerk (or one of their robots!) talking on a phone! Did anyone else see this? Kraftwerk forever, T. J. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:00:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: Kraftwerk In the U.S.? Really-From: cobra1 (Eric Knight) I would like to Say "Hello!" to all the fellow Kraftwerk fans around the world as I just joined the list! My question is: has Kraftwerk ever toured in the U.S.A.? I Have been a Devoted fan since I first heard "NUMBERS". I have been Scouring the news & underground for any/all information on their tours & schedules with limited success. Thank you! Eric Knight cobra1@industry-dm.com ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #449 *******************************