From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #514 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 1 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 514 Kraftwerk write songs about curtains????????????? Re: Kraftwerk write songs about curtains????????????? Michael Rother FFN Interview "Robots and Computers" Re: Michael Rother FFN Interview Re: Kraftwerk write songs about curtains????????????? "Computerwelt" lyrics Re: "Computerwelt" lyrics ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 15:39:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: Kraftwerk write songs about curtains????????????? Really-From: David Davis oh for God's sake! the lyric is most indisputeably "Elegance and decadence" those cleopatra reissues' sleeve notes were obviously knocked off in about 5 minutes by some one who barely heard of the band... (eg synthorama sequencers...) Just go and get a copy of the original LP will you! personally , I'm off to suck some serious analogue... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 12:56:09 -0300 (EST) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk write songs about curtains????????????? Really-From: Eduardo Marcel Macan > oh for God's sake! > the lyric is most indisputeably "Elegance and decadence" Well, sice the first time I listened to it I found it to be "elegance and decadence", but all this mailing on this subject made me wonder if it was intended to be ambiguous, maybe they just wanted us to be here trying to tell whether it is "thick curtains" or "decadence" when it's both :) after all they always liked to play with words and their meanings. When I first heard Radio Activity, I noticed many little details that made me love the album... the "Ohm, Sweet ohm" has two other meanings for me, "Home, sweet home" and "On, switch on" ... have you LP owners noticed that the Geiger counter sound in 'Geiger counter' accelerates as the arm goes toward the second track that is called 'Radioactivity' ??? That incorporates another element to the music, the pickup's hardware (!) your turntable becomes part of the music, that is far beyond anything I saw in POP music ... and that is wonderful... Eduardo +--> "endless... endless..." --+ | | P.S. Help with English is always welcome! Send comments to macan@dcc.unicamp.br ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 18:19:13 +0000 Subject: Michael Rother FFN Interview Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de There was a rumour that the three NEU!-CD-re-releases on GERMANOFON were no bootlegs, but authorisied by NEU!. In a radio interview for German Radio FFN three weeeks ago Michael Rother confirmed that this was a false rumour. The reason why these recordings are not officially available at the moment is apparently Klaus Dinger, who seems to have unrealistic ideas of the value of the rights. An offer from Mute Records was turned down because of that reason. Rother said further that the recent release of the previously unreleased fourth NEU!-LP from 1986 in Japan was unauthorised and will be forbidden. Finally he mentioned that the old Harmonia material will be officially re-released on CD this year, probably together with previously unreleased archive material as extra tracks. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 18:19:13 +0000 Subject: "Robots and Computers" Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > I listened to one of those $100 sample CDs called "Robots and > Computers". > This disc is aimed squarely at musicians wanting to be like Kraftwerk The marketing campaign for this release tries to give the impression that the CD is authorized by Kraftwerk themselves. I guess that this is in fact not the case, or is it? Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 12:52:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Michael Rother FFN Interview Really-From: Curryous@aol.com Rother also just released a new album Esperanza. The Harmonia tracks will be released on a compilation featuring work from both Harmonia albums this year. This will be the first release for Harmonia music in the U.S. There will be at least two tracks on previously unreleased material on it. The Harmonia track "Sehr Kosmiche" will be released on the forthcoming Cleopatra "Space Box" 3-CD set.. Moebius and Roedelius (Cluster, 2/3 of Harmonia) will tour the US for the first time starting in San Francisco on June 29. There will be more Harmonia related activity in 1997. Russ Curry Curious Music ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 14:14:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk write songs about curtains????????????? Really-From: gewither@mailbox.syr.edu (gewither) >-- Really-From: Eduardo Marcel Macan >> oh for God's sake! >> the lyric is most indisputeably "Elegance and decadence" > Well, sice the first time I listened to it I found it to be >"elegance and decadence", but all this mailing on this subject made >me wonder if it was intended to be ambiguous, maybe they just wanted us >to be here trying to tell whether it is "thick curtains" or "decadence" >when it's both :) after all they always liked to play with words and their >meanings. When I first heard Radio Activity, I noticed many little details >that made me love the album... the "Ohm, Sweet ohm" has two other meanings >for me, "Home, sweet home" and "On, switch on" ... have you LP owners noticed >that the Geiger counter sound in 'Geiger counter' accelerates as the arm goes >toward the second track that is called 'Radioactivity' ??? That incorporates >another element to the music, the pickup's hardware (!) your turntable >becomes part of the music, that is far beyond anything I saw in POP music ... >and that is wonderful... > Eduardo > +--> "endless... endless..." --+ > | | >P.S. Help with English is always welcome! Send comments to >macan@dcc.unicamp.br Not to mention that the morese code at the beginning actually spells Radioactivity! Jerry Withers Only Amiga //// A2000/950HD 030/882/17Mb 50Mhz //// makes A2386 & VGA & 150MB HD gewither@.mailbox.syr.edu \\\\//// it A2230 GVP Spectrum 28/24 \\\///possible! AmigaD0S 3.1 CD-ROM --- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 31 Mar 96 22:02:32 CET Subject: "Computerwelt" lyrics Really-From: marcus@karkis.canit.se (Marcus Ohlstrom) kcu> Translation: kcu> Interpol and Deutsche Bank, kcu> FBI and Scotland Yard, kcu> Flensburg and the BKA What is Flensburg? And BKA? I think they said "KGB" when they played in Stockholm 1991, is BKA the german name of KGB? Marcus Ohlstrom (marcus@karkis.canit.se) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 23:22:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: "Computerwelt" lyrics Really-From: gewither@mailbox.syr.edu (gewither) >-- Really-From: marcus@karkis.canit.se (Marcus Ohlstrom) kcu>> Translation: kcu>> Interpol and Deutsche Bank, kcu>> FBI and Scotland Yard, kcu>> Flensburg and the BKA >What is Flensburg? And BKA? I think they said "KGB" when they played in >Stockholm 1991, is BKA the german name of KGB? Flensburg is a city on the Northern border to Denmark. It is where all the traffic violation records are kept for all of Germany. BKA = Bundeskriminalamt. It is the German FBI > Marcus Ohlstrom (marcus@karkis.canit.se) Jerry Withers Only Amiga //// A2000/950HD 030/882/17Mb 50Mhz //// makes A2386 & VGA & 150MB HD gewither@.mailbox.syr.edu \\\\//// it A2230 GVP Spectrum 28/24 \\\///possible! AmigaD0S 3.1 CD-ROM ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #514 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #515 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 2 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 515 Geiger counter acceleration? Re: ELEKTRIC MUSIC Re: Geiger counter acceleration? Re: Geiger counter acceleration? Re: ANALOG! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 1996 20:22:11 +0100 Subject: Geiger counter acceleration? Really-From: Paulo Mouat > have you LP owners noticed that the Geiger counter sound in 'Geiger > counter' accelerates as the arm goes toward the second track that is > called 'Radioactivity' ??? That incorporates another element to the > music, the pickup's hardware (!) your turntable becomes part of the > music, that is far beyond anything I saw in POP music ... and > that is wonderful... I may be outrageously missing something here... I have the CD and the sound accelerates, as you state. The sound just accelerates to become the "bass drum" transient on Radioactivity. Ate' a proxima, Eduardo. Best! - -- ********************************* Paulo Mouat, mouat@telepac.pt ********************************* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:01:33 +0000 Subject: Re: ELEKTRIC MUSIC Really-From: "Jeroen" > > HI DAVID, > Former ANTHROPOMORPHIC/BPM drummer DAN SLATZZ gave me a tape > of Elektric Music's Esperanto album the other day. Have you heard > this? I think it is awful! Way worse than Electric Cafe or The Mix. > The first track 'TV' uses mellotron samples, synclavier voices and > the drum sounds from the last 2 KW albums, but all thrown together > carelessly to make a kind of 'ultimate' Kraftwerk sound which just > ends up sounding like a charicature/KW coverband. And the others > sound like somewhere between dreadful Euro-advertmusic and New Order > (New Order I like)- nearer the admusic though. It sounds very dated, > even for 91. Let's hope Ralph and Florian have heard Autechre! > Kraftwerk somehow seems like a very familiar/boring topic to type > about... > > Well I had some troubles with it too. You just have to lsiten to it a whole day long. Maybe then you'll like. But it's surely quit different from the 'normal' KW stuff. I think i a way interesting Groeten ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "All that we see or seek is but a dream within a dream" Edgar A. Poe Jeroen J. Geerts jjgeerts@worldaccess.nl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:34:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Geiger counter acceleration? Really-From: "Gerald E. Withers" Something along the lines of the Radioactivity speedup. Has anyone noticed that at the end of Computerliebe (on the German Computerwelt CD) ther is at the last second a major slowdown? You have to listen carefully but it is there. It almost sounds like they recorded it off the vinyl and just turned the moter off shortly before the song was done. Jerry Withers Only Amiga //// A2000/100HD 030/882/5Mb 50Mhz 401 Euclid Ave //// makes A2386 & VGA 150MB HD Syracuse N.Y. 13210 \\\\//// it A2230 GVP Spectrum 28/24 gewither@.mailbox.syr.edu \\\///possible! AmigaD0S 3.1 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:31:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Geiger counter acceleration? Really-From: "Gerald E. Withers" On Thu, 4 Jan 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Paulo Mouat > > > > have you LP owners noticed that the Geiger counter sound in 'Geiger > > counter' accelerates as the arm goes toward the second track that is > > called 'Radioactivity' ??? That incorporates another element to the > > music, the pickup's hardware (!) your turntable becomes part of the > > music, that is far beyond anything I saw in POP music ... and > > that is wonderful... > > I may be outrageously missing something here... I have the CD and the > sound accelerates, as you state. The sound just accelerates to become > the "bass drum" transient on Radioactivity. You didn't miss a thing. > > Ate' a proxima, Eduardo. > Best! Jerry Withers Only Amiga //// A2000/100HD 030/882/5Mb 50Mhz 401 Euclid Ave //// makes A2386 & VGA 150MB HD Syracuse N.Y. 13210 \\\\//// it A2230 GVP Spectrum 28/24 gewither@.mailbox.syr.edu \\\///possible! AmigaD0S 3.1 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 21:39:26 -0500 Subject: Re: ANALOG! Really-From: SINBYTE@aol.com I have a rather simple question---I've invested a lot of time, effort, feeling and emotion for the projects i've been working on and wonder if any one knows of anyone interested in listening to my pieces? Any One Out There? P.S. any one heard of that band 'Arthur Dent and Deeper Than Space'???? what is it and how good is it? ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #515 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #516 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 3 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 516 Re: Geiger counter acceleration? Decadent Kraftwerk? "Robots and Computers" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 10:37:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Geiger counter acceleration? Really-From: JON ALSBURY > noticed that at the end of Computerliebe (on the German Computerwelt CD) > ther is at the last second a major slowdown? You have to listen carefully yeah, i've noticed this - many of the mixes are different from to UK EMI version too. I've got the French version of this also and as far as I can tell, it's identical to the English version in every repect, except for the vocals on 'Pocket Calculator' which are sung in French - 'Mini Calculator' Apart from the extra German lyric 'because time is money', the really noticible difference is on 'Pocket Calculator' where many of the 'bleeps' are different / missing and some of the drums are different too. I've known and loved these records since I was a child, so when I first heard the German versions, the slight changes stuck out straight away. Does anyone know if this is the case with any of the other albums? Jon "synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:50:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Decadent Kraftwerk? Really-From: Jonathan Daniel Alsbury 93111665 > >From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu > >of what is understood to be a lush aspect of European life and living. I > >sincerely doubt that KW would have said "Elegance and decadence" for a > > From: Lenpacnw@nwlink.com > anyone who would celebrate meeting Iggy Pop and David Bowie in Berlin would > have a high probability of being on friendly terms with the concept of > decadence. I couldn't agree more! ;-) Jon "By pressing down a special key it plays a little melody" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 05:47:33 -0500 Subject: "Robots and Computers" Really-From: NDKent@aol.com > I listened to one of those $100 sample CDs called "Robots and > Computers". > This disc is aimed squarely at musicians wanting to be like Kraftwerk >>The marketing campaign for this release tries to give the impression >>that the CD is authorized by Kraftwerk themselves. I guess that this is in fact >>not the case, or is it? >> Klaus Zaepke In the U.S. ads and the one U.K. one I've seen no direct connection with Kraftwerk is implied. The cover has 4 "Robots" on it and the lettering is yellow green and bitmapped. That might fool a few people.The ad copy says "This collection is a must for fans of electronic music and Kraftwerk." I didn't listen to the whole thing, but effort seems to have been made by Best Service to record any "off the shelf" equipment that Kraftwerk used and to attempt to recreate Kraftwerk sounds with various levels of sucess. Nick Kent opinion: Zero chance this item has any actual connection to Kraftwerk. nicholas Kent ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #516 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #517 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 4 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 517 Robots and Computers Re: Robots and Computers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 14:32:37 -0500 Subject: Robots and Computers Really-From: JAMESDADA@aol.com Hi folks....sick of lurking so here's my first post, hope I've done it right...and sincere apologies from this klutz if I have not. Here goes: Doug Terrebonne's CD-R has made me the happiest mensch in die welt. And where might I get this cd of samples "Robots and Computers" mentioned here. Thanks JD (who wrote a brief (and somewhat flawed) history of Kraftwerk that appeared as an Elektra ad for The Mix in DETAILS magazine) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 19:52:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Robots and Computers Really-From: Nthings@aol.com what is robots and computers????? ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #517 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #518 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 5 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 518 Aktivitaet 7 - '20 Years on the Autobahn' NEW Interview with RH Re: ELEKTRIC MUSIC Re: "Robots and Computers" Re: Aktivitaet 7 - '20 Years on the Autobahn' Re: Aktivitaet 7 - '20 Years on the Autobahn' Re: Decadent Kraftwerk? Re: ELEKTRIC MUSIC Re: ELEKTRIC MUSIC Erasure's "Chertsey Endlos" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 04 Apr 96 14:01:52 EST Subject: Aktivitaet 7 - '20 Years on the Autobahn' Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@compuserve.com> '20 Years on the Autobahn' The 'Autobahn' LP under the spotlight, By B. Cassidy (Aktivitaet 7, September 1995) Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * In 1974, electronic music was to take one its greatest steps towards popularity. The album responsible for this was of course 'Autobahn'. The music of the future or the past? The fact that 'Autobahn' is possibly Kraftwerk's most widely- issued album speaks for itself. The album is a monumental 'tour de force' in the genre of electronic music mainly because of its 22'42" title track. At its time of release it was much more appreciated outside of Germany, especially in the U.K. and the U.S., which is strange since what few lyrics were present were all in German! Before 'Autobahn' it was virtually unknown for a foreign band to be considered commercially viable if they sung in anything but English. Just another one of those things that we have come to expect Kraftwerk to dismiss... The 'Autobahn' LP was further evidence that Kraftwerk were truly committed to integrating electronics within their music. This is not to say that all traditional instrumentation had been abandoned at this time though, Florian's flutes are still as present as Ralf's organ and piano. Despite the presence of such old instruments it's the new-fangled equipment that really makes this album shine, even today. This album was born to be played whilst travelling on the motorway, it's the perfect accompaniment music. If you don't believe me try it yourself, preferably at night for optimum effect. As far as the development of group image and presentation, things had not progressed too much from previous LP's. The original German LP front cover featured the well known road scene painting by Emil Schult, which is quaint but befitting. More interesting though is the back of the LP, which shows the then current Kraftwerk line-up for the first time, all four of them positively crammed into the back seat of the Volkswagen Beetle, as featured on the front cover. In the mid-seventies this image was probably quite acceptable but looking at it now is a surreal experience, especially for one who is used to Kraftwerk's modern presentation, which certainly doesn't include long hair, great smiles and very odd looking items of clothing! On the other hand though, and in stark contrast, we have the U.K. issue, which was quite simply an embossed reproduction of a blue and white motorway sign. This was much more fitting than the German issue and is in keeping with Kraftwerk's effective minimalism. I'm almost positive that all of you who are reading have heard the 'Autobahn' album, and doubtless very fond of it. However, for the sake of information I have included some of my personal observations below on each individual track. The album as a whole has a much more consistent theme than any previous Kraftwerk albums, i.e. a journey on the motorway, but the music is anything but consistent... 'Autobahn', the title track which managed to create a modern sheen to the term electronic music and almost single-handedly props up the entire album. It could be said that this track is in fact several tracks which have been linked and interwoven, but take heed, it has been done with faultless skill. From the simple untreated stereo recording of someone entering a vehicle and driving into the distance, to the heavily synthesized, almost demonic, chants of "autobahn", the track starts as triumphantly as it finishes. From here onwards we are treated to subtle repetitive ditties which are obviously derived from classical ideas, mainly due to the presence of Florian's elegant flutes and pleasant guitar. What changes all this in to modern music though is the use of synthesis and droll German lyrics. Heavy synthesizer sweeps shoot from one speaker to the other with an effective electronic percussion present throughout the track with a mechanical style that accompanies the thoughts of motorway travel perfectly. The German lyrics are mostly references to motorway scenery, but the most interesting part is its ever present 'verse' - 'Wir Fahr'n Fahr'n Fahr'n Auf Der Autobahn' (We Drive Drive Drive On The Autobahn) which sounds amazingly like 'Fun, Fun, Fun On The Autobahn', something I'm sure you've all noticed. I've often wondered if Kraftwerk intended this or if it is just a bizarre coincidence. As the track progresses we see (sonically!) the music changing continuously from mood music to primitive electronic pop. Considering it's overall minimalism I still find it amazing that they dragged it out to over 20 minutes without making any of it boring. No mean feat, and it's a classic without doubt. Definitely one of the most important stepping stones in Kraftwerk's early career. 'Kometenmelodie 1/Kometenmelodie 2'; These two tracks follow on nicely from the majestic first track, probably due to the continuation of some of the same sounds and percussion, but are somehow less interesting. The first part being a slow rendition of the catchy second part. Both being simple crescendos of the musical scale, with the exception of a Status Quo like bass line in the much speeded up second part complete with its 'I've run out of octaves to play' finale. Both are very effective but the second part has dated a little and could be considered a bit corny or self indulgent, but it's all part of the fun that is to be had on a journey on the motorway! Such is Kraftwerk's humour... 'Mitternacht', or, as we English speakers say - midnight. This track is a bit of a throwback to the previous albums with its lack of solid musical structure, i.e. no decent tune! It is however atmospheric and thankfully only lasts for a few minutes. Some of the effects here are interesting with dog like 'howls' and electronic 'drips' but ultimately you can't wait for it to finish so you can witness the delights of... 'Morgenspaziergang', less commonly known as morning walk. This jolly offering is surprisingly nice, starting off with misleading fuzzy electronic radio-like effects this track evolves into pure classical music. Much presence is felt from the piano and flute each taking turn in playing a part of the lusciously indulgent melody. The music again, like most Kraftwerk offerings at any point, is complex yet simple. There's a lot going on most of the time yet the tune is amazingly minimal. It is the perfect curtain closer for an impressive album. It is harmonious, melodic and pleasant. It's also one of the last times that Kraftwerk were to use traditional instruments, perhaps it was a farewell track in more than one sense of the word. That's it. The 'Autobahn' album in all its glory. There are not a lot of people I know who don't find it at least interesting. Even to the initiated the title track is still surreal and genuinely ground breaking, I mean, why on earth would four German guys want to sing along to electronic noises about driving on a motorway! You could never envisage that such an issue could be made as elegant and interesting as this, and that's the point of Autobahn. It's not pretentious, with any kind of hidden message to the world, it is what it is, an unbiased, barely informative musical journey. When listening to the album today you get the feeling that if it was recorded again it wouldn't sound the same, even if the same equipment was used. Like most early Kraftwerk albums it feels very 'live' in places, very 'human' even which gives this album an unrepeatable, singular feel. I could go on and on as to how this album in particular effected mid-seventies to late eighties pop but the results of time present themselves clearly in those eras. 'Autobahn' is timeless, to such a degree that I would warrant another write up on it in another 21 years time... - - END - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 21:08:29 +0100 Subject: NEW Interview with RH Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) The following interview with RH appeared in the niche publication "Musik - Electronik it is" on 01/04/96. Richard Sole was able to discuss life, the future and the past with RH. RS: It is a long time since any new material was released, what is happening? RH: We have always followed the basic rule of quality over quantity. There will be NEW material and its quality will be.......(RH laughs) unsurpassable. RS: Can you reveal more about the new material, eg when will it appear, will it have a theme, and will it break new ground for electronic music? RH: It will appear when it is ready. Having spent so long on it we will not compromise the final stages just to enable the record company to set a release date and book us on TV. We may suffer through selling less because of this, but the record will be something we are proud of.........that is the main thing. It will break new ground, but you'll have to wait and see. We are interested in the emergence of new technologies which are truly turning the world into a Global Village. Computers are enabling the creation of new worlds all around us. RS: Are you saying the new album is virtually complete? If so will you be touring this year to support it? RH: I didn't say when new material will be released. It is approaching completion. If it is complete tomorrow it will be released tomorrow, in next year it will be released next year. Not before it is ready. There are reasons for us NOT touring, although personally I would like to. Other elements in the band don't allow it. RS: You mean FS! RH: WE all have our own reasons and interests. RS: You mean FS doesn't want to tour! RH: We have our own reasons (RH laughs). RS: Years ago you talked about sending robots on tour instead, has the technology advanced enough to do this yet? RH: I would like to play a world tour in one night with concerts at multiple venues across the world remotely supervised by us. The robot technology hasn't advanced enough on its own. However, holograms, large screen displays and 3D viewing displays are here or will be shortly. There will be a place for the robots, but it will be integrated with these other technologies. RS: Technology is the essence of you. Are you aware that a Kraftwerk home page and internet discussion group exist? RH: The internet (RH Smiles)...... "I programme my home computer". The internet is the successor to the home computer. It is part of the world today. It is inevitable that some of Kraftwerks fans will discuss Kraftwerk on the internet. RS: Do you follow the discussions? RH: I don't have the internet, FS may, I really don't know. Whether we do or not is not the issue. Its like saying do you drink coffee. If people enjoy it and find it beneficial thats fine. The above is the first half of the exclusive interview FS has given. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 21:17:22 +0100 Subject: Re: ELEKTRIC MUSIC Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >Really-From: "Jeroen" > > >> >> HI DAVID, >> Former ANTHROPOMORPHIC/BPM drummer DAN SLATZZ gave me a tape >> of Elektric Music's Esperanto album the other day. Have you heard >> this? I think it is awful! Way worse than Electric Cafe or The Mix. >> The first track 'TV' uses mellotron samples, synclavier voices and >> the drum sounds from the last 2 KW albums, but all thrown together >> carelessly to make a kind of 'ultimate' Kraftwerk sound which just >> ends up sounding like a charicature/KW coverband. And the others >> sound like somewhere between dreadful Euro-advertmusic and New Order >> (New Order I like)- nearer the admusic though. It sounds very dated, >> even for 91. Let's hope Ralph and Florian have heard Autechre! >> Kraftwerk somehow seems like a very familiar/boring topic to type >> about... >> I couldn't agree more. In fact its quite embarassing to consider they used to be in Kraftwerk. It goes to show that all the rubbish tracks which Kraftwerk have released can be blamed on BARTOS etc. We now have someone to blame for Electric Cafe (the whole album), Pocket Calculator (utter drivel which makes laugh when I think that Kraftwerk were responsible for it. Worse than that it appeared on arguably the greatest electronic album of all time! I'm sure his input on Man Machine was VERY LITTLE, whatever the sleeve may say!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 21:23:33 +0100 Subject: Re: "Robots and Computers" Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >Really-From: NDKent@aol.com > > >> I listened to one of those $100 sample CDs called "Robots and >> Computers". >> This disc is aimed squarely at musicians wanting to be like Kraftwerk > >>>The marketing campaign for this release tries to give the impression >>>that the CD is authorized by Kraftwerk themselves. I guess that this is in >fact >>>not the case, or is it? > >>> Klaus Zaepke > >In the U.S. ads and the one U.K. one I've seen no direct connection with >Kraftwerk is implied. The cover has 4 "Robots" on it and the lettering is >yellow green and bitmapped. That might fool a few people.The ad copy says >"This collection is a must for fans of electronic music and Kraftwerk." I >didn't listen to the whole thing, but effort seems to have been made by Best >Service to record any "off the shelf" equipment that Kraftwerk used and to >attempt to recreate Kraftwerk sounds with various levels of sucess. > >Nick Kent opinion: Zero chance this item has any actual connection to >Kraftwerk. > >nicholas Kent > An informed opinion I should say, your certainly on the ball here. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 21:43:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Aktivitaet 7 - '20 Years on the Autobahn' Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) > >'20 Years on the Autobahn' >The 'Autobahn' LP under the spotlight, By B. Cassidy >(Aktivitaet 7, September 1995) > I read the article about Autobahn with much interest. My only complaint is that we should remember that Autobahn is NOT the be all and end all of Kraftwerk. In my opinion it is very good, but not in the same class as TEE, Man Machine or the classic Computer World (apart from Pocket Calculator). This album was first previewed in the UK on Tomorrows World. Does anyone have this on video? Brian ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 17:01:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Aktivitaet 7 - '20 Years on the Autobahn' Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com I am actually more fond of the second side of autobahn than the first. Both sides are wonderful - but when I play the album, I usually start with the second side. The comet melody songs are absolutely wonderful...I find nothing wrong with either of them at all - they are both perfect. And mitternacht - i absolutely cannot say that I "cannot wait for it to end" because it, too, is perfect in its minimal glory. And morning walk - well, of course it's good. The beginning sounds are most likely emulations of streams and birds - and I would rather have electronic streams than real ones anyday. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 21:21:52 +0100 Subject: Re: Decadent Kraftwerk? Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >Really-From: Jonathan Daniel Alsbury 93111665 > > > >> >From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu >> >of what is understood to be a lush aspect of European life and living. I >> >sincerely doubt that KW would have said "Elegance and decadence" for a >> >> From: Lenpacnw@nwlink.com >> anyone who would celebrate meeting Iggy Pop and David Bowie in Berlin would >> have a high probability of being on friendly terms with the concept of >> decadence. > >I couldn't agree more! ;-) > >Jon > >"By pressing down a special key it plays a little melody" > > Most definetely. Only Playstation makes it possible! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 19:14:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: ELEKTRIC MUSIC Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu At 09:17 PM 4/4/96 +0100, bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) wrote: >I couldn't agree more. In fact its quite embarassing to consider they used >to be in Kraftwerk. It goes to show that all the rubbish tracks which >Kraftwerk have released can be blamed on BARTOS etc. We now have someone to >blame for Electric Cafe (the whole album), Pocket Calculator (utter drivel >which makes laugh when I think that Kraftwerk were responsible for it. Worse >than that it appeared on arguably the greatest electronic album of all time! >I'm sure his input on Man Machine was VERY LITTLE, whatever the sleeve may >say!!!!!!!! My response to this is simple and to the point. Not all of us consider 'Electric Cafe' to be a disaster, so please do not try to make it sound like "we" (collectively) "feel that we now have someone to blame for Electric Cafe". I happen to think that 'Electric Cafe' is an excellent album which contains 2 of my all-time personal favorites, "The Telephone Call" and "Music Non-Stop". Furthermore, I find that all 6 tracks on this record are noteworthy as great KW music. In fact, I hesitate to try and come up with even one KW song that I feel is "less than quality". On a similar note, I find that "Pocket Calculator" is also one of KW's finer and more monumental songs, having achieved the status of a single in 1981 and having been recorded in more languages than probably any other KW song, not to mention its bold re-emergence on 'The Mix'. All in all, my basic point here is that this "we" you refer to has to go. Each of us must speak for ourselves and ourselves only. What is crap to one man may be gold to another. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "I am adding...and subtracting..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:37:47 -0500 Subject: Re: ELEKTRIC MUSIC Really-From: Nthings@aol.com i think electric music is a good band. Electric Cafe was great. AND WHATS WRONG WITH POCKET CALCULATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 23:03:35 -0500 Subject: Erasure's "Chertsey Endlos" Really-From: prabhu@cs.umass.edu (Rajesh Prabhu) Hi folks, Erasure has a song called "Chertsey Endlos" on their new CD-single "Rock Me Gently" --- I was curious about the title, and wondering if it was a nod to "Europa Endlos" ... So I picked it up (possibly my only chance to own a Czech CD, but that's beside the point). Well, the song starts off like it might be a Kraftwerk tune, but then reverts to a typical synth-pop melody not unlike the other Erasure tunes. Does anybody have "inside info" whether the title has anything to do with Kraftwerk or is it just a coincidence? There's no attribution to K'werk anywhere on the liner notes, so it's probably the latter, but then who knows? Vince Clarke is one of the pioneers of synth-music, and Erasure's already done an Abba tribute mini-album ..... - -- Rajesh (prabhu@cs.umass.edu) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #518 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #519 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 6 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 519 new kraftwerk interview Re: Aktivitaet 7 - '20 Years on the Autobahn' Re: Robots and Computers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:12:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: new kraftwerk interview Really-From: carpe noctem thanks for posting that new interview with ralf!! please give us the second half when it's possible. ______________________________ jwgrote@silver.ucs.indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 13:52:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Aktivitaet 7 - '20 Years on the Autobahn' Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Perhaps "fahn fahn fahn" was in fact meant to sound like "fun fun fun"--Kraftwerk have often expressed their admiration for the Beach Boys, and I'm sure you're all familiar with the Beach Boys hit, "Fun Fun Fun." In fact, I wonder if "Fun Fun Fun" was the inspiration for "Autobahn"...??!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:14:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Robots and Computers Really-From: NDKent@aol.com "Robots and Computers" is a US$100 audio cd or $200 cd-rom available in Akai, Emu, Ensoniq, K2000, Roland, SampleCell format. That is the going rate for discs aimed at musicians that are intentionally free of copyright and can be used to create "new" material. This one is from the German company Best Service. It is a whole disc of vocoded or synthesized words and synthesizer and drum samples that try to emulate mostly Computerworld era KW. The cover art of bitmapped yellow-green letters and 4 Robots is meant to evoke you know who. Most musical instrument stores that sell new samplers will stock the disc. Big ones have a CD player to listen to it beforehand. Magazines aimed at electronic musicians will probably have an ad for mail/phone orders. I don't care to promote this product any further besides saying there are some interesting sounds on it. IMHO buying the disc would say "I'm a Kraftwerk wannabe who can't produce my own sounds". Perhaps a less insulting way to put it is "I like Kraftwerk's sounds, I only have a sampler, I don't want to get sued if I use actual KW samples in my song." For whatever its worth Klaus Schulze, Vince Clarke, Georgio Moroder, Keith Emerson, Paul Hardcastle and J.J.Jeczalik from Art of Noise and others all have this kind of disc out, which they --do-- endorse. (Unlike this disc, where connection to Kraftwerk is implied through the sounds and art though there is no actual connection) What is generally done is someone pays well known artists to stick their name on the disc and then is given permission to sample their samples and synth patches off their keyboards. The big name artists have little to do with the discs besides letting the disc makers DAT their keyboards and the use of their names. In the cases of some of the above names who don't have much in the way of work anymore they might have had more of a hands-on approach to making the discs. As a footnote perhaps Texas Instruments, makers of Speak and Spell could sue for using their melodies/name etc seemingly without permission but I doubt it. I guess Best Service figures if KW recorded it, so can they. - --Nicholas D. Kent-- http://users.aol.com/ndkent/music.html someone who's got real analog gear ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #519 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #520 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 7 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 520 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 09:02:23 -0500 Subject: Autobahn Review Really-From: mach25@indy.net (Fred Becker) I believe there is another slightly different translation of "Wir Fahr'n Farh'n Farh'n aug der Autobahn." It could also mean "We're traveling traveling traveling on the Autobahn." This I base on my memory of high school German classes. Is this correct? Conny Plank also played an important role in the creation of the Autobahn track. He was the engineer on the album. After Kraftwerk split from him, he went on to produce a classic Harmonia track, Deluxe (Immer Wieder), a ten-minute opus very much like Autobahn in having a symphonic (?) structure and upbeat melodies. I wonder if Conny hoped it would be his next big U.S. hit? I wish it would have happened that way. His masterful recording techniques and ability to foster creativity in musicians give Autobahn its uniqueness. I feel the Mix version of Autobahn is great too, however, every bit as fun as the original. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 09:10:18 -0500 Subject: Re Robots and Computers Really-From: mach25@indy.net (Fred Becker) I received a catalog of sample CD-ROMs from a company called East West of Beverly Hills, CA. The Robots and Computers one is featured on page 27 and listed as produced by Best Service. Here is East West's description of the CD: The electronic invasion of machines and computers continues. This collection is a must for fans of electronic music and Kraftwerk. ROBOTS & COMPUTERS features: hundreds of electronic synths & drum sounds originating from private collections, rhythm sequences, drum loops (exactly tuned to BPM), analog synths, basses, crystal organs, pads and strings etc. There is also an extensive Vocoder section and computer language rarities. This collection is a real treasure box of electronic sounds. You get over 2000 analog & digital specialties from the past to the future. ROBOTS & COMPUTERS comes from Germany - the home of techno music. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 06 Apr 96 10:01:39 EST Subject: Aktivitaet 3 - 'Live 1975' Review Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@compuserve.com> Kraftwerk Live at the Free Trade Hall, Manchester, 1975 by Ian Floyd (Aktivitaet 3 - January 1993) Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * It's difficult trying to write an article about an event that happened over 15 years ago, (nearly half my lifetime ago!), but here goes: The date was Sunday 15th September 1975. The place, the Free Trade Hall in Manchester. The event - Kraftwerk's first ever Manchester appearance on their first ever UK tour. The gig was probably one of the worst ever attended at the Free Trade Hall. Was it because their first hit single, 'Autobahn', had been out of the charts for over 3 months and the follow-up, 'Kometenmelodie 2' had flopped? Was it because Santana were playing another large gig in Manchester that same night? Was it general apathy, that nobody was interested in a bunch of German weirdo's that didn't play 'proper' instruments? Whatever the reason, those who stayed away missed an incredible experience. It seems funny now, but most of us that attended wore patched jeans, platformed shoes, had long hair and some even sported traffic cones on their heads, that they had nickedfrom some roadworks somewhere in the middle of Manchester. The support act was a young lady by the name of A.J. Waller, a folk singer that I had never heard of and have never heard of since! She even got the audience (those that weren't in the bar) to sing along to one of her songs. Her only reference to Kraftwerk was that, earlier, she had nearly stood on one of their L1000 microphones - and got severely bollocked for it! The 'Voice of Energy' introduced us to "Die Mensch Maschine" and so entered Kraftwerk... To the left of the stage was Ralf Huetter, smartly dressed with a number of synthesizers in attendance. Next was Wolfgang Fluer and Karl Bartos, complete with 'biscuit tins' that were tapped with wired up 'knitting needles'. Finally, on the right, was Florian Schneider, unsmiling and playing synthesizer and various electronic woodwind instruments. I can't remember exactly in which order they played their numbers, but they played the following numbers off their previous LP's; 'Ruckzuck', 'Kling Klang', 'Tongebirge', 'Kristallo', 'Tanzmusik', 'Autobahn', 'Kometenmelodie 1', 'Kometenmelodie 2' and 'Mitternacht'. It was the first time in Britain that anybody had experienced electronic percussion. The drum beats were very loud and it was amazing to think that all that noise was being created by two blokes touching a small pad with a couple of thin sticks. From where I sat, near the front, I could even hear the patter of the drum sticks clicking on the drum pads. The stage lighting was not spectacular by any means, but their stage presence was enough to keep your attention. You daren't blink in case you missed any technical wizardry. Each member of the band all had their names in front of them in fluorescent lights in little glass boxes. There were two banks of half a dozen fluorescent light tubes backing the band. One bank was just in plain white bright light, the other bank was made up of six differently coloured tubes all switched on simultaneously at different periods in the show. Simple, but effective. Above the tubes, centre stage, was a screen showing stills of various images. Casting my mind back I seem to remember during the robot-voiced introduction, an image of an old, brown, brick wall, rather like a castle wall, showing an archway with the name 'Die Mensch Maschine' inscribed into the bricks above the arch. I definitely remember seeing a still of a comet during the performance of 'Kometenmelodie 1'. I remember Florian Schneider's fingers skilfully moving up and down his electronic flute during 'Tongebirge' and I remember the concentration and effort of both Wolfgang and Karl during the percussive parts of 'Autobahn' and 'Ruckzuck'. The former seemed to go on forever and was definitely the highlight of the night, which ended with a standing ovation. My final recollection was seeing an advert, on leaving the theatre, of a forthcoming LP of Kraftwerk's by the name of 'Radio- Activity'', which was "coming out soon on Capitol records". This showed a black and white photograph of the four Kraftwerk members, dressed immaculately as usual. I thought, "I'll buy that next week when it comes out." It finally hit the record racks six months later. . . A familiar story?! - - END - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:34:08 +0000 Subject: Re: Erasure's "Chertsey Endlos" Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > Erasure has a song called "Chertsey Endlos" on their new CD-single > "Rock Me Gently" --- I was curious about the title, and wondering if it > was a nod to "Europa Endlos" ... > So I picked it up (possibly my only chance to own a Czech CD, It has now also appeared in Germany (INT 826.679). > Well, the song starts off like it might be a Kraftwerk tune "The Hall of Mirrors"! > Does anybody have "inside info" whether the title has anything to do > with Kraftwerk or is it just a coincidence? There's no attribution to K'werk > anywhere on the liner notes, so it's probably the latter, but then who knows? According to an interview with Vince Clarke I've read somewhere the title is in fact meant as some kind of hommage to Kraftwerk. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 13:16:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Autobahn Review Really-From: slang@madison.k12.wi.us (SolVenT) >His masterful recording techniques and ability to foster creativity in >musicians give Autobahn its uniqueness. I feel the Mix version of Autobahn >is great too, however, every bit as fun as the original. I loved the new version of Autobahn but then when I finally heard the original I knew which one was the best. I love vinyl. JoN ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 13:38:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: DX7 Really-From: Brendan Heading >-- Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com >Kraftwerk used a DX-7? Yikes. For what - like where can I here an example >of this? Electric cafe i am guessing. DX-7 isn't a bad instrument but >programmers have to be creative to get anything really nifty out of it - the >presets and usuall stuff is very bland. >innovation...Electric Cafe sounds too much like something I could do in my >basement (minus Synclavier of course!) I'm pretty certain of it. It makes this very annoying, basic bell tone; it was used a lot to do a UK children's program with a character called "Pob" - you know the little guy who spat on the TV screen, then wiped it up. They used a lot of DX7 brass sounds. The DX7's hallmark bell tone is used LOTS on The Mix, esp in Autobahn (you know the first bit were Florian's flute takes the lead, and there's a whole flute solo ? That's replaced on the Mix by a version with a DX7 bell tone, and a bit shorter). I believe it's used a lot on EC but, I couldn't comment 'cos I haven't bought EC yet. Question: is it worth buying at all, or a Total waste of cash ? It's really a matter of opinion about the DX7 - you either love it or hate it. It's a programmer's machine; it's a bit like programming a computer microprocessor - very basic, cryptic commands, and very tedious indeed. So everyone used the crap presets. You wouldn't be missing a lot if you didn't have a synclavier, IMHO. |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 13:57:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: Next part of BBC radio documentary Really-From: Brendan Heading Here comes the next part of the KW documentary broadcast on BBC Radio several months ago. From me. Just before I start, can I remind you that the text is near enough exactly the words spoken by KW members, but sometimes their accents can be a bit unintelligible. Soz. I'll put in brackets () if the speech is unclear, and comments by me are in []. OK then... [Little bit of overlap here]. [playing "Airwaves"] KB: We had this idea of using an Electronic drumset, but there was none around at that time. So Florian came up with this idea of pulling an organ apart and using the built in drums, you know, those "duh-duh-dish" [does impersonation of Autobahn drums], built in drum-loops. So he pulled it apart and... we used it. Mark Sinker : I think they were quite likely the first people to rely on a drum machine in live performance. But the thing is that to start with, they actually made quite a thing of this, but they would be playing electronic percussion, and I think they actually did evolve and invent their own electronic pads. [this guy doesn't half waffle, I'll summarise in future] [Starts playing TEE]. Commentator: Though in the mean time they had released the album Radioactivity, KW's next major musical statement came in the form of a track and album names Trans Europe Express, in 1977, a hypnotic celebration of the famous TEE and it's epic journey accross Europe. The idea came from French Journalist and friend of the group, Paul Alasandrini, at the Gare de Lyon station in Paris. Paul: [This guy's accent makes life hard] I told them that from this station, you know, there was very very famous Trans Europe Express, train, and you (they) were very interested by that, and they were also very interested by the past of Europe [Think he's referring to the Train, not Europe!], and I just said, you could do a kind of Electronic blues, you know, about the train, you know. And they said, is a good idea, you know. Bartos: Matthew Schmidt, who used to work for, uh, our French record company, he had a train and put all the journalists on the Train, we went from Paris to [something] and back, and on the way back, we were all so bloody drunk [laughs a bit] and it turned out really good. So on the speakers of the train, we had Trans Europe Express, was good idea, good promo. [The Robots] Andy: After dealing with Euro-train travel, they wanted to do something that was more universal and global. So they picked on Man Machine as a concept, which is essesntially saying there's a marriage between man and machine, man is part machine, machine is part man. [Either Ralf or Florian, not sure]: He always had these strong relationships with ourselves and our music machines, we are always plugged into the electrical systems and we are always attached to our machines, and we produce sounds with musical machines, and to us it was quite direct, the man machine, because that's what we really are ,the incorporation of man and machine, sometimes we play our machines, and sometimes, they play us. Andy: They changed from becoming Showroom Dummies to becoming robots, and they decided that the group would have almost robot counterparts, so for the launch of Man Machine in Paris they came across the idea of robots dressed in the same uniforms as they dressed in the albums, and they were there almost as their spokesmen; they were launching the album and not the group themselves! Sinker: [summarised] The idea was that they would have the robots appearing simultaneously in various cities across the world to launch the album, because apparently they loathed touring. Comm: In Christmas 1981, one of the most strange and amusing chapters in KW's history occurred. Ousting Duran Duran, Shakin' Stevens and Cagigogo, KW had a number one single, with The Model. Bartos: Dusseldorf was a fashion city, and there were all these models around, and we thought, they are really artificial, and we had this robot idea, and it fit in the record. Artificial girls, female. Robots. Comm: But is this the kind of artificiality that KW themselves have so viciduously hidden behind ? Music Critic at the time, Stewart Cosgrove. Stew: They made the decision that they didn't want to get caught up in pop's kind of trap, you know, of the visibility and the nature of the permanance of youth, and the permanance of sexuality, you know, and the idea was to create an image that was timeless, and couldn't easily be permeated, they are really the Lord Lucans of pop, they should be disguised, hidden, you know, in a way. Flur: The importance of our secrecy was necessary for our privacy and work. We never wanted to be the idols for other people. We only wanted to make our music and of course we wanted to reach the people with our messages and melodies. [Neon Lights] Paul: They are strange people. I think that you have to [something about them being bourgeoise and classic] very, serious bourgeoise of Germany, you know, Ralf and Florian, I think they were supposed to be, you know, a kind of family for [rambles unintelligibly... Sorry guys] Bartos: Yeah, right from the beginning they were very shy, they didn't want other people involved except the ones who were working on the project, it's part of the concept but it's also part of their personalities ... they don't like to get close with other people, male or female, they are afraid of, what is it, the closeness, Intimacy. Comm: KW's bourgeois middle Euro background is unusualy for pop musicians, soa re KW's formative musical influences. As academic music students in the 1960s they were smitten by the avant-garde, and set about making their own electronic music. Sinker: The main musician in Germany at the time was Stockhausen, who spent the whole of the 50's and 60's making very strange technologically based music in the Cologne studios. It was of enormous importance to them. [Stockhausen music: Weird synth noises with tinkles on the piano. No structure or music or melody as such]. Bartos: Was like a constant improvisation, like, Jazz people do. You go into a cafe or a club... Constant process. [Autobahn] Andy: [talking bollocks] One of their main influences was the Beach Boys, some people have even called the the Beach Boys from Dusseldorf ! Flur: Oh yes, that's a very interesting story!!! When Autobahn came out in America they though that the lyrics "Fahr'n, Fahr'n, Fahr'n" would be an idiom to the Beach Boys "Fun,fun,fun". Our speech was very similar to the American or English word, but "Fahr'n, Fahr'n, Fahr'n" is far away from "Fun on the Autobahn". It means driving. Bartos: They [Beach Boys] captured the American lifestyle in the sixties, so we had to listen to them. Cos it's a really American statement at the time. Comm: Despite their implausible love of the Beach Boys, KW never aped the culture of the British and European pop groups. They make no secret of their tutonic identity. [Numbers - cool!] [Kometenmelodie] Comm: There are no long-legged women, blue moons or cadillacs in any of KWs songs. It's one of their charms. But the dogged Europeanism can cause problems, as journalist Simon Witter, who grew up in Austria and Germany, points out. Simes: Everything they did, the sort of artistic, stylistic statements they were making, said a whole lot in the sense of German culture. Autobahn for a start was the first point, were the track was based on the network of autobahns that sort of defiled the countryside, they were actually trying to create a harmony between the countryside and the Autobahns, the simple fact of not only celebrating something as boring as travelling on th motorways, but also what the motorway means to Germans, because the whole thing was built by Hitler, the whole thing was rather contentious. Stew: You know about all these stereotypes that have emerged in this half of the century, about the German football team being a machine, about Boris Becker being a machine, you know, and it's part of our kind of ideaological hostility to Germany this century, is about Stereotyping them as a nation of people who are machine-like, who are workers, and willing to suppress their own identity, and all of that's part of the baggage and residue of the war and facism and all the rest of it. There's been hints of the kind of Nazi imagery. There's been the use of the kind of robotic, Germanic thing. Like any music, you can read the politics off if you like. It's blatantly obvious that KW are not Nazi's. It's obvious that they're not facists. But that doesn't mean that they cannot play with the English and British beliefs about what the German people really are. Comm: When KW began, there image was widely like the Robert Plant lookalikes of the day. As usual, KW were ahead of their time but in the 1980's, many British musicians were catching up. [Ultravox: Vienna] Simes: I think in the early 80's, it was very important to us, because a lot of people went for that sort of German-esque sort of look. Big ties, buckles, shirts, you know Midge Ure, Vienna and all that. And we also had people like David Bowie. Comm: Bowie was, at that time, living in Germany, and the sound exemplified by KW was to have a profound influence on his most important albums, such as Low, Heroes, and Station to Station. [TEE ?] [Bowie song] Bowie: The biggest influence on that album was the work of Kraftwerk, prior to Autobahn. And this new German sound was really appealing to me, what with Can, and Edgar Froese's band, Tangerine Dream. Not that band so much but Edgar's solo bits which I though were very evocative and there was this Amibient thing that was happenin' and I tried to apply some of the randomness again, because I associated it with my interest in random sound and what you could do with it. Fish: I interviewed Bowie a couple of months back, and most of the times he had to Really Think about what his answer was, and I asked him about his interest in Kraftwerk, and, without blinking, he immediately said, "A band I would have loved to have been in". He clearly hasn't got over his infatuation with them. Bartos: He came to our place and he wanted us to join his World Tour. [Plays another Bowie song]. Florian refused. So we stayed at home. I would have gone. It's cool, I like it. Heroes. It's still one of my favourite songs. [singing along] I..... I wish I could swim, Like the dolphins, I like dolphins, is cool !!!! [laughing] Fish: It was in the late 70's, 1978, that Bowie started stealing lock stock and barrel what KW were doing. What with strip lighting and having these very neat clothes, and slicked back hair, and Bowie was sort of God at that period in the music world and when he said he like them, everyone else liked them and that was that. More soon !!! Including other KW influencees, Tour De France, Ralf's cycling accident, why the Group split up. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 23:47:52 +0000 Subject: "Analogue Dreams" CD-ROM Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de Another CD-ROM that contains a database with samples from Kraftwerk songs is "Analogue Dreams", also by Best Service. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:58:48 -0500 Subject: Re: DX7 Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com EC is worth buying - especially the Syncalvier stuff.......... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 19:37:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: DX7 Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu At 05:58 PM 4/6/96 -0500, ManMachn2@aol.com wrote: >EC is worth buying - especially the Syncalvier stuff.......... Agreed 100%. Whether you're a KW fan or not, and in light of all the negative feedback its received from various list members, 'Electric Cafe' is well worth buying. Also, just as a side note, I'm a musician and a music producer and I happen to like the Yamaha DX7 very much. There are many synths that I regard as classics in some sense, and this is definitely one of them. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "...try to get a connection on the telephone line..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 01:53:05 +0100 Subject: Re: DX7 Really-From: Paulo Mouat > It's really a matter of opinion about the DX7 - you either love it or > hate it. It's a programmer's machine; it's a bit like programming a > computer microprocessor - very basic, cryptic commands, and very > tedious indeed. So everyone used the crap presets. There aren't any cryptic commands... you should know a bit about FM synthesis, though. After that, it's as straightforward as the "usual" synthesizers, i.e. subtractive synthesis, in which you can surely tell how to obtain this or that type of timbre, and is as complex as FM (or as simple...). > You wouldn't be missing a lot if you didn't have a synclavier, IMHO. Well, a sampler with additive and FM synthesis seems proficient... Similar examples (but with rigid topologies) are the K2000 or the K2500 which by the variety of synthesis algorithms can produce a huge array of timbres, from subtractive (i.e. analogue) to matrix or some weirder types. But the Synclavier is not, IMHO, a machine to dabble with, with lots of knobs or sliders to play. It is much more oriented towards production as a whole and not just being a "module" along a set of synthesizers. As an example, Kitaro composed the entire orchestral part of Kojiki on a Synclavier. Polyphony and timbral perfection are surely the reasons, allowing him to have a preview of the whole, rather than making weird noises via synthesis. - -- ********************************* Paulo Mouat, mouat@telepac.pt ********************************* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 09:22:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: CDs for Sale Really-From: Cindy Gendrich/Woody Hood Time to clean out the ol' cd bin again. This is what I'm getting rid of: 1. Tangerine Dream--Atmospherics (import compilation) $8 ppd Tracks: Genesis, Sunrise in the Third System, Wahn, Ashes to Ashes, Scuba Scuba, Circulation of Events, Central Park (New York), Zen Garden (Ryoanju temple Kyoto), Underwater Twilight, Resurrection, Hyde Park, White Clouds, Indian Summer, Tyger, Dolphin Dance 2. Piano One--Various Artists (Private Music) $8 ppd Artists: Joachim Kuhn, Ryuicki Sakamoto (piano version of Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence), Eddie Jobson, Eric Watson 3. B-Tribe--You Won't See Me Cry promo cd single $5 ppd 4. B-Tribe--Nanita promo cd single $5 ppd 5. Seefeel--More Like Space EP (import cd) $5 ppd 6. Mike Oldfield--Let There Be Light (cd single w/ hologram-import) $5 ppd 7. Elektric Music--Esperanto (Bartos of Kraftwerk) $8 ppd 8. Saint Etienne--Hobart Paving/Who Do you think(import cd single)$5 ppd 9. New Order--England/World in Motion (cd single) $5 ppd 10. Stina (vocalist on Vangelis' "Voices" cd)--Memories of Color $8 ppd 11. Babylon Zoo--Spaceman cd single $5 ppd 12. TGT--Machine Gun (classic Wax Trax!) cd single $5 ppd 13. The Normal--TVOD/Warm Leatherette mute cd single $10 ppd If you are interested, please email me directly (don't clog the list): cgendric@titan.iwu.edu ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #520 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #521 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 8 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 521 Re: DX7 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:08:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: DX7 Really-From: Brendan Heading >-- Really-From: Paulo Mouat >There aren't any cryptic commands..[on the DX7]. you should know a bit about >FM synthesis, though. After that, it's as straightforward as the "usual" >synthesizers, i.e. subtractive synthesis, in which you can surely tell >how to obtain this or that type of timbre, and is as complex as FM (or >as simple...). > OK, so I don't have a DX7. For the uninitiated out there, the DX7 has a, what is it, two digit LCD ? Or something like that. A mate who does have one did tell me that they were a bugger to program. In fact, you ask anyone who's had one, they'll probably tell you that the DX7 is the hardest to program synth that they own. That's why a lot of 80's pop records began sounding the same - everyone just used the built in presets, 'cos they couldn't program it !!!! >> You wouldn't be missing a lot if you didn't have a synclavier, IMHO. >Well, a sampler with additive and FM synthesis seems proficient... >Similar examples (but with rigid topologies) are the K2000 or the K2500 >which by the variety of synthesis algorithms can produce a huge array of >timbres, from subtractive (i.e. analogue) to matrix or some weirder >types. Good point, I wasn't sure whether the Syn actually synthesised or not. It is true that the K2000 and the K2500 are considerably more advanced, but then that's pretty obvious. The syn was pretty hi-tech when it came out. Seems to me, though, that more people bought the Fairlight. >But the Synclavier is not, IMHO, a machine to dabble with, with lots of >knobs or sliders to play. It is much more oriented towards production as >a whole and not just being a "module" along a set of synthesizers. Yes indeedy. I think it was Karl Bartos who said that he left KW because of this obsession with the syn, which he felt hampered creativity. And quite right he was as well. It's one of the many reasons why people so love those old analogue synthesisers. |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #521 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #522 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 8 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 522 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Yello fans? Really-From: gewither@mailbox.syr.edu (gewither) I was wondering how many Kraftwerk fans out there are also big Yello Fans? I know I am! Jerry Withers Only Amiga //// A2000/950HD 030/882/17Mb 50Mhz //// makes A2386 & VGA & 150MB HD gewither@.mailbox.syr.edu \\\\//// it A2230 GVP Spectrum 28/24 \\\///possible! AmigaD0S 3.1 CD-ROM ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:05:15 +0000 Subject: P.S.: Erasure's "Chertsey Endlos" Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > Erasure has a song called "Chertsey Endlos" on their new CD-single > "Rock Me Gently". Well, the song starts off like it might be a > Kraftwerk tune, but then reverts to a typical synth-pop melody not > unlike the other Erasure tunes. This was also my first impression, but after further listening I noticed that this song contains many quotations (harmonies, melody fragments etc.) from "Europe Endless", and also a few from "The Hall of Mirrors". Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:05:15 +0000 Subject: Klaus Roeder Solo LP? Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de I've seen an LP advertised in a collector's magazine, "Kompositionen" by Klaus Roeder. Is this the former Kraftwerk member or a different Klaus Roeder? Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 19:16:02 +0200 Subject: Re: DX7 Really-From: Paulo Mouat Really-From: Brendan Heading > OK, so I don't have a DX7. For the uninitiated out there, the DX7 has > a, what is it, two digit LCD ? Or something like that. A two digit LCD, yes, *plus* a two-line, 8 (?) char display. > A mate who does have one did tell me that they were a bugger to > program. In fact, you ask anyone who's had one, they'll probably tell > you that the DX7 is the hardest to program synth that they own. Agreed. It is not as interactive as older analogues. You have to--you can only--change one parameter at a time. > That's why a lot of 80's pop records began sounding the same - > everyone just used the built in presets, 'cos they couldn't program > it !!!! >>> You wouldn't be missing a lot if you didn't have a synclavier, IMHO. > >>Well, a sampler with additive and FM synthesis seems proficient... >>Similar examples (but with rigid topologies) are the K2000 or the >>K2500 which by the variety of synthesis algorithms can produce a huge >>array of timbres, from subtractive (i.e. analogue) to matrix or some >>weirder types. > > Good point, I wasn't sure whether the Syn actually synthesised or not. > It is true that the K2000 and the K2500 are considerably more > advanced, but then that's pretty obvious. The syn was pretty hi-tech > when it came out. Seems to me, though, that more people bought the > Fairlight. This particular issue was raised often some time ago, the Fairlight being described as "more musical." But that is terribly subjective... Both machines have the same kind of functionality, except that the Synclavier is a machine to replace an entire studio. I've done some checking, and the latest model of the Synclavier, which dates from 1989 had already some amazing capabilities, such as 96 Megs of RAM, 96 voices of polyphony, a sequencer of 200 tracks... plus a 16-track digital direct-to-disk recorder. And only in 1996 can we have a Emu-IV with similar capabilities in terms of sampling and polyphony. And costing much less... The Synclavier I describe above costed at that time an enormous amount, almost half a million pounds UK. > I think it was Karl Bartos who said that he left KW because of > this obsession with the syn, which he felt hampered creativity. Correct. > And quite right he was as well. It is your opinion, and Karl's. Not mine. Surely not the opinion of a great part of the music community, great names of the scene included. > It's one of the many reasons why people so love those old analogue > synthesisers. I'd say it is not exactly this. It is much more because of their particular timbre, warm and strong. - -- ********************************* Paulo Mouat, mouat@telepac.pt ********************************* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 14:31:46 -0400 Subject: KW and James Brown Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." Fans, I've started collecting music by Kraftwerk and James Brown lately. Two true originals that have paved the way for many other artists and copycats as well. To my delight I recently heard the song 'Hack 1' by Information Society. Throughout the song there is a sample of a 4 beat rhythm from James Brown's 'Super Bad' with the rising 16th note riff from KW's Homecomputer on top of it. Two great sounds that sound great together! Anyone else heard any KW samples used recently? (past 4 months or so) Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: KW and James Brown Really-From: David Bass > Lon wrote: > > it. Two great sounds that sound great together! Anyone else heard any KW > samples used recently? (past 4 months or so) > The Chemical Brothers "Exit Planet Dust" starts off with a repeated sample of "Ohm" from "Ohm, Sweet, Ohm." David - -- David Bass | SAS Institute, Documentation Development | Love each other sasdgb@sas.com | (John 15:17) (919) 677-8000, ext. 5682 | ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 22:10:47 +0200 Subject: Re: DX7 Really-From: Paulo Mouat > A two digit LCD, yes, *plus* a two-line, 8 (?) char display. I mistyped above... It should be a 16 (?) char display, obviously. Sorry. Just to end this discussion, I'd like to point out that the DX7 isn't being regarded as a machine to replace older analogues. It instead is a machine essential to pair with the analogues, and the argument that all music made with a DX7 seems the same is valid also to analogue equipment, if one lacks the creativity to elaborate new timbres, as in all things synthetically-oriented. - -- ********************************* Paulo Mouat, mouat@telepac.pt ********************************* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 16:28:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: DX7 Really-From: Brendan Heading >> I think it was Karl Bartos who said that he left KW because of >> this obsession with the syn, which he felt hampered creativity. >Correct. >> And quite right he was as well. >It is your opinion, and Karl's. Not mine. Surely not the opinion of >a great part of the music community, great names of the scene included. I think what he meant was that the Synclavier, and the Fairlight, used sampling as a replacement to synthesis. It's hard to explain what I mean. That the direct building of a sound, IMHO, creates a much more interesting product than just sampling it and using some basic processing techniques. If you read the documentary I've been posting, we've seen how KW used the basic drums ripped out of an organ of the day. I admire this approach, as it was creating a new way of going about things, where with sampling you just copy the original sound and change it a bit. Do you catch me drift ?!? :) >> It's one of the many reasons why people so love those old analogue >> synthesisers. >I'd say it is not exactly this. It is much more because of their >particular timbre, warm and strong. Well, I did say it was one reason. You should have left in a bit more of my quote :) The analogues are so real-time, and so tweakable. Creative. That's what I meant. Of course, they create a unique sound which even the most advanced of today's technology can only just come close to. >-- >********************************* > Paulo Mouat, mouat@telepac.pt >********************************* |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 08 Apr 96 17:30:14 EDT Subject: Synclaviers, DX7s, et al Really-From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@compuserve.com> Since Ian posted my Aktivitaet article on the list, I've followed the debate about KW's gear with interest. I now have to admit that it looks quite likely that KW still use the Synclavier; certainly 'The Mix' project began that way - in Pascal Bussy's book Karl Bartos clearly refers to Fritz Hilpert transferring material from their old master tapes onto the Synclavier. Here's one puzzling observation that I made during KW's appearance at Leicester Polytechnic Arena 18/6/92 (one of the two low-key 'warm-up' shows for their appearance with U2 at Manchester's G-Mex): At the centre of the Kling-Klang set-up, between Schultz and Hilpert, there was *quite definitely* an Akai DD1000 Digital Recorder. This is a stand-alone audio recorder, capable of stereo recording and 4-track (i.e. 2 x stereo) playback, using those removable magneto-optical cartridges rather than conventional hard disk storage. I've used this unit quite often myself; besides playback it offers quite sophisticated editing facilities, particularly useful for performing 7"/12" edits, compiling tracks for mastering, etc, and although it has perhaps been superseded now, it does have one big advantage over the many computer-based systems in that it is quite robust and portable, resembling, as it does, a larger version of one of the Akai sampler range. Throughout the show, the LEDs on this unit could quite distinctly be seen moving in time to the music; usually two tracks, but occasionally all four. And at least twice, during the low-lit pauses between songs, Schultz and Hilpert could be seen with their backs to the audience, manipulating the controls. This would be consistent with loading in the next batch of audio from the cartridges - I forget the actual storage time the device has, but it is certainly well under an hour of stereo, and even less for four track playback. I remember being quite surprised - and a little disappointed - by this; on the face of things it's not very different to the way many modern dance-orientated acts perform 'live' with no more than a DAT recorder and maybe a live keyboard player and vocalist. The DD1000 can, however, generate MTC (midi time code) and I suppose that KW's other equipment - their main sequencer say - could therefore be slaved to it in this way. Most curious though, was the fact that I don't recall seeing this device on any of the 1991 UK tour dates, or indeed, the following year when I managed to get over to see KW perform at the Klang Art festival in Osnabruck, Germany. What's more, the unit itself wasn't actually housed in the Kling Kling racks in the normal fashion, but rested horizontally, looking for all the world like it was only a *temporary* addition to the set-up. I wonder: if KW are still using the Synclavier as the basis of the Kling-Klang system, could they have being trying out the DD1000 as a substitute? - streamlining the stage set-up for what was basically a support slot to U2. Or maybe it was hired in at even shorter notice - I know that during the previous night's show at Norwich there were major problems during 'Autobahn', and this song was mysteriously cut quite short at both of the following Leicester and G-Mex shows. If the Synclavier went down, the backing tracks could conceivably have been transferred into the DD1000. On the DX7 debate, there is definitely a Yamaha TX-something module in the racks as recently as 1993, so this could have been used to generate any DX-like tones I suppose. Finally, on the back of 'The Telephone Call's 12" sleeve, there is the credit: "Synclavier Program John Mahoney New England Digital"... Can anyone add anymore to any of this? STAGGMAN ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 08 Apr 96 19:46:01 EDT Subject: Re: Synclaviers, DX7s, et al Really-From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@compuserve.com> Oh dear, I've just read my own message back and spotted the deliberate mistake: for *Schultz* please read *Schmitz*, as in the Henning variety! God knows what was in my head...'Peanuts'? Anyway, Wolfgang Flur, it's all your fault! STAGGMAN ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 08 Apr 96 20:03:08 EDT Subject: Aktivitaet 3 - 'Tour De France' - A beginners guide... Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@compuserve.com> Tour De France - a beginners guide to the mixes/remixes/edits by Ian Calder (Aktivitaet 3 - January 1993, revised April 1996) Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Back in mid 1983, Kraftwerk issued one of their finest songs, 'Tour De France', an instantly memorable tune that blended the atmosphere of the historic bicycle race (communicated via the sampled sounds - the breathing, the gears, the pedals) allied with the familiar Kraftwerk melodic blend to produce a real classic. In this article I hope to give you some detail about all of the officially released versions of this song that have appeared from around the world. It is not a full 'Collectors Corner' piece like previous articles as I don't have enough info on all of the world- wide releases to date, but it should certainly clarify which mixes appear on which disk... NB; all timings given are approximate and meant only as an aid to distinguish between the confusing amount of mixes available. Even the record sleeves vary with the timings (e.g. the 1983 WG 7" edit is given as 3' 00" whereas its 1984 appearance lists it as 3' 10" - I make it nearer 3' 05"!) UK RELEASES UK at the end of July 1983 in 7", 12" and cassette-single formats (though it had been released on the continent some weeks earlier). The initial release of the 7" and 12" came in picture sleeves and with yellow coloured labels. Later pressings have *red* coloured labels. On the 7" you can find the familiar 3' 05" version of 'Tour De France' with a shorter (2' 40") Instrumental version on the flipside. The 12" version features the 'Long Version' (6' 30") on side 1. Side 2 of the 12" features the A side of the 7" version (3' 05") and a '2e Etape' version (2' 40"). The cassette-single features the same three tracks as the 12". Details; the 7" 'B' side is not merely a straight instrumental of the 'A' side, it is a different mix that contains parts of the music that feature in the 'Long Version' but not the 3' 05" version. The '2e Etape' version that is on side 2 of the 12" is different from all of the previous versions as is does not contain any actual *music*! Instead, it is the rhythm track coupled with a selection of the samples (the breathing, the gear changes etc.). Samplers, ahoy! To confuse matters, when 'Tour De France' was re-issued in August 1984, the new pressings still retained the same catalogue number and the same sleeve design. The song came to be re- issued because of its use in a movie called 'Breakdance' ( "Breakin' " in the US). Although it is in the film, Kraftwerk did not want the song included on the obligatory soundtrack LP. Hence the singles re-issue. Initially, this UK re-issue came in 12" format only and it was a number of weeks before the 7" edited version appeared, due to public demand, I believe. This re-issued 12" version contains the 6' 47" 'Remix', remixed by Francois Kevorkian, on side 1 and with a 6' 44" 'Version' (presumably remixed by Kraftwerk themselves?) on side 2. This 'Version' is also called 'French Version' on other releases, the US one for instance. In addition, the original 7" version (3' 05") is also included on side 2. As mentioned before, the sleeve featured the same design as before; for the initial run of the 12" releases the front is identical to the 1983 issue, though the sleeves have a much 'glossier' finish. Later pressings have an additional 'as featured in the film Breakdance' logo added in white beneath the songs title. (NB; As the 7" appeared later, all of these remix 7" sleeves have the 'as featured in...' logo, so they're easier to differentiate.) You can easily spot the differences on the back of the sleeves; on the original 1983 issues both the lyrics and track details are printed in the 'middle' (white) section of the sleeve - the 1984 re-issues still have the lyrics printed in the 'middle' area but the track details are printed in the top right hand *blue* area of the sleeve. As I mentioned earlier, the 7" copies emerged at a later date and featured an edit of the Francois Kevorkian 'Remix' (at 3' 44") on side 1 and the original 7" version (3' 05") once again on side 2. *All* of the UK 1984 copies have yellow coloured labels, as far as I am aware. After a couple of years this 1984 remix 12" was still available but no longer came with a picture sleeve, coming instead in a plain black 'die-cut' cover. There is also an Abbey Road acetate in circulation featuring a longer 7" edit at 3' 57", but there is some confusion as to whether it is from 1983 or 1984, so I can't give any great details on this. It may well be the same edit of the Francois Kevorkian 'Remix' as used on the US 7" release, which is different to the one officially released in the UK, but I'm making this guess only because of the track time. Phew! that's enough about the British versions! WEST GERMAN RELEASES 'Tour De France' had actually been released in West Germany and France *before* the UK, in 1983. Even *more* versions of the song are to be found on the German releases. In addition to the 7 mixes detailed thus far there are also 3 additional German language mixes. The original 1983 West German release was available on both 7" and 12", side 1 with the German language 'Version Allemande' and side 2 with the French language 'Version Francaise'. (NB; all of the UK mixes are French language.) So, the German 7" contains the edited versions (3' 05") of both language renditions while the 12" has the 'Long Version' (6' 30") of both. The sleeves are very similar to the UK, the only differences evident are with the track details on the back. The label design is totally different from the UK though, employing a grey and black 'cogwheel' design instead. (Much better!) In 1984 the re-mixes were also released in Germany, and thereby hangs some confusion... When this article was first published it was not known that there are actually mis-pressed copies of the German 1984 12", so the information contained in the original article regarding this was flawed. What follows should be correct... The 1984 German 12" features the same Francois Kevorkian 'Remix' at 6' 47" as per the UK on side 1. On side 2, the first track is the 'Version Allemande' (6' 44"); this is the same mix as the 'Version' on the UK release except that it *is* a German language rendition of the song and is listed on the sleeve and label as such (Version Allemande). However, there are mispressings of this 12"; many of the copies play the French language 'Version' as per the UK release instead, even though the sleeve and label state otherwise. Short of putting the record on and listening, there's not much you can do to check the difference. The third track on this 12" remix is once again the regular 7" version at 3' 05", though it is the French, not German, language version. Sensibly, the 1984 German re-issues were given new catalogue numbers. The 12" also has a white and black 'remix' sticker on the front of the sleeve while the same message is actually printed on the 7" sleeve. Finally, the label design was also changed, with a plain black and white label used this time round, for both 7" and 12". So, our count on the various mixes available thus far is 10. USA In America, the 1984 re-issue was 'flipped' from both the UK and German issues; the 12" actually features the 6' 44" 'Version' (the first track on side 2 of the UK 12") as the A side, only this time round it is retitled 'French Version'. Side 2 features the 6' 47" 'Remix' by Francois Kevorkian. Both mixes are the same as per the UK release. A 7" version also appeared and is unique in that includes an edit of the 'French Version', edited to 3' 47". Also, the edit of the Francois Kevorkian 'Remix' (at 3' 57") is slightly different to the one used in the UK; personally, I prefer this US edit better, it seems to 'flow' a little better than the UK one, doesn't sound quite so 'edited'. The 12" comes in a picture sleeve, the 7" does not, though both use the grey and black 'cogwheel' label design. So, two additional 7" edits brings our total thus far up to 12 different edits/mixes! OTHER RELEASES There is a French 12" issue from 1984 that labels the mixes as 'New-York Club Mix', side 1 with 'Version Francaise' and side 2 with the German language 'Version Allemande'. Somewhat confusingly, these *are not* different mixes once again, but are the same mixes as on the B sides of the UK/WG 1984 re-issues i.e. *not* the Francois Kevorkian mix. The sleeve of the record features an additional 'New-York Club Mix' title box beneath the songs title. It is possible that there may be more edits from other corners of the globe; releases from South American countries, Argentina and Brazil for instance, have edited Kraftwerk tracks on earlier single releases, so there is a possibility that such a release for 'Tour De France' may also exist, though there is no signs of such as yet. As you will have seen from the previous descriptions, there is a variety as to what mixes were released in what country. Therefore, if you are looking to buy a second hand copy of 'Tour De France' you should check which country it is from, as there are certain mixes which were only available in certain countries. Similarly, there is some confusion with sellers when describing their copies as an 'original 1983 release' - the UK releases from 1984 cause some confusion as the date is still printed as 1983 on the sleeve and labels. In short, try and get as much details as possible and check exactly what mixes are to be expected on the record. A SUMMARY OF THE MIXES AVAILABLE; << The original 1983 mixes; >> UK 1983 7" (3' 05") UK 1983 7" 'Instrumental' (2' 40") UK 1983 12" 'Long Version' (6' 30") UK 1983 12" '2e Etape' Version (2' 40") WG 1983 7" 'Version Allemande' (3' 05") WG 1983 12" 'Version Allemande' (Long Version) (6' 30") << The 1984 remixes/edits; >> UK 1984 12" 'Remix' (Remixed by Francois Kevorkian) (6' 47") UK 1984 12" 'Version' (6' 44") WG 1984 12" 'Version Allemande' (6' 44") UK 1984 7" 'Remix' (Remixed by Francois Kevorkian) (3' 44") USA 1984 7" 'French Version' (Edit) (3' 47") USA 1984 7" 'Remix' (Remixed by Francois Kevorkian) (3' 57") WHERE'S THE CD ?! Surprisingly, there has been only one appearance of 'Tour De France' on CD format as yet, on a German compilation CD called 'DJ's Best', one of the 7" remix edits. Bearing in mind this sad state of affairs, when is one of the bands record companies going to take the initiative and put together a decent re-issue, now that all the vinyl formats have been deleted for years, I wonder? It is about time. Well, hopefully all this will have shone a bit of much needed light onto the confusing subject of 'Tour De France' and its mixes and not bored the pants off you too much! - - END - (If anyone has any specific questions or additional information on mixes, please e-mail me - Ian Calder ( 101460.571@compuserve.com ) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 96 22:42 EDT Subject: Kraftwerk videos are on the way... Really-From: dvrt@passport.ca (Dave Rout) i've started sending out the kraftwerk videos... the following people should be receiving them shortly : ralph g. (australia) hugh f. (california) phil l. (chicago) chris z. (california) greg w. (ohio) scott b. (new york) michael f. (new york) a couple of things...if anyone has sent me money for tapes and you're not one of the above 7 , please email me...i've received payment from these 7 people , and i'm expecting a some more to come in...however as of mon. april 8th...these 7 are the only ones who've sent me payment... while watching the tapes , i noticed the quality of some of the footage has deteriorated over the years...i tried to enhance some of it with some video "sweetening" devices , but i could only clean up some of it...i decided to send out the tapes and let you decide...when you receive your tapes , let me know what you think of the footage...keeping in mind that alot of the footage is from pal and secam sources , some is second or third generation , and most of it is old... looking forward to our comments, dave r. " i'm the operator with my coffee percolator" ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #522 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #523 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 10 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 523 Re: DX7 Re: DD1000, Synclavier, DX7s NME compilation Re: Kraftwerk videos are on the way... track listings for KW tapes Re: NME compilation Re: Synclaviers, DX7s, et al Some corrections to yesterday's TDF article Aktivitaet 7 - 'From the Robots to a Human' Part 1 Re: Synclaviers, DX7s, et al ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 17:52:15 +0200 Subject: Re: DX7 Really-From: Paulo Mouat > I think what he meant was that the Synclavier, and the Fairlight, used > sampling as a replacement to synthesis. It's hard to explain what I > mean. That the direct building of a sound, IMHO, creates a much more > interesting product than just sampling it and using some basic > processing techniques. > [...] where with sampling you just copy the original sound and change > it a bit Except that these, as most samplers, have a resampling capability along with many synthesis capabilities. The Fairlight has additive synthesis, the Synclavier has also FM, and others have subtractive synthesis (i.e. filtering, resonance, LFO modulation) in matrix synthesis topologies. So, they offer something more than "some basic processing techniques." In fact, the resampling capability breaks all barriers of common synths, since in a synth you can only use some 2 to 8 oscillators/LFOs and in a sampler you can resample the wave that is consuming all your resources freeing those resources for you to use them again. This is direct building of a timbre, IMHO, with the advantage that you can do a lot more (believe me, I have a "common" synth with LFOs and envelopes and such, and quickly I can't do more because all of my oscillators, LFOs and filters are being used up). - -- ********************************* Paulo Mouat, mouat@telepac.pt ********************************* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 18:08:57 +0200 Subject: Re: DD1000, Synclavier, DX7s Really-From: Paulo Mouat > I forget the actual storage time the device has, but it is certainly > well under an hour of stereo, and even less for four track playback. The media provide 30 minutes of stereo per side, on CD quality. More exactly, 29 minutes, 9 seconds. > I wonder: if KW are still using the Synclavier as the basis of the > Kling-Klang system, could they have being trying out the DD1000 as a > substitute? I doubt it, the DD1000 does not substitute the Synclavier. First it is only a four-track recorder, and second, it doesn't offer the same functionality as a sampling device, and surely not as a synthesis source. Was the Synclavier on stage? Maybe the DD1000 was there only to replace its playback functionality. > On the DX7 debate, there is definitely a Yamaha TX-something module in > the racks as recently as 1993, so this could have been used to > generate any DX-like tones I suppose. Indeed, if it was the TX7 (=DX7), TX802 (=DX7II) or TXn16 (=n DX7s). The Synclavier has the same synthesis capabilities as a DX7, so maybe it could be it too. > Finally, on the back of 'The Telephone Call's 12" sleeve, there is the > credit: "Synclavier Program John Mahoney New England Digital"... New England Digital is the manufacturer of the Synclavier, so I guess their relations with Kraftwerk were close. - -- ********************************* Paulo Mouat, mouat@telepac.pt ********************************* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 09 Apr 96 14:52:14 EDT Subject: NME compilation Really-From: Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@compuserve.com> To celebrate some anniversary, the New Musical Express comissioned a compilation of cover versions with songs by the majority of musical talent at the time; Blur, Suede, Manic Street Preachers, Ned's Atomic Dustbin, Jesus Jones, Curve, EMF, The Lemonheads, The Inspiral Carpets, The Fall... On this compilation there are two pieces of information worthy of this mailing list. The first is that Ride cover Kraftwerk's The Model, and it is almost completely faithful to the original. Secondly, Elektrik Musik submitted a cover of Baby Come Back, which I think was an old reggae song which was later covered by UB40 and then quite recently by a Ragga star over here in Britain whose name temporarily escapes me. I'm listening to it now. It is almost comic, with alot of sampling of female phonemes to create whole words which is kind of cute; " alright ", " crazy ", etc. The lyrics are sung through a vocoder and the beats are quite modern, but full of kraftwerkian electro percussion. There is a break in the middle of the song, which is quite like something off The Mix. At the end of the song it almost becomes a duet between the cute female robot and the vocoded lyrics. Maybe this is common knowledge to everyone, but I thought I should report. The compilation is about four years old, if my memory serves me right. Regards the info on Tour de France, I have a K-Tel compilation LP called Breakdance with info on the cover like "Learn to Moonwalk, Bodypop, and Electric Boogie", "Includes colour poster and instructional rap", and the ubiquitous "As advertised on T.V.". It is not affiliated to the film but on the LP is a track called Tour de France and it is credited to a band called 10 Speed. Sounds fishy, I thought so too. I have never heard the original, having not been old enough to hear it when it was released, but in discovering Kraftwerk late I thought it sounded very familiar. The thing is the production does not sound very Kraftwerkian (slap bass, harp runs, and a voice which doesn't sound like any of Kraftwerk?), am I just ignorant having not heard the original or is this a cover by any chance. The information about the track runs like this: " The adventurous studio work of 10-speed made this one of the most exciting records of early 1984. Layer upon layer of synthesizers, coupled with studio gimmickry, have made this a breakdancing sensation." The only information given about the record companies is a list: Quality Records, CMI ltd. London, MCR productions BV, and Billy Boy Records. None of them I know of have been affilated with Kraftwerk but I might be wrong. Can anyone explain this mystery? Lastly, there are a couple of Kraftwerk samples on the Zero-G datafile 1 sample CD. Tom ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 14:59:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Kraftwerk videos are on the way... Really-From: Nthings@aol.com I WANT ONE PLEASE E MAIL ME!!!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 96 16:23 EDT Subject: track listings for KW tapes Really-From: dvrt@passport.ca (Dave Rout) for those who have tapes coming to them , here are the track listings for the two tapes... tape 1 : the model trans europe express neon lights musique non stop the telephone call (these 5 from much music) the robots (top of the pops) the model (version) t.e.e (version) von himmelhoch neon lights (version) making it move (making of animated autobahn) autobahn (animated video) the following tracks have german interview clips between them... radioaktivitat nummern (live) computerwelt (live) taschenrechner (live) radioaktivitat (version) showroom dummies (german) die roboter (live) trans europa express heimcomputer (live) german t.v footage including videos , brixton academy footage , KW on a talk show ?!?! , and backstage stuff... the model (version) the model (version) tour de france autobahn animated video (better quality) tape 2 : live bootleg camcorder footage from 1991 - 1992 numbers computer world it's more fun to compute computer love the model tour de france autobahn radioactivity trans europe express the robots pocket calculator musique non stop numbers computer world tour de france the model this listing should be fairly accurate...however the tapes were dubbed at different times from different masters... thanks, dave " i'm the operator with my pocket calculator " -kw- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 16:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: NME compilation Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu At 02:52 PM 4/9/96 -0400, Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@compuserve.com> wrote: >advertised on T.V.". It is not affiliated to the film but on the LP is a track >called Tour de France and it is credited to a band called 10 Speed. Sounds >fishy, I thought so too. I have never heard the original, having not been old >enough to hear it when it was released, but in discovering Kraftwerk late I >thought it sounded very familiar. The thing is the production does not sound >very Kraftwerkian (slap bass, harp runs, and a voice which doesn't sound like >any of Kraftwerk?), am I just ignorant having not heard the original or is this >a cover by any chance. Well, this is indeed a cover version of Kraftwerk's "Tour de France" single which was released in 1983. I believe that there is mention of 10 Speed's version of the song on the official Kraftwerk Discography in the KW Infobahr. In any event, you mentioned not having heard the original KW version of the song, so I just thought I'd let you know that yes, the KW version *does* contain the slap bass sound patch and the harp runs (sampled, I believe). Great song! :O) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "We're charging our battery..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:16:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Synclaviers, DX7s, et al Really-From: Brendan Heading >On the DX7 debate, there is definitely a Yamaha TX-something module in the >racks as recently as 1993, so this could have been used to generate any >DX-like tones I suppose. The TX7 is the rack version! Bingo! |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 09 Apr 96 17:16:59 EDT Subject: Some corrections to yesterday's TDF article Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@compuserve.com> There are a couple of corrections I'd like to make to the 'Tour De France' article that I posted yesterday... i) there is some text missing in one of the sentences; underneath UK RELEASES please add; The 'Tour De France' single was released in the (UK at the end of July etc.) ii) what is not very clear from the article is that it appears that there are actually *two* different 1984 German 12" releases of 'TDF'; both are in some ways flawed; in addition to the 3-track 12" as described in the article, there is also a 12" from 1984 that has only two mixes, one of these being the German language 'Version' (6'44") mix, but this single comes in a sleeve with the same cat. no. etc as the 1983 release; confusing stuff indeed. Therefore, it may be the case that *all* of the 3-track 12" WG release *may* be mis-pressed so as to play the French 'Version as opposed to the German 'Version'; if anyone has a copy of the 3-track version that *definitely* plays the German langauge 'Version' it would be good if you can confirm this on the list. Ian Calder ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 09 Apr 96 17:17:12 EDT Subject: Aktivitaet 7 - 'From the Robots to a Human' Part 1 Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@compuserve.com> 'From the Robots to a Human' - an interview with Wolfgang Fluer by The Prof. Aktivitaet 7 - September 1995 Part 1 of 2 Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The following interview took place after meetings in Duesseldorf in April 1995. In this interview, Wolfgang discusses the many different areas of his past and his new projects, including Yamo. The Prof: Tell me a little of your background. How did you get started in music? Wolfgang Fluer: "My start in music was very similar to most other artists. In my schooldays I built my first band, The Beathovens. We played all the English hit-parade songs of the week and had gigs in the local area of Duesseldorf. We were specialists in covering The Beatles. After the Beathovens there were the Anyway, the Fruit and the band Spirits of Sound. With this last group we started to make our own first songs. Our guitar player was Michael Rother. He was hired by the avant-garde band Kraftwerk in 1971. It was the end of my school band. I followed Michael later to Kraftwerk, who were just recording 'Autobahn'." You originally trained in furniture design but you became a drummer? "Yes, that was the thing I always wanted to do! The studies of the interior design was an idea of my parents, who were never glad about my wishes of being a musician. But in other times it was also very helpful for my life to design furniture." How and when did you join your former colleagues, Kraftwerk? "In 1972 I was sitting at the drawing desk in the architects studio, learning to make ground plans for warehouses when I got a call from Ralf Huetter: 'Could we meet you for a talk about music and maybe make a session in our studio?' I was so astonished and proud of that important call that I agreed of course." How long have you known Emil Schult? "The same time as Kraftwerk. They were together. They all were the band. We lived together for a long time in a big flat very close to the lovely river Rhine, in the old part of Duesseldorf. It was a very romantic time and the most important in my life I guess." Have you and Emil written any songs together? "Yes, of course. But not in Kraftwerk times. In the last years, when I made my own project, Yamo, I asked Emil to help me with my lyrics for my new songs. I was not that trained in writing, but I learn very fast. We worked together on 'My Inner Voice', 'Little Child', 'The Telephone Bill', 'From The Ocean', 'Planet In Fever' and also on 'Signals Of Love'." Have you also worked with Emil on other projects - such as design or artwork? "Yes, I liked to work with him on some art-objects, such as chair-frames and special painting frames and others. We also built the very first electronic drum-pad in 1973. Emil helped me with his ideas." When and why did you leave Kraftwerk? "1986/87. I left this band because I had the feeling to do something else after all these years. It was a very hard break for me, with lots of depressions following, but I knew "something had to be changed". This became one of my new titles on my own project." Did you have any input on 'The Mix' album before you left? "No!" Do you still relate to the work you achieved with your former colleagues? "Not so much in the last time. I do work very intensively on my new songs. But I started to write my memories about the time with the boys. The title of the book will be 'Under one pillow with the robots'. (It is a special German meaning...)" What is your reaction or thoughts to the styles of music that now surrounds us and was in some areas derived from what you in your work in Kraftwerk helped to create? "This is surely a question of the generations. Our music with Kraftwerk developed more and more from the romantic melodies with its own special synthi-sound in the first years, to the rhythmic and robotic sounds from the late 80's. the 'techno' or 'tekkno' sound was created and a lot of bands did their own. The beat went faster and faster but the contents of the music became smaller and smaller. Today it's mostly the beat, that the young people meet." Did you enjoy playing live and touring over the years in the various bands which you have kept the rhythm going? "Yes, I loved it very much. I'm a kind of vagabond and my home is the world. I could live everywhere, where there is a beautiful and healthy nature." How do you feel about fans and a fanzine such as Aktivitaet? "It's OK with the fans, if they accept that I'm a normal, private person like everyone else. So I need also my private space. I don't want to be an idol to someone. Everyone should be his own fan. But this is a question of upbringing and education. If someone feels strong by himself, he can admire the work of another person without making him to his idol..." Do you get recognised in your hometown or on travels? "Yes, sometimes. But in general the profession of pop-musician in Germany is not worth so much as in your country. England has a very different pop culture. They love their musicians. In Germany, we are artists like painters or writers or actors. This profession is not that respectable as others. I had to learn this lesson in my own family." - - END OF PART 1 - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:19:16 -0700 Subject: Re: Synclaviers, DX7s, et al Really-From: l.meyer@ix.netcom.com (L. Meyer ) You wrote: >Really-From: Brendan Heading >The TX7 is the rack version! Bingo! No, de TX7 is NOT the rack version! Boing! |_ |\/| --- L.Meyer@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #523 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #524 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 10 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 524 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:27:34 -0400 Subject: Re: help Really-From: Transito@aol.com HEY, HEY! Get a hold of yourself! Slow down, keep your panties on and don't get your nipples all hard and sweaty.... Geez. **In the first place; learn how to spoke correctly. If you're going to try to speak English at least do us a favor and DON'T LEAVE THE SON-OF-A-BITCH WORDS OUT!!! 1) "but am still getting..." HELLO!- YOU FORGOT THE FUCKING LETTER I! 2) "I did unsubscribe thing...." "THE"? - IS THAT WHAT YOU FORGOT?! 3) "necessay" WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THAT?!! GHETTO-FUCKING-BUCKWHEAT-TALK?!! 4) "can anyone help me to stop getting this list?" YEAH, WE CAN "HELP YOU TO STOP" BEING A DICKHEAD AND LEARN HOW TO TALK RIGHT!! Let me guess: "But they were all typos! I know to talk English...." WHAT; ARE YOU TYPING WITH YOUR FUCKING TOES?!! WHAT ARE YOU- ARMLESS ARNOLD AND HIS INCREDIBLE TYPING TWAT?!! If I were you I'd forget everything about Kraftwerk, computers, typing, AND THE WHOLE MOTHER-FUCKING ENGLISH LANGUAGE for that matter! **In the second place, about unsubscribing; YOU'RE FUCKED! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:23:51 +0200 Subject: Re: Synclavier, Fairlight, DX-7 etc. Really-From: majortom@muc.de (Michael Wesemann) About the difference of the Fairlight to the Synclavier... The Synclavier is a high-end music production system. It can be configured to give 48 tracks and more of Harddisk recording. The storage only is limited by the number of disks you attach. It is designed so that all the editing you do is non-destructive i.e. you can undo everything in one editing session. The Synclavier is probably the digital device with the best audio quality, it can record at 96 KHz sampling rate. Note that this newer version of the Synclavier which is also the one KW uses has no panel with knobs and sliders, it is controlled with a Mac. It's synthesis capabilities are very rudimentary it's main purpose is as a recording/production machine. Several records in tha late '80 and early '90 were produced entirely on the Synclavier. Very notable for it's engineering quality is Trevor Horn's production of Grace Jones' Slave to the Rythm. The early Synclaviers with an analogue control panel had rudimentary or no sampling capabilities but were designed as advanced additive synthesizers. The main reason why Synclavier is not in business any more is that it's inventor died in a car crash and took most of his secrets with him. There is a Synclavier support group which was founded by professional users to ensure supply of spare parts. Despite the fact that the Synclavier's current design is about 10 years old it's performance is still unequaled by any of todays digital recording systems (i.e. Waveframe etc.). The main point about the Synclavier as used by KW is that it is a production tool and not a musical instrument. Which makes it quite different to the Fairlight. In the time the Fairlight was most popular (model II, II+) as used by JMJ (magnetic Fields is a good example of extensive Fairlight use) and many others it offered 8 (12) bit sampling quality at relatively low sampling rates and 2 - 4 seconds of recording time. So this would hardly do to reproduce sounds naturally. The great thing about these Fairlights was the characteristc note they added to the sound. You can recognize a Fairlight II in a recording if you know it. This characteristc is of very high musical quality, the Fairlight gives anything you sample with it a special atmosphere and it's sounds are widely considered as being very warm and alive. The main reason for this is the low resolution in addition to using analogue lowpass filters. The Fairlight uses SSM filters (one for every voice) and these filters are regarded as the best IC based filter design which are said to be much "fatter" sounding than the more widely spread Curtis CEM designs. SSM filters are used on very few synthesiszers as on the Rev 1 + 2 Prophet V's (which was used by Florian Schneider and can be seen as the main synth in his console during the Computerwelt tour, though I don't know which Rev...) and the RSF Kobol. The reason they were not more common was their high failure rate and very tricky calibration procedure. Tne Fairlight also offered additive synth features with a very intuitive user interface (you could draw the envelopes for the harmonics with a light pen on the screen). These additive sounds also ran through the filter circuitry with the respective influence on the output. Anyway when Fairlight abandoned the analogue filters and turned to 16 Bit sampling rate (model III) it became just another sampler among others and never again reached the popularity of the early models. On the DX-7. IMO the DX-7 is a true synthesizers in the meaning of the word. Unlike other digital keyboards it is not sample based but really generates it's sounds itself without using DSP. Actually it's "just" a set of very stable digital oscillators with envelopes. In the right hands it can do wonders and a skilled programmer can program it beyond recognition. In fact I belive this is the digital synth which can emulate anaogue sounds in the most convincing way. Also the timbral control by playing expression is beyond anything else I've ever seen. The problem is there are very few skilled DX-7 programmers around (and I'm not one of them either :-)) which results in most people using factory sounds. As was pointed out even KW used mainly factory sounds on EC. Unfortunately the factory sounds aren't so terribly good and we've heard them all now but there still is a lot of unused potential in the DX-7 to be discovered. Another thing which ads to it's charme is the fact that it uses 8 Bit d/a converters (12 bit on the DX-7II) which prevent the sound from becoming too "clean" and liveless. ________ michael __________________________________________________ http://www.muc.de/~majortom/analogue/amusic.htm ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 10 Apr 96 08:35:20 EDT Subject: RE: TX7 Really-From: Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@compuserve.com> The TX7 is not a rack mountable device, but is a stand alone module very similar looking to the Roland MT-32. Otherwise it is fairly identical in terms of the DX7's sound architechture and controllers. You should be able to pick one up for about 150-200 dollars. I personally find that the six-operator fm sounds are really rather useful. The original presets were completely rubbish in comparison to what you can do with the machines, and it sits well amongst analogue stuff. To any owners, since analogue percussion sounds are so ubiquitous these days, the six operator fm synths can create really unique sounding percussion too, which samples up well. Scott, thanks for the info on the cover version. Tom ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:46:07 +0200 Subject: Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Hi, KraftwerK fans! Recently I saw the CD compilation-tribute "Trans Slovenia Express" made by Laibach & Co... So I wonder how does it sounds like? Is this a really good tribute to KW music, or just a caricatural bullshit?... Does anybody listened to that? I know that Laibach did some interesting musics, but in their own strange style, so I would like to know what did they do with KW music... ?:-o Tim XX INSTITUT FRANCAIS DU PETROLE XXXXXXXXXXXXXX Direction Informatique et Mathematiques Appliquees XX XX Groupe Image XX XX XXXXXX Timour JGENTI XX XX XX Timour.Jgenti@ifp.fr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:45:58 -0500 Subject: Re: help Really-From: datta@archive.uwp.edu Folks, this is the first time I have invoked martial law and I have banned Transito@aol.com from posting to any of the music lists here. I realize he could get a new AOL screen name but if this occurs again, I will remove the new address also. There was no excuse whatsoever for the posting Transito sent to the list. Especially considering the message he was replying to is over 15 days old and the person had long since unsubscribed successfully. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: help Really-From: gewither@mailbox.syr.edu (gewither) >-- Really-From: Transito@aol.com >HEY, HEY! >Get a hold of yourself! Slow down, keep your panties on and don't get your >nipples all hard and sweaty.... Geez. >**In the first place; learn how to spoke correctly. If you're going to try to >speak English at least do us a favor and DON'T LEAVE THE SON-OF-A-BITCH >WORDS OUT!!! >1) "but am still getting..." >HELLO!- YOU FORGOT THE FUCKING LETTER I! >2) "I did unsubscribe thing...." >"THE"? - IS THAT WHAT YOU FORGOT?! >3) "necessay" >WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THAT?!! GHETTO-FUCKING-BUCKWHEAT-TALK?!! >4) "can anyone help me to stop getting this list?" >YEAH, WE CAN "HELP YOU TO STOP" BEING A DICKHEAD AND LEARN HOW TO TALK >RIGHT!! >Let me guess: "But they were all typos! I know to talk English...." WHAT; ARE >YOU TYPING WITH YOUR FUCKING TOES?!! WHAT ARE YOU- ARMLESS ARNOLD AND HIS >INCREDIBLE TYPING TWAT?!! If I were you I'd forget everything about >Kraftwerk, computers, typing, AND THE WHOLE MOTHER-FUCKING ENGLISH LANGUAGE >for that matter! >**In the second place, about unsubscribing; >YOU'RE FUCKED! You know for outbursts like this people like you should be banned from the list. I don't know what your problem ist you English-centric idiot. Have you ever considered the fact that more people on earth don't speak english than do? Since if is obviious to all of us that YOU can't speak any other language than english is seems that YOU are the minority so do us all a favor and SHUT UP! Und wenn du glaubst, dass du damit irgend jemand besonders beindruecken kannst, hast du absolute verrechnet. BLOEDMAN! Jerry Withers Only Amiga //// A2000/950HD 030/882/17Mb 50Mhz //// makes A2386 & VGA & 150MB HD gewither@.mailbox.syr.edu \\\\//// it A2230 GVP Spectrum 28/24 \\\///possible! AmigaD0S 3.1 CD-ROM - -- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 10 Apr 96 10:06:16 EDT Subject: Re: help Really-From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@compuserve.com> >Get a hold of yourself...blah blah blah... HEY, HEY, *HEY*...! There's no need for that! How many languages can YOU speak (or type!) for instance ? And maybe...just maybe...he *is* typing with his toes...maybe even his twat! So what?...I understood him perfectly well. However, I don't understand YOU. Get a hold of YOURSELF, slow down, keep YOUR panties on and SHOW A BIT OF TOLERANCE! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:51:08 +0100 Subject: Erasure Chertsey Endloss / Deutsche Mixes Really-From: Simon Godfrey > [re: Erasure's "Chertsey Endlos"]... > Really-From: prabhu@cs.umass.edu (Rajesh Prabhu) > Does anybody have "inside info" whether the title has anything to do > with Kraftwerk or is it just a coincidence? There's no attribution to K'werk > anywhere on the liner notes, so it's probably the latter, but then who knows? > Vince Clarke is one of the pioneers of synth-music, and Erasure's already > done an Abba tribute mini-album ..... I'm sure it is a direct nod to Kraftwerk - Don't know why Chertsey though? On the subject of Erasure, I have a 1-sided promo 12" of Blue Savannah. The first version (Der Deutsche Mix II) is a fairly ordinary drum-based remix. The second version (Der Deutsche Mix I) features quite a few Kraftwerk samples and riffs all the way through - including the breathing and gear sounds from Tour De France and the drum sounds and patterns from The Robots (I think it's The Robots - it's quite a while since I last played it). Both versions have Andy Bell's vocals. Catalogue no: XL12 MUTE 109, released 1990. I bought my copy from a record fair just after the single's release. I don't know whether the Deutsche Mixes appeared on any other releases of the single - maybe on a limited edition 12" or CD-single? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:51:04 +0100 Subject: Autobahn on Tomorrow's World Really-From: Simon Godfrey > [re: Autobahn]... > Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) > This album was first previewed in the UK on Tomorrows World. Does anyone > have this on video? A performance of Autobahn has been repeated (in short clips) on various BBC TV programmes over the last few years, the longest of which was sadly only 2 or 3 minutes long (The Rock and Roll Years 1971). I'm pretty sure this clip was taken from Tomorrow's World. "The Rock and Roll Years" series is available on BBC video, but probably not worth the 10 or 12 pounds for such a short clip - best wait for the series to be repeated! It would be very interesting to see the full TW clip, which no doubt included some blurb about their instruments. Incidentally (you probably know this already) Kraftwerk were featured on TW again in 1991, just before their UK tour - this included a performance by the four robots but no actual interview. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: DX7 or not DX7 ... Who really cares? Really-From: "Gerald E. Withers" At the risk of getting flamed I state the following: Who reallly cares if the used a DX7 or fairlight or whatever? The endresult is what counts. We all like what Kraftwerk produced (obviously, otherwise we wouldn't be reading this), but I am getting rather tired of reading the flood of messages on speculative assumptions as to what equipment Kraftwerk used. Why doesn't somebody ask them for a list of the equipment they used and get it over with? Don't get me wrong, I am facinated by technology as I assume we all are, but I sometimes - especially when it comes to music prefer to enjoy that analyze. Am I going to get any support on this or I going to be left to grill in the flames of cyberspace? BTW, I wonder if Kraftwerk use Amigas for anything. (I'm not sure if I should refer to Kraftwerk in the present or past tense... ) Jerry Jerry Withers Only Amiga //// A2000/100HD 030/882/5Mb 50Mhz 401 Euclid Ave //// makes A2386 & VGA 150MB HD Syracuse N.Y. 13210 \\\\//// it A2230 GVP Spectrum 28/24 gewither@.mailbox.syr.edu \\\///possible! AmigaD0S 3.1 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:05:01 -0400 Subject: RE: No Subject Really-From: DOUDIB@muze.com (DOUGLAS DIBBERN), MATLAN@muze.com (MATTHEW LANDOLF) "Maybe even his twat"-- what genius. >Get a hold of yourself...blah blah blah... HEY, HEY, *HEY*...! There's no need for that! How many languages can YOU speak (or type!) for instance ? And maybe...just maybe...he *is* typing with his toes...maybe even his twat! So what?...I understood him perfectly well. However, I don't understand YOU. Get a hold of YOURSELF, slow down, keep YOUR panties on and SHOW A BIT OF TOLERANCE! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:50:56 +0000 Subject: "Vom Himmel hoch"? Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > here are the track listings for the two tapes... > > tape 1 : (...) > von himmelhoch (...) Could you please give me more details about this clip? Is it the "Beat Club" appearance from 1971 with Florian Schneider, Klaus Dinger and Michael Rother, or is it something different? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:54:51 +0000 Subject: "Tour de France" on CD Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > Surprisingly, there has been only one appearance of 'Tour De > France' on CD format as yet, on a German compilation CD called > 'DJ's Best', one of the 7" remix edits. There are at least two more official appearances of "Tour de France" on CD: 1. In 1987 the track appeared on a Double-CD: "Cool Groove non stop blast mix I". It was "only" part of a medley, but since the CD was an EMI release, it was somehow an "official" version/mix of "Tour de France". Other formats of this release were Double-LP and cassette. 2. In 1988/1989/1990 (I don't remember the exact year) one of these German "Formel 1" compilation CD's contained one of the single edits. I think that it was the French language 7" remix edit (but I may be wrong). Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:31:59 -0700 Subject: Re: help Really-From: l.meyer@ix.netcom.com (L. Meyer ) You wrote: >Really-From: Transito@aol.com ^^^^^^^ >HEY, HEY! >Get a hold of yourself! Slow down, keep your panties on and don't get >your nipples all hard and sweaty.... Geez. >**In the first place; learn how to spoke correctly. ^^^^^ >DON'T LEAVE THE SON-OF-A-BITCH WORDS OUT!!! >HELLO!- YOU FORGOT THE FUCKING LETTER I! >WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THAT?!! GHETTO-FUCKING-BUCKWHEAT-TALK?!! >YEAH, WE CAN "HELP YOU TO STOP" BEING A DICKHEAD AND LEARN HOW TO TALK >RIGHT!! >WHAT; ARE YOU TYPING WITH YOUR FUCKING TOES?!! >WHAT ARE YOU- ARMLESS ARNOLD AND HIS INCREDIBLE TYPING TWAT?!! >If I were you I'd forget everything about Kraftwerk, computers, >typing, AND THE WHOLE MOTHER-FUCKING ENGLISH LANGUAGE for that matter! >YOU'RE FUCKED! This is the kind of crap that we really don't need in this list. Unfortunately, it had to be from an AOLer... I guess his daddy is going to be pretty mad at him when he finds out what he's been using his (daddy's) account for... ;-) |_ |\/| --- L.Meyer@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 10 Apr 96 12:17:52 EDT Subject: Elektrik Musik Interview Really-From: Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@CompuServe.COM> I have an interview with Karl Bartos in an English music technology magazine called Future Music from September 1993. It talks a bit about his views on Kraftwerk, but focuses predominantly on Elektrik Musik. Does anyone want me to type it up? Tom ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:46:23 -0400 Subject: DX7 Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com I read with great interest all the letters on KW equipment. I could handle every letter being about it (wishful thinking). Why don't we "just ask them?" Ok - I'll write and mail the Kling Klang studio a letter and ask Ralf or Florian personally. No wait - maybe I'll just call them or mail them a letter at their houses........ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:45:49 -0400 Subject: RE: Elektrik Musik Interview Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >I have an interview with Karl Bartos in an English music technology magazine >called Future Music from September 1993. It talks a bit about his views on >Kraftwerk, but focuses predominantly on Elektrik Musik. Does anyone want me to >type it up? >Tom Go for it!! Lon ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #524 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #525 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 10 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 525 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:09:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Really-From: ae890@detroit.freenet.org (Ian Malbon) Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) posted: > > >Hi, KraftwerK fans! > >Recently I saw the CD compilation-tribute "Trans Slovenia Express" >made by Laibach & Co... So I wonder how does it sounds like? >Is this a really good tribute to KW music, or just a caricatural >bullshit?... >Does anybody listened to that? I know that Laibach did some interesting >musics, but in their own strange style, so I would like to know >what did they do with KW music... ?:-o I have not heard this tribute myself, but I do know (and sometimes even like) Laibach's material. Word on the street, however, is that this tribute is bad for Kraftwerk fans, and not too good for Laibach fans either. Sounds like an interesting concept, though. I'll give it a listen someday, just for the novelty value. Another interesting, but disappointing compilation came out last year on Hypnotic Records called "Trancewerk Express Vol. I". Basically a euro-trance-techno tribute including radical reworkings of Kraftwerk tracks by these relative unknowns: Exis 01, Teller's, Audio Science, Reverse Pulse Envelope, Purttiv J., Meedom & Wind, Ultravision, Kirk, Ikon Crap, if you ask me. And I consider myself a serious techno listener. - -- Therefore, I.M. ae890@detroit.freenet.org 3/4 of what's called techno today should be called something else... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:24:17 +0000 Subject: Re: DX7 or not DX7 ... Who really cares? Really-From: "Gustav Holmberg" > > BTW, I wonder if Kraftwerk use Amigas for anything. (I'm not sure if I > should refer to Kraftwerk in the present or past tense... ) > I've heard that they used an *Atari* for some live video stuff. ;-) Gustav Holmberg, PhD student, History of Science and Ideas Lund University, Sweden. Gustav.Holmberg@fil.lu.se http://www.df.lth.se/~wilt ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Erasure Chertsey Endloss / Deutsche Mixes Really-From: Lazlo Nibble > I don't know whether the Deutsche Mixes appeared on any other releases > of the single - maybe on a limited edition 12" or CD-single? Both "der deutsche" mixes of Blue Savannah are on the US CD5 (Sire/Reprise 21428-2), which as far as I know is still in print. They're also on the second UK CD5 (LCD MUTE 109) and the third UK 12" (XL12 MUTE 109). - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:58:11 -0400 Subject: Transito's ... Really-From: "Richard V. Paiement" >Really-From: Transito@aol.com > >**In the first place; learn how to spoke correctly. If you're going to try to >speak English at least do us a favor and Wait a minute... this is a coded message: The word 'spoke', an obvious grammar error (not even a typo), of course refers to some of Kraftwerk members' passion for cyclism, while 'English' is an obvious reference to that old British colony, Canada. So Kraftwerk are coming to Canada to participate in a cycling race? When? After the release of their next studio album, titled 'Correctly'? Really? And they expect to win 'first place' or they will be disappointed? That's understandable! Back to the DX7 discussions... P.S. Thanks to Dave for invoking the martial law. P.S.S. What has been happening to the heading (table of contents) in many of the recent digests? ********************************************************************** Richard V. Paiement, P.Eng. 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(I'm not sure if I > > should refer to Kraftwerk in the present or past tense... ) > > > I've heard that they used an *Atari* for some live video stuff. ;-) Yes, I can confirm this... My roommate used to work for Atari and he showed me a fax from Ralf Hutter regarding some software for his ST Book (the Atari ST notebook that was never officially released)... Doug ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:29:29 +0100 Subject: RE: Elektrik Musik Interview Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) > >>I have an interview with Karl Bartos in an English music technology magazine >>called Future Music from September 1993. It talks a bit about his views on >>Kraftwerk, but focuses predominantly on Elektrik Musik. Does anyone want me Yeah, lets have more interviews and less waffle!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:33:17 +0100 Subject: Re: Autobahn on Tomorrow's World Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >A performance of Autobahn has been repeated (in short clips) on various BBC >TV programmes over the last few years, the longest of which was sadly only 2 >or 3 minutes long (The Rock and Roll Years 1971). I'm pretty sure this clip >was taken from Tomorrow's World. "The Rock and Roll Years" series is Yes, this clip was taken from tomorrows world, but as you point out it is not the complete thing. >It would be very interesting to see the full TW clip, which no doubt >included some blurb about their instruments. Incidentally (you probably know >this already) Kraftwerk were featured on TW again in 1991, just before their >UK tour - this included a performance by the four robots but no actual Is this commercially available? Has it been repeated? If not maybe we could write to the BBC requesting that it is shown again in the near future. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:36:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Yello fans? Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) Jerry Withers asked: >I was wondering how many Kraftwerk fans out there are also big Yello Fans? I >know I am! I am to. But they've lost their sense of direction in recent times, just like you know who...... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:48:59 +0100 Subject: Re: help Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >Folks, this is the first time I have invoked martial law and I have >banned Transito@aol.com from posting to any of the music lists here. >I realize he could get a new AOL screen name but if this occurs again, >I will remove the new address also. > >There was no excuse whatsoever for the posting Transito sent to the >list. Especially considering the message he was replying to is over 15 >days old and the person had long since unsubscribed successfully. > I couldn't agree more. My 'pranks' are intended to be harmless fun. Transito@aol.com is obviously a complete idiot. I hope he doesn't represent the average AOL subscriber..... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:55:07 +0100 Subject: Re: help Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) Why is it necessary for people who are replying to that idiot from AOL to post e-mails which contain his original text? I'm sick of opening a mail message to see it again. Language like that is at home on the Depeche Mode mailing list. Lets keep this list a well intended discussion about Kraftwerk. Brian ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:44:23 +0100 Subject: Re: NME compilation Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) > Well, this is indeed a cover version of Kraftwerk's "Tour de France" >single which was released in 1983. I believe that there is mention of 10 >Speed's version of the song on the official Kraftwerk Discography in the KW TDF was released twice in the UK. WAS it the K-werk version both times or the 10 Speed and K-werk versions seperately. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Elektrik Musik Interview Really-From: "Gerald E. Withers" On 10 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > I have an interview with Karl Bartos in an English music technology magazine > called Future Music from September 1993. It talks a bit about his views on > Kraftwerk, but focuses predominantly on Elektrik Musik. Does anyone want me to > type it up? > > Tom > By all means! Please do! :) Jerry Withers Only Amiga //// A2000/100HD 030/882/5Mb 50Mhz 401 Euclid Ave //// makes A2386 & VGA 150MB HD Syracuse N.Y. 13210 \\\\//// it A2230 GVP Spectrum 28/24 gewither@.mailbox.syr.edu \\\///possible! AmigaD0S 3.1 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: DX7 Really-From: "Gerald E. Withers" On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > > I read with great interest all the letters on KW equipment. I could handle > every letter being about it (wishful thinking). Why don't we "just ask > them?" Ok - I'll write and mail the Kling Klang studio a letter and ask > Ralf or Florian personally. No wait - maybe I'll just call them or mail them > a letter at their houses........ > Why not!? I'm moving to Germany in June so I'll give it a try. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: DX7 or not DX7 ... Who really cares? Really-From: "Gerald E. Withers" On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote:> > > > BTW, I wonder if Kraftwerk use Amigas for anything. (I'm not sure if I > > should refer to Kraftwerk in the present or past tense... ) > > > I've heard that they used an *Atari* for some live video stuff. ;-) An Atari for live Video??? Wow, I find that hard to believe. The Amiga is the Video computer, not the Atari. Jerry Withers Only Amiga //// A2000/100HD 030/882/5Mb 50Mhz 401 Euclid Ave //// makes A2386 & VGA 150MB HD Syracuse N.Y. 13210 \\\\//// it A2230 GVP Spectrum 28/24 gewither@.mailbox.syr.edu \\\///possible! AmigaD0S 3.1 > ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Yello fans? Really-From: "Gerald E. Withers" On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > Jerry Withers asked: > >I was wondering how many Kraftwerk fans out there are also big Yello Fans? I > >know I am! > > I am to. But they've lost their sense of direction in recent times, just > like you know who...... > At least Yello releases new material in "acceptable" time periods. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: help Really-From: "Gerald E. Withers" On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote:> > Why is it necessary for people who are replying to that idiot from AOL to > post e-mails which contain his original text? I'm sick of opening a mail > message to see it again. Language like that is at home on the Depeche Mode > mailing list. Now what is that supposed to mean! Language like that belongs on the Depeche Mode list! I like Depeche Mode and would want to see it there either. I take it you don't. > > Lets keep this list a well intended discussion about Kraftwerk. > Brian > Here, Here!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: help Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) wrote: >Lets keep this list a well intended discussion about Kraftwerk. Agreed. While we're at it, why don't we also try to keep this list free from "pranks which are intended to be harmless fun" as well. Remember folks, this is a discussion list about Kraftwerk, not practical jokes & flame provocations. Such antics are occasionally able to be appreciated from a grade school perspective & mentality, but otherwise I can see no redeeming value of their presence on this list. Now then, back to Kraftwerk... Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "It's in the air for you and me..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:11:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Fairlights, syns. DX7's and stuff. Really-From: Brendan Heading >on the Synclavier. Very notable for it's engineering quality is Trevor >Horn's production of Grace Jones' Slave to the Rythm. He was one of the first to get a Fairlight too, and he got a couple of folks to play with it. The result was The Art of Noise. >Which makes it quite different to the Fairlight. In the time the >Fairlight was most popular (model II, II+) as used by JMJ (magnetic >Fields is a good example of extensive Fairlight use) He'd only just bought the Fairlight then. He used it quite a bit in the Music For Supermarkets fiasco album, but Zoolook is composed almost entirely on a Fairlight. If someone asked me about a tribute to the Fairlight, I would give them a copy of Zoolook. It is 80% Fairlight samples, all edited by Jarre. Similarish to the Art of Noise. A lot of Magnetic Fields is pure synth, but a very good album nonetheless. Jarre still uses the CMI today :) >The Fairlight uses SSM filters (one for every voice) and these filters are >regarded as the best IC based filter design which are said to be much >"fatter" sounding than the more widely spread Curtis CEM designs. SSM >filters are used on very few synthesiszers as on the Rev 1 + 2 Prophet >V's Yeah, they're an important part of the P5 and also the wonderful Korg Polysix. Now, Magnetic Fields as mentioned above could be regarded as a tribute to the Prophet 5 !!! Almost the entire MF part 2, ie the lead line, is composed on a P5. >On the DX-7. IMO the DX-7 is a true synthesizers in the meaning of the >word. Unlike other digital keyboards it is not sample based but really >generates it's sounds itself without using DSP. Yes, you've hit it right on the button. It's not like a wavetable synth. I said a while ago that I hated the DX7, but I should withdraw that - what I really meant was that I hated the presets. >recognition. In fact I belive this is the digital synth which can >emulate anaogue sounds in the most convincing way. The word "emulate" would pertain more to a sampler (Emulator!!!! :) It does *generate* the sounds though, which makes it a true Synthesiser. >Also the timbral >control by playing expression is beyond anything else I've ever seen. Do you mean the breath controller ? Yeah, that was wonderful !!!! :) >________ michael __________________________________________________ > http://www.muc.de/~majortom/analogue/amusic.htm Thanks Mike, for an excellent insight on the Fairlight and the Syn. |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #525 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #526 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 11 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 526 Re: Elektrik Musik Interview Re: Synclaviers, DX7s, et al Amiga? Digest header RE: TX7 RE: Elektrik Musik Interview Organisation in the infobahr... Aktivitaet 7 - 'From the Robots to a Human' Part 2 Electric Cafe Re: Organisation in the infobahr... Re: Fairlights, syns. DX7's and stuff. Future Music "Vom Himmel hoch"? Re: help ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:13:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Elektrik Musik Interview Really-From: Brendan Heading >I have an interview with Karl Bartos in an English music technology magazine >called Future Music from September 1993. It talks a bit about his views on >Kraftwerk, but focuses predominantly on Elektrik Musik. Does anyone want me >to type it up? >Tom Yes! Go ahead! One tip, though, DON't READ FUTURE MUSIC. It's amateur and crap. Read Sound on Sound if you want to take electronic music creation+production seriously. I used to read FM as well, it's just I told a guy down at a music shop, and he laughed very loud indeed, and said "Read Sound on Sound". |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:13:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Synclaviers, DX7s, et al Really-From: Brendan Heading > Maybe this is why this recording is my only venture into Jarre. I >also found this outing quite a disappointment, especially after all the >positive things I had heard about this guy. >Phil N. Go out and buy Equinoxe, Oxygene and Chronologie in that order. I'm a dedicated Jarre-head, and I agree that RendezVous is weak and not generally Jarre's style. Check out Images, the best-of compilation. It's a good intro to him. |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:32:16 +0200 Subject: Amiga? Really-From: Paulo Mouat >> I've heard that they used an *Atari* for some live video stuff. ;-) > > An Atari for live Video??? Wow, I find that hard to believe. The Amiga > is the Video computer, not the Atari. Apart the feeling that there is some misunderstanding here--I believe that what was meant was that the ST *appeared* on a live video--I can't agree with Amiga being the Video computer... Only in a domestic/cheap standpoint, I concede, but for true video processing one can't beat the ultimate perfection of some Silicon Graphics machines (desktop-wise, because if we turn to mainframes, the choice would be the Connection Machine). Turning to KW, I think it is interesting to note that they seldom use computer generated imagery with profusing complex effects and abstract realities (as some recent Pet Shop Boys videos). They used it indeed (only on "Musique Non Stop"?) when this whole trend was far from common. Of note are their four modeled heads singing in perfect sync with the music, which is something rarely seen even today. Today, and it fits with that "romantic" view of technology exhibited on live shows, they simply superimpose some highly pixellated text over normal images ("The Robots" from "The Mix"), in a rather crude manner. And it all is amazingly coherent... - -- ********************************* Paulo Mouat, mouat@telepac.pt ********************************* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:40:31 -0500 Subject: Digest header Really-From: datta@archive.uwp.edu : Really-From: "Richard V. Paiement" : P.S.S. What has been happening to the heading (table of contents) in many I almost missed this... I am aware of the missing table of contents, I have reported it to the authors of the digest package. Hopefully the problem will be fixed on the next version of the software. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:50:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: RE: TX7 Really-From: Brendan Heading >The TX7 is not a rack mountable device, but is a stand alone module very >similar looking to the Roland MT-32. A module, yes. Similar to a rackmount, except you don't stick it in between two metal poles :) > Otherwise it is fairly identical in >terms of the DX7's sound architechture and controllers. I believe that it is in fact the same synthesis engine. Apparently it was a little more easy to use, so there would be some mods to it. |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:15:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: RE: Elektrik Musik Interview Really-From: Brendan Heading Sorry, wrong subject !!!!!!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Who reallly cares if the used a DX7 or fairlight or whatever? The >endresult is what counts. We all like what Kraftwerk produced (obviously, >otherwise we wouldn't be reading this), It's not really speculative, we've got evidence!!!! You make good points, but the initial thing was over Electric Cafe and The Mix, many believe that those two albums were crud. (I haven't heard EC yet, and The Mix is OK I s'pose) I was just saying that this might be down to the use of DX7 presets - one of many reasons. >BTW, I wonder if Kraftwerk use Amigas for anything. (I'm not sure if I >should refer to Kraftwerk in the present or past tense... ) I'm an Amigadude as well, and I fear the Amiga's distinct lack of audio facilites may have prevented it. Though they could have used one for the raytraced cover on Electric Cafe !!! A very nice sys you have there, BTW. |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:46:54 +0200 (MDT) Subject: Organisation in the infobahr... Really-From: Anders Wilhelm Well, actually the infobahr is as chaoticly organised as usuall, BUT as people have been pleaing, I have made the Organisation - Tonefloat available via the infobahr. So boot up your browser and get a some waves from the Web at Raststelle Kraftwerk. All tracks are in MPEG-2, so if you don't have maPlay or similar player get it first. Be aware of the tracks being quite large (track 1 is 28 MB...) Have to get some sleep now. *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "Wowowowowowowowowowowowowow, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* wowowowowowowowowowowowowow * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * wowowowow, blippblipp-PACMAN * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 10 Apr 96 20:26:21 EDT Subject: Aktivitaet 7 - 'From the Robots to a Human' Part 2 Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> 'From the Robots to a Human' - an interview with Wolfgang Fluer by The Prof. Aktivitaet 7 - September 1995 Part 2 of 2 Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The Prof; You and Karl Bartos left to form your own project as Elektric Music. This is now not the case, as he is successfully involved with other artists and projects. Do you still intend to work with him one day? Wolfgang Fluer; "Who knows the future? I was never really involved in Karl's band, but we are in contact. Sometimes we meet each other and discuss our music." Have you any intentions to collaborate or produce other groups and artists? "No, I'm not sure if I am able to do so. No, I don't want to do that." What are your plans now and can you tell us about Yamo? "I built the group before two years ago, to make a song for the victims of the war in Bosnia, especially the children that have lost their parents and were wounded in the battles. I wanted to do something instead of only watching TV and getting information. I could not stand all those awful pictures every day. I created the song 'Little Child' with co-lyricist Emil and the singer Nina Moers. But I couldn't release it as a benefit single. There was not enough interest by the media or record companies.In fact, that was the reason to go back to music again. Now I'm going to re-record that track and sing the song by myself. My album, which I call 'Blue Stories', is nearly 50% recorded and I hope to find the right company now in these days. My concept is not creating 'a new sound' but to bring my stories with different kinds of music that fit to the contents.My partners in this work are Bodo Staiger (formerly with Rheingold) and Andy Thoma (from 'Mouse on Mars' project). I also met a young female singer at the 'kiosk'; Jedra Dayl. She has a lovely voice and is such a charming person that I am pleased for her to work with us. And? ... She agreed! I'm proud to present her in my project." I hear the debut when it is released will be called 'Signals'. Can you tell us a little more about this and what we might expect from you? "Yes, you are right, I wanted to call my debut 'Signals', because one of my favourite songs is 'Signals of Love'. It's a sign to all the humans in the world. The music speaks by itself. But now I call the album 'Blue Stories'. It will be like a short-story book with different themes, from headlines of the newspapers, from my dreams and stories of my private life. They're all very different, like life is in general. They have to do with our responsibility for nature, the humans, the children. But they also have to do with observations of our teachers, our parents and the colours that surround us, with joy of life, love and fun and dancing..." Did you enjoy your meetings with people like LFO and Andy McCluskey from OMD? "Oh, yes, very much. I especially loved the meeting with Andy in my flat in Duesseldorf. We had such a nice evening in that summer, with some bottles of Italian white wine and a big bowl of the Wolfgang Fluer special vegetarian salad. We were joking and talking the whole night then. Andy promised me to become the "Julio Iglesias de electronique" (harr-harr)!" Is there a particular artist you would like to work with one day? "Yes, I have already reached that point. I'm working with Andy Thoma, Bodo Staiger and Jedra Dayl on my music, with Emil Schult, Theo Queket and Lisa Hillebrand on my lyrics." Is there any influence or music you like to listen to? "Oh, yes, of course I do have a lot of musical influences, since I can think and since I make music. I listen to every style of music that is developed in a good taste. Since the last three years, I do not listen so much to other music and I'm taking my 'silence days', I want to keep my ears free for my own melodies, if you know what I mean!" Did you ever enjoy cycling or other sporting activities? "I knew that you would ask me that particular question! When I was with my former friends and we did the video for 'Tour De France' you see me cycling with 'the gang' in a reassuring speed. The reason is that I don't like speed of any kind. I hate to rush, to hurry, to fly... (oh, that could be another new title; 'Don't Rush and Hurry'). I'm really afraid of all of that. I don't know the reason, but slowliness gives me more time to notice and enjoy my surroundings. Another reason why I'm not in the usual sports is that I'm not interested in winning against someone else. It has always to do with a sort of competition. I don't need that. But I do go for long walks to the nice nature in this lovely area around my town. Sometimes I'm out for the whole day and sometimes I even go out at night. Not to the disco I mean. Not anymore. I have my best ideas by walking and mostly I go with my friends." What plans so you have now? "Oh, what a question... Of course, I hope now to find the right company for my music and then I'd like to do some more albums with my friends. I will do one benefit song on every album in the future to support a home for children that were rescued from the horrible war in the former- Yugoslavia by brave people that are friends of mine." Tell us a little about the sort of equipment you are now using to create your own songs, as your former band have always been associated with music technology to create their unique music tones. "I'm not so much into creating 'my own sound', whatever it could be. I'm more into making my melodies and my stories. I work very normal, as a lot of other artists. At first, I write my story and make the rhymes. During writing, I mostly get the melody by reading the sentences. I do only little arrangements afterwards with the usual Cubase program on my Macintosh computer. At first I set the drums and the beat. This is important for the singing, then I create the parts. I mean, the part of the song; the verse, the chorus or a bridge-part or other specialities. Mostly, I only know the melody line before. Everything else happens by doing and working. then I make a copy of my program on floppy disk and go to the studio of Andy or Bodo and we start recording the instruments, drums and vocals and whatever is necessary for the song." - - END - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:38:13 -0400 Subject: Electric Cafe Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com Geez...so a lot of people hate this album. I must say, I am a fan of analog - - but this is a wonderful album.....I personally like the DX7ish sounds and Synclavier - the BEST part of this album, however, is the subtle and wonderful use of reverb and delay - they are flawless. I also like the subway train roar sound at the beginning of "Techno Pop" - that kind of sound playing is nice.....BTW - I personally think that Kraftwerk were aware of the preset DX7 sounds because it goes along with their "global music" ideas from that period and now. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:59:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Organisation in the infobahr... Really-From: stdwle@shsu.edu (W. Ladd Ellett) >Really-From: Anders Wilhelm > > >Well, actually the infobahr is as chaoticly organised as usuall, BUT >as people have been pleaing, I have made the Organisation - Tonefloat >available via the infobahr. So boot up your browser and get a >some waves from the Web at Raststelle >Kraftwerk.>**************************************************************** >*********** Pardon, but what is the URL of the kraftwerk page you are talking about? Yours curiously, W.L.Ellett Email:stdwle@shsu.edu Web Page: http://www.shsu.edu/~stdwle/ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:19:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Fairlights, syns. DX7's and stuff. Really-From: l.meyer@ix.netcom.com (L. Meyer ) You wrote: >On the DX-7. IMO the DX-7 is a true synthesizers in the meaning of the >word. Unlike other digital keyboards it is not sample based but really >generates it's sounds itself without using DSP. >In fact I belive this is the digital synth which can emulate analogue >sounds in the most convincing way. I wouldn't say that. The DX7 sounds "too thin" (IMHO) when it comes to emulating analog synths. The Casio CZs sounded a lot more "analog like", and where a hell of a lot easier to program than the DX. And CZs where (and still are) also very useful for generating KW-style electronic noises (just to keep on the subject of this list). ;-) |_ |\/| --- L.Meyer@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:24:47 -0700 Subject: Future Music Really-From: l.meyer@ix.netcom.com (L. Meyer ) You wrote: >Really-From: Brendan Heading >One tip, though, DON't READ FUTURE MUSIC. It's amateur and crap. Read >Sound on Sound if you want to take electronic music creation+ >production seriously. I used to read FM as well, it's just I told a >guy down at a music shop, and he laughed very loud indeed, and said >"Read Sound on Sound". Right on man! :-) Future Music is just a magazine made by a bunch of freaks who think the world revolves around dance music. I only buy FM because of the demos (musical gear & software) that usually come on the CD. ;-) |_ |\/| --- L.Meyer@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 21:35 EDT Subject: "Vom Himmel hoch"? Really-From: dvrt@passport.ca (Dave Rout) Responding to msg by kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) on >Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > > > >> here are the track listings for the two tapes... >> >> tape 1 : > (...) >> von himmelhoch > (...) > >Could you please give me more details about this clip? >Is it the "Beat Club" >appearance from 1971 with Florian Schneider, Klaus >Dinger and Michael >Rother, or is it something different? > >Thanks, > Klaus Zaepke Yes , that is the clip. cheers, dave ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:15:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: help Really-From: Brendan Heading >>YOU'RE FUCKED! > This is the kind of crap that we really don't need in this list. > Unfortunately, it had to be from an AOLer... > I guess his daddy is going to be pretty mad at him when he finds >out what he's been using his (daddy's) account for... ;-) I'll not quote the whole damn thing, but who is this guy, telling everyone how to speak English ? Not with that sort of lingo, NO! |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #526 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #527 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 12 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 527 Re: Organisation in the infobahr... Re: EC & The Mix Elektrik Music Interview - for real... Re: Atari MCT Online transito Computer World MIDI files Re: Trans Slovenia Express Re: help RE: Trans Slovenia Express RE: Elektrik Musik Interview ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:29:34 +0200 (MDT) Subject: Re: Organisation in the infobahr... Really-From: Anders Wilhelm > > Really-From: stdwle@shsu.edu (W. Ladd Ellett) > > > >Really-From: Anders Wilhelm > > > > > >Well, actually the infobahr is as chaoticly organised as usuall, BUT > >as people have been pleaing, I have made the Organisation - Tonefloat > >available via the infobahr. So boot up your browser and get a > >some waves from the Web at Raststelle > >Kraftwerk.>**************************************************************** > >*********** > > > Pardon, but what is the URL of the kraftwerk page you are talking about? > > Yours curiously, > > W.L.Ellett > Email:stdwle@shsu.edu > Web Page: http://www.shsu.edu/~stdwle/ > > > Kraftwerk infobahr located at : http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm/kraftwerk/ /awm - -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:37:57 +0200 Subject: Re: EC & The Mix Really-From: majortom@muc.de (Michael Wesemann) Someone asked if it is worth it to buy Electric Cafe. My opinion is, if you're into KW it is worth buying every record, at least from Autobahn on. Even though I think EC marks a turning point in KW's career as far as being ahead of their time goes I still like it and consider it well worth listening to. One think I noticed about the last two KW records (EC & The Mix) - and I wonder if anybody else feels this way? - is that they "ware off" after having listened to them too many times. Especially The Mix. I was quite thrilled when it came out and thaught "Ah, this is exactly what we've been waiting for!". And I played it endlessly again and again, as I do with all KW records. Today I can't hear it anymore, I've heard it too often, somehow I have the feeling I know it all already. This is very different to other KW records. There are certain tracks I'm listening to for almost 15 years now. I remember there were times when I would play only one track repeatedly almost the whole day (btw. my favorite tracks for this were/are Autobahn & It's more fun to Compute)... And still as I write this I have the big desire to listen to those tracks again. Somehow it's different and new every time. In my opinion this is another turning point marked by EC. Although for me it doesn't ware off as much as The Mix, the effect is beginning to show. ________ michael __________________________________________________ http://www.muc.de/~majortom/analogue/amusic.htm ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 11 Apr 96 07:21:30 EDT Subject: Elektrik Music Interview - for real... Really-From: Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@CompuServe.COM> OK, time to practice my typing skills. By the way for anyone out there who is interested I gave up reading Future Music because it became so crap. The first 18 or so issues were alright, with quite in depth interviews but it since went down hill. The people who write it are such spods, and they really should not write magazines. Sound on Sound isn't much cop either, but it is slightly better. 'Nuff waffle, lets go... Neue Generation "Kraftwerk were like a wonderful jumbo jet that almost never took off. Now I'd rather have my own little Messerchmitt and my own Luftwaffe, and make my own little pirouettes." The Germanic terminology disguises a certain humour which Karl Bartos hardly had an opportunity to reveal during his stint with electro-pop pioneers Kraftwerk, who began in 1975 on the Radio-Activity album. Saddled with a sterile, robotic image (which wasn't entirely justified) and a reputation for secrecy ( which largely was), Kraftwerk nevertheless managed to inspire whole generations of pop, hip-hop and techno musicians, a process which has gone full circle with the involvement of Orchestral Manouevres' Andy McCluskey on Esperanto, the East West Records debut album of Elektric Music. The album's title, referring to the little known universal language, means 'hope', and Bartos's main aspiration for the band seems to be to keep everything as simple as possibe. "Kraftwerk made a big mistake in the middle of the '80s and bought a Synclavier, so now they're stuck with this dinosaur. Everything is built around this machine, and it's hard to improve. In contrast, we just have the typical samplers and a little computer, very basic types of equipment - small and practical - not one big system. We have a Yamaha C1 PC-compatible lap-top computer which has eight MIDI outputs - it's so reliable and we can take it anywhere - and the samplers are Akai S1000s, of course". Neue noise Nevertheless, it has taken two years to get the new band together. "We had to build a new studio, an office, and a rehearsal room, so we see ourselves as complete newcomers for this project". Bartos's partner in Elektric Music is old chum Lothar Manteuffel, previously in Neue Deutsche Welle band Rheingold. "When Kraftwerk started I was still in school, up until 1979. After that I did three albums with Rheinfold - the guy I worked with was originally a guitarist, but later we started working with sequencers and computers. In the early '80s there wasn't too much sampling, and we used some additional musicians, but since the band was basically a two-piece we both had to do a little of everything. Then, when Karl was working on The Mix with Kraftwerk, we developed the idea of forming a new band, and in early '91 we felt it was time to start. Manteuffel's input has helped give the new band a slightly harder edge, but many of the Kraftwerk trademarks are still there - synthsized bleeps replacing bass drums, flanged white noise for snares, robotic voices, samples from radio and TV, driving dance rhythms and simple, catchy melodies. The harder edge isn't an attempt to emulate recent techno bands though - "We haven't particularly been listening to new dance bands, just flicking through MTV and clubbing. We listen to everything and nothing. For instance we don't use drum loops - there's just one very tiny bit on Crosstalk but I'm not exactly happy with it and if we had the chance I'd like to throw it out." Stripped down to a two-piece, Elektric Music might at least prove to be more productive than KW. "In KW there was never a need to put an album out for financial reasons. Lothar always told me he felt KW were like a car with four wheels all going at different speeds - so that in the end it turns out to be rather counter productive. Now the two of us are completely in sync, and in this band we can go much faster." Continuing collaborators from the Kraftwerk days include graphic artist and lyricist Emil Schult. "He has the ability to come up with really good punch lines. 'Wir fahrn'n fahrn'n fahrn'n auf der Autobahn' and 'Shel's a model and she's looking good' were his songs - he would provide the punch line and we'd then sit around with little pieces of paper making jokes and coming up with lines like 'Cancel superstition, let it all hang out' or a synthsized 'Come on, twist and shout'. " END OF PART ONE ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Atari Really-From: Al Crawford > I've heard that they used an *Atari* for some live video stuff. ;-) Confirmed - a friend of mine who went to their show at Glasgow Barrowlands during the _The Mix_ tour told me that midway through one of the tracks (might've been "Numbers", might've been "Radioactivity") their computer-generated "backing video" (i.e. big numbers flashing up on the screen, or "Sellafield" or whatever) crashed, revealing the ST's GEM desktop. Didn't happen at the Edinburgh show later that seem week though so it was probably due to the backstage electrical system or something similar rather than buggy software. Al - -- Al Crawford - awrc@access.digex.net http://www.access.digex.net/~awrc "Art/Empire/Industry" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:39:45 +0000 Subject: MCT Online Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" Kraftwerk's concert agency MCT is now present in the WWW. The URL is http://www.tickets.de Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:41:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: transito Really-From: Jason Musser Screen Name: Transito Member Name: TRANSITO PLASCENCIA Location: Destpuesnitchicluenando, Mexico Sex: Male Marital Status: Married Computers: mac, of course Hobbies: dancing quebraditas Occupation: sell boots and Tejanas Quote: Abuelita de Batman ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:46:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Computer World MIDI files Really-From: Jason Musser I haven't been able to successfully download either of those MIDI files from the Infobahr. Does anyone know where else I can get them? Thanks, - -Jason ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:08:37 -0300 Subject: Re: Trans Slovenia Express Really-From: Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) >Recently I saw the CD compilation-tribute "Trans Slovenia Express" >made by Laibach & Co... So I wonder how does it sounds like? >Is this a really good tribute to KW music, or just a caricatural >bullshit?... >Does anybody listened to that? I know that Laibach did some interesting >musics, but in their own strange style, so I would like to know >that did they do with KW music... ?:-o It's a very interesting tribute. There's more information about it in the FAQ of the Kraftwerk Infobahr. The two Laibach songs in the CD aren't Kraftwerk covers, but originals, making a "homage" =8-/ In my opinion are the two worst tracks!!! =8-) Carlos Jose Quinteiro (-8= carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br EAESP/FGV Brasil ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:08:36 -0300 Subject: Re: help Really-From: Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) >Folks, this is the first time I have invoked martial law and I have >banned Transito@aol.com from posting to any of the music lists here. >I realize he could get a new AOL screen name but if this occurs again, >I will remove the new address also. >There was no excuse whatsoever for the posting Transito sent to the >list. Especially considering the message he was replying to is over 15 >days old and the person had long since unsubscribed successfully. I agree. That guy is a Nazi !! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:17:44 -0300 Subject: RE: Trans Slovenia Express Really-From: Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) >Recently I saw the CD compilation-tribute "Trans Slovenia Express" >made by Laibach & Co... So I wonder how does it sounds like? >Is this a really good tribute to KW music, or just a caricatural >bullshit?... >Does anybody listened to that? I know that Laibach did some interesting >musics, but in their own strange style, so I would like to know >that did they do with KW music... ?:-o It's a very interesting tribute. There's more information about it in the FAQ of the Kraftwerk Infobahr. The two Laibach songs in the CD aren't Kraftwerk covers, but originals, making a "homage" =8-/ In my opinion are the two worst tracks!!! =8-) Carlos Jose Quinteiro (-8= carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br EAESP/FGV Brasil ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:54:53 -0300 Subject: RE: Elektrik Musik Interview Really-From: Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) >I have an interview with Karl Bartos in an English music technology magazine >called Future Music from September 1993. It talks a bit about his views on >Kraftwerk, but focuses predominantly on Elektrik Musik. Does anyone want me >to type it up? No doubts!!! Go ahead!!!! =8-) Carlos Jose Quinteiro (-8= carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br EAESP/FGV Brasil ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #527 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #528 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 13 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 528 Elektric Music Interview Part Two FAQ Re: Electrik Musik interview Re: Electrik Musik interview Re: Electrik Musik interview 'Hit It' compilation CD ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 12 Apr 96 07:22:15 EDT Subject: Elektric Music Interview Part Two Really-From: Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@CompuServe.COM> Here follows the rest of the Elektric Music interview which appeared in the Sept. 93 edition of Future Music. Karl Bartos is interviewed by Mark Jenkins. SEXY ROBOTS Another notable collaborator on the album is Andy McCluskey from OMD who sings on Kissing the Machine. "Andy came to see KW play in Liverpool back in 1975 and it changed his life, which was what made him become a professional musician. On the last OMD album, Sugar Tax, he was doing a cover version of Neon Lights and got in touch with us to ask for some of the original sounds to sample [cheek!!!].Later, he came to the studio, we played him some melodies and he came up with some words - he wanted to do a song about sexy robots. It was just instant!" "Andy's demo used a drum loop, but the rhythm on the finished song is completely our product. He sent some synth noises in the mid range and he sent his vocals on DAT, but because he had forgotten to put down a time code we had to sample them and play them back in one at a time, and also the double-tracking and triple-tracking vocal parts." Handling vocals this way at least enable the band to keep their compositions in the MIDI domain until the last possible moment. "Usually we work in our own studio until everything is completely finished, so we have alot of samples - perhaps 60MB in five samplers. We do everything on MIDI and work on track shifting until it's groovy, and then we end up with all these little boxes with the name of the song on them and all the data on the disks." Given this reliance on massive quantities of sampling, it's not yet quite clear how the band will handle the live performances which are scheduled for later in the year. "When we play on stage, our plan is to do as much as we can live. We don't want to work with tapes as such, so it will all be in real time. We can take the Yamaha computer, we have a young keyboard player, and we are possibly looking for a drummer - but not to play a conventional electronic drum kit." Although KW were innovators in the use of slide and video projections in concerts, Elektric Music shows may be more straightforward. "You can't match bands like U2 now with their huge stage productions, so we'd rather think of something else," offers Lothar. "We'll just start by putting a keyboard stand here, a computer here, a sampler there, then suddenly there's a TV set, then another one - you start to draw a picture, but in the end you don't know what it's going to be." So what distinction would the band like to make between EM and KW? "I would like it to be much more loose," explains Karl. "If KW were, for example, the Starship Enterprise, we'd be something out of Blade Runner - something a bit dirtier that show the part of technology that's rotten. Kraftwerk maybe only shows the chrome surface, and we pull it apart and show some animals crawling around inside...." THREE TIPS FROM ELEKTRIC MUSIC 1. Sample your phonemes Futuristic-sounding EM tracks such as Lifestyle don't need a vocoder. "It's just my voice. Language contains only so many different sounds or phonemes, and if you sample 60 or so you have enough to be able to re-create your personal speech - but it does sound a bit funny. It's a very scientific approach - actually doing it is terrible because you work for hours going 'ahhh' and 'eeeeeh' and then looping it - but onece all that's done you can really have fun with it. Now I have a huge vocal multisample on the Akai S1000 which can be used as a percussion instrument or in any other way. "These techniques can say something we all can't say - you can do silly things, but most of all we like the sound, it's somehow very unusual. You're not listening to one particular person - it's not me, it's not him, it's just somebody, probably that little silicon guy who was unemployed by KW -we hired him and now he's working overtime!" 2. Don't use modern gear EM don't have a Yamaha SY77, a Korg Wavestation or a Roland JD-800. "We've avoided that sort of machine, we'd rather use old cheesy Polymoogs and ARPs which I've still got. Now they're all sampled, they can play polyphonically and in tune. I would like a big Moog, but it's too late to buy them now, the price has gone up - so I'd prefer to rent one and sample it, which is much cheaper." 3. Boil down your demos "Most of our songs develop over a long time through various demo stages. You number your cassettes and make a compilation, and you end up always listening back to four or five songs. So it's a reduction of material; there's a lack of that on most albums, particularly on dance albums, because they put on too many tracks that are alike. I could easily take all the ingredients from a whole album and make one song that was really stong - and that's how we want to work." END ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 14:09:53 +0100 (BST) Subject: FAQ Really-From: Kevin Busby Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) wrote:- > It's a very interesting tribute. There's more information about it in > the FAQ of the Kraftwerk Infobahr. There's a more up-to-date version (V. 2.9 as opposed to V. 1.4) of the FAQ at http://sun1.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk_faq.html. I hope perhaps there will be a link from the Infobahr some time. Even this latest version needs a lot of updating (it was last amended in February) due to the increase of useful postings made to the list. I've started work on it again, but would like to the opinions of people on this list: do you find the references and indices to past digests at all useful? Getting rid of them would mean less work for me and a tidier FAQ, but I know one or two people have found them useful. If you're at all bothered either way, please email me direct (no need to clutter up this list, I think). Regards Kevin ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:59:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Electrik Musik interview Really-From: Jason Musser > productive than KW. "In KW there was never a need to put an album out > for financial reasons. If this seems like a naive question, please don't ridicule me too much, but where do these guys get their money? Other more popular bands are always whining about how they *have* to go on tour to make money. Basically those outfits make it sound like they still have to worry about money. So what about Kraftwerk? I would think they would have this problem in spades. They probably spend lots more on gear than most guitar bands, yet they seldom tour and hardly ever release albums. Have their previous albums just sold so extremely well that they never have to want for money? I'd be kind of surprised. Kraftwerk's fans seem to be rabid but relatively few in number. Does Kling-Klang do other work than just the Kraftwerk albums? I mean, do they make radio jingles or stuff like that to make money? If there's some other secret to how Ralf and Florian manage to keep up their own fabulous studio while not really doing any paying work, I'd sure like to be in on it! I've exhausted all my money and credit buying gear, and I'd sure enjoy having more time to use it without having to show up at my job all the time. Or do Ralf and Florian have day jobs that I just don't know about? - -Jason ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:36:49 -0300 Subject: Re: Electrik Musik interview Really-From: Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) >Have their previous albums just sold so extremely well that they never have to want >for money? I'd be kind of surprised. Kraftwerk's fans seem to be rabid >but relatively few in number. A friend of mine have a record shop and always told me that the sales of the Kraftwerk's CDs are constants (the Cleopatra re-issues, in the last times). We must remember, too, that Ralf & Florian don't have the same lifestyle of some rock stars more "typical"... =8-) Carlos Jose Quinteiro (-8= carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br EAESP/FGV Brasil ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:52:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Electrik Musik interview Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com Also the fact that Ralf and Florian come from well-off families supposedly ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 12 Apr 96 20:50:33 EDT Subject: 'Hit It' compilation CD ? Really-From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> I've just been perusing Lazlo Nibble's excellent KW discography: ftp://ftp.swcp.com/pub/users/lazlo/discographies/kraftwerk promotional CD compilation entitled 'Hit It' (Elektra? PRO-CD-2753), listed as including 2 KW tracks: 'Sex Object' (7" single version and extended version). I assume that these edits are both derived from the 'Electric Cafe' album version - but can anyone confirm this or provide more detail? STAGGMAN ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #528 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #529 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 14 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 529 Re: Amiga? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Amiga? Really-From: gewither@mailbox.syr.edu (gewither) >-- Really-From: Paulo Mouat >>> I've heard that they used an *Atari* for some live video stuff. ;-) >> >> An Atari for live Video??? Wow, I find that hard to believe. The Amiga >> is the Video computer, not the Atari. >Apart the feeling that there is some misunderstanding here--I believe >that what was meant was that the ST *appeared* on a live video--I can't >agree with Amiga being the Video computer... Only in a domestic/cheap Hello! have you ever heard of the Video Toaster? Ever seen Babylon 5 or Seaquest? Them there are Amiga graphics. >standpoint, I concede, but for true video processing one can't beat the >ultimate perfection of some Silicon Graphics machines (desktop-wise, >because if we turn to mainframes, the choice would be the Connection >Machine). Nice Price difference ... Amiga vs Silicon Graphics.. >Turning to KW, I think it is interesting to note that they seldom use > Fine with me, KW it is.. >computer generated imagery with profusing complex effects and abstract >realities (as some recent Pet Shop Boys videos). They used it indeed >(only on "Musique Non Stop"?) when this whole trend was far from common. >Of note are their four modeled heads singing in perfect sync with >the music, which is something rarely seen even today. > Today, and it fits with that "romantic" view of technology exhibited >on live shows, they simply superimpose some highly pixellated text over >normal images ("The Robots" from "The Mix"), in a rather crude manner. >And it all is amazingly coherent... >-- >********************************* > Paulo Mouat, mouat@telepac.pt >********************************* Jerry Withers Only Amiga //// A2000/950HD 030/882/17Mb 50Mhz //// makes A2386 & VGA & 150MB HD gewither@.mailbox.syr.edu \\\\//// it A2230 GVP Spectrum 28/24 \\\///possible! AmigaD0S 3.1 CD-ROM ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #529 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #530 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 16 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 530 Re: track listings for KW tapes UMI-2B Midi interface Kraftwerk on Tomorrow's World Re: help Re: Kraftwerk on Tomorrow's World, VIDEOS OF KRAFTWERK NEW INTERVIEW announcement Re: NEW INTERVIEW announcement ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:01:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: track listings for KW tapes Really-From: Phil Lefkowitz Dave: What date do you expect to be able to ship the tapes to me?? Thanks in advance. Phil At 04:23 PM 4/9/96 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: dvrt@passport.ca (Dave Rout) > > > >for those who have tapes coming to them , >here are the track listings for the two tapes... > >tape 1 : the model > trans europe express > neon lights > musique non stop > the telephone call (these 5 from much music) > the robots (top of the pops) > the model (version) > t.e.e (version) > von himmelhoch > neon lights (version) > making it move (making of animated autobahn) > autobahn (animated video) > > the following tracks have german interview > clips between them... > > radioaktivitat > nummern (live) > computerwelt (live) > taschenrechner (live) > radioaktivitat (version) > showroom dummies (german) > die roboter (live) > trans europa express > heimcomputer (live) > > german t.v footage including > videos , brixton academy footage , > KW on a talk show ?!?! , and > backstage stuff... > > the model (version) > the model (version) > tour de france > autobahn animated video (better quality) > > >tape 2 : live bootleg camcorder footage from 1991 - 1992 > > numbers > computer world > it's more fun to compute > computer love > the model > tour de france > autobahn > radioactivity > trans europe express > the robots > pocket calculator > musique non stop > numbers > computer world > tour de france > the model > > >this listing should be fairly accurate...however the >tapes were dubbed at different times from different >masters... > > thanks, > > dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >" i'm the operator with my pocket calculator " -kw- > > > > > > > > > > > Phil Lefkowitz University of Chicago Graduate School of Business mplefkow@gsgpop.uchicago.edu "Create, don't vegitate" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 18:49:05 +0100 Subject: UMI-2B Midi interface Really-From: Simon Godfrey Not verrry Kraftwerk-related, I'm afraid, but I wonder if anyone can help? - I have a UMI-2B Midi interface and ROMs for a BBC-Micro but no manual. If anyone out there has any manuals or info related to the UMI, *PLEASE* let me know. Any help whatsoever would be very much appreciated. Please email directly, Thanx. Now back to Kraftwerk... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 18:49:01 +0100 Subject: Kraftwerk on Tomorrow's World Really-From: Simon Godfrey >Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >>included some blurb about their instruments. Incidentally (you probably know >>this already) Kraftwerk were featured on TW again in 1991, just before their >>UK tour - this included a performance by the four robots but no actual >Is this commercially available? Has it been repeated? If not maybe we could >write to the BBC requesting that it is shown again in the near future. I seem to remember the 1991 feature being repeated only once, sometime in December 1991 in a TW review-of-the-year special. Sadly I no longer have a copy of this (or any other KW vids). The only three programmes I know of on UK TV that show archive clips are: Later with Jools Holland (BBC2) - possibly a new series in the Summer? - shows 1 clip per show, chosen by one of the guests The White Room (Channel 4) - series finished a couple of weeks ago - 1 clip per show, chosen by the presenter Mark Radcliffe, who is also a DJ on Radio 1 (so you could e-mail him at mark.radcliffe@bbc.co.uk and make a request - NB address may be bbc.org.uk?) TOTP2 (BBC2) - series finished last weekend, probably a new one soon? - shows repeats from the previous week's Top of the Pops and 5 or so archive TOTP appearences, usually from a particular year - Have Kraftwerk ever performed on Top of the Pops? I'm sure they must have around 1980/81? If so, this is probably your best bet. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 20:56:06 +0100 Subject: Re: help Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >Now what is that supposed to mean! Language like that belongs on the >Depeche Mode list! I like Depeche Mode and would want to see it there >either. I take it you don't. Quite frankly I don't want to see language like that anywhere. I once subscribed to the D Mode list and was disappointed to find that a large number of mails including nothing but swearing. Brian PS: Maybe it is better now, I'm not judging! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 21:05:31 +0100 Subject: Re: Kraftwerk on Tomorrow's World, VIDEOS OF KRAFTWERK Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >I seem to remember the 1991 feature being repeated only once, sometime in >December 1991 in a TW review-of-the-year special. Sadly I no longer have a >copy of this (or any other KW vids). I don't have any Kraftwerk off TV. I did recently buy a video of their concert in 1992 at Leicester Polytechnic. This was a warm up gig for their appearance at the Sellafield Power Station charity concert in 1992. The quality of the it is OK, very good for an 'unofficial' release. I bought the vid at Camden Market in North London for 15 pounds. I would suggest this is a VERY GOOD hunting ground for Kraftwerk videos. Those of you not from England may not be aware of Camden Markets reputation for selling virtually anything. Brian PS: The video is not for sale, but I will offer directions for any foreigners visiting London this summer.... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 21:09:05 +0100 Subject: NEW INTERVIEW announcement Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) For those of you wondering where part 2 of the interview which appeared in 'Musik - Electronik it is', I have decided to mail it only to those who request it. Mail me directly if you want Part 2. Brian ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 96 16:53:52 EDT Subject: Re: NEW INTERVIEW announcement Really-From: Henning Colsman-Freyberger I would appreciate getting part 2. Thanks, Henning At 09:09 PM 4/15/96 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) > > >For those of you wondering where part 2 of the interview which appeared in >'Musik - Electronik it is', I have decided to mail it only to those who >request it. Mail me directly if you want Part 2. > >Brian > > > ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #530 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #531 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 17 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 531 Re: Kraftwerk on Tomorrow's World, VIDEOS OF KRAFTWERK Electroids/Electroworld Electroids/Electroworld Re: Electroids/Electroworld ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 10:27:47 +0200 (MDT) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk on Tomorrow's World, VIDEOS OF KRAFTWERK Really-From: Anders Wilhelm > Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >. I would suggest this is > a VERY GOOD hunting ground for Kraftwerk videos. Those of you not from > England may not be aware of Camden Markets reputation for selling virtually > anything. > > Brian You are very right Brian, I bought a video from the Sheffield concert at Cambden, only a few days after it had taken place... I also got my hands on two cassettes from the last Brixton concert there. So go there! /anders (http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm/kraftwerk/Audio/ruhr.wav) - -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 96 9:57:20 BST Subject: Electroids/Electroworld Really-From: "J.A.Dearnley1" Sorry if this has been discussed / reviewed before on this mailing list, but I thought some of you might be interested in getting hold of a copy. A chap who works in a Leicester record shop told me I might like Electroworld, which seems to be a 1995 update / version of Computerworld. Two of the tracks on the album (Future Tone & Stun Gun (I think)) had been released as 7" singles and had been popular in a Leicester Club - the singles played backwards (or from the centre of the disc outwards ...). Anyway, the album is by the Electroids, it's called Electroworld and is published by Warp Records / EMI. It came out last year and I'm told is only available on CD. If you do get hold of a copy (and if you see it you won't miss the Kraftwerk inflections on the cover - i.e yellow!) the standout tracks are Future Tone, Mystery World, Silicon Valley and Japanese Electronics. A word of warning about getting Kraftwerk bootlegs at Camden Lock - in a fit of complete lunacy I bought a double cassette of their Brixton Academy gig back in 1992 (stlg. 12) ... the quality, although advertised as A++ was dreadful (people talking to each other with Kraftwerk on in the background!) - make sure you get the chap to play a track before getting to carried away. Hope that doesn't sound too pompous! James - -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + James Dearnley. DILS. Loughborough University. LE11 3TU.+ + Tel. 01509 223079. Fax. 01509 223053 + + ** OXFORD UNITED FC *** + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 96 05:35 EDT Subject: Electroids/Electroworld Really-From: dvrt@passport.ca (Dave Rout) Responding to msg by kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) on Tue, 16 Apr 9:57 AM > Anyway, the album is by the Electroids, it's called >Electroworld and is > published by Warp Records / EMI. It came out last year >and I'm told is only > available on CD. i saw elektroworld on double vinyl here in in toronto at republic records :) dave ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 14:35:39 EDT Subject: Re: Electroids/Electroworld Really-From: kraftwerk@MIT.EDU >Really-From: "J.A.Dearnley1" > Sorry if this has been discussed / reviewed before on this mailing list, but I > thought some of you might be interested in getting hold of a copy. A chap who > works in a Leicester record shop told me I might like Electroworld, which > seems to be a 1995 update / version of Computerworld. Two of the tracks on the > album (Future Tone & Stun Gun (I think)) had been released as 7" singles and > had been popular in a Leicester Club - the singles played backwards (or from > the centre of the disc outwards ...). > > Anyway, the album is by the Electroids, it's called Electroworld and is > published by Warp Records / EMI. It came out last year and I'm told is only > available on CD. If you do get hold of a copy (and if you see it you won't > miss the Kraftwerk inflections on the cover - i.e yellow!) the standout tracks > are Future Tone, Mystery World, Silicon Valley and Japanese Electronics. musicexpress.com lists them with ck: WARP035126 ELECKTROIDS ELEKTRO WORLD $23.68 WARP 7/95 DISCO/DANCE WARP065024 ELECKTROIDS KILOHERTZ $9.88 WARP 6/95 CD SINGLE SINGLE CD DISCO/DANCE Henning P.S. Sorry about the personal reply to the list a few days ago. I neglected to check the To: line. My mistake. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #531 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #532 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 18 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 532 Re: NEW INTERVIEW announcement ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 08:27:53 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: NEW INTERVIEW announcement Really-From: Kevin Busby bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze):- > > For those of you wondering where part 2 of the interview which appeared in > 'Musik - Electronik it is', I have decided to mail it only to those who > request it. Mail me directly if you want Part 2. I thought part 1 of the "interview" attributed to "R. Sole" was quite clever - - but a joke's a joke, no...? Kevin ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #532 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #533 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 19 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 533 Re: NEW INTERVIEW announcement EMI Online Nefkom 3 Kraftwerk rumors Re: EMI Online 3 Kraftwerk rumors Vor Dem Blauen Bock Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors Re: NEW INTERVIEW announcement Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors Re: NEW INTERVIEW announcement RE: NEW INTERVIEW announcement Radio 1 KW interview. Re: NEW INTERVIEW announcement ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 21:52:02 +0930 Subject: Re: NEW INTERVIEW announcement Really-From: ralphg@dove.mtx.net.au (Ralf Grasso) > >For those of you wondering where part 2 of the interview which appeared in >'Musik - Electronik it is', I have decided to mail it only to those who >request it. Mail me directly if you want Part 2. > >Brian > Hi, Brian, can I please have part 2 of the above interview. Thanks. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 15:31:58 +0000 Subject: EMI Online Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" Kraftwerk's record company EMI Electrola is now present in the WWW. URL: http://www.netville.de/emi Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 15:32:34 +0000 Subject: Nefkom Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" I found the following note on a web page somewhere: Bei Nefkom handelt es sich um das gemeinsame voll-elektronische Projekt von Wolfsheim-Keyboarder Markus Reinhardt und Girls Under Glass-Gitarrist Axel Ermes. [...] Der Nachfolger "Land Of Love" floppte allerdings wieder und die Band erkannte, daa sie sich auf ihre eigentlichen Staerken, naemlich das Experimentieren mit Klaengen und Sprache, konzentrieren sollte. Der Ausflug in den Dancefloor wurde rasch beendet und ein neues Demo erstellt, mit dem das Projekt nun auf der Suche nach einem geeigneten Produzenten ist. Wunschkandidat war der Ex-Kraftwerk Musiker Karl Bartos, der sich jedoch nicht dazu entschliessen konnte, da ihm die neuen Songs "zu nah an Kraftwerk" angesiedelt waren. Die Suche geht also weiter, und wir werden sehen was passiert. Abstract: The band "Nefkom" asked Karl Bartos to produce their new songs. He turned the offer down because the songs were "too close to Kraftwerk". Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 3 Kraftwerk rumors Really-From: Mike Brown Rumor #1: A very trustworthy music journalist tells me she spotted an untitled Kraftwerk album due for summer release listed on a recent Elektra upcoming release sheet. Could be a reissue, but my fingers are crossed. Rumor #2: A pretty trustworthy insider tells me there is a *slim* chance of Kraftwerk performing at a 3-day event in Ottawa, August 16-18. Rumor #3: A less-than-trustworthy dj tells me Kraftwerk may be performing at the Tribal Gathering in Yorkshire, England, in early May. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: EMI Online Really-From: Mike Brown > Kraftwerk's record company EMI Electrola is now present in the WWW. > URL: http://www.netville.de/emi > Klaus Zaepke Kraftwerk is not listed at http://www.netville.de/music/bands/dex/k/k.html and a search using that site's search engine returns only comparisons to Kraftwerk and, apparently, a club called Kraftwerk at which some other band will be playing on May 11. *sigh* Mike ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:37:09 -0600 (MDT) Subject: 3 Kraftwerk rumors Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" > A very trustworthy music journalist tells me she spotted an untitled > Kraftwerk album due for summer release listed on a recent Elektra upcoming > release sheet. Could be a reissue, but my fingers are crossed. My bet: a reissue of Autobahn. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Selling Fax/techno/synthpop CDs - email with subject GET AUCTION for list ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:56:15 -0300 Subject: Vor Dem Blauen Bock Really-From: Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) Dear friends; Someone can give me any information about "Vor Dem Blauen Bock", bonus track of the CD bootleg version of Organisation's "Tone Float"? The back cover describes the track as "Beat Club TV-theme Mai 1971", but I searched in the Bussy's book and don't found any reference to that song, neither in the Infobahr. Other question : what's the track list of the bootleg "Live in Cologne"? I have three tracks of that CD as bonus tracks of K1, K2 and R&F, and wants to know if there's other tracks in the original CD. =8-) Carlos Jose Quinteiro (-8= carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br EAESP/FGV Brasil ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:20:35 -0400 Subject: Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors Really-From: prabhu@cs.umass.edu (Rajesh Prabhu) Mike Brown wrote: Rumor #1: A very trustworthy music journalist tells me she spotted an untitled Kraftwerk album due for summer release listed on a recent Elektra upcoming release sheet. Could be a reissue, but my fingers are crossed. Hmm, this is probably "Autobahn", given that it's been out-of-print here in the US for a while now .... - - Rajesh ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:10:22 -0300 Subject: Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors Really-From: Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) > A very trustworthy music journalist tells me she spotted an untitled > Kraftwerk album due for summer release listed on a recent Elektra upcoming > release sheet. Could be a reissue, but my fingers are crossed. Kraftwerk 1 and 2 are untitleds...but isn't of the Elektra catalogue. Neither Autobahn. Then, we can be optimists (as always!). =8-) Carlos Jose Quinteiro (-8= carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br EAESP/FGV Brasil ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 15:33:38 -0400 Subject: Re: NEW INTERVIEW announcement Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I'd like it too. spotnik@aol.com --thanks ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors Really-From: Mike Brown > > A very trustworthy music journalist tells me she spotted an untitled > > Kraftwerk album due for summer release listed on a recent Elektra upcoming > > release sheet. Could be a reissue, but my fingers are crossed. > > My bet: a reissue of Autobahn. Oh, I forgot to mention, Trans Europe Express (the album) has been reissued on vinyl in the US on Capitol. Mike ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 22:23:33 +0000 Subject: Re: NEW INTERVIEW announcement Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > >For those of you wondering where part 2 of the interview which appeared in > >'Musik - Electronik it is', I have decided to mail it only to those who > >request it. Mail me directly if you want Part 2. > > Hi, Brian, can I please have part 2 of the above interview. Thanks. > I'd like it too. spotnik@aol.com --thanks Well, it seems as if there are some people on the list who believe that this so-called "interview" is authentic. I think that you're good advised not to believe everything that is posted to this list, especially not when the sender is Brian Gaze. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 17:04:35 -0400 Subject: RE: NEW INTERVIEW announcement Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >> >For those of you wondering where part 2 of the interview which appeared in >> >'Musik - Electronik it is', I have decided to mail it only to those who >> >request it. Mail me directly if you want Part 2. >> >> Hi, Brian, can I please have part 2 of the above interview. Thanks. >> I'd like it too. spotnik@aol.com --thanks >Well, it seems as if there are some people on the list who believe >that this so-called "interview" is authentic. >I think that you're good advised not to believe everything that is >posted to this list, especially not when the sender is Brian Gaze. > Klaus Zaepke Klaus, I would guess that most of us on the list don't have the time to aquaint ourselves with the majority of the members of the list and find out which ones are the troublemakers. We cannot be faulted for believing what seemed like a sincere offer to post an interview. There have been a lot of good and helpful postings by many members so far. It's just a shame and a waste of time when these false postings happen from time to time. Lon ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:20:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Radio 1 KW interview. Really-From: Brendan Heading Listen, folks : I've been posting the Radio 1 kraftwerk documentary on the list, but I don't think I have enough time these days to keep the updates regular. What I propose therefore, is that you guys mail me if you want an audio copy, which I can arrange more easily. I should say that I do not intend to pay any postage costs. I don't mind running off a few copies for those that want it. For the uninitiated, this is a recording of an interview broadcast on BBC Radio 1, sometime in late 1995. It features a lot of speech from all the members of the band about how KW was formed, why they wrote and what influenced each of their albums, and why the band split up and a lot of other very interesting points. It is actually KW members speaking; no fakes etc. It's got a clip from Tour De France on it too. As I've been saying, it shows how humane and nice the band members are; ie. not robotic, emotionless b'stards. So mail me directum and we'll work out postage costs and all the rest through private mail. |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 21:42:56 -0400 Subject: Re: NEW INTERVIEW announcement Really-From: prabhu@cs.umass.edu (Rajesh Prabhu) Klaus Zaepke wrote: (about Brian Gaze's "interview" post) >>> Well, it seems as if there are some people on the list who believe that this so-called "interview" is authentic. I think that you're good advised not to believe everything that is posted to this list, especially not when the sender is Brian Gaze. <<< Well, he did post it on April 1st ... - -- Rajesh ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #533 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #534 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 20 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 534 Re: Re: NEW INTERVIEW announcement RE: NEW INTERVIEW announcement Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors KW CD's & album flats for trade kw u.s. represses Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors Re: EMI Online Re: EMI Online EC The Mix ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:11:49 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Re: NEW INTERVIEW announcement Really-From: dcakl006@nlmodnet1.mod.nl.mod.nl (ir D. Barth) > > For those of you wondering where part 2 of the interview which appeared in > > 'Musik - Electronik it is', I have decided to mail it only to those who > > request it. Mail me directly if you want Part 2. > > I thought part 1 of the "interview" attributed to "R. Sole" was quite clever > - - but a joke's a joke, no...? > > Kevin It was almost as funny as last years april 1 joke. Erik Barth ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:52:29 +0000 Subject: RE: NEW INTERVIEW announcement Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > I would guess that most of us on the list don't have the time to aquaint > ourselves with the majority of the members of the list and find out which ones > are the troublemakers. We cannot be faulted for believing what seemed like a > sincere offer to post an interview. Of course I don't blame anyone for believing this. I just thought that a warning could be in order, since I've got the impression that not everyone has noticed that this was a hoax. I'm sorry if my wording gave a different impression. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:53:18 +0200 Subject: Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors Really-From: marcus@canit.se (Marcus Ohlstrom) >Rumor #3: >A less-than-trustworthy dj tells me Kraftwerk may be performing at the >Tribal Gathering in Yorkshire, England, in early May. This was canceled a few weeks or even months ago :( - -- Marcus Ohlstrom (marcus@canit.se) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:31:58 -0500 Subject: KW CD's & album flats for trade Really-From: mach25@indy.net (Fred Becker) I have the following Kraftwerk US-released CD's for trade. The Man Machine, Capitol CDP 745039 2 (booklet top is bent) Computer World, Warner Brothers 3549-2 Electric Cafe, Warner Brothers 9 25525-2 The Mix, Elektra 9 60869-2 I also have some album flats for The Mix to trade. I am looking for the German language CD releases of all their albums, except Radioaktivitaat, which I have. I'd be interested in other things too. Fred Becker mach25@indy.net Endlos s s s Endlos s s s Endlos s s s Endlosssss ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:40:59 -0700 Subject: kw u.s. represses Really-From: Eric Hill > >Oh, I forgot to mention, Trans Europe Express (the album) has been >reissued on vinyl in the US on Capitol. In addition, the record store near me has Man Machine, Radioactivity and Computer World as shrinkwrapped Capitol vinyl. I imagine Electric Cafe is available but I haven't seen it. eric ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:04:48 +0100 Subject: Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >Rumor #3: >A less-than-trustworthy dj tells me Kraftwerk may be performing at the >Tribal Gathering in Yorkshire, England, in early May. As the Yorkshire tribe leader I'm trying my best to make this come true! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:51:21 +0100 Subject: Re: EMI Online Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >Kraftwerk's record company EMI Electrola is now present in the WWW. >URL: http://www.netville.de/emi I thought EMI had droppped them after the Mix debacle! Can anyone confirm this or prove that its wrong. I've never heard an official announcement. If this is the case presumably EMI have the right to thier back catalogue. Brian PS: Can anyone tell me why Electric Cafe is so expensive in the UK. It's selling for 14.99 UK pounds in London. Has anyone seen it cheaper in the UK? Man Machine, Trans Europe Express and Computer World (which are all far better albums) are in the bargain bin locally selling for 8.99 max. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 18:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: EMI Online Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu At 09:51 PM 4/19/96 +0100, bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) wrote: >PS: Can anyone tell me why Electric Cafe is so expensive in the UK. It's >selling for 14.99 UK pounds in London. Has anyone seen it cheaper in the UK? >Man Machine, Trans Europe Express and Computer World (which are all far >better albums) are in the bargain bin locally selling for 8.99 max. Well, we've heard this one too many times in the past, but here we go again once more for the long haul - IMHO, I find 'Electric Cafe' to be an outstanding piece of recorded music, and an accomplishment to be noted both for Kraftwerk and for electronic music alike. The album spawned 2 of my favorite KW singles, "The Telephone Call" and "Music Non-Stop", and it contains other great music as well. In stating that other KW albums are "all far better" than 'Electric Cafe', can't you please make a note that it's just one man's opinion rather than making it appear as though the entire listening audience at large has granted this consensus? We don't all agree with the sentiment, and I for one happen to LOVE 'Electric Cafe' and 'The Mix' with a passion, despite the plentiful amounts of bashing they both received here on this list in the past. Perhaps I am alone in this, but even one person makes a difference. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "From station to station..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:19:20 -0400 Subject: EC Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com Hey Brian, You don't even like Electric Cafe. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:21:35 -0400 Subject: The Mix Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com I actually quite like the Mix so I can find out what Kraftwerk's music sounds like live - today - in the 90's. I live in USA and ya know, I just don't hear of too many Kraftwerk gigs coming to town. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #534 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #535 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 21 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 535 Electric Cafe Aktivitaet 3 - 'Collectors Corner - Germany' Electric Cafe Re: re; Krafwerk on TOTP Re: re; 'Vor Dem Blauen Bock' Re: Electric Cafe Re: Electric Cafe Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 03:00:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Electric Cafe Really-From: Jason Musser To whoever recently defended 'Electric Cafe' by saying that it's remarkable for it's use of reverb--thanks! That encouraged me to dig it out and listen to it again for the first time in a few years. Since last time, I've got into MIDI, so now I can actually appreciate their use of reverb more. I especially find the tunnel reverb solo in 'Musique Non Stop' entertaining. Here's my pertinent observation about my own reaction to 'Electric Cafe': I really like all the earlier albums, even if I'm not listening to them on the greatest stereo. But to enjoy 'Electric Cafe' as much, I have to be listening to it with headphones. - -Jason ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 20 Apr 96 06:02:29 EDT Subject: Aktivitaet 3 - 'Collectors Corner - Germany' Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> 'Collectors Corner - Germany' by IAC Aktivitaet 3 - January 1993 - Updated April 1996 Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This 'Collectors Corner' feature looks at some of the odd/elusive/interesting items from Kraftwerk's homeland, Germany. It is not meant as any kind of definitive discography by any means, just a short guide to some of the more interesting releases. For this issue we look at some of Kraftwerk's releases from their homeland... Unsurprisingly, Germany has produced some of the rarest Kraftwerk items, some of which are valued in the L100+ region. The rarest? Probably the red vinyl pressing of the LP 'Die Mensch Maschine' (EMI-Electrola / Kling Klang 1C 058-32843) followed by the 'Club Selection' EP (7" - Philips 6853 001). The red vinyl LP was a very limited edition, dating from 1978 and now sells for funny money prices and is much rarer than the French equivalent. The 'Club Selektion' EP is a very rare item, covered in detail in issue no. 5 of Aktivitaet fanzine. The picture sleeve features an excerpt from the front of the German LP sleeve for 'Autobahn' (i.e. the 'motorway scene'). The songs featured on side one are 'Mitternacht' and 'Morgenspaziergang' while side two features 'Kometenmelodie 1'. Now, even the most ardent fan of these three songs would have to concede that this makes for a pretty odd choice of single! As well as being released on 7", it has also been said that there is a cassette single version to be found (Philips 7461 001). I cannot give a reasurance on this as the source for this information has been responsible for some inaccuracies in a past issue of Aktivitaet (such as the Red Lipstique single) and such a release would certainly be a good seven years before cassette singles appeared as a recognised format. 'Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie' (Philips 6003 356) was Kraftwerk's first single release, only issued in West Germany I believe. It is actually an early draft for 'Kometenmelodie' (as I'm sure you will have guessed from the title!) In contrast to the later LP versions, part one features the 'fast' version with part two being the more sedate version; though not as solemn as the later part one! Both versions are noticeably different to the more polished LP versions which is what makes this release so unique. The single comes with a picture sleeve that features a blue/white photo of a comet along with a small pic. of Ralf and Florian (from the front of the West German sleeve for that LP) with bold yellow lettering displaying the titles. Unfortunately, the early Kraftwerk single releases from this country come with rather flimsy paper picture sleeves which make them more susceptible to wear and tear and so makes finding mint condition copies even more difficult than normal. Other interesting 7" releases include the original releases for 'Autobahn' (Philips 6003 438) and 'Kometenmelodie 2' (Philips 6003 466). Both come with excellent picture covers which makes their value soar, possibly because the more common UK and USA singles do not have picture covers. Also worth pointing out is that the actual edits of both of these songs are different from the UK 7" edits, most notably 'Autobahn' which is very different. Another aspect of their appeal is that the choice of 'B' side is also at odds with the UK issues; the flip side of the 'Autobahn' single features 'Morgenspaziergang' while the flip of the 'Kometenmelodie 2' single is home to 'Mitternacht'. The picture sleeve for the Autobahn' single uses the same 'motorway scene' design as the WG sleeve of the LP though it has much larger graphics over it. The sleeve for the 'Kometenmelodie 2' single is quite unique and is red/white/grey and black coloured and features a star shaped comet illustration on the front while the rear features the covers of the four Kraftwerk LPs released in Germany up to that point in time. One of the less well known 7" releases from this country dates from 1976 and couples both 'Autobahn' and 'Kometenmelodie 2' together (Vertigo 6147 012). It would appear to be part of a 'Classic Oldies' series, probably aimed at juke-box owners judging by the cut-out juke-box title card on the rear sleeve. The front of the sleeve is a very colourful, though very naff, 'Classic Oldies' design. The edits of both songs are the same as used on the earlier issues; i.e. different from the UK. As well as the 'Die Mensch Maschine' LP, two other red vinyl records appeared in 1978 in West Germany. The first was a 7" of 'Die Roboter' a popular item with collectors. The second, was the 12" for 'Das Model' which seems to be a little easier to find than the 7" of 'Die Roboter', though still very rare. On the LP front, 'Kraftwerk' (Philips 6305 058) and 'Kraftwerk 2' (Philips 6305 117) were the first two releases by Kraftwerk. (In the UK both of these LPs were issued as a double album called 'Kraftwerk' in a totally different sleeve.) 'Kraftwerk' comes with the orange coloured traffic cone on both front and back along with a large black and white pic. of a electricity generator in the middle while 'Kraftwerk 2' has the green coloured traffic cone both front and back while the middle features lots of pictures of Ralf, Florian and their instruments of the time. (This centre spread was the only similarity with the UK double LP.) The 1975 re-issues of the bands first two LPs, retaining the same catalogue numbers, gain interest from collectors due to the fact that they come in 'single' sleeves as opposed to the 'gatefold' originals, which along with their scarcity is the reason that very high prices are asked for them. Amongst the other collectable West German LPs are the three compilations of early material; 'Doppelalbum' (Philips 6623 057), 'Pop Lions-Autobahn' (Fontana 6443 348) and 'High Rail' (Fontana 9294 124). These three albums are covered in detail in the 'Compilation and On....' article. Most of Kraftwerk's West German LP releases are very different to the UK issues due to the fact that they are of course sung in the German language. The first LP that differed in this way was 'Trans-Europe Express' as the previous LPs with vocals ('Autobahn' and 'Radioactivity') were the same in both the UK and WG. With 'Trans-Europe Express' however, all the songs were sung in German and the sleeve design was also different from the UK. All of Kraftwerk's subsequent LPs have been issued in both German and English; 'Die Mensch Maschine', 'Computer Welt', 'Electric Cafe' and 'The Mix'. For 'Electric Cafe', both the 'Deutsche Version' and English language editions were released in West Germany, with different catalogue numbers of course. The 'Die Mensch Maschine' LP has also been re-issued as part of the 'Fame' budget price series. It has to be said that the West German versions of the LPs have benefited in the area of limited edition freebies; 'Ralf und Florian' came complete with a Kraftwerk 'musicomix' comic/poster insert initially; 'Radioaktivitaet' came with a free sheet of stickers while 'Trans-Europa Express' featured a large full colour poster of the band, perhaps as some kind of compensation for the black and white sleeve. The 'Ralf und Florian' LP has a very different sleeve design from the UK issue, the front anyway. There have been CD releases of the following LPs and they tend to be well stocked by the large record chains though at a horrendous cost in the UK at any rate; 'Autobahn', 'Radioaktivitaet', 'Trans-Europe Express', 'Die Mensch Maschine', 'Computer Welt', 'Electric Cafe' and 'The Mix'. In fact it was actually a lot easier to get hold of the German releases of some of these titles as opposed to the original UK CD issues until EMI United Kingdom's re-issues in 1995! The bands earlier albums have also appeared on CD format on the Germanofon label, though the legality and country of origin of these releases are equally dubious. and you should be aware that they are mastered from vinyl copies of the records. On the 12" single front, there are some interesting items. The red vinyl 12" of 'Das Model', a very popular collectable, was detailed earlier. Particularly of interest is the 1981 release of 'Computer Welt' (Part One) (EMI-Electrola / Kling Klang 1C K062-46379 Z and a later re-issue 1C K062-46379 6) as a 12" single as it was a remixed version of the song, not released elsewhere. On the 'B' side there is 'Nummern' and 'Computer Welt' (Part Two). The picture sleeve is quite minimalistic, featuring a much simplified computerised version of the 'four heads' from the LP sleeve in black on a lurid green background. Both glossy and matt finish sleeves are available. There is some confusion with the German 12" releases of 'Tour De France' however, which is worth clarifying here. The original German 12" single of 'Tour De France' featured a German language version on side one and the more familiar French langauge version on side two, both of these are the Long Versions (6' 30"). The catalogue number for this 12" is 1C K052-1652046. The picture sleeve is very similar to most other countries releases while the record label is easily recognised as it has a grey and black 'cogwheel' design motif. Confusion sets in with the 1984 remix ; there appear to be TWO different 12" releases available. The first is the most confusing; it comes with the same picture sleeve, label design and catalogue number as per the 1983 release. However, it features the remixed 'Version' (at 6' 44") on both sides, German language on side one, French language on side two. For some reason, the Francois Kevorkian Remix is not on this single. As the record has exactly the same catalogue number, it is very difficult to determine whether the copy features the 1983 or 1984 mixes, unless you either play it first or look at the records matrix number on the vinyl. The more common 1984 release is much easier to spot; it is a three track 12" single, very similar to the UK one in that respect. It has a different catalogue number (1C K062-2003776) and the label design is black with white text. The sleeve features the ammended track details on the rear and has 'REMIX' either printed or as a sticker on the front cover. Sadly, there is still a flaw; the record's tracks are identical to the UK issue; therefore, the 6' 47" Francois Kevorkian Remix is on side one, with the 6' 44" 'Version' and original 7" edit (3' 05") on side two. However, the 'Version' at 6' 44" is the French language one - it should actually be the German language 'Version Allemande' instead, this is what is printed on the sleeve and label. Whether all copies feature this mispress or not I do not know. Promo copies exist for most releases, often with a press release sheet accompanying the record. Hopefully these will be documented in detail at a later date. To round up, I would say that many of the West German releases are essential purchases if you are into collecting Kraftwerk produkt and maybe even if you are not interested in the collecting scene. - - END -- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 96 11:29:31 BST Subject: Electric Cafe Really-From: "J.A.Dearnley1" I too will defend Electric Cafe - it is my favourite album from K by a whisker from Computerworld - why? We bought a copy in Nice on a long drive down to the south of France, and the strains of 'Telephone Call', 'Sex Object' and 'Electric cafe' will always be associated with driving round a boiling hot Provence with the window open ... those were the days! I must admit that the exclusion of Tour de France and Computerworld from 'The Mix' has always put me off listening to it that much - I can't understand why they did a remix of 'Boing Boom Tschak' (sp?) and ' Pocket Calculator' without doing the first two. Ho hum ... James - -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + James Dearnley. DILS. Loughborough University. LE11 3TU.+ + Tel. 01509 223079. Fax. 01509 223053 + + ** OXFORD UNITED FC *** + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 20 Apr 96 08:42:21 EDT Subject: Re: re; Krafwerk on TOTP Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> > Really-From: Simon Godfrey > > TOTP2 (BBC2) - series finished last weekend, probably a new one soon? - > shows repeats from the previous week's Top of the Pops and 5 or so archive > TOTP appearences, usually from a particular year - Have Kraftwerk ever > performed on Top of the Pops? I'm sure they must have around 1980/81? If so, > this is probably your best bet. As far as I know, Kraftwerk have never appeared 'in the studio' on TOTP; when 'The Model' was at no.1 in 1982 they showed the video for it. Of the recent repeats on the UK Gold TV channel there was the bizarre sight of the then current dance-troupe ('Zoo', was it?) on stationary bikes pedalling away etc. while 'Tour De France' played over the the closing credits! I've no idea what was the case in 1975 with 'Autobahn', maybe if it *was* actually played it might have been either the dance-troup doing their stuff! ('Pan's People' - blimey!) or just played over the closing credits. But, I've no idea whether it was played or not, to be honest. Other appearances will have been just the promo video's (eg 1991 'The Robots'.) as Kraftwerk haven't really had enough success with their singles to warrant many appearances. Ian Calder ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 20 Apr 96 08:42:36 EDT Subject: Re: re; 'Vor Dem Blauen Bock' Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> > Really-From: Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) > > Dear friends; > Someone can give me any information about "Vor Dem Blauen Bock", > bonus track of the CD bootleg version of Organisation's "Tone Float"? > The back cover describes the track as "Beat Club TV-theme Mai 1971", > but I searched in the Bussy's book and don't found any reference to that > song, neither in the Infobahr. 'Vor dem Blauen Bock' is one and the same track as 'Rueckstoss Gondoliere', I don't know why the title was changed on the 'Tone Float' CD, it just adds to the confusion. > Other question : what's the track list of the > bootleg "Live in Cologne"? I have three tracks of that CD as bonus tracks > of K1, K2 and R&F, and wants to know if there's other tracks in the original > CD. There were only the three on the original CD ('Ruckzuck', Kometenmelodie 1&2' and 'Autobahn'), so you've got them all there already. Ian Calder ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 09:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Electric Cafe Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu At 11:29 AM 4/20/96 -0300, "J.A.Dearnley1" wrote: >I must admit that the exclusion of Tour de France and Computerworld from 'The >Mix' has always put me off listening to it that much - I can't understand why >they did a remix of 'Boing Boom Tschak' (sp?) and ' Pocket Calculator' without >doing the first two. I too had hoped to see re-workings of "Tour De France" and "The Telephone Call" on 'The Mix', but I think their absence always gave me the idea that KW would be back to release a 'Mix 2', an issue that's been discussed here on the list in some depth. If they ever did release the 'Mix 2', I always imagined its track listing would look something like this: 1. The Model 2. Tour De France 3. Showroom Dummies 4. Neon Lights 5. Numbers 6. Hall Of Mirrors 7. Computerworld 8. The Telephone Call 9. Antenna 10. Europe Endless Personally, I would be just as happy if a brand new KW album surfaced than a 'Mix 2', but I'll take whatever I can get! :) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 14:16:10 +0200 Subject: Re: Electric Cafe Really-From: Paulo Mouat > Here's my pertinent observation about my own reaction to 'Electric > Cafe': I really like all the earlier albums, even if I'm not > listening to them on the greatest stereo. But to enjoy 'Electric > Cafe' as much, I have to be listening to it with headphones. Although you should hear it/them on a good sound system (with the benefit of the good sound projection these albums have) with free space speakers, listen to 'Computerwelt' on headphones... The mixing is superb! And the sounds are much more subtle and soft than some of the samples of EC which are a bit aggressive. - -- ********************************* Paulo Mouat, mouat@telepac.pt ********************************* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 11:19:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors Really-From: Brendan Heading >Rumor #1: >A very trustworthy music journalist tells me she spotted an untitled >Kraftwerk album due for summer release listed on a recent Elektra upcoming >release sheet. Could be a reissue, but my fingers are crossed. If it's a reissue, then it's probably Autobahn - hope they remaster it, the current CD quality is a bit shoddy. Why don't you publish the damn article on here, then we can see for ourselves. >Rumor #2: >A pretty trustworthy insider tells me there is a *slim* chance of Kraftwerk >performing at a 3-day event in Ottawa, August 16-18. I think the chance is nonexistant. KW don't seem to like live performances (Sellafield is an exception) >Rumor #3: >A less-than-trustworthy dj tells me Kraftwerk may be performing at the >Tribal Gathering in Yorkshire, England, in early May. All DJ's suck. The Tribal Gathering sucks; it seems to be full of ravers and technoheads with no interest in proper music at all. A very trustworthy me thinks that you are part of a conspiracy to try and get us all up in arms with the rumours. Let's have a RUMOUR BAN; when the new album appears, it will appear. |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #535 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #536 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 22 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 536 Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors Radio 1 stuff Re: Imaginary 'The Mix 2' tracklist Aktivitaet 6 - '1994 Convention Review' Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors interview+rumours Definitive statements? Re: Definitive statements? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 06:46:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors Really-From: Brendan Heading >Rumor #1: >A very trustworthy music journalist tells me she spotted an untitled >Kraftwerk album due for summer release listed on a recent Elektra upcoming >release sheet. Could be a reissue, but my fingers are crossed. If it's a reissue, then it's probably Autobahn - hope they remaster it, the current CD quality is a bit shoddy. Why don't you publish the damn article on here, then we can see for ourselves. >Rumor #2: >A pretty trustworthy insider tells me there is a *slim* chance of Kraftwerk >performing at a 3-day event in Ottawa, August 16-18. I think the chance is nonexistant. KW don't seem to like live performances (Sellafield is an exception) >Rumor #3: >A less-than-trustworthy dj tells me Kraftwerk may be performing at the >Tribal Gathering in Yorkshire, England, in early May. All DJ's suck. The Tribal Gathering sucks; it seems to be full of ravers and technoheads with no interest in proper music at all. A very trustworthy me thinks that you are part of a conspiracy to try and get us all up in arms with the rumours. Let's have a RUMOUR BAN; when the new album appears, it will appear. |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 06:49:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Radio 1 stuff Really-From: Brendan Heading Could all those who asked me about recordings of the KW radio 1 documentary please re-email me again ? I apologise; my HD hiccuped and I lost several messages. If I have replied to your message (I still have some) then you do not need to write to me again. Sorry, guys. |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 21 Apr 96 08:25:24 EDT Subject: Re: Imaginary 'The Mix 2' tracklist Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> >Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu > > If they ever did release the 'Mix 2', I always > imagined its track listing would look something like this: > > 1. The Model > 2. Tour De France > 3. Showroom Dummies > 4. Neon Lights > 5. Numbers > 6. Hall Of Mirrors > 7. Computerworld > 8. The Telephone Call > 9. Antenna > 10. Europe Endless Also, 'The Man Machine' seems likely, since the band performed an updated version of this during their 1993 concerts. Ian Calder ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 21 Apr 96 08:25:46 EDT Subject: Aktivitaet 6 - '1994 Convention Review' Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> 'The 1994 Kraftwerk and Elektric Music Convention' 'A personal review of this years convention by B Cassidy' Aktivitaet 6 - August 1994 Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * After the apparent success of last years convention offering in Blackpool it seemed logical that it would become an annual event. Thus we have the 1994 convention. This year things were a little more organised with more being offered in the way of entertainment. I arrived at about 11.00am and was surprised to see that there were apparently fewer people present than last year. As the day progressed though more people did turn up though there still seemed to be fewer people present than the previous event. Entrance to the booked hotel disclosed more in the way of visuals. The picture display was particularly good, with colour and black and white images tracing Kraftwerk's musical history and also Elektric Music's. Great effort had been made in presenting these pictures and credit where credit is due to Ian and John. I for one hope that a book is produced in the future, perhaps put together through the Aktivitaet network, containing these images and more, in high quality colour and black and white. The second feature that caught my attention was the display of badges. This I must say didn't really impress as they were all very similar, some certainly didn't look official! This didn't stop some folk taking pictures of them though. Once everyone appeared to have arrived all were welcomed by our main host and organiser, Paul Wilkinson. After setting out the days timetable we were pretty much left to our own devices until the buffet was ready at midday. Before lunch though we were treated to a showing on a large projection screen of some recent videos and TV programmes concerning Kraftwerk and Elektric Music. Some of this was interesting, including the live 1993 footage, but some of it was plain boring and the sound quality was particularly bad. Us sat at the back could barely make out a word! Why the all-day video show wasn't shown on the big screen is a mystery to myself and some of the people I talked to. Most of the footage shown on the all-day video show was far superior to the big screen show, even if we had seen some of it before. It was interesting this year that there seemed to be far less people selling items. Surely the best places to sell Kraftwerk goods is at a Kraftwerk convention? Next, before lunch, we have the 'Sounds Like Kraftwerk' slot. This was a good idea as it gave the opportunity to hear some rare Kraftwerk tracks. Yet again though, scrutiny must be made. The stereo used to play the music was very small and what with people talking over the music, little could be heard. Perhaps next time a cassette deck connected to a decent amp would suffice. Also, it should have been on for longer. Half an hour was nowhere near enough time to do justice to all the various remixes, live versions etc. that most of the convention-goers will never have heard before. Once all had eaten it was time for what most probably saw as the highlight of the day, Elektro Kinetik. This band and their impressive setup have obviously spent a lot of time getting their Kraftwerk renditions right and it was particularly good to see that they varied the track listing from last years. Their decision to include previously non-live tracks such as 'Europe Endless' and 'Sex Object' was a positive one. Their video sync is also worthy of note, something I'm sure that must have taken some time to get right. After a relatively straightforward 'Ask The Panel' session and the raffle, the day came to a close. Despite all criticisms though, the day was enjoyable and gave Kraftwerk admirers the opportunity to chat and Paul must be given credit for having the initiative to put together the whole thing. Not an easy task I suspect. As each year progresses the convention does seem to become increasingly better and like most who I talked to on the day I hope that it can be maintained as a regular rendezvous. - - END -- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 21 Apr 96 11:54:54 EDT Subject: Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors Really-From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> >Let's have a RUMOUR BAN; when the new album appears, it will appear. Mmm...sorry Brendan, but I have to disagree. It seems to me that most KW fans get by on the slimmest of diets these days, and the odd rumour does at least spice things up a bit. It's fairly easy to spot a good rumour over a sheer wind-up, and when one day something DOES happen, I know I'd like to know about it sooner rather than later. You just have to sift through this stuff. On this summer release thing, I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that I believe it's the *most likely* rumour we've had for a while. Thinking wishfully for a moment, and somewhat at risk of everyone saying 'told you so' in a few weeks time, I offer the following points: 1. Back in Oct 95, a small news item appeared in the UK music magazine 'Q' recounting how KW "...have informed their record company, EMI, to prime their circuits for a new album sometime in 96". 2. majortom@muc.de's recent posting on the list, referring to how electronics/synth expert Dieter Doepfer often visits Kling Kling and has supposedly heard the new album, which will be released this summer. 3. If this Elektra item is a re-release, then why is it listed as being untitled and not as 'Autobahn' or whatever? Having seen record company release schedules myself (in the UK at least), NEW albums are often listed in this way, simply because further details are not yet forthcoming. For example, 'The Mix' was known about at least two months before it's title was revealed. 4. Then there's the fact that it is now no less than five years since any new Kling Klang Produkt has appeared, and since 'Computer World' there's been a five year gap between each album. Put it another way: if Kraftwerk DON'T release anything this year, it will be the longest gap *ever*. On the possibility of a live appearances in Ottawa...well, why not? There HAS been sporadic live activity fom KW in 92 and 93, and in April 94 they were definitely confirmed to appear at the 'Experience' festival at Lydd Airport, England, before the whole event was cancelled due to objections from the local council. So there's life in KW yet! - even if they do seem to prefer these one-off 'events' over full-blown tours. And I would have thought that if there WERE any plans for live performances, then the States/Canada must now be quite a priority. However, re 'Tribal Gathering' in Oxfordshire, England, during May. I can clear this up at least: the original news item in the 'NME' did indeed speculate that KW may appear. However, in another article a couple of weeks later when the event was officialy announced, it was revealed that "Kraftwerk were approached but turned the festival down". What's more, the festival itself is now under threat - in similar fashion to the 'Experience' episode - as it has not yet been granted a licence. STAGGMAN ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 21 Apr 96 15:14:31 EDT Subject: interview+rumours Really-From: Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@CompuServe.COM> Brian, Could you e-mail me the remainder of the interview. Cheers. Regards the myth that KW are going to play a festival called Tribal Gathering, near Oxford, England, I regret to inform everyone that this was a very slight possibility at one point and then it was revealed that KW would not be playing. Tom ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 21 Apr 96 17:31:21 EDT Subject: Definitive statements? Really-From: Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@CompuServe.COM> >All DJ's suck. The Tribal Gathering sucks; it seems to be full of >ravers and technoheads with no interest in proper music at all. Some statement!!! I dare you to define proper music. The argument holds about as much argument as some classical music buff saying pompously pop music isn't real music. Can you say you really know what 'all DJ's' play? Do you listen to every single release of electronic music? No, I don't think so. Such flippant remarks come from truly narrow minded people. I think Kraftwerk are truly excellent, but I also think there is more to life than just Kraftwerk, and I think there is music beyond Kraftwerk. Go on, define proper music... Tom ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 19:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Definitive statements? Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu At 05:31 PM 4/21/96 -0400, Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > Some statement!!! I dare you to define proper music. >The argument holds about as much argument as some classical music buff saying >pompously pop music isn't real music. Can you say you really know what 'all >DJ's' play? Do you listen to every single release of electronic music? No, I >don't think so. I must agree with your sentiment. I myself was a DJ for a while that had my own show here on WBCR in Brooklyn, NY. It was called the 'Electro-Show', in which I made up my own format and playlist, and spun *lots* of Kraftwerk. In addition, thanks to some very enterprising DJ's like Grandmaster Flash back in the late '70s and early '80s, bands like Kraftwerk were given some help breaking into the U.S.danceclub scene and hitting the charts as well. >Go on, define proper music... As far as defining 'proper music' goes, I'll just say that the categorization of music into genres has always and will always continue to create rifts in musical tastes between the class divisions in society, but these rifts are wonderful. Genres add a spectacular dimension of variety to music, and they spawn a world of opinions and tastes which are all exclusive, while 'factually', there has never been and shall never be one true 'proper music'. What each individual deems as his/her own 'proper music', is so in its own special way. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "We're charging our battery..." ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #536 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #537 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 23 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 537 New material on infobahr. New material on infobahr. Mod files Re: Mod files ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:02:08 +0200 (MDT) Subject: New material on infobahr. Really-From: Anders Wilhelm Announcing Kraftwerk-Audio-The K-files: Computer Welt - "12 remix Die Mensch-Maschine - live 93 Mini Calculateur - "12 Music Non-Stop - MTV theme Sellafield 2 - MTV news Sexobject - Edicion Espanol Kohoutek - version 1 Kohoutek - version 2 All material in 44.1 kHz Mpeg-2. So tune in to http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm/kraftwerk I'm the antenna... /anders - -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* beam myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Ralf Hutter-1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:02:08 +0200 (MDT) Subject: New material on infobahr. Really-From: Anders Wilhelm Announcing Kraftwerk-Audio-The K-files: Computer Welt - "12 remix Die Mensch-Maschine - live 93 Mini Calculateur - "12 Music Non-Stop - MTV theme Sellafield 2 - MTV news Sexobject - Edicion Espanol Kohoutek - version 1 Kohoutek - version 2 All material in 44.1 kHz Mpeg-2. So tune in to http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm/kraftwerk I'm the antenna... /anders - -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* beam myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Ralf Hutter-1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 22 Apr 1996 18:47:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Mod files Really-From: COAF6024@bureau.ucc.ie Hi, This one's not a hoax - there are two kraftwerk modfiles at this URL if anyone is interested. http://143.239.1.134:80/Diploma/wims_s/music.html This is my first post top the list in almost 2 years, and it's great to see interest in Kraftwerk again. (Fake interviews not withstanding!) The mod files : one is a normal mod file. The other is a quite large (500K) PKZIPPED file in .S3M format. You can play it with Mod4Win or Screamtracker. It is the .S3M file mentioned here on the list a few years ago. (!!!) cheers Shane J ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:12:00 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Mod files Really-From: Iggy Drougge On 22 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > This one's not a hoax - > > there are two kraftwerk modfiles at this URL if anyone is interested. > > http://143.239.1.134:80/Diploma/wims_s/music.html > > This is my first post top the list in almost 2 years, and it's great to > see interest in Kraftwerk again. (Fake interviews not withstanding!) > > The mod files : one is a normal mod file. The other is a quite large (500K) > PKZIPPED file in .S3M format. You can play it with Mod4Win or Screamtracker. > It is the .S3M file mentioned here on the list a few years ago. (!!!) I have some KW MODs as well, but not with original sounds or anything. They are: The Model, Boing Boom Tschack/Music Non Stop, and Computer Love. I can put these up on the web of anyone wants them. PS: Of note, perhaps, The Model tune was also used for an old intro on the C64, and can be found as PlaySID music in the NemeSIDs collection on AmiNet (ftp.luth.se). =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #537 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #538 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 24 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 538 Re: Mod files Mod files: WHAT ARE THEY?? "Mix 2" rumour "Tour de France" mixes/releases Re: Mod files Re: Mod files: WHAT ARE THEY?? Re: Mod files: WHAT ARE THEY?? Re: Mod files Re: Mod files Re: Mod files Re: Mod files Re: Mod files Re: "Mix 2" rumour Aktivitaet 7 - 'Bits' (Part 2) SOUNDCARD SAMPLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:15:46 +0200 Subject: Re: Mod files Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) > > I have some KW MODs as well, but not with original sounds or anything. > They are: The Model, Boing Boom Tschack/Music Non Stop, and Computer > Love. I can put these up on the web of anyone wants them. > Yeah, go ahead! I'm always interested in the MODs, espessially in : The Model and Computer Love... TiM - -- __ Timour JGENTI _____________ INSTITUT FRANCAIS DU PETROLE / DIMA gr.Image __ timour.jgenti@ifp.fr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 06:44:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Mod files: WHAT ARE THEY?? Really-From: Phil Lefkowitz WHAT IS A MOD FILES??> > >> >> I have some KW MODs as well, but not with original sounds or anything. >> They are: The Model, Boing Boom Tschack/Music Non Stop, and Computer >> Love. I can put these up on the web of anyone wants them. >> > >Yeah, go ahead! > >I'm always interested in the MODs, espessially in : The Model and >Computer Love... > >TiM > > > >-- >__ Timour JGENTI _____________ INSTITUT FRANCAIS DU PETROLE / DIMA gr.Image __ > timour.jgenti@ifp.fr > > Phil Lefkowitz University of Chicago Graduate School of Business mplefkow@gsgpop.uchicago.edu "Create, don't vegitate" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:45:40 +0000 Subject: "Mix 2" rumour Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > If they ever did release the 'Mix 2', I always > imagined its track listing would look something like this: > [...] > 2. Tour De France [...] Someone who claims to have spoken to Ralf Huetter a while ago says that he was told that Kraftwerk are indeed working on a "Mix 2", which would probably be finished in 1997, but that this release would not include "Tour de France". Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:46:52 +0000 Subject: "Tour de France" mixes/releases Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > Confusion sets in with the 1984 remix [...] > The more common 1984 release is much easier to spot The remix is reviewed in Bravo 49/1983. This indicates that both the original version and the remix are from 1983. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:39:51 +0200 (MST) Subject: Re: Mod files Really-From: Thomas Weckert On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) > > > > > > I have some KW MODs as well, but not with original sounds or anything. > > They are: The Model, Boing Boom Tschack/Music Non Stop, and Computer > > Love. I can put these up on the web of anyone wants them. > > > > Yeah, go ahead! > > I'm always interested in the MODs, espessially in : The Model and > Computer Love... > > TiM > > > > -- > __ Timour JGENTI _____________ INSTITUT FRANCAIS DU PETROLE / DIMA gr.Image __ > timour.jgenti@ifp.fr > I did "The Robots" and "Numbers" some years ago, if anybody might be interested to hear them, he can have the tracks... Thomas Mathematische Institut der Universitaet zu Koeln Zentrum fuer paralleles Rechnen email: tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de Thomas.Weckert@dlr.de tweckert@dv.kp.dlr.de ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:40:54 +0200 Subject: Re: Mod files: WHAT ARE THEY?? Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) > Really-From: Phil Lefkowitz > > > WHAT IS A MOD FILES??> Well then, .mod is a music module file, originally used by Amiga / Atari, and now PC as well to produce a digital music using digital samples. This is made by sequencing notes along 4, 8 or more voices. notes change the pitch of its samples, there are also some effects to modify the sample. A mod file is situated between a whole digitalized song and a MIDI song. However midi presents a limitation depending on the hardware, and often produces really bad sound with cheap soundcards. A whole digitalized song takes too much memory/disk space to be really useful. So a mod file offers relatively good sound ( depending on the sample quality ) and doesn't take a lot of memory... I found that this method is most useful to create music with a computer using samples you want with any soundcard you want... There are several mod players/editors, such as: ScreamTracker (.S3M) FastTracker2 (.XM .MOD that I prefer) and lot of Share(Free)ware players. I believe I described this clearly, sorry for mistakes in english... TiM - -- __ Timour JGENTI _____________ INSTITUT FRANCAIS DU PETROLE / DIMA gr.Image __ timour.jgenti@ifp.fr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:03:48 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Mod files: WHAT ARE THEY?? Really-From: Iggy Drougge On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > WHAT IS A MOD FILES??> MOD - short for Module, a tune created in a Tracker program. Play with a tracker or MODplayer. =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:07:56 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Mod files Really-From: Iggy Drougge On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Thomas Weckert > > > > > On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) > > > > > > > > > > I have some KW MODs as well, but not with original sounds or anything. > > > They are: The Model, Boing Boom Tschack/Music Non Stop, and Computer > > > Love. I can put these up on the web of anyone wants them. > > > > > > > Yeah, go ahead! > > > > I'm always interested in the MODs, espessially in : The Model and > > Computer Love... > > > > TiM > > > > > > > > -- > > __ Timour JGENTI _____________ INSTITUT FRANCAIS DU PETROLE / DIMA gr.Image __ > > timour.jgenti@ifp.fr > > > > I did "The Robots" and "Numbers" some years ago, if anybody might be > interested to hear them, he can have the tracks... > > Thomas > > Mathematische Institut der Universitaet zu Koeln > Zentrum fuer paralleles Rechnen > email: > tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de > Thomas.Weckert@dlr.de > tweckert@dv.kp.dlr.de > =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:08:24 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Mod files Really-From: Iggy Drougge On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: Sorry about that > Really-From: Thomas Weckert > > > > > On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) > > > > > > > > > > I have some KW MODs as well, but not with original sounds or anything. > > > They are: The Model, Boing Boom Tschack/Music Non Stop, and Computer > > > Love. I can put these up on the web of anyone wants them. > > > > > > > Yeah, go ahead! > > > > I'm always interested in the MODs, espessially in : The Model and > > Computer Love... > > > > TiM > > > > > > > > -- > > __ Timour JGENTI _____________ INSTITUT FRANCAIS DU PETROLE / DIMA gr.Image __ > > timour.jgenti@ifp.fr > > > > I did "The Robots" and "Numbers" some years ago, if anybody might be > interested to hear them, he can have the tracks... > > Thomas > > Mathematische Institut der Universitaet zu Koeln > Zentrum fuer paralleles Rechnen > email: > tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de > Thomas.Weckert@dlr.de > tweckert@dv.kp.dlr.de > =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:26:05 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Mod files Really-From: Iggy Drougge > Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) > Yeah, go ahead! > > I'm always interested in the MODs, espessially in : The Model and > Computer Love... I managed to find the disk, but due to my brother's collection of virii, I could only upload Boing Boom Tschack and KW_Megamix, the others were sadly erronous. I'll see if I can salvage the other two. =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:26:41 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Mod files Really-From: Iggy Drougge Oops, I forgot to tekk where they were. The MODs are at http://www.canit.se/~optimus/kw/ =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:55:35 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Mod files Really-From: Iggy Drougge I managed to get Saddam off the disk, so I've uploaded The Model and Computer Love too to http://www.canit.se/~optimus/kw/ =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: "Mix 2" rumour Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu At 04:45 PM 4/23/96 +0000, "Klaus Zaepke" wrote: >Someone who claims to have spoken to Ralf Huetter a while ago says >that he was told that Kraftwerk are indeed working on a "Mix 2", >which would probably be finished in 1997, but that this release would >not include "Tour de France". > > Klaus Zaepke Do Ralf & Florian face some kind of personal dilemma when it comes to releasing "Tour De France" officially on CD or is this a cruel joke that they are playing on their fans and fans of TdF alike? Seriously though, with or without "Tour De France", I'd still be totally psyched about KW releasing a 'Mix 2' album in '97. :O) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "We're charging our battery..." - They should have used Duracell. (bad joke) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 23 Apr 96 18:38:18 EDT Subject: Aktivitaet 7 - 'Bits' (Part 2) Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> 'Bits' (Part 2) Aktivitaet 7 - September 1995 Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 'ALL IN A DAYS WERK' - B. Cassidy There seems to be a certain amount of confusion surrounding a 12" E.P. which was released in the U.K. called 'All In A Days Werk'. To put the record straight I can offer the following hard facts; firstly, the public release title of it is 'All In A Days Werk' and was released only on 12" vinyl in 1991**. It is an E.P. of tracks by various artists dedicated / influenced by Kraftwerk. It was released on the D.E.F. label in the U.K. (code: EEF 91) and contains five tracks which are: Side A: 1. Autobahn by Pro-Gress, 2. S.O.S. by Eskimos & Egypt, Side B: 1. Neon-Eon by Gobo-Loco, 2. TimeCode by Time-Code, 3. Back To Future by Westbam. The only Kraftwerk remix is the first track on side A which isn't too bad, all the other tracks simply contain Kraftwerk sounds /samples. It does not come in a picture sleeve as such but is housed in a green record company card cover with the company's logo on it. There is also a white label promo copy titled 'The Werks' (code: DEF 91) but contains exactly the same tracks as the public release. I only have the U.K. issues but it may have been released in other areas too, most probably Europe. ** The record was actually released in late 1990, not 91. - - END -- - - POSTSCRIPT -- Here is some further info on this release that has since been supplied by one of the fanzines regular readers and gives more info behind this release... This 12"-only EP was originally conceived as a method of showcasing artists represented by or otherwise involved with the management company D.E.F.(Deutsch-Englische-Freundschaft), paying tribute to Kraftwerk at the same time. Intial promo copies had a plain black sleeve and label with just the somewhat misleading 'The Werks' printed in white on the label. Normal copies were in a green DEF bag, with full credits on the label - even including a mini-discography on Kraftwerk ! Only one track is a direct cover of a Kraftwerk song and that is track one, 'AUTOBAHN' by Pro-Gress. Some details on the other tracks; 'STATE OF SURRENDER' by Eskimos & Egypt is an early version of the track later known just as 'S.O.S.' and released on One Little Indian records as a single, also on their 'Perfect Disease' album. 'NEON-EON' is actually by The Shamen, but credited under the name Gobo Loco. The track is an instumental mix of 'Oxygen Restriction' from their 'En-Tact' album, again on One Little Indian. 'TIME-CODE' by Time-Code. a German outfit related to Westbam 'BACK TO FUTURE' is by the German DJ Westbam himself. There was a seperate, later, release of thePro-Gress version of 'Autobahn' on its own, featuring two remixes of their version plus an edit of the version released on the 'All In A Days Werk' 12". 'AUTOBAHN' by PRO-GRESS (DEF Records, EEF 93) Housed in a metallic blue DEF bag. Released early 1991. Side A 1. DRIVE (Auf der Autobahn) 2. ABFAHRN'(Drive Me Wild) Side B 3. BEATRICE V2.1 4. AUTOBAHN (Original Version - edit) - - END -- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 00:27:54 -0400 Subject: SOUNDCARD SAMPLERS Really-From: SINBYTE@aol.com iS tHERE a wAY tO uSE a sOUNDCARD wITH sIMM'S sLOTS (wITH mEMORY iN tHEM oF cOURSE) aS a sAMPLER? iF sO hOW dO yOU tRIGGER iT vIA Midi???? aNY INFO wPOULD bE hELPFUL.... ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #538 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #539 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 25 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 539 Re: "Mix 2" rumour Re: "Mix 2" rumour Rights for "Tour de France" Re: Rights for "Tour de France" NEED INFORMATION Emil Schult exhibition Re: Rights for "Tour de France" Re: "Mix 2" rumour Re: "Mix 2" rumour Dusseldorf - Ecstacy radioshow?? Re: "Mix 2" rumour CD STORES IN NYC SELLING KW BOOTLEGS Re: CD STORES IN NYC SELLING KW BOOTLEGS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:38:23 +0200 (MST) Subject: Re: "Mix 2" rumour Really-From: Thomas Weckert On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu > > > At 04:45 PM 4/23/96 +0000, "Klaus Zaepke" wrote: > > >Someone who claims to have spoken to Ralf Huetter a while ago says > >that he was told that Kraftwerk are indeed working on a "Mix 2", > >which would probably be finished in 1997, but that this release would > >not include "Tour de France". > > > > Klaus Zaepke > > > Do Ralf & Florian face some kind of personal dilemma when it comes > to releasing "Tour De France" officially on CD or is this a cruel joke that > they are playing on their fans and fans of TdF alike? Seriously though, > with or without "Tour De France", I'd still be totally psyched about KW > releasing a 'Mix 2' album in '97. :O) > > Robotically Yours, > Scott M. Barnhill > mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu > "We're charging our battery..." - They should have used Duracell. (bad joke) > > Well, the original recordings of "Tour de France" are not owned by KlingKlang. There is no way to get them on a KW album... Thomas ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 96 10:55:25 EDT Subject: Re: "Mix 2" rumour Really-From: Nicholas Patrick Carlisle In 1991 'THE MIX' was released, presenting a portion of the back catalogue in a new way, presumably to bring the Kraftwerk sound up to date for the 90's. I remember thinking at the time that they had succeeded in this. But now it is rumoured that they are to release a MIX 2 in '97- six years after the 'first half' of this project. I would like to think that the Kraftwerk sound has moved on further in those years- and therefore that the next album will sound as radically different from the last as did, say, COMPUTERWELT compared to AUTOBAHN. But then if the 2 mix albums DO sound this different fom eachother Kraftwerk will have failed in the chance to *coherently* update their history- perhaps by 1998 they will notice that the first MIX material has, naturally enough, dated to some extent, and they will decide to rework the material AGAIN! This is why I think Ralph & Florian are wasting their time with this material- it would be better if they just got on with what they set out to do in the first place and excite us all by making an album of NEW music. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:41:35 +0000 Subject: Rights for "Tour de France" Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > Well, the original recordings of "Tour de France" are not owned by > KlingKlang. There is no way to get them on a KW album... There are at least four circumstances indicating that Kraftwerk do own the rights for "Tour de France": 1. The 7" and 12" releases from 1983/1984 are Kling-Klang releases. 2. The soundtrack for "Breakdance" doesn't include the original version of "Tour de France", allegedly because Kraftwerk have refused to give their permission. 3. They still perform this song live. 4. A "Formel 1" compilation CD credits Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider for their permission to let "Tour de France" appear on this compilation. How would this be possible if they don't hold the rights? And who claims that this would be the case? Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:23:10 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Rights for "Tour de France" Really-From: Iggy Drougge One f mmy local record stores, "Mellotronen", has (had) a selection of KW CDs, among them something from The Organisation, or Raplh & Florian, and an Autobahn CD, with Tour De France on, I think. The cover picture depicted the familiar Autobahn painting. They also had a "Live at Solna" double CD, with lots of goodies, depicting a gasoline lighter on the cover. Any info? =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:12:14 GMT Subject: NEED INFORMATION Really-From: "KANG K.F. B.ENG.ELECT." Apart from being a Kraftwerk fan, I also enjoy Tangerine Dream music: Where can I join the Tangerine Dream mailing list? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:13:38 +0000 Subject: Emil Schult exhibition Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de Emil Schult is currently showing his "Testbilder" exhibition at the VAP-Studios in Hamburg. The exhibition will be shown until the end of May. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 15:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Rights for "Tour de France" Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu At 06:23 PM 4/24/96 +0200, Iggy Drougge wrote: They also had a "Live at Solna" >double CD, with lots of goodies, depicting a gasoline lighter on the cover. >Any info? The double CD you are referring to is a double CD bootleg of Kraftwerk recorded live in Solna, Sweden from October 20, 1991. The bootleg is called "Non Stop" and its track listing is as follows: [Disc 1] 1:42 Intro 4:35 Numbers 4:43 Computer World 8:09 It's More Fun To Compute/Home Computer 6:40 Computer Love 11:40 The Model/Tour De France 11:35 Autobahn [Disc 2] 7:29 Radioactivity 3:20 Trans-Europe Express 2:16 Abzug 6:09 Metal On Metal 11:21 The Robots 11:20 Pocket Calculator 15:46 Music Non Stop Supposedly the sound quality on these discs, as is the case with many bootleg releases, is not so good. I've seen this bootleg here in New York City as well. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "By pressing down a special key..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 16:03:24 -0400 Subject: Re: "Mix 2" rumour Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Does this mean that an album of new material would be released in 1996, with "Mix 2" in 1997, or "Mix 2" in 1997 and the next album in...? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 16:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: "Mix 2" rumour Really-From: "Gerald E. Withers" > > Does this mean that an album of new material would be released in 1996, with > "Mix 2" in 1997, or "Mix 2" in 1997 and the next album in...? > You know.. reading this I realize that we Kraftwerk fans are a strange lot.. I mean we will hold out much longer than any other fans will. I am in the middle of a huge Kraftwerk awareness resurgent phase - listening everyday now, after having not listened for such a long time. I would love to here something new. What is the deal with these guys? If they are striving for the "perfect" sound, don't they realize that it is impossible to attain? I would rather have something less than perfect than wait forever for something perfect. The thought just hit me. In the mean time, I'll just keep spinning the old discs... Jerry Withers Only Amiga //// A2000/850HD 030/882/17Mb 50Mhz 401 Euclid Ave //// makes A2386 & VGA 150MB HD Syracuse N.Y. 13210 \\\\//// it A2230 GVP Spectrum 28/24 gewither@.mailbox.syr.edu \\\///possible! AmigaD0S 3.1 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:09:55 +0200 (MDT) Subject: Dusseldorf - Ecstacy radioshow?? Really-From: Anders Wilhelm Does anyone have any material from the radioshow Ecstasy? According to their webpage at http://sunserver1.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de/~hauptn/ecshis.html they seem to have had some really interesting interviews (like in Feb 94: "In einem Exklusivinterview kommen erstmals Emil Schult und Wolfgang Flür von Jamo (beide ehemals Kraftwerk) zu Worte." I'd appreciate some more info on this one... I do find the rumours about a Mix-2 album quite disturbing, as it would probably outrule the possibility of new material this year. I do hope that this is a only a rumour. /anders (Off to hear the new Behaviour album... They've done a brilliant cover of Tour de France - I'll ask them if it is ok to upload it to the infobahr...) - -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: "Mix 2" rumour Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu At 04:37 PM 4/24/96 -0400, "Gerald E. Withers" wrote: >love to here something new. What is the deal with these guys? If they are >striving for the "perfect" sound, don't they realize that it is >impossible to attain? I would rather have something less than perfect >than wait forever for something perfect. IMHO, Kraftwerk has achieved 'the perfect sound' on every album they have released thus far. Granted, the perfect sound changes from one album to the next, but I think this is part of its majesty and wonder. I'd love to see new KW material as much as anyone else out here, but I suppose I'm a bit more patient about it getting here since I am so in love with what they have already given us. I still listen to KW's albums each and every day, almost to the point of ritual, and I have not begun to tire of any of them yet. So, when the new material gets here, I'll be psyched as all hell, but until then, I bear in mind that KW has given us the perfect sound time and time again. I say, genius takes time to perfect, and KW are testament to this. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Even the greatest stars...release 3 albums in a 15 year period..." :o) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:25:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: CD STORES IN NYC SELLING KW BOOTLEGS Really-From: Phil Lefkowitz CAN ANYONE RECOMMEND CD STORES IN THE NYC METRO AREA THAT SELL KRAFTWERK BOOTLEG CDS? Phil Lefkowitz University of Chicago Graduate School of Business mplefkow@gsgpop.uchicago.edu "Create, don't vegitate" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:33:28 -0700 Subject: Re: CD STORES IN NYC SELLING KW BOOTLEGS Really-From: taoifei@ix.netcom.com (Frank J. Pfeiffer) You wrote: > - ------- majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that the available list. - ------- >Really-From: Phil Lefkowitz > > >CAN ANYONE RECOMMEND CD STORES IN THE NYC METRO AREA THAT SELL KRAFTWERK >BOOTLEG CDS? > >Phil Lefkowitz >University of Chicago >Graduate School of Business >mplefkow@gsgpop.uchicago.edu >"Create, don't vegitate" > > Try the stores off Bleeker St, in the Village. You can find anything there... ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #539 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #540 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 25 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 540 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:13:40 GMT Subject: I have the right to say Really-From: "KANG K.F. B.ENG.ELECT." Dear lads, You guys go on a stuff about Kraftwerk, but I think Tangerine Dream is by far the best synthesizer band. I used to like KW ( autobahn is the best one ) but it takes them ages to release an album. TD has got dozens of album released. Sorry lads, but Kraftwerk is crap, and only pratts listen to crappy music. So long, dude... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: I have the right to say Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu At 12:13 PM 4/25/96 +0000, KANG K.F. wrote: >Dear lads, > >You guys go on a stuff about Kraftwerk, but I think Tangerine Dream >is by far the best synthesizer band. I used to like KW ( autobahn is >the best one ) but it takes them ages to release an album. TD has got >dozens of album released. Sorry lads, but Kraftwerk is crap, and only >pratts listen to crappy music. So long, dude... Look here laddy, If you honestly feel that "Kraftwerk is crap", your best bet would be to get yourself the hell off this list. You are more than entitled to your opinions, however shoddy they might happen to be, and of course I realize that you are not even worth responding to. However, I'm feeling in particularly high spirits today, so I thought I'd take the time. If you don't like KW, it doesn't take too much common sense to know enough not to join a KW mailing list and post to it. Obviously this requires more common sense than you have. If the way you critique a band's quality is based on the number of albums they release, then you are indeed a "pratt" of a most unworthy breed. With that kind of logic I suppose you are also a huge Barry Manilow fan as well. Kraftwerk have already proven themselves to me as a unique and revolutionary force in the world of music and sound alike. What have you proven yourself to be? An arse. To my Kraftwerk bretheren on the list, disregard this poor sod's paltry attempt at stirring things up. "Stupidity is a fatal disease, but ignorance can be cured." - Scott M. Barnhill Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "He is a showroom *dummy*!" ;o) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:03:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: I have the right to [say] talk shit Really-From: David Davis > Dear lads, > > You guys go on a stuff about Kraftwerk, but I think Tangerine Dream > is by far the best synthesizer band. I used to like KW ( autobahn is > the best one ) but it takes them ages to release an album. TD has got > dozens of album released. Sorry lads, but Kraftwerk is crap, and only > pratts listen to crappy music. So long, dude... > well that guy was obviously just trying to wind us all up. But to answer his "point"... Edgar Frizzy (sic) and his croneys to me seem to have fallen into the opposite dilemma to Kraftwerk: highly prolific but of exceedingly low quality.I gave up listening to their new releases (of which there seem to be virtually one per WEEK these days!)years ago Increasingly the Tangs are putting out utter bland MOR/AOR muzak aural wallpaper, with dreadful bluesy guitar solos and appalling digital sounds. Albums such as PHAEDRA and RUBYCON are undoubtedly seminal classics of their type, but they were created 20 years ago by a different line up. Now only a very fat and sad Mr. Frizzy with his permanent bad hair days and has-been Dali anecdotes is still dribbling around under the Tangerine banner, producing a sorry shadow of his once majestic sound. Give it up , Eddie-baby! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:03:32 +0200 Subject: Re: I have the right to say Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) I think there's no comparison possible for Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream. Yes, TaDream uses synthesizers as well, but their music is completly different! I like both very much.... TiM - -- __ Timour JGENTI _____________ INSTITUT FRANCAIS DU PETROLE / DIMA gr.Image __ timour.jgenti@ifp.fr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:25:47 -0400 Subject: Re: I have the right to say Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com Exactly. Tangerine Dream put an album out just to put one out - but if you'll notice - they use the same boring three note sequences and cliche filter sweeps on EVERY SINGLE ALBUM. they were decent in the beginning, but in NO WAY comparable to Kraftwerk during ANY of Kraftwerks "eras." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:09:51 -0500 Subject: bootlegs and mixes Really-From: Jason Musser Phil, if you want to find bootlegs in the Chicago area, Vintage Vinyl in Evanston had KW 1 and 2 when I was last there a few weeks ago. Of course they were more expensive there than anywhere else I'd seen: $35 each. Regarding the Mix 2, I also would like them to just forget updating the old songs and move on to totally new material. They pretty much did them right the first time; I didn't get a real charge out of the updated versions. I realize that Ralf and Florian don't have as much interest in the music as in the sounds. Taken to the extreme, this would suggest that they simply keep re-recording the same album with different harware every couple of years, but even if these did sound different, how excited would we be about buying them? I mean, we'd do it--sure--but it wouldn't be very satisfying. Hell, if it's that much trouble for them to come up with new material to sequence and process and record, I'll write 'em some damn songs! Maybe they should just do "Kraftwerk Plays the Irving Berlin Songbook" or something. - -Jason ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:16:33 +0000 Subject: Re: Ecstacy radioshow Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > Does anyone have any material from the radioshow Ecstasy? According > to their webpage at http://sunserver1.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de/~hauptn/ecshis.html > they seem to have had some really interesting interviews (like in > Feb 94: "In einem Exklusivinterview kommen erstmals Emil Schult und > Wolfgang Fluer von Jamo (beide ehemals Kraftwerk) zu Worte." > > I'd appreciate some more info on this one... They have an e-mail address (hautpn@uni-duesseldorf.de), and they have obviously the technology to make soundfiles available on the Internet, so maybe it's worth asking them... BTW: They have also a Kraftwerk page: http://sunserver1.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de/~hauptn/kraft.html Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:14:52 +0000 Subject: Re: "Mix 2" rumour Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > I do find the rumours about a Mix-2 album quite disturbing, as it > would probably outrule the possibility of new material this year. Probably, but not necessarily. This person who claims to have spoken to Ralf Huetter says also that Kraftwerk would be working on two albums at the moment, a "Mix 2" and a new one... Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:18:20 +0000 Subject: "America strikes back" Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" In Sounds, 17.05.1980 a record was advertised as: "AMERICA STRIKES BACK" an apocalyptic album which is yours for just 30p. This album contains tracks which will not be available in any other form and is exclusive to readers of Sounds. This compilation album featured the following artists: Sammy Hagar, Riot, April Wine, Mink de Ville, Moon Martin, Prism, Kraftwerk, Motels, Teaze, Face Dancer, Red Rider. Does anyone know more details about this album, especially the title of the Kraftwerk track and whether it is true that this track was never released anywhere else? Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 18:56:42 GMT Subject: Re: to SCOTT have the right to say Really-From: "KANG K.F. B.ENG.ELECT." > From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) > To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:59:12 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: I have the right to say > Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu > > > At 12:13 PM 4/25/96 +0000, KANG K.F. wrote: > > >Dear lads, > > > >You guys go on a stuff about Kraftwerk, but I think Tangerine Dream > >is by far the best synthesizer band. I used to like KW ( autobahn is > >the best one ) but it takes them ages to release an album. TD has got > >dozens of album released. Sorry lads, but Kraftwerk is crap, and only > >pratts listen to crappy music. So long, dude... > > > Look here laddy, > > If you honestly feel that "Kraftwerk is crap", your best bet would > be to get yourself the hell off this list. You are more than entitled to > your opinions, however shoddy they might happen to be, and of course I > realize that you are not even worth responding to. However, I'm feeling in > particularly high spirits today, so I thought I'd take the time. If you > don't like KW, it doesn't take too much common sense to know enough not to > join a KW mailing list and post to it. Obviously this requires more common > sense than you have. If the way you critique a band's quality is based on > the number of albums they release, then you are indeed a "pratt" of a most > unworthy breed. With that kind of logic I suppose you are also a huge Barry > Manilow fan as well. Kraftwerk have already proven themselves to me as a > unique and revolutionary force in the world of music and sound alike. What > have you proven yourself to be? An arse. > To my Kraftwerk bretheren on the list, disregard this poor sod's > paltry attempt at stirring things up. > > "Stupidity is a fatal disease, but ignorance can be cured." - Scott M. Barnhill > > Robotically Yours, > Scott M. Barnhill > mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu > "He is a showroom *dummy*!" ;o) > > My dear Scottie or whatever geezer you are, The sun is setting here in Leicester, and I had some jacket potatoes for dinner yesterday. Yes , I'm more than entitled to my opinions. And I don't know who the hell you think you are to tell people to leave this ML. Let me recall you the beginning of the "welcome to Kraftwerk" e-mail. It is said that , I quote " it is a forum for discussions about Kraftwerk and other related German Electronic artists" end of quote. I did as exactly mentionned, I talk about KW and other related German Synth band. Obviously you didn't seem to understand that, and as a matter of fact you don't seem to feel in your high spirit today. In fact you are everyday in your low spirit but were afraid to to admit it. You just couldn't bear that someone has got a different point of view. Let me tell you just one more thing: you are the poor depressed loopy I was waiting for, since my goal was to stirr things up in the KW mailing list. People who were clever enough didn't even attempt to read my message, nor to reply, and I appreciate that, because that was what I was expecting. ( by the way Timour, if you read this, I told you that a pratt would bite the bate, you owe me two Tadream CD now ). By advising people not to answer was a good job to do, since noone would do it, except YOU the chosen one! So if you can't share opinions, which is what this ML is supposed to be, what can I tell you, get lobotomized, who knows maybe it'll cure you. I think it's time to get off your tree, it's running out of leaves. "You think you can walk on water, but remember, shit floats." K F.K "L'enfer c'est les autres" J.P Sartre. Stratosfearlly yours, KFK ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:21:50 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: I have the right to say Really-From: Iggy Drougge On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: "KANG K.F. B.ENG.ELECT." > > Dear lads, > > You guys go on a stuff about Kraftwerk, but I think Tangerine Dream > is by far the best synthesizer band. I used to like KW ( autobahn is > the best one ) but it takes them ages to release an album. TD has got > dozens of album released. Sorry lads, but Kraftwerk is crap, and only > pratts listen to crappy music. So long, dude... I am actually relieved ot to be cikunted into the same fan group as this guy. Why did he go to the trouble of subscribing to a list only to insult its users? =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:56:38 +0100 Subject: Re: Imaginary 'The Mix 2' tracklist Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >> If they ever did release the 'Mix 2', I always >> imagined its track listing would look something like this: >> >> 1. The Model >> 2. Tour De France >> 3. Showroom Dummies >> 4. Neon Lights >> 5. Numbers >> 6. Hall Of Mirrors >> 7. Computerworld >> 8. The Telephone Call >> 9. Antenna >> 10. Europe Endless > If the Mix 2 does appear I for one will not be buying it. If after 6 years all they can produce is another 40 minutes of remixed nonsense they aren't worth following. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:11:03 -0400 Subject: Re: I have the right to [say] talk shit Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Years ago I bought "Phaedra" based on hype, reviews etc. What a disappointment...couldn't even listen to it all the way through...as opposed to Kraftwerk, whose music seems to play continually through the jukebox of my mind! Especially when walking through the streets of Manhattan, for some reason.... As a musician myself, I certainly respect the rights of everyone to their musical opinions--lord knows some of the stuff I think is fantastic other people find to be utter crap--but to me, Tangerine Dream is not in the same league as Kraftwerk. Not even close. Then again, few musicians are.... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:14:15 -0400 Subject: Re: bootlegs and mixes Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Now there's a thread! Kraftwerk does the music of... Sly And the Family Stone Merle Haggard The Carpenters Joni Mitchell James Brown (can you imagine?!) Henry Mancini Lightnin' Hopkins The Allman Brothers etc ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:18:56 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: to SCOTT have the right to say Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" Dave Datta allows me admin priviledges so I can derail problems like the ones KFK is attempting to cause, so I have taken the liberty of removing him from the list. If you send messages to the list he won't see them, so please keep any further correspondence on this issue to private email. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:26:00 +0100 Subject: Re: "Mix 2" rumour Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >In 1991 'THE MIX' was released, presenting a portion of the back >catalogue in a new way, presumably to bring the Kraftwerk >sound up to date for the 90's. I remember thinking at the time that >they had succeeded in this. But now it is rumoured that they are to >release a MIX 2 in '97- six years after the 'first half' of this >project. I would like to think that the Kraftwerk sound has moved on >further in those years- and therefore that the next album will sound >as radically different from the last as did, say, COMPUTERWELT >compared to AUTOBAHN. But then if the 2 mix albums DO sound this >different fom eachother Kraftwerk will have failed in the chance to >*coherently* update their history- perhaps by 1998 they will notice >that the first MIX material has, naturally enough, dated to some >extent, and they will decide to rework the material AGAIN! This is >why I think Ralph & Florian are wasting their time with this >material- it would be better if they just got on with what they set >out to do in the first place and excite us all by making an album of >NEW music. > A Mix 2 album would be a farce and would disappoint me for one. The Mix was bad enough. Why do these guys think we are bothered about having their early material updated. It should be left as it is. I think talking about updating their sound is utter nonsense anyway. If they are so keen to present material which is sounds up to date they should release a new album. Brian ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:37:45 +0100 Subject: Re: "Mix 2" rumour Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >Probably, but not necessarily. This person who claims to have spoken >to Ralf Huetter says also that Kraftwerk would be working on two albums >at the moment, a "Mix 2" and a new one... This sound like he's taking you for a ride. To suggest they are working on one album is a very big if. To claim its 2 albums is complete b*******. Brian ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:43:17 +0100 Subject: Re: interview+rumours Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) Thankyou for your interest in the 'Musik - Electronik it is' interview. Here is the rest. RS: Which is your most influential album? RH: During the late 70's and early 80's we made albums which were improving all the time. KW set the pace for electronic music and still influences today. EC from the mid 80's used the evolving technology, but by this time others had also realised the potential of the technology. WE had been innovative again but lots of others were also making electronic music. RS: It is often said that music or anything which relies on technology dates the fastest. For example, a chess board may be from any era, whilst a 'Speak and Spell' machine is from the early 80's. Does your music suffer in this way? RH: Electronic music has been a voyage of discovery. Yes early electronic music was crude. Now we are at the point where electronic music can be indistinguishable from real instruments. We are at the point where we can do what we want. We have ideas about how to exploit this technology but it is bigger than us alone. We are handing a tool to future generations to do as they wish. Our new album will point the way. RS: So the new album will be a radical departure from your earlier groundbreaking work? RH: As I said the voyage is complete. Technology now lets any sound or texture that can be imagined to be created. Our imagination has not desserted us yet........we think. RS: Whats your view on the 'pop scene' today? RH: It gets better all the time. There never was a 'golden era'. Today diversity abounds. Technology exploited by producers can produce a heavy metal record or a techno record or even a classical piece. The golden era is only just beginning. By exploiting the technology along the way I think (hope.....RH laughs) we opened the gates. We have helped bring about the golden era. PS: Apologies for the delay and the typing errors. >Really-From: Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@CompuServe.COM> > > >Brian, > >Could you e-mail me the remainder of the interview. Cheers. >Regards the myth that KW are going to play a festival called Tribal Gathering, >near Oxford, England, I regret to inform everyone that this was a very slight >possibility at one point and then it was revealed that KW would not be playing. > >Tom > > ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #540 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #541 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 26 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 541 Re: Definitive statements? Re: to SCOTT have the right to say Re: interview+rumours Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors New sound speculation. Re: bootlegs and mixes Re: New sound speculation. RE: New sound speculation. Re: to SCOTT have the right to say Kraftwerk/Depeche Mode Mix Aktivitaet 7 - 'Kinetik' Re: New sound speculation. Re: New sound speculation. Re: New sound speculation. Re: New sound speculation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:50:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Definitive statements? Really-From: Brendan Heading >>All DJ's suck. The Tribal Gathering sucks; it seems to be full of >ravers >>and >technoheads with no interest in proper music at all. >The argument holds about as much argument as some classical music buff saying >pompously pop music isn't real music. Can you say you really know what 'all >DJ's' play? Do you listen to every single release of electronic music? No, I >don't think so. >Such flippant remarks come from truly narrow minded people. I think Kraftwerk >are truly excellent, but I also think there is more to life than just >Kraftwerk, and I think there is music beyond Kraftwerk. >Go on, define proper music... All the experiences that I have had of DJ's are those who basically appear to have no brain and very little sense of music. I should apologise for the above outburst, as far as I know, the Tribal gathering is a rave/dance organisation. I just happen to have no time for rave music, I feel that it has destroyed the music market by filtering into the charts as "dance". I listen to a very wide spectrum of electronic music, from Stockhausen to Kraftwerk, from Tangerine Dream to Jean Michel Jarre, and all of the great 80's pop bands. Every single one of those composes what I would call excellent music; however, the rave artists present at the tribal seem to compose a load of meaningless, random sounding tones driven solely by a sparse and extremely dominating beat. The remark is nothing to do with narrow mindedness. I hate to boast here, but I listen to stacks of different styles of music and rave/dance is the ONLY style that I fail to find interest/music in. OK then ? BTW KW rule. |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: to SCOTT have the right to say Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu At 06:56 PM 4/25/96 +0000, "KANG K.F. B.ENG.ELECT." wrote: >My dear Scottie or whatever geezer you are, An almost admirable attempt, but I'm non-flammable. :o) >The sun is setting here in Leicester, and I had some jacket potatoes >for dinner yesterday. I'm happy for you and your vegetables. >Yes , I'm more than entitled to my opinions. And I don't know who >the hell you think you are to tell people to leave this ML. Oh don't you? Take a look at my signature file at the end of any of my posts. I think you'll find all the info to be in order. >Let me recall you the beginning of the "welcome to Kraftwerk" e-mail. >It is said that , I quote " it is a forum for discussions about Kraftwerk and >other related German Electronic artists" end of quote. I did as >exactly mentionned, I talk about KW and other related German Synth >band. Obviously you didn't seem to understand that, and as a matter >of fact you don't seem to feel in your high spirit today. In fact you >are everyday in your low spirit but were afraid to to admit it. >You just couldn't bear that someone has got a different point of >view. Having a different point of view is just dandy, but you must be willing to discuss your differing viewpoint in a manner that is at the very least, civilized. I don't *think* that's too much to ask. You were crude and primitive in your initial post in the manner in which you regarded KW. If you do not enjoy the music of KW, a sensible idea would be to remove yourself from a KW discussion list, as I suggested. Then again, I see your point - why should I assume you are sensible? If the only way you can get your rocks off is by insulting or putting down the interest of an entire mailing list, perhaps a more suitable list for you would be alt.insecurities or alt.pent-up-aggression. >Let me tell you just one more thing: you are the poor depressed loopy I >was waiting for, since my goal was to stirr things up in the KW mailing list. I hate to throw a monkey-wrench into your already faulty works, but I will. You haven't stirred up much except what's hitting the fan. You see, announcing rumours of a new KW album will stir people up - ignorantly badmouthing their music will not. Many of us have been on this list long enough to recognize your brand of hogwash. Back to the ol' drawing board. >People who were clever enough didn't even attempt to read my message, >nor to reply, and I appreciate that, because that was what I was >expecting. ( by the way Timour, if you read this, I told you that a pratt would >bite >the bate, you owe me two Tadream CD now ). If you were expecting to receive no feedback from anyone, you should have contemplated not posting the message in the first place, as it would have produced more satisfying results to meet your expectations. All that you've done is make yourself look like a silly buffoon trying to play lame jokes. >By advising people not to answer was a good job to do, since noone >would do it, except YOU the chosen one! The chosen one? Gee, I'm honored. :o) >So if you can't share opinions, which is what this ML is supposed to >be, what can I tell you, get lobotomized, who knows maybe it'll cure >you. I think it's time to get off your tree, it's running out of >leaves. In closing, let me just say that the time is at hand for you to get yourself a new joke book for your material, seeing as how the one you're using is currently out of print. Secondly, I'd like to thank you for demonstrating your ignorance before the list as a whole, as it makes my job so much easier. Finally, I would advise you to address any further complaints you may have with me specifically to *me* rather than the list as a whole, for there is no need to take up everyone else's time and space with your nonsense. Back to KW!! Robotically & Non-Flammably, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Eins...Zwei...Drei...Vier..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:23:09 -0400 Subject: Re: interview+rumours Really-From: Curryous@aol.com If you could E-mail me the rest of the interview, too I would appreciate it. Thanks, Russ Curry ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:52:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: 3 Kraftwerk rumors Really-From: Brendan Heading >Mmm...sorry Brendan, but I have to disagree. It seems to me that most KW fans >get by on the slimmest of diets these days, and the odd rumour does at least >spice things up a bit. It's fairly easy to spot a good rumour over a sheer >wind-up, and when one day something DOES happen, I know I'd like to know >about it sooner rather than later. You just have to sift through this stuff. I really worded this wrongly; what I meant, was a ban on people spreading unfounded rumours so that they can sit back and watch us falling over ourselves speculating about their rumour. >4. Then there's the fact that it is now no less than five years since any new >Kling Klang Produkt has appeared, and since 'Computer World' there's been a >five year gap between each album. Put it another way: if Kraftwerk DON'T >release anything this year, it will be the longest gap *ever*. In an interview somewhere, KW said that they do not release albums until they are finished. Which means that if the new album is not finished by the year 2000, KW will not release it. I don't think the length of time between their releases really gives any hints at all. |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New sound speculation. Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu Fellow Kraftwerkians, For starters, my deepest apologies to all for the behavior of KFK and the presence of his little flame-attempt on the list. I am sorry for sending out my last post responding to him because I did not yet know that he had been removed from the list at that time. In any event, all is said and done. Now then, there has been some discussion on this list recently regarding the sound patches used during the 1983-1986 period that stand out from previous KW sounds. I am primarily referring to the slap bass sound used on "Sex Object" and "Tour De France", the synth strings on "The Telephone Call" and "Techno Pop" and "Sex Object", etc. If KW were to release a new album of brand new material, I am curious to hear what expectations you all have for the sounds they may use. Any ideas? Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "And at the fall of night..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:47:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: bootlegs and mixes Really-From: Phil Lefkowitz HA! HA! What the hell are these KW doing, just chilling out? I hear you loud & clear!!! At 12:09 PM 4/25/96 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Jason Musser > > >Phil, if you want to find bootlegs in the Chicago area, Vintage Vinyl in >Evanston had KW 1 and 2 when I was last there a few weeks ago. Of course >they were more expensive there than anywhere else I'd seen: $35 each. > >Regarding the Mix 2, I also would like them to just forget updating the old >songs and move on to totally new material. They pretty much did them right >the first time; I didn't get a real charge out of the updated versions. I >realize that Ralf and Florian don't have as much interest in the music as in >the sounds. Taken to the extreme, this would suggest that they simply keep >re-recording the same album with different harware every couple of years, >but even if these did sound different, how excited would we be about buying >them? I mean, we'd do it--sure--but it wouldn't be very satisfying. > >Hell, if it's that much trouble for them to come up with new material to >sequence and process and record, I'll write 'em some damn songs! >Maybe they should just do "Kraftwerk Plays the Irving Berlin Songbook" or >something. > >-Jason > > Phil Lefkowitz University of Chicago Graduate School of Business mplefkow@gsgpop.uchicago.edu "Create, don't vegitate" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:53:32 -0400 Subject: Re: New sound speculation. Really-From: Curryous@aol.com I expect to hear ambient, spacious sounds and perhaps musique concrete all done ala KW. Overall, I think the sound will be much quieter with the emphasis on subtlety. Russ Curry ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:25:38 -0400 Subject: RE: New sound speculation. Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >I expect to hear ambient, spacious sounds and perhaps musique concrete all >done ala KW. Overall, I think the sound will be much quieter with the >emphasis on subtlety. >Russ Curry Actually, I'm hoping for new cool sounds, funkier rhythms, and a harder edge to the tunes. Kind of like 'Overdrive' by Elektric Music. Lon ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:35:49 -0700 Subject: Re: to SCOTT have the right to say Really-From: l.meyer@ix.netcom.com (L. Meyer ) >Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" >Dave Datta allows me admin priviledges so I can derail problems like >the ones KFK is attempting to cause, so I have taken the liberty of >removing him from the list. >::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) Thanks!!! :-) |_ |\/| --- L.Meyer@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 18:01:59 -0400 Subject: Kraftwerk/Depeche Mode Mix Really-From: ChipLamb@aol.com Friends: Several weeks ago, some members of this group gave an outline for some great driving music using just Depeche Mode and Kraftwerk. I would very much like to know a good 90 minutes of KW and DP songs to mix together on a tape. Any suggestions? Please get back to me personally at chiplamb@aol.com...no need to clog the system. Cheers- Chip ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 25 Apr 96 18:11:03 EDT Subject: Aktivitaet 7 - 'Kinetik' Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> 'KINETIK ' by The Prof Aktivitaet 7 - September 1995 Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Many fans who attended the Kraftwerk convention in Blackpool last year will remember the impressive performance given by Elektro Kinetik. They performed a set of Kraftwerk songs including 'Tour De France', 'Home Computer', 'Sex Object' and 'Europe Endless'. Having generated a lot of interest amongst the convention goers, Elektro Kinetik retreated to their self contained studio in their home in West Wales to perfect their sound. In doing this they have dropped the Elektro part of their name and are now simply called... KINETIK. The synthetic duo consist of Colin Jordan and Shirleyann Davies. The music which they are now working on is completely original but retains obvious sounds and structures of their Kling Klang influences. Since the convention, Colin and Shirleyann have produced a demo CD and cassette with an accompanying folio of pictures and details of band history and musical techniques. The CD, which is a strictly limited gold pressing, has a cover designed and printed by Dave England, whom some of you may remember as the percussionist and videographer from the debut performance of Elektro Kinetik at the 1993 Kraftwerk Convention. Dave is planning an installation of his art work next year and music for this event is to be produced by Kinetik's Colin Jordan, under the directions of Dave. The natural and synthetic sounds will be conducive to the visuals of this forthcoming exhibition. Other future collaborations in the Kinetik pipeline appear to be some songs to be written and recorded with Simon Darvell, who provided additional keyboards, guitar and percussion at last years Convention performance. The title of the recent Kinetik demo has been appropriately called 'Kinetik Energy'. This demo is a preview of material which will be appearing in a self-produced CD provisionally entitled 'Refined'. Kinetik plan to have the finished product ready for release by December 1995. The underlying theme of this project (influenced by local power stations and refineries) has been the generation and use of energy in the environment and communications. Using a combination of analogue and digital synthesizers, Kinetik are creating sounds, songs and textures to reflect this theme, aided by sampling technology and digital recording capabilities. Colin and Shirleyann have been writing and recording with the help of their like-minded friend and musician Allen Hardy. Allen having been proficient in the use of MIDI sequencing found a whole new world of programming had opened up to him when introduced to the joys and headaches of using Colin's CV and gate controlled synthesizers. Allen's home studio consists of a home computer running dedicated music software, MIDI keyboards and guitar, which he uses for his more rock-orientated style and developing material for Kinetik and other local bands. Allen has also provided video footage for Kinetik towards their 'Refined' project. On writing and recording the 'Kinetik Energy' demo there has been much swopping of floppy disks and dubbing onto DAT's. The tracks appearing on the demo are as follows; 'KINETIK ENERGY', 'PIPELINE', 'NETWORKING', 'REFINED' and an instrumental remix of 'KINETIK ENERGY'. Kinetik are hoping to play live this year and next. There is an invitation to play at an Arts Festival in West Wales and also some other low-key events. The band feel that these would be ideal opportunities to preview their new material, as they all enjoy performing and improvising in a live situation. With a view to live performances becoming more frequent, Colin Jordan has designed and built equipment to make their stage presence feasible, reducing the large volume of outboard equipment to reproduce their new studio sound. Last year, Colin was invited to record music for an educational CD-ROM and was involved with production work, which he expects to continue with into next year. This will be after the completion of Kinetik's 'Refined'. Shirleyann, being classically trained, is also planning to re-interpret some more traditional pieces of music in an electronic format, using her woodwind playing talents on MIDI-acoustic wind-controlled instruments. Aktivitaet asked Kinetik how they felt about emulating the style of Kraftwerk in their own music. Colin Jordan replies; "Since Kraftwerk do not appear to be making many records at the moment, we felt it would be nice to carry on some of their traditions and give people the sounds and style of music they would like to hear". We look forward to hearing and seeing Kinetik soon and wish them success with their music. For further details on Kinetik's activities, please contact; Kinetik, 89 Trewent Park, Freshwater East, Dyfed, SA71 5LP. - - END -- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:23:39 -0400 Subject: Re: New sound speculation. Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com I personally think that they will use the "latest" (mind you, not the most interesting or best) technology - the physical modeling of sounds etc....that is the rage these days. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 21:14:02 -0400 Subject: Re: New sound speculation. Really-From: ChipLamb@aol.com In a message dated 96-04-25 19:25:44 EDT, you write: >Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com > > >I personally think that they will use the "latest" (mind you, not the most >interesting or best) technology - the physical modeling of sounds etc....that >is the rage these days. > > With what Ralf was saying in the last interview regarding his high esteem for the latest and greatest (not to mention fascination) I wouldn't be at all surprised if the new album is too technical for anyone but Ralf to appreciate! Remember Florian is a bit the traditionalist if I remember it right...we are just the loyal followers.... Cheers- Chip ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 21:50:28 -0400 Subject: Re: New sound speculation. Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com Ralf is the traditionalist - Florian is the one who comes up with zanny ideas. Florian is the one who is the tech-head - Ralf seems more occupied with creating the "perfect" music with the technology that Florian provides. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 21:51:28 -0400 Subject: Re: New sound speculation. Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com Also, the latest technology unfortunately seems to gear towards emulating real instruments more than the electronic creation of sound. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #541 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #542 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 27 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 542 Radioactivity: Cleopatra versions ... RYTHM SALAD: THE WAY FORWARD RE: Radioactivity: Cleopatra versions ... RE: RYTHM SALAD: THE WAY FORWARD RE: Radioactivity: Cleopatra versions ... Tchernobyl! Re: New sound speculation. Re: New sound speculation. Re: New sound speculation. 'NEU! 4' / 'THE YEAR IS 2006' Re: New sound speculation. Re: New sound speculation. Re: New sound speculation. Prophet VS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:03:09 -0400 Subject: Radioactivity: Cleopatra versions ... Really-From: prabhu@cs.umass.edu (Rajesh Prabhu) Though any completists out there might be interested in this: While checking out the Kraftwerk section in the local mall, I noticed another Cleopatra version of "Radioactivity": this one has the front cover almost the same as the Capitol one, but missing the Capitol logo, and the outlines of the radio are in a shiny metallic color, on a black background. The back cover is almost the same as the original, but condensed and moved to the left, with a songlist on the right side. The previous Cleopatra version of course had that awful green shade, and the group photograph on the rear ... I didn't get it, since I already own the two CD versions : the "green" Cleopatra & the new supposedly remastered Capitol. Cleopatra also did the same thing with "The Model: the best of" compilation. Surely they don't think us folks are that desperate that we'd buy new versions for new cover art, do they? By the way, for the "new sound" suggestions, they wouldn't think of some kind of "electronic rap" would they? (but then, Aafrika Bambaata's already done that, right?) - -- Rajesh ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 09:49:32 EDT Subject: RYTHM SALAD: THE WAY FORWARD Really-From: Nicholas Patrick Carlisle I would like to think that Ralph & Florian would have by this time rethought how to use rhythm- what I think has dated most about the Mix is both the bass drum/snare sound, and the actual rhythms they are beating. Have Kraftwerk been listening to jungle I wonder? Or bands like Tortoise who have brought a bit of renewed imagination back to rhythm programming? I think I'd be quite bored and disappointed if the new Kraftwerk album turned out to sound like yet another 'high' 'NRG' dance album- it would sound tacky and old (rather like the Pet Shop Boys abismal remix of Bowie's Hallo Spaceboy). Personally I feel the time is right for an album more along the lines of the very first albums R&F made back in the early 70's- done in the late 90's of course they would have a different overall sound but perhaps what would be fresh right now would be that good old sense of discovery and brave experimentation that's always so rare. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:54:44 -0400 Subject: RE: Radioactivity: Cleopatra versions ... Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." > While checking out the Kraftwerk section in the local mall, I noticed >another Cleopatra version of "Radioactivity": this one has the front >cover almost the same as the Capitol one, but missing the Capitol logo, >and the outlines of the radio are in a shiny metallic color, on a black >background. >-- Rajesh I got that one in New York recently. It's a Canadian release I believe and when you open the front of their equipment (backstage?) in whitish jumpsuits looking down at the camera. The image is overexposed and the text of the album info is written over the top of the picture. It's a cool picture though. Lon ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:00:47 -0400 Subject: RE: RYTHM SALAD: THE WAY FORWARD Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >Really-From: Nicholas Patrick Carlisle >I would like to think that Ralph & Florian would have by this time rethought how to use rhythm- what I think has dated most about the Mix is both the bass drum/snare sound, and the actual rhythms they are beating. Have Kraftwerk been listening to jungle I wonder? Or bands like Tortoise who have brought a bit of renewed imagination back to rhythm programming? I think I'd be quite bored and disappointed if the new Kraftwerk album turned out to sound like yet another 'high' 'NRG' dance album- it would sound tacky and old (rather >like the Pet Shop Boys abismal remix of Bowie's Hallo Spaceboy). No fear of that happening. KW has always done fun and interesting things with beats that are quite original. I don't think KW will ever sound like anyone else. Lon ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:03:01 -0400 Subject: RE: Radioactivity: Cleopatra versions ... Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." Sorry, My response should have read: I got that one in New York recently. It's a Canadian release I believe and when you open the insert there is a picture of the 4 members in front of their equipment (backstage?) in whitish jumpsuits looking down at the camera. The image is overexposed and the text of the album info is written over the top of the picture. It's a cool picture though. Lon > While checking out the Kraftwerk section in the local mall, I noticed >another Cleopatra version of "Radioactivity": this one has the front >cover almost the same as the Capitol one, but missing the Capitol logo, >and the outlines of the radio are in a shiny metallic color, on a black >background. >-- Rajesh ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:30:35 +0200 Subject: Tchernobyl! Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) TEN YEARS since the Radioactive accident at Tchernobyl powerstation... _ _ _ _ | |_| |_ |_| |_| | | |_ |_ | /| |_ o | |_ | | | |_| |_| |_|| | | |_| / \ As a russian guy, i was specially concerned by this tragedy ( however i was enough far to avoid its direct effects ). It coul'd be nice if KW made thei apparition today, with their RADIOACTIVITAT, but nothing at all... doesn't matter, it was just to remind the fact... TiM / LCF - -- __ Timour JGENTI _____________ INSTITUT FRANCAIS DU PETROLE / DIMA gr.Image __ timour.jgenti@ifp.fr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:57:08 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: New sound speculation. Really-From: Iggy Drougge On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu > > > Fellow Kraftwerkians, > > For starters, my deepest apologies to all for the behavior of KFK > and the presence of his little flame-attempt on the list. I am sorry for > sending out my last post responding to him because I did not yet know that > he had been removed from the list at that time. In any event, all is said > and done. I just can't resist responding to such idiots... > Now then, there has been some discussion on this list recently > regarding the sound patches used during the 1983-1986 period that stand out > from previous KW sounds. I am primarily referring to the slap bass sound > used on "Sex Object" and "Tour De France", the synth strings on "The > Telephone Call" and "Techno Pop" and "Sex Object", etc. If KW were to > release a new album of brand new material, I am curious to hear what > expectations you all have for the sounds they may use. Any ideas? Seeing to their recent trends, with "Electric Cafe" and "The Mix", and also Elektric Music, they seem to become more "poppy", perhaps not with as much minimalism as before, more tones in between, not as monotone beats. That is OK, though, IMO. What I'm afraid for is that they won't sound enough like "Kraftwerk", though we'll probably get used to it, and later not regard it as any more strange than their eariler albums. They certainly have changed through the years before... Another question: I saw at a local record shop, a KW 7" (I think, not sure about LP formats and imperial) EP (?), with "The Robots" and "Spacelab" (Or was it "Neon Lights?"). Its conver was the same as "The Man Machine", but it was only printed in white, red and black, making their faces very stilized. Is this rare/Should I get it? =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:30:43 -0400 Subject: Re: New sound speculation. Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com I hope Kraftwerk goes back to a minimalistic sound, incorcporating the latest and old technology. Too bad that much of the music is based solely on what is available in technology - I would hope they used old instruments as well, because they act as different spices in the electronic salad of Kraftwerk. Also - they should play around a lot with reverb and delay like on EC and Mix, using these spatial tools as part of the music itself. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:12:29 -0400 Subject: Re: New sound speculation. Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I speculate heavy use of sound "morphing," where one synth sound gradually transforms into another. I have always been struck by the fact that even where Kraftwerk seem repetitious, the arrangements and textures slowly evolve and change until you realize that the sound you're listening to at the moment is quite different from what you were hearing a few minutes ago (I guess a classic example of this would be "Autobahn"). I'd like to hear sounds morph in time spans of anywhere from a split second to the duration of the composition...and I would bet this is among the things the men from Dusseldorf are exploring. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 26 Apr 96 15:17:32 EDT Subject: 'NEU! 4' / 'THE YEAR IS 2006' Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> What follows is pure fiction on my part, perhaps some will find the scenario an interesting diversion during the continuing rumour of new albums... 'THE YEAR IS 2006. Bootleg hyperchips of Kraftwerk's early albums have been on download-availability in large leisure- hyperstores such as HMV-Tower, Virgin, Netscape Leisure. Public profile of the band is hightened by the availability of this material on the new format, those with no access to the unfashionable and outmoded CD format now have the chance to listen to this strange, early material. Later in 2006, interest is generated by the release of a NEW hyperchip by Kraftwerk, called 'The Mix 96'. The low-grade dot- matrix graphics on the hologram cover packaging reveal all, this is undeniably of the Kraftwerk house. Sleeve datanotes inside, again in rather dated computer-script typeface, offer Florian Schneider's thoughts on this release of material recorded by the band in 1995-1996, but until now hidden away in the Kling Klang vaults. Disputes between the Kraftwerk trio of Huetter, Schneider and Hilpert over the quality of the material led to the project being abandoned. There was no further news on Kraftwerk other than the bi-annual rumours of a 'Mix 2', cancelled festival shows in Europe and occasional high-tech equipment endorsements. Until 2006; now Schneider has accepted the fantastic offer from a small Pacific-Rim hyperchip label and the previously unreleased archive recordings from this time are presented for all to hear. In the sleevedata, there is a plea from Schneider asking if anyone can help in persuading Huetter to re-form for a tour of the Pacific-Rim countries, he reveals that he has approached Huetter about the release and the tour but there has been no response from the new Kling Klang development as yet. Schneider also advises fans not to buy the bootleg microchips of the early albums, revealing that he hopes that there will be official releases 'soon'. He opines that the quality of the material is variable and that he missed the balance that Karl Bartos had brought to the bands previous recordings.' Sounds too far fetched in these times of 'The Mix 2' and new album rumours, right? Well, read on; the following extract is Klaus Dinger's sleevenotes from the recent 'NEU! 4' CD of recordings made 10 years ago but not released until recent times. This, then, is fact; "So is it: dealings since '90 on the CD-rights of the first 3 NEU! LPs ended in court in late '94: since then I've won the first 4 of max. 6 rounds against Polygram/Metronome. One result: a growing bootleg campaign world-wide incl. a certain Julian Cope wearing illegal NEU! t-shirts on BBC "Top Of The P." - +: a growing number of musicians naming NEU! a major influence on them or simply stealing/sampling/producing 'soundalikes' etc. - - NEU! is certainly some of the greatest + most inventive music (sorry!) but - unlike Kraftwerk - so far didn't reach the big audience - not directly at least. But ... that will change - hopefully, soon. Unfortunately, Michael so far didn't even react to a recent offer for 2 live shows in Japan - (could anybody help us please!) So: in this situation I finally decided to accept a phantastic offer from Ken Matsutami of Captain Trip Records - Tokyo (thank you Ken!) for the release of this NEU! 4 material which, under mysterious circumstances, was never released so far. It was our 1. collaboration, 10 years after NEU! '75. I used compilation 4 from 27 April '86 + mixed it with some (then) waste material (titles 5, 6, 7, 8, 14). Made without Conny as mediator + in the middle of the electronic revolution NEU! 4 may be not as revolutionary as the first 3 albums - it's certainly unique + a precise mirror of how we were then: in '85 - '86." The Editor 21.10.95 (aka Klaus Dinger) Hope you enjoyed it! Ian Calder ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: New sound speculation. Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu At 01:30 PM 4/26/96 -0400, ManMachn2@aol.com wrote: >I hope Kraftwerk goes back to a minimalistic sound, incorcporating the latest >and old technology. I personally would *love* to see KW's new album represent a return to a more minimalist and experimental nature regarding sound and sound sources. Being a huge fan of their first 3 albums, I would be kept content for years to come if that were the case. Realistically however, it's probably safe to assume that they will not incorporate that more experimental sound in their new material. The evolution of their music has been moving in a straight line since 1970 to the present, and to return to that sound now would probably mean throwing a monkey-wrench into the works to them. Also, since KW have been somewhat adamant about not re-issuing their first 3 albums on CD in the U.S., it seems that they are looking for their music to branch away from that sound entirely. Of course, I'll be happy with whatever sounds they give me to work with, but I'm just hoping it'll be a step forward while still looking back. In fact, I for one would love to see the traffic cone image re-surface on the cover of their next album, but I suppose that's wishful thinking to the Nth degree. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Synthetic, electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:19:47 -0400 Subject: Re: New sound speculation. Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com Yes, there is that kind of minimalism - but I think that there is far *less* going on with the overall sound on albums like Man-Machine - the drums are extremely minimal and the use of space in the music is well defined. EC is also a minimal album - the Mix, however sounds more like a straight dance record with lots and lots of things thrown in for no real added effect. I like the Mix mainly because it brings me up-to-date on what the boys are doing now (rather 1991). I like EC and everything previous because they are tremendous albums. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 03:08:49 +0200 Subject: Re: New sound speculation. Really-From: Paulo Mouat > I speculate heavy use of sound "morphing," where one synth sound > gradually transforms into another. (...) I would bet this is among the > things the men from Dusseldorf are exploring. Except that this technology has nothing new, and for quite a while... The Sequential Systems' synths (the Prophet, for instance), which belong to the 'vintage' category of synthesizers use something similar in effect, vector synthesis. For RH or FS to be exploring this, it would not mean the breaking of new ground. > I'd like to hear sounds morph in time spans of anywhere from a split > second to the duration of the composition... You should hear 'serious' :-) electronic music, i.e. which falls (in common music store parlance, although I find it incorrect) in the avant-garde genre. From a conceptual point of view, you have the most interesting and curious techniques of composition in this genre of EM. Best! - -- ********************************* Paulo Mouat, mouat@telepac.pt ********************************* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 00:32:32 -0400 Subject: Prophet VS Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com I remember someone recently said that in Florian's arsenal during the Computer World tour was a Prophet VS synth. This would be impossible since it came out in 1986. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #542 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #543 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 28 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 543 Re: Prophet VS Re: Radio-Activity Cleopatra versions Re: Prophet VS Tortoise Morphing, etc. Re: to SCOTT have the right to say Re: to SCOTT have the right to say Re: Tchernobyl! The 96 Kraftwerk Poll!!!! Re: "Mix 2" rumour Again: This "Interview" Re: Again: This "Interview" 'Exceller 8' on CD?! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 10:59:03 +0200 Subject: Re: Prophet VS Really-From: majortom@muc.de (Michael Wesemann) >Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com > >I remember someone recently said that in Florian's arsenal during the >Computer World tour was a Prophet VS synth. This would be impossible since >it came out in 1986. It was a Prophet 5 (originally written with the roman number V). ________ michael __________________________________________________ http://www.muc.de/~majortom/analogue/amusic.htm ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 27 Apr 96 05:32:18 EDT Subject: Re: Radio-Activity Cleopatra versions Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> >Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." > > I got that one in New York recently. It's a Canadian release I believe and > when you open the front of their equipment (backstage?) in whitish jumpsuits > looking down at the camera. The image is overexposed and the text of the > album info is written over the top of the picture. It's a cool picture > though. That photograph is actually Kraftwerk pictured when visiting a nuclear power station in Holland. If you see the whole photo (the one used on this CD is cropped), they're even wearing the required footwear! Even though the packaging states that it is manufactured in Canada, it is most probably still a US release; almost all of the Cleopatra issues state that they are manufactured in Canada - normally the discs, the packaging is often printed in the US. Ian Calder ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 27 Apr 96 05:32:25 EDT Subject: Re: Prophet VS Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> > Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com > > I remember someone recently said that in Florian's arsenal during the > Computer World tour was a Prophet VS synth. This would be impossible since > it came out in 1986. It was a Prophet 5, not VS. Ian Calder ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 27 Apr 96 07:20:34 EDT Subject: Tortoise Really-From: Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@CompuServe.COM> >I would like to think that Ralph & Florian would have by this time rethought how to use rhythm- what I think has dated most about the Mix is both the bass drum/snare sound, and the actual rhythms they are beating. Have Kraftwerk been listening to jungle I wonder? Or bands like Tortoise who have brought a bit of renewed imagination back to rhythm programming? I think I'd be quite bored and disappointed if the new Kraftwerk album turned out to sound like yet another 'high' 'NRG' dance album- it would sound tacky and old (rather >like the Pet Shop Boys abismal remix of Bowie's Hallo Spaceboy). Wow, someone else who likes Tortoise, IMO they are brilliant. I saw them live recently and they were incredible...a band who can play their instruments and have just the right mixture melodies and experimentation. In this sense they are very much like Kraftwerk, not sonically but in terms of ideas. I'm interested you mention their "rhythm programming"...as bar the odd ancient drum machine beat and occasional bit of sampled rhythms most of the stuff is live drumming...both conventional kits, percussion and a Simmonds kit. I don't feel however that the Mix sounded anything like a 'high NRG' album, think about the mix of Radioactivity, its incredible. However, it would be cool if the boys had been listening to a bit of Drum and Bass...I can only wonder how they would interpretate it... Tom ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 09:53:58 -0400 Subject: Morphing, etc. Really-From: NDKent@aol.com > I speculate heavy use of sound "morphing," where one synth sound > gradually transforms into another. (...) I would bet this is among the > things the men from Dusseldorf are exploring. >>Except that this technology has nothing new, and for quite a while... >>The Sequential Systems' synths (the Prophet, for instance), which belong >>to the 'vintage' category of synthesizers use something similar in >>effect, vector synthesis. For RH or FS to be exploring this, it would >>not mean the breaking of new ground. Just wanted to correct some inaccurate info here. The Sequential Circuits Prophet VS's Vector Synthesis is as much Morphing as a an audio crossfade (a quadraphonic one to be percise) is. In a nutshell it had four digital ocillators that played back selectable ROM looped waves. A joystick allowed the player to mix the 4 waves in real time in a sort of x-y axis. What makes this synth popular in vintage circles is that besides the sentiment being the last Sequential Circuits synth (they did a sampler later) it had analog filters and you could get a lots of controlable and programable timbre changes over time due to the vector control. P.S. Yamaha, who bought Sequential, repackaged a variation on this concept in the TG55 and SY22. Some of the technology also went to Korg, who Yamaha owns an interest in, for their Wavestation series. I'm sure some accademic/experimental music of the 80s used non-real time morphing using additive re-synthesis. For whatever it's worth the Crumar GDS/Synergy/Mulogix Slave 32 could do all sorts of interpolations using digital additive and a varriant of FM back in the 80s. On the other hand only a handfull of musicians had the tools to program them, and even fewer really knew how (i.e. Wendy Carlos, Stoney Stockwell) besides it having no re-synthesis tools. You could debate that the E-mu Morpheus which morphs via a complex digital filter is even actual morphing. (It probably would win it's case though). The new Technics keyboard has something debatably morph-like implemented also. Some things to think about regarding the first 3 KW albums. I doubt KW wants them on the market, but that's besides the point since most likely Philips is in the decision making position. Now I have no proof of this in the case of KW, but in the case of a number of other German bands of that period the master tapes have been lost or have deteriorated to the extent that acceptable cds can't be mastered from them if the albums have been out of print for years. nick kent (I'm a fan of Stanley Kubrick, who has certain similarities in work habits to KW ;) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 16:11:41 +0100 Subject: Re: to SCOTT have the right to say Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) Although I may have missed some of the correspondance what I did see did not justify banning the guy from the list. The AOL pillock whose mail was full of foul language deserved to be removed - I agree with that. However, removing this guy whose only crime seem to be to express an opinion which you Big Brother Lazlo didn't like seems harsh. I think it is a questionable use of amin privaliges. Brian >Dave Datta allows me admin priviledges so I can derail problems like the >ones KFK is attempting to cause, so I have taken the liberty of removing >him from the list. If you send messages to the list he won't see them, so >please keep any further correspondence on this issue to private email. > >-- >::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) > > ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 13:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: to SCOTT have the right to say Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu At 04:11 PM 4/27/96 +0100, bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) wrote: >Although I may have missed some of the correspondance what I did see did not >justify banning the guy from the list. The AOL pillock whose mail was full >of foul language deserved to be removed - I agree with that. However, >removing this guy whose only crime seem to be to express an opinion which >you Big Brother Lazlo didn't like seems harsh. > >I think it is a questionable use of amin privaliges. I think that "expressing an opinion" regarding KW is fine and acceptable, but not when that opinion is an all-out vulgar bash of the band that the mailing list appreciates. Most people would find it safe to say that a mailing list for a particular musical group is also a sort of an electronic appreciation society for people who enjoy listening to the music of that particular group. List members may have differing opinions regarding the specifics of the group's work, but the overall consensus of the list members is that the group they are discussing is in some way a monumental and creative force worthy of discussion. For KFK to voice an opinion that he hates the music of KW and that they "suck" is hardly appropriate or necessary discussion for this list. Furthermore, KFK admitted that his post was an attempt at flaming and riling up list members, which is clearly grounds for expulsion from the list. Free speech is one thing, but let's be serious here. That's why I spoke out against KFK's ludicrous remarks in the first place. Lazlo was certainly justified in doing what he did, and I would have done the same. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "We're functioning automatic..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 16:21:10 +0100 Subject: Re: Tchernobyl! Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >As a russian guy, i was specially concerned by this tragedy ( however >i was enough far to avoid its direct effects ). i'm glad you're confident of this. I know that in the Soviet Union you guys used to believe all the rubbish which you were fed but PLEASE remember that even in the UK we are still feeling the effects of 'your' disaster 10 years on. Caesium has entered the soil in parts of Wales and sheep farmed on these lands are too contaminated for human consumption. Remember that your communist system was to the detriment of the free world as well as the Soviet Union. Brian PS: I have been asked to produce a report on Kraftwerk in the communist world. I am particularly interested in Kratfwerk in thew Soviet Union through the 70's and 80's. Please e-mail me directly if you can provide any information. PS2: Please don't take my criticisms of the communist system personally!!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 20:10:15 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: The 96 Kraftwerk Poll!!!! Really-From: Lars Nellemann Hello All It's now 2.5 years since a poll was done on this list, so I thought it might be time for another one - and this time an extended one, just to see what kind of people actually are on this list. So if you please could send me answers of the following questions before 15th May - that'll be great. Please send all answers to me (nelleman@biobase.dk) and not to the KW-list. Thanks in advance The 96 KW Poll!! 1: Best Kraftwerk Album? 2: Best Kraftwerk track? 3: Favourite all time Artist/Band, apart from Kraftwerk? 4: At todays Electronic/Techno/Ambient etc scene, which band comes Closest to being the most innovative/renewing band? - in other words: Who are the Kraftwerk's of the 90'ties? The last 3 questions is merely ment to try to figure out what kind of people are on this list. 5: Sex (M/F)? 6: Age? 7: Country? Please answer these 7 qustions and reply to nelleman@biobase.dk before May 15th - thank you. - -- ******************************************************************** * Lars Nellemann * I'm confused - Like a thirsty * * nelleman@biobase.dk * baby in a topless bar ! * * National Hospital of Denmark * ******************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 23:35:56 +0000 Subject: Re: "Mix 2" rumour Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > > This person who claims to have spoken to Ralf Huetter says also > > that Kraftwerk would be working on two albums at the moment, a "Mix 2" > > and a new one... > > This sound like he's taking you for a ride. To suggest they are > working on one album is a very big if. To claim its 2 albums is complete > b*******. Well, this story of the two albums was also reported from several other sources, including EMI Electrola and Emil Schult. And Ralf Huetter used to claim in his interviews from 1991 that Kraftwerk would have been working on two albums since "Electric Cafe", "The Mix" and a second one with new material, which would appear after the tour in early 1992... Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 23:35:57 +0000 Subject: Again: This "Interview" Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de 1. > If you could E-mail me the rest of the interview, too I would > appreciate it. 2. > With what Ralf was saying in the last interview regarding his high > esteem for the latest and greatest (not to mention fascination) It seems as if previous postings to this list regarding the authenticity of this so-called interview and the credibility of it's sender were not clear enough, so I try to say it more clearly: a) This "interview" is a fake, part 2 as well as part 1. b) Brian Gaze has posted numerous other hoaxes to this list in the past, so you should be sceptical with information provided by him. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 19:55:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Again: This "Interview" Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com Well, from the way Ralf Hutter words his sentences in the Brain Gaze interview, one can easily see that it is not real. From other stuff i've read of Ralf's quotes, the answers to the Brian Gaze interview are complete B.S. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:28:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: 'Exceller 8' on CD?! Really-From: Kevin Busby Someone who saw my Kraftwerk WWW pages recently emailed me to ask about the availability of the old 'Exceller 8' compilation on CD. She says she did see it on CD once, with the same cover illustration as the original LP. The CD isn't listed in Lazlo's Kraftwerk discography, and I must say I'm surprised to hear of it being reissued as a CD. Maybe it was a bootleg? Kevin ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #543 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #544 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 28 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 544 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 03:49:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: In Support of Lazlo Really-From: Jason Musser I appreciated Lazlo's stepping in to remove KFK (or whatever he was called) from the list. It reminds me of going to concerts with my brother-in-law, who works as a security guard: sometimes it's nice to have someone to run off the irritating people who try to push in front of you. I find it gives me greater peace of mind to have someone else whose purpose it is to eliminate annoying people from my presence for me. But perhaps I'm just getting old and reactionary. I like to ascribe it more to general weariness. The only good reason for keeping that joker on the list would be for new members to see what happens in response to a post like that. It's interesting, but only once. Since I've seen it before, I'm all for giving that guy the bum's rush so we can get back to our conversation. One thing that did bother me was that joker's subject ("I have the right..."). He doesn't have the right to say anything here. None of us does. We speak here only by the grace of the individuals and the hardware that support the list. And comparing Lazlo to Big Brother is not accurate. Voluntarily signing up to a mailing list is not an analogous situation to being born into a society governed by a repressive totalitarian regime. It would be more accurate to think of the mailing list as a party that someone gives in their home. If the host doesn't like the way you're acting, he doesn't need the advice and consent of the other guests to throw you out. All he needs is the power. - -Jason p.s. Did anyone bother spamming that guy's mailbox for him? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 28 Apr 96 06:33:34 EDT Subject: Re: Exceller 8 CD Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> > Really-From: Kevin Busby > > Someone who saw my Kraftwerk WWW pages recently emailed me to ask about the > availability of the old 'Exceller 8' compilation on CD. She says she did see > it on CD once, with the same cover illustration as the original LP. The CD > isn't listed in Lazlo's Kraftwerk discography, and I must say I'm surprised to > hear of it being reissued as a CD. Maybe it was a bootleg? Haven't heard of any release, official or bootleg for 'Exceller 8' but... At one of the previous Kraftwerk convention's held in Blackpool, there was a fan who had made their own CD-Rs of the early LPs, even down to colour lasercopying the original sleeves. I definitely saw 'Kraftwerk' (the UK double LP version with the oscilloscope sleeve) and 'Ralf and Florian' - *possibly* there may also have been 'Exceller 8' too? This was February 1994, before any of the Germanofon ones appeared on the scene. Ian Calder ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 11:50:28 -0500 Subject: Re: to SCOTT have the right to say Really-From: datta@archive.uwp.edu Just catching up with stuff a bit today... : Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) : However, : removing this guy whose only crime seem to be to express an opinion which : you Big Brother Lazlo didn't like seems harsh. : : I think it is a questionable use of amin privaliges. Brian, the person Lazlo removed stated pretty explicitly that he was here to slam the band and cause trouble on the list. He is free to re-join the list and read stuff but I cannot see why he would do so. Joining a mailing list about a topic you don't like just so you can make fun of people and disrupt discussions is certainly not something I am going to defend or allow on the lists I run. Lazlo was correct, that type of posting is exactly why I gave him admin access, to head these types of things off before they become unstoppable. It has happened on many lists before and I am sure it will continue to happen but if it can be prevented here, that is what we will do. I don't care if someone who doesn't like kraftwerk joins the list and posts, as long as it is something intelligent, not just flame bait. Anyone dumb enough to admit that they are posting to incite a flame fest has no reason to be on the list. - Big Brother Dave. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 12:09:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: RE: RYTHM SALAD: THE WAY FORWARD Really-From: Brendan Heading >>Really-From: Nicholas Patrick Carlisle >>I would like to think that Ralph & Florian would have by this time >rethought how to use rhythm- what I think has dated most about the >Mix is both the bass drum/snare sound, and the actual rhythms they >are beating. Have Kraftwerk been listening to jungle I wonder? Or >bands like Tortoise who have brought a bit of renewed imagination >back to rhythm programming? I think I'd be quite bored and >disappointed if the new Kraftwerk album turned out to sound like yet >another 'high' 'NRG' dance album- it would sound tacky and old (rather >>like the Pet Shop Boys abismal remix of Bowie's Hallo Spaceboy). >No fear of that happening. KW has always done fun and interesting things >with beats that are quite original. I don't think KW will ever sound like >anyone else. >Lon Obviously you haven't listened to the Mix then. |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| -- I didn't want to make music. I didn't want to be a robot, even, I didn't want to be with the boys after all those years..." --Wolfgang Fleur, leaving Kraftwerk in 1990. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 12:10:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Tchernobyl! Really-From: Brendan Heading >>As a russian guy, i was specially concerned by this tragedy ( however >>i was enough far to avoid its direct effects ). >i'm glad you're confident of this. I know that in the Soviet Union you guys >used to believe all the rubbish which you were fed but PLEASE remember that >even in the UK we are still feeling the effects of 'your' disaster 10 years >on. Caesium has entered the soil in parts of Wales and sheep farmed on these >lands are too contaminated for human consumption. Remember that your >communist system was to the detriment of the free world as well as the >Soviet Union. >Brian FUCK's SAKE BRIAN! That's a bit hard, innit ? I'll take this up in private... >PS2: Please don't take my criticisms of the communist system personally!!!! You made them sound very personal! |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| -- I didn't want to make music. I didn't want to be a robot, even, I didn't want to be with the boys after all those years..." --Wolfgang Fleur, leaving Kraftwerk in 1990. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 14:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: RYTHM SALAD: THE WAY FORWARD Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu >>No fear of that happening. KW has always done fun and interesting things >>with beats that are quite original. I don't think KW will ever sound like >>anyone else. >>Lon > >Obviously you haven't listened to the Mix then. I am aware that there are many people on this list that do not like 'The Mix' because they consider it too "normal" sounding and too similar to typical modern dance music, but I must disagree. Granted, the percussion and beats used are certainly a bold step for Kraftwerk to have taken, seeing how they never used such dancey beats even on their most dancey songs prior to the 'The Mix'. Putting the beats aside however, I feel that the sound patches, timbres, and actual tones of the melodies themselves are clearly and exclusively that of the trademarked 'Kraftwerk sound'. The minimalist melody lines of "Pocket Calculator", "Computer Love", etc. are performed on 'The Mix' with striking resolution which I feel is automatically attributable to and recognizable as KW. I for one did not dislike the use of modern dance percussion and beats at all. I thought it was well-defined musical statement for KW which was able to say in a way, "You see, we can do everything that the modern dance bands can do today, and *still* maintain that one and only KW sound." While I have major difficulty rating KW albums as better than each other, I have to say that 'The Mix' is right up there on my list of favorites. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "I'm the operator with my pocket calculator..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 14:02:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: I have the right to say Really-From: Brendan Heading >-- Really-From: Iggy Drougge >On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: >> Really-From: "KANG K.F. B.ENG.ELECT." >> You guys go on a stuff about Kraftwerk, but I think Tangerine Dream >> is by far the best synthesizer band. I used to like KW ( autobahn is >I am actually relieved ot to be cikunted into the same fan group as this >guy. Why did he go to the trouble of subscribing to a list only to insult >its users? Folks, when people send in shit like this, it gets us nowhere when we start flaming the LIST. If we condemn things like this on the LIST, we're also flaming everyone else who subs to the list!!! Just send your replies to the guy who wrote it for Pete's sake! We all know what a twat he is. TD write great music, but so do Kraftwerk. There is no sense of better or worse. |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 14:14:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Imaginary 'The Mix 2' tracklist Really-From: Brendan Heading >>> If they ever did release the 'Mix 2', I always >>> imagined its track listing would look something like this: >>> >>> 1. The Model >>> 2. Tour De France >>> 3. Showroom Dummies >>> 4. Neon Lights >>> 5. Numbers >>> 6. Hall Of Mirrors >>> 7. Computerworld >>> 8. The Telephone Call >>> 9. Antenna >>> 10. Europe Endless >> >If the Mix 2 does appear I for one will not be buying it. If after 6 years >all they can produce is another 40 minutes of remixed nonsense they aren't >worth following. I'd like to agree strongly on that one. I think it might be a good idea if KW pulled in a few more musicians - I was thinking the other day, could 2 musicians deliver the same brilliance as 4 ? Karl and Wolfgang must have had some influence on how the music came out in the end. I would be very disappointed if they rehashed Europe Endless and Hall of Mirrors- two of my fave tracks. The wait drags on. It's becoming agonising.... |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 28 Apr 96 15:43:54 EDT Subject: Aktivitaet 5 - 'It was 20 years ago today...' Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> 'It was 20 years ago today...' The 'Ralf and Florian' LP under the spotlight by IAC Aktivitaet 5 - December 1993 Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 20 years ago, Kraftwerk released their 'Ralf and Florian' LP. To mark the event, we will look at various aspects of the LP, which, to the majority of the fanzines readers, still remains one of their least heard LPs. The LP was first released in Germany in November 1973. The original vinyl LP copies appear to have been deleted round about 1981/82 or so. Since then there has been no re-issues at all; neither on vinyl nor, surprisingly to outside observers, on CD. With the gift of hindsight, 'Ralf and Florian' can be seen to be the LP that gave the first indications of the direction in which Kraftwerk's future sound lay. Really, there is very little that can connect the contents of 'Kraftwerk 1' or 'Kraftwerk 2' to later recordings. 'Ralf and Florian' however, is the first LP on which the band were able to utilise a proper keyboard-synthesizer, in preference to the organs and electric pianos previously employed, and this fact is what undoubtedly shaped this LP's contents. The rear of the cover for 'Ralf and Florian' gives us a good look at their equipment at that point in time. The picture shows that Ralf had by this time added a Mini Moog synthesizer to his set-up. Back in 1973 a Mini Moog would be a rather desirable item for a band of Kraftwerk's ideals. Unlike some other synthesizers/electronic gear, which could produce electronic sound but were not equipped with a keyboard, the Mini Moog could not only produce a wide array of unique sounds but, with its keyboard, would allow the player to harness these sounds in a melodic fashion; tunes! While earlier records contain electronic sounds, most of the keyboard sounds appear to be from either an electric piano or an organ, neither of which would give the player such a wide scope as a proper synthesizer. Back to the photo; as well as the Mini Moog, Ralf is also equipped with a Farfisa electric piano, though this appears to be augmented by a hefty box of tricks mounted above it. In addition, he also has a set of bass pedals too. Florian's ensemble is far more uncommon; there is a fair amount of electronic gear on display, though none of these devices have a keyboard as such. Presumably, the rhythm generator first heard on 'Kling Klang' and also on this LP is amongst the gear. In addition, a number of flutes are there too, as well as some kind of guitar - 8 stringed - probably, judging by what is heard on 'Ananas Symphonie', some kind of a lap-steel guitar. As I mentioned, this LP points the way to the future Kraftwerk, though it still reaches into the past in its reliance on flutes, drum kit and guitars. Despite this, the differences between this LP and the previous two are quite clear. Whereas the first two records often utilised sound on its own as an end in itself, the contents of this LP are far more melodic and tuneful, clearly more keyboard-based. While the sounds themselves are still as important, greater thought has been given to the melodies and tunes. Pop music, here we come. The previous LP, 'Kraftwerk 2', has very little in the way of keyboards on it. Side one is dominated by 'Kling Klang', the instrumentation of which appears to be; rhythm box, bass guitar, flutes, electric piano (and the numerous chimes at the start of the song). Side two is dominated by electric guitar, bass guitar, flute and echo box. A proper keyboard-synthesizer just isn't there! One point worth noting is that the contents of the songs on 'Ralf and Florian' are probably the least 'industrial' of Kraftwerk's entire output, which is at odds with the previous and subsequent LP's. For starters, the titles themselves portray more abstract, gentler themes; 'electric roulette', 'Tongebirge' (roughly, a mountain of sound(?) ), 'crystals', 'the sounds of home', 'dancemusic', 'pineapple symphony'. A far cry from autobahns, transistors, megahertz, robots, spacelabs and computers of earlier and later work. The music on 'Ralf and Florian' is softer; gone are the cacaphonous extremes of sound that typify the earlier records. Lusher, more synthetic sounds, as opposed to industrial hums and buzzes, permeate this work. It's easy to understand why the first two LPs hold little appeal for some listeners; while later Kraftwerk can be heard on tracks such as 'Ruckzuck' and 'Kling Klang', these are the exceptions rather than the rule. In particular, side 2 of 'Kraftwerk 2', with its untidy, formless guitar experimentation, will have little in common to fans more suited to the smooth finish of a 'Trans-Europe Express' or an 'Electric Cafe'. 'Ralf and Florian' might though. For the benefit of readers who haven't heard the LP or know much of its tracks, here are some comments on the tracks. This is purely subjective and my own opinion. Many readers may feel that 'Ralf and Florian' is the best LP ever made and that such descriptions may well detract from the LP or prejudice new listeners against it. On the other hand, some may well think it's a load of garbage and some kind of pre-'Autobahn' twaddle! Elektrisches Roulette Well, this could be a case of 'We've got a Mini Moog and we're gonna use it!' A range of electronic sounds are heard throughout the track, in addition to drums and percussion, electric piano, electric violin(?). Tunes abound and collide. I would imagine that, at this point in time, if you were a fan of the band, taking the LP home from the record shop and placing it on your turntable for the first time, this track must have seemed like a bolt from the blue; it sounds quite different to anything from the previous two LPs and it would probably seem as if Kraftwerk were heading for more mainstream trajectories. Tongebirge Kraftwerk in 'ambient' mode. This is quite laid back, a slowly unfolding tune. No rhythm as such to propel the track, with Florian's heavily echoed flute on one side of the mix and Ralf's synthesizer melodies on the other. Rather pleasant. Kristallo This track is often singled out as being one of the most original and progressive of the tracks from this LP. This is probably due to the bass synth and its choppy rhythm which would, in all seriousness, not have sounded out of place coming from any loudspeaker during 1988's acid house summer of love! While it doesn't have a thumping four-from-the-floor bass drum beat to anchor it, you can hear the similarities. Above this, there is a more random, freeform keyboard line, which often seems to play at a different tempo from the bass rhythm, which may sound odd to some ears. This would appear to be the first ever completely electronic/synthesized Kraftwerk track. No flute, no guitar, no drums, no violin. Heimatklaenge Like 'Tongebirge', this is quite laid back. Made up primarily from flute and piano, it is perhaps a Kraftwerk equivalent to the 'ambient'/ furniture music area explored, later, by Brian Eno and pondered, earlier, by Erik Satie. Heimatklaenge; the sounds of home. Environmental music? Music to do your washing up to?! Well, Ralf has been known to make such claims for Kraftwerk's music in interviews! Tanzmusik This track is probably the one which sounds most like later Kraftwerk. Probably because of the rhythm box, which is quite central in the mix. It has always reminded me of parts of 'Autobahn' and 'Airwaves'. This track is also the first to have Kraftwerk singing, with choral 'aaaahhhhs' flitting in and out. Synthesizer, drums, glockenspiel(?) add to the barrage of sound. Ananas Symphonie The longest track on the LP, clocking in at just under fourteen minutes. There are distinct sections to this song. For me, the first minute or so is the most interesting. If the rest of the song had continued in this vein it would have been quite something. After a flurry of initial sounds, things start to move when a high altitude synth and plucked guitar are joined by an electronic rhythm which fades in. This sounds pretty impressive, for the time, and is augmented by the first airing of the electronic voice that later records would improve upon and utilize to such great effect. It can be heard quite clearly here, reciting 'An-an-as Sym-phon-eeeeeeeee' three times! Unfortunately, this little section hardly lasts any time and soon fades out, followed by a section that uses a heavily phased sound (guitar, I presume) on one side of the mix and synthesizer on the other. Then follows a section of white noise in the classic 'lets- pretend-its-ocean-waves' mode. The later section sees a return for the 'cocktail music' rhythm box, slower this time and joined by lush synthesizer tones and more hawaian/steel guitar. Though melodic, the tune doesn't really go far, content to wander off in its tropical feel. This track has the air of unfulfilled promise about it. The electronic voice, something of a first, no sooner appears than it disappears - sadly under-employed. The Releases The original German release of the album, Philips 6305 197, remains the most desirable edition to have. The original copies came complete with an additional 'Musicomix'; a large fold-out colour poster. This contains various humorous drawings by Emil Schult and also Florian Schneider. (It is also the first piece of Kraftwerk 'produkt' that makes mention of Kling Klang Verlag, their company). In addition, the German sleeve is different to the UK design. The German edition features a portrait photo of Ralf and Florian on the front, whereas the UK edition, Vertigo 6360 616, features a simplistic circuit-board design instead. The back of the sleeve remains almost identical though, featuring the colourful pic of Ralf and Florian, seated at their instruments in (presumably?) an early incanation of Kling Klang studio. Amusingly, there is some kind of message, in German, scratched into the 'run-off' groove of the record itself which makes some kind of similarity between Kraftwerk and Status Quo of all bands! (Perhaps nothing more alarming than the simple fact that both acts were signed to Vertigo records!) There are also promo copies of the German edition in circulation and these can be distinguished easily by the white coloured 'Musterplatte' labels. In fact, most other countries chose to use the German sleeve design on which to base their own. The UK edition and the weird Italian compilation seem to be the only home for the circuit board design. Another interesting edition of the album is the Japanese edition. This does not feature the picture on the rear of the sleeve, of the band, that the majority of other editions have. It does however contain an interesting biography on the band, printed in both Japanese and English. The American edition, Vertigo VEL-2006, was not in fact released until 1975, and differs from most others in that it contains English translations of the song titles on the back cover too. Sleeve design is otherwise like the German edition. Interestingly, there was a sticker attached to the shrink-wrap which stated 'contains the hit 'Kristallo' '. Whether this was issued as a single in the US is a mystery. I, nor anyone I have asked, has ever heard of it as a single. Perhaps some kind of promo-only release? Some copies of the album have the title misprinted on the label as 'Kraf And Florian' ! (Further info on the US release in Aktivitaet 4's 'Collectors Corner - USA' article) . Also issued on cassette (VCR-4-2006) and even 8-track cartridge! (VC-8-2006) The Canadian issue again uses the portrait photo on the front, though the picture on the back is printed in black and white. There is also a French release, Philips 9118 004, though I have no other details than the cat. no. The Spanish release of the album, Philips 63 05 197, did not appear until 1978, perhaps as part of a 'Pop Legends' series, as it has such a logo printed on the rear of the sleeve. This was one of the countries that also benefited from a cassette release of the album, Philips 71 05 147. The Dutch issue of the album, Philips, 6435 117, was also part of a 'Pop Legends' series, though when it first appeared I have no idea. I do not know if the full version of the album was ever issued in Italy, but they were 'treated' to a compilation album that squeezed all the tracks from both the 'Kraftwerk 1' and 'Ralf and Florian' albums onto one single LP! (Fontana, 9286 875) Three of the tracks are unedited, (Elektrisches Roulette, Tongebirge and Heimatklange), while the other tracks are all edited. In particular; 'Ananas Symphonie', from 13'55" to a mere 6'45"; 'Kristallo', from 6'34" to 1'35". The sleeve design for this compilation uses elements of the UK sleeve design, with the simplistic circuit board design employed once more, in a deep pink colour this time. Further details on this LP are included in Aktivitaet 2's 'Compilation and On and On...' article. Closed Circuit? 20 years on, the bands attitudes toward the LP are unclear. It is known that Mute records approached the band in 1992 with the idea of issuing the bands early material on CD format on their 'Grey Area' sub-label, but the opportunity was passed by. Will it ever be officially re-issued? With any other band it would only be a matter of time, but Kraftwerk are not bound by the rules of others, so don't get your hopes up. Kraftwerk appear to own the rights to the material, so, ultimately, it is their own decision whether or not it is re-issued in any form at all. If you want to know, you'll have to ask . . . Ralf and Florian! - - END -- - - POSTSCRIPT -- There have now of course been two different unofficial CD releases of this album. The better quality of the two is the one on the Germanofon label. Trying to get official confirmation that these CD's are in fact bootleg's has proved unsuccessful, with EMI in the UK remaining silent thus far. That the Germanofon records information sheet listing all their 'official' CD re-issues also lists a large number of *definite* live bootleg CD's on its reverse side tells us a lot, I feel. IAC, April '96. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 28 Apr 96 16:24:05 EDT Subject: Prophet V Really-From: Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@CompuServe.COM> >Yamaha, who bought Sequential, repackaged a variation on this concept in the >TG55 and SY22. Someof the technology also went to Korg, who Yamaha owns >an interest in, for their Wavestation series. Just to be pedantic, it was a TG33 not a TG55. The later was a straight sample+synthesis synth and a good one at that with an excellent filter if anyone is interested. Later on, Tom ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 28 Apr 96 16:24:02 EDT Subject: RE: Tchernobyl! Really-From: Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@CompuServe.COM> Brian, >i'm glad you're confident of this. I know that in the Soviet Union you guys >used to believe all the rubbish which you were fed but PLEASE remember that >even in the UK we are still feeling the effects of 'your' disaster 10 years >on. Caesium has entered the soil in parts of Wales and sheep farmed on these >lands are too contaminated for human consumption. Remember that your >communist system was to the detriment of the free world as well as the >Soviet Union. I am appalled at this kind of unintelligent response which smacks of nationalism. Firstly, >I know that in the Soviet Union you guys used to believe all the rubbish you were fed...<. Are you sure or do you believe all the rubbish that the west was fed during the cold war? Unquestionably, Lenin, Stalin and the system that existed created untold amounts of suffering and ultimately many deaths, but you are preaching as if it was Timour's own fault in a patronising tone. Surely, the next generation cannot be responsible for what took place before their time? Secondly, what about Sellafield as Kraftwerk make an example of in the mix version of Radioactivity. Whose fault was that there was an accident? The Russians? I think not... Finally, your last statement >Remember that your communist system was to the detriment of the free world as well as the Soviet Union.< Do you think that we British as a nation are free from creating detriment to the free world...think about the British Empire; the destruction of unique cultures in Africa (Nigeria being the most shocking example), the exploitation of India, and other countless examples. Look futher back into history and think about the parallels between the feudal system and the exploitation of the workers and peasants in Soviet Russia. Are any nations blameless? Maybe what you wrote was thoughtless and written in a hasty moment, but think before you commit keyboard to e-mail. There have been two incidents of 'expulsion' in the mailing list, so I hope this doesn't qualify in the same way as the abuse from the AOLer, I just felt Brian Gaze had made some remarks which needed serious criticism. Tom ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #544 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #545 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 29 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 545 Re: Morphing, etc. FS: German 'Radioaktivitaet' & 'Lifestyle' Re: Aktivitaet 5 - 'It was 20 years ago today...' Re: I have the right to say Radio 1 documentary radioactivity more musicians KW on the Simpsons?? The Telephone Call video Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Re: KW on the Simpsons?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 21:42:01 +0200 Subject: Re: Morphing, etc. Really-From: Paulo Mouat > Just wanted to correct some inaccurate info here. The Sequential > Circuits Prophet VS's Vector Synthesis is as much Morphing as a an > audio crossfade (a quadraphonic one to be percise) is. In a nutshell > it had four digital ocillators that played back selectable ROM looped > waves. A joystick allowed the player to mix the 4 waves in real time > in a sort of x-y axis. All correct with some minor complexities more. Audio crossfade is functionally equivalent to morphing in the amplitude axis. If you imagine two waves with, say, three partials each, coincidental or not in both, any algorithm that morphs their amplitudes will be performing a xfade. > P.S. Yamaha, who bought Sequential, repackaged a variation on this > concept in the TG55 and SY22. Some of the technology also went to > Korg, who Yamaha owns an interest in, for their Wavestation series. The complete story is available on some mailings from the three guys that invented and developed vector synthesis and the VS. If you're interested, I can tell you where to get it--Yamaha did buy Sequential, but dropped it, and then Korg bought it. > I'm sure some accademic/experimental music of the 80s used non-real > time morphing using additive re-synthesis. For whatever it's worth the > Crumar GDS/Synergy/Mulogix Slave 32 could do all sorts of > interpolations using digital additive and a varriant of FM back in the > 80s. On the other hand only a handfull of musicians had the tools to > program them, and even fewer really knew how (i.e. Wendy Carlos, > Stoney Stockwell) besides it having no re-synthesis tools. Once again, I'm not talking of synthesizers, which only very few models cover this or that functionality, especially if it is way out of quick results. Also, the 'serious' electronic music I referred is by no means the one such people as Wendy Carlos and the likes produce, which remain in the realm of curiosity or reinterpretation. I am referring to 'genuine' ;-) composers and their academic offspring, who really innovate and create new ways of generating timbres--and that is not only since the 80s, but rather since the 50s. > You could debate that the E-mu Morpheus which morphs via a complex > digital filter is even actual morphing. (It probably would win it's > case though). The new Technics keyboard has something debatably > morph-like implemented also. The point with all this was to say that morphing, be it this or that way, is not 'a new thing' and KW would not be boldly going where no man has gone before. Cheers! - -- ********************************* Paulo Mouat, mouat@telepac.pt ********************************* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 23:09:40 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: FS: German 'Radioaktivitaet' & 'Lifestyle' Really-From: mh@euronet.nl (Marco Hendrikse) Greetings! I have for sale the following two CD5's: Kraftwerk: CD5: 1991 GE (Electrola; 1C 560-2 04516 2) 4:08 Radioaktivitaet (francois kevorkian remix) 7:26 Radioactivity (francois kevorkian remix) 7:23 Radioactivity (william orbit remix) I won't accept any offers under $20 for this one... Elektric Music: CD5: 1993 GE (SPV Records 055-93853) 3:39 Lifestyle (radio-style) 6:00 Lifestyle (club-style) 3:32 Lifestyle (phoneme-style) 4:46 Lifestyle (album-style) 7:30 Lifestyle (edit-style) I won't accept any offers under $10 for this one... If I don't get any new bids in 3 days, the highest bidder at that time gets it. Thanks for looking, - Marco - + ----> T H E S Y N T H P O P N E T W O R K <---- + | | | North-American Division - http://nesc.me.utexas.edu/~sball/synthpop.html | | European Division - http://www.euronet.nl/users/mh/synthpop.html | | | + --- HomePages#MailingLists#Discographies#Concerts#Biographies#Labels --- + ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 17:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Aktivitaet 5 - 'It was 20 years ago today...' Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu Ian, Nice job on the 'Ralf & Florian' article. This is one of my all-time favorite albums, not to mention one of my favorite KW albums as well. I'm always fascinated by hearing other people's opinions of much of this earlier, more experimental material. I commend you for drawing attention to the "originality and progressiveness" of the track "Kristallo". One thing you didn't mention though is that this track also features backwards tape segments at the end of it, something which had only really been experimented with by The Beatles and Jimi Hendrix on official releases prior to KW back in 1967 ('Magical Mystery Tour', 'Are You Experienced', etc.). Nice article all around. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "I don't want to be...your sex object..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 17:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: I have the right to say Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu At 02:02 PM 4/28/96 -0500, Brendan Heading wrote: >Folks, when people send in shit like this, it gets us nowhere when we start >flaming the LIST. If we condemn things like this on the LIST, we're also >flaming everyone else who subs to the list!!! Just send your replies to the >guy who wrote it for Pete's sake! We all know what a twat he is. > >TD write great music, but so do Kraftwerk. There is no sense of better or >worse. I believe that the reason for condemning KFK's brand of nonsense on the list had nothing to do with whether or not KW is better than Tangerine Dream or vice versa. KFK openly admitted to using the mailing list as a vehicle for flaming and disruption and agitation of the list members, in addition to stating that "Kraftwerk sucks". It is clear to see why this sort of hogwash should be condemned from the list. People like this need not be tolerated by ignoring their tactics, but rather uprooted. I believe that the productivity and benefit of the list and its members should be considered the priority when dealing with these situations, and I also believe that this situations was dealt with justly and fairly. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "I'd like to take her home, that's understood..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 16:22:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Radio 1 documentary Really-From: Brendan Heading Right, folks... The list below is of people who want a copy of the KW radio1 documentary.... Phil Lefkowitz Mattias Andersson Fred Becker (mach25) NThings Matthew Bruns If you're not on this list (but you want to be!!!) EMail me for details. If you have emailed me already but aren't on this list then you'll need to email me back again - your mailing has been lost. OK ? |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |***** Amiga makes your fantasies become reality!! ******| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 17:35:40 -0500 Subject: radioactivity Really-From: Jason Musser Where's Sellafield? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 17:44:23 -0500 Subject: more musicians Really-From: Jason Musser I agree with Brendan that R&F might benefit from recruiting some collaborators. It's almost always the case that when a good band breaks up that the subsequent solo careers prove that the band was more than the sum of its parts. It might be interesting if R&F went the way of Eno, and turned to producing other artists' albums. Or if they gathered together musicians to work for them after the fashion of Frank Zappa, though this would make for a more tumultuous lifestyle than they seem accustomed to at present. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 20:38:12 -0400 Subject: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: Curryous@aol.com I was just watching the Simpsons tonight and (I think) I heard a German character say, "I must get back to Stuttgart to see Kraftwerk".Actually, I'm fairly certain he said it. As he took off in his car ( a Mercedes, of course) there was some very Kraftwerkesque music coming from his radio (i.e. vocoder, etc). Did anyone else see/hear this? Russ Curry ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 21:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The Telephone Call video Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu Fellow Kraftwerkians, I have a question regarding the content of KW's video for "The Telephone Call". The first half of the video is pretty straightforward featuring the four members of the band, dressed in black, sitting in chairs, and holding a telephone receiver in their gloved hands as if to listen attentively to what the person on the other end of the connection is saying. This is all well and good, but then all of a sudden the telephones are replaced in the second half of the video by what appears to be a desk-top microphone. I have had a great deal of experience in the past with operating CB radio equipment, and the microphone in the video looks exactly like an Astatic Silver Eagle desk-top base station power mike, commonly referred to as a "lollipop" because of its shape. So, question #1: Is this actually the type of microphone being used here, and regardless of whether it is or not, why a broadcasting microphone for a 2-way radio in place of a telephone? My second question refers to the shot of Ralf standing over a tape machine that appears to be recording something onto a reel of tape. Ralf is seen turning a potentiometer in this scene and listening to something over headphones, I believe. The whole scene is reminiscent of a 30's crime drama with surveillence equipment. Does anyone know the significance or meaning of these scenes with regards to the song? Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "You are so close, but far away..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 21:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: yankel On Sun, 28 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > I was just watching the Simpsons tonight and (I think) I heard a German > character say, "I must get back to Stuttgart to see Kraftwerk".Actually, I'm > fairly certain he said it. As he took off in his car ( a Mercedes, of course) > there was some very Kraftwerkesque music coming from his radio (i.e. vocoder, > etc). Did anyone else see/hear this? > > Russ Curry Yeah, this blew me away, especially since I've been working on a paper about Kraftwerk for the past few days. I thought I was a) going nuts or b) a little too into my work. Jon <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> THE OMEN It's really opinionated. It's got style. It's Hampshire College's school newspaper. It's at http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~omen/index.html <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 22:59:27 -0400 Subject: Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com I saw the Simpson Kraftwerk episode - in fact that is why i logged on!!!! I fell apart on the floor when he said it - finally after all these months, 1996 is worth living the rest of!!!!!:-) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 96 23:41:32 EDT Subject: Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: mikey@niktow.canisius.edu (Mike Szymendera) yes!!!!! it was GREAT ! Think of all the poor un-informed slobs that didn't get the reference :-) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #545 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #546 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 29 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 546 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 00:24:59 -0700 Subject: Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: l.meyer@ix.netcom.com (L. Meyer ) >I was just watching the Simpsons tonight and (I think) I heard a >German character say, "I must get back to Stuttgart to see >Kraftwerk".Actually, I'm fairly certain he said it. As he took off in >his car ( a Mercedes, of course) there was some very Kraftwerkesque >music coming from his radio (i.e. vocoder, etc). Did anyone else >see/hear this? >Russ Curry Yeah, I saw that too! One more thing that makes the Simpsons the coolest thing on TV these days. ;-) |_ |\/| --- L.Meyer@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 29 Apr 96 04:11:56 EDT Subject: Cut off mailings... Really-From: Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@CompuServe.COM> I just wanted to mention that the mailing number 544 got cut off...too long or something. It was butchered just after the article on Ralf and Florian, and I just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed loads of cool stuff, as after reading 545 there are some new threads. Cheers, Tom ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 96 10:49:57 EDT Subject: TORTOISE SALAD Vs CORPORATE CONFUSION Really-From: Nicholas Patrick Carlisle Thistlethwaite, Thanks for putting me right on Tortoise re. their rhythms- the wording of my last posting was quite careless. And perhaps 'high' 'NRG' was TOO damning a phrase to use... But yes, Tortoise remind me of the spirit Ralf & Florian must have had back in the early days of the first albums (including Tonefloat), when they were presumably so excited by the experiments they were carrying out that records appeared quite frequently, each building on the previous. This kind of enthusiasm may sometimes turn to 'carelessness' - but this can be an interesting ingredient to a record (e.g. the prolific works of people like Peter Hammill or Stereolab)- just adding to the excitement of the whole thing. But I think Kraftwerk lost this naive enthusiasm years ago, it being replaced with the corporate perfectionism they pride themselves in. It's this that's holding them up- and the stories I hear from popstars who actually GIVE interviews, and who take similarily mammoth lengths of time to make a record (Bryan Ferry, Kate Bush etc.), tell of how the process of listening over and over to the same music, getting dissatisfied and restarting again and again, can become so frustrating and confusing that the person making the record ends up not knowing whether they like the results or not. Kraftwerk say they'll release the new record when it's ready- but if you ask me, the longer they dither with it the less the chance of them ever knowing whether it's ready or not. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:23:02 +0100 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #540 Really-From: DHOLTON@derwent.co.uk This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the remainder, you will need to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. - --IMA.Boundary.002877038 Content-Type: text/basic; name="note.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: MS-DOS text file kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 25 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 540 From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:13:40 GMT Subject: I have the right to say Really-From: "KANG K.F. B.ENG.ELECT." Dear lads, You guys go on a stuff about Kraftwerk, but I think Tangerine Dream is by far the best synthesizer band. I used to like KW ( autobahn is the best one ) but it takes them ages to release an album. TD has got dozens of album released. Sorry lads, but Kraftwerk is crap, and only pratts listen to crappy music. So long, dude... From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: I have the right to say Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu At 12:13 PM 4/25/96 +0000, KANG K.F. wrote: >Dear lads, > >You guys go on a stuff about Kraftwerk, but I think Tangerine Dream >is by far the best synthesizer band. I used to like KW ( autobahn is >the best one ) but it takes them ages to release an album. TD has got >dozens of album released. Sorry lads, but Kraftwerk is crap, and only >pratts listen to crappy music. So long, dude... Look here laddy, If you honestly feel that "Kraftwerk is crap", your best bet would be to get yourself the hell off this list. You are more than entitled to your opinions, however shoddy they might happen to be, and of course I realize that you are not even worth responding to. However, I'm feeling in particularly high spirits today, so I thought I'd take the time. If you don't like KW, it doesn't take too much common sense to know enough not to join a KW mailing list and post to it. Obviously this requires more common sense than you have. If the way you critique a band's quality is based on the number of albums they release, then you are indeed a "pratt" of a most unworthy breed. With that kind of logic I suppose you are also a huge Barry Manilow fan as well. Kraftwerk have already proven themselves to me as a unique and revolutionary force in the world of music and sound alike. What have you proven yourself to be? An arse. To my Kraftwerk bretheren on the list, disregard this poor sod's paltry attempt at stirring things up. "Stupidity is a fatal disease, but ignorance can be cured." - Scott M. Barnhill Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "He is a showroom *dummy*!" ;o) From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:03:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: I have the right to [say] talk shit Really-From: David Davis > Dear lads, > > You guys go on a stuff about Kraftwerk, but I think Tangerine Dream > is by far the best synthesizer band. I used to like KW ( autobahn is > the best one ) but it takes them ages to release an album. TD has got > dozens of album released. Sorry lads, but Kraftwerk is crap, and only > pratts listen to crappy music. So long, dude... > well that guy was obviously just trying to wind us all up. But to answer his "point"... Edgar Frizzy (sic) and his croneys to me seem to have fallen into the opposite dilemma to Kraftwerk: highly prolific but of exceedingly low quality.I gave up listening to their new releases (of which there seem to be virtually one per WEEK these days!)years ago Increasingly the Tangs are putting out utter bland MOR/AOR muzak aural wallpaper, with dreadful bluesy guitar solos and appalling digital sounds. Albums such as PHAEDRA and RUBYCON are undoubtedly seminal classics of their type, but they were created 20 years ago by a different line up. Now only a very fat and sad Mr. Frizzy with his permanent bad hair days and has-been Dali anecdotes is still dribbling around under the Tangerine banner, producing a sorry shadow of his once majestic sound. Give it up , Eddie-baby! From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:03:32 +0200 Subject: Re: I have the right to say Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) I think there's no comparison possible for Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream. Yes, TaDream uses synthesizers as well, but their music is completly different! I like both very much.... TiM - - -- __ Timour JGENTI _____________ INSTITUT FRANCAIS DU PETROLE / DIMA gr.Image __ timour.jgenti@ifp.fr From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:25:47 -0400 Subject: Re: I have the right to say Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com Exactly. Tangerine Dream put an album out just to put one out - but if you'll notice - they use the same boring three note sequences and cliche filter sweeps on EVERY SINGLE ALBUM. they were decent in the beginning, but in NO WAY comparable to Kraftwerk during ANY of Kraftwerks "eras." From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:09:51 -0500 Subject: bootlegs and mixes Really-From: Jason Musser Phil, if you want to find bootlegs in the Chicago area, Vintage Vinyl in Evanston had KW 1 and 2 when I was last there a few weeks ago. Of course they were more expensive there than anywhere else I'd seen: $35 each. Regarding the Mix 2, I also would like them to just forget updating the old songs and move on to totally new material. They pretty much did them right the first time; I didn't get a real charge out of the updated versions. I realize that Ralf and Florian don't have as much interest in the music as in the sounds. Taken to the extreme, this would suggest that they simply keep re-recording the same album with different harware every couple of years, but even if these did sound different, how excited would we be about buying them? I mean, we'd do it--sure--but it wouldn't be very satisfying. Hell, if it's that much trouble for them to come up with new material to sequence and process and record, I'll write 'em some damn songs! Maybe they should just do "Kraftwerk Plays the Irving Berlin Songbook" or something. - - -Jason From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:16:33 +0000 Subject: Re: Ecstacy radioshow Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > Does anyone have any material from the radioshow Ecstasy? According > to their webpage at http://sunserver1.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de/~hauptn/ecshis.html > they seem to have had some really interesting interviews (like in > Feb 94: "In einem Exklusivinterview kommen erstmals Emil Schult und > Wolfgang Fluer von Jamo (beide ehemals Kraftwerk) zu Worte." > > I'd appreciate some more info on this one... They have an e-mail address (hautpn@uni-duesseldorf.de), and they have obviously the technology to make soundfiles available on the Internet, so maybe it's worth asking them... BTW: They have also a Kraftwerk page: http://sunserver1.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de/~hauptn/kraft.html Klaus Zaepke From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:14:52 +0000 Subject: Re: "Mix 2" rumour Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > I do find the rumours about a Mix-2 album quite disturbing, as it > would probably outrule the possibility of new material this year. Probably, but not necessarily. This person who claims to have spoken to Ralf Huetter says also that Kraftwerk would be working on two albums at the moment, a "Mix 2" and a new one... Klaus Zaepke From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:18:20 +0000 Subject: "America strikes back" Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" In Sounds, 17.05.1980 a record was advertised as: "AMERICA STRIKES BACK" an apocalyptic album which is yours for just 30p. This album contains tracks which will not be available in any other form and is exclusive to readers of Sounds. This compilation album featured the following artists: Sammy Hagar, Riot, April Wine, Mink de Ville, Moon Martin, Prism, Kraftwerk, Motels, Teaze, Face Dancer, Red Rider. Does anyone know more details about this album, especially the title of the Kraftwerk track and whether it is true that this track was never released anywhere else? Klaus Zaepke From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 18:56:42 GMT Subject: Re: to SCOTT have the right to say Really-From: "KANG K.F. B.ENG.ELECT." > From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) > To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:59:12 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: I have the right to say > Really-From: mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu > > > At 12:13 PM 4/25/96 +0000, KANG K.F. wrote: > > >Dear lads, > > > >You guys go on a stuff about Kraftwerk, but I think Tangerine Dream > >is by far the best synthesizer band. I used to like KW ( autobahn is > >the best one ) but it takes them ages to release an album. TD has got > >dozens of album released. Sorry lads, but Kraftwerk is crap, and only > >pratts listen to crappy music. So long, dude... > > > Look here laddy, > > If you honestly feel that "Kraftwerk is crap", your best bet would > be to get yourself the hell off this list. You are more than entitled to > your opinions, however shoddy they might happen to be, and of course I > realize that you are not even worth responding to. However, I'm feeling in > particularly high spirits today, so I thought I'd take the time. If you > don't like KW, it doesn't take too much common sense to know enough not to > join a KW mailing list and post to it. Obviously this requires more common > sense than you have. If the way you critique a band's quality is based on > the number of albums they release, then you are indeed a "pratt" of a most > unworthy breed. With that kind of logic I suppose you are also a huge Barry > Manilow fan as well. Kraftwerk have already proven themselves to me as a > unique and revolutionary force in the world of music and sound alike. What > have you proven yourself to be? An arse. > To my Kraftwerk bretheren on the list, disregard this poor sod's > paltry attempt at stirring things up. > > "Stupidity is a fatal disease, but ignorance can be cured." - Scott M. Barnhill > > Robotically Yours, > Scott M. Barnhill > mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu > "He is a showroom *dummy*!" ;o) > > My dear Scottie or whatever geezer you are, The sun is setting here in Leicester, and I had some jacket potatoes for dinner yesterday. Yes , I'm more than entitled to my opinions. And I don't know who the hell you think you are to tell people to leave this ML. Let me recall you the beginning of the "welcome to Kraftwerk" e-mail. It is said that , I quote " it is a forum for discussions about Kraftwerk and other related German Electronic artists" end of quote. I did as exactly mentionned, I talk about KW and other related German Synth band. Obviously you didn't seem to understand that, and as a matter of fact you don't seem to feel in your high spirit today. In fact you are everyday in your low spirit but were afraid to to admit it. You just couldn't bear that someone has got a different point of view. Let me tell you just one more thing: you are the poor depressed loopy I was waiting for, since my goal was to stirr things up in the KW mailing list. People who were clever enough didn't even attempt to read my message, nor to reply, and I appreciate that, because that was what I was expecting. ( by the way Timour, if you read this, I told you that a pratt would bite the bate, you owe me two Tadream CD now ). By advising people not to answer was a good job to do, since noone would do it, except YOU the chosen one! So if you can't share opinions, which is what this ML is supposed to be, what can I tell you, get lobotomized, who knows maybe it'll cure you. I think it's time to get off your tree, it's running out of leaves. "You think you can walk on water, but remember, shit floats." K F.K "L'enfer c'est les autres" J.P Sartre. Stratosfearlly yours, KFK From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:21:50 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: I have the right to say Really-From: Iggy Drougge On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: "KANG K.F. B.ENG.ELECT." > > Dear lads, > > You guys go on a stuff about Kraftwerk, but I think Tangerine Dream > is by far the best synthesizer band. I used to like KW ( autobahn is > the best one ) but it takes them ages to release an album. TD has got > dozens of album released. Sorry lads, but Kraftwerk is crap, and only > pratts listen to crappy music. So long, dude... I am actually relieved ot to be cikunted into the same fan group as this guy. Why did he go to the trouble of subscribing to a list only to insult its users? =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:56:38 +0100 Subject: Re: Imaginary 'The Mix 2' tracklist Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >> If they ever did release the 'Mix 2', I always >> imagined its track listing would look something like this: >> >> 1. The Model >> 2. Tour De France >> 3. Showroom Dummies >> 4. Neon Lights >> 5. Numbers >> 6. Hall Of Mirrors >> 7. Computerworld >> 8. The Telephone Call >> 9. Antenna >> 10. Europe Endless > If the Mix 2 does appear I for one will not be buying it. If after 6 years all they can produce is another 40 minutes of remixed nonsense they aren't worth following. From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:11:03 -0400 Subject: Re: I have the right to [say] talk shit Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Years ago I bought "Phaedra" based on hype, reviews etc. What a disappointment...couldn't even listen to it all the way through...as opposed to Kraftwerk, whose music seems to play continually through the jukebox of my mind! Especially when walking through the streets of Manhattan, for some reason.... As a musician myself, I certainly respect the rights of everyone to their musical opinions--lord knows some of the stuff I think is fantastic other people find to be utter crap--but to me, Tangerine Dream is not in the same league as Kraftwerk. Not even close. Then again, few musicians are.... From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:14:15 -0400 Subject: Re: bootlegs and mixes Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Now there's a thread! Kraftwerk does the music of... Sly And the Family Stone Merle Haggard The Carpenters Joni Mitchell James Brown (can you imagine?!) Henry Mancini Lightnin' Hopkins The Allman Brothers etc From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:18:56 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: to SCOTT have the right to say Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" Dave Datta allows me admin priviledges so I can derail problems like the ones KFK is attempting to cause, so I have taken the liberty of removing him from the list. If you send messages to the list he won't see them, so please keep any further correspondence on this issue to private email. - - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:26:00 +0100 Subject: Re: "Mix 2" rumour Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >In 1991 'THE MIX' was released, presenting a portion of the back >catalogue in a new way, presumably to bring the Kraftwerk >sound up to date for the 90's. I remember thinking at the time that >they had succeeded in this. But now it is rumoured that they are to >release a MIX 2 in '97- six years after the 'first half' of this >project. I would like to think that the Kraftwerk sound has moved on >further in those years- and therefore that the next album will sound >as radically different from the last as did, say, COMPUTERWELT >compared to AUTOBAHN. But then if the 2 mix albums DO sound this >different fom eachother Kraftwerk will have failed in the chance to >*coherently* update their history- perhaps by 1998 they will notice >that the first MIX material has, naturally enough, dated to some >extent, and they will decide to rework the material AGAIN! This is >why I think Ralph & Florian are wasting their time with this >material- it would be better if they just got on with what they set >out to do in the first place and excite us all by making an album of >NEW music. > A Mix 2 album would be a farce and would disappoint me for one. The Mix was bad enough. Why do these guys think we are bothered about having their early material updated. It should be left as it is. I think talking about updating their sound is utter nonsense anyway. If they are so keen to present material which is sounds up to date they should release a new album. Brian From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:37:45 +0100 Subject: Re: "Mix 2" rumour Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >Probably, but not necessarily. This person who claims to have spoken >to Ralf Huetter says also that Kraftwerk would be working on two albums >at the moment, a "Mix 2" and a new one... This sound like he's taking you for a ride. To suggest they are working on one album is a very big if. To claim its 2 albums is complete b*******. Brian From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:43:17 +0100 Subject: Re: interview+rumours Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) Thankyou for your interest in the 'Musik - Electronik it is' interview. Here is the rest. RS: Which is your most influential album? RH: During the late 70's and early 80's we made albums which were improving all the time. KW set the pace for electronic music and still influences today. EC from the mid 80's used the evolving technology, but by this time others had also realised the potential of the technology. WE had been innovative again but lots of others were also making electronic music. RS: It is often said that music or anything which relies on technology dates the fastest. For example, a chess board may be from any era, whilst a 'Speak and Spell' machine is from the early 80's. Does your music suffer in this way? RH: Electronic music has been a voyage of discovery. Yes early electronic music was crude. Now we are at the point where electronic music can be indistinguishable from real instruments. We are at the point where we can do what we want. We have ideas about how to exploit this technology but it is bigger than us alone. We are handing a tool to future generations to do as they wish. Our new album will point the way. RS: So the new album will be a radical departure from your earlier groundbreaking work? RH: As I said the voyage is complete. Technology now lets any sound or texture that can be imagined to be created. Our imagination has not desserted us yet........we think. RS: Whats your view on the 'pop scene' today? RH: It gets better all the time. There never was a 'golden era'. Today diversity abounds. Technology exploited by producers can produce a heavy metal record or a techno record or even a classical piece. The golden era is only just beginning. By exploiting the technology along the way I think (hope.....RH laughs) we opened the gates. We have helped bring about the golden era. PS: Apologies for the delay and the typing errors. >Really-From: Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@CompuServe.COM> > > >Brian, > >Could you e-mail me the remainder of the interview. Cheers. >Regards the myth that KW are going to play a festival called Tribal Gathering, >near Oxford, England, I regret to inform everyone that this was a very slight >possibility at one point and then it was revealed that KW would not be playing. > >Tom > > End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #540 ******************************* - --IMA.Boundary.002877038 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >In Sounds, 17.05.1980 a record was advertised as: > "AMERICA STRIKES BACK" >This compilation album featured the following artists: > Sammy Hagar, Riot, April Wine, Mink de Ville, Moon Martin, > Prism, Kraftwerk, Motels, Teaze, Face Dancer, Red Rider. >Does anyone know more details about this album, especially the title >f the Kraftwerk track and whether it is true that this track was >ne>ver released anywhere else? > Klaus Zaepke Who said it had KW on it???Apart from not being a heavy rock band they're not American.I bought the album and surprisingly the best track was 'Bad case of lovin' you' by Moon Martin.No KW weren't on it!! Dave Holton - --IMA.Boundary.002877038-- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 08:35:46 -0400 Subject: RE: Radio-Activity Cleopatra versions Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." > I got that one in New York recently. It's a Canadian release I believe and > when you open the front of their equipment (backstage?) in whitish jumpsuits > looking down at the camera. The image is overexposed and the text of the > album info is written over the top of the picture. It's a cool picture > though. >That photograph is actually Kraftwerk pictured when visiting a nuclear power station in Holland. If you see the whole photo (the one used on this CD is cropped), they're even wearing the required footwear! Ian Calder Do you know where I can find that photo? It's a really good one. Lon ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 08:53:33 -0400 Subject: RE: RYTHM SALAD: THE WAY FORWARD Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >>>Really-From: Nicholas Patrick Carlisle >>>I would like to think that Ralph & Florian would have by this time >rethought how to use rhythm- what I think has dated most about the >Mix is both the bass drum/snare sound, and the actual rhythms they >are beating. Have Kraftwerk been listening to jungle I wonder? Or >bands like Tortoise who have brought a bit of renewed imagination >back to rhythm programming? I think I'd be quite bored and >disappointed if the new Kraftwerk album turned out to sound like yet >another 'high' 'NRG' dance album- it would sound tacky and old (rather >>like the Pet Shop Boys abismal remix of Bowie's Hallo Spaceboy). >>No fear of that happening. KW has always done fun and interesting things >with beats that are quite original. I don't think KW will ever sound like >anyone else. >Lon >Obviously you haven't listened to the Mix then. I've been listening to 'The Mix' since it was released; and I mean 'listening' to it. I stand firm on 'The Mix' as being my case in point. Just because it's fun to listen to and has a beat you can dance to doesn't necessarily make it a 'high NRG dance album'. At least KW has been consistently the exception to the rule. Lon ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: gewither@mailbox.syr.edu (gewither) >-- Really-From: l.meyer@ix.netcom.com (L. Meyer ) >>I was just watching the Simpsons tonight and (I think) I heard a >>German character say, "I must get back to Stuttgart to see >>Kraftwerk".Actually, I'm fairly certain he said it. As he took off in >>his car ( a Mercedes, of course) there was some very Kraftwerkesque >>music coming from his radio (i.e. vocoder, etc). Did anyone else >>see/hear this? >>Russ Curry > Yeah, I saw that too! One more thing that makes the Simpsons the >coolest thing on TV these days. ;-) I heard it too. The first thing I thought about was the reaction it would cause here on the list. Glad to see I waasn't wrong. :) Jerry Withers Only Amiga //// A2000/950HD 030/882/17Mb 50Mhz //// makes A2386 & VGA & 150MB HD gewither@.mailbox.syr.edu \\\\//// it A2230 GVP Spectrum 28/24 \\\///possible! AmigaD0S 3.1 CD-ROM ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 11:01:44 +0100 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #541 Really-From: DHOLTON@derwent.co.uk The ep by We are Komputer which was discussed on this group failed to materialise as cdmute 175.Any news????? Dave H ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #546 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #547 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 30 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 547 Here we go again... Re: Aktivitaet 5 - 'It was 20 years ago today...' me better than KW Re: radioactivity Re: The 96 Kraftwerk Poll!!!! Re: RYTHM SALAD: THE WAY FORWARD Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Re: me better than KW Re: Komputer EP Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Re: "America Strikes Back" Re: KW on the Simpsons?? RE: RYTHM SALAD: THE WAY FORWARD Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Re: KW on the Simpsons?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 15:25:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: Here we go again... Really-From: Kevin Busby > Really-From: Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@CompuServe.COM>:- > Maybe what you wrote was thoughtless and written in a hasty moment, but think > before you commit keyboard to e-mail. > > There have been two incidents of 'expulsion' in the mailing list, so I hope this > doesn't qualify in the same way as the abuse from the AOLer, I just felt Brian > Gaze had made some remarks which needed serious criticism. Brian would appear to be flame-baiting again. I presume he gets some sort of enjoyment from the fusses he creates. Kevin ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:38:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Aktivitaet 5 - 'It was 20 years ago today...' Really-From: David Davis more thoughts on Ralph and Florian... Personally, I count Elektriches Roulette as one of my favourite Kraftwerk tracks ever! one of the first they committed to vinyl. The whole build up at the start of the track is brilliant....there's a lovely bit when the electric piano hammers out a little "riff" of 2 diiferent semitones, but with the "wrong" bass note....then Ralph's left hand changes to the "correct" bass note, making a sus4/major thing (not very well put, but I'm sure you'll know the bit I mean).... It has to be said though, the track is a bit scrappy,the different sections career over each other in a way quite unlike later polished stuff I think Kristallo's acid bass line is even more remarkable for the fact that not even Kraftwerk themselves recorded anything like it again, never mind that it took other people about 15 years to catch up. About the backward tapes though....ever heard of Stockhausen?Or Musique Concret?I don't really see how a piece of music SOUNDS any better or is more pleasureable to listen to in 1996, just because in it's day it was the first to use a certain technique anyway.It can be interesting to trace ideas, but ultimately originality is no guarentee of aesthetic value , surely! Don't be so hard on Ananas Symphonie....you just have to RELAX when you listen to it, then its meandering is quite sublime! One final odd influence .... Emil Schult's R&F comic: Has anyone else noticed the similarity between these cartoons and British comedians Reeves & Mortimer's MAN WITH THE STICK, who used to surreally "investigate things" and bring back his finding's drawn as ReMARKABLY SIMILAR STYLE cartoons on his helmet (ahem) [it was a big cardboard one]????? Does anyone else know WHAT I'm talking about???? Before you shout COMPLETE COINCIDENCE, take note that Reeves& Mortimer's 1991 book included a review of Autobahn..... yours pondering.... david.davis ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:01:23 GMT Subject: me better than KW Really-From: "BINGHAM S.D. B.ENG. ELECT." Hi robots! My name is Simon and i hate KW. I own a Casio CT-100 ( Santa Claus brought it for me when I was 10 years old) and the Cakewalk Apprentice sequencer software; from my experience I can do things better than KW. They might use a AKAI S-1000 (or whatever) to sample their sounds, but I all I need is fart in the micro input of my Adlib 8-bit soudblaster compatible soundcard to produce a sample that would sound to you, piece of junks robots, as the ultimate synth sounds created by KW. It takes me 5 minutes to make a hit, using the arrange option of my Cakewalk soft and all I need is to add some bullshit lyrics like 'femme anaesthetic', 'Nous sommes les crash test dummies', 'she's a model and all she needs, to look good, is to put her legs behind her ears', 50 times 'MusicNON-STOP', 'Space Crap' 'leon flight, shimmering leon flight and at the fall of night the city is made of custard cream' 'I like to chat with some drag queen on the TELEPHONE line.' and also instead of a Geiger Counter beat, the sound of a flush recorded in Tchernobyl. these were the ingredients to produce an KW hoax presented to you by Simon TangerineDreamely, yours... PS: Scott Barhill, do you still think you're R2-D2? PS 2: I would like to greet Brian from Central London. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 19:01:42 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: radioactivity Really-From: Iggy Drougge On Sun, 28 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Jason Musser > > Where's Sellafield? A UK nuclaer reprocessing plant, Kraftwerk appeared on a Greenpeace concert there, I saw the video again today, it was cool in Radioactivity there. =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 13:43:24 -0400 Subject: Re: The 96 Kraftwerk Poll!!!! Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com In response to your questions: 1. Computerwelt 2. Computer Liebe 3. Roy Orbison 4. none 5. male 6. 40 7. U.S. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 13:48:24 -0400 Subject: Re: RYTHM SALAD: THE WAY FORWARD Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I agree! I can understand why prople don't like The Mix, but I for one find it terrific. It seems to me to be Kraftwerk's way of saying, "see, we can keep up with the electronic musical tide, and do the electro-techno-dance thing--better than all the rest of you!" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 13:52:56 -0400 Subject: Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Could someone tell me what episode it was so I can try to see it in reruns? I think I would have passed out on the spot had I seen it unprepared! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 14:19:10 -0400 Subject: Re: me better than KW Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com KFK is back!!!! oh joy. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 29 Apr 96 14:39:23 EDT Subject: Re: Komputer EP Really-From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> >ep by We are Komputer which was discussed on this group failed to >materialise as cdmute 175.Any news????? Yeah, weird one, this. I've had a copy now for nearly 2 months - presumably it's some sort of promo. All I can say is that it definitely does exist, and it *is* CDMute175. There doesn't seem to be any mention of it in the current Mute Website catalogue though. If anyones's really interested then mail me directly and I can probably sort out a tape - unless I get inundated! As I said before, it's pretty good fun - a fairly convincing pastiche of bits of 'The Man Machine' and 'Computer World' (even down to the reverberation and delay settings used) albeit over a slightly more contemporary rhythmic base. STAGGMAN 101706.1667@compuserve.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 14:50:19 -0400 Subject: Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: Curryous@aol.com It aired yesterday. It is the episode where Bart's Grandfather and Montgomery Burns are the last surviving members of the Hellfish and are battling over some paintings their army unit stole from a Nazi villa in WW II (Hence the German connection). The KW fan was a grandson of one of the Nazi's Russ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:57:34 +0200 (DFT) Subject: Re: "America Strikes Back" Really-From: Klaus Zaepke > > In Sounds, 17.05.1980 a record was advertised as: > > "AMERICA STRIKES BACK" > > This compilation album featured the following artists: > > Sammy Hagar, Riot, April Wine, Mink de Ville, Moon > > Martin, Prism, Kraftwerk, Motels, Teaze, Face Dancer, Red Rider. > > Who said it had KW on it???Apart from not being a heavy rock band > they're not American.I bought the album and surprisingly the best track was > 'Bad case of lovin' you' by Moon Martin.No KW weren't on it!! Thanks for the information! This record was advertised in the SOUNDS magazine, with the above list of artists. It was offered for the symbolic price of 60 p. as some kind of promotional gimmick. The advert stated that the album would not be available in normal shops, only by mailorder directly from SOUNDS or in London from HMV. So this is also wrong? Strange... Or maybe we're talking about different records? Does your album feature all the other artists (except Kraftwerk) listed in the advert? Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:58:36 +0200 (DFT) Subject: Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: Klaus Zaepke > I was just watching the Simpsons tonight and (I think) I heard a > German character say, "I must get back to Stuttgart to see Kraftwerk". > Actually, I'm fairly certain he said it. As he took off in his car ( a > Mercedes, of course) there was some very Kraftwerkesque music coming > from his radio (i.e. vocoder, etc). Was this the episode titled "Burns Verkaufen der Kraftwerk"? Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 14:20:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: RE: RYTHM SALAD: THE WAY FORWARD Really-From: Brendan Heading >>Obviously you haven't listened to the Mix then. > I am aware that there are many people on this list that do not like >'The Mix' because they consider it too "normal" sounding and too similar to >typical modern dance music, but I must disagree. The Guiness book that lists all the artists and albums says that the Mix was introduced to attract the attention of the then burgeoning techno/dance market. This is the opinion of the author but I think it carries _some_ truth. There can be no doubt, however small, that the album was a direct attempt to turn KW classics into "proper" techno. > Granted, the percussion >and beats used are certainly a bold step for Kraftwerk to have taken, seeing >how they never used such dancey beats even on their most dancey songs prior >to the 'The Mix'. What I always liked was the way that KW would use a sound out of the synthesiser as percussion; for example, "The Robots" on the Man Machine. Not many other artists did this, and it was kool! > Putting the beats aside however, I feel that the sound >patches, timbres, and actual tones of the melodies themselves are clearly >and exclusively that of the trademarked 'Kraftwerk sound'. They are unmistakeably KW, but it is hard to say if it is Ralf + Florian doing the remixes or if it is some techno headbanger. I mean, it sounds just like it's been remixed by a techno artist who is a KW fan. Some of the remixes I find quite purile. > The minimalist >melody lines of "Pocket Calculator", "Computer Love", etc. are performed on >'The Mix' with striking resolution which I feel is automatically >attributable to and recognizable as KW. See above. I quite like the version of Computer Love, I must say. I would even say that it's better than the original, which I find just a tad boring. > I for one did not dislike the use of modern dance percussion and >beats at all. I thought it was well-defined musical statement for KW which >was able to say in a way, "You see, we can do everything that the modern >dance bands can do today, and *still* maintain that one and only KW sound." >While I have major difficulty rating KW albums as better than each other, I >have to say that 'The Mix' is right up there on my list of favorites. There's not anything *wrong* with the Mix as a record - I listen to it quite often - but I like proper Kraftwerk music much better. The point is that it demonstrates an attempt to mimic the modern day rave culture. It sounds like a typical butchering of classic tracks, in most cases. Maybe this is the way Kraftwerk should go naturally ? I don't know. I'm just hurt by the way that Kraftwerk are now mimicking their own copycats. >"I'm the operator with my pocket calculator..." "By pressing down the special key it plays a little melody!" |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| -- I didn't want to make music. I didn't want to be a robot, even, I didn't want to be with the boys after all those years..." --Wolfgang Fleur, leaving Kraftwerk in 1990. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:05:27 -0400 Subject: Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: Curryous@aol.com I didn't see the title but I doubt it. It didn't have anything to do with the "Kraftwerk" that Burns operates. Russ Curry ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 21:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" > yes!!!!! it was GREAT ! Think of all the poor un-informed slobs that > didn't get the reference :-) I bet most of the people on this list who got the Kraftwerk "reference" have no clue what movie that entire episode was based on, so be careful throwing around those "uninformed slobs" accusations! :-) - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 22:11:56 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: Ra On Sun, 28 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > I was just watching the Simpsons tonight and (I think) I heard a German > character say, "I must get back to Stuttgart to see Kraftwerk".Actually, I'm > fairly certain he said it. As he took off in his car ( a Mercedes, of course) > there was some very Kraftwerkesque music coming from his radio (i.e. vocoder, > etc). Did anyone else see/hear this? I saw it, and heard the music again over the phone. The music was too fast-paced for KW. The voice sample said (I think) "Mind Control". I thought that it was kind of cool for there to be a KW ref in a popular U.S. show. | Soleil "Ra" Lapierre E-Mail: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | | WWW: http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs | | Geek Code v3.1: GCS d-(?)(--) s:+>:- a-->? C++++ UL+>+++ P L>++ | | E>+++ W++>+++ N+(-) o?>+ K++ W+()>--- !O M--() V-- PS+ PE Y+>++ !PGP | | t++(+) 5++ X++>+++ R- tv b+(+++) DI++++(+++) D++>++++ G+ e+>+++ | | h(++)>- !r !y+ 54% nerd, 89% pure, M-B type INFJ | ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 22:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: Ra On Mon, 29 Apr 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Could someone tell me what episode it was so I can try to see it in reruns? I > think I would have passed out on the spot had I seen it unprepared! I believe the episone number was 3F16 or 3F19 - you could probably find out for sure by peeking in alt.tv.simpsons or looking through episode capsules. | Soleil "Ra" Lapierre E-Mail: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | | WWW: http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs | | Geek Code v3.1: GCS d-(?)(--) s:+>:- a-->? C++++ UL+>+++ P L>++ | | E>+++ W++>+++ N+(-) o?>+ K++ W+()>--- !O M--() V-- PS+ PE Y+>++ !PGP | | t++(+) 5++ X++>+++ R- tv b+(+++) DI++++(+++) D++>++++ G+ e+>+++ | | h(++)>- !r !y+ 54% nerd, 89% pure, M-B type INFJ | ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #547 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #548 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 30 April 1996 Volume 02 : Number 548 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 10:34:56 EDT Subject: RALF & FLORIAN ARE THE LIVING CARPETS Really-From: Nicholas Patrick Carlisle Remember the man with the stick? Perhaps hiding beneath that monstrous cardboard helmet was none other than Emil Schult, whose hair always was teased into that kind of helmet shape... ....just to keep this relevant to kraftwerk- that man made entirely out of hazelnuts may be imagined scurrying about during the fast bit in Kristallo... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:32:35 +0100 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #547 Really-From: DHOLTON@derwent.co.uk I think (I may be wrong here) that those students at hydrogen.eng.dmu.ac.uk are freshers and they're not getting their leg over enough.Couple this with incessant thrashings from deeply religious parents and I think we are starting to get to the bottom of this.If anyone can tell us where they reside I could arrange a hit squad from UMIST or KINGS(LONDON) to turn their machine off.ONLY JOKING.....or am I!!!! Dave H ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:09:48 GMT Subject: gathering data Really-From: "KANG K.F. B.ENG.ELECT." To whom it may concern: can anyone send me the 'Das Autobahn lyrics' ,not the english translation but the original german one. KFK. I'm back... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:33:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Autobahm release Really-From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Does anyone know the exact release date(s) of Autobahn? - -gbr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:32:49 -0400 Subject: Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com you mean raiders of the Lost Ark? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 15:48:23 gmt Subject: Re: radioactivity Really-From: "Derek Macdonald" Really-From: Jason Musser Where's Sellafield? Sellafield is on the north west coast of England between Whitehaven and Seascale. If you look at a map it is opposite the Isle of Man near St.Bees. I worked there as a student a few years back on the new reprocessing plant they were bulding at the time (THORP). There's a mistake I've regretted ever since... Derek ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:32:12 +0200 Subject: Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) |\/\/\/| | | BOOM, | (o)(o) Tchak.. C _) | ,___| / Ouaouuh, what did he say? Craft work? | / what kind of music is this??? /____\ / \ __&__ / \ | | | (o)(o) C ,---_) | |,___| / Hooo... I hear these sounds every day, at work! | \__/ Burns thinks that's perfect music for /_____\ the nuclear power plants... /_____/ \ UNRELEASED EPISODE, by LCF / TiM - -- __ Timour JGENTI _____________ INSTITUT FRANCAIS DU PETROLE / DIMA gr.Image __ timour.jgenti@ifp.fr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:59:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: eng.dmu.ac.uk Really-From: Jason Musser I get the digested version of the list, so please excuse this message if this has already been dealt with, but if not: I move we ban this whole site and be done with it. - -Jason ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:48:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: amazing sounds with florian schneider Really-From: David Davis Has any one else given any thought to the instrumentation on "Vor dem Blauen Bock" [aka Truckstop Gondelero] ? It sounds to me like a live reworking of Statovarious...the former has 3 climaxes, improvised on a mixolydian mode all in (G? I forget!) Whereas Vor dem Blauen Bock has only 2 climaxes, similarly improvised in a mixolydian mode, this time one each in G and D The sort of things they are playing (especially some of the sound effects) seem quite similar to me.....anyway that's not important....! What I really wanted to remark on was Vor dem Blauen Bock...I can clearly hear Rother & Dinger's guitar and drums... In the 2nd climax I can believe it's just a wah wah electric guitar. But the first!? It's a sort of fuzzy bassy sound, with a very gate-type envelope, and a wierd "quacking" component.....I've never heard anything like it. My best guess is that he split the sound of a bass guitar into 2 channels, one is fuzz boxed, the other wah wahed. Any thoughts? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:26:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: the Mix Really-From: Jason Musser Ok, here's my problem with the Mix: I really like most of the songs individually. There's some really rad stuff going on in most of them that I like a lot while the song is playing. But since the songs are plucked from different albums, there's nothing to hold them together thematically. That's why I don't listen to the thing very much. Some albums contain a bunch of songs that, individually, might not seem especially great, but when put together, make a pretty good album. To me, the Mix is the converse: It's kind of an unsatisfying album, but if you pull it apart most of the songs are good enough. I was just thinking again about Ralf and Florian's not needing to release albums in order to make money. And I was also thinking of Willie Nelson. When the IRS seized all his property because he hadn't paid any income tax in years, Willie immediately recorded and released a couple of albums of gospel songs to earn the rest of the money he owed the government. I think he even called them something like "Who'll Buy My Memories (the IRS tapes)". So my suggestion is that we find some way to tie up Kraftwerk's assests (except for the hardware), thereby forcing them to release more albums to generate income. Are there any lawyers on the list who can help with this? - -Jason ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:11:07 -0400 Subject: Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: Curryous@aol.com I saw the movie -- it had Don Rickles in it but I don't remember the name. Russ Curry ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:08:37 -0700 Subject: Re: KW on the Simpsons?? Really-From: Eric Hill >From: ritchie@MADNET.COM >Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 02:26:40 -0500 >Subject: (idm) Quango&OrbitalLP&Simpsons... >To: idm@hyperreal.com >Sender: owner-idm@hyperreal.com > >G >GM>Also, if anyone happened to catch The Simpsons last night the end >GM>of the show featured a slick twentysomething BMW driving German who >GM>just had to get out of there to see Kraftwerk perform that night. >GM>As he sped off some trancey german techno tune was playing in his >GM>car, anyone know what it was for a laugh? > >Yeah, I recognized it immediately. It's Keoki's "Caterpillar" single on >Moonshine. Song's only been out a couple months...someone at Fox is >really on the ball. > >Al @ The Razor Room. > > >This message sent from The Net BBS 608-221-5702. >Telnet address: bbs.madnet.com > > > ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 30 Apr 96 14:34:49 EDT Subject: 'All In A Days Werk' EP Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> To follow up on last weeks posting of an article from Aktivitaet 7 re. the 'All In A Days Werk' tribute 12" EP... I e-mailed the company, DEF, who released the EP to see if it was still available. I have now had a response and they still have a few 12" copies left. For anyone interested, the price per copy is 5 UK Pounds including post and packing. Cheques etc. should be made payable to DEF Ltd. and sent to; DEF, PO Box 2477, London NW6 6NQ. If you are ordering from outwith the UK you would be best to get more details re payment/postage costs from the company. Their e-mail address is; def@mail.bogo.co.uk Ian Calder ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 30 Apr 96 14:35:10 EDT Subject: Aktivitaet 6 - 'The Mysterious Dominas' Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> 'The Mysterious Dominas' by IAC, with thanks particularly to Gilles Garneau, Dreams Word magazine (extract from issue no.11), KLEM magazine and Merche and Miguel (from Spain). Aktivitaet 6 - August 1994 Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * For some time now, it has been suggested that Kraftwerk appear on a record by a band called 'Die Dominas'. From what facts are known, it now appears that although there is a Kraftwerk involvement, it is very minor, in suggesting the use of a couple of chords featured in the music itself and also with the cover design. So, they do not actually appear on the record after all. However, Ralf certainly hasn't made the bands involvement all that clear. For instance, in the interview with him from late 1991 that originally appeared in issue 59 of the Dutch magazine KLEM (which was translated and featured in Aktivitaet 4) the inference was that they had nothing to do with it at all, as he had this to say; KLEM; 'There was once a 12" single by The Dominas. Were you involved with this? Did you compose this?' Ralf Huetter; "No. The Dominas make their own music. Dominas are naturally dominant. They are friends of ours. We have no musical connections. Dominas work independently, Dominas are always dominant and independent." However, from another source, an interview with Manuel Goettsching of Ash Ra Tempel, there is this far more informative piece; Dreams Word; 'What about the project 'Die Dominas'? It seems that Kraftwerk helped with this project, or is this just a rumour?' Manuel Goettsching;" 'Die Dominas' were two old friends of mine. They are my long time friend Rosi, who also performed on some Ash Ra Tempel records ('Join In' and 'Starring Rosi') and Claudia Skoda, for whose fashion shows I have been composing and performing most of the music since 1976. They knew Kraftwerk from Duesseldorf because they often went there for fashion fairs. Ralf Huetter wrote down two special chords for them on a piece of paper: the 'sub Domina' and the 'Domina seven' (Domina = dominant) chords. Later, in Berlin, they were asking me to show them how these chords sounded. So, one evening when we were doing a nice long session together in the studio, I played them these chords. I explained a little about the instruments in the studio, and they started experimenting with them, without knowing that I was already recording the session! It was really a hilarious session, and the voices sounded like we were having a party. The next day, I started re-mixing the material, and finally got three titles out of it! Claudia and Rosi were so impressed with the result they played it to Ralf and Karl. They were so taken with the recording they offered to make the cover for the album. It turned out to be a very nice cover that looked like a silhouette in black and yellow. The record was released at the end of 1980 on Claudia Skoda's own independent label, 'Fabrikneu' as a limited edition of 2000 copies. It was a 10" LP that was played at 33rpm on one side and 45 on the other. It sold out quite quickly, and still receives occasional airplay to this day! " (From an interview by Gilles Garneau, 'Dreams Word' XI, date unknown.) Details on the single are thus; on the A side there is 'Ich Bin a Domina' (16'53") while on side B there is 'Herr Ralfi und Herr Karl' (2'55") and 'Die Wespendomina' (5'56"). The first of these B sides is of course the real giveaway as to the possibility of a Kraftwerk involvement. The line-up for the recording has been listed as; Rosi; Vocals, Organ - Claudia Skoda; Vocals, Synthesizer - Manuel Goettsching; Programming, recording and mix. Released as a 10", the label and catalogue number is Fabrikneu, No.666. From the same source, a promo video for the song is also listed. Bearing in mind the subject matter involved, it is not known yet whether such a video would be classified with an X certificate! The sleeve of the record depicts two more, ah, sexually adventurous shall we say, ladies, complete with whips. This gives you an idea of what to expect from the music, which preoccupies itself lyrically with whips, rubber gloves, tying patients up, wasps(?!) and suchlike... So, I hope this article has gone some way to clearing up the mystery behind this rare release. - - END -- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:14:43 GMT Subject: Re: eng.dmu.ac.uk Really-From: "KANG K.F. B.ENG.ELECT." > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:59:13 -0500 (CDT) > From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) > To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu > Subject: eng.dmu.ac.uk > Really-From: Jason Musser > > > I get the digested version of the list, so please excuse this message if > this has already been dealt with, but if not: I move we ban this whole > site and be done with it. > > -Jason > > Don't ban that site, because it turns out to be mine. I was messing around in the KW ml, I admit it, but I've converted myself into a Robot, now I'm a KW fan for real. A bloke called SIMON played an hoax yesterday(29/04/95) ,I don't know him, but I found out that he's in the same University as me, so if you want to ban anybody ,it should be his Email, not the eng.dmu.ac.uk site in in which I happen to be in. KFK. "Radioactivity is in the air for you and me". ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:05:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Here we go again... Really-From: Brendan Heading >Brian would appear to be flame-baiting again. I presume he gets some >sort of enjoyment from the fusses he creates. I know. He's a bit of a Nazi :) It's not really very nice, for example, to blame Germans for the war, for example, so I don't see how we should blame Russians for the communists - who after all took power by force. Maybe we should start blaming Italians for invading old Britian in all those years BC :) >Kevin |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| -- I didn't want to make music. I didn't want to be a robot, even, I didn't want to be with the boys after all those years..." --Wolfgang Fleur, leaving Kraftwerk in 1990. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:56:14 -0300 Subject: Re: I have the right to say Really-From: Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) >You guys go on a stuff about Kraftwerk, but I think Tangerine Dream >is by far the best synthesizer band. I used to like KW ( autobahn is >the best one ) but it takes them ages to release an album. TD has got >dozens of album released. Sorry lads, but Kraftwerk is crap, and only >pratts listen to crappy music. So long, dude... I never knew that the quality of a band is measured by the number of releases in a determined space of time. Many of the albums of Tangerine Dream are boring soundtracks, composed like in a production line... =8-) Carlos Jose Quinteiro (-8= carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br EAESP/FGV Brasil ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 30 Apr 96 15:55:50 EDT Subject: RE: Tortoise Really-From: Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@CompuServe.COM> Nicholas, I know what you mean about this delay with the new album. I do quite alot of electronic music myself and if I listen to a tune over and over again it loses nearly all meaning. I dread to think about what Ralf and Florian are feeling. Later, Tom Thistlethwaite ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #548 *******************************