From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #647 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 1 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 647 Re: Possibility of New Stuff Re :New Album Possibility of a new album Re: Possibility of New Stuff For Info.... Germanofon releases Germanofon releases Re: Germanofon releases Station 17 Re: Possibility of a new album Netiquette Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #626 Re: Possibility of a new album Re: Hypothetical Movie Re: Germanofon releases Take That feat. Kraftwerk Re: Germanofon releases ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:16:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Possibility of New Stuff Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) >>At 08:31 AM 7/30/96 -0400, jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) wrote: >>Based on these responses, I seems that we've all GIVEN UP HOPE! Sure its been >>a long time but, still no longer than previous releases 1978, 1981, 1986, >1991). >>As a matter of fact, if they keep true to their previous schedule of releases >>(usually about 3 to 5 years), then YES the time is right! And this year is >>still FIVE months from over! >Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > I must strongly agree with John on this issue. I've noticed that >KW's lack of new material has put many list members and fans alike in a bit >of a bind and has caused them to stray from the fold. However, I do not >feel the time is at hand for throwing in the towel of hope. I have also >read in several sources (college & commercial music magazines) that KW are >expected to put out some kind of album full of new material sometime in 1996 >towards the later part of the year. So, while not spreading lots of wild >rumours about this possibility, I go about my business with the hopes that >they may just be right this time. I applaud you Scott!! Thanks for your support. IMO: There is absolutely nothing wrong with keeping HOPE! Five years between releases is no "World's Record" PEOPLE!!! Some people have begun to view Kraftwerk as if they were some kind of 'Myth' who never released ANYTHING before! I'm sure most of us are not in some highly visible media position where simply TALKING about the posibility of a new Kraftwerk CD would bring wrath should we be wrong or premature!!!! Too many people have gotten a bit too serious about what's discussed here! >fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de also wrote: >1. This bit from August 1995 (!) has been mentioned on this list at >least 10 times before, so I wouldn't call it "news". I say - Lighten up! I've only been on the list for about three months. And there will CONTINUE to be new people to the list who have not heard much of what gets discussed here. I can attest that in the U.S., its dificcult to obtain information about Kraftwerk - so for me (any many others, it IS news). And if it gets repeated - so be it! No harm done! >2. A quote from Ralf Huetter is nothing "official". Only EMI can make >official statements about EMI releases. This statement warrants some adjustment - Only Ralf Hutter and Kraftwerk can provide anything for EMI TO release! Should we discuss the wonderful EMI advert for the elusive 'Techno Pop' LP? >3. There is no proof that the quote is actually authentic. Who cares? There's no proof that ANYTHING printed in the media is authentic. >4. Whenever Ralf Huetter is asked about a new release, his answer is >"sometime next year". It is his standard answer to this question since at >least 1978, which makes the information from "Q" not necessarily false, but >pretty irrelevant. Again - Who cares? Its just another topic for discussion. Again, no harm done. I happen to enjoy reading stories and articles about Kraftwerk (as I thought everyone else did) as well as information on this mailing list - authentic or not! Its JUST everyday reading/discussion - nothing more! PLEASE - LIGHTEN UP EVERYBODY! Its all "Boing Boom Tschak" - MUSIC - and its just for fun! :) :) :) :) - -John ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:25:58 +0200 Subject: Re :New Album Really-From: "Nexus" >Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" >Don't be silly. Some of us just choose not to get worked up over a "new >album" that -- as far as anyone knows -- Kraftwerk hasn't even started >to lay down on tape yet. You're wrong here. I actually posted this news sometime ago, but I feel I have to do it again now. Pascal Bussy is a personal friend of mine, and while having a drink with him sometime in April this year, he told me that Maxime Schmitt (those who have read the book know who he is) had recently made a trip to Dusseldorf and back, and is again actively in relation with the band. The new album exists, is recorded, and was in the final stages of mixing when Schmitt went to see R & F, i.e. December 1995. BUT, that doesn't mean anything regarding an upcoming release. As everyone knows, R & F could very well be unhappy with it at the last minute, and redo the whole thing. Still, a new album exists, and is on its way. The title wasn't decided at the time. This is not some false rumor, this is _fact_. Still hoping... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 16:39:00 -0100 Subject: Possibility of a new album Really-From: per.hedetun@nostromo.ct.se (Per Hedetun) Gustav Holmberg wrote the following to Laszlo Nibble: LN> At any rate, no such album has been announced, so anything that's said LN> about it now is just rumor-mongering and blind guesswork. GH> Let's get some numerological assistance in the rumor-mongering and GH> blind guesswork: GH> Computer World (1981) GH> Electric Cafe (1986) GH> The Mix (1991) GH> Yes the five year interval significant? Do Kraftwerk have a GH> contract that force them to make an album at least every fifth GH> year ? :-) AFAIK, Kraftwerk doesn't HAVE a contract at all! They just record their albums and then release them under EMI, much like Depeche Mode does when releasing records under Mute Liberation Technologies.. I could be wrong, but that's what I've heard. BTW, just read through the FAQ (version 2.9) and found the following piece of information: ======================================8<-------------------------------------- When will Kraftwerk release new material? I heard there was a new album coming out. There are persistent reports of a new Kraftwerk album (see for example digests 1.211, 1.212, 1.280, 1.365 and 1.366). The attitude of seasoned Kraftwerk fans to such reports is "Interesting, but I'll believe it when I see it!" Hoax claims of a new Kraftwerk album have stirred up the email list a few times and will no doubt do so again. One of the most recent reports comes from Mark Bell of the group LFO, cited in the German magazine New Life. He says that Kraftwerk will release a new album by the end of 1997... - -------------------------------------->8====================================== Interesting, but I'll believe it when I see it! ;-) /Per Hedetun - per.hedetun@nostromo.ct.se - --- timEd/2 1.10+ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Possibility of New Stuff Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > I applaud you Scott!! Thanks for your support. My pleasure, and thanks for the kind words. :o) >IMO: There is absolutely nothing wrong with keeping HOPE! Five years between >releases is no "World's Record" PEOPLE!!! > Some people have begun to view Kraftwerk as if >they were some kind of 'Myth' who never released ANYTHING before! I agree. As I may have mentioned, I may be VERY excited at the possibility of a new Kraftwerk album coming soon, but even if KW decided not to release anything I would still be as into Kraftwerk as I was before. Plain and simply put, they are my #1 favorite band and I'll continue to listen to them around the clock each and every day. I am in love with the work they have already given us, and that is more than enough to keep me satisfied for a long time. Should there be a new album, however, I'll be the first one on line at the record store! :o) As far as the possibility of a new album goes, all I know is that Ralf Huetter has made numerous statements to the effect that there will be new material coming, estimated at a release some time in 1996. Furthermore, people have informed me that several music magazines and college music journals (a la Billboard, CMJ, etc.) have also made mention of EMI anticipating a new KW release near the end of 1996. So, while we may have no way for sure of confirming such rumours, at the very least they continue to peak people's interest in Kraftwerk and in the music that KW has already given us. Music appreciation doesn't stop when a band records their last album. In many cases, it only truly begins once a band has broken up and attained an almost legendary and classic status - a status that I feel Kraftwerk has had since their beginnings and all the way throughout their still-existent career. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "And at the fall of night..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:51:03 -0400 Subject: For Info.... Really-From: Smudge90@aol.com The September 1996 issue of Q Magazine has a feature of 'The 100 Greatest Ever Gigs' and they include the Kraftwerk concert at the City Hall, Sheffield, June 19th 1981. There is a small review by a 'fan' and a picture included! Andy. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:01:14 -0700 Subject: Germanofon releases Really-From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) Does anyone know what the master source was for the Germanofon K1 and K2 releases? Was it the LP or was it the original tapes. Also, since I am new to this list, has there been any rumors or has there been offical word that Kraftwerk would reissue these (or even "Tone Float" or "Ralf and Florian"). By the way, does anyone know where I can get "Ralf and Florian"? questions, questions, questions K.C. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:39:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Germanofon releases Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" > Does anyone know what the master source was for the Germanofon K1 and K2 > releases? Was it the LP or was it the original tapes. All CD releases of KW1, KW2 and Ralf & Florian to date have been bootlegged from vinyl. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Germanofon releases Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > Does anyone know what the master source was for the Germanofon K1 >and K2 releases? Was it the LP or was it the original tapes. The master source for these releases were the vinyl LP's of KW and KW2. >since I am new to this list, has there been any rumors or has there >been offical word that Kraftwerk would reissue these (or even "Tone >Float" or "Ralf and Florian"). Ralf and Florian have been asked that question before, and I far as I can recall, at one point they made a statement to the effect that they *did* indeed have plans to officially re-issue these older records on CD in the future, but since then nothing has come of it (much like their talk of a new KW album - hee hee). ;o) >By the way, does anyone know where I >can get "Ralf and Florian"? questions, questions, questions The 'Ralf & Florian' album is also available as a bootleg CD from Germanofon (catalog #941023), so you can most likely get hold of it wherever you got the other 2 Germanofon Kraftwerk bootlegs (KW and KW2). I have all 3 of these Germanofon boots and feel that the sound quality and packaging is excellent on all 3. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Ananas symphonie..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 23:27:10 +0000 Subject: Station 17 Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de It appears as if Michael Rother was involved in a charity CD called "Station 17" a few years back. Has anyone closer information on this release and on Michael Rother's involvement? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 23:27:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Possibility of a new album Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > BTW, just read through the FAQ (version 2.9) and found the following piece of > information: > > One of the most recent reports comes from Mark Bell of the group LFO, > cited in the German magazine New Life. He says that Kraftwerk will > release a new album by the end of 1997... This part of the FAQ is a bit inaccurate. Mark Bell was in fact quoted in the February issue of New Life that Kraftwerk *may* release something *within* the next two years - which could mean "tomorrow", but it could also mean "in January 1998"... Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 23:27:10 +0000 Subject: Netiquette Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > >1. This bit from August 1995 (!) has been mentioned on this list at > >least 10 times before, so I wouldn't call it "news". > > I've only been on the list for about three months. Well, you behave as if you are the list owner! If you are new on a list, you are not in a position to make statements about whether something is "news" or not. > there will CONTINUE to be new people to the list who have not heard much > of what gets discussed here. There is a FAQ-file for these people. > And if it gets repeated - so be it! No harm done! Except for people who have to pay for their mail! Every message sent to a mailing list can do such harm. We should be aware of it! > >2. A quote from Ralf Huetter is nothing "official". Only EMI can make > >official statements about EMI releases. > > This statement warrants some adjustment - Only Ralf Hutter and Kraftwerk can > provide anything for EMI TO release! And only EMI can decide whether and when they will release it. > >3. There is no proof that the quote is actually authentic. > > Who cares? There's no proof that ANYTHING printed in the media is > authentic. Exactly! Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 31 Jul 96 17:35:10 EDT Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #626 Really-From: Thistlethwaite <100341.2320@CompuServe.COM> unsubscribe kraftwerk-digest ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Possibility of a new album Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >This part of the FAQ is a bit inaccurate. Mark Bell was in fact quoted in >the February issue of New Life that Kraftwerk *may* release something >*within* the next two years - which could mean "tomorrow", but it >could also mean "in January 1998"... Even if it meant January 1998, I'd still be getting excited about it now. Like I've said, my interest in KW will remained locked on target whether KW release something new or not, but there has certainly been more than a substantial about of talk, rumours, gossip, and "unofficial" articles and documentation which suggest and imply that there will indeed be new material released by Kraftwerk in the future (whether it's this year, the next, the one after that, etc.). That's good enough for me! :o) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "eins...zwei...drei...vier..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 02:27:32 +0200 Subject: Re: Hypothetical Movie Really-From: lbo >KML>I think Allen Alda (of Mash) looks like Florian Schneider. > >But I bet his German is terrible. ;-) mmmmh... maybe Curd Jurgens would sprach besser, if he was alive...=20 > >Greetinx > >Timo K. aus L. > >--- >"Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Tr=E4ger von Ideen." > Kraftwerk: Technopop > > ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 02:33:54 +0000 Subject: Re: Germanofon releases Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > >since I am new to this list, has there been any rumors or has there > >been offical word that Kraftwerk would reissue these (or even "Tone > >Float" or "Ralf and Florian"). > > Ralf and Florian have been asked that question before, and I far as I can > recall, at one point they made a statement to the effect that they *did* > indeed have plans to officially re-issue these older records on CD in the > future What is your source? If you're referring to this Radio DT 64 interview from 1991: Ralf Huetter hasn't mentioned any *plans* for a re-release during this interview, he was only talking about the possibility of such a re-release in general, apparently attempting to avoid a clear statement ("we would have to search for the master tapes blahblahblah"). Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 00:07:00 +0200 Subject: Take That feat. Kraftwerk Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) Hi! An interesting feature from the ex-Boygroup "Take That". On their second album "Everything changes" you can hear at the beginning of "Why can't I wake up with you" the following line: "Uno dos tres quatro". I wonder, if this is sampled from "Numbers". Greetinx Timo K. aus L. - --- "Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Träger von Ideen." Kraftwerk: Technopop ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 00:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Germanofon releases Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >What is your source? If you're referring to this Radio DT 64 >interview from 1991: Ralf Huetter hasn't mentioned any *plans* >for a re-release during this interview, he was only talking about the >possibility of such a re-release in general, apparently attempting to avoid a >clear statement ("we would have to search for the master tapes >blahblahblah"). Of course no statements that I have seen or heard have been confirmed at all and are certainly questionable as to their authenticity. I'm just pointing out that at least R&F *may* have had plans at one point in time to re-issue their early recordings officially at some later date in time. The question was brought up in the Kraftwerk FAQ that reads "How can I get copies of Kraftwerk's early albums?", and the response contained the following text: "Huetter and Schneider have allegedly talked about seeing these albums released (digest 1.007), but have certainly not rushed to do so. Possibly this is because the image and sound of these albums is very different from the Kraftwerk material which followed..." I think the key word to bear in mind here is "allegedly". In attempting to answer many mysterious questions regarding KW, all we often have to go on is hearsay or unconfirmed information. We cannot piece together certainties from these, but at least it's often a way to break some kind of ground at entry level and speculate at some possible answers. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "...and we are dancing mechanic..." ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #647 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #648 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 2 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 648 Re: Station 17 Re: Netiquette Unnecessary hostilities Re: Unnecessary hostilities what next? Re: Unnecessary hostilities Re: Unnecessary hostilities ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:40:44 +0200 (MST) Subject: Re: Station 17 Really-From: Thomas Weckert On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > > > > It appears as if Michael Rother was involved in a charity CD called > "Station 17" a few years back. > Has anyone closer information on this release and on Michael Rother's > involvement? > > Thanks, > Klaus Zaepke > I saw in May (I think it was in May) a one hour interview with Rother on Berlin's FAB-TV, and speech came also across this album, it was an album with songs composed by handicapped people living in a hospital, and Rother simply recorded the tracks with them to bring them on a CD. T. from D. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:45:32 +0200 (MST) Subject: Re: Netiquette Really-From: Thomas Weckert On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > > > > > >1. This bit from August 1995 (!) has been mentioned on this list at > > >least 10 times before, so I wouldn't call it "news". > > > > I've only been on the list for about three months. > > Well, you behave as if you are the list owner! > If you are new on a list, you are not in a position to make statements > about whether something is "news" or not. > NRNT: no ranks, no titles, please! Thomas ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:54:27 -0400 Subject: Unnecessary hostilities Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) >fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de >Well, you behave as if you are the list owner! I do not! I have every right to post information as much as anyone else! The list is merely an open forum. I wish some of you people would lighten up an stop making such a big deal over simple 'electronic' conversation. Moreover, even being new to the list, I AM NOT NEW TO KRAFTWERK. I've followed them since 1977 - I don't feel that I am an outsider! >If you are new on a list, you are not in a position to make statements >about whether something is "news" or not. >> there will CONTINUE to be new people to the list who have not heard much >> of what gets discussed here. > >There is a FAQ-file for these people. The KW FAQ's is quite outdated - Perhaps you have not checked. This is a publicly accessable mailing list - not an EXCLUSIVE club. Treat it as such. >> And if it gets repeated - so be it! No harm done! >Except for people who have to pay for their mail! Every message >sent to a mailing list can do such harm. We should be aware of it! So that would include sending in unwarranted negative responses simply to complain about an unknowingly duplicated message. That, sir, also must be paid for! Overall, I can not believe how hostile some of you can be! It is quite unbelievable... - -John ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 16:43:25 +0000 Subject: Re: Unnecessary hostilities Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > Overall, I can not believe how hostile some of you can be! It is quite > unbelievable... Well, I'll reply to this in private mail, though I wonder who is the hostile one here... ;-) Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 20:53:14 +0200 Subject: what next? Really-From: lbo I am skeptik (sp?) about new releases from K, sadly. their past activities don't leave me bright hopes. anyway, you will agree that from Autobahn to Electric Cafe every K album was a "concept" album, that is inspirated and/or dedicated to a particular theme. Autobahn, the travel, even in the psychedelic meaning of trip; Radioactivity the poetical of radiowaves and early electronic devices, the emotions of receiving radio message from the world and of course the radioactivity itself; TEE again a travel, but this time with neo-mitteleuropean "Metal on Metal" roots, Robots the robotization and a certainfuturistic issue, Computerwelt that is self-explanatory and in advance of decades about the role of computers in world society (so in advance that i argue about the exact perception of those issue from K: maybe they were not prophets but just lucky ones?); Electric Cafe the minimalization of an always more virtual reality. The Mix is a case apart, a sort of meta-concept, the K about themselves under the light of new technologies... so, what could be the theme for the next concept? do you think an *hypotetical* new album of K will still be a concept one? or could it just be an album of modern electronic music? and what about the connection with the more mmmh... commercial industrial acts, like F242 and similar, and with trance? or will K remain, as I think, always over the market pressures on their "turris eburnea"? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:27:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Unnecessary hostilities Really-From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) You wrote: > >Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) > > >>fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de >>Well, you behave as if you are the list owner! >I do not! I have every right to post information as much as anyone else! >The list is merely an open forum. I wish some of you people would lighten >up an stop making such a big deal over simple 'electronic' conversation. >Moreover, even being new to the list, I AM NOT NEW TO KRAFTWERK. I've >followed them since 1977 - I don't feel that I am an outsider! > >>If you are new on a list, you are not in a position to make statements >>about whether something is "news" or not. >>> there will CONTINUE to be new people to the list who have not heard much >>> of what gets discussed here. >> >>There is a FAQ-file for these people. >The KW FAQ's is quite outdated - Perhaps you have not checked. This is >a publicly accessable mailing list - not an EXCLUSIVE club. Treat it as such. > > >>> And if it gets repeated - so be it! No harm done! >>Except for people who have to pay for their mail! Every message >>sent to a mailing list can do such harm. We should be aware of it! >So that would include sending in unwarranted negative responses simply >to complain about an unknowingly duplicated message. That, sir, also >must be paid for! > >Overall, I can not believe how hostile some of you can be! It is quite >unbelievable... > >-John > You people are fucking pathetic. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:22:34 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Unnecessary hostilities Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" > You people are fucking pathetic. This flamewar ends here -- if you can't respond civilly, don't respond to the list. I'm not going to be giving any further warnings. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #648 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #649 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 3 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 649 The War Ends Stalagmit 1-12 On updating the FAQ Re: what next? Wassup? Wassup? Re: Wassup? Re: Wassup? Props ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:32:38 -0400 Subject: The War Ends Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) >Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" >This flamewar ends here -- if you can't respond civilly, don't respond to the >list. I'm not going to be giving any further warnings. Klaus has clearly explained to me via private mail the reason for all the confusion (I won't go into it here). I'll be more careful to which questions I respond to. Don't want anymore of what went on. I apologize for any misunderstandings. They were not intentional. - -John "we will close today's program" "in Namem alle Mitarbeiter, darfe ich mich recht herzlich von Ihnen verabschieden" "that's all for tonight... good night" "tschuess, wir sehen uns morgen wieder" "I hope you have been blessed by this program" "enjoy, and I will see you tomorrow" "bon soir" "auf Wiedersehen!" "auf Wiedersehen!" "auf Wiedersehen!" "auf Wiedersehen!" "auf Wiedersehen!" (fade) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:40:18 +0000 Subject: Stalagmit 1-12 Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de I've spotted the following on an old record saleslist: "Sampler with Kraftwerk, Stalagmit 1-12 (only on this record!)" Are any further details known? Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:40:27 +0100 (BST) Subject: On updating the FAQ Really-From: Kevin Busby > The KW FAQ's is quite outdated - Perhaps you have not checked. Ouch! :-) Just for general information: a new version is being worked on, but I have to squeeze it in amongst more important demands. There's a sufficient amount of new information that I want to do a full revision rather than lots of minor updates. As it stands, I trust the present version is not outdated to the point of being misleading, but if I'm wrong, let me know of anything urgent... Otherwise I can say with confidence that a new version will be out before the new Kraftwerk album. :-D Regards Kevin ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 18:07:35 +0200 Subject: Re: what next? Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) > so, what could be the theme for the next concept? do you think an > *hypotetical* new album of K will still be a concept one? or could it just > be an album of modern electronic music? and what about the connection with > the more mmmh... commercial industrial acts, like F242 and similar, and with > trance? KW music was always closely associated with modern technologies and perspective of the future humanity (IMHO). The concepts turned around different "progresses" of this century: nuclear energy, electronics, computers, virtual reality... as you've mentionned. Then The Mix could be a good epilogue to their works if they stop here. Of course no one of us wants this, and if KW haven't announced anything (positive or negative) there's still a hope. Myself, I strongly believe there will be something new. The advance in technology didn't stop. I think it would be logical if after computers and VR the next concept would be... WWW, communication networks. It wasn't really develloped in previous albums so why not? IMO it's the only one technological advance which changed mentality of humans enough to be considerated as important event of these last years. (maybe beginning of a new era?) So, back to music, KW has always their own style and I don't see why it would change now. I mean they won't copy anyone, if it changes it will change another way... well, i'm saying that, but who knows, there were big deceiving surprises with some legendary bands :( e.g: metallica, iron maiden... Regards, - -- __________ /\ _______\ Timour JGENTI ___________________________________ \ \ \____ / timour.jgenti@ifp.fr \ \ \/ / / Institut Francais du Petrole \ \/ / / ____________________ DIMA, groupe Image \ / / \/_/ http://www.utbm.fr/les.personnes/lu.chen/timourpages/tim.html ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 13:13:47 EDT Subject: Wassup? Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Hi. I'm new to the list. Can anyone answer these queries? 1. Someone told me that the theme to the PBS series "Newton's Apple" is a Kraftwerk song, from one of their pre-"Radioactivity" albums. Does anyone know the title of this joint? 2. Does anyone know if the titles released by Warner Bros. (US) are more valuable than the more recent Elektra versions? I have the original CD pressings of "Electric Cafe" and "Computer World," and the 1985 WB re-release of "Autobahn" on cassette. 3. Does Elektric Music have any other albums in the US besides "Esperanto"? 4. Is the new Electronic album, produced by Karl Bartos, any good? As an aside, there is a very clever sample of Kraftwerk in the song "Funky Y-2-C" by The Puppies (a bass music group). Peace. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:50:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Wassup? Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" > 1. Someone told me that the theme to the PBS series "Newton's Apple" is a > Kraftwerk song, from one of their pre-"Radioactivity" albums. Does anyone > know the title of this joint? It's "Ruckzuck", from the first album. Newton's Apple used to use a version that was pretty much just the album version, now it's a jazzed-up cover version recorded for the show by someone else. > 2. Does anyone know if the titles released by Warner Bros. (US) are more > valuable than the more recent Elektra versions? I don't think any of the US KW CDs have any particular collector's value. > 3. Does Elektric Music have any other albums in the US besides > "Esperanto"? No. (That's the only Elektric Music album released anywhere to date.) > 4. Is the new Electronic album, produced by Karl Bartos, any good? Haven't heard it . . . - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 16:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Wassup? Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >It's "Ruckzuck", from the first album. Newton's Apple used to use a version >that was pretty much just the album version, now it's a jazzed-up cover version >recorded for the show by someone else. Is the new version of "Ruckzuck" used by Newton's Apple actually a cover version? As far as I could tell, it still uses the original Kraftwerk flute and rhythm parts but is accompanied with lots of louder additional parts (piano, drums, etc.) that were just tacked on by other musicians specially for the TV show theme. Either way, the show still does not credit Kraftwerk at the end for having written the theme song, and this is something that has always bugged me about that program! :o) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "We're functioning automatic..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 96 20:13:47 -0000 Subject: Re: Wassup? Really-From: euroboy >4. Is the new Electronic album, produced by Karl Bartos, any good? > Depends on what you like. It's a bit more pop-rock oriented than the first Electronic release. It really doesn't sound like Kraftwerk at all; if that's what you're looking for, you may not like the CD. greg ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 23:14:21 EDT Subject: Props Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) >>> Is the new version of "Ruckzuck" used by Newton's Apple actually a cover version? As far as I could tell, it still uses the original Kraftwerk flute and rhythm parts but is accompanied with lots of louder additional parts (piano, drums, etc.) that were just tacked on by other musicians specially for the TV show theme. Either way, the show still does not credit Kraftwerk at the end for having written the theme song, and this is something that has always bugged me about that program! :o) <<< Yeah. KW never gets its much-deserved props for influencing everybody. I don't watch that show anyway--it's wack. Did anyone hear EM's remix of Afrika Bambaataa & Soul Sonic Force's "Planet Rock" from that PR remix album from 1992 on Tommy Boy/WB (TBLP 1052)? It was the best of the remixes--combining the "The Mix"-era sound & technology with the hip-hop classic. I also liked EM's work with Information Society. The hook from Todd Terry's 1988 classic "Bango" gets its hook from "It's More Fun to Compute"--an absolutely brilliant sound collage with a phat house beat. Will there ever be a new KW album???? ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #649 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #650 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 4 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 650 Re: Kraftwerk recording contract AW: what next? Wassup? notes for new thaemlitz: "Die Roboter Rubato" Re: notes for new thaemlitz: "Die Roboter Rubato" Re: Wassup? Bussy Cover. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 03 Aug 96 06:43:42 EDT Subject: Re: Kraftwerk recording contract Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> > Really-From: per.hedetun@nostromo.ct.se (Per Hedetun) > > AFAIK, Kraftwerk doesn't HAVE a contract at all! They just record their albums > and then release them under EMI, much like Depeche Mode does when releasing > records under Mute Liberation Technologies.. I could be wrong, but that's what > I've heard. For the UK at any rate, I have heard from a reliable, but anonymous, source that Kraftwerk do indeed have a contract and that it requires them to deliver five albums worth of material. However, there is no set stipulation as to when these releases must appear. So there could as easily be one year or twenty years between albums! If we assume that this contract covers their three EMI records (Computer World, Electric Cafe and The Mix) then we have hope for at least two more albums should this contract be honoured! ;-) I stress however that, while I believe that this info is genuine, I cannot prove it 100% so ... Ian Calder ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 19:38:50 +0200 Subject: AW: what next? Really-From: "Michael Melzer" KW Mailing list wrote: >The advance in technology didn't > stop. I think it would be logical if after computers and VR the next concept > would be... WWW, communication networks. It wasn't really develloped in > previous albums so why not? IMO it's the only one technological advance which > changed mentality of humans enough to be considerated as important event of > these last years. (maybe beginning of a new era?) I dont quite agree with that one. I think one technology that might influence and change our world in the future a lot and also has made quite big advances in the recent years is biotech and genetical engineering. Also nano technology could become e key factor in science and i am sure other examples can be found. IMO the progress in science is far away from slowing down. But Biotech does not seem to fit too well in Kraftwerks concepts. There is just not enough machinery in it. But just speculating what might be subject on the (hopefully) upcoming Kraftwerk album. Maybe an update of the Mensch-Maschine concept: We are the cyborgs. Off course the Internet is the big thing right now, but KW have also already dicussed online communications in Computerliebe. (i think its more obvious in the german version) back in 1981 (15 years ago :o). I hope to read some more speculations on that item on this list and really wish Kraftwerk will suprise us all in the (near?) future! Servus aus Wien Michael "In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 96 12:29:00 +0200 Subject: Wassup? Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>It's "Ruckzuck", from the first album. Newton's Apple used to use a KML>version that was pretty much just the album version, now it's a KML>jazzed-up cover version recorded for the show by someone else. What's this for a TV-Show? Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 22:13:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: notes for new thaemlitz: "Die Roboter Rubato" Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" [Forwarded from the Ambient list... -laz] > From: Terre Thaemlitz > Subject: notes for new thaemlitz: "Die Roboter Rubato" > > hi, > > for those interested, you can find a draft of liner notes for my upcoming > project DIE ROBOTER RUBATO, a series of rubato (open-meter) piano solo > renditions of songs by Kraftwerk, at the Listening Material archive > (http://www.caipirinha.com/comatonse/listening/rubato.html). sorry, no > sound files yet. but recording is complete - i'm in the > lawyer-publishing-clearance stage. titles recorded include: > > die roboter [the robots] > atherwellen [airwaves] > tour de france > computer welt [computer world] > techno pop > ruckzuck [twitch-glitch] > radioland > mensch machine [man machine] > schaufensterpuppen [showroom dummies] > morgen spaziergang [morning walk] > > if anyone can point me to a transcription of the _original_ german lyrics > to "spiegelsaal" (hall of mirrors) i'd really appreciate it. i have the > record, but i can't be 100% sure of what i'm hearing. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > terre thaemlitz comatonse recordings > terre@caipirinha.com 309 east 108 street, suite 3a > http://www.caipirinha.com/comatonse/ new york, ny 10029 usa - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 01:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: notes for new thaemlitz: "Die Roboter Rubato" Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >> ruckzuck [twitch-glitch] Twitch-Glitch? Is that what "ruckzuck" means? I think the only translation I've ever come across for the title of that song was the one printed in the on-line Kraftwerk discography that simply reads "7:47 Ruckzuck [Retreat]" So, I'm confused - what's the actual translation of "ruckzuck"? Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "We step out...and take a walk through the city..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 01:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Wassup? Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >>KML>It's "Ruckzuck", from the first album. Newton's Apple used to use a >>KML>version that was pretty much just the album version, now it's a >>KML>jazzed-up cover version recorded for the show by someone else. >What's this for a TV-Show? Yes indeedy. "Ruckzuck" has been used for years now as the opening theme music of an educational program about the wonders and advancements of science and technology. This show is called Newton's Apple and has been airing for many years now here in the U.S.A. In fact, I had been aware of the show even before I was aware of Kraftwerk. I'd seen the show many times and I knew its distinctive opening theme music. Then, years later, when I brought my copy of Kraftwerk's first album home and cued up track #1 in the CD player ("Ruckzuck"), needless to say I was shocked at what I heard. Everyone at home could hear me yelling throughout the house "Oh my god - it's the music from Newton's Apple!! - Kraftwerk did that!!". The program is geared mainly for children and younger audiences, but the scientific concepts, theories, and formulas dealt with and examined on the show are certainly not child's play. The show provides in-depth explanations for many phenomena of science, technology, and their applications in the natural world. It seems only fitting that Kraftwerk should have been chosen as the show's theme music! (It's just too bad that KW is never credited at the end of the show for having written the theme song!!) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Interpol and Deutsche Bank...FBI and Scotland Yard..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 02:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bussy Cover. Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Fellow Kraftwerkians, I know that there has been much discussion and controversy in past digests pertaining to Pascal Bussy's book, "Kraftwerk: Man, Machine, and Music". All in all, I still find the book to be most enojoyable to read. However, I just thought I'd mention the one thing that still really bugs me about that book - its cover. It's not the fact that the cover features the band robots that bothers me, it's which particular robots they selected to show on the cover that gets me agitated. The picture on the book's cover features 4 robots from 'The Mix' era. Ralf and Florian's robots are obvious, but the other 2 are robots of Fritz Hilpert and Fernando Abrantes (I think - please correct me if I'm wrong). While I do not have anything personal against Fritz and Fernando, it just seems like an odd thing to do to feature them on the cover of a book about Kraftwerk's history and career. Basically, if you're going to use pictures of band members in the first place, all you really need to have are pictures of Ralf & Florian since they are the only 2 members who have been involved from Kraftwerk's earliest beginnings straight through to the present day. And anyway, if the cover HAD to have 4 band members, I really feel that it should have shown Karl and Wolfgang (instead of Fritz and Fernando) since they were involved with KW for a long time and through the highest moments and bulk of KW's career. Well, let me not get too carried away, it's only a book cover, but I just felt the need to get that out. Any other comments on the book's cover? Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "I saw her on the cover of a magazine..." ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #650 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #651 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 5 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 651 Re: Book Cover and New York Kraftwerk Society "idea" Ruckzuck Re: Book Cover and New York Kraftwerk Society "idea" Da bomb! Re: 'Man, Machine and Music' book cover KW Samples ruckzuck Re: Da bomb! Re: 'Man, Machine and Music' book cover Capitol Reissues & samples ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:09:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Cover and New York Kraftwerk Society "idea" Really-From: JAMESDADA@aol.com Scott: Quite agree on the cover rant. Considering that Bartos DID write some of the "classics" with Ralf und Florian, the old robots would have been my choice if i was the writer, editor or art direktor. All in all, it's the best we've got....NOW, if this was the Pearl Jam digest we'd have ten books to discuss....but they would still suck. On another note, being in New York, I'm interested in getting a little Kraftwerk "salon" happening. Perhaps we could arrange an evening at my bud Mark Fodeotis' (MUTE Records USA's President and fellow Kraftwerkian) restaurant "OTIS". Otis is on Ninth Avenue @ 51st st. it even has The Model b/w Neon Lights on their jukebox. It could be BYO Tapes (points for rarities, but live recordings could be tedious in a restaurant/bar setting). Maybe Mark could arrange for some Dusseldorfian hors d'ouevres. I'd even invite Doreen D'Agostino (former K-Werk Capitol Records publicist/and onetime US mgr -- I believe she's credited on Computerworld). She now works with Karl on EM and represents David Van Tiegham among others.....sounds like a "happening" to me (gawd I hate the concept of "the happening" but it could be cool). Any Takers? jd I'm sure one of you "brilliants" will join me on this one! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 20:23:19 +0000 Subject: Ruckzuck Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > Twitch-Glitch? Is that what "ruckzuck" means? I think the only > translation I've ever come across for the title of that song was the one > printed in the on-line Kraftwerk discography that simply reads "7:47 > Ruckzuck [Retreat]" > So, I'm confused - what's the actual translation of "ruckzuck"? I'm not sure about the meaning of "Twitch-Glitch", but "Retreat" is definitely wrong. The German word for "Retreat" would be "Rueckzug". "Ruckzuck" is probably a special German idiom. I think that "Hurry up!" might be an adequate translation. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 16:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Book Cover and New York Kraftwerk Society "idea" Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >On another note, being in New York, I'm interested in getting a little >Kraftwerk "salon" happening... >Any Takers? Seeing as how I'm a KW fanatic who happens to also be located in the New York City metro area myself, I'd be game for you to keep me posted on any developments with this one. Cheers! Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Turn the dials with your hand..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 16:55:44 EDT Subject: Da bomb! Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Yo, that idea for the Kraftwerk-themed "salon" would be all that! I'm glad that there are other people who appreciate the world's greatest band. For years I was the only person I knew who was a fan of these gods, knowhutimsayin'? That nasty show on PBS still needs to give props where props are due. :-( Does anyone know if there are any songbooks of the KW songs? Not the biography, but sheet music, knowhutimsayin'? Which has better sound quality: the Capitol/EMI or Cleopatra (USA) versions? Phat sample of KW on Sir Mix-A-Lot's "Ride," although SMAL is crazy wack. However, Kool G. Rap, one of hip-hop's most underrated MCs, has a joint called "Rhymes I Express" that uses a brilliantly clever sample of "Trans-Europe Express," produced by Marley Marl. True hip-hoppers give props to KW. Peace ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 04 Aug 96 18:29:03 EDT Subject: Re: 'Man, Machine and Music' book cover Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> > Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > > Well, let me not get too carried away, it's only a book cover, but I just > felt the need to get that out. Any other comments on the book's cover? I'd agree, the cover design is very poor for the English language edition. Far better is the German language imprint - it features a colour picture of Kraftwerk performing, from a German TV show - and it is the Huetter/ Schneider/Bartos/Fluer line-up. The French edition of the book is similar to the UK in that it features the 1991 robots, but from a different angle. Finally, the Japanese edition is *totally* different to all the others - it features little photos of subjects from some of KWs songs - so there are pix of cyclists, a TEE train, a portrait of Franz Schubert and some German autobahn signs as well as a colour pic of Kraftwerk themselves from the TEE inner sleeve. Different, certainly. Ian Calder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Man ... Machine ..." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 18:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Subject: KW Samples Really-From: Ra I don't know about the rest of you, but I for one delight in finding music that heavily samples Kraftwerk. It's the next best thing to real Kraftwerk. Anyway, I just found two CDs that make heavy use of most of my favorite KW sounds. Both are by Techmaster P.E.B. - one is called Bass Computer and the other is It Came From Outer Bass II. Just FYI, in case you're as obsessed as I am. :) /*-----------------------------------------------------------------------* | Soleil "Ra" Lapierre E-Mail: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | | WWW: http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Geek Code v3.1: GCS d-(?)(--) s:+>:- a-->? C++++ UL+>+++ P L>++ | | E>+++ W++>+++ N+(-) o?>+ K++ W+()>--- !O M--() V-- PS+ PE Y+>++ !PGP | | t++(+) 5++ X++>+++ R- tv b+(+++) DI++++(+++) D++>++++ G+ e+>+++ | | h(++)>- !r !y+ 54% nerd, 89% pure, M-B type INFJ | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*/ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 02:42:39 +0200 Subject: ruckzuck Really-From: lbo > Twitch-Glitch? Is that what "ruckzuck" means? I think the only maybe something like "go and come back", or A/R travel? maybe I'm wrong but this could be another of their joke like the megaherz instead of megaherTz a list fellow explained some days ago. if you listen to this piece, that is what it suggest to me. what does this title sound like to german speaking ones? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 22:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Da bomb! Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >Which has better sound quality: the Capitol/EMI or Cleopatra (USA) >versions? Well, this question has been addressed previously by people on this list and I feel that it still remains a worthwhile question. I for one own the Cleopatra versions of Radio-Activity, TEE, and Man-Machine, so I can only speak for the quality of those. I've often been tempted to buy the newer Capitol re-issues of these CD's since the artwork is truer to the original album covers, especially in the case of 'The Man-Machine'. However, I'm not sure how the sound quality on these re-issues compares to that of the Cleopatra ones. All I do know is that for the longest time now, the Cleopatra ones were always a few dollars more expensive than the Capitol ones. Just today I was in the record shops over here and for the first time both the Cleopatra AND the Capitol versions were finally the same price. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Man...Machine...Super Human Being..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 22:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: 'Man, Machine and Music' book cover Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >I'd agree, the cover design is very poor for the English language edition. >Far better is the German language imprint - it features a colour picture of >Kraftwerk performing, from a German TV show - and it is the Huetter/ >Schneider/Bartos/Fluer line-up. Yep, that sounds more like what I had in mind for a better cover. Other than that, the only other thing that I feel the book really could have used would have been a page or two in the photo section of the book that would feature the original front covers of all the Kraftwerk albums. I just think this would have been a nice and appropriate addition to the already excellent photos that are present in the book. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "It only takes a camera to change her mind..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 00:19:04 EDT Subject: Capitol Reissues & samples Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) I would think that the Capitol/EMI versions would sound better 'cause Cleopatra had to license the masters from Capitol/EMI. I'm planning to buy the Capitol CDs of "TEE" and "Radioactivity." I've never owned RA, and my cassette copy (sacrilege, eh?) of TEE finally expired after 11 years of service. Besides, I love the Capitol/EMI Records logo from the '70s; its so much cooler and retro than the classic Capitol/EMI logo. Why is Emil Schult "not really a band member"? OK, who can answer this? There's a house record from around 1989-1990 that utilizes the hook from "It's More Fun to Compute" and has this vocal sample that goes something like "Bangin' & bangin' for the tour, man." The song is extremely long and repetitive, and it was probably released on a tiny label. Does anyone know what joint this is? I love the mix of Miami bass and KW; especially what it does to the speakers (& I'm not being sarcastic!). Personally, I'd like to see a KW remix album utilizing all of the current styles of hip-hop and house. :-) Masters at work, Todd Terry (both are house), and countless others would have a field day 'cause they've all been influenced by those German gods, knowhutimsayin'? Peace. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #651 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #652 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 5 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 652 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:09:07 +0200 Subject: Re: AW: what next? Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) > I think one technology that might > influence and change our world in the future a lot and also has made quite > big advances in the recent years is biotech and genetical engineering. Well I don't know a lot about Biotech, but why not! > Off course the Internet is the big thing right now, but KW have also > already dicussed online communications in Computerliebe. (i think its more > obvious in the german version) back in 1981 (15 years ago :o). Yes, in Computerlove and in EC the online communications are discussed, but not enough develloped. KW talked about it as about an future eventuality, but now, when it becomes reality there are even more things to look forward. Anyway, even if KW music was related to the technology, its goal isn't a strong prediction of future technologies. Even years later people was much more enthousiastic and fascinated by the future perspectives: the progresses in peoples mentality and technology were going on, the conquest of space seemed promised to the future ( I don't know, but I think people in 70'ies thought that Mars (and why not Alpha Centauri) will be reached before year 2000 ). So it's normal I think that making a new art (music or whatever) in such atmosphere of movement was much more exciting than now, when we stand not knowing where to go... Kraftwerk knew to exploit wisely that new golden era, but they're not gods, maybe they're lost in the future like I am... Once again it just my impression... - -- __________ /\ _______\ Timour JGENTI ___________________________________ \ \ \____ / timour.jgenti@ifp.fr \ \ \/ / / Institut Francais du Petrole \ \/ / / ____________________ DIMA, groupe Image \ / / \/_/ http://www.utbm.fr/les.personnes/lu.chen/timourpages/tim.html ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 05:28:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Wassup? Really-From: "A. D. Alvarez" Hey Gang :) You'd think Kraftwerk would be better-known in America since they're endlessly used as theme or background music! Besides Newton's Apple, I can think of the SPROCKETS sketches in Saturday Night Live. "Now's the time in Shprockets when we dance"--out come the turtleneck, stretchpants pokerfaced late Eighties Eurotrash dancing robotnik to a speeded-up version of "Musique Non-Stop." I guess they think Kraftwerk/Techno fans are dour and pretentious arty types (well, I know I am, but I don't know about alla you. :-D ). Still, it's a perfect appropriation of the Kraftwerk aesthetic. AD ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:33:47 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Ruckzuck Really-From: Christophe Leske On Sun, 4 Aug 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Twitch-Glitch? Is that what "ruckzuck" means? I think the onl= y Hi there,=20 i=B4m quite new to this newsgroup, but i=B4m a fan of Kraftwerk since i hea= rd autobahn at the age of 8 or 9 years. Being a german native speaker, i can only tell you that i can=B4t think of any direct translation of "Ruckzuck". But maybe i just don=B4t know enough english... Anyway, "Ruckzuck" means somewhat like "done in a hurry" or "do it in a hurry". The word is normally used in an ordering way: Tu das, aber ruckzuck! (Do that, but quickly!) Other possible translation that come into my mind are words like pronto or asap, but none do really match.=20 Living in Duesseldorf for more than 14 years, i never managed to find out the adress of the Klingklang studios. Anyone for that? I just knwo that there are located somewhere the Mintropplatz. Funny thing, i=B4m working in that area at this very moment in a software business.=20 Ok, maybe that helped.=20 Christophe Leske "Es wird immer weitergehen, Musk als Traeger von Ideen..." leske@sunserver1.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 14:01:57 +0400 Subject: Alexei Milenkov is out: 08-05-96 thru 08-09-96 (Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #651) Really-From: AutoMail@europe.notes.pw.com I'm currently in Konobeevo at trainig course, about two hours drive from Moscow. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 06:26:49 -0400 Subject: RE: Capitol Reissues & samples Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." > Personally, I'd like to see a KW >remix album utilizing all of the current styles of hip-hop and house. :-) >Masters at work, Todd Terry (both are house), and countless others would >have a field day 'cause they've all been influenced by those German gods, >knowhutimsayin'? Peace. > I'm suprised we haven't seen an official tribute from the hip-hop/house artists. The influence has been immense and the amount of samplings throughout the years is incredible! (a 4 CD set would be nice!) Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 11:21:26 EDT Subject: Translations Really-From: Nicholas Patrick Carlisle I'd be very grateful if those in the know could take the time to translate the titles off the K1, 2 & Ralf Und Florian albums! Also Vor Dem Blauen Bock... Thanks, Nick ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 08:02:03 -0300 Subject: No Subject Really-From: Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) subscribe kraftwerk =8-) Carlos Jose Quinteiro (-8= carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br EAESP/FGV Brasil ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:37:35 +0000 Subject: Rother Interview Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de The August issue of the German Fachblatt Musik-Magazin contains an interview with Michael Rother, in which he answers a few questions about his Kraftwerk period. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:37:35 +0000 Subject: Vor dem Blauen Bock Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > I'd be very grateful if those in the know could take the time to > translate the titles off the K1, 2 & Ralf Und Florian albums! Also > Vor Dem Blauen Bock... The title "Vor dem Blauen Bock" is a bootlegger's joke. The real name is "Rueckstoss Gondoliere", translated to "Truckstop Gondolero" in the Bussy Book. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 09:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Wassup? Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >You'd think Kraftwerk would be better-known in America since they're >endlessly used as theme or background music! Besides Newton's Apple, >I can think of the SPROCKETS sketches in Saturday Night Live. "Now's >the time in Shprockets when we dance"--out come the turtleneck, >stretchpants pokerfaced late Eighties Eurotrash dancing robotnik to a >speeded-up version of "Musique Non-Stop." Hey, there was even a segment on the infamous children's educational program "Sesame Street" which featured a man in a suit and tie dancing on a public street to the music of "Home Computer" which was being played on a nearby portable radio. Yep, that's what I always say, start them on Kraftwerk when they're young! :o) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "We're standing here...exposing ourselves..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 09:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Translations/Vor Dem Blauen Bock Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >I'd be very grateful if those in the know could take the time to >translate the titles off the K1, 2 & Ralf Und Florian albums! Also >Vor Dem Blauen Bock... Well, as you've been seeing on the list, the question as to the proper translation of the title 'Ruckzuck' is still up in the air, but here's a list of the translations I've got for the song titles of the first 3 Kraftwerk albums: Kraftwerk (1970) - --------- Ruckzuck (Do it in a hurry/As soon as possible??) Stratovarius (this is a play on words, i.e. Stradivarius) Megaherz (another play on words perhaps, i.e. Megahertz) Vom Himmel Hoch (From The High Skies) Kraftwerk 2 (1972) - ----------- Klingklang (Ring Sound) Atem (Breath) Strom (Current) Spule 4 (Coil 4) Wellenlange (Wave Length) Harmonika (Mouth Organ) Ralf & Florian (1973) - -------------- Elektrisches Roulette (Electric Roulette) Tongebirge (A Mountain Range Of Tones) Kristallo (Crystals) Heimatklange (The Sounds Of Homeland) Tanzmusik (Dance Music) Ananas Symphonie (Pineapple Music) These are not necessarily the official translations of these song titles, so if anyone's got more accurate translations, please post them since I am also quite interested in knowing the actual meanings of the song titles. Now then, if I may address a different issue, "Vor Dem Blauen Bock" is something that continues to confuse me. What exactly is this track? For a while I thought it was the bonus track on the bootleg of Organisation's "Tone Float" album, but that bonus track goes by the name "Rueckstoss Gondoliere" - the same song that KW performed live in 1971 on the German TV show "Beat Club". So, who can tell me what "Vor Dem Blauen Bock" is?? Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "I call this number for a data date..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 09:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Vor dem Blauen Bock Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >The title "Vor dem Blauen Bock" is a bootlegger's joke. The real name >is "Rueckstoss Gondoliere", translated to "Truckstop Gondolero" in >the Bussy Book. Ok, y'all can disregard my question now about that one. Looks like I may not be going crazy after all. :o) Thanks, Klaus. - -Scott- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 10:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Emil Schult Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >'70s; its so much cooler and retro than the classic Capitol/EMI logo. Why >is Emil Schult "not really a band member"? Schult may have started out as a musician (violinist) with the group back in 1973 during the 'Ralf & Florian' era, but his contributions from that point on became strictly allocated to visual imagery. On the 'Ralf & Florian' album, Schult's sole contribution was conceiving and drawing the Musicomix poster inside the album sleeve (with the exception of some drawings which were made by Florian). Later on throughout the latter portion of the 1970's, Schult was heavily involved in designing the group's image and their stage sets for live shows as well. This type of work involved the lighting and other visual aspects of the shows, as well as writing some song lyrics and creating record sleeves and covers. I suppose the main reason that Emil Schult is often thought of as not actually being a *member* of Kraftwerk is due to Ralf & Florian's insistence that they alone play all the instruments on their albums, thus crushing the possibility of Schult contributing musically to any of their work. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "In Vienna we sit in a late-night cafe..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Ruckzug Really-From: John J Muir I'm dying to find this song What Kraftwrek album is it on? Anyone know where I can get the album it's on? I'm from the U.S. and haven't seen this on any album here But remember hearing it as the themesong from the show Newton's Apple I saw a sample on someone's homepage but can't find it I've seen you guys refer to it as Ruckzuck, but I haven't seen that on cd either Help please ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 15:58:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Translations Really-From: Paulo Mouat I'm not proficient in the german language, but I'll try introduce some more ideas for the translation of the first KW albums pieces. > Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > > Kraftwerk (1970) > --------- > Ruckzuck (Do it in a hurry/As soon as possible??) Well since 'Ruck' may mean 'rock' in the sense of shaking, and 'zuck' is an interjection meaning 'quick!', perhaps this may be the first example of 'dancing mechanik' in KW. > Stratovarius (this is a play on words, i.e. Stradivarius) Not only on Stradivarius, but also on Stratocaster, accounting for that section in the piece which the violin sounds much like a distorted electric guitar. > Megaherz (another play on words perhaps, i.e. Megahertz) Yes, between 'hertz' and 'herz' (heart). In the beggining of the piece you have the physical phenomenon of beats between two soundwaves with adjacent frequencies. The keywords are 'beats' and 'frequencies,' get it :-) :-) ? The other pieces have pretty self-explanatory names, so I'll not repeat what has been posted here regarding them. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:39:21 +0000 Subject: "Tour de France (Version Allemande)" Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de Is anyone able to tell me the next-to-last line of the lyrics for "Tour de France (Version Allemande)"? It's the line between "Der Koerper ist jetzt sattelfest." and "Die Form ist da, jetzt geht es ab." I have never been able to understand this part of the lyrics... Thanks, Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:39:22 +0000 Subject: "Ralf und Florian" Translations Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > These are not necessarily the official translations of these song > titles, so if anyone's got more accurate translations, please post them "Official" translations for the "Ralf und Florian" songs can be found on the U. S. edition of this LP. I don't have the LP at hand at the moment, but AFAIR (my memory may be wrong!) the translations are: - - Elektrisches Roulette = Electric Roulette - - Tongebirge = Mountain of Sounds - - Kristallo = Kristallo - - Heimatklange = The Bells of Home - - Tanzmusik = Dance Music - - Ananas Symphonie = Pineapple Symphony Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 12:03:01 EDT Subject: Pop culture findings Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) It was "Electric Cafe," not "Musique Non-Stop" that was used in SNL's "Sprockets," although it was speeded up considerably. The dancer from the "Sesame Street" sketch had to be contortionist Bill Irwin, who, among other things, played a circus performer who fell in love with Marilyn on "Northern Exposure" (The guy who never talked and only appeared in a few episodes). What really got me pissed off was in the mid-late '80s when you could hear that remix of "The Telephone Call" almost everywhere: on MTV, on 98.7 Kiss-FM in New York whenever anyone called, and almost anywhere on the TV when people used the telephone. GIVE PROPS WHERE THEY'RE DUE!!!! Peace. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 12:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Ruckzuck Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >I'm dying to find this song >What Kraftwrek album is it on? >Anyone know where I can get the album it's on? >I'm from the U.S. and haven't seen this on any album here >But remember hearing it as the themesong from the show Newton's Apple >I saw a sample on someone's homepage but can't find it >I've seen you guys refer to it as Ruckzuck, >but I haven't seen that on cd either >Help please The song "Ruckzuck" is the first actual song to appear on record under the band name of Kraftwerk. It is the first song on the first self-titled Kraftwerk album, 'Kraftwerk'. The album was released in 1970 and has never been issued officially on CD as of yet. The only CD copies that exist float around as bootlegs, the most popular of these bootlegs being the Germanofon version which is in my opinion of excellent quality. Finding an original vinyl copy of this album in the U.S. is a pretty difficult task, as is finding their 2nd or 3rd album as well. However, finding the bootleg CD is a little easier, as there are mail order places that the CDs can be ordered dirdctly from, some of which used to be on-line. Perhaps they still are. If you're going to try and check the internet for a mail order place that carries these bootlegs, I suggest you try a place called CDnow. That's where I ordered my Germanofon copy of 'Ralf & Florian' (Kraftwerk's 3rd album). I was lucky enough to find their first 2 albums on CD (Germanofon) mixed into the regular Kraftwerk section of HMV Music Stores here in New York City. They had special "import" stickers on them and they ran a little more expensive than normal CDs, but they were well worth it. If you are unable to locate these bootleg CDs and would like me to give you an address to write to for a catalog that stocks these selections, just email me privately. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "And at the fall of night..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:02:33 +0000 Subject: Mixes of "Turn off the silence" Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de In Aktivitaet 6 it was reported that the single "Turn off the silence" by The Mobile Homes, which was produced by Elektric Music, would contain four mixes: 7" mix, 12" mix, Disco Mix and Extended Mix. The only pressing of this single I know (HAWKCDS 1174) contains only two mixes: Radio Edit and Orgasmix. Is there a second release with the other mixes? Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 13:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Pop culture findings Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >The dancer from the "Sesame Street" sketch had to be contortionist Bill >Irwin, who, among other things, played a circus performer who fell in >love with Marilyn on "Northern Exposure" (The guy who never talked and >only appeared in a few episodes). Yes, the actor in this sketch was indeed Bill Irwin. I'm surprised to see that someone else actually remembered that! :o) Irwin has appeared in LOTS of television, movies, and even some commercial spots as well. >What really got me pissed off was in the mid-late '80s when you could >hear that remix of "The Telephone Call" almost everywhere: on MTV, on >98.7 Kiss-FM in New York whenever anyone called, and almost anywhere on >the TV when people used the telephone. GIVE PROPS WHERE THEY'RE DUE!!!! Hear Hear - I agree. The most recent usages of KW that I've noticed were 1) the oscillator passage of "Home Computer" used in a radio station's promo commercial on Z-100 (100.3 FM) here in New York a few months ago, and 2) the odd-angled zoom-in black & white clip of Florian taken from the video for "The Telephone Call" tacked on at the end of a promo spot for M-TV'sprogramming prior to the beginning of the summer. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "We are programmed just to do..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 20:26:59 +0200 Subject: RuckZuck Really-From: "Michael Melzer" The german word "Ruck" can be translated to "jerk", "yank", "shock" (?). The german word "Zucken" can be translated to "to jerk" or "to move convulsively". At least that´s what my dictionary says. As mentioned before the word "Ruckzuck" could be best described as "quick(ly)", "fast" in an ordering way. I am sorry but I have not found a better way to describe it. Michael "Ich waehl die Nummer..." ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #652 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #653 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 6 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 653 Re: Survey!!!! Re: Heute Abend CD Re: RuckZuck Bussy Cover. Re: notes for new thaemlitz: "Die Roboter Rubato" Re: Bussy Cover. Re: Ruckzug Re: Vor dem Blauen Bock Re: notes for new thaemlitz: "Die Roboter Rubato" NYC Kraftwerk Hang NYC Kraftwerk Re: NYC Kraftwerk Re: Ruckzug Re: Emil Schult Re: Ruckzug Re: Book Cover and New York Kraftwerk Society "idea" Ruckzuck Re: Ruckzuck Re: Emil Schult Proliferation ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:33:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Survey!!!! Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Somewhat left-of-center, but not dogmatic. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:42:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Heute Abend CD Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com My copy is recorded at too fast a speed--so I can't listen to it! Try "N1 to Zurich" or "Rebuilt in '92" instead. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 15:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: RuckZuck Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >As mentioned before the word "Ruckzuck" could be best described as >"quick(ly)", "fast" in an ordering way. Well, here's speculation as always, but perhaps we might conclude that "Ruckzuck" does indeed mean something like "moving quickly" or "moving fast" in an ordering way. This definition would be somewhat appropriate for the song as its tempo continues to shift and jerk throughout the track until it finally speeds up to a climax with the main flute and keyboard riff speedily repeated again at the end. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "We go into a club...and we start to dance..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 96 23:04:00 +0200 Subject: Bussy Cover. Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>And anyway, if the cover HAD to have 4 band members, I really feel KML>that it should have shown Karl and Wolfgang (instead of Fritz and KML>Fernando) since they were involved with KW for a long time and KML>through the highest moments and bulk of KW's career. BTW: Does anyone know, if Ralf and Florian are working alone at the moment or if they are actually joined by anyone else. (Which I bet. Because Kraftwerk featured always four members -- except on the "Ralf and Florian"-Album? (Can not say it, because I do not own this record.)) Greetinx Timo K. aus L. - --- "Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Träger von Ideen." Kraftwerk: Technopop ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 96 22:59:00 +0200 Subject: Re: notes for new thaemlitz: "Die Roboter Rubato" Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>Twitch-Glitch? Is that what "ruckzuck" means? I think the only KML>translation I've ever come across for the title of that song was the KML>one printed in the on-line Kraftwerk discography that simply KML>reads "7:47 Ruckzuck [Retreat]" So, I'm confused - what's the actual KML>translation of "ruckzuck"? I do not know what Twitch-Glitch means, but Ruckzuck is German for doing something quickly and also a bit (ore sometimes more than a bit :-)) lazy. Greetinx Timo K. aus L. - --- "Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Träger von Ideen." Kraftwerk: Technopop ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 17:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Bussy Cover. Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >BTW: Does anyone know, if Ralf and Florian are working alone at the moment or >if they are actually joined by anyone else. (Which I bet. Because Kraftwerk >featured always four members -- except on the "Ralf and Florian"-Album? (Can >not say it, because I do not own this record.)) Just for the record, 'Ralf & Florian' was not the only time that the "dynamic duo" worked alone on a record. Their second album 'Kraftwerk 2' (1972) was also entirely the work of Huetter and Schneider, unassisted by any additional session musicians. By the way, you've definitely gotta get yourself a copy of 'Ralf & Florian' - it's superb! Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:51:05 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Ruckzug Really-From: Christophe Leske On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: John J Muir >=20 >=20 >=20 > I'm dying to find this song > What Kraftwrek album is it on? > got my copy of it on the Acceler 8 compilation i found in South France > a second hand record shop (quite obscure, isn=B4t it?) u can find > Ruckzuck on the unofficial Kraftwerk infobahr Pages on the ternet at > http://wwwtdb.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm/kraftwerk.html It is among other good quality recordings (not official), coded in mpegII. Go for it, it is definitiely worth it. BTW, i do even posses a live version of 1975 in Cologne of this song (man, am i proud of that! But it wasn=B4t me at the age of three who recorded that...) Es wird immer weitergehen, Musik als Traeger von Ideen... Christophe Leske ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:56:11 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Vor dem Blauen Bock Really-From: Christophe Leske On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > > > > >The title "Vor dem Blauen Bock" is a bootlegger's joke. The real name There used to be a german TV-show called "Zum Blauen Bock" with Heinz Schenk. The music they played had nothing to do with Kraftwerk, they used to play entertaing music with people dressed in their traditional costumes. We german call this genre Schlager or Volksmusik, but in another way than Ralf Huetter (re)defined it. It is something like easy listening music, not to say dumb music. Christophe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:58:36 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: notes for new thaemlitz: "Die Roboter Rubato" Really-From: Christophe Leske > Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) >=20 > Timo K. aus L. >=20 > --- > "Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Tr=E4ger von Ideen." > Kraftwerk: Technopop >=20 (Na sieh an, denselben Spruch benutze ich auch...) Does anybody know other mpeg songs of Kraftwerk on the Net than on the infobahr pages? How about live or bootleg recordings? Christophe Es wird immer weitergehen, Musik als Traeger von Ideen... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 18:37:34 -0400 Subject: NYC Kraftwerk Hang Really-From: Genepool@aol.com I'm in!! Just the fact that they have Kraftwerk on the Jukebox is good enough for me!! Steve ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 20:53:11 EDT Subject: NYC Kraftwerk Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) As I recall, there's a fish restaurant/pub in the South Street Seaport (I'm an NYCer as well, though I'm livin' upstate right now) where the stockbroker-devils go after work, and there happens to be an ancient video jukebox. KW's "Musique Non-Stop" is one of the videos. I can't really corroborate this because I haven't been there in a long, long time. My folks and I used to go there regularly when I was in high school. Did Warner/Reprise Video ever release the videos from "Electric Cafe" on videocassette? I've never seen "The Telephone Call" although I know there's a video clip. Was it as phat as "M N-S"? Those wankers from MTV should have given that the "best concept video" of 1986, knowhutimsayin'? Peace. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 20:12:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: NYC Kraftwerk Really-From: datta@archive.uwp.edu In article <4u6622$mhj@news.inc.net> you wrote: : Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) : As I recall, there's a fish restaurant/pub in the South Street Seaport : where the : stockbroker-devils go after work, and there happens to be an ancient : video jukebox. KW's "Musique Non-Stop" is one of the videos. If this is the kind of video juke box I remember from back about then, it has a laser disc inside it. Hmmmm. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 04:07:59 +0200 Subject: Re: Ruckzug Really-From: lbo >I've seen you guys refer to it as Ruckzuck, >but I haven't seen that on cd either it's really called ruckzuck in the vinyl label. you'll have read all the discussion about this so I will not recall them. anyway, this is a very old K's song, say '72-'73, and is present on the Kraftwerk I vinyl lp, now impossible to find but in the collectionist market at outrageously expensive price, and is also present in what is commonly referred as "the black double", a reissue on the same early seventies period of the first two K's albums, sporting a black glossy cover with blue waves taken from an oscilloscope (sp.?) and titled just Kraftwerk... these albums were not officially released on cd. maybe you'll find them bootlegged on cd, even if I don't know of official albums' bootlegs. concert boot, as many as you want, but albums not. anyway I am not following the boot-rarity market, so I am not reliable. as posted some days ago, you will find the black double only in the collectionist market, but at more affordable price, especially if it has a battered cover. inside many tacky early-seventy style snapshot of K, like an unbelievable child-of-the-flower Florian. I'm also mailing you privately on this. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 04:07:57 +0200 Subject: Re: Emil Schult Really-From: lbo [Schult role in K] >involved the lighting and other visual aspects of the shows, as well as what does he look like? does he resemble Ralf but more blond? in the Grassina (Florence, Italy) concert I saw a german guy like this hanging around in company of an outstandingly beautiful woman, and clearly connected with the show, if not for other reason, he was wearing the K "uniform" for the current event: black trousers and black high collar pullover (don't know the translation for this: is a sweater with a long tubular collar that you fold 2 or 3 times until it is high like our neck, in Italy we call it "dolcevita", sweet life...) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:45:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Ruckzug Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com Every early Kraftwerk album is simple to find, from Tone Float to Ralph and Florian. You simply go to a record store that orders bootlegs (many independant shops) and it comes a few weeks or so later. That's how I did it, and now I bask in the beauty of the total machine. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 18:17:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Book Cover and New York Kraftwerk Society "idea" Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>I'm sure one of you "brilliants" will join me on this one! When you pay the flight from Germany to New York, I will come. :-) Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 18:19:00 +0200 Subject: Ruckzuck Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>I think that "Hurry up!" might be an adequate translation. That is also a meaning of Ruckzuck, that I did not mention in my reply. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 23:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Ruckzuck Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >anyway, this is a very old K's song, say '72-'73, and is present on the >Kraftwerk I vinyl lp, now impossible to find but in the collectionist market Just to clarify, "Ruckzuck" is indeed a very old Kraftwerk song, but was actually released in 1970 (on the first official Kraftwerk album, self-titled 'Kraftwerk'). This song went on to become a live favorite of the band's, particularly in their earlier concerts (1970-1975) in which they used to open with this song as part of their sound checks. >these albums were not officially released on cd. maybe you'll find them >bootlegged on cd, even if I don't know of official albums' bootlegs. >concert boot, as many as you want, but albums not. anyway I am not >following the boot-rarity market, so I am not reliable. As has been mentioned before, I feel that the best place to look for these early Kraftwerk albums on CD would be the Germanofon bootlegs versions of 'Kraftwerk', 'Kraftwerk 2', and 'Ralf & Florian'. Should any of you have trouble locating these, email me privately and I'll let you know where you can try to track them down. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Industrial rhythms all around..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 23:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Emil Schult Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >what does he look like? does he resemble Ralf but more blond? Well, unfortunately I've never had the pleasure of meeting Emil (or Ralf or Florian for that matter!) in person, but there *is* a photo bust of Emil inside the album sleeve of the 'Ralf & Florian' album. It's hard to comment on exactly what Emil looks like just from this picture alone (since it's heavily touched up), but Emil seems to be a fairly good looking gent who appearance-wise I suppose is more along the lines of Karl and Ralf than Florian. The touched-up photo features Emil with long, dark brown hair (remember, this was 1973!), blue eyes, and a touch of lipstick for accent, and what appears to be a beauty mark near his chin. He's wearing a white T-shirt and what looks like a plaid button-down shirt over it. This photo of Emil is actually more revealing and with better clarity than the photos of Ralf & Florian themselves that are present inside this album. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "We are showroom dummies..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 23:35:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Proliferation Really-From: stdwle@unx1.shsu.edu (W. Ladd Ellett) Dear all, I have lurked on this list for many months, and besides a short and chided foray into the accepted/unaccepted merits of digital vs analog (no replys required) I have not said ANYTHING. However, I belong to a number of Listservs and the Kraftwerk listserve is THE MOST ACTIVE of them all by at least 200%! I am amazed despite my own position of listening and *adoring* K since I heard Computer World in 1981 in the states. Keep the faith. Yours, W.L.Ellett Email:stdwle@shsu.edu Web Page:http://www.shsu.edu/~stdwle/ "Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative..." ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #653 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #654 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 6 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 654 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:36:12 +0200 (MST) Subject: Re: "Tour de France (Version Allemande)" Really-From: Thomas Weckert > Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > > > > Is anyone able to tell me the next-to-last line of the lyrics for > "Tour de France (Version Allemande)"? > It's the line between > "Der Koerper ist jetzt sattelfest." > and > "Die Form ist da, jetzt geht es ab." > I have never been able to understand this part of the lyrics... > > Thanks, > Klaus Zaepke > It's about that H"utter changes his "Blatt", well, on a bicycle you have a gear and two (sometimes even three!) "Bl"atter" (I don't know how to translate), but with the "Blatt" you can change in an even higher or lower transmission related to your actual gear. Thomas ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 01:12:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Ruckzuck Really-From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) > > As has been mentioned before, I feel that the best place to look for >these early Kraftwerk albums on CD would be the Germanofon bootlegs versions >of 'Kraftwerk', 'Kraftwerk 2', and 'Ralf & Florian'. Should any of you have >trouble locating these, email me privately and I'll let you know where you >can try to track them down. > Just to let everyone know, (since i'm new to the list, I don't know if this is already established) the Germanfon label went out of business. All the Kraftwerk, Organisation, and Neu stuff is all now out-of-print on bootleg too (except for the other K1 & K2 bootlegs with the vinyl surface crackle audible, which I have never seen). I called around to almost every good record store in L.A. (Aron's, No Life, Rockaway, Virgin, Tower, Poo-Bah's, etc.) and none of them had it. One said they had it a week ago and two of them said Germanofon went out of business. So if you come across one BUY IT. It may be your last chance. I was lucky enough to find them in a mail order catalog (they had one copy left of K1 and K2). K.C. P.S. - this list is almost too active. Does the digest version clutter your mail up as much as the regular? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:14:41 -0400 Subject: keep list active Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com I prefer this list to be very active as opposed to the complete inactivity that it has been experiencing and will no doubt experience again soon. And it still doesn't compare to the analogue heaven list, which has about twenty to thirty messages every day :-) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:30:32 +0200 Subject: Really-From: "Michael Melzer" I have got a Canadian version of the original Autobahn vynil lp (mercury 6307 008). Its cover varies from the UK release I also own (Parlaphone EJ 24 0070 1B). (BTW: Strange enough I haven´t got a German release.) Well the on the Canadian cover you can see at the bottom of the picture the instrument panel ( ? or fascia panel) of a car (probably Volswagen). In the rear view mirror, which is connected to that, you can see Kraftwerk sitting in the back row of the car.They are dressed sixties/seventies like and one of them (definetly not Ralf or Florian maybe Klaus Roeder) really looks like a hippy. This picture is repeated in full size at the backside of the cover. Just left of the stiring wheel there is a small round photo and as far as I know it shows Emil Schult. My Ralf & Florian bootleg CD Germanofon 941023 release includes a booklet as front cover which also contains a photo Emil at the back.The german version of Bussy´s book also contains a picture where Emile and also Maxime Schmitt can be seen. Gruesse aus Wien Michael "In Duesseldorf am Rhein - KLINGT ES BALD..." - -- Michael Melzer e-mail: h8551159@asterix.wu-wien.ac.at ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:28:00 +0200 Subject: KW Samples Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>I don't know about the rest of you, but I for one delight in finding KML>music that heavily samples Kraftwerk. It's the next best thing to KML>real Kraftwerk. Kraftwerk are good to sample. I sampled Kraftwerk myself for my songs I make on my computer. Greetinx Timo K. aus L. - --- "Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Träger von Ideen." Kraftwerk: Technopop ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 19:29:00 +0200 Subject: ruckzuck Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>what does this title sound like to german speaking ones? Something quick -- just as the music. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 07:32:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Translations/Vor Dem Blauen Bock Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>These are not necessarily the official translations of these song KML>titles, so if anyone's got more accurate translations, please post KML>them since I am also quite interested in knowing the actual meanings KML>of the song titles. I have got an UK-Album featuring Kraftwerk 1 and 2. On this album there are the German titles listed. Martin Strong names in "The Great Rock Discography" just the German titles from the first three albums. KML>So, who can tell me what "Vor Dem Blauen Bock" is?? I can not tell you anything about the song itself, but there is a TV-show in Germany called "Der blaue Bock", featuring mainly German Folk-Music (Hum-Tata). In the 60s that was a show for the whole family, today just elder people watch it. I wonder, if Ralf and Florian had this TV-Show in their minds. Greetinx Timo K. aus L. - --- "Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Träger von Ideen." Kraftwerk: Technopop ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 07:42:00 +0200 Subject: Ruckzug Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>I'm dying to find this song What Kraftwrek album is it on? Ruckzuck is on the first Kraftwerk-album. KML>Anyone know where I can get the album it's on? With some luck you can get it Second Hand. KML>I've seen you guys refer to it as Ruckzuck, That is the correct title. A German idiom for Doing something quickly. KML>but I haven't seen that on cd either You ought to buy it on Vinyl because the first Albums have not been transferred to CD -- officially. Greetinx Timo K. aus L. - --- "Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Träger von Ideen." Kraftwerk: Technopop ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 07:55:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Bussy Cover. Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>By the way, you've definitely gotta get yourself a copy of 'Ralf & KML>Florian' - it's superb! When I am lucky I will get a copy this album. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 07:57:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Vor dem Blauen Bock Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>It is something like easy listening music, not to say dumb music. You are abslutely right. Greetinx Timo K. aus L. - --- "Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Träger von Ideen." Kraftwerk: Technopop ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 07:58:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Pop culture findings Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>Hear Hear - I agree. The most recent usages of KW that I've noticed KML>were 1) the oscillator passage of "Home Computer" used in a radio KML>station's promo commercial on Z-100 (100.3 FM) here in New York a few KML>months ago, and 2) the odd-angled zoom-in black & white clip of KML>Florian taken from the video for "The Telephone Call" tacked on at KML>the end of a promo spot for M-TV'sprogramming prior to the beginning KML>of the summer. The Intro of MTV's Greatest Hits a few years ago (it was on the European MTV-Station) featured for a few seconds the 3D-Polygone-Head from the "Musique Nonstop"-Clip. At that time the sample "Nonstop" was also featured on an Intro to an MTV-show. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 16:58:27 EDT Subject: Remixes Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) I think the reason that none of the hip-hop producers have made anything resembling a remix album is because I don't think that KW has a US record deal (has Elektra dropped them?). The other reason is because many of them are Five Percenters, and their bizarre religious beliefs prevent them from acknowledging anything positive about "devils" (white people). I can't say anything about the house-music community, though. BTW, can anyone give me the ISBN of the US edition of the KW book? Thanks. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 17:58:32 EDT Subject: Collaborations Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) If KW could team up with anyone, who would it be? Personally, I'd like them to collaborate with Sven Vath (a fellow German), as well as Aphex Twin, Brian Eno, and Einsturzende Neubauten. I can think of others as well. What combinations would you guys think would be phat? Peace. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 18:01:42 EDT Subject: Collaborations Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) If KW could team up with anyone, who would it be? Personally, I'd like them to collaborate with Sven Vath (a fellow German), as well as Aphex Twin, Brian Eno, and Einsturzende Neubauten. I can think of others as well. What combinations would you guys think would be phat? Peace. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 06 Aug 96 18:04:55 EDT Subject: Aktivitaet 4 - Collectors Corner - USA (Part 1) Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> 'Collectors Corner - United States' - Part 1 Aktivitaet 4 - August 1993 (Revised and updated, June 1996) Part 1 - INTRO and 7" SINGLES Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * PREFACE; This article has been added to substantially since its original appearance in Aktivitaet 4. So, it will be split into 5 or 6 parts. Unlike other multiple-part Aktivitaet articles these will *not* appear consecutively, there may in fact be some time before all appear as I still have to find time to finish off the latter part, particularly for CD releases. Also, I imagine it may be rather heavy going for those on the list not too keen on the collectors scene to have so high a dose of collectors trivia in one go! INTRO America has been one of the most productive markets for Kraftwerk releases and many collectors will have at least one or two American releases tucked away somewhere. There are some appealing formats, unavailable elsewhere, such as the 1981 coloured vinyl 7" release of 'Pocket Calculator', the 1992 compilation CD 'The Model' (Retrospective 1975-1978) as well as the US only CD singles of 'Showroom Dummies' and 'Trans-Europe Express', for instance. Amongst the items from the States that seem to crop up for sale frequently are promotional releases; the American record companies love these things it seems! I reckon that, judging by the rate at which they appear for sale, it is a wonder that the record companies make any money - they forever seem to be dishing out the promo copies! In some instances, for Kraftwerk items at any rate, it seems more commonplace for the promo version of a release to appear for sale as opposed to the standard run-of-the-mill release! There are lots of Kraftwerk promo items to have come from the US; many are very similar to the standard issues but there are a few which differ, such as the two 12" promos from the 'Computer World' era as well as the more recent (1991) promo CD for 'The Robots' and with oddities such as the promo-only remix/edit of 'Trans-Europ Express' from 1977. Anyway, this article is intended to give you a fair guide to what's available, though obviously it is not intended as a full discography. Corrections/details on any glaring mistakes or omissions will, as ever, be welcome. NB; All timings are approximate. 7" SINGLES Of the numerous 7" singles released in the US very few were ever issued with picture covers. The most recent Kraftwerk releases, from 1991, were not issued on 7" in America because of that markets desire to do away with the humble 7" format (booooooo!). Still, the most interesting of the US 7" releases from the collectors point of view must be 'Pocket Calculator' (Warner Brothers, WBS49723) , pressed in a lime/yellow coloured vinyl and housed in a transparent sleeve that has the normal design actually printed on it, it is relatively easy to come by; at the time of its original release this single was certainly available for a modest sum on import in the UK, by mail order at any rate, and many collectors probably bought this version in preference to the more common versions available. It features a shorter edit (3'55") than the majority of other territories releases and in addition there are two variations on the go; the first is a promo version - exactly the same as the coloured vinyl pressing except that it includes additional text printed on the label (i.e. the 'Promotion - Not For Sale' blurb). The other version is a plain old black vinyl pressing which does not have a picture sleeve. Next, 'Radio-Activity' b/w 'Antenna'; Capitol, 4211. There;s also a double A side mono/stereo promo too; Capitol, P-4211/PRO-8305. This original 1976 issue is one of the few American 7" singles to feature a picture sleeve (on both standard and promo releases). 'Radio-Activity' is a 3'18" edit. 'Antenna' is also edited, though that seems unnecessary. Other singles to have benefited from the inclusion of picture sleeves are 'Musique Non Stop' (Warner Bros, 7- 28532) and 'The Telephone Call' (Warner Bros, 7-28441). These are both very, very similar to other countries issues and, hence, not too exciting if you've already got the other issues. In addition, there were also double A side promo copies issued for these singles; 'Musique Non Stop' (Warner Bros, WB 7-28532) features the 4'08" edit on both sides and does not have a picture cover. 'The Telephone Call' (WB 7- 28441) features the 3'47" edit on both sides but does have a picture cover, the same as used for the standard copies; so although it says that 'Der Telefon Anruf' is on side two, it is not. Back in 1981 there was an interesting choice as a follow-up to the 'Pocket Calculator' single in the US. Warner Bros chose to issue a double A side 45 coupling 'Numbers' and 'Computer Love' (Warner Bros. WBS49795). There are in fact three 7" permutations of this release in circulation; i) the standard double A side issue ii) the promo version of this (again, only minor text differences on the label) iii) another promo, this time with 'Numbers' on both sides of the disc and easily distinguishable from the other two issues by featuring a white, not yellow coloured, label design and a plain, dark green sleeve. None of the three have a picture sleeve though all have the same 2'55" edit of 'Numbers'; the intro has been lopped off, so the song starts with the rhythm track playing. The edit of 'Computer Love' is the standard 3'45" edit as used in other countries. (NB; the same catalogue number is used on all three of the versions; confused? you will be...!) To round up on the numerous other US 7" releases, here are some brief details; 'Autobahn' b/w 'Morgenspaziergang' (Vertigo, VE203) features a 3'27" edit of 'Autobahn'. No picture sleeve, white coloured labels. Promo copies (Vertigo, VE-DJ-8) are also available, featuring the same edit of 'Autobahn' on both sides but there is no picture sleeve. There is also *another* promo single, with a unique 5'46" edit of 'Autobahn' on side two with the 3'27" edit on the A side (Vertigo, VE-DJ-9). No picture sleeve for 'Kometenmelodie 2' b/w 'Mitternacht' (Vertigo, VE-204) either, the labels are a different colour though - light blue. The edit of 'Kometenmelodie 2' differs from the UK 7" which has a shorter intro. As yet, I have not come by any promo copies for this release but they are more than likely to be available. There are at least two US 7" releases from 1978 for 'The Robots'; the commercial issue (Capitol, 4620) and promo issue (Capitol, P-4620), further details in the 'Collectors Corner - The Robots' article. There are also variations on a theme for 'Trans-Europe Express'; commercial copies b/w 'Franz Schubert' (Capitol, 4460) are available with two different label designs, which leads me to suspect that this single may have been re- issued in 1978 perhaps. There is also at least one promo issue, a stereo/mono double A side (Capitol, P-4460/PRO8869), the same length of 'TEE' edit on both sides. None of these issues have picture covers. The 1984 re-issue of 'Tour De France' (Warner Bros, 7-29342 is of interest as the edits of the remixes on both A and B sides differ from other countries, though only slightly. (More details in the 'Tour De France - a beginners guide...' article from Aktivitaet 3.) - - END -- To follow in Part 2... 12" singles. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:07:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Remixes Really-From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) You wrote: > >Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) > > >I think the reason that none of the hip-hop producers have made anything >resembling a remix album is because I don't think that KW has a US record >deal (has Elektra dropped them?). The other reason is because many of >them are Five Percenters, and their bizarre religious beliefs prevent >them from acknowledging anything positive about "devils" (white people). >I can't say anything about the house-music community, though. > Um, what are you talking about? White devils? Bizarre religious beliefs? I don't get it. K.C. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Samples, and KW1 & 2 Really-From: Matthew Bruns I always love it whenever I hear either samples or rip-offs. My most favorite recent find was actually the Erasure b-side True Love Wars, the Omni mix of which sampled not Kraftwerk, but Egypt, Egypt by the Egyptian Lover. The bit they sampled, tho, was a bit where EL was ripping off Tour de France, which I thought was cute... About KW1&2 - I've seen the bootlegs around, but I've always been too afraid to actually pick them up - how close to the KW sound are they? I've always had the impression that they're not quite the KW sound I'm familiar with from Autobahn on. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:12:20 -0700 Subject: Saturday Night Live Really-From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) I don't know if this has been talked about, but I remember hearing KW's "Electric Cafe" (the song) as background music on Saturday Night Live for a hillarious skit called "Sprockets" (it was along running skit). It was sped up real fast, but I could still recognize it. Anybody else hear this?? Any info on it?? How come all these TV shows use their music and never give them credit?? K.C. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 19:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >My Ralf & Florian bootleg CD Germanofon 941023 release includes a booklet >as front cover which also contains a photo Emil at the back.The german >version of Bussy=B4s book also contains a picture where Emile and also >Maxime Schmitt can be seen. Yes, the English language version of the book also has this photo in it as well. - -Scott- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 19:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Remixes Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >BTW, can anyone give me the ISBN of the US edition of the KW book? >Thanks. Well, the English language edition available in the U.S. is still an import (published in England by SAF Publishers), but the ISBN number is: 0 946719 098 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 19:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Samples, and KW1 & 2 Really-From: Scottie >About KW1&2 - I've seen the bootlegs around, but I've always been too >afraid to actually pick them up - how close to the KW sound are they? If all you're really well versed in when in comes to KW is the material from 1975-present, then KW1, KW2, and R&F will definitely NOT be what you're expecting. Their first 3 albums are different in that they are comprised of lengthy, often ambient mood pieces totally without words (with the exception of "Ananas Symphonie"). The consensus I have seen is that most of us KW fans share a deep affection for this old material as well, as it is a natural and fitting part of KW's musical evolution. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "We're functioning automatic..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Samples, and KW1 & 2 Really-From: Matthew Bruns On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Scottie wrote: > If all you're really well versed in when in comes to KW is the > material from 1975-present, then KW1, KW2, and R&F will definitely NOT be > what you're expecting. Their first 3 albums are different in that they are > comprised of lengthy, often ambient mood pieces totally without words (with > the exception of "Ananas Symphonie"). The consensus I have seen is that > most of us KW fans share a deep affection for this old material as well, as > it is a natural and fitting part of KW's musical evolution. Well, I can handle ambient, as long as it's pretty electronic... ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #654 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #655 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 7 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 655 Re: KW Samples Bizarre religious beliefs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 19:38:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: KW Samples Really-From: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca (Ra) On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > KML>I don't know about the rest of you, but I for one delight in finding > KML>music that heavily samples Kraftwerk. It's the next best thing to > KML>real Kraftwerk. > > Kraftwerk are good to sample. I sampled Kraftwerk myself for my songs I make on > my computer. I've been wanting to do that myself for some time. Do you make .MOD or /*-----------------------------------------------------------------------* | Soleil "Ra" Lapierre E-Mail: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | | WWW: http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Geek Code v3.1: GCS d-(?)(--) s:+>:- a-->? C++++ UL+>+++ P L>++ | | E>+++ W++>+++ N+(-) o?>+ K++ W+()>--- !O M--() V-- PS+ PE Y+>++ !PGP | | t++(+) 5++ X++>+++ R- tv b+(+++) DI++++(+++) D++>++++ G+ e+>+++ | | h(++)>- !r !y+ 54% nerd, 89% pure, M-B type INFJ | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*/ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 23:26:59 EDT Subject: Bizarre religious beliefs Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Check out http://sunsite.unc.edu/nge for what i'm talking about. Also, check out Brand Nubian's second album, "In God We Trust," as an example. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #655 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #656 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 7 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 656 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:19:00 +0200 (MST) Subject: Re: Saturday Night Live Really-From: Thomas Weckert On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) > > > > I don't know if this has been talked about, but I remember hearing > KW's "Electric Cafe" (the song) as background music on Saturday Night > Live for a hillarious skit called "Sprockets" (it was along running > skit). It was sped up real fast, but I could still recognize it. > Anybody else hear this?? Any info on it?? How come all these TV shows > use their music and never give them credit?? > > K.C. > I recently watched TV (what I don't do very often), and to my surprise, the german news channel N-TV uses for their intro of the daily report of the stock exchange market some sounds out of "Radioactivity"- strange?! Thomas ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:34:48 +0200 Subject: Really-From: xandreas@newton.ikp.liu.se The other day I saw a video by Sir Mix-a-lot on MTV, I think it was his latest single. Though Sir Mix-a-lot is a well known hip hop act the song sounded like a newly produced version of 'Numbers' with rap instead of the well known number-chat. In fact, the song was quite enjoyable... Comments? /Andreas, Sweden ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 09:37:27 +0000 Subject: Re: Ruckzuck Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > "Ruckzuck" is indeed a very old Kraftwerk song. This song went on > to become a live favorite of the band's, particularly in their earlier > concerts (1970-1975) in which they used to open with this song as > part of their sound checks. No, that song was "Kling-Klang". Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 06:28:13 -0500 Subject: New KW!? Really-From: "A. D. Alvarez" CD Banzai lists this in their Kraftwerk catalog: BRAND NEW ALBUM (TBA) CD $48.98 JAP TO TOCP-7914 Is this the new album this listerv has been talking about? :-) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 08:59:28 -0300 Subject: New KW!? (II) Really-From: Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) Two weeks ago a catalogue in a friend of mine's shop listed: KRAFTWERK "Deranged" $13.98 He ordered a lot of copies, but itsn't delivered until yesterday. Anyone knows something about this?? =8-) Carlos Jose Quinteiro (-8= carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br EAESP/FGV Brasil ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 08:36:18 -0400 Subject: RE: New KW!? Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." No. Nobody knows what that old listing actually is, not even CD Banzai. Lon >CD Banzai lists this in their Kraftwerk catalog: >BRAND NEW ALBUM (TBA) CD $48.98 JAP TO TOCP-7914 >Is this the new album this listerv has been talking about? :-) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 08:42:27 -0400 Subject: RE: New KW!? (II) Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >Two weeks ago a catalogue in a friend of mine's shop listed: >KRAFTWERK "Deranged" $13.98 >He ordered a lot of copies, but itsn't delivered until yesterday. >Anyone knows something about this?? > =8-) Carlos Jose Quinteiro (-8= The listing is probably spelled wrong. 'Deranged' is a song by 'Kraftwelt' not Kraftwerk. Lon ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 10:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Ruckzuck Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >> "Ruckzuck" is indeed a very old Kraftwerk song. This song went on >> to become a live favorite of the band's, particularly in their earlier >> concerts (1970-1975) in which they used to open with this song as >> part of their sound checks. > >No, that song was "Kling-Klang". No, I meant "Ruckzuck". I was referring to the passage of Bussy's book in chapter 2 (page 31 - English version) that says: "Side one opens with "Ruckzuck", a piece which was to become a live favorite of the group. They often started their early concerts with this track which is dominated by Schneider's breathy flute riff." and in chapter 5 (page 76 - English version) that says: "The typical set of this period began with "Ruckzuck" from the first LP which they continued to play as it was an ideal way for the group to tune their instruments." Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Life is timeless...Europe Endless..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 10:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: New KW!? (II) Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >Two weeks ago a catalogue in a friend of mine's shop listed: >KRAFTWERK "Deranged" $13.98 >He ordered a lot of copies, but itsn't delivered until yesterday. >Anyone knows something about this?? I could be off base here, but I *think* that the "Deranged" album you are speaking of is actually a new release by a band called KraftweLT, and not KraftweRK. I also got confused when I saw the listing for this release because Kraftwelt is on the Cleopatra record label which made the whole thing seem even more confusing. :o) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 10:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: New KW!? Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >CD Banzai lists this in their Kraftwerk catalog: >BRAND NEW ALBUM (TBA) CD $48.98 JAP TO TOCP-7914 >Is this the new album this listerv has been talking about? :-) If I'm not mistaken, this is probably just the Japanese re-issue of "Computer World" which features several bonus tracks at the end of it, including "Tour De France" which appears officially on a Kraftwerk CD for the first time! Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "I don't know what to do...what to do..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 10:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Samples, and KW1 & 2 Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >Well, I can handle ambient, as long as it's pretty electronic... Well, the first Kraftwerk album is not very electronic at all actually in comparison to their later material. It features Florian on electronic flute, violin, and some electronic percussion, Ralf on organ, and 2 other musicians (Andreas Hohmann and Klaus Dinger) on acoustic drums. 'Kraftwerk 2' features Ralf & Florian by themselves with a much more electronic effort than its predecessor. All the drums on this second album were produced by a drum machine, and the sounds are for the most part from the keyboards except for the occasional flute, guitar, etc., compliments of Florian. Finally, 'Ralf & Florian' is probably the most electronic of the 3 albums and the most obvious in foreshadowing what was the come later on for Kraftwerk. Track #3 ("Kristallo") even features a wonderful synth bass sound, the first of its kind to be used in a Kraftwerk song. All in all, I'd have to say that the first 2 KW albums are a cross between experimental and ambient, with a bit of a bent towards experimenting in sound. I hope this helps. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "...this city's made of light..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 11:19:10 -0300 Subject: RE: New KW!? (II) Really-From: Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) >The listing is probably spelled wrong. 'Deranged' is a song by 'Kraftwelt' >not Kraftwerk. What is Kraftwelt? =8-) Carlos Jose Quinteiro (-8= carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br EAESP/FGV Brasil ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 11:16:18 EDT Subject: Props part 2 Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Those shows don't give them props 'cause they're wankers, as British people might say. If KW got paid for every usage of their music, they'd be extremely rich. BTW, does anyone have the US sales figures for KW's albums? If they've never had a gold record (500,000 sold in US), why would their albums still be in print if no one but us die-hard fans buys 'em? Peace. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:31:43 +0200 (DFT) Subject: "Ruckzuck" vs. "Kling-Klang" Really-From: Klaus Zaepke > No, I meant "Ruckzuck". I was referring to the passage of Bussy's > book that says: > "The typical set of this period began with "Ruckzuck" from the first > LP which they continued to play as it was an ideal way for the group to tune > their instruments." This is one of the few little inaccuracies in Pascal Bussy's book. The typical opener from that period, documented through live tapes and concert reviews, was in fact "Kling-Klang". It is correct that the radio concert from Cologne, 22.03.1975, started with "Ruckzuck" (without tuning, though), but this was apparently an exception, possibly because they had to trim their set down to the length of the radio show. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 13:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: In New York we sit in a late nite cafe... Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" So, what's the story with the New York get-together so far? How many people on this list are game for it? Those who are, please email me privately so as to not take up space on the mailing list with this. I'm curious just to see how many we've got interested so far. I move that we all set up our own place in the city called the "Electric Cafe" where we'd serve great Trans Europe Espresso and play Kraftwerk all day! ;o) - -Scott- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 96 11:29:00 -0100 Subject: Movie? Really-From: per.hedetun@nostromo.ct.se (Per Hedetun) What's all this talk about a Kraftwerk movie? Are there actually plans for a motion picture about Kraftwerk, or are you just "dreaming away"? /Per Hedetun - per.hedetun@nostromo.ct.se - --- timEd/2 1.10+ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 14:20:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Props part 2 Really-From: "A. D. Alvarez" << If they've never had a gold record (500,000 sold in US), why would their albums still be in print if no one but us die-hard fans buys 'em? >> They haven't?? Maybe Kraftwerk has a standing in U.S. music culture/industry akin to Velvet Underground's--*enourmous* influence in both avant-pop and avant-garde circles (I once thought, hmm, Laurie Anderson and Depeche Mode could both cover "The Hall of Mirrors" without slipping too far from their musical personae and vocal range) but little or no mainstream attention whatsoever--a "cult" band. This is the only explanation I can think of besides the more mundane idea that backlist sales can keep even the most rarified of products in production and distribution. Maybe there are more of us out there, just much more casual about their interest. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:42:23 +0200 (DFT) Subject: The Success of "The Telephone Call" Really-From: Klaus Zaepke > Maybe Kraftwerk has a standing in U.S. music culture/industry akin to > Velvet Underground's--*enourmous* influence but little or no > mainstream attention. In 1987 it was reported in Germany that Kraftwerk would have a No. 1 hit with "The Telephone Call" in the "U.S. Club Charts" (?????). Is there any truth behind this? Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:48:34 -0700 Subject: Autobahn? Really-From: Alex Wilson Does anyone know of any records outlets that still have copies of Autobahn? It was deleted from the catalogue of whomever owns it, and I didn't get a chance to buy it before it disapeared. Needless to say, now I'm really kicking myself. Thanks for any help . . . ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 16:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The Success of "The Telephone Call" Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >In 1987 it was reported in Germany that Kraftwerk would have a No. 1 hit with >"The Telephone Call" in the "U.S. Club Charts" (?????). >Is there any truth behind this? I'm not sure whether it was reported or not, but unfortunately it never was such a hit here in the U.S. I wish it had been. That's a great song with real pop potential and I'm almost surprised that it didn't go much further here in the States. I've always felt that one of the main reasons why it failed to do so was due to the fact that it came just about 3 years too late. The unique 'pop' sound of "The Telephone Call" was huge in America between 1982 and 1984 (incidentally when "The Telephone Call" was originally supposed to be released on the 'TechnoPop' album). By the time 'Electric Cafe' actually came out in 1986, American Top 40 music had already begun to shift its attention away from the more 'synth-poppy' acts which had hit the charts big back in 1982-1984 like Depeche Mode ("People Are People"), Yaz ("Situation", "Don't Go"), Devo ("Whip It"), Men Without Hats ("Safety Dance") and into more rock-oriented and guitar-driven outfits a la Billy Joel ("A Matter Of Trust"), Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, and other assorted hard rock bands adored by teenagers everywhere. On one hand, it's always bothered me that Kraftwerk have always been so underplayed here in America, but on the other hand it's kind of nice in a selfish sort of way to have them all to ourselves. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "I program my home computer..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 16:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: "Ruckzuck" vs. "Kling-Klang" Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >This is one of the few little inaccuracies in Pascal Bussy's book. The >typical opener from that period, documented through live tapes and >concert reviews, was in fact "Kling-Klang". Ah, I see! So perhaps this is representative of the type of inaccuracies that caused KW to be somewhat miffed at Pascal when the book hit the stands, prompting the infamous reaction, "Your book...it's shit." Are there any other obvious or vague inaccuracies that you know about offhand? - -Scott- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 16:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Movie? Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >What's all this talk about a Kraftwerk movie? Are there actually plans for a >motion picture about Kraftwerk, or are you just "dreaming away"? Hee Hee - I thought this thread of discussion was old news already. :o) I had brought up the hypothetical situation a while back that said "If a movie were being made which documented the life story and career of Kraftwerk, which actors would you cast to play the roles of Ralf, Florian, Karl, and Wolfgang?" I wish there were such a movie being made, but let's face it, who else would go to see it aside from all of us? ;o) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Music Non Stop...Techno-Pop." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 03:43:15 +0200 Subject: Re: Samples, and KW1 & 2 Really-From: lbo >I'd have to say that the first 2 KW albums are a cross between experimental >and ambient, with a bit of a bent towards experimenting in sound. I hope well, we should also consider that these albums were released in the early '70s, a period in which the word "ambient" could not have had the meaning it has now. I agree on the experimental term, typical of the era, and, with avant-garde, would use progressive and psychedelic, to scandalize the all-electro-industrial K fan... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 23:36:24 EDT Subject: "The Telephone Call" in the US Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) The US club charts are divided into two parts: club play and 12 inch (30cm)/CD single sales. These charts in no way whatsoever reflect mainstream tastes. KW's only hit in the US was "Autobahn," which peaked at number 40 on the Billboard Top 100 in 1974. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 00:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: "The Telephone Call" in the US Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >mainstream tastes. KW's only hit in the US was "Autobahn," which peaked >at number 40 on the Billboard Top 100 in 1974. Yes, and with the 'Autobahn' album itself actually reaching the astounding peak of #5 on the U.S. charts!! I still find this amazing considering how much more potential many of Kraftwerk's later songs had for making a hefty impact on dance and club charts. Songs like "Trans-Europe Express" and "The Robots" really should have fared much better over here than they actually did, but I suppose the Beach Boys'ish qualities reminiscent in "Autobahn" are what pushed the song to its most successful position of any KW song on the U.S. charts. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn..." ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #656 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #657 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 9 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 657 Re: Samples, and KW1 & 2 Re: Book Cover and New York Kraftwerk Society "idea" Re: Da bomb! Inaccuracies in Bussy's book Re: Da bomb! Ralf Huetter WAV Some questions... Re: Autobahn? Re: Some questions... Re: Some questions... Re: Some questions... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 00:42:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Samples, and KW1 & 2 Really-From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) You wrote: > >Really-From: lbo > > >>I'd have to say that the first 2 KW albums are a cross between experimental >>and ambient, with a bit of a bent towards experimenting in sound. I hope > >well, we should also consider that these albums were released in the early >'70s, a period in which the word "ambient" could not have had the meaning it >has now. > >I agree on the experimental term, typical of the era, and, with avant-garde, >would use progressive and psychedelic, to scandalize the >all-electro-industrial K fan... I think that some of the stuff on KW1 actually sounds almost like Can in a way (with the real drum set and all). On the Krautrock mailing list everyone seems to refer to KW1 and sometimes KW2 as Krautrock(along with bands like Can, Faust, Cluster (or Kluster),etc.). So if you are a fan of Krautrock, you would love KW1 and KW2. I enjoy both Krautrock and electronic music (or better yet electronic Krautrock!) but I am very well rounded when it comes to music. When I first heard KW1, I fell in love with it. I just love how a band that is so technical and tight ('75 on) could be so experimental. It's like comparing Pink Floyd's albums now to their first with Syd Barret(Piper at the Gates of Dawn).......well if your a Pink Floyd fan you know what I mean. It's interesting to see how much a band can progress as the years go by. I mean from KW2 to R&F to Autobahn. What a big change. Well anyway, I'll stop blabbering. K.C. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:47:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Cover and New York Kraftwerk Society "idea" Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I'd be interested. I work in Manhattan; it would be easy for me to attend given enough advance notice. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:45:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Da bomb! Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I know the sheet music to "Autobahn" exists--I bought a copy for my brother years ago through Goldmine magazine. It was terribly abbreviated--no lyrics!--only the main musical themes and mothing else--but still, a cool artifact. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:20:45 +0000 Subject: Inaccuracies in Bussy's book Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" > >This is one of the few little inaccuracies in Pascal Bussy's book. > > Are there any other obvious or vague inaccuracies that you know about > offhand? Not offhand, sorry, but I remember that there was quite a number of little mistakes and inaccuracies, mainly such little details like the "Ruckzuck"/"Kling-Klang" one. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:01:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Da bomb! Really-From: Alex Wilson >I know the sheet music to "Autobahn" exists--I bought a copy for my brother >years ago through Goldmine magazine. It was terribly abbreviated--no >lyrics!--only the main musical themes and mothing else--but still, a cool >artifact. An extremely cool artifact. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 02:24:28 -0700 Subject: Ralf Huetter WAV Really-From: Christophe Leske Ralf Huetter WAV in german... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:42:05 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Some questions... Really-From: Christophe Leske Hi there, i got some questions i hope you can answer: i bought about a couple of years ago a cassette version of Pocket Calculator here in a record shop in Duesseldorf. Since then i=B4m not quite sure if it is a real release or just a hoax.=20 It features Pocket Calculator (Long version) on Side 1 and Dentaku/Numbers on Side 2. It states TC EMI 5175, the copyright is of 1981. Further it states Original sound recordings made by Golden Cloud Ltd. The pocket is printed with a pocket calculator image, the cassette is yellow with green writings. Is this a real release? How much is it worth? Thanks Christophe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 21:38:08 EDT Subject: Re: Autobahn? Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Most record stores have the Elektra re-issue of "Autobahn" on CD or on cassette with a Warner Bros. label outside and an Elektra cassette inside. Warner Bros. did issue the vinyl and cassette in 1985--if you look in stores that carry vinyl, you might be able to find it here (US). However, WB never issued AB on CD; when KW's WB catalog switched to Elektra in 1988, AB received its first US CD issue. BTW, I'd love to attend the "Electric Cafe," though I won't be in NYC until thanksgiving. I'd even work there when I attend film school! However, you'd have to play those early '80s "Electric Funk"-type tunes as well--real hip-hop heads would love it! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 21:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Some questions... Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >i bought about a couple of years ago a cassette version of Pocket >Calculator here in a record shop in Duesseldorf. Since then i=B4m not quite >sure if it is a real release or just a hoax.=20 Yes, the cassette version of "Pocket Calculator" that you have is indeed legitimate and is *not* a hoax or a bootleg. It was released officially only in the UK back in 1981 as a cassette single (EMI TC-EMI 5175) featuring the long version of "Pocket Calculator" on the first side with "Dentaku" and "Numbers" on the second side. Offhand I really don't know how much this cassette is worth on the market today, but it is certainly not a very common item to come across. Perhaps one of the other gents on the list would be able to estimate a possible value for you. There are many, many Kraftwerk releases like this which have become outdated and quite rare these days, but unfortunately, many of these items are worth even less than they cost when they first were released. One such item that jumps to mind is the cassette-only compilation called 'Robots' that Capitol Special Markets distributed back in 1986. This cassette (4XL-9445) is extremely difficult to find nowadays, and when I actually did stumble across it by accident in a discount tape bin a few years ago, it cost me two= dollars!! Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Interpol and Deutsche Bank...FBI and Scotland Yard..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 08 Aug 96 21:50:57 EDT Subject: Re: Some questions... Really-From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> > i bought about a couple of years ago a cassette version of Pocket > Calculator here in a record shop in Duesseldorf > Is this a real release? How much is it worth? I have that item too. It's an official release from the UK in 1981 - a time when record companies here were first experimenting with cassette singles. The other formats available were 7" and 12" vinyl, and I think I'd be correct in saying that it's certainly the rarest of these 3 releases. I'd guess it's value at around 25 UK Pounds - anyone else have an idea? BTW, there's also a UK cassette single of the first (1983) release of 'Tour De France'. STAGGMAN ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:14:27 +0000 Subject: Re: Some questions... Really-From: "Gustav Holmberg" > Really-From: Christophe Leske > > > > Hi there, i got some questions i hope you can answer: > i bought about a couple of years ago a cassette version of Pocket > Calculator here in a record shop in Duesseldorf. Since then i=B4m not qu= ite > sure if it is a real release or just a hoax. > It features Pocket Calculator (Long version) on Side 1 and Dentaku/Numbe= rs > on Side 2. It states TC EMI 5175, the copyright is of 1981. Further it > states Original sound recordings made by Golden Cloud Ltd. Golden Cloud Ltd is also stated as the copyright owner on the Computer World CD, whereas on other albums it is owned by a company called= Kling Klang. Does anyone know more about this difference? /G ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #657 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #658 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 9 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 658 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:58:31 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Just wondering... Really-From: Christophe Leske I was just wondering about the potential possibility that KW itself could be reading this mailing list... Neonlicht, schimmerndes Neonlicht, und wenn die Nacht anbricht, ist diese Stadt aus Licht... Christophe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:29:52 +0000 Subject: Re: Just wondering... Really-From: "Gustav Holmberg" > > I was just wondering about the potential possibility that KW itself > could be reading this mailing list... I am not sure, but I seem to remember that once, a couple of years or so ago, a Herr Jalass -- credited on The Mix -- posted a question to this list. Not Kraftwerk, but close. /G ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:32:17 +0000 Subject: Re: Just wondering... Really-From: "Gustav Holmberg" > Really-From: Christophe Leske =========== > > I was just wondering about the potential possibility that KW itself > could be reading this mailing list... You could print out the messages and pop over to Kling Klang ... :-) /Gustav - -------------------------------------------------------------- Gustav Holmberg, PhD student, History of Science and Ideas Lund University, Sweden. Gustav.Holmberg@fil.lu.se http://www.df.lth.se/~wilt ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:28:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Just wondering... Really-From: SCHALJO@aol.com unsubscribe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:35:42 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Just wondering... Really-From: Christophe Leske On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: "Gustav Holmberg" >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Really-From: Christophe Leske > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > >=20 > > I was just wondering about the potential possibility that KW itself > > could be reading this mailing list... >=20 > You could print out the messages and pop over to Kling Klang ... > :-) I have already thought about that. How about sending them a diskette with all the digests and stuff?=20 However, this could be very futile, since it=B4s Kraftwerk we=B4re talking about, an no normal music group.=20 >=20 > /Gustav > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Gustav Holmberg, PhD student, History of Science and Ideas > Lund University, Sweden. > Gustav.Holmberg@fil.lu.se http://www.df.lth.se/~wilt >=20 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:43:16 -0400 Subject: NYC Kraftwerk Society Update Really-From: JAMESDADA@aol.com Hey Scott and all! Here's the update on getting together. I'm awaiting a return call from my friend Mark F. (Owner of Otis and Mute Records Prez.) I should hear from him soon. We should set a date that's far enough in advance, just in case any out of towners would like to join us. I'm in a bit of a pickle right now as the magazine that I left my job at Warner Bros for folded and stiffed me out of pay and naturally, a great opportunity (At least I have Die Mensch Maschine to keep me happy and out of trouble). Therefore, my first priority is getting a new job. Let's agree on a late August date and I'll try to get some Kraftwerk types (their product manager from Elektra for one -- so we can harass him into giving us a release date and some other assorted crazies that would be a complement to our budding group). Scott: I'll e-mail you my phone number if you care to help organize what could be a cool night Take care, jd (In Hell's Kitchen we sit in a late night cafe....straight connection on the IRT) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 12:38:15 EDT Subject: "Robots" Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Wow! I found that tape last fall in Kingston, NY, at a Caldor store where I slaved for six months! However, it was duplicated at to fast a speed--it was not listenable; so I gave it to my girlfriend who was just getting into KW at the time. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:47:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: The juxtaposition of Bussy's mind and pen Really-From: Simon Godfrey There's recently been a bit of talk about Bussy's book on Kraftwerk, which I must say I very much enjoyed reading - despite the odd innacuracies. I'd certainly recommend it to anyone else interested in Kraftwerk. The only thing that bugged me about the book is the constant use of the word JUXTAPOSITION - there are probably more occurances of this word than of the name Kraftwerk. Perhaps the next person who reads it could count just exactly home many juxtapositions there are in the world of KW? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 09 Aug 96 16:10:45 EDT Subject: Re: Emil Schult Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> There is also a small picture of Emil Schult on the original inner sleeve/insert to vinyl copies of the 'Radio-Activity' LP, tucked away in one of the corners. It's also on the German CD copies of 'Radio-Aktivitaet' too. Ian Calder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "... where he discovered the image of himself" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 09 Aug 96 16:10:59 EDT Subject: Re: Vor dem Blauen Bock Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> >Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) > > I can not tell you anything about the song itself, but there is a TV-show in > Germany called "Der blaue Bock", featuring mainly German Folk-Music (Hum-Tata). > In the 60s that was a show for the whole family, today just elder people watch > it. I wonder, if Ralf and Florian had this TV-Show in their minds. The title 'Vor dem Blauen Bock' is not a Kraftwerk title - it is merely one dreamed up by the bootlegger of the Organisation CD. The song's correct title is 'Rueckstoss Gondoliere'. Ian Calder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Straight connection ... T.E.E." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 09 Aug 96 16:11:10 EDT Subject: Re: KW1, KW2 and R+F Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> > Really-From: Matthew Bruns > >On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Scottie wrote: > >> If all you're really well versed in when in comes to KW is the >> material from 1975-present, then KW1, KW2, and R&F will definitely NOT be >> what you're expecting. Their first 3 albums are different in that they are >> comprised of lengthy, often ambient mood pieces totally without words (with >> the exception of "Ananas Symphonie"). The consensus I have seen is that >> most of us KW fans share a deep affection for this old material as well, as >> it is a natural and fitting part of KW's musical evolution. > > Well, I can handle ambient, as long as it's pretty electronic... 'Ralf and Florian' has Mini-Moog written all over it - it's a softer mix of music than the first two LPs - the first two tend towards extremes of noise, whereas 'R+F' is more melodic - you can really tell the addition of a keyboard synth to their equipment. An article about the 'R+F' LP from Aktivitaet was published on the mailing list some time back and can be found in Digest no. Vol 2.544 If you're comfortable with the 'Autobahn' album then I would say that 'R+F' is complementary and worthy of investigating. KW1 and KW2 have less in common with the later KW sound but can be rewarding listening nonetheless, but approach with an open mind. Ian Calder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Tune into the melody ... " * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 09 Aug 96 16:40:46 EDT Subject: Re: Sheet music Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> > Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com > > I know the sheet music to "Autobahn" exists--I bought a copy for my brother > years ago through Goldmine magazine. It was terribly abbreviated--no > lyrics!--only the main musical themes and mothing else--but still, a cool > artifact. EMI Music Publising published the sheet music for 'The Model' in 1982 when it reached no.1 in the UK, a friend of mine bought it. The front page has the large colour picture on one side of the inner sleeve of 'The Man Machine'. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "(Sheet)Music ... Non Stop" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 09 Aug 96 16:40:57 EDT Subject: Re: 'Golden Cloud' Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> > Really-From: "Gustav Holmberg" > > Golden Cloud Ltd is also stated as the copyright owner on the > Computer World CD, whereas on other albums it is owned by a company called > Kling Klang. Does anyone know more about this difference? I've wondered about this myself. It seems to be only the UK releases that make mention of 'Golden Cloud'. The 1985 'Autobahn' re-issue states that the recordings are owned by Golden Cloud Ltd. A similar statement can also be found on the UK releases of 'Computer World' and 'Tour De France'. It only seems to be the UK issues that state this though. By 1986 it becomes 'Klingklang Produkt'. I don't know why the UK releases in particular have this info rather than just Kling Klang Ltd - maybe some business arrangement. But it's pretty certain that Golden Cloud is a Kraftwerk controlled entity, since I'm pretty certain that EMI would have milked at least one compilation by now had they the rights to. ;-) And why Golden Cloud? Could it be Ralf Huetter, referring to his fondness for Rolls-Royce cars?! It's mentioned in Pascal Bussy's book that he previously owned a Rolls-Royce, maybe some kind of Kraftwerk private-joke?! Ian Calder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "There's something living ... living in my limousine" (Bill Nelson) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 09 Aug 96 16:11:18 EDT Subject: Re: 'Kraftwerk 2' instrumentation Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> > Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > > 'Kraftwerk 2' features Ralf & Florian by themselves with a much more > electronic effort than its predecessor. All the drums on this second album > were produced by a drum machine, and the sounds are for the most part from > the keyboards except for the occasional flute, guitar, etc., compliments of > Florian. Hmmmm. I'm afraid that I have to disagree - to my ears at least, 'Kraftwerk 2' is far and away Kraftwerk's *least* electronics-based album. Granted, the rhythms are electronic - but only one track ('Kling Klang' has a recognisable rhythm pattern to it. As I hear it, this is the instrumentation of 'KW2'; 'Kling Klang' Opens with bell chimes/gongs/glockenspiel etc. Instrumentation is then bass guitar, electronic rhythm generator, electric piano (or similar) and flute for the next ten minutes or so. The next part of the tune is the slowed down section, where there is also a couple more sounds, one a keyboard of some sort and a less-identifiable, clunky metalic sound. By the songs end (the speeded up section) a couple of raucous electric guitars have joined in and also something like a violin (can't say for sure 100%). 'Atem' Just the sound of breathing through some sort of device. 'Strom' Electric Guitars, Bass Guitar and Flute. 'Spule 4' Bass Guitar, Electric Guitar(s) - through echo unit and with slide. Strings are also scraped. Other effects units (eg distortion) also used. 'Wellenlaenge' Same instrumentation as 'Spule 4' 'Harmonika' Self-explanatory, but slowed down. So, it's only 'Kling Klang' really that has much in the way of electronics and the guitars and bass guitar are in fact the primary colours rather than occasional. But the elctronic percussion is great - a really sweet sound, refined on 'Tanzmusik', 'Autobahn', 'Airwaves', 'Ohm Sweet Ohm' etc. All good stuff. BTW, the versions of 'Kling Klang' that KW performed during their 1974/75 shows (at least those I've heard on tape) have very little in common with the recorded outing from 'KW2'; mainly keyboard based and really very nice on occasions. Ian Calder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Electronic music sounds ... from Radioland." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 17:07:59 -0400 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #656 Really-From: Genepool@aol.com Hi Scott, I'm up for a Kraftwerk hang. During the week at night is better than weekends for me but, let me know what date you are thinking of. Steve ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 14:15:05 -0700 Subject: More Questions Really-From: Alex Wilson I read the faq indicating that any currently available CD copies of Kraftwerk I & II and R&F are bootleg copies. Has anything changed since then. And to repeat, Autobahn *has* been deleted from Elecktra's catalogue, at least here in the States. Does anyone know of any mail order places (especially on the Web) that still list this title (i.e. they have one or more copies left)? Any help would be much appreciated as this is a really fantastic album that I desparetly need to aquire. Thanks! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 17:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The juxtaposition of Bussy's mind and pen Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >There's recently been a bit of talk about Bussy's book on Kraftwerk, which I >must say I very much enjoyed reading - despite the odd innacuracies. I'd >certainly recommend it to anyone else interested in Kraftwerk. I'm agreed on this point. Despite any inaccuracies that the book may contain, be they obvious or vague, my hat still goes off to Pascal Bussy for going ahead and putting together a book in tribute to our favorite band and one of the most influential bands to date. >The only thing that bugged me about the book is the constant use of the word >JUXTAPOSITION - there are probably more occurances of this word than of the >name Kraftwerk. >Perhaps the next person who reads it could count just exactly home many >juxtapositions there are in the world of KW? Well, I count 7 times that the word "juxtaposition" or "juxtapose(d)" is used in the English language version of Bussy's book. :o) (For those of you interested, they appear on the following page numbers: 37, 43, 51, 51, 69, 100, and 103) Here's something I became curious about while leafing through the pages of Bussy's book today: Why is Wolfgang Flur the only person in the immediate world of Kraftwerk who was not thanked, acknowledged, or namechecked for having contributed any info or interview to the book? Everyone else seems to be accounted for including Ralf, Florian, Karl, Emil Schult, Maxime Schmitt, Paul Alessandri, etc., but not Wolfgang Flur. Does anyone know why this is the case? Did Wolfgang purposely not wish to contribute to the making of the book? (I mean sure - he really didn't like being on that bicycle in the Tour De France video, but how long can someone hold a grudge? Just kiddin') :o) As long as I'm on a light note here, I may as well mention that I was watching the Montel Williams talk show just a little while ago and I found the perfect look-alike to play Ralf in my hypothetical KW movie. Unfortunately, this particular individual was on the panel for having cheated on his wife multiple times. Oh well, back to the ol' drawing board... Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "L'enfer du Nord Paris - Roubaix..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 18:53:30 -0500 Subject: Re: More Questions Really-From: "A. D. Alvarez" Hi Alex :) I just ordered a copy of AUTOBAHN (the import) theough Entertainment Connection on the Web: http://econnection.com/ They're the cheapest listed online--a few others carry it too but usually for over 30 dollars! Aldo ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 19:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: More Questions Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >I read the faq indicating that any currently available CD copies of >Kraftwerk I & II and R&F are bootleg copies. Has anything changed since then. Nope. Despite the fact that Ralf and Florian have (in the past) discussed the possibility of re-issuing their early albums on CD, nothing has yet to surface from these discussions. So, to this date, the only available CD copies of KW1, KW2, and R&F are indeed bootlegs, the most popular of which being the Germanofon versions. >And to repeat, Autobahn *has* been deleted from Elecktra's catalogue, at >least here in the States. Does anyone know of any mail order places >(especially on the Web) that still list this title (i.e. they have one or >more copies left)? Any help would be much appreciated as this is a really >fantastic album that I desparetly need to aquire. Thanks! Are you talking about getting 'Autobahn' on CD or on vinyl? There are still copies of the Elektra compact disc of 'Autobahn' from 1985 floating around in music stores all over the place. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu ""Wenn wellen schwingen ferne stimmen singen..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 19:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Computers and Crime? Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" I've just paid a visit to the Infobahr and I noticed something in the transcribed lyrics of "Computer World" that caught my eye. The lyric page in the Infobahr contains the line "Crime Travel Communication Entertainment". As far as I know, the actual lyric to the song is "TIME Travel...". Is this just an error on the lyric page or have I been hearing the wrong word all these years? I suppose that computers have made quite a substantial impact on the world of crime-fighting, but I just felt that "time" makes more sense. After all, watches are computers all of their own! Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Crime Travel Communication Entertainment..." ;o) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 20:02:50 EDT Subject: Kraftwerk on WB in the US Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) >>> And to repeat, Autobahn *has* been deleted from Elektra's catalog, at least here in the States. <<< Word? That's news to me. Like I said, I have the WB cassette. I did find, however, CW and EC again on WB (at least from the outside--I haven't seen the insides--the might say Elektra inside) with the old barcodes. During my travels over the winter and spring (I was volunteering on kibbutz in Israel), a Swiss person said that they could get the album "Techno Pop" on CD--in Switzerland. Can anyone corroborate this???? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 21:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: 'Kraftwerk 2' instrumentation Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >So, it's only 'Kling Klang' really that has much in the way of >electronics and the guitars and bass guitar are in fact the primary colours >rather than occasional. But the elctronic percussion is great - a really >sweet sound, refined on 'Tanzmusik', 'Autobahn', 'Airwaves', 'Ohm Sweet >Ohm' etc. All good stuff. Very true, but I suppose the fact that "Klingklang" takes up all of 17 minutes and change kind of shaped the way I've always seen the album on the whole, causing me to view it as slightly more electronic than the first KW album. There isn't one particular track that dominates 'Kraftwerk', and all 4 tracks on that album (1970) tend to have a good deal of acoustic instrumentation prevalent. I guess it's just by comparison and the lengthy domination of "Klingklang" that caused me to think of 'Kraftwerk 2' as a more electronic effort. 'Ralf & Florian' is certainly much more revealing in terms of being Kraftwerk's first real electronic product however. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "The artist is living in the mirror with the echoes of himself..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 21:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk on WB in the US Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >During my travels over the winter and spring (I was volunteering on >kibbutz in Israel), a Swiss person said that they could get the album >"Techno Pop" on CD--in Switzerland. Can anyone corroborate this???? Not that I'm an authority on this matter, but as far as I know the album 'Technopop' never even made it to be pressed on vinyl, let alone compact disc. All I've understood is that the album got as far as to be given a catalog number by EMI back around the summer of 1983 when it was scheduled for release, but it never actually surfaced and no copies are known to exist anywhere. In any event, it wouldn't really be anything we haven't heard except alternate versions of songs from 'Electric Cafe'. As just about all of you already know, 'Technopop' was basically going to be the same track listing as 'Electric Cafe', with the deletion of the song "Electric Cafe" and the addition of the song "Tour De France" in its place. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Leave Paris in the morning with T.E.E." ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #658 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #659 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 10 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 659 ---Germanofon--- Re: Just wondering... Re: ---Germanofon--- Re: Just wondering... Re: Just wondering... AUTOBAHN? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:26:31 -0700 Subject: ---Germanofon--- Really-From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) I don't think anybody read the post where I stated that Germanofon Records went out of business. Everyone seems to talk about KW1 and KW2 like you can pick 'em off a tree. Every record store in the L.A. area that ever carried it said either "we can't get it anymore" or "Germanofon went out of business". The mail order catalog I ordered it from also said they only had 1 copy left of KW1 and KW2 and couldn't get it again. So now it is TOTALLY out of print, legitemate or non. So any places that have it only have what they have. I called Ajax Records in Chicago - they said they went out of business. You can't get it anymore. Well at least in the States - I don't know about Europe, but I'm pretty sure they went out of business. Better hurry up and find it, cause pretty soon you won't see it anymore. K.C. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 21:43:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Just wondering... Really-From: stdwle@unx1.shsu.edu (W. Ladd Ellett) >all the digests and stuff? > > >However, this could be very futile, since it=B4s Kraftwerk we=B4re talking >about, an no normal music group. I am tired of waiting. Anyone on this list who is skeptical of K'werk actually reading this is foolish. Maybe not every day, like us, but sometimes...they read this list if ANY of what they said in the lyrics of CW are true. Gentlemen, you are waiting for a group of musicians that do not give a damn about you. If they did, they would have let you know what's occuring. As I remember, there was at least *some* forknowledge of Electric Cafe. If this is an original album, unlike "The Mix", (a half hearted attempt at best, if you listen to the originals), then we should know about it! I'm sorry, but have been on the edge of my seat for too long. If they come out with a new release tomorrow at 7 A.M. I will be happy, but wont rush out to buy it. They have made me wait too long, and I am indignant as can be. Kraftwerk is getting left behind. At one time they were cutting edge, then they were an exeptional anomally in the music world. Now they are old men dragging there feet. Damn it hurts me to say that, but its from deference to all the silent members of this list and all the wonderful people who have been patiently awaiting *word* of whats going on (Not an ALBUM, oh no). As I said - I hope with all my heart that I am wrong, but have been strung along too long to even have hope of anything substantial (I.e. Man Machine or CW) from Kraftwerk anymore... I will remain on this list to accept and answer flames and STILL wish for a new album. Maybe we should all just listen to the albums we have and not worry about anything new.... Yours apoligetically, W.L.Ellett Email:stdwle@shsu.edu Web Page:http://www.shsu.edu/~stdwle/ "Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 23:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: ---Germanofon--- Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > I don't think anybody read the post where I stated that Germanofon >Records went out of business. Everyone seems to talk about KW1 and KW2 >like you can pick 'em off a tree. Every record store in the L.A. area >that ever carried it said either "we can't get it anymore" or >"Germanofon went out of business". The mail order catalog I ordered it >from also said they only had 1 copy left of KW1 and KW2 and couldn't >get it again. So now it is TOTALLY out of print, legitemate or non. I had read the initial post regarding the matter of Germanofon going out of business. I think that people (including myself) have continued to discuss these bootlegs because even though they may now be out of print, there are still leftover copies of them floating around in various sources. "Out of print" simply means that there are no new copies being produced any longer, but there are still copies already in existence which can be tracked down if people look in the right places. For instance, it is still possible to get a hold of the Germanofon bootlegs here in some of the bootleg outfits in New York City, particularly in Greenwich Village. So, while Germanofon may be no longer, already existent copies of the bootlegs still are. Get 'em while you can! :o) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "By pressing down a special key it plays a little melody..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 00:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Just wondering... Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >CW are true. Gentlemen, you are waiting for a group of musicians that do >not give a damn about you. If they did, they would have let you know what's >occuring. As far as this is concerned, I feel that it would be both unprofessional and highly out of character for the members of Kraftwerk to correspond with people on an internet mailing list, supposing that they read the posts on this list. I for one, doubt that Ralf & Florian have the time to spare looking over posts on a mailing list comprised of their fans. Even if they were to see this mailing list, it is highly unlikely that they would ever contribute to the discussions by posting. We all know that these individuals are extremely difficult to get a hold of and they lead rather private lives. While the Internet itself may be a Kraftwerkian concept, their personal interaction with us would certainly not be. >it! I'm sorry, but have been on the edge of my seat for too long. If they >come out with a new release tomorrow at 7 A.M. I will be happy, but wont >rush out to buy it. They have made me wait too long, and I am indignant as >can be. Kraftwerk is getting left behind. Kraftwerk will only be left behind when the fans begin to ignore what contributions they have given us that continue to ring the bells of intrigue and revolution. If Kraftwerk never release a new album again, I'll love and respect them just the same for what unshakable impact they've already made on my life and my art. And if they should come out with a new release tomorrow at 7 A.M., I'll be right there on the line, standing in your place outside of the record store. :o) >At one time they were cutting >edge, then they were an exeptional anomally in the music world. Now they >are old men dragging there feet. Kraftwerk has always been cutting edge because they've always been ahead of their time. If they don't put a new album out, it will not change that fact. Why is it that when an inventor offers the world one revolutionary device, he can become legendary and celebrated in history texts for centuries to come, but Kraftwerk needs to have a *new* album in order to prevent them from becoming "old men dragging their feet"? They have already revolutionized the world of electronic music and the world of music itself. Their offerings have been groundbreaking and that is the reason why they have attained classic and legendary status in my book. They need not prove their worth to me with another new album. They have already earned their place as legendary. If anything that I'm saying here is worded strongly, I apologize as I do not mean for my response to in any way be a lashing out or a flame at the person who originally posted the message I am responding to. I just feel that we owe Kraftwerk more than to let the potential of a new album alter our feelings for them or their status in our minds. I would be the last person in the world that would want to see Kraftwerk disband, but if it happened it would not change my love for them and for what they have given us. >new album. Maybe we should all just listen to the albums we have and not >worry about anything new.... I don't think that any of us should be "worrying" anyway. There's nothing to worry about at all - if Kraftwerk puts out a new album, GREAT - then I'll celebrate! If they don't - I'll *still* celebrate, because I feel that Kraftwerk are the best band ever and I'll never grow tired of listening to their music. Remember, those of you Ray Bradbury fans out there - what lesson did we all learn from "I Sing The Body Electric"? Robots are like humans but with one important difference - they'll never die. :O) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Even the greatest stars live their lives in the looking glass..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 22:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Just wondering... Really-From: Matthew Bruns On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > As far as this is concerned, I feel that it would be both > unprofessional and highly out of character for the members of Kraftwerk to > correspond with people on an internet mailing list, supposing that they read > the posts on this list. I would hope that they're not out there. It's just an eerie thought. > I for one, doubt that Ralf & Florian have the time > to spare looking over posts on a mailing list comprised of their fans. Ahem. Too busy doing what? Bicycling? ;) > Kraftwerk will only be left behind when the fans begin to ignore > what contributions they have given us that continue to ring the bells of > intrigue and revolution. If Kraftwerk never release a new album again, I'll > love and respect them just the same for what unshakable impact they've > already made on my life and my art. And if they should come out with a new > release tomorrow at 7 A.M., I'll be right there on the line, standing in > your place outside of the record store. :o) Exactly! I have no idea what they could even do any longer to innovate - that's handled fairly well by dance music as it is. Either they could do some really neat synthpop or perhaps some nice rhythm experimentation... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 22:48:35 -0700 Subject: AUTOBAHN? Really-From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) Does anybody know of an on-line catalog where I can order "Autobahn" on CD. I am aware that this is out of print in the US. Thank You! K.C. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #659 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #660 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 10 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 660 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:09:11 +0000 Subject: Re: Kraftwerk on WB in the US Really-From: "Gustav Holmberg" There _are_ bootleg versions of 1983 versions of Techno Pop and Sex Object floating around; they're supposed to be available on some bootleg cd's (which I haven't seen myself, though). Perhaps that was what the Swiss person was referring to? The existence of "copies of test pressings" of Techno Pop etc is one very persistent rumour. I agree with Scott, that this rumour is totally unfounded. Where the noisy 1983 recordings come from is unknown to me. Pascal Bussy mention that KW gave demotapes of the Techno Pop album to some DJ:s; perhaps that's how the sounds trickled out of Kling Klang. Tune in to the melody at http://www.cs.umu.se/studenter/kraftwerk/Audio/audio_kraftwerk.html /Gustav > > >During my travels over the winter and spring (I was volunteering on > >kibbutz in Israel), a Swiss person said that they could get the album > >"Techno Pop" on CD--in Switzerland. Can anyone corroborate this???? > > Not that I'm an authority on this matter, but as far as I know the > album 'Technopop' never even made it to be pressed on vinyl, let alone > compact disc. All I've understood is that the album got as far as to be > given a catalog number by EMI back around the summer of 1983 when it was > scheduled for release, but it never actually surfaced and no copies are > known to exist anywhere. In any event, it wouldn't really be anything we > haven't heard except alternate versions of songs from 'Electric Cafe'. As > just about all of you already know, 'Technopop' was basically going to be > the same track listing as 'Electric Cafe', with the deletion of the song > "Electric Cafe" and the addition of the song "Tour De France" in its place. > > Robotically Yours, > Scott M. Barnhill > mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu > "Leave Paris in the morning with T.E.E." > > > ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 12:29:39 +0200 Subject: KW posting on mailing lists [was Re: Just wondering...] Really-From: Paulo Mouat On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > As far as this is concerned, I feel that it would be both > unprofessional and highly out of character for the members of > Kraftwerk to correspond with people on an internet mailing list, > supposing that they read the posts on this list. I don't see why would they be 'out of character' and 'unprofessional.' For one, if they enjoy the concept of communication, as Florian once stated, they should be interested in alternate forms of communication. A mailing list seems to be the perfect way to keep contact with a select group of fans without them getting all over you in person. As other groups have staff to deal with fan-mail and so on, it would be a small step to have one or two assistants just to deal with the incoming e-mail and filter the 'Hello Ralf I am big fan!' and 'When will a new album come' messages. This would compromise in a little bit their 'unreachable' attribute (which, let's assume, gives them a certain edge and serves for us fans to regard them as even more fascinating), but the gain would be immense. Think of the possibility of measuring the feedback their music has, or of evaluating the ideas the music transmits, and all this right 'in the field.' Other very select bands have transcended this barrier, were subject to interviews via IRC with questions from the fans (Front Line Assembly) or even have personal e-mail posting announcements or important messages (Skinny Puppy/Download, upon the untimely death of one of their members) and being generally open to fan questioning. I think the Internet community has the power and will to be civilized with this kind of useful features. Even if they wouldn't want to bother with direct communication, they could provide a site with their own experimenting in computer graphics and general guidelines for the fans. That would surely be a fine complement to the music, bridging the gap between live show presentations and CD listening. All this would be unprofessional, 'uncool' or out of character? I think not. They would certainly perpetuate the cult of Kraftwerk, as is their own intentions: 'With the resources we have now in the studio, anyone could continue our effort in 2050' (Ralf). Certainly not a statement for anyone who desires to keep their music and imagery locked behind the secure door of KK (and under their authoritative eye). On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Matthew Bruns wrote: > I have no idea what they could even do any longer to innovate - that's > handled fairly well by dance music as it is. That's precisely what innovation is all about--you can't predict what's next ;-) Cheers! - -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 15:31:33 +0200 Subject: Re: KW Samples Really-From: lbo At 19:28 05/08/96 +0200, you wrote: >KML>I don't know about the rest of you, but I for one delight in finding >KML>music that heavily samples Kraftwerk. It's the next best thing to >KML>real Kraftwerk. > >Kraftwerk are good to sample. I sampled Kraftwerk myself for my songs I= make on >my computer. listen listen... I too used to sample K when I was playing with samplers and stuffs in '89... I remember to have used Telephon Call, Nummern, Musique Non Stop... the piece with Telephon call also made use of a '60s falsetto choir... really kitsch, and anyway just assembled to have fun with poor equipments. I remember that to make jokes of a real crazy-fanatic K collector he knows, a friend of mine proposed me to simulate a fake K new lp of remixes, and to sell him at prices... it seems it could have been a good idea... anyway that's what happen when you wish for more K material, you start doing it yourself... :-) if other people here took fun with K sampling we could even put up "Listen to the List - a Kraftwerk tribute"... > >Greetinx > >Timo K. aus L. > >--- >"Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Tr=E4ger von Ideen." > Kraftwerk: Technopop > > ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 15:31:28 +0200 Subject: Re: Da bomb! Really-From: lbo >I know the sheet music to "Autobahn" exists--I bought a copy for my brother >years ago through Goldmine magazine. It was terribly abbreviated--no >lyrics!--only the main musical themes and mothing else--but still, a cool >artifact. you mean... no doors shutting, no engine starting, no clackson beeping... how can it be Autobahn... :-o :-)) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:05:32 EDT Subject: "Techno Pop" Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) >>> Not that I'm an authority on this matter, but as far as I know the album 'Techno Pop' never even made it to be pressed on vinyl, let alone compact disc. All I've understood is that the album got as far as to be given a catalog number by EMI back around the summer of 1983 when it was scheduled for release, but it never actually surfaced and no copies are known to exist anywhere. In any event, it wouldn't really be anything we haven't heard except alternate versions of songs from 'Electric Cafe'. As just about all of you already know, 'Techno Pop' was basically going to be the same track listing as 'Electric Cafe', with the deletion of the song "Electric Cafe" and the addition of the song "Tour De France" in its place. <<< Word???? As I recall, WB gave TP a catalog # for its US release as well (I think it's in the discography on the web page that lead me to this discussion group). But I also remember the longbox from CW that stated the existence of this album several times in the "about the artist" blurb that was prevalent on all the WB CDs that were released during the early days of the compact disc. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:48:11 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Really-From: Christophe Leske subscribe leske@sunserver1.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 12:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: KW posting on mailing lists Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >For one, if they enjoy the concept of communication, as Florian once >stated, they should be interested in alternate forms of communication. >A mailing list seems to be the perfect way to keep contact with a select >group of fans without them getting all over you in person. For starters, Kraftwerk probably consider the Internet to be a dated medium by this time. Either way, we're talking about someone like Florian who absolutely used to despise being publicly accessible, hence his little crises prior to playing live shows and his reluctance to play future ones. Ralf and Florian have both gone out of their way to make themselves as scarce as possible, and this goes back to well before the Internet was around. For them to speak up on a mailing list such as this would be a breaking out of that lifestyle and therefore out of character for them. There are some groups that *will* respond in person when you contact them out here (like Psykosonik, KMFDM, etc.), but none of these bands are of the same calibre as Kraftwerk in terms of long standing success, international appeal, and impact. >This would compromise in a little bit their 'unreachable' attribute >(which, let's assume, gives them a certain edge and serves for us fans >to regard them as even more fascinating), but the gain would be immense. No doubt that it would. I'm with you there. :o) >Other very select bands have transcended this barrier, were subject to >interviews via IRC with questions from the fans (Front Line Assembly) >or even have personal e-mail posting announcements or important >messages (Skinny Puppy/Download, upon the untimely death of one of their >members) and being generally open to fan questioning. True, but these are bands which have never been particularly anti-social to begin with (despte their angst-laden music), and they have also never amassed the same impactive status of Kraftwerk. These are all electronic/industrial bands who owe their very music to the developments made by Kraftwerk years before them. They have spawned out of what Kraftwerk had started. It seems that KW have never been 'generally open' to fan questioning, interviews, band photographs, or even live concerts for that matter! >I think the Internet community has the power and will to be civilized >with this kind of useful features. Even if they wouldn't want to bother >with direct communication, they could provide a site with their own >experimenting in computer graphics and general guidelines for the fans. Well, there's a few possible ways to look at this: 1) Ralf & Florian don't really feel that it's necessary to take the time and sift through all the posts trying to find the worthwhile ones, 2) Ralf & Florian simply aren't very interested in the wants of their fan base, 3) Ralf & Florian do not even read this mailing list. My guess would be #3. The way I see it, Ralf and Florian are following in the tradition of true genius. When one looks back to the psychological profiles of some of the world's greatest artists, musicians, scientists, and so on, one finds that these individuals were for a large part rather closed off and anti-social, something like robots. I don't hold these qualities against them at all - in fact I kind of like them that way. That's the Kraftwerk I know and love! :o) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Nous sommes les mannequins..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 12:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: KW Samples Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >if other people here took fun with K sampling we could even put up "Listen >to the List - a Kraftwerk tribute"... I'm actually somewhat surprised that this list hasn't experienced this sort of activity yet! It's probably safe to say that there are a fair number of musicians on any musically related mailing list, so why not put together some kind of a compilation with list members' cover versions of their favorite Kraftwerk songs? I've actually instituted this activity as a contest on the mailing list that I run for the band Rise Robots Rise, and the results from the fans were at the very least interesting! Anyway, why not - I've got about 6 or 7 cover versions of Kraftwerk songs sitting on a 3.5" over here in the studio right now. :o) In any event, it's a great way to get people's minds off the idea of there being a new KW album. Hee Hee... Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Wir sind die roboter..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 12:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Top 10 Questions. :o) Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Fellow Kraftwerkians, The discussion we've been having about the possibility of KW actually reading the posts on this mailing list had prompted me to come up with this idea for fun. Those of you who are familiar with David Letterman's Late Show on CBS know that he presents his infamous and cynical "Top 10" list every evening. So, entertaining the possibility that Ralf & Florian did indeed answer fan mail, here's one look at the top 10 types of questions that they would NOT want to receive. Any additions are welcome. :o) 1. What kind of keyboards do you use? 2. Why didn't you make "Autobahn" a normal length for a song? 3. Do you have a serious obsession with mannequins and stuff? 4. To Ralf and Florian: What's your favorite food? 5. Do you two really hate Wolfgang and Karl? 6. How did you guys make the oscillator do that cool sound in "Neon Lights"? 7. My fave KW song is "Geiger Counter". Why didn't you release it as a single? 8. Is it uncomfortable performing live in a suit and tie? 9 . Where can I get the official 'Kraftwerk calculator' from Texas Instruments? and finally, #10: 10. How long did it take you 2 to finish the 'Esperanto' album? I love it! Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill ;o) mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Je suis l'operateur du mini calculateur..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 12:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: "Techno Pop" Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >Word???? As I recall, WB gave TP a catalog # for its US release as well >(I think it's in the discography on the web page that lead me to this >discussion group). But I also remember the longbox from CW that stated >the existence of this album several times in the "about the artist" blurb >that was prevalent on all the WB CDs that were released during the early >days of the compact disc. Whoa nellie - guess what I just found in my studio tucked away in one of the drawers: the actual blurb from the longbox of 'Computer World'. Damn, I didn't realize I was this organized. Anyway, yes, you recall the blurb correctly. Let me reprint that passage of the longbox blurb for those people who have never read it: "Besides AUTOBAHN (which has spawned the self-titled top 30 single), Kraftwerk's successes include TRANS-EUROPE EXPRESS, THE MAN MACHINE, RADIO ACTIVITY plus the international hit single "Tour de France" from the band's 1984 LP, TECHNO-POP." So, there you have it. At the time the 'Computer World' longbox was put together, 'TECHNO-POP' was still expected to be a reality. This leads me to believe that this particular CW longbox was put together sometime in 1983, following the release of the single "Tour de France" but prior to the suspension and cancellation of the scheduled 'Techno-Pop' album. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Sonido electronico...Decibel sintetico..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 96 01:18:00 -0100 Subject: Saturday Night Live Really-From: per.hedetun@nostromo.ct.se (Per Hedetun) Michael P Maloney wrote the following to All: MPM> I don't know if this has been talked about, but I remember MPM> hearing KW's "Electric Cafe" (the song) as background music on MPM> Saturday Night Live for a hillarious skit called "Sprockets" (it MPM> was along running skit). It was sped up real fast, but I could MPM> still recognize it. Anybody else hear this?? Any info on it?? Of course it was Kraftwerk's "Electric Café" they used. The whole skit was very much inspired by Kraftwerk, I think. The host of "Sprockets" was very robotic as well; "- Tonite, Sprockets, vill also be seen on Süd-Deutscher Rundfunk Netzwerk, Bremen Allgemeine Rundfunk, und Die Volkskanaal von Bayern! Vellkome!"... Hilarious! :-) The "dancers" (weird!) at the end of the skit looked a lot like the Kraftwerk members, IMO. MPM> How come all these TV shows use their music and never give them MPM> credit?? I'm not really sure, but I think that the copyright laws says that if you use less than 30 seconds of a song, you don't have to pay for it or give credits for it. That's the law here in Sweden, anyway... /Per Hedetun - per.hedetun@nostromo.ct.se - --- timEd/2 1.10+ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 14:55:27 -0700 Subject: KW Samples/TRIBUTE? Really-From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) You wrote: > >Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > > > >>if other people here took fun with K sampling we could even put up "Listen >>to the List - a Kraftwerk tribute"... > > I'm actually somewhat surprised that this list hasn't experienced >this sort of activity yet! It's probably safe to say that there are a fair >number of musicians on any musically related mailing list, so why not put >together some kind of a compilation with list members' cover versions of >their favorite Kraftwerk songs? I've actually instituted this activity as a >contest on the mailing list that I run for the band Rise Robots Rise, and >the results from the fans were at the very least interesting! Anyway, why >not - I've got about 6 or 7 cover versions of Kraftwerk songs sitting on a >3.5" over here in the studio right now. :o) In any event, it's a great way >to get people's minds off the idea of there being a new KW album. Hee Hee... > >Robotically Yours, >Scott M. Barnhill >mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu >"Wir sind die roboter..." I run a small tape label and I am in two bands. I bet I could release a sort of "Mailing List Kraftwerk Tribute" on cassette. Although I doubt any of you would like MY covers of the songs. Guitar-Bass-Drums-Vox - That's all. Like avant garde/rock/noise versions of "The Robots", "Radiowaves", or "Ruckzuck". I don't think a lot of you realize how many different kinds of music Kraftwerk has inspired. Take for example noise/industrial veterans Big Black. Have you heard their version of "the Model"? Or the extreme noise band Harry Pussy. They have a SCARY and interesting version of "Showroom Dummies". Kraftwerk with screamed vocals, uncontrollable feedback, and out of tune guitars!!! It's great. Yeah I would love to organize a sort of Kraftwerk Tribute. We could have all kinds of different bands doing their own versions of KW songs. If anybody is REALLY interested, not just in talking about it.......let me know!! K.C. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 18:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: KW Samples/TRIBUTE? Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >Yeah I would love to organize a sort of Kraftwerk Tribute. We could >have all kinds of different bands doing their own versions of KW songs. Well, I'm cool with that. Like I mentioned before, I've already got a few KW covers sitting on a floppy disk over here that I programmed some time ago. Off the top of my head, these are the ones I remember doing: Tour de France The Telephone Call The Robots Radio-Activity Hall Of Mirrors Trans-Europe Express If I were to actually submit one of my covers for some kind of a compilation or tribute of sorts, I'd have to first pick a song to cover that doesn't require any lyrical component. I don't have direct access to any vocoders or robots over here, and I'm not about to try and give my best Ralf Huetter impression. Perhaps a nice instrumental like "Transistor" would be more in order. Or, I could try to get out of doing too much work and cover "Geiger Counter" instead. ;o) Seriously though, I think the tribute tape is a good idea and would be interested in hearing other musician's work. By the way, this is an aside but I figure that some of you may be interested in taking a look. The question was raised by one of you about whether or not 'Autobahn' can be found in any of the on-line CD stores. Well, I took a look in some of those on-line stores earlier and unfortunately, no 'Autobahn' in any of them. However, I did find one store that still lists the Germanofon bootlegs of 'Kraftwerk 2' and 'Ralf & Florian' in their catalog. They list the Pascal Bussy book as well, in addition to some of the regular KW discs like 'Radio-Activity' and 'The Man Machine'. So, for those of you interested in checking out this place, their name is AB-CD Planetwide CD. They can be accessed by going through Yahoo: http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/music/companies Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Ja tvoi sluga, ja tvoi rabotnik..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 18:36:54 -0400 Subject: Autobahn out of print? Really-From: RENEGAR I beg to differ, but Autobahn is NOT out of print in the U.S. I have been to 7 loal stores this week (to browse) and noticed about 10 copies of it. Renegar in Chattanooga, TN. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 19:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Autobahn out of print? Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > I beg to differ, but Autobahn is NOT out of print in the U.S. I have >been to 7 loal stores this week (to browse) and noticed about 10 copies of it. Yes, my reaction to hearing about 'Autobahn' being out of print was the same as yours. This mailing list was the first place I heard anything about it and even if it were true that it's out of print and there are no more being made, there are still copies of it in record stores all over the place here in New York and in other parts of the U.S. So, anyone searching for 'Autobahn' should be able to find it without too much of a dilemma. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "You are so close but far away..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 20:31:02 EDT Subject: Re: AUTOBAHN? Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) We were just discussing this, and we came to the conclusion that it's STILL on CD in the US. Order ELEKTRA 25326, and you should get it. Scott, I believe that CW was released in 1985 on CD, therefore TP had to have existed (the blurb doesn't say "forthcoming" in regard to TP if the CD was released in 1983). The badinage on the longbox leads me to believe that TP actually existed--thanks for reprinting the blurb, though. Those who buy the US version of CW today would see a truncated version of the same blurb on the back of the jewel box, w/o any mention of their other albums. KC, did you check out http://sunsite.unc.edu/nge yet? That's what I was talking about, and it's probably why many of hip-hop's best producers wouldn't dream of remixing our favorite band--click on where it says "God-Hop." How 'bout a top 10 list of KW-sampled or -esque songs? You'd have to include the following: "Al-Naafiysh"--Hashim "Electric Kingdom"--Twilight 22 "Ride"--Sir Mix-A-Lot "Bango"--The Todd Terry Project "Planet Rock"--Afrika Bambaataa & Soul Sonic Force Any other additions? Peace. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 19:24:43 -0700 Subject: NEWSGROUPS Really-From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) Hey all. I was the one who wrote about a possible Kraftwerk tape tribute. I really want to do this. Anyway, could anyone list some Newsgroups I could post to concerning the gathering of material for this project?? I'm not really into the whole techno/electronic world of music (except for Kraftwerk and Front 242) and only know a few newsgroups off-hand I could post to. Also, how come Kraftwerk doesn't have a newsgroup. There is a newsgroup called "alt.green-day.sucks" and there is no Kraftwerk NG. I mean this Mailing list is pretty damn active, and I bet a newsgroup could get even the quiet ones to speak up. Anyway...... K.C. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #660 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #661 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 11 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 661 Re: Autobahn out of print? Re: NEWSGROUPS Re: KW Samples Re: KW posting on mailing lists Re: KW Samples/TRIBUTE? Re: Top 10 Questions. :o) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 21:56:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Autobahn out of print? Really-From: Alex Wilson >>I beg to differ, but Autobahn is NOT out of print in the U.S. I have been >>to 7 local stores this week (to browse) and noticed about 10 copies of it. > > > Yes, my reaction to hearing about 'Autobahn' being out of print was >the same as yours. This mailing list was the first place I heard anything >about it and even if it were true that it's out of print and there are no >more being made, there are still copies of it in record stores all over the >place here in New York and in other parts of the U.S. So, anyone searching >for 'Autobahn' should be able to find it without too much of a dilemma. I think I was one of the first or possibly even the first to suggest that Autobahn is out of print in the US about a week back. I've been looking in every Kraftwerk CD bin I have come across in the last few months, and, unlike other members of the group, I have been completely unable to find any copies of Autobahn. So, about two weeks ago, I went to a local record store here in Riverside, Southern California, USA, and was told by the woman working there that her computer showed that it had been "deleted" by Electra, which she told me meant that it was no longer in print. The next thing I did was a couple of days later I posted a message on this group asking where I could find it, if possible. After several reply's stating that it in fact was available, I called around to several other record stores in So Cal, mainly Tower Records outlets, and they all told me they did not have it. So then I called the 1-80O Tower mail order number and they also told me it was out of print. Additionally, someone on this group sent me a private mail saying that he had seen Autobahn at a Tower in Philadelphia, and gave me their number. I called them, and they also told me that they had no Autobahn, and the only Autobahns listed in their computer where all German imports. On top of all that, I also went to a web site that sells CDs and the only Autobahn they had was also a German import. So, if indeed in other parts of the country there are copies of domestic Autobahns, could I send someone in one of those areas the required money and they could buy it for me? I confess I am completely unable to find any domestic copies. And if indeed it is *not* out of print, my apologies. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 07:33:20 +0200 Subject: Re: NEWSGROUPS Really-From: lbo At 19:24 10/08/96 -0700, you wrote: >tribute. I really want to do this. Anyway, could anyone list some >Newsgroups I could post to concerning the gathering of material for >this project?? I'm not really into the whole techno/electronic world it's just some days that I figured out how newsgroups work and how to use a reader, anyway, I subscribed, between others, to these groups that could do: alt.emusic (this seem more oriented towards aspect of making music instead of listening) alt.music.ebm alt.music.synthpop rec.music.industrial ame and rmi are more concerned with maybe more hard-aggressive sounds than K. don't try alt.industrial, it actually regard industrial issues like scaffolding, patents and general nut'n'bolts arguments. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 07:33:23 +0200 Subject: Re: KW Samples Really-From: lbo >>if other people here took fun with K sampling we could even put up "Listen >>to the List - a Kraftwerk tribute"... [...] > - I've got about 6 or 7 cover versions of Kraftwerk songs sitting on a >3.5" over here in the studio right now. :o) In any event, it's a great way >to get people's minds off the idea of there being a new KW album. Hee Hee... mmmh.. and so they could say that they don't even need to program robots for playing... they have their fans for this... :-) artificial intelligence? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 07:33:25 +0200 Subject: Re: KW posting on mailing lists Really-From: lbo At 12:03 10/08/96 -0400, you wrote: >There are some groups that *will* respond in person when you contact them >out here (like Psykosonik, KMFDM, etc.), but none of these bands are of the >same calibre as Kraftwerk in terms of long standing success, international >appeal, and impact. well, I do not see why should be more "professional" not to answer to fans, so that less famous groups could do it and more famous could not. if it's a matter of shy personality, no problem, and I can even understand that a group with the status of K would receive packs of useless mail from "fanatical" fans, like "you're so great". ok, we are so great, then? I also understand that a full time artist maybe has something else to do than read lists or groups, and we should also consider that maybe is difficult to live with just the incomes of the artistical activity, so maybe artists has a second professional life even more time consuming (cfr. stories about a possibile furniture shops for Ralf). but for instance, Laurie Anderson do take care to read groups and use the internet (please read my interview with her in my netzine reVision, http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3041), maybe not too often, but she does, and she (or her producers) had take care to install a home page for her (see links section on reVision...), and she's absolutely not lacking status or professionality... I just think is a matter of discretion. sorry to cite myself so much (but thinking about it twice I must honestly say I made some good interviews... :-) ) but read what the Psychick Warriors ov Gaia said about being a star in the interview you'll find guess where. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 07:33:17 +0200 Subject: Re: KW Samples/TRIBUTE? Really-From: lbo >Although I doubt any of you would like MY covers of the songs. >Guitar-Bass-Drums-Vox - That's all. Like avant garde/rock/noise well, do you listened to Balanescu quartet covers of K? they played a string quartet. K music all acoustic, real strings vibrating in real wood... brrrrr... horror! :-) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 07:33:28 +0200 Subject: Re: Top 10 Questions. :o) Really-From: lbo > The discussion we've been having about the possibility of KW >actually reading the posts on this mailing list had prompted me to come up this remind me about sending pictures of man and woman and solar system into long run space satellites so if aliens find it they will anser us, anyway good idea... :-) >8. Is it uncomfortable performing live in a suit and tie? well, I guess yes, seen that they perform with "turtleneck" (thanks!) sweatshirts... ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #661 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #662 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 11 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 662 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 11 Aug 96 07:43:32 EDT Subject: Re: 'Man, Machine and Music' book inaccuaracies Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> > Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > > Ah, I see! So perhaps this is representative of the type of > inaccuracies that caused KW to be somewhat miffed at Pascal when the book > hit the stands, prompting the infamous reaction, "Your book...it's shit." > Are there any other obvious or vague inaccuracies that you know about offhand? Stating that there are separate German and English language editions of the 'Radio-Activity' album is one inaccuracy that springs to mind. Also, much is made of the fact that 'Autobahn' was something of a dramatic progression due to the fact that KW had added a Mini Moog synth to their equipment - however, it was the 'Ralf and Florian' album that first saw KW use a Mini Moog, it's even pictured on the rear cover! But the mistakes are none too significant really in comparison to how flawed some other musical biographies tend to be and should not detract from the fact that the book is as fine an introduction to the KW story as there is ever likely to be. As for the absence of Wolfgang Fluer; he was writing his own book on his days with Kraftwerk at that time and was therefore reluctant to be involved with Pascal Bussy's book. In the interview with Wolfgang Fluer that appeared in Aktivitaet 7 he revealed that the title of this book was 'Under one pillow with the robots' (noting that it has a certain significance in German) but nothing more has been mentioned about the book and when or even if it may appear in print. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Man ... Machine ..." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 11 Aug 96 07:43:46 EDT Subject: Re: Kraftwerk samples Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> > Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) > > How 'bout a top 10 list of KW-sampled or -esque songs? You'd have to > include the following: > > "Al-Naafiysh"--Hashim > "Electric Kingdom"--Twilight 22 > "Ride"--Sir Mix-A-Lot > "Bango"--The Todd Terry Project > "Planet Rock"--Afrika Bambaataa & Soul Sonic Force > > Any other additions? Peace. Sure. Here's a list of dance tracks that contain Kraftwerk samples to varying degrees, put together by a friend of mine a couple of years back, sorry but I don't have any further details about the actual releases they are on. Hope the list is of interest. Positively Black - 'Soldier' (Samples from 'Technopop') 2 Live Crew - 'Dick Almighty' (Sample from 'The Man Machine') MC Duke - 'I'm Riffin' (Samples from 'Spacelab' and 'The Model') Bam Bam - 'Wind Me Up' (Rhythm samples from 'Trans-Europe Express') X-Men - 'More Fun To Compute' (Samples from 'It's More To Compute') Professor X - 'Saga' (Rhythm samples from 'Tour De France' and 'Numbers', reconstructed sample from 'It's More To Compute' (?)) DJ Man - 'House Style' (Sample from 'Numbers') DJ Unknown - 'Basstronic' (Sample from 'Musique Non Stop', breathing sample from 'Tour De France') Afro Rican - 'Let It Go' (Sample from 'It's More Fun To Compute' and 'Numbers') Bam Bam - 'City Mix' (Sample from 'Europe Endless') Jailbreak - 'Powerhouse' (Sample from 'The Model', rhythm sample from 'Technopop') BEF - 'I Don't Know Why' (Slight rhythm sample from 'The Robots') KAOS - 'Emergency' (Rhythm sample from 'Numbers') Cookie Crew - 'Got To Keep On' (Rhythm sample from 'Numbers') Dynamix 2 - 'Bass Generator' (A couple of small but significant samples from 'The Voice of Energy' and 'Technopop' and also 'The Robots') Dynamix 2 - 'Ignition' (Samples from 'Numbers') Lon Alonzo - 'Housetrack' (Sample from 'Homecomputer') Liquid - 'Understand' (Sample from 'It's More Fun To Compute') Ultra Magnetic - 'Travelling' (Sample from 'Numbers') Absurd - 'Der Act' (Rhythm sample from 'Numbers') Ian Calder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "It's more fun to compute ... " * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 15:54:13 +0200 Subject: Re: KW posting on mailing lists Really-From: Paulo Mouat > There are some groups that *will* respond in person when you contact > them out here (like Psykosonik, KMFDM, etc.), but none of these bands > are of the same calibre as Kraftwerk in terms of long standing > success, international appeal, and impact. I think none of the attributes you mention condition in any way the lack of character or the 'true genius' attitude. It is misleading to say that a 'true genius' is often anti-social. Only fiction cinematography and literature may have shed that thought, because throughout History you have innumerable geniuses, from art to science and almost none were as anti-social as you state (there are exceptions, but these people are people, not machines, and have the right to be anti-social as many 'non-geniuses.') Also, in terms of impact, it is an abusive statement to cast out any other band besides Kraftwerk from that list. If not, think for instance of Laibach, integrated on a global effort in art and philosophy, the Neue Slowenische Kunst, who have managed to create the first universal State in History. This is has a far greater impact than Kraftwerk, for if R&F simply make music and elaborate ideas gravitating around it, Laibach's and NSK's efforts have much more insight on the nature of XXth century social thought and needs--one thing for sure with much more practical relevance than human machines, as much as it hurts to say it. Anyway, the point was that KW could (I'm not saying 'should') provide an interface to their conceptions. And it wouldn't be because they think the Internet is a thing of the past that it would be outrageous to adopt such attitude. If it were so, then the very own instruments they use should not be used since they belong to previous decades, and published interviews would be pre-history. The sense is in what you can do with your media of expression, regardless of insensible conceptions. And if the Net is there, why not take advantage of it? They also drive cars, don't they (and these are from the other end of the century...)? Only they would lose anything if they keep persisting on a very hermetic stance. As sad as it may be to point out, there are also accounts on 'long-standing-success' achievers who didn't know how to manage it. Anyway, if a new album shows up, I'd be right at the record store first thing in the morning... ;-) Best! (please do interpret any of the above comments as flaming or flame-bait, these are just a couple of thoughts...) - -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 11:41:41 -0400 Subject: Re: KW Samples/TRIBUTE? Really-From: Frank Moriarty Michael P Maloney- or K.C. - wrote of his interest in actually assembling a KW cover tape. Several musicians I work with and I would be most interested in participating in this. We would like to work together on one track. Please keep me in mind. Thanks! Frank For info on my books and articles, please visit: http://www.voicenet.com/~portiam/frank/ You'll find things that go fast and make a lot of noise! *************************************************** * I want to hear and see everything... * * * * -- Jimi Hendrix * ****************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 11:41:43 -0400 Subject: Balanescu Quartet Really-From: Frank Moriarty lbo referred to the Balanescu Quartet covers of KW songs. I've been kind of half-heartedly looking for this but would probably find it a lot easier if I knew the label and/or catalog number. Can anybody provide this info? Thanks! Frank For info on my books and articles, please visit: http://www.voicenet.com/~portiam/frank/ You'll find things that go fast and make a lot of noise! *************************************************** * I want to hear and see everything... * * * * -- Jimi Hendrix * ****************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 96 12:59 EDT Subject: Balanescu Quartet Really-From: dvrt@passport.ca (Dave Rout) Responding to msg by kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) on Sun, 11 Aug 11:41 AM > >Really-From: Frank Moriarty > > > lbo referred to the Balanescu Quartet >covers of KW songs. I've been kind of half-heartedly looking for this but would probably find it a >lot easier if I knew the label and/or catalog number. >Can anybody provide this info? Thanks! > >Frank > mute records 9 61 421-2 upc #72459-61421-27 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 13:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: KW posting on mailing lists Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >Anyway, the point was that KW could (I'm not saying 'should') provide an >interface to their conceptions. And it wouldn't be because they think >the Internet is a thing of the past that it would be outrageous to adopt >such attitude. Of course Kraftwerk 'could' provide an interface to their conceptions, and I wouldn't mind seeing that myself. My point is basically that the fact that KW have not used Internet technologies to interface their conceptions so far does not necessarily leave a very promising forecast for its future use either. Kraftwerk always seem to stay up to date and ahead of their time while simultaneously (and beautifully, I might add) reflecting on the aesthetics of an era gone by and the technologies that went along with that era. This type of idea was dealt with on albums like 'Radio-Activity' and 'Trans-Europe Express'. Since KW hinted at the ideas of Internet technologies on the 'Computer World' album, I just felt that they have already turned their attention elsewhere to new ideas. All in all, while I do not feel that there is a great likelihood of Kraftwerk's interaction via the Internet, if they were to suddenly begin utilizing the Net as a means of interfacing their conceptions, I'd be totally in support of it. >Anyway, if a new album shows up, I'd be right at the record store first >thing in the morning... ;-) You mean we wouldn't all sleep on a line outside the record store the night before the album went on sale? :O) I could just see it now - a line of people going around the block of the record store at midnight - some of the people asleep - some of the people talking and interacting - some of the people actually just robots taking the real people's places while they're at home sleeping soundly - and all the while, the music of KW blasting loudly from a portable stereo. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "And at the fall of night, this city's made of light..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 11:44:10 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Lists are Moving hats@cs.uwp.edu (Men Without Hats), yello@cs.uwp.edu (Yello) Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" As many of you are already aware, cs.uwp.edu is slated to be decommissioned, which means the lists there will need to move to a new home. The four lists I run (hats, jarre, kraftwerk, and yello) will be moving over the next couple of weeks, as I coordinate the changeover with Dave Datta. At this time I do not intend to move the existing subscriber lists to the new machine by hand -- when the new lists are ready, existing subscribers will need to rejoin at the new location. Messages posted to the old lists will be forwarded to the new ones for a short time, but it is very important that people resubscribe and update all their posting aliases for the lists as soon after the new location is announced as possible. This message is just a heads-up so everyone knows that this move is coming. I will post a formal announcement of the new location and instructions for subscribing there once the new lists are ready. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 18:48:56 +0100 Subject: McCluskey - "Kraftwerk have been marginalised" Really-From: Brian Gaze McCluskey - "Kraftwerk have been marginalised": In the rock and pop section of the London Evening Standard (Tues 6th Aug, 1996) an interview with Andy McCluskey entitled 'Firmly entangled in technology's web' appears. I've taken the following from this. "Our synthesiser tag became like an albatross even though within a couple of years everyone and their dog was using one." McCluskey reckons this has also happened to his heroes Kraftwerk, who haven't released a new album in 10 years. "Kraftwerk have been marginalised by the reality they predicted," declares Andy in the loftiest tones. "A quarter of a century ago they were championing the cause of electronic music and now everyone has taken what they did and made it part of everyday life." Showing the sort of gratitude that is as rare as hen's teeth in the musical farmyard, McCluskey invited the German bands Karl Bartos to write him a song, called The Moon and Sun for his new album Universal. Coincidentally Mr Bartos is also the third member of Electronic whose latest LP deserves to live in the charts for ever. The interview continues and discusses the renaissance of Krautrock. McCluskey concludes, "I've never been a technology lover, especially not of the instruction manuals. If I can't learn to use something in 10 minutes forget it. I'd rather sit down and write another song." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 18:50:19 +0100 Subject: Lets have the truth Really-From: Brian Gaze Since this list has members who are allegedly personal friends of the PR Director of Elecktra and Pascal Bussy it should be quite easy to find out the real situation regarding a new album. My unnamed contacts in the business are unable to provide factual info. at the moment, therefore I'm relying on others for the truth. I was interested to read that Schult is apparently working actively with the group again. If this is true its good news. Unfortunately I'm not convinced that all of the info. posted recently has been genuine. This list has seen TOO many hoaxes for its own good. It was only Lazlo clamping down on the flame war (well done - no disagreements with you here) that prevented it degenerating into complete farce. Lets get the facts right!! Don't forget that Kraftwerk are unlikely to release an album in the UK or the USA in the run up to Christmas - the market is too strong during the autumn / winter. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 11:15:55 -0700 Subject: Re: KW Samples/TRIBUTE? Really-From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) You wrote: > >Really-From: Frank Moriarty > > >Michael P Maloney- or K.C. - wrote of his interest in actually assembling a >KW cover tape. Several musicians I work with and I would be most interested >in participating in this. We would like to work together on one track. >Please keep me in mind. > >Thanks! > >Frank > For info on my books and articles, please visit: > http://www.voicenet.com/~portiam/frank/ >You'll find things that go fast and make a lot of noise! Thanks for your support. Everyone seems to be taking this whole tribute thing well - let's just hope it all works out. Give me some more information on your friends' work, and I'll get back to you. Oh, and by the way, my name IS K.C. Maloney and NOT Michael P. Maloney. K.C. malophd@ix.netcom.com http://www.geocities.com/soho/4090 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 11 Aug 96 16:45:10 EDT Subject: Re: Lets have the truth Really-From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> This talk of finding out about Kraftwerk's activities from their record companies reminded me of a conversation I had sometime in late 1994 with a guy called Julian Close, who is currently Head of A&R at EMI UK: Despite his position, his knowledge of Kraftwerk's activities was very scant. (To give two examples: he was completely unaware that KW had played live in Europe during 1993, or had contributed the theme music to MTV Europe's 'Music Non Stop'. It seems that despite everything you'd think, the stories about KW's self-containment are 100% true, and fans who keep in touch either through this list, or by reading the "Aktivitaet" fanzine, actually seem to know more about their activities than their UK record label! He explained to me that KW's arrangement with the them is a licencing deal, which effectively means that they (or more specifically Kling Klang, I guess) are their own record label, with complete control over what goes out and when. Obviously, there has to be some mutual agreement between the two parties, but he seemed to think (without being able to officially check) that their deal is "tied to product", which basically means that Kraftwerk have a certain number of recordings released by EMI, but over an unspecified period, as Ian Calder referred to in his posting about a week or so ago. And this licencing deal is precisely the reason that there are no compilations, remastering or repackaging of KW's current catalogue in the UK; Huetter and Schneider would have to be involved in any such decisions. He told me that the label's A&R input into KW's product is therefore virtually nil: with 'The Mix' it amounted to little more than suggesting remixers for 'Radioactivity'. I remember him joking and saying something like, "Yes, Kraftwerk, hardly the sort of people you tell to go back and redo something 'cos the hihat's too loud!" He went on to say that when KW have new material ready, the master tapes and artwork arrive, and that is pretty much the end of it as far as the A&R Dept are concerned - it's then over to the production people, and then the press people, etc. Interestingly, the label were apparently pretty disappointed with the sales of 'The Mix'; KW having been namechecked by so many for so long - and with a tour to support it - the label were expecting pretty big things for what they saw as effectively a 'greatest hits' album. He added, though, that there was *very little* chance of them being dropped; apparently EMI see them as a "prestige" act, and their connections with the label go back a long way. Rupert Perry, for example - who was credited on the 'TEE' album - is now the actual *Chairman* of EMI Records (UK). All in all, it seems to me that it may be quite possible that Kraftwerk could release something in the near future, with EMI knowing about it maybe only three months or so in advance. I would guess that this also applies to their deals in Germany and the States too. As for the likelyhood of finding out anything from these people at any other time, this would seem to me to be pretty low - unless someone has a direct line to the band that is! Mr Nexus? ;-) You have to admire Kraftwerk for manoevering themselves into such an autonomous position; they obviously see their work as more than just pop fodder to be exploited by their various record labels. Not so good for us diehard fans though I guess... STAGGMAN ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 17:03:05 EDT Subject: Balanescu Quartet and sample list Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) 1. The album with the Balancescu Quartet's covers of KW songs is on Mute/Elektra. However I don't know the title of the album or its catalog #. 2. Wow! That was some list! Is the "Professor X" you mention the leader of X Clan and the Blackwatch movement ("This is protected by the Red, the Black, and the Green--with a key, SISSSSSSY!")? Also, when you say "Ultra Magnetic," I think you mean the Ultramagnetic MCs--one of hip-hop's finest and underrated groups. I hear that Kool Keith, recording under the name Dr. Octagon, has a solo album that's supposed to be da bomb (that mean's it all that & a bag of chips, knowhutimsayin'?). However, I was trying to include joints that sounded KW-y, that is paying homage w/o actually sampling or covering the music directly. Peace. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 17:14:44 EDT Subject: Electronic and hypothetical release party Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) >>> You mean we wouldn't all sleep on a line outside the record store the night before the album went on sale? :O) I could just see it now - a line of people going around the block of the record store at midnight - some of the people asleep - some of the people talking and interacting - some of the people actually just robots taking the real people's places while they're at home sleeping soundly - and all the while, the music of KW blasting loudly from a portable stereo. <<< Yeah. All ten of us--but we know what time it is!!!! >>> Coincidentally Mr. Bartos is also the third member of Electronic whose latest LP deserves to live in the charts forever. <<< Wait a minute!!!! Is this Electronic album the same one that was just released in the US???? I read from June's (?) "Q" Magazine (a British magazine kind of like "Vibe" or"Spin," just much larger) That Karl Bartos was the producer of this joint. However, upon looking at the producer's credit here, it says, "Produced by Electronic." I'm confused. The only reason I'd buy this album is because of the contribution of one of the members of the world's greatest band. WHAT'S THE 411???? Peace. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 17:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Lets have the truth Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >etc. Interestingly, the label were apparently pretty disappointed with the >sales >of 'The Mix'; KW having been namechecked by so many for so long - and with a >tour to support it - the label were expecting pretty big things for what they >saw as effectively a 'greatest hits' album. Do you think that 'The Mix' would have done better (at least in the U.S.) in terms of sales if Kraftwerk hadn't cancelled those U.S. dates for their tour to promote it? I think it would have boosted sales some, but still not really enough to make much of a noticeable difference. >All in all, it seems to me that it may be quite possible that Kraftwerk could >release something in the near future, with EMI knowing about it maybe only >three months or so in advance. Although all our talk has been speculation at this point and there has been no confirmed way of knowing whether or not we can expect a new Kraftwerk album in the near future, I personally have good vibes about this and I do have faith that there will be something new coming from KW very soon. Only time (not to mention Ralf & Florian) will tell. While we all wait though, there is something I'm curious to get all your opionions on: Since the release of 'The Mix' back in 1991, there has been a lot of resurgence in Kraftwerk regarding re-issues and the like. Think about it - between 1992 and the present date we have witnessed the re-issue by Cleopatra of 'Radio-Activity', 'Trans-Europe Express', and 'The Man-Machine', all of which were also issued together by Cleopatra in the Kraftwerk 'Capitol Years' box set. Furthermore, we've also witnessed Cleopatra's 2 releases of 'The Model', a retrospective of Kraftwerk's greatest hits spanning 1975-1978. Then in 1995 we saw the re-issue of the aforementioned 3 Kraftwerk albums, this time by Capitol themselves, which came complete with re-mastered artwork on the covers. Now we've got 'Computer World' being re-issued on CD in Japan which is coming complete with bonus tracks including "Dentaku" and 2 original versions of "Tour de France". So, my question is - since there has been all this activity in the re-issuing market between 1991 and 1996, is it more likely that this activity is 1) due to an upcoming new release by Kraftwerk, 2) due to a sort of unannounced closure to Kraftwerk's career (hence the greatest hits retrospective), or 3) just because. What do you folks think? Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 14:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Electronic and hypothetical release party Really-From: Matthew Bruns On Sun, 11 Aug 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) > Wait a minute!!!! Is this Electronic album the same one that was just > released in the US???? I read from June's (?) "Q" Magazine (a British > magazine kind of like "Vibe" or"Spin," just much larger) That Karl Bartos > was the producer of this joint. However, upon looking at the producer's > credit here, it says, "Produced by Electronic." I'm confused. The only > reason I'd buy this album is because of the contribution of one of the > members of the world's greatest band. WHAT'S THE 411???? Peace. He did, in fact, work on some of the tracks (including the not-quite-hit single "Forbidden City), but if you're looking for something Kraftwerky in Electronic's Raise the Pressure, you're going to be pretty disappointed. There's only really one track on there (If You've Got Love) that sounds at all Kraftwerky, and the album on the whole's pretty terrible. It's been getting flamed pretty heavily in the press, as well. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 17:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Lets have the truth Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" > So, my question is - since there has been all this activity in the > re-issuing market between 1991 and 1996, is it more likely that this > activity is 1) due to an upcoming new release by Kraftwerk, 2) due to a > sort of unannounced closure to Kraftwerk's career (hence the greatest > hits retrospective), or 3) just because. What do you folks think? Just because. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #662 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #663 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 12 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 663 RE: Lets have the truth Electronic album Re: Electronic album ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 22:33:45 -0400 Subject: RE: Lets have the truth Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >> So, my question is - since there has been all this activity in the >> re-issuing market between 1991 and 1996, is it more likely that this >> activity is 1) due to an upcoming new release by Kraftwerk, 2) due to a >> sort of unannounced closure to Kraftwerk's career (hence the greatest >> hits retrospective), or 3) just because. What do you folks think? >Just because. >::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) Yes. Just because...the record company estimates a profit by doing so. No other reason. They're not doing it because they are KW fans. Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 07:22:13 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Electronic album Really-From: Lars Nellemann During the last couple of weeks the new Electronic album "Raise the pressure" have been pretty much flamed at this list - I totally disagree. The Electronic album does not sound like any kraftwerk release - I agree with that, that would have been pretty pathetic if it did. However, in my opinion the album is one of the best pop albums seen in the last couple of years. and if you think that New Order is a pretty good band, this is a must - many songs is very close to the new order sound (No surprice since the vocalist is the same in both groups). The album migth have been slacked in some inferior american music papers, but generally it have been well received in the european press. And it is a damn good album - try it, you wont be dissapointed Lars - -- ******************************************************************** * Lars Nellemann * I'm confused - Like a thirsty * * nelleman@biobase.dk * baby in a topless bar ! * * Royal Veterinary & Agricultural * * * University * * ******************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 22:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Electronic album Really-From: Matthew Bruns On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Lars Nellemann > > The album migth have been slacked in some inferior american music papers, > but generally it have been well received in the european press. This just isn't true. Almost _nobody_ has given this release a positive review. One UK mag likened it to Eurovision song contest fare... ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #663 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #664 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 13 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 664 NSK-Laibach mailing list Re: Balanescu Quartet and sample list Re: Lets have the truth (no K) Electronic album c/w First Kontakt Re: Lets have the truth Kraftwerk & Laibach Re: Lets have the truth Re: Lets have the truth Artist ownership ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:28:40 +0200 Subject: NSK-Laibach mailing list Really-From: lbo At 15:54 11/08/96 +0200, you wrote: >of Laibach, integrated on a global effort in art and philosophy, the >Neue Slowenische Kunst, who have managed to create the first universal >State in History. This is has a far greater impact than Kraftwerk, for incidentally, I just saw an article on rec.music.industrial newsgroup "proclaming" the opening of the NSK mailing list. this is part of the message: 8<------------------------------------------------------------------ SUBSCRIPTION INFO This is an open, unmoderated list; anyone may join (regardless of NSK citizenship status ;). To subscribe, simply send a message to: listproc@u.washington.edu with the following in the BODY of your message: subscribe NSK-L (Full name (*not* email address) should let people know who the subscriber is. Your email address will be extracted automatically from your message headers, so send the request from the address to which you want the list mail to be sent.) [...] 8<-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet and sample list Really-From: Troy Morehouse On Sun, 11 Aug 1996, muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) wrote: > 1. The album with the Balancescu Quartet's covers of KW songs is on > Mute/Elektra. However I don't know the title of the album or its catalog > #. The name of the Balanescu Quartet's album is "Possesed!". It not only features covers of Kraftwerk, but a few others as well. The covers are from the versions of the songs on "The Mix". It is very interesting (albeit a bit different) to listen to. On the "Trans Slovenia Express" tribute albumn, there is a really cool version of "Neon Lights" that is performed by, what appears to be, a 1920's big band (there is even banjos!). - -Troy Morehouse, Director of Tecnical Operations - Atlantic Canada Ingenia Communications Corporation - New Brunswick http://iron.ingenia.com/east ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:39:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Lets have the truth Really-From: SCHALJO@aol.com UNSUBSCRIBE UN-SUBSCRIBE ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:08:46 -0100 Subject: (no K) Electronic album c/w First Kontakt Really-From: Francois MARCKMANN >During the last couple of weeks the new Electronic album "Raise the= pressure" >have been pretty much flamed at this list - I totally disagree. - ----> Too bad I subscribed here only a few days ago.. I would have LOVED to learn new=20 insults (or, as we say in France, "bird names") in english... "RTP" is good. Pleasant, at least. Easily forgetted, but very attractive (that's the law of Pop=20 Music!). =20 >The Electronic album does not sound like any kraftwerk release - I agree= with >that, that would have been pretty pathetic if it did. - ----> I did not read the booklet at once, so I did not know that KB was= there as musician as well as co-writer for at least a week of intensive= listening. What a surprise !=20 > >However, in my opinion the album is one of the best pop albums seen in the >last couple of years. and if you think that New Order is a pretty good= band, >this is a must - many songs is very close to the new order sound (No= surprice >since the vocalist is the same in both groups). - ----> Yes, I agree. This is more the latest New Order album than anything else related to Kraftwerk.=20 I don't know the 1st Electronic album. How does it compare with N.O.? >The album migth have been slacked in some inferior american music papers, >but generally it have been well received in the european press. - ----> Do any of you K-people know a web-place where "RTP" is reviewed ? Bis dahin! FM - --------------------------------------------------------- From : Francois MARCKMANN E-mail : fmarck@pratique.fr Adresse : 27, rue Raymond Marcheron, F-92170 VANVES T=E9l : (1) 46 42 10 58 Fax : (1) 46 48 33 60 - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:31:55 EDT Subject: Re: Lets have the truth Really-From: muziknut2@JUNO.COM (Adam E Schefflan) > So, my question is - since there has been all this activity in the > re-issuing market between 1991 and 1996, is it more likely that this > activity is 1) due to an upcoming new release by Kraftwerk, 2) due to a > sort of unannounced closure to Kraftwerk's career (hence the greatest > hits retrospective), or 3) just because. What do you folks think? The brothers at Capitol/EMI probably regretted that they licensed the US masters to Cleopatra, and they wanna get props w/ legitimate reissues. I just realized something. "Golden Cloud" is either a Japanese record company or a Japanese publishing company. KW is lucky, though. They own their master tapes, since the copyright owner, except in the US, is "Kilng Klang." But "Kling Klang Produkt 1986," on EC, is instead of saying "Produced by Ralf Hutter & Florian Schneider." O(+> would kill to own his master tapes--that's why he wants to be "liberated" from WB. Just some thoughts for your domes.... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 22:34:07 +0200 (EET DST) Subject: Kraftwerk & Laibach Really-From: Jani Patokallio G'day! Having recently acquired my first Kraftwerk album and becoming fascinated by it, I did a little web search and soon enough stumbled on Kling Klang. I then spent an hour or two poring through the place. Now, usually I wouldn't be sending a mail like this 4 days after getting my first CD by a band, but as I happen to be the maintainer of the Laibach discography I have a few little tidbits for the discographers and completionists among you. So: There has been some discussion on the list about the _Trans Slovenia Express_ album of Kraftwerk covers. There are three Laibach tunes on the album (300 000 V.K. [VK = Verschiedene Krawalle {'Different Riots'}] being identical to Laibach). But they were not mixed specifically for the album! Versions of them appear much earlier in Laibach's work. Namely, TSS's "Zrcalo Sveta" corresponds to "Apologija Laibach" from the album _Krst Pod Triglavom_ and "Lie-Werk" is a slightly remixed version of "3. Oktober (Kraftbach Mix)" from the _3. Oktober_ single (the tune also appears on the Mute compilation _Nervous Systems_). And to top it all off the 300000 V.K. track "Kometenmelodie Part 1" appears on the eponymous Peter Paracelsus album under the name "Evil Star"... and you guessed it, PP is yet another cover name for Laibach (plus a few friends). The dates for the albums are, respectively, 1987, 1990 and 1994. While I'm at it, another little note: the 2LP version (and only this version) of _Krst Pod Triglavom_ has a bonus track named "Hostnik", which contains samples from Kraftwerk's "Ohm Sweet Ohm". Tomaz Hostnik was Laibach's lead singer who committed suicide by hanging himself from the archetypal Slovenian symbol, the 'kazolec' hayrack; given Laibach's propensity for doing strange things with electronics, it appears that the band has managed to squeeze a pun even into a song intended as a eulogy. That's all for now, folks. People not familiar with Laibach are reminded that Kraftwerk and Laibach are polar opposites when it comes to music, and while _KPT_ may be an excellent album, it does not sound the least bit like Kraftwerk. =) Cheers, - -- Jani Patokallio | Elämä ei ole henkeä eikä ainetta, vaan liikettä. jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi | Entropy: http://www.hut.fi/~jpatokal/entropy/ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:54:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Lets have the truth Really-From: "A. D. Alvarez" << O(+> would kill to own his master tapes--that's why he wants to be "liberated" from WB. Just some thoughts for your domes....>> I did not know that! (doing Johnny Carson impersonation) I thought O(-/-> 's beef was with the deal he made in the early 80's, since he no longer could sell enough records to support Paisley Park and the Prince Industry, etc. And I can understand why Warner's been a pain--I'm sure they haven't been too happy with someone who recalls whole albums on the whim of a dream just as they are going to press. Can someone explain all this ownership business? The levels of ownership an artist can have over his work? I take it David Bowie owns everything he's ever put out; I take it Sting and George Michael have gotten screwed in their music publishing deals. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:15:06 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Lets have the truth Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" > Can someone explain all this ownership business? The levels of > ownership an artist can have over his work? An artist owns everything they create by default -- but in order to get their work released by a label they may have to sign over many of those rights to that label. Artists who control their own work are by far the exception. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 00:03:49 EDT Subject: Artist ownership Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) >>> An artist owns everything they create by default -- but in order to get their work released by a label they may have to sign over many of those rights to that label. Artists who control their own work are by far the exception. <<< Yes. However, it concerns the ownership of only the master tapes of pieces of work that the artist has agreed to release under the label s/he records for. An artist can always record a piece again. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #664 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #665 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 14 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 665 Quiz!!!! / Ireland Re: Lets have the truth Re: Sheet music Re: Computers and Crime? Re: Quiz!!!! / Ireland Apologies Re: Electronic is it pear shaped?? Re: Sheet music Boots for sale/exchange Re: Lets have the truth Artist ownership Re: keep list active Dentaku Re: "Robots" Re: KW Samples/TRIBUTE? (No KW) Ol' Mike Field Re: KW Samples/TRIBUTE? Dentaku lyrics Re: "Robots" Re: KW Samples/TRIBUTE? Special Products More Robots Re: KW Samples/TRIBUTE? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 01:15:36 -0700 Subject: Quiz!!!! / Ireland Really-From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) Hi. Nothing SERIOUS here, just thought I'd let you know that the name of one of my songs (for the band I am in) is called "Durch stetigen Zerfall". Although this song has nothing to do with kraftwerk and doesn't even remotely sound like a KW song, I just thought it was a cool lyric. So, as a pop-quiz question --- can anybody tell me what it means and what song it is from???:) K.C. P.S. I'm leaving for a week and a half trip to Ireland on Thursday - does anybody know some cool places to hang out in Dublin? What's the scene like there (music, otherwise). Also I'm a little worried to what their reaction will be towards Americans - has any of the Americans on the list recieved any prejudice from native Irish fellows?? (I'm half Irish, by the way. (the other half is Japanese)) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:32:29 +0000 Subject: Re: Lets have the truth Really-From: "Gustav Holmberg" > Really-From: muziknut2@JUNO.COM (Adam E Schefflan) > > I just realized something. "Golden Cloud" is either a Japanese record > company or a Japanese publishing company. Why is that? /Gustav Holmberg ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:03:18 +0000 Subject: Re: Sheet music Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > > I know the sheet music to "Autobahn" exists. > > EMI Music Publising published the sheet music for 'The Model' It is rumoured that EMI published also the sheet music for "Tour de France". Is somebody able to confirm this? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:03:18 +0000 Subject: Re: Computers and Crime? Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > I've just paid a visit to the Infobahr and I noticed something in the > transcribed lyrics of "Computer World" that caught my eye. The > lyric page in the Infobahr contains the line "Crime Travel Communication > Entertainment". As far as I know, the actual lyric to the song is > "TIME Travel...". Is this just an error on the lyric page or have I been > hearing the wrong word all these years? Yes, "Time" is indeed correct, as the live video for this song proves. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:09:38 +0100 Subject: Re: Quiz!!!! / Ireland Really-From: lotsisk@dcs.gla.ac.uk (Konstantinos Lotsis) I was in Dublin in April. I 've been to csome clubs and pubs. Try Temple of Sound next to the bridge in O'Connor Street. It was quite cool, with techno, harcore etc music. Good stuff. There lots of pubs in this street as well. Sorry, I can not recall any more names, because I was a little bit wasted at that time. Try also the Temple Bar. Don't worry about your origin. My flatmate is american and she has been lots of times in Ireland. No Problem at all. Boing Boom Tschack, Kostas P.S. BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL WHERE YOU LEAVE YOUR BUGS, WALLET OR ANYTHING VALUABLE. MANY THIEVES AROUND. TRUST ME, SOMEBODY HAS STOLEN MY GIRLFRIEND'S BUG WHILE SHE WAS ITTING IN A CAFE!!!! ************************************************ Konstantinos Lotsis MSc in IT Department of Computing Science University of Glasgow - UK e-mail: lotsisk@dcs.gla.ac.uk http://www.gla.ac.uk/clubs/WebSoc/lotsisk.index ************************************************ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:12:13 +0100 Subject: Apologies Really-From: lotsisk@dcs.gla.ac.uk (Konstantinos Lotsis) I am sorry, I forgot to forward the messgae to the right e-mail address instead of KW mailing list. Kostas ************************************************ Konstantinos Lotsis MSc in IT Department of Computing Science University of Glasgow - UK e-mail: lotsisk@dcs.gla.ac.uk http://www.gla.ac.uk/clubs/WebSoc/lotsisk.index ************************************************ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:48:25 GMT Subject: Re: Electronic is it pear shaped?? Really-From: "Adam S.Gill" Hi all I`ve heard the arguments about Bartos` last project - being a bit pear shaped! So..... I`d just like to ask how the latest Electronic album compares to their first - still in my opinion one of the best albums I`ve heard. Is it similar in style?? Unrelated (sorry) I`d just like to say that if any out there like Deep Forest and Enigma then try "The Songs of Distant Earth" by Mike Oldfield - chilling out to "Electronic Music" at its best (and I normally dislike Oldfield`s stuff!!) Regards Adam Gill ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 13 Aug 96 08:38:51 EDT Subject: Re: Sheet music Really-From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> > It is rumoured that EMI published also the sheet music for "Tour de > France". > Is somebody able to confirm this? Quite, quite definitely. A friend of mine has a photocopy of it. STAGGMAN ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:17:32 +0100 Subject: Boots for sale/exchange Really-From: Jeroen Geerts ** High Priority ** I'm planning to sell or exchange (for live boots) the following CD's from KW - - Ultra Rare Mix - - The Elite Recordings - - Schone Neue Welt Plus from Electric Music - - Esperanto If somebody is interested send an email to the address below with a price or trade proposition. jjg.geerts@wa.dhv.nl ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:00:31 EDT Subject: Re: Lets have the truth Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) On Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:32:29 +0000 kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) writes: >Really-From: "Gustav Holmberg" > > > >> Really-From: muziknut2@JUNO.COM (Adam E Schefflan) >> > >> I just realized something. "Golden Cloud" is either a Japanese >record >> company or a Japanese publishing company. > >Why is that? > >/Gustav Holmberg > A brotha in this discussion panel noticed that the copyright owner on his copy of "Computer World" was stated as "Golden Cloud" rather than "Kling Klang." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:02:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Artist ownership Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" >> An artist owns everything they create by default -- but in order to get >> their work released by a label they may have to sign over many of those >> rights to that label. Artists who control their own work are by far >> the exception. > > Yes. However, it concerns the ownership of only the master tapes of > pieces of work that the artist has agreed to release under the label > s/he records for. An artist can always record a piece again. It usually also includes the publishing rights to the songs, meaning the artist doesn't get as much money from royalties when the song is performed as they would otherwise. And not owning the copyright on your own recordings is no small thing. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 13:55:10 -0400 Subject: Re: keep list active Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com The Analog Heaven list-- where is that? I'd like to check it out. Thanks. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 12 Aug 96 23:21:20 +0100 Subject: Dentaku Really-From: marcus@canit.se (Marcus Ohlström) I'm looking for the lyrics of Dentaku, both the japanese version and a translation to for exampel english. Is there anyone who can mail me the lyrics, or point out an url to look at? - -- Marcus Ohlström (marcus@canit.se) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:58:13 -0400 Subject: Re: "Robots" Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com My copy of the "Robots" cassette is fine. Poorly edited, truncated versions of the songs, true, but it plays at the right speed. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:09:10 -0400 Subject: Re: KW Samples/TRIBUTE? Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I have two versions of "The Model" I could send you--one's an almost note-for note cersion that I whipped up when I was getting the feel of my then-new Alesis drum machine; another's an "Unplugged" version my brother and I did with 12 string acoustic, bongos and toy piano! I also have a cheesy/interesting version of "Neon Lights" that I did with a toy synthesiser, old Hewlett-Packard signal generator, bass guitar played through a guitar amp with heavy tremolo, and no drums...! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:54:39 -0100 Subject: (No KW) Ol' Mike Field Really-From: Francois MARCKMANN At 12:48 13/08/1996 GMT, you wrote: >try "The Songs of Distant Earth" by Mike Oldfield - chilling out to "Electronic Music" >at its best (and I normally dislike Oldfield`s stuff!!) >Regards >Adam Gill=20 I vote for it, too. Alas, like almost all recent MO recordings, it has this flavour of "disposable" music. BR, FM - --------------------------------------------------------- From : Francois MARCKMANN E-mail : fmarck@pratique.fr Adresse : 27, rue Raymond Marcheron, F-92170 VANVES T=E9l : (1) 46 42 10 58 Fax : (1) 46 48 33 60 - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:35:07 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: KW Samples/TRIBUTE? Really-From: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca (Ra) On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > I have two versions of "The Model" I could send you--one's an almost note-for > note cersion that I whipped up when I was getting the feel of my then-new Sounds cool. If they're available from a WWW page or FTP site, please let me know the address. Otherwise, can you E-mail them to me? /*-----------------------------------------------------------------------* | Soleil "Ra" Lapierre E-Mail: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | | WWW: http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Geek Code v3.1: GCS d-(?)(--) s:+>:- a-->? C++++ UL+>+++ P L>++ | | E>+++ W++>+++ N+(-) o?>+ K++ W+()>--- !O M--() V-- PS+ PE Y+>++ !PGP | | t++(+) 5++ X++>+++ R- tv b+(+++) DI++++(+++) D++>++++ G+ e+>+++ | | h(++)>- !r !y+ 54% nerd, 89% pure, M-B type INFJ | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*/ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:32:43 +0200 Subject: Dentaku lyrics Really-From: Paulo Mouat These are from a page which I don't remember right now. Dentaku: Bokuwa ongakuka, dentaku katateni Tashitari, hiitari Sousashite, sakkyoku suru Kono botan oseba, ongaku kanaderu Best! - -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: "Robots" Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >My copy of the "Robots" cassette is fine. Poorly edited, truncated versions >of the songs, true, but it plays at the right speed. Yup, same thing here with my copy. I wasn't that pleased with how condensed these edited versions are, but it does play at the proper speed. Anyway, I'll give the tape some credit as it does have that classicly cool cover photo of the dummies standing at Kraftwerk's places before their equipment with their names in neon lights at the bottom. Incidentally, this picture was also used by Cleopatra for the cover of the 'Showroom Dummies' 5 track CD single from 1992, but they added a new backdrop of gears and machinery to the photo while darkening in the silhouettes of the 4 dummies. Still pretty cool though as the new background gives the photo a real Fritz Lang-ish 'Metropolis' kind of feel. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "It's more fun to compute..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: KW Samples/TRIBUTE? Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >with 12 string acoustic, bongos and toy piano! I also have a >cheesy/interesting version of "Neon Lights" that I did with a toy >synthesiser, old Hewlett-Packard signal generator, bass guitar played through >a guitar amp with heavy tremolo, and no drums...! Heh.. This just reminded me that I've got this tiny little white Casio toy keyboard down in my Maryland studio and one of its preset "auto-chords" sounds almost like an exact duplicate of the sound used by KW to play the opening chords of "Neon Lights". So, maybe I've never done any music professionally with that little keyboard but at least it kept me occupied for a week in Maryland playing nothing but "Neon Lights". :o) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "And at the fall of night, this city's made of light..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 21:00:22 EDT Subject: Special Products Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) >>> My copy of the "Robots" cassette is fine. Poorly edited, truncated versions of the songs, true, but it plays at the right speed. <<< You're lucky. I find that those "XXX Special Products" tapes seldom are duplicated properly--I had a similar problem with an SOS Band tape. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 21:09:34 EDT Subject: More Robots Really-From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) >>> This just reminded me that I've got this tiny little white Casio toy keyboard down in my Maryland studio and one of its preset "auto-chords" sounds almost like an exact duplicate of the sound used by KW to play the opening chords of "Neon Lights." <<< That Casio keyboard is a real artifact--the "rock" beat (I'm not sure if it's the right beat, but it's definitely the right keyboard) ushered in dancehall reggae with that joint "Under Me Sleng Teng" in 1985. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 22:45:41 -0700 Subject: Re: KW Samples/TRIBUTE? Really-From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) You wrote: > >Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com > > >I have two versions of "The Model" I could send you--one's an almost note-for >note cersion that I whipped up when I was getting the feel of my then-new >Alesis drum machine; another's an "Unplugged" version my brother and I did >with 12 string acoustic, bongos and toy piano! I also have a >cheesy/interesting version of "Neon Lights" that I did with a toy >synthesiser, old Hewlett-Packard signal generator, bass guitar played through >a guitar amp with heavy tremolo, and no drums...! > Wow! sounds interesting......I'd like to hear all of them. I love using stuff like toy instruments, plastic guitars, and little electonic toys to make weird music. E-mail me if you would like to send me a tape, and I will give you my address and stuff. K.C. http://www.geocities.com/soho/4090 stupid, dummyhead cgi experimentalism ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #665 ******************************* [from this point forward all archives are by-post instead of by-digest] From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Re: Computers and Crime? Date: 14 Aug 1996 15:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >When I listen (to the UK rerelease version) I hear "crime". I think, as you >say, this is to relate it to the work by computers in preventing crime. I >think "Time travel" is nice'n'futuristic, but not really related to computing >or indeed the other things mentioned!! As Klaus has already let us know, the actual lyric to this track is indeed "time" and not "crime". I always figured that the real lyric was "time", especially because that's what the lyric was up on the big video screen behind the band when KW performed this song live. I suppose "crime" does make sense in a way, especially because the computer-oriented services of the FBI, Scotland Yard, and so on all do deal with crime and crime-prevention. However, "time" also makes a lot of sense when relating to computers because computers are our main method of telling time (i.e. watches, clocks, etc.). So, while "crime" does make for an interesting analysis of "Computer World", the actual lyric is most assuredly "time". Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Interpol and Deutsche Bank...FBI and Scotland Yard..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk on WB in the US Date: 14 Aug 1996 15:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >It's my feeling also that there are copies of the ill-fated album floating >around. What I'd love to know is - why the hell did they pull the plug at the >last minute ? Most speculation would suggest that they (Ralf and Florian) decided to pull the plug on this one because they felt that it just wasn't ready to go to press. Perhaps they felt it wasn't quite up to par just yet. They do tend to be perfectionists when it comes to this sort of thing, hence the long gaps in between their albums since 1981. >Yeah. But someone said at some stage earlier that the album was in fact >allocated a catalog number by the record company. Either Kraftwerk did not >produce any tapes to the record company, in which case there would be no >bootlegs (unless KW issued them) or, KW did send tapes to the record company >and no more than a very small number of pressings took place before KW came >round and told the company to stop production. It's my feeling that there were probably demo tapes made by KW that contain this 'TechnoPop' material, but I doubt strongly that any of this music was ever pressed onto vinyl. I'm not sure why this is, but I've always been under the impression that KW opted to cancel the album before it went to production at all. Does anyone have the info to confirm this? I'm curious to know the whole scoop myself. >As I said, I'd really love to know - WHY ?!?! Perhaps it was because there was >new synthesizer technology coming out at the time (the arrival of digital >synths/the Synclavier/Fairlight/Emulator..) and KW decided that Technopop >would be much too out of date ? (So they purchased the new equipment and >reworked it into Electric Cafe). My theory - comments ? Seeing as how KW spent 3 whole years (1978-1981) remodeling KlingKlang Studios and updating all their equipment so it could be transported and taken on the road with them during touring, it seems unlikely to me that new technology would be a main factor in causing the cancellation of 'TechnoPop' in 1983. Remember, the material for this album wasn't entirely scrapped, but rather it was for the most part just reworked for 1986's 'Electric Cafe'. So, I'd tend to think that creative and artistic decisions on the parts of Ralf and Florian were largely responsible for the scratching of 'TechnoPop' from the schedule. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "La musica ideas portara...y siempre continuara..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Do 8-Track Tapes of Kraftwerk exist??? Date: 14 Aug 1996 17:08:33 EDT Really-From: Roland Metzger <76113.2741@CompuServe.COM> So this is a REALLY interesting question, I think, nobody has asked before.... -Do 8-Track Tapes of Kraftwerk exist??? ( For those who don't know, 8-Track tapes were more or less popular during the seventies. I think they were especially good for listening in a car stereo.) -If yes, which albums/singles have been released on 8-Track? -How much are these worth today? (Probably a fortune, I believe) -Were would you get them in 1996? Does any record store on the Net sell 8-Track's? Not that I own a 8-Track player myself...but it would be a nice to have, anyone agrees? 8-Track's are hard to come by today..only at one record fair I saw a dealer selling them. Unfortunately, it was all crap, altough a Blondie one was among it. PS: Anybody has a Kraftwerk 8-Track Promo or Test Pressing.....??? ;-) Roland Metzger/Switzerland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Re: Computers and Crime? Date: 14 Aug 1996 19:47:13 -0500 (CDT) Really-From: stdwle@unx1.shsu.edu (W. Ladd Ellett) "Time" is what I have heard for 11 years - maybe wrong - but my 00.02. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Re: Do 8-Track Tapes of Kraftwerk exist??? Date: 14 Aug 1996 19:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Really-From: yankel On 14 Aug 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Roland Metzger <76113.2741@CompuServe.COM> > > > So this is a REALLY interesting question, I think, nobody has asked before.... > > -Do 8-Track Tapes of Kraftwerk exist??? ( For those who don't know, 8-Track Yes they do. I have TEE on 8-track. Jon <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> THE OMEN It's really opinionated. It's got style. It's Hampshire College's school newspaper. 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If you have any questions or need any assistance, please email me. See you at the new location! -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Computers and Crime? Date: 14 Aug 1996 02:17:00 +0200 Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@lb.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>'ve just paid a visit to the Infobahr and I noticed something in the KML>transcribed lyrics of "Computer World" that caught my eye. The lyric KML>page in the Infobahr contains the line "Crime Travel Communication KML>Entertainment". As far as I know, the actual lyric to the song KML>is "TIME Travel...". Is this just an error on the lyric page or have KML>I been hearing the wrong word all these years? I suppose that KML>computers have made quite a substantial impact on the world of crime- KML>fighting, but I just felt that "time" makes more sense. After all, KML>watches are computers all of their own! The German words: Reisen *Zeit* Medizin Unterhaltung in English: Travel *Time* Medicine Entertainment Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Quiz!!!! / Ireland Date: 14 Aug 1996 17:08:00 +0200 Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@lb.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>Hi. Nothing SERIOUS here, just thought I'd let you know that the KML>name of one of my songs (for the band I am in) is called "Durch KML>stetigen Zerfall". Although this song has nothing to do with KML>kraftwerk and doesn't even remotely sound like a KW song, I just KML>thought it was a cool lyric. So, as a pop-quiz question --- can KML>anybody tell me what it means and what song it is from???:) "Durch stetigen Zerfall" is from the KW-Song "Uran" from the KW-LP "Radioaktivität". It means "Through constant decay". Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Re: KW Samples Date: 14 Aug 1996 00:57:00 +0200 Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@lb.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>I've been wanting to do that myself for some time. Do you make .MOD KML>or No. I am working with the Composer-Program TrakCom on an Atari Falcon030. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Re: Date: 14 Aug 1996 00:51:00 +0200 Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@lb.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>Yes, the English language version of the book also has this photo in KML>it as well. On the text sleeve of my "Radioaktivität"-LP, you can see a man with long, curly hair. He also appears on the "Autobahn"-Cover (very small in a mirror). Is this Emil Schult? BTW: I know, how Ralf and Florian look like. But I do not know, who of the two remaining persons is Karl Bartos und who is Wolfgang Flür. Who can help me? Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Re: Samples, and KW1 & 2 Date: 14 Aug 1996 00:55:00 +0200 Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@lb.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>Well, I can handle ambient, as long as it's pretty electronic... But the first KW-albums sometimes do not sound electronic. Take "Kling Klang" from KW 2 for example: Nearly no electronic sound, but electric guitars, violins, drums, ... But I like them anyway. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Re: Date: 15 Aug 1996 10:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >On the text sleeve of my "Radioaktivit=E4t"-LP, you can see a man with= long, >curly hair. He also appears on the "Autobahn"-Cover (very small in a= mirror). >Is this Emil Schult? Yes, that is indeed Emil Schult in that little circular photo on the dashboard. And yes, that is also a picture of Emil Schult with the long hair in the sleeve of 'Radio-Activity'. >BTW: I know, how Ralf and Florian look like. But I do not know, who of the= two >remaining persons is Karl Bartos und who is Wolfgang Fl=FCr. Who can help= me? Well, if you look at your 'Radio-Activity' album, you'll find that classic picture of the 4 members of Kraftwerk with Florian standing in front of his flute and Ralf standing in front of a 1930s style microphone. The two members in the middle, from left to right, are Wolfgang Flur and Karl Bartos. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "You are so close but far away..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Date: 15 Aug 1996 10:49:26 +0100 (BST) UK readers may be interested in 'Dancing in the Streets: Planet Rock' on Saturday 17th August (BBC2, 9.50 pm - time may change due to coverage of olympics). I think there's a strong chance there may be a Kraftwerk clip (though I'd bet it will be very brief!!). See http://www.bbcnc.org.uk/dancing/p2new.html Afrika Bambaataa on Kraftwerk: "Who were these funky white boys?" and the usual sources ('Radio Times': "Black DJs in New York discovered the icy Tetonic pop of Kraftwerk and forged a new electronic dance style..."). Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Digital LED Display on 'The Mix'. Date: 15 Aug 1996 15:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Fellow Kraftwerkians, While perusing my copy of 'The Mix' this morning, I was reminded of something I meant to ask my fellow list members a while back. As you are all probably well aware, the CD booklet which accompanies 'The Mix' contains photos of the updated KW robots all throughout. My question is in regards to the photo of Fritz Hilpert's robot that is present on the back cover of the CD booklet. This is the only photo in the booklet that features a robot wearing a small rectangular digital LED display on its left breast. The details of it are somewhat fuzzy, and all I can make out on the screen are what appear to be the digits 249 and a fourth digit that seems to be either a 2 or a 3. I was just curious to know if anyone has the scoop on this thing? What exactly is that little gadget, what does it actually say, and do you know why it's there in this picture and not in any of the others? Perhaps someone with a vinyl copy of this album can tell more easily from an enlarged picture. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "I'm controlling...and composing..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Re: Quiz!!!! / Ireland Date: 15 Aug 1996 12:35:29 -0700 Really-From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) You wrote: > >Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@lb.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) > > >KML>Hi. Nothing SERIOUS here, just thought I'd let you know that the >KML>name of one of my songs (for the band I am in) is called "Durch >KML>stetigen Zerfall". Although this song has nothing to do with >KML>kraftwerk and doesn't even remotely sound like a KW song, I just >KML>thought it was a cool lyric. So, as a pop-quiz question --- can >KML>anybody tell me what it means and what song it is from???:) > >"Durch stetigen Zerfall" is from the KW-Song "Uran" from the KW-LP >"Radioaktivität". It means "Through constant decay". > >Mit freundlichen Grüßen > >Timo K. aus L. > RIGHT ON THE DOT!!:) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Japanese "Computer World" Reissue Date: 15 Aug 1996 22:26:43 +0000 Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de Release date for the Japanese reissue of "Computer World": 28.08.1996. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: NEU! Live Date: 15 Aug 1996 22:26:43 +0000 Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de Since this Japanese NEU! Live CD with a concert from 1972 is now apparently out, I would be interested to know whether it is an official release or a bootleg. Are any more details known (title, label, catalogue number etc.)? Are there any concrete chances that it will be released in other countries, too? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: "Computer World" reissues Date: 15 Aug 1996 17:42:11 EDT I also heard that "CW" only got its 1st CD release in the UK about a year ago as well. Does anyone know if there are any bonus tracks?--in the US we only got a measly 34 minutes (I don't know how many seconds). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: "Computer World" reissues Date: 15 Aug 1996 18:33:57 -0400 (EDT) >In the US we only got a measly 34 minutes (I don't know how many seconds). 34 minutes and 38 seconds. ;o) -Scott- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Japanese "Computer World" Reissue Date: 15 Aug 1996 18:39:46 -0400 (EDT) >Can you tell me more about this release? Is it true it will have two >versions of Tour De France? Are there any other bonus tracks? As far as my understanding of this release goes, it contains both the regular and instrumental mixes of "Tour de France" as well as "Dentaku" (the Japanese lyric version of "Pocket Calculator"). What I'd like to know is if this re-issue is scheduled to be made available anywhere other than Japan at some point, or is Japan it? Does anyone know if the US will also be getting this re-issue at a later date? Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "eins...zwei...drei...vier..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Troy Morehouse Subject: Re: Japanese "Computer World" Reissue Date: 15 Aug 1996 19:57:00 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Alex Wilson > > Oh, and on another note, can anyone recommend "alternative" recordings of > Kraftwerk? The quality varies so much in those sorts of recordings that one > has to be careful, but I would love to hear some live/outtake Kraftwerk. Well, I've got two live CD's (both double disc sets). One is called "Kraftwerk: Computers in Love", and was recorded in 1981, and the other is "Kraftwerk: Live in Brixton" (early 1990's). Both have relatively good quality recordings (although the first is a bit lopsided when it comes to the stereo separation). I can't recall who published them but if your interested I'll get the catalogue numbers to you. -Troy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Pissed off part 2 Date: 15 Aug 1996 20:13:09 EDT What really gets my gourd is when people ask who your favorite band is and you say "Kraftwerk," and they say, "Who?" It's not that they're the most influential band of all time. I went into a music store with a HUGE sheet-music library, and when I asked for a book of KW songs, they said what it says above. Needless to say, they didn't have a single KW songbook. You can get the entire "Batman" album by O(+> in book form, you can get @#$%ing Debbie Gibson's nasty-ass sheet music in book form for chrissake, but no KW!!!! Jeez!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Pissed off part 2 Date: 15 Aug 1996 21:50:59 -0400 (EDT) >What really gets my gourd is when people ask who your favorite band is >and you say "Kraftwerk," and they say, "Who?" It's not that they're the >most influential band of all time. I figured that we were all used to dealing with this sort of thing already. In fact, I can't remember the last time I let it bother me when someone (even IN the music business) didn't know who Kraftwerk were. It used to piss me off in the beginning, especially when it came to people in the world of electronic music who didn't know KW. >I went into a music store with a HUGE sheet-music library, and when I >asked for a book of KW songs, they said what it says above. Needless to >say, they didn't have a single KW songbook. I would imagine that even at the time when the Kraftwerk albums (that the songbooks corresponded to) were released, they (KW) were still not well-known enough to popular culture to be recognized or to have been heard of. Despite their timeless contributions and influences to the worlds of electronic music and music alike, Kraftwerk remain one of the most undeservedly under-rated bands of all time in my opinion, especially in countries like the U.S. It's really unfortunate, but I don't see it changing anytime in the immediate future either. :o( Blah! On the other side of the spectrum, while mass culture remains for the most part ignorant to the existence of KW, at least we continue to see artists in the musical world paying homage and tribute with KW cover versions and making use of KW samples. In fact, just a little earlier tonight I was listening to a college radio station here in New York (WSIA, 88.9 FM) and they were playing some ambient/techno song that used a sample from "The Robots". The sample was taken from the electronic purring and chiming noises at the beginning of the track. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Synthetic electronic sounds..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca (Ra) Subject: Re: Pissed off part 2 Date: 15 Aug 1996 20:25:43 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Adam E Schefflan wrote: > What really gets my gourd is when people ask who your favorite band is > and you say "Kraftwerk," and they say, "Who?" It's not that they're the > most influential band of all time. It gets my goat, but I feel people will eventually come around. Lots of current artists credit KW in the booklets of their CDs. I just feel silly explaining how all modern music is largely influenced by KW. > I went into a music store with a HUGE sheet-music library, and when I > asked for a book of KW songs, they said what it says above. Needless to > say, they didn't have a single KW songbook. You can get the entire I was under the impression that KW don't write down their music and have forbidden others to do so. I was hoping some kind soul with perfect pitch would transcribe a few songs and post them here. /*-----------------------------------------------------------------------* | Soleil "Ra" Lapierre E-Mail: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | | WWW: http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Geek Code v3.1: GCS d-(?)(--) s:+>:- a-->? 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You're only scratching the surface with the most accessible and pop-oriented stuff, although I will say that mentioning Oldfield is a bizarre JUXTAPOSITION (Bussy's favorite word) between Enigma and Deep Forest. "Tubular Bells" is dope--on the real, knowhutimsayin'? But you should try Aphex Twin or stuff on the Fax label--it's just better shit!!!! OK, bust this: how bout KW "RZA-rated"? As in the Shaolin soldiers--Wu-Tang Style? Sounds phat to me. OK, I'M WARNING YOU GUYS, I LOVE TO CURSE--SO NOW I BE PUTTING MAD CURSES IN MY SHIT--AND PLUS, I'VE SEEN SOME OF YOU OTHER MUTHAFUKKAS PUT CURSES IN YOUR POSTS--YOU'VE BEEN WARNED. Whew! Now to continue.... >>> I take it David Bowie owns everything he's ever put out <<< I think he bought his shit from RCA after signing with EMI. The original RCA vinyl states "RCA Records" as the copyright owner. Why did KW decide to record EC in analog???? I think digital is so much better! And, I was REALLY shocked to hear a Roland TR-808 in M N-S when I heard it for the first time 10 years ago. I don't know 'bout you guys, but EC sounds just as fresh today as in 1986. Those muthafukkas still be ahead of their time, knowhutimsayin'? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Barth Subject: Kraftwelt (Re: New KW) Date: 16 Aug 1996 08:52:59 +0200 I tried to send this to the list but I could find it in the digest, so it might have been slipped away. Therefore a second try: To add to the confusion on a new KW album, I found at Cleopatra's site some samples of the mentioned _Kraftwelt_ album, named _Deranged in Space_. Details and samples can be found at: http://www.hallucinet.com/cyberden/cleopatra/Kraftwelt/Deranged_In_Space/Der anged_In_Space.html The music is certainly inspired by Kraftwerk (For example: The Path (German Kraft Mix)). But those three one-minute samples gave me the feeling that this could not be in any way a new Kraftwerk album. Have fun. Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl "HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" (Atem) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Dancing in the Street Date: 16 Aug 1996 06:38:09 EDT Here's something that may be of interest to subscribers in the UK, or anyone that can recieve BBC2: The final part of the 'Dancing in the Street' series (Saturday 17th August, BBC2, 9.50pm) is entitled 'Planet Rock', and according to the blurb in 'Radio Times' focuses on the evolution of the current dance scene; "...one of the strangest marriages of all: black DJs in New York discover the icy Teutonic pop of Kraftwerk and forge a brand new electronic dance style." Dunno if this means there'll be much in the way of KW footage, but it's maybe worth a look... STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de Subject: Score Date: 16 Aug 1996 14:47:18 +0000 > I was under the impression that KW don't write down their music They do. Florian Schneider uses a score during their concerts. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Pissed off part 2 Date: 16 Aug 1996 09:23:45 -0400 (EDT) >I was under the impression that KW don't write down their music and have >forbidden others to do so. >I was hoping some kind soul with perfect pitch would transcribe a few >songs and post them here. In an interview with Ralf Huetter (one of the interviews present in the Infobahr) here's what Huetter said in regards to the concept of writing down the music of Kraftwerk: "We never write anything down. We can read music, but not very well, and we don't really care because you can't write down our music anyway. Notation is restriction on music. It's for the museum. I was always bored when I had to read these notes; it's nothing, it's just paper. Notes on paper. The sound is what interests me. And how we do it. Very rarely we would make a little motif, to denote a certain sound, but that's it. Just so that we would not forget, not for others to read. And sometimes we forget anyway, which I think is also very important, because if it comes back to you from the different stages of memory, if it reminds you of itself, then maybe it's something very strong." Robotically Yours, Scott M. 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We can read music, but not very Thanks, that's the interview I was trying to remember. I read that once before, a couple of years ago. /*-----------------------------------------------------------------------* | Soleil "Ra" Lapierre E-Mail: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | | WWW: http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Geek Code v3.1: GCS d-(?)(--) s:+>:- a-->? C++++ UL+>+++ P L>++ | | E>+++ W++>+++ N+(-) o?>+ K++ W+()>--- !O M--() V-- PS+ PE Y+>++ !PGP | | t++(+) 5++ X++>+++ R- tv b+(+++) DI++++(+++) D++>++++ G+ e+>+++ | | h(++)>- !r !y+ 54% nerd, 89% pure, M-B type INFJ | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Re: Japanese "Computer World" Reissue Date: 16 Aug 1996 12:14:12 -0400 Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) >Really-From: Alex Wilson > > >Klaus (et. al.)- > >>Release date for the Japanese reissue of "Computer World": >>28.08.1996. > >Can you tell me more about this release? Is it true it will have two >versions of Tour De France? Are there any other bonus tracks? Yes this is true! The only additional track is the 1981 version of "Dentaku". >Oh, and on another note, can anyone recommend "alternative" recordings of >Kraftwerk? The quality varies so much in those sorts of recordings that one >has to be careful, but I would love to hear some live/outtake Kraftwerk. I recommend the following (all with quite good sound quality): "Kling Und Klang" CD - LIVE Milano 1991 "Tanz Music" CD - LIVE Switzerland 1991 (Incomplete concert) "Neue Kraft" 2LP Pic Disk - LIVE Copenhagen 1991 "Numbers" aka "Nippon Numbers" CD - LIVE 1981 (Incomplete concert) "The Remix" - Includes the two infamous demo versions of "Techno Pop" and "Sex Object" "Computertour" CD - LIVE 1981 Includes LIVE version of "Metropolis" (Sound quality on first half of CD is EXCELLENT, second half if not too great) "Return of the Mensch Machine" 2LP - LIVE 1990 (Alternate versions of The Mix songs) I hope this helps. -John Talbert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de Subject: The credibility of statements from Ralf Huetter Date: 16 Aug 1996 19:53:15 +0000 > here's what Huetter said in regards to the concept of writing > down the music of Kraftwerk: > "We never write anything down. This appears to be not exactly the truth. (See my previous message. See also the inner sleeve of "Trans Europe Express" and the "Ralf & Florian" poster.) > We can read music, but not very well Rather unlikely for classical educated musicians... Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Re: Japanese "Computer World" Reissue Date: 16 Aug 1996 16:41:17 -0600 (MDT) Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" >> Release date for the Japanese reissue of "Computer World": 28.08.1996. > > Is it true it will have two > versions of Tour De France? Are there any other bonus tracks? Why do the > Japanese get such better musics anyway? Well, they get lots of bonus tracks because CD prices in Japan are so high that imports from the US are actually *cheaper* than the Japanese releases, so the Japanese labels add extra material to the Japanese issues to try and encourage people to buy them. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bgystad@online.no (Bill Gystad) Subject: NEU! Live Date: 17 Aug 1996 10:54:37 +0200 So, how do we act to buy Cd=B4s from Japan then ?? CyBill "Even the greatest stars Dislike themselves in the looking glass" -Kraftwerk. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: NEU! Live Date: 17 Aug 1996 10:51:24 +0200 Really-From: bgystad@online.no (Bill Gystad) So, how do we act to buy Cd=B4s from Japan then ?? CyBill "Even the greatest stars Dislike themselves in the looking glass" -Kraftwerk. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bgystad@online.no (Bill Gystad) Subject: NEU! Live Date: 17 Aug 1996 17:33:16 +0200 So, how do we act to buy Cd=B4s from Japan then ?? CyBill "Even the greatest stars Dislike themselves in the looking glass" -Kraftwerk. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: UK "Computer World" Date: 17 Aug 1996 15:46:55 EDT I asked this before, but no one answered. Does the UK version of CW have any bonus tracks since it was issued for the first time there only about a year ago? That really sucks. If KW's biggest following is in the US, we should be getting the best shit, knowhutimsayin'? Also, Does anyone know if the US 12" (30cm) single of Tour De France on WB (0-20146) is worth anything???? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: 'Dancing In The Street' Date: 17 Aug 1996 18:09:24 EDT > From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> > > The final part of the 'Dancing in the Street' series (Saturday 17th August, > BBC2, 9.50pm) is entitled 'Planet Rock', and according to the blurb in 'Radio > Times' focuses on the evolution of the current dance scene; "...one of the > strangest marriages of all: black DJs in New York discover the icy Teutonic > pop of Kraftwerk and forge a brand new electronic dance style." > > Dunno if this means there'll be much in the way of KW footage, but it's maybe > worth a look... Footage of Kraftwerk shown is a live rendition of 'Autobahn' (the same clip as shown on the 'Rock 'n' Roll Years' and 'Sounds Of The 70s' UK series and originally from 'Tomorrows World'). There are also interviews with Afrika Bambaataa, Grandmaster Flash where the KW influence is acknowledged, also Peter Hook, bass guitarist with New Order, recounts a little tale of how Kraftwerk were horrified by the antiquated mixing desk to be found at Brittania Row studios (in London), the very same one New Order had used for recording 'Blue Monday' - apparently KW had hoped to recreate their own 'Blue Monday' inspired piece and, it seems, decided to go as far as using the same studio?!! The programme also takes in the rap/hip hop/techno and ambient movements, interview material with Public Enemy, De La Soul, Beastie Boys, Derrick May and The Orb. 'Dancing In The Street' is a joint venture between the UKs BBC channel and the USs WGBH Boston station, so I imagine that it will be appearing on US screens too before long. There's also a book and videos from the series, don't know much about either as yet. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: Re: 'Dancing In The Street' Date: 17 Aug 1996 18:34:52 -0500 Well! Finally a BBC/PBS rockumentary not about guitar heroes and/or 60's dinosaurs! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NL2057@cnsvax.albany.edu Subject: Re: 'Dancing In The Street' Date: 17 Aug 1996 21:00:21 -0400 (EDT) You are absolutely right. I grew up in the South Bronx where Afrika and Master Flash are from. I remember break dancing and doing the Electric Boogie to this weird techno sound that was unidentifiable but excellent to dance to. We also listened to the Art of Noise. Beat Box was waht defined our almost rebel-like attitude to the despair in the South Bronx. When I saw the video of Musik non-stop on a Rap show in NYC, it was shocking to see who was behind that entire revolution of techno music. I wonder if Kraftwerk is even aware of the kind of subculture they were unintentionally fueling with their super sound. We were all in gangs, and poverty was the way of life. We knew that there was no exit to our situation and I remember clearly someone refering to my neighborhood on 163rd and Teller ave as Planet Bronx a year before we heard Planet Rock by Afrika. Afrika and GrandMaster Flash used to throw Jams in the Bronx where the Chapter of the Zulu nation, the Dirt Masters, TFK, and Black Sabbath were among the Crews (gangs) break dancing. I have no idea what kind of effect they had around the world but we were tuff and bold everytime we heard their music. Kraftwerk is what I identify with. Kraftwerk made us! From New York with much love, Nate Tag name L-&-Love # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: UK "Computer World" Date: 17 Aug 1996 21:20:09 -0400 (EDT) >a year ago? That really sucks. If KW's biggest following is in the US, we >should be getting the best shit, knowhutimsayin'? Also, Does anyone know Is it accurate that KW's biggest following is in the US? If it is true, then it's a sad situation indeed seeing as how hardly anyone even remembers their name! I would tend to think that they've got somewhat of a bigger following back at home where they're probably still appreciated by longtime German fans of other revolutionary electronic acts from their homeland like Neu!, Can, Tangerine Dream, and so on... Perhaps one of our German friends on the list can offer their insight into how Kraftwerk's popularity and appeal have held up back at home in Germany when compared to the U.S. -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: If Kraftwerk were to cover... Date: 17 Aug 1996 22:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Fellow Kraftwerkians, Ok, hypothetical time once again. We're all well aware that many bands have recorded their own unique versions of Kraftwerk songs in the past as either a gesture of tribute or homage. We've seen this in the case of artists like O.M.D., Siouxsie & The Banshees, Big Black, The Balenescu Quartet, and the list goes on and on and on. But, let's suppose that Kraftwerk themselves finally decided to cover someone else's song! The question is, who do you think Kraftwerk would cover and which song? Who would you like to hear them cover if you had your choice? By the way, just as a side note, here's a piece of info in the way of regarding The Balenescu Quartet. We're all familiar with them as we know that they recorded an album called 'Possessed', featuring 4 Kraftwerk covers. I've also noticed that this was not the first time they delved into the worlds of electronic music and synth pop, having also contributed orchestration to the Pet Shop Boys' 1990 album 'Behavior'. -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Semantics & "Dancing in the Street" Date: 17 Aug 1996 22:19:34 EDT >>> The programme also takes in the rap/hip hop/techno and ambient movements <<< I don't mean to get into semantics, but please be aware that "hip-hop" is the correct name for "rap," and "techno" was originally derived from Chicago house-music in Detroit and has nothing to do with hip-hop. >>> ...interview material with Public Enemy, De La Soul, Beastie Boys, Derrick May and The Orb. Is this the same shit as that PBS documentary "Rock 'N Roll"? >>> You are absolutely right. I grew up in the South Bronx where Afrika and Master Flash are from. I remember break dancing and doing the Electric Boogie to this weird techno sound that was unidentifiable but excellent to dance to. We also listened to the Art of Noise. "Beat Box" was what defined our almost rebel-like attitude to the despair in the South Bronx. When I saw the video of Musique non-stop on a hip-hop show in NYC... <<< Could this have been "Video Music Box"? I'm so fucking pissed off that WNYC doesn't exist anymore. That bastard Guliani sold it, and now it's WBIS, a stupid sports-nostalgia network. I remember "Beat Box" and other records fondly. >>> it was shocking to see who was behind that entire revolution of techno music. I wonder if Kraftwerk is even aware of the kind of subculture they were unintentionally fueling with their super sound. We were all in gangs, and poverty was the way of life. We knew that there was no exit to our situation and I remember clearly someone referring to my neighborhood on 163rd and Teller ave as Planet Bronx a year before we heard Planet Rock by Afrika. Afrika and Grandmaster Flash used to throw Jams in the Bronx where the Chapter of the Zulu nation, the Dirt Masters, TFK, and Black Sabbath were among the Crews (gangs) break dancing. I have no idea what kind of effect they had around the world but we were tuff and bold every time we heard their music. Kraftwerk is what I identify with. Kraftwerk made us! <<< Finally--an original b-boy in this discussion group!!!! I learned about KW in a similar way, though I was about 10 when 98.7 Kiss-FM debuted in 1981. I was the only middle-class white kid I knew who was into hip-hop music, and I thought the Roland TR-808 was the greatest thing since sliced bread!! My exposure, though, was totally through the radio and local TV--obviously I wasn't in a gang or anything, but I was tired of rock music years earlier, and I wasn't really into disco. Bam's "Planet Rock" totally changed my life. I also remember the Jonzun Crew, Cybotron, and Planet Patrol, as well among the tons and tons of amazing records that were released during that time. That early '80s Tommy Boy Records sound was the shit! Electric funk, freestyle, and, of course, hip-hop is what I identified with. There was nothing else in the pop-music spectrum that I could get with then. Kraftwerk--who started it all--is the greatest band in the universe!!!! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Re: If Kraftwerk were to cover... Date: 17 Aug 1996 22:28:15 EDT Well KW, if indirectly as Elektric Music, did remix Afrika Bambaataa & Soul Sonic Force's "Planet Rock" on that song's 1992 remix album ("Don't Stop--Planet Rock"; Tommy Boy/Warner Bros. TBLP 1052)--it sounds as if PR was originally a KW song (& I'm not talking 'bout the part that was lifted from TEE). I guess I'd like them to cover "Hip-Hop Bebop" by Man Parrish--one of those classic breakdance joints. Or maybe--let's get really weird--maybe O(+> or even Einsturzende Neubauten or (heh-heh) Sepultura, Slayer, Agnostic Front, or Motorhead--that would be REALLY bugged. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: Re: If Kraftwerk were to cover... Date: 17 Aug 1996 22:38:54 -0500 Shopping by Pet Shop Boys and The Sound Of The Crowd by The Human League immediately come to mind, but they might be too obviously Kraftwerk-ed. The problem is finding something analogous to Kraftwerk's themes and musical range, but not so close that it would have no suprise or freshness to it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NL2057@cnsvax.albany.edu Subject: Re: Semantics & "Dancing in the Street" Date: 17 Aug 1996 23:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Yo! somebody who knows what's up!! Yeah I used to be a B-boy. But it is amazing how times change and yet you still, at times, refuse. I used too chill every Friday and Saturday night with Chuck Chill out on WBLS. That's where I used to listen to Kraftwerk. I also used to listen to Kiss and 92 WKTU before they went bankrupt. I like Guilliani but that whole Video Music Box shit pissed me off. I saw the first KW videos there; Trans Europe Express and my eternal favorite Telephone. I also saw Music Non-Stop. I think KW may have defined a lot for me. I am 25 now and trying to put together a KW collection. I bought the CD re-release of Man-Machine and it baffled me. 1978!! Just to damn F-R-E-S-H Fresh Fresh Fresh that's fresh!!! I remember at the age of 7-8 living in Puerto Rico watching TV. A TV station channel 4 used to do their Station Identification with a 10 second clip of a satellite going towards a computer generated image of Saturn while playing Space Lab in the background. That entire memory laid dormant until I heard that CD for the first time in my life. I had no fucking idea!!! I used to tell my homeboys, who are now dead or about to be, that even white kids used to listen to "our" shit. Some believed but most did'nt. You confirmed alot for me. Where were you from? Nate Remember the Ultra Magnetic MCs? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: Re: Semantics & "Dancing in the Street" Date: 17 Aug 1996 23:54:32 -0500 <> OMG!!! I grew up watching this WAPA Canal 4 station ID too! What a flashback!! Aldo Alvarez (born and raised in Mayaguez, Puerto Rico) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NL2057@cnsvax.albany.edu Subject: Re: Semantics & "Dancing in the Street" Date: 18 Aug 1996 00:07:48 -0400 (EDT) SAN SEBASTIAN DEL PEPINO!!! I lived there from 2- 10. I was born in Spanish Harlem and then to PR. At ten lived in the South Bronx until I went to college in Albany. Mis hermanas still live over there. THis is all fucking amazing!!! THis is better than my Volkswagen Vanagon Site!! Donde vives ahora? Nate AKA Cacique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NL2057@cnsvax.albany.edu Subject: Re: Semantics & "Dancing in the Street" Date: 18 Aug 1996 00:08:57 -0400 (EDT) El gatito del WAPA!! Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Aktivitaet 4 - 'Collectors Corner - USA' - Part 2 Date: 18 Aug 1996 07:13:20 EDT 'Collectors Corner - United States' - Part 2 Aktivitaet 4 - August 1993 (Revised and updated, June 1996) Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Part 2 - 12" SINGLES Moving on to the 12" releases, there are some interesting promo items to be had for collectors. The most unique is probably the 'Disco Best' 12" (Capitol, SPRO8865/8866) which gathers together four of Kraftwerk's singles ('The Robots', 'Neon Lights', 'Trans- Europe Express' and 'Showroom Dummies') on this one 12" EP. All tracks are the full length LP mixes except for 'TEE' which is a 7'00" version, which appears to be unique to this 12". The record comes in a Capitol 'Disco Single' company sleeve and, I assume, dates from 1978's release of 'The Man Machine'(?) or later. Packaged in a similar sleeve is the earlier, 1977, release of 'Showroom Dummies' (Capitol, 8502) with the French language version 'Les Mannequins' on the flip. No picture sleeve, but an interesting picture label design with two stills from the promo video for the song, with the bald-headed mannequins! (Further details of this and the 'Disco Best' 12" can be found in the 'Collectors Corner - Showroom Dummies' article from Aktivitaet 3.) 'Trans-Europe Express' seems to be very popular with the record company; there appear to be *at least* five different 12" releases in circulation! The way the mixes/edits are described on each disc doesn't help matters, so I'll try and describe what the differences are; - a standard 12" from 1977 b/w 'Franz Schubert' (no picture cover, yet again) is mentioned in a press advert from the time. The copy I have (Capitol, 8513) has a label design that is more likely to have been used on a 1978 release (the 'tower' Capitol logo as opposed to the circular Capitol logo), suggesting that it may be later re-pressing from 1978(?). - a promo version (Capitol, SPRO-8638/8637) with 'Trans-Europe Express' and 'Metal On Metal' on side one and 'Europe Endless' on side two. Side one is as per the LP; both full length mixes of 'TEE' and 'Metal On Metal'. (from 1977I assume?) - another promo version (Capitol SPRO-8723/SPRO-8638) with 'Trans-Europe Express' (Short Version) (5.42) on side A and 'Trans- Europe Express' (Long Version). The A side is an exclusive remix/edit that combines both 'TEE' *and* 'Metal On Metal' in the one track at 5.42 in duration. (On another 12" I believe that this mix is called 'Trans-Metal Express'. ) The B side 'Long Version' is in fact both 'TEE' *and* also 'Metal On Metal', as per the LP. Again, a Capitol Disco Single sleeve is used in preference to a proper picture sleeve. Again, this is referred to in a 1977 advert so presumably dates from late 1977. - yet another promo 12", 'Trans Metal Express' (5.42) b/w 'Franz Schubert' (4.25) (Capitol SPRO-8651) - I am assuming, though I do not have a copy, that 'Trans Metal Express' is the same remix/edit as per the previous 12". - finally, the most recent appearance of 'TEE' on 12" is from 1990/91, on one side of a double-A 12" 'Gold Cuts' release (Capitol 'Gold Cuts' V-15566), the 6.40 version. The flip side featuring 'A Fly Girl' by The Boogie Boys. Like all other previous 'TEE' 12" singles, there was no picture sleeve - just the generic record company sleeve instead. No such excesses for the releases from 'The Man Machine'; as well as the 'Disco Best' 12" promo detailed previously, there is also a 12" release of 'The Model' (3.38) b/w 'Neon Lights' (9.03), Capitol 8526. Picture sleeve? I'm afraid not. Moving onto 1981, and onto a new record company for Kraftwerk, we find two promo-only releases. Firstly, 'Pocket Calculator' (Warner Bros PRO-A 951). Includes the full length LP version on side one and a slightly shorter 'Dentaku' on the reverse. The picture cover (yes! it has one! at last!!) is white with pretty much the standard design in black (looks a little odd in white, as opposed to the bright yellow of all other countries releases!). The other 12" promo gathers together 'Numbers', 'Computer World 2' and 'Computer Love' (Warner Bros PRO-973). It too has a picture cover, very similar to the one for 'Pocket Calculator' except that the four heads are arranged in a 'square' shape instead of a line. The 1984 issue of 'Tour De France' differed from the UK and West German versions by only containing two mixes of the song; it omitted the 3.00 edit and swapped over the A and B sides, so the 6.47 Francois Kevorkian remix is actually on the B side of this single (Warner Bros 0-20146). Picture sleeve design is pretty similar to the UK and West German versions with only minor differences but much better than the flimsier UK sleeve packaging. It's confusing - the label credits still state 1983, but this release contains the remixed versions of the songs, so must date from 1984 surely? I do not yet know if the original mixes were ever issued in the US in 1983, I presume they must have been but have yet to learn details of any copies in circulation. Anyone? The 12" release for 'Musique Non Stop' (Warner Bros 0-20549) and 'The Telephone Call' (Warner Bros 0-20627) are very similar to the majority of overseas releases from the point of view of both tracks included and picture cover design. There are two variants of the 1991 release of 'The Robots' on 12"; the standard issue (Elektra 0-66526) and a more mundane promo issue (Elektra ED-5551) that has the same tracks but does not have a picture sleeve. (Details on both in 'Collectors Corner - The Robots' from Aktivitaet Retro 1.) Last, but certainly not least, is the 1991 12" of 'Radioactivity' (Elektra 0-66486). This differs from the UK, German and Dutch releases by actually including *four* mixes of the song, one of which is unavailable elsewhere - the 'William Orbit Hardcore Mix'. This 1991 release was *only* on 12" vinyl - so there is no CD equivalent release. The mix in question goes even further than the standard William Orbit mix in terms of warping Kraftwerk's music into more fashionable shapes, so approach with caution if you did not care for the other 1991 remixes of 'Radioactivity'. I've also been told about a promo 12" of 'Autobahn' from circa 1986, in an 'Electric Cafe'-era sleeve design but have no further info at all - anyone else heard of this? - END -- Coming next in Part 3 - LPs. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Re: Quiz!!!! / Ireland Date: 17 Aug 1996 23:38:24 +0000 Really-From: Brendan Heading flibble smeerie kraftwerk mailing list, neaaarrriiiee Re: Quiz!!!! / Ireland larmy wibble wibble waltz... >Try Temple of Sound next to the bridge in O'Connor Street. O'Connell street :) That's, erm, a "young people" setup. >It was quite cool, with techno, harcore etc music. Good stuff. Only one place to go if you're into that stuff. Hell, do a night crawl :) >P.S. BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL WHERE YOU LEAVE YOUR BUGS, WALLET OR > ANYTHING VALUABLE. MANY THIEVES AROUND. TRUST ME, SOMEBODY > HAS STOLEN MY GIRLFRIEND'S BUG WHILE SHE WAS ITTING IN A CAFE!!!! Bugs ? Are you with the FBI or summink ? -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** A1200 28Mhz 020 545MB HD 6MB RAM ******| |***** Analogue Synth freak | JarreVangelisKraftwerkTangerineDream*| |***** ==================== | CarlosNumanErasureTomita *****| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "I didn't want to make music any longer. I didn't want to be a robot. I didn't want to make concerts, even, I didn't want to be with the boys after all those years" --- Wolfgang Fleur, on leaving Kraftwerk in 1987. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Francesco Gardinali Subject: Little LCD display... Date: 18 Aug 1996 14:43:29 +6000 A friend told me that the little LCD display on Fritz's robot on the cover of "The Mix" is a little Bike Speed Computer. Maybe perhaps? Yes... Frank. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de Subject: "Tour de France" release dates Date: 18 Aug 1996 18:05:17 +0000 > It's confusing - the label credits still state 1983, but this release contains the > remixed versions of the songs, so must date from 1984 surely? I think that both the standard and the remixed versions of "Tour de France" were released in 1983. I have a review of the German 7" reissue (with the remixed versions) from December 1983. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: KW & Ultramagnetic MCs Date: 18 Aug 1996 13:44:45 EDT >>> I think KW may have defined a lot for me. I am 25 now and trying to put together a KW collection. I bought the CD re-release of Man-Machine and it baffled me. 1978!! Just to damn F-R-E-S-H Fresh Fresh Fresh that's fresh!!! <<< I'm 25, too. BTW, did you get the Cleopatra or the Capitol/EMI reissue? Personally, I'm about to get TEE & RA on CD for the firs time, and I wouldn't DARE get the Cleopatra versions because they look really cheesy. I remember that F-R-E-S-H by the Fresh 3 MCs fondly--a classic. >>> I used to tell my homeboys, who are now dead or about to be, that even white kids used to listen to "our" shit. Some believed but most didn't. You confirmed alot for me. Where were you from? Remember the Ultramagnetic MCs? <<< I'm originally from Money-Makin' Manhattan, Peter Cooper to be exact, where I grew up and my parents still live; though now I'm livin' in Upstate New York, in the Hudson Valley reigion. Ultramagnetic is probably the most underrated hip-hop group of all time. "The Four Horsemen," released in 1993, is the shit, and it was in heavy rotation in my radio during my recent travels abroad. I played this at a party, and it immediately got panned--they don't know what time it is!!!! So I had to put up with nasty shit like Oasis--feh! BTW, they're now called just Ultra, and they released a new album with just Kool Keith and Tim Dog. Kool Keith has a solo album, too, recorded under the name "Dr. Octagon." I think "The Four Horsemen" is still in print; it's on Wild Pitch/EMI (E2-89917)--it sounds like nothing else--if you liked "Critical Beatdown," you'd like this. It sounds kinda weird, but what if KW remixed Ultramgnetic???? If you just joined the list, there is a HUGE list of classics and new shit that pays homage to or samples KW. One of my favorites was "Al-Nafiysh" by Hashim--still years ahead of its time! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: WNYC-TV Date: 18 Aug 1996 13:52:15 EDT >>> I am a New York native, but in Germany for the summer, so this is news to me. You are talking about WNYC TV, right? Channel 21? The radio station is up and running, I hope. I remember "buying my piece of the station" in the recent privatization campaign. <<< Sorry, WNYC-TV is no more--you could just imagine how pissed off I was. I had been in Israel for 6 months, and I was looking forward to watching "Video Music Box," which was the best video show ever (I was a fan since 1985). Now it's WBIS, specializing in sports nostalgia, complete with commercials. I hope Ralph McDaniels gets hired to work on the new MTV-2, although he and The Vid Kid make and have made terrible music videos under their Classic Concepts Productions banner. I remember seeing "M N-S" for the first time there, but I never saw the video for "The Telephone Call." Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: l.meyer@ix.netcom.com (L. Meyer ) Subject: Re: Little LCD display... Date: 18 Aug 1996 11:00:48 -0700 >From: Francesco Gardinali >Subject: Little LCD display... >Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 14:43:29 +6000 >A friend told me that the little LCD display on Fritz's robot on the >cover of "The Mix" is a little Bike Speed Computer. >Maybe perhaps? Yes... Frank. It looks more like one of those cheap digital alarm clocks to me. I even used to have one that looked a lot like that. And the mysterious last digit looks more like the stuff that those usually have on the display (eg: "AM/PM", "alarm on" simbol, etc) than a number, from what I can tell. |_ |\/| --- L.Meyer@ix.netcom.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: 'Dancing In The Street' Date: 18 Aug 1996 12:25:17 -0600 (MDT) > 'Dancing In The Street' is a joint venture between the UKs BBC channel > and the USs WGBH Boston station, so I imagine that it will be appearing > on US screens too before long. Actually the series aired in the US about six months ago under a different name (just "Rock And Roll", I think). I saw about the last two-thirds of it and it was *very* well-done -- it'll probably come around again before the end of the year over here and I encourage everyone to check it out. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: 'Tour De France' sheet music Date: 18 Aug 1996 14:42:39 EDT > Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > > > > I know the sheet music to "Autobahn" exists. > > >> EMI Music Publising published the sheet music for 'The Model' > > It is rumoured that EMI published also the sheet music for "Tour de > France". > Is somebody able to confirm this? Yes, there is officially published sheet music by EMI for 'Tour De France', I have checked this with a contact (John Shilcock) who has a copy. He has also confirmed that there is published music for 'Computer World' also - but this is not via EMI, it was in fact published in an edition of 'Electronics and Music Maker', a UK magazine from the early to mid-eighties. They would transcribe one song per issue, normally of an electronic nature (I can recall the quite amusing transcription of Kate Bush's 'The Dreaming' with its odd samples/sounds!) and I imagine the transcription for this would be much more accurate than the EMI ones which tend more towards a traditional arrangement. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Cleopatra/WNYC Date: 18 Aug 1996 19:14:07 -0400 (EDT) >I'm 25, too. BTW, did you get the Cleopatra or the Capitol/EMI reissue? >Personally, I'm about to get TEE & RA on CD for the firs time, and I >wouldn't DARE get the Cleopatra versions because they look really cheesy. Well, I've got the Cleopatra reissues of 'Radio-Activity', 'Trans-Europe Express', and 'The Man-Machine', and I am quite happy with them. My only real complaint with them was the butchering of the original album covers which the Capitol reissues seem to have made up for. However, as far as sound quality goes, I really don't find much of a problem at all with the Cleopatra versions. And, as I've mentioned before, the Cleopatra reissues continue to be priced slightly more expensive than the Capitol ones for whatever the reason may be. By the way, being another Kraftwerkian from New York, I also miss WNYC (channel 31). I used to watch 'Video Music Box' all the time right along with the rest of you and it's a real shame that it's gone now. Oh well, we've still got 'The Box' on channel 39 (and 2 other UHF stations), but obviously there hasn't been any Kraftwerk played on it yet. Maybe after the new album comes out we'll see their videos there. ;o) -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Re: 'Dancing In The Street' Date: 18 Aug 1996 19:46:24 EDT On Sun, 18 Aug 1996 12:25:17 -0600 (MDT) "Lazlo Nibble" writes: >> 'Dancing In The Street' is a joint venture between the UKs BBC >channel >> and the USs WGBH Boston station, so I imagine that it will be >appearing >> on US screens too before long. > >Actually the series aired in the US about six months ago under a >different >name (just "Rock And Roll", I think). I saw about the last two-thirds >of it >and it was *very* well-done -- it'll probably come around again before >the >end of the year over here and I encourage everyone to check it out. If this is the same as "Rock 'N Roll," they used only a brief clip of KW, and they said only that they were a "novelty act." Most of the time was used for Bam and everyone who came after. It was the episode called "Looking for the Perfect Beat." The rest of the series was geared toward more traditional rock music. I hope that this "Dancing in the Street" is a different series. I've never seen KW interviewed on TV, though there was an article in the NY Times in 1991 that discussed "The Mix" and their pending US tour with their robots. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Melzer" Subject: Test Date: 20 Aug 1996 00:22:28 +0200 Am Heimcomputer sitz ich hier Und programmier die Zukunft mir Michael Melzer e-mail: h8551159@asterix.wu-wien.ac.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mouthbreather Subject: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 19 Aug 1996 21:53 CDT I have a question. I bought Kraftwerk's Computer Love album, and I was wondering: Is the song Pocket Calculator about a blue box? (A device used to commit toll fraud over the phone lines, basically gives a user operator capabilities). Most of the lyrics lead me to believe so. Anyone have any information on this? -N@ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 20 Aug 1996 01:09:35 EDT On Mon, 19 Aug 96 21:53 CDT Mouthbreather writes: > >I have a question. I bought Kraftwerk's Computer Love album, and I >was >wondering: Is the song Pocket Calculator about a blue box? (A device >used >to commit toll fraud over the phone lines, basically gives a user >operator >capabilities). Most of the lyrics lead me to believe so. Anyone have >any >information on this? > >-N@ > I'm sorry, but that's one of the funniest queries I've ever heard. If you're in school, or if you do accounting, or other numerical operations without the use of a computer, and the device you use fits in your pocket, you're using a pocket calculator!!!! BTW, does anyone know how they lifted the sounds from the Texas Instruments Speak & Spell on CW, or were they invented by KW???? There were no sampling devices or hard disc audio recorders in 1981 like there are today. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 20 Aug 1996 08:20:10 -0400 (EDT) >I'm sorry, but that's one of the funniest queries I've ever heard. If >you're in school, or if you do accounting, or other numerical operations >without the use of a computer, and the device you use fits in your >pocket, you're using a pocket calculator!!!! Yes, I must agree that "Pocket Calculator" is indeed about precisely that - a pocket calculator. However, if you're bent on finding a cool electronic song about using a blue box, check out a song called "Krankphreak" on Psykosonik's 1993 self-titled debut album on TVT Records. :o) >BTW, does anyone know how they lifted the sounds from the Texas >Instruments Speak & Spell on CW, or were they invented by KW???? There >were no sampling devices or hard disc audio recorders in 1981 like there >are today. Peace. Well, without the samplers and the midi capabilities that we have today, I would imagine that KW just miked up the Speak & Spell and filtered out any external outside noise. I admit that the sound quality of those Texas Instruments sounds seem too clear and present to be simply miked up, but perhaps someone else can offer their hypothesis as to how this was done. Seeing as how KW were always ahead of everyone else when it came to new technologies, perhaps they had an early version of a sampler. Anyone? -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Troy Morehouse Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 20 Aug 1996 08:46:50 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Adam E Schefflan wrote: > BTW, does anyone know how they lifted the sounds from the Texas > Instruments Speak & Spell on CW, or were they invented by KW???? There > were no sampling devices or hard disc audio recorders in 1981 like there > are today. Peace. It's from my understanding that (from an interview in an early 80's Keyboard magazine - excellent article BTW) Kraftwerk used one of those pocket translator devices. They just queued up events and sent them to it (imitaring the keyboard entry on the unit). The voices on the track Computer World were from this device. Back in the early 80's they still used some tape, but they did have a home-made sampler that could hold about 10 seconds of 8-bit sound. If I had an OCR unit, I'd upload the inteview (it's about 10 pages long and contains numerous photos of some of their equipment. They stated that most of the keyboards they use were custom built or modified, -Troy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ralphg@dove.mtx.net.au (Ralf Grasso) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 20 Aug 1996 22:33:22 +0930 > > Well, without the samplers and the midi capabilities that we have >today, I would imagine that KW just miked up the Speak & Spell and filtered >out any external outside noise. I admit that the sound quality of those >Texas Instruments sounds seem too clear and present to be simply miked up, >but perhaps someone else can offer their hypothesis as to how this was done. >Seeing as how KW were always ahead of everyone else when it came to new >technologies, perhaps they had an early version of a sampler. Anyone? You don't have to use a mic to get the sounds, you feed the signal before the speaker straight into the mixer and eq. etc. Cheers # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: 'Dancing In The Street' Date: 20 Aug 1996 14:11:14 +0100 (BST) Ian Calder wrote:- > Footage of Kraftwerk shown is a live rendition of 'Autobahn' (the same clip as > shown on the 'Rock 'n' Roll Years' and 'Sounds Of The 70s' UK series and > originally from 'Tomorrows World'). Not quite the same, I think. Rather each drew on the same original recording. Wouldn't it be nice to think we might get to see the whole thing one day! > also Peter Hook, > bass guitarist with New Order, recounts a little tale of how Kraftwerk were > horrified > by the antiquated mixing desk to be found at Brittania Row studios (in London), > the very same one New Order had used for recording 'Blue Monday' - apparently > KW had hoped to recreate their own 'Blue Monday' inspired piece and, it seems, > decided to go as far as using the same studio?!! I think a "little tale" is the nicest way to describe this. It sounds to me like an update to the fable that Kraftwerk liked a New Order drum sound they once heard, then subsequently found it had been sampled from Kraftwerk... It just does not ring true. Overall it wasn't a bad programme, was it? Though I'm sure I'm not alone in questioning the importance of many of the mass-market acts and songs presented. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: 'Dancing In The Street' Date: 20 Aug 1996 11:58:39 -0400 (EDT) >Wouldn't it be nice to think we might get to see the whole thing one day! Yes, it would. :o) >I think a "little tale" is the nicest way to describe this. It sounds to me >like an update to the fable that Kraftwerk liked a New Order drum sound they >once heard, then subsequently found it had been sampled from Kraftwerk... >It just does not ring true. While we're discussing New Order and Kraftwerk here, perhaps one of you lads could stir my memory a bit. There's a song on New Order's 'Power, Corruption, and Lies' album from 1983 called "Your Silent Face" that was actually written as a sort of tribute to Kraftwerk, hence the "Europe Endless"-esque electronic arpeggios that are present throughout the track. This song originally had another working title, however, which slips my mind at the moment. Does anyone remember what it was? I believe it had the letters 'KW' in the title. >Overall it wasn't a bad programme, was it? Though I'm sure I'm not alone in >questioning the importance of many of the mass-market acts and songs >presented. Oh yeah, and as far as the programme went, I enjoyed the overall presentation. Just the very fact that Kraftwerk got their due was more than enough to keep me watching the whole thing. -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Date: 20 Aug 1996 17:13:09 +0200 (MET DST) Really-From: Infonaut unsubscribe kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Props part 3 Date: 20 Aug 1996 13:00:43 EDT >>> Just the very fact that Kraftwerk got their due was more than enough to keep me watching the whole thing. <<< Any time KW gets its overdue props is a miracle in and of itself. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: KW and KW2 Date: 19 Aug 1996 20:03:50 +0000 I was in my local Virgin megastore today and I saw KW and KW2 on CD. They looked very like legitimate releases; they both had the green traffic cone on the cover. One had a picture of Ralf and Florian in what I presume was Klingklang studio; it had white brick walls and a few keyboards. So... have they finally released them ? Or is Virgin selling illegal bootlegs? -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** A1200 28Mhz 020 545MB HD 6MB RAM ******| |***** Analogue Synth freak | JarreVangelisKraftwerkTangerineDream*| |***** ==================== | CarlosNumanErasureTomita *****| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "We don't need lessons from Brussels on how to be European. We have know that for centuries". -- Jean Michel Jarre # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: KW and KW2 Date: 20 Aug 1996 18:03:37 -0400 (EDT) >I was in my local Virgin megastore today and I saw KW and KW2 on CD. They >looked very like legitimate releases; they both had the green traffic cone on >the cover. One had a picture of Ralf and Florian in what I presume was >Klingklang studio; it had white brick walls and a few keyboards. > >So... have they finally released them ? Or is Virgin selling illegal bootlegs? Did you check the spine of the CDs to see what record label they were released under? If it's not Germanofon, it's possible that they're the other infamous bootleg versions of those 2 albums, the ones with the bonus live tracks from Cologne '75. I've got a Virgin Megastore right here in the city and I'd check into it if I thought they were really "official" releases, but I highly doubt that. -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca (Ra) Subject: Re: KW and KW2 Date: 20 Aug 1996 16:13:05 -0600 (MDT) > >I was in my local Virgin megastore today and I saw KW and KW2 on CD. They > >looked very like legitimate releases; they both had the green traffic cone on > >the cover. One had a picture of Ralf and Florian in what I presume was > >Klingklang studio; it had white brick walls and a few keyboards. I have KW, KW2 and R&F on CD, all released by Germanofon. They were pretty expensive here in Canada, but well worth it for a KW completist. /*-----------------------------------------------------------------------* | Soleil "Ra" Lapierre E-Mail: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | | WWW: http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Geek Code v3.1: GCS d-(?)(--) s:+>:- a-->? 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If it's not Germanofon, it's possible that they're the > other infamous bootleg versions of those 2 albums, the ones with the > bonus live tracks from Cologne '75. Can anyone who has the non-Germanofon boots comment on the sound quality, by the way? I've heard that the non-Germanofon Ralf & Florian isn't as good, as the Germanofon boot, but don't know about Kw1 and Kw2. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: KW and KW2 Date: 20 Aug 1996 19:20:10 -0400 (EDT) >Can anyone who has the non-Germanofon boots comment on the sound quality, by >the way? I've heard that the non-Germanofon Ralf & Florian isn't as good, >as the Germanofon boot, but don't know about Kw1 and Kw2. I've heard that the same is true of the non-Germanofon boots of 'KW' and 'KW2' in terms of the sound quality not being as good as the Germanofon ones, but I only own the Germanofon versions so I can't compare. Who's got the other ones that can give us their opinions? -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mouthbreather Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 20 Aug 1996 18:43 CDT At 01:09 AM 8/20/96 EDT, you wrote: > >On Mon, 19 Aug 96 21:53 CDT Mouthbreather writes: >> >>I have a question. I bought Kraftwerk's Computer Love album, and I >>was >>wondering: Is the song Pocket Calculator about a blue box? (A device >>used >>to commit toll fraud over the phone lines, basically gives a user >>operator >>capabilities). Most of the lyrics lead me to believe so. Anyone have >>any >>information on this? >> >>-N@ >> > >I'm sorry, but that's one of the funniest queries I've ever heard. If >you're in school, or if you do accounting, or other numerical operations >without the use of a computer, and the device you use fits in your >pocket, you're using a pocket calculator!!!! Your probably right, but it's just that it isn't "I'm the operator ON my pocket calculator" but instead "...WITH my pocket calculator. And plus their's the business about controlling (ie: phone lines) and playing little melodies, something I have never heard a calculator do... -N@ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 20 Aug 1996 20:55:34 -0400 (EDT) >Your probably right, but it's just that it isn't "I'm the operator ON my >pocket calculator" but instead "...WITH my pocket calculator. I fail to see how the lyric "I'm the operator WITH my pocket calculator" transforms the song from talking about a pocket calculator into a song about utilizing a blue box device for phone phreaking. >And plus their's the business about controlling (ie: phone lines) and playing >little melodies, something I have never heard a calculator do... Ah, well then you haven't seen 'Kraftwerk's' pocket calculators, have you? :o) Take advantage of any opportunity to check out footage of KW performing the song live in concert, and you'll find that Kraftwerk not only "control" and "compose" on their pocket calculators, but they also "press down a special key and it plays a little melody". -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: KW1 &KW2 Date: 20 Aug 1996 21:20:31 EDT These joints seem to have become hot topics lately. But can anyone tell me what label they were released on originally, both in the US and abroad? >>> ...it's just that it isn't "I'm the operator ON my pocket calculator" but instead "...WITH my pocket calculator. And plus their's the business about controlling (ie: phone lines) and playing little melodies, something I have never heard a calculator do... <<< I think you're being too literal. However, the lyric seems prophetic, being that the Apple Newton was invented over 10 years AFTER "PC." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: "Your Silent Face" Date: 20 Aug 1996 21:33:13 EDT >There's a song on New Order's 'Power, Corruption, and Lies' album from 1983 >called "Your Silent Face"... This song originally had another working >title, however... Does anyone remember what it was? It's "(The) Kraftwerk One" which became "KW1", and then, for some reason, "Kwi" - this is the title used on the original 1983 Factory US release which I have the cassette version of. Regards, STAGGMAN. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Brittania Row Studios Date: 20 Aug 1996 21:33:16 EDT >I think a "little tale" is the nicest way to describe this. It sounds to me >like an update to the fable that Kraftwerk liked a New Order drum sound they >once heard, then subsequently found it had been sampled from Kraftwerk... >It just does not ring true. Mmmm... know what you mean about it not ringing true... but then again... KW were obviously in a bit of a malaise around this time, scrapping "Technopop", and then looking to Francois Kevorkian, and to other studios outside Kling Klang, to remix "Tour De France" and then "Electric Cafe". I'm not suggesting that they went as far as to book the studio and transport their gear over, but I do reckon it's quite possible they checked it out at some point. Whad'ya reckon? Regards, STAGGMAN. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: l.meyer@ix.netcom.com (L. Meyer ) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 20 Aug 1996 18:48:05 -0700 >To: kraftwerk@xmission.com >From: Mouthbreather >Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator >Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 18:43 CDT >Your probably right, but it's just that it isn't "I'm the operator ON >my pocket calculator" but instead "...WITH my pocket calculator. I guess that's just because they decided that "WITH" would sound better than "ON". ;-) > And plus their's the business about controlling (ie: phone lines) >and playing little melodies, something I have never heard a calculator >do... Don't you remember those Casio calculators from the early '80s? I used to have one that besides having a note for each key, it also played "When The Saints Go..." when I pressed down a special key. It even came with a small book with instructions on how to play some musics. And if that wasn't enough, it also had a game built in. ;-) |_ |\/| --- L.Meyer@ix.netcom.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: Re: Brittania Row Studios Date: 20 Aug 1996 23:50:26 -0500 This is from John Came's webpages at http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/came/camemore.htm <> Is this more gossip, or part of "Technopop" lore? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 21 Aug 1996 05:52:25 +0200 At 21:53 19/08/96 CDT, you wrote: >I have a question. I bought Kraftwerk's Computer Love album, and I was Computer World album? >wondering: Is the song Pocket Calculator about a blue box? (A device noooo... good ol' K praising illegal behaviors... couldn't be. is clearly about... well, pocket calculators. you add, you subtract. push a button and a melody come out. something like the old casio vl1 mini-micro keyboard, the one providing the rhythm for Da Da Da, the old german band Trio one off hit. if you see them live they also use a pocket device whrn performing this song and let the public to try to play it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 21 Aug 1996 05:52:28 +0200 >out any external outside noise. I admit that the sound quality of those >Texas Instruments sounds seem too clear and present to be simply miked up, [...] >technologies, perhaps they had an early version of a sampler. Anyone? well, maybe they opened the TI S&S, cabled out the speaker and connected the wires directly to a mixer or to a tape machine. for myself, I would have tried this, even if I had a sampler. why put air and mic membrane and circuitry between you and your sound? :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 21 Aug 1996 05:52:30 +0200 >It's from my understanding that (from an interview in an early 80's >If I had an OCR unit, I'd upload the inteview (it's about 10 pages long well, could you obtain some low sized but readable gif or jpg of the pages of the interview? then you could attach them one at a time every 2 or 3 days to a mex to this list, if the owner and fellow listers think it's fine... or you could upload them to a newsgroup... being more than 15 years old (the interview, not me - well, me too... :-) ), I see no (c) problems... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: KW and KW2 Date: 21 Aug 1996 04:36:36 EDT > From: Brendan Heading > > I was in my local Virgin megastore today and I saw KW and KW2 on CD. They > looked very like legitimate releases; they both had the green traffic cone on > the cover. One had a picture of Ralf and Florian in what I presume was > Klingklang studio; it had white brick walls and a few keyboards. > > So... have they finally released them ? Or is Virgin selling illegal bootlegs? That'll be the Germanofon releases, they've turned up in my local Virgin Megastore too, though the branches in Glasgow and Manchester have had them on sale, sporadically anyway, for quite some time. Are they bootlegs? I think so definitely, yes. The Germanofon label states that they are not, EMI don't comment either way, Virgin say that they do not stock bootlegs and that the CDs are distributed by a reputable distributor. So ... ?!! These Germanofon CDs are mastered from vinyl copies of the LPs, but are not too bad at all and far better than the other set of the same LPs on CD (the ones that have an extra track per CD). The packaging is also a good attempt to preserve the original sleeve designs. If you come by 'Ralf and Florian', try to see if it comes with two inserts - the Germanofon one should have a single insert with the UK and German sleeve designs on each side and also a separate booklet with a reproduction of the Musicomix poster. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Godfrey Subject: Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #4 Date: 21 Aug 1996 07:54:14 -0600 (MDT) >From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:58:39 -0400 (EDT) >While we're discussing New Order and Kraftwerk here, perhaps one of you lads >could stir my memory a bit. There's a song on New Order's 'Power, >Corruption, and Lies' album from 1983 called "Your Silent Face" that was >actually written as a sort of tribute to Kraftwerk, hence the "Europe >Endless"-esque electronic arpeggios that are present throughout the track. >This song originally had another working title, however, which slips my mind >at the moment. Does anyone remember what it was? I believe it had the >letters 'KW' in the title. I think it originally had a working title of "KW1" or "KW2". I saw a lot of New Order live tapes from that period (before the PC&L album was released). On most occasions the people who recorded the gigs had taken the handwritten set-lists from the stage at the end of the concert and copied the titles of the 'new songs' straight from there. You may still be able to find N.O. bootlegs from 1982/83 with the original titles mentioned in the track listing... Incidentally, as the song "Blue Monday" was discussed recently, I thought I'd mention a loosely related titbit. Shortly after the release of B.M., Divine (actor/singer/tv/larger-than-life-personality) released a single called "Love Reaction", which was a direct ripoff of B.M. (but an excellent dance track in its own right). I heard a tape of New Order recorded in Brixton some time in 1983 where, as an encore, they followed B.M. with their own version of "Love Reaction"... Perhaps Kraftwerk could play a cover of Afrika Bambaataa's "Planet Rock"? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MCINTYRE@pa.msu.edu Subject: Re: KW and KW2 Date: 21 Aug 1996 10:01:11 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Lazlo Nibble" >Can anyone who has the non-Germanofon boots comment on the sound quality, by >the way? I've heard that the non-Germanofon Ralf & Florian isn't as good, >as the Germanofon boot, but don't know about Kw1 and Kw2. There is some noticable surface noise, especially on Kw2. The Germanofon boots are extremely clean, much more enjoyable than the others. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Bambi, KWH & Mouse on Mars Date: 21 Aug 1996 12:05:10 EDT >>> Perhaps Kraftwerk could play a cover of Afrika Bambaataa's "Planet Rock"? <<< They did--even if it's just as Elektric Music on the PR Remix album!!!! Flur & Bartos did a brilliant job remixing this joint--it sounds like vintage KW, with more "modern" drum machine sounds. BTW, has anyone heard of the British group Mouse on Mars? Wolfgang Flur is listed as playing drums on the first track of "Iaora Tahiti." They've been described as "KW with a sense of humor." They don't really sound like KW, but, regardless, it's still good shit. Both of their albums are available in the US on Too Pure/American Recordings/WB. Check it out. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tom Nuttall) Subject: Man, Machine and Music Date: 21 Aug 1996 18:01 BST-1 I've just completed Bussy's book, and while on first reading I found it badly-written, pretentious, gushy and not even partocularly informative, that's not what I want to discuss. Rather, it's the passage about the 'ambiguity' of the original version of Radioactivity (the track), on page 71 for those who have the book. I quote: "By tackling a nuclear theme, Kraftwerk were reflecting a current political concern.By the mid-70s the anti-nuclear movement was gaining ground and young people in particular were becoming concerned about ecology and the environment... However, many people missed the irony of the lyric to "Radio-Activity" which on first listening, appeared to sing its praises, with "it's in the air for you and me". The lyric has a romantic mood about it, like an unexpected updated version of Tristan and Isolde. In fact, it was intended as a humourous denunciation of nuclear power. Inevitably it was misinterpreted by those unable to see further than the surface, accusing Kraftwerk of being flippantly at odds with German youth. Not for the first time, some journalists wrongly surmised that Kraftwerk were trying to poke fun at people." Well, I'm sorry for being unable to see further than the surface, but I can not detect one iota of irony in the track, nor one single sign that the track is a 'humourous denunciation of nuclear power'. Can someone please enlighten me? For what it's worth, I hope Bussy is wrong, as I would hate to imagine Kraftwerk as faddish. The nuclear decay process is a beautiful one (captured perfectly in 'Uranium') and far better suited to Kraftwerk's abilities than an ill-informed populist movement. It's for this reason that the 1991 version of Radioactivity annoys me. Tom Nuttall (nuts@cix.compulink.co.uk) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 21 Aug 1996 11:40:12 -0600 (MDT) > well, could you obtain some low sized but readable gif or jpg of the pages > of the interview? > > then you could attach them one at a time every 2 or 3 days to a mex to this > list, if the owner and fellow listers think it's fine... or you could upload > them to a newsgroup... being more than 15 years old (the interview, not me > - well, me too... :-) ), I see no (c) problems... Two things: 1) Copyrights don't just magically vanish after fifteen years; 2) The list intro message is pretty explicit when it says not to post binaries to the list. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: Brittania Row Studios Date: 21 Aug 1996 11:41:04 -0600 (MDT) > This is from John Came's webpages at > > http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/came/camemore.htm > > < album - when they couldn't, they shelved the album.>> > > Is this more gossip, or part of "Technopop" lore? Don't take anything written about "John Came" too seriously. There's no such person, for one thing. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: Re: KW posting on mailing lists Date: 21 Aug 1996 19:41:44 MET > difficult to live with just the incomes of the artistical activity, so maybe > artists has a second professional life even more time consuming (cfr. > stories about a possibile furniture shops for Ralf). Excuse me, I'm a little bit out of time. I know. But could you specify "dfr. stories". I haven't heard anything about it. Thank you ! Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Man, Machine and Music Date: 21 Aug 1996 14:04:34 -0400 (EDT) >Well, I'm sorry for being unable to see further than the surface, but I >can not detect one iota of irony in the track, nor one single sign that >the track is a 'humourous denunciation of nuclear power'. Can someone >please enlighten me? While I admittedly did find Bussy's book more entertaining and enjoyable than you did, I find myself in agreement with you on this issue regarding the alleged irony in "Radio-Activity". The original version of the track from 1975 contains lyrics which can easily be interpreted as having a 'positive' type of message: "Radioactivity - is in the air for you and me." "Radioactivity - discovered by Madame Curie." "Radioactivity - tune into the melody." Nothing negative there. Furthermore, I feel that the presence of the tracks "Uranium" and "Geiger Counter" on the 'Radio-Acitvity' album just aids in making "Radio-Activity" seem like one of several songs that promotes the wonders of science. After all, the entire theme of the 'Radio-Activity' album is basically a glorification of science and technology. Listen to the lyrics of "Uranium" and you'll find that it's more of a brief science lesson than a warning of any kind: "Through constant decay, Uranium creates the radioactive ray..." It wasn't until Kraftwerk re-mixed "Radio-Activity" in 1991 and added rather obvious lyrics of warning and danger that the song came to take on a more pessimistic feeling of disaster: "Tschernobyl, Harrisburg, Sellafield, Hiroshema..." "Stop the radioactivity..." "Chain reaction and mutation...contaminated population..." Notice that the original lyric "tune into the melody" has been removed in this new remixed version, probably because it makes the song sound too positive and optimistic like the original version. Therefore, it seems only logical that the original 1975 version was not meant to be some kind of protest against the dangers of radioactivity. This concept came later on. >For what it's worth, I hope Bussy is wrong, as I would hate to imagine >Kraftwerk as faddish. If anything, I'd say that Kraftwerk are the ones who have created the fads, not followed them. >abilities than an ill-informed populist movement. It's for this reason >that the 1991 version of Radioactivity annoys me. Maybe lyrically, but you've gotta admit that it's one damn good dance mix of that song! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Troy Morehouse Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 21 Aug 1996 14:46:52 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > well, could you obtain some low sized but readable gif or jpg of the pages > > of the interview? > > Two things: > > 1) Copyrights don't just magically vanish after fifteen years; > 2) The list intro message is pretty explicit when it says not to post > binaries to the list. I suppose I could just stick them in my homepage as GIF's. -Troy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: KW and KW2 Date: 20 Aug 1996 23:41:27 +0000 flibble smeerie Scott M. Barnhill, neaaarrriiiee Re: KW and KW2 larmy wibble wibble waltz... > Did you check the spine of the CDs to see what record label they >were released under? If it's not Germanofon, it's possible that they're the >other infamous bootleg versions of those 2 albums, the ones with the bonus >live tracks from Cologne '75. I've got a Virgin Megastore right here in the >city and I'd check into it if I thought they were really "official" >releases, but I highly doubt that. The typeface used to list the tracks on the back were all in a computer-style typeface; like Electric Cafe's track lists. I'll go and have another look if I get a chance... hope nobody buys 'em :) They were marked as "import", though, and only cost 15.99UKP . I never thought of looking at the spine :( ># Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? ># Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. er, no :) -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** A1200 28Mhz 020 545MB HD 6MB RAM ******| |***** Analogue Synth freak | JarreVangelisKraftwerkTangerineDream*| |***** ==================== | CarlosNumanErasureTomita *****| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "Jarre's music to me shows what you can do with a PURE, and a natural mind. I celebrate that beauty of the human ability. -Mirai, on drugs (not taking drugs, but about them !!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: KW and KW2 Date: 21 Aug 1996 16:05:18 -0400 (EDT) >The typeface used to list the tracks on the back were all in a computer-style >typeface; like Electric Cafe's track lists. Well, the track listing on my Germanofon copies of 'KW' and 'KW2' are all written in a very standard looking typewriter font. >They were marked as "import", though, and only cost 15.99UKP . I never thought >of looking at the spine :( Without the added bonus live tracks from Cologne '75, I'd venture to say that these have gotta be the Germanofon versions. As someone else already mentioned, he noticed the Germanofon boots were indeed in the Virgin Megastore. Furthermore, when I purchased my Germanofon boots of 'KW' and 'KW2', I found them in HMV Records with the same kind of "import" sticker on them and priced about $10 higher than regular CDs, so they're probably Germanofon after all. -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Re: Do 8-Track Tapes of Kraftwerk exist??? Date: 21 Aug 1996 16:20:05 -0400 Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I have sealed (!) 8-track copies of "Autobahn" and "Ralf And Florian"!!!!!! that I got a garage sale a few years ago! God knows where they got them from. They are among my most treasured artifacts of my existence on this planet> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Huetter in '71/Revealing Posters? Date: 21 Aug 1996 17:44:04 -0400 (EDT) We all know that there was a 6 month period in 1971 during which Ralf was not actually a functioning member of Kraftwerk. Bussy writes: "Krahnemann's exit was amazingly followed by Hutter himself and for a six month period the group consisted of Schneider, Rother, and Dinger." Does anyone have more insight into what exactly prompted Ralf to leave the band for this stretch of time? On the same page of the book (p. 32), Bussy writes: "With a successful recording under their belts (meaning the debut album 'Kraftwerk'), the group's confidence had grown to such an extent that they were able to consider playing more concerts in their native Germany. These concerts were often advertised with a poster featuring the red and white traffic cone with a naked woman superimposed on it." This had surprised me the first time I read it because a naked woman is probably one of the last things I would associate with my image of Kraftwerk, unless of course the naked woman was a mannequin. In any event, has anyone here ever seen these posters from 1971 that Bussy is referring to? I'm curious to know how such an image ties into the conceptualism of Kraftwerk at the time, or was it just as simple as a basic promotional stunt to get people down to their shows? -- Scott M. Barnhill "Yes, and so what if I *do* have a traffic cone in my recording studio?" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: RE: Do 8-Track Tapes of Kraftwerk exist??? Date: 21 Aug 1996 16:41:52 -0400 Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." LUCKY YOU!! I'm GREEN with Envy. Lon >Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com > > >I have sealed (!) 8-track copies of "Autobahn" and "Ralf And Florian"!!!!!! >that I got a garage sale a few years ago! God knows where they got them from. >They are among my most treasured artifacts of my existence on this planet> > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: RE: Do 8-Track Tapes of Kraftwerk exist??? Date: 21 Aug 1996 19:21:30 -0400 (EDT) >LUCKY YOU!! > >I'm GREEN with Envy. I'm jealous too, but that's because I've got an 8-track player over here and nothing but the Village People to listen to on it!!! -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Damn!!!! Date: 21 Aug 1996 21:07:31 EDT >>> I have sealed (!) 8-track copies of "Autobahn" and "Ralf And Florian"!!!!!! that I got a garage sale a few years ago! God knows where they got them from. They are among my most treasured artifacts of my existence on this planet <<< Jesus fucking Christ!!!! You can only imagine what they're worth. What labels/catalog #s? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: KW posting on mailing lists Date: 22 Aug 1996 05:35:43 +0200 At 19:41 21/08/96 MET, you wrote: >> stories about a possibile furniture shops for Ralf). > >But could you specify "dfr. stories". I haven't heard anything about well, first let me point oput that these are just rumours. I don't remember where and when, but I definitely remember to have heard/read that Ralf could own/manage a furinture shop in duesseldorf. I remember about this because, and of this I am sure, I was told about a guy who tried to find out K in duesseldorf by searching for any suitable shop. again, these furniture shop could be just false. I told about this just to say that maybe K members don't take all the money to live from records incomes. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de Subject: Furniture shop Date: 22 Aug 1996 11:09:30 +0000 > well, first let me point oput that these are just rumours. I don't remember > where and when, but I definitely remember to have heard/read that Ralf could > own/manage a furinture shop in duesseldorf. > again, these furniture shop could be just false. Partly false, but not completely. In fact it wasn't Ralf Huetter, but Wolfgang Fluer, and it was rather a gallery than an ordinary shop ("Atelier Fluer"). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) Subject: Radioactivity Date: 22 Aug 1996 10:01:34 -0400 >>Well, I'm sorry for being unable to see further than the surface, but I >>can not detect one iota of irony in the track [...] >[...]alleged irony in "Radio-Activity". The original version of the track from >1975 contains lyrics which can easily be interpreted as having a 'positive' type >of message: > >"Radioactivity - is in the air for you and me." >"Radioactivity - discovered by Madame Curie." >"Radioactivity - tune into the melody." It might be useful to note that Kraftwerk themselves, having realized that the irony in the track was easy to detect, took the opportunity when performing the song LIVE to add the words "STOP RADIOACTIVITY" to the lyrics during the 1981 tour - A decade before The Mix was released! Yes, they indeed were protesting the useage of radioactivity back then even! >[...]but you've gotta admit that it's one damn good. >dance mix of that song! Damn right!!!!! One of my favorites! -John # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Holmberg" Subject: Re: Furniture shop Date: 22 Aug 1996 11:27:54 +0000 Is "Atelier Fluer" still in business? If so, what kind of stuff do they display/sell? Gustav > Partly false, but not completely. In fact it wasn't Ralf Huetter, but > Wolfgang Fluer, and it was rather a gallery than an ordinary shop > ("Atelier Fluer"). > > Klaus Zaepke > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 21 Aug 1996 22:41:29 +0000 flibble smeerie Mouthbreather, neaaarrriiiee Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator larmy wibble wibble waltz... >I have a question. I bought Kraftwerk's Computer Love album, and I was >wondering: Is the song Pocket Calculator about a blue box? (A device used >to commit toll fraud over the phone lines, basically gives a user operator >capabilities). Most of the lyrics lead me to believe so. Anyone have any >information on this? Erm, I think it's about a pocket calculator, weirdly enough. Well, I don't recall seeing any blue boxes that do adding and subtracting :) But, I haven't seen any calculators at all that made a little melody when you press down a special key. The song was definitely influenced by calculators - Ralf himself has said so. -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** A1200 28Mhz 020 545MB HD 6MB RAM ******| |***** Analogue Synth freak | JarreVangelisKraftwerkTangerineDream*| |***** ==================== | CarlosNumanErasureTomita *****| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "Giving money to governments is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys" -- Anonymous # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 21 Aug 1996 22:41:41 +0000 flibble smeerie Ralf Grasso, neaaarrriiiee Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator larmy wibble wibble waltz... >You don't have to use a mic to get the sounds, you feed the signal before >the speaker straight into the mixer and eq. etc. Erm, the speak and spell didn't have a line out, so this was kinda difficult:) -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** A1200 28Mhz 020 545MB HD 6MB RAM ******| |***** Analogue Synth freak | JarreVangelisKraftwerkTangerineDream*| |***** ==================== | CarlosNumanErasureTomita *****| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "I didn't want to make music any longer. I didn't want to be a robot. I didn't want to make concerts, even, I didn't want to be with the boys after all those years" --- Wolfgang Fleur, on leaving Kraftwerk in 1987. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 21 Aug 1996 22:41:41 +0000 flibble smeerie Troy Morehouse, neaaarrriiiee Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator larmy wibble wibble waltz... > BTW, does anyone know how they lifted the sounds from the Texas > Instruments Speak & Spell on CW, or were they invented by KW???? There > were no sampling devices or hard disc audio recorders in 1981 like there > are today. Peace. Well, I know they had their custom sample playback unit, but I don't think there was really any need for that. They prolly just recorded straight out of the speaker, or dismantled the unit and wired the speaker into a line in on the tape machine. -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** A1200 28Mhz 020 545MB HD 6MB RAM ******| |***** Analogue Synth freak | JarreVangelisKraftwerkTangerineDream*| |***** ==================== | CarlosNumanErasureTomita *****| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "Musak is the shit you hear in elevators and supermarkets". -- Jean Michel Jarre # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 22 Aug 1996 13:36:01 -0600 (MDT) >> You don't have to use a mic to get the sounds, you feed the signal before >> the speaker straight into the mixer and eq. etc. > > Erm, the speak and spell didn't have a line out, so this was kinda difficult:) I think Kraftwerk are clever enough to pop the case on the thing and rewire the speaker connection. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Date: 22 Aug 96 21:06:54 EDT Subject: Mouse On Mars > BTW, has anyone heard of the British group Mouse on Mars? Wolfgang Flur > is listed as playing drums on the first track of "Iaora Tahiti." They've > been described as "KW with a sense of humor." They don't really sound > like KW, but, regardless, it's still good shit. Both of their albums are > available in the US on Too Pure/American Recordings/WB. Check it out. > Peace. It is good, well worth investigating - they pay a lot of attention to conjuring up original sounds and rhythms. They are German, not British though. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Pocket Calculators Date: 22 Aug 1996 21:07:04 EDT > I used to have one that besides having a note for each key, it also > played "When The Saints Go..." when I pressed down a special key. It > even came with a small book with instructions on how to play some > musics. And if that wasn't enough, it also had a game built in. ;-) The ultimate item is of course the official Kraftwerk pocket calculator, which was given as a promotional item in 1981 for 'Computer World'. Packaged in a box, there is 'music' that allows you to recreate some Kraftwerk favourites; 'Trans-Europe Express', 'Autobahn', 'The Model' etc. Instead of musical notation, it is the symbols of each key of the pocket calculator that are used. therefore, 'Autobahn', for instance, becomes; 4 4 X X 4 4 X 4 4 X X 4 4 X X #6 8 4 X #6 8 4 - 8 9 5 - 8 9 5 9 8 7 6 9 8 7 6 #6 8 9 The particular make and model of this Kraftwerk calculator is a Casio VL-80. The top of the calculator has KRAFTWERK printed on it and the plastic wallet in which it is housed also sports a KRAFTWERK TASCHENRECHNER message. Collectability rating; f*@~%!g rare! Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: Pocket Calculators Date: 23 Aug 1996 04:15:38 +0200 >The ultimate item is of course the official Kraftwerk pocket calculator, >which was given as a promotional item in 1981 for 'Computer World'. there are some pictures somewhere of that thing? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Troy Morehouse Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 23 Aug 1996 08:37:36 -0400 (EDT) On 21 Aug 1996, Brendan Heading wrote: > >You don't have to use a mic to get the sounds, you feed the signal before > >the speaker straight into the mixer and eq. etc. > > Erm, the speak and spell didn't have a line out, so this was kinda difficult:) That has never stopped my friends and I from hooking up our cheesey gear to our mixer. Just pop open the case, find the amp, and just ad a line out. -Troy P.S. I had a calculator that played a melody (not very good, mind you but that was 10 years ago). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rigtech@wintermute.co.uk (Alasdair Ross Corrigall) Subject: New Member... Date: 23 Aug 1996 16:10:23 +0100 Hi, just a brief note to say hello to everybody out there in Kraftwerkland. My name is Al and I've just joined the list. I have been into Kraftwerk since '81 and finally managed to see them live 10 years later! I have my own home studio/sequencing setup consisting of several synths (the Kraftwerk influence) - Waldorf MicroWave, Jupiter 6, Roland VP330 Vocoder, Casio FZ1 all controlled (the MIDI ones) by an old Atari 1040ST running Creator. I am very interested in Kraftwerk from the technical side - what gear they use - as well as the music. I believe I am fairly knowledgable on the gear side and over the years have amassed a large collection of magazines/publications for reference to synths. I'd like to say thanks to Ian (Aktivitat) Calder for giving me the info to join the list and can somebody now tell me when the next Kraftwerk album is out? (hur hur).... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rigtech@wintermute.co.uk (Alasdair Ross Corrigall) Subject: New Member... Date: 23 Aug 1996 16:10:23 +0100 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Casio KW Pocket Calculator Date: 23 Aug 1996 12:42:32 EDT >>>> The ultimate item is of course the official Kraftwerk pocket calculator, which was given as a promotional item in 1981 for 'Computer World'. Packaged in a box, there is 'music' that allows you to recreate some Kraftwerk favorites; 'Trans-Europe Express', 'Autobahn', 'The Model' etc. Instead of musical notation, it is the symbols of each key of the pocket calculator that are used. therefore, 'Autobahn', for instance, becomes; 4 4 X X 4 4 X 4 4 X X 4 4 X X #6 8 4 X #6 8 4 - 8 9 5 - 8 9 5 9 8 7 6 9 8 7 6 #6 8 9 <<<< Can anyone remember the model number? Someone said it was a Casio. I dare anyone to communicate w/ them to try and see if they can get one. Did it have drum beats too???? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Barth Subject: Organisation - Tone Float Date: 23 Aug 1996 19:52:37 +0200 Good Evening, Yesterday I got my Organisation - Tone Float CD. What an excellent piece of music. I like especially Noitasingro. But the rest is also a good document of how Kraftwerk started. BTW I got it very easy and for only DM24!!! If you want to know how (or how to get the other pre-autobahn CD's), look at the music database of GEMM. I removed the "for_seller" and release_country" parameters to get the whole list. The adres to find it is: http://205.214.59.5/gemm/GEMM/cgi-bin/quickgemm.pl?for_seller=&wild=Kraftwer k&release_country= Erik Barth "Ahhhhh" - Tour de France dbarth@xs4all.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Re: Japanese "Computer World" Reissue Date: 23 Aug 1996 15:07:54 -0400 Really-From: "C. Morton" I am a Kraftwerk fan and I am dying to have a copy of Tour De France on CD. How can I get a copy of the Japan "ComputerWorld" release. I am in Virginia. Is it import only or will it be released in the US? Please reply. Also, are there remixes of "Numbers" available on disc? All Purpose charlest@cfw.com ---------- > From: kraftwerk mailing list > Newsgroups: uwp.maillist.kraftwerk > Subject: Re: Japanese "Computer World" Reissue > Date: Friday, August 16, 1996 12:59 PM > > Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) > > > >Really-From: Alex Wilson > > > > > >Klaus (et. al.)- > > > >>Release date for the Japanese reissue of "Computer World": > >>28.08.1996. > > > >Can you tell me more about this release? Is it true it will have two > >versions of Tour De France? Are there any other bonus tracks? > Yes this is true! The only additional track is the 1981 version of > "Dentaku". > > >Oh, and on another note, can anyone recommend "alternative" recordings of > >Kraftwerk? The quality varies so much in those sorts of recordings that one > >has to be careful, but I would love to hear some live/outtake Kraftwerk. > I recommend the following (all with quite good sound quality): > > "Kling Und Klang" CD - LIVE Milano 1991 > "Tanz Music" CD - LIVE Switzerland 1991 (Incomplete concert) > "Neue Kraft" 2LP Pic Disk - LIVE Copenhagen 1991 > "Numbers" aka "Nippon Numbers" CD - LIVE 1981 (Incomplete concert) > "The Remix" - Includes the two infamous demo versions of "Techno Pop" and > "Sex Object" > "Computertour" CD - LIVE 1981 Includes LIVE version of "Metropolis" > (Sound quality on first half of CD is EXCELLENT, second half if not > too great) > "Return of the Mensch Machine" 2LP - LIVE 1990 (Alternate versions of The > Mix songs) > > > I hope this helps. > > -John Talbert > > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator Date: 23 Aug 1996 22:04:43 +0000 flibble smeerie Lazlo Nibble, neaaarrriiiee Re: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator larmy wibble wibble waltz... >I think Kraftwerk are clever enough to pop the case on the thing and rewire >the speaker connection. If ya'd read my other posting, you'd see I pointed this out. -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** A1200 28Mhz 020 545MB HD 6MB RAM ******| |***** Analogue Synth freak | JarreVangelisKraftwerkTangerineDream*| |***** ==================== | CarlosNumanErasureTomita *****| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Melzer" Subject: Espanol Date: 24 Aug 1996 02:56:51 +0200 Guten Abend aus Wien! Buenas noches desde Viena! Is there someone from Spain on the Kraftwerk Mailing list? I am interested in the spanish recordings of Kraftwerk. Does someone have an idea where you can find them? I will be in Barcelona (and in Rome) soon, so addresses of record stores there would be really helpful, but also other recommandations (in Spain or anywhere) are welcome! Michael Melzer e-mail: h8551159@asterix.wu-wien.ac.at eins zwei drei vier fuenf sechs sieben acht one two uno dos cuatro uno due tre cuatro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Numbers Date: 23 Aug 1996 22:54:19 EDT eins zwei drei vier fuenf sechs sieben acht one two uno dos thres cuatro un deux trois quatres each neat sun sheet Anyone else???? Did anyone here Elektric Music's work with Information Society? Peace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: Numbers Date: 24 Aug 1996 05:39:25 +0200 At 22:54 23/08/96 EDT, you wrote: >eins zwei drei vier fuenf sechs >sieben acht >one two >uno dos thres cuatro actually: unos dos tres cuatro >un deux trois quatres no 4 in the french phrase... >each neat sun sheet the correct spelling should be ich ni san shi anyway this is a translation, so anything goes. >Anyone else???? then: odin dva tri (russian) uno due tre quattro (italian) >Did anyone here Elektric Music's work with Information Society? Peace > > > > ># Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? ># Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Favorite Posts of the Day. Date: 23 Aug 1996 23:49:50 -0400 (EDT) These were my two personal favorite lines of texts from the list's posts for today (Fri, 8/23): >join the list and can somebody now tell me when the next Kraftwerk album is >out? (hur hur).... This one just gave me a big smile. :o) All I can say is, 1) Welcome to the list as it's always cool to get some new people involved in our discussions, and 2) Don't get your hopes up that there'll be an easy answer to your question - We're all as in the dark on this one as you are!! Read the archived back-digests of this list's posts and you'll see what I mean. And, my favorite line of text #2: >each neat sun sheet That's gotta be one of the most interesting interpretations of Japanese numbers that I've ever seen. ;o) -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: LFO on 'Information' Date: 24 Aug 1996 09:33:18 EDT Found this interesting little snippet in an interview with LFO featured in the June 96 issue of the US dance culture magazine 'URB': "...with Karl Bartos from Kraftwerk it was totally different, but a really good experience for us and him. They just think of things that are so in-depth before they even start touching the keyboard. The concept of everything that would go with (a track). We did a song with them called 'Information' and they'd listen to the rhythm of the word (in-for-ma-tion) and match the bassline to it so it would suggest that to you. Then we did a snare drum pattern that was 'information' in morse code." Presumably this refers to the original unreleased collaboration as I can't make out a snare pattern that that - can anyone else? STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Each neat sun sheet Date: 24 Aug 1996 12:12:42 EDT >>> That's gotta be one of the most interesting interpretations of Japanese numbers that I've ever seen. <<< Didn't know they were Japanese. I had no idea. I thought "ichiban" was one in Japanese. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Re: LFO on 'Information' Date: 24 Aug 1996 12:12:42 EDT On 24 Aug 96 09:33:18 EDT Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> writes: >Found this interesting little snippet in an interview with LFO >featured in the >June 96 issue of the US dance culture magazine 'URB': > >"...with Karl Bartos from Kraftwerk it was totally different, but a >really good >experience for us and him. They just think of things that are so >in-depth before >they even start touching the keyboard. The concept of everything that >would go >with (a track). We did a song with them called 'Information' and >they'd listen >to the rhythm of the word (in-for-ma-tion) and match the bassline to >it so it >would suggest that to you. Then we did a snare drum pattern that was >'information' in morse code." > >Presumably this refers to the original unreleased collaboration as I >can't make >out a snare pattern that that - can anyone else? > >STAGGMAN > You're British, right? Well, we only got LFO's 1st album, "Frequencies," in the US on Tommy Boy/WB. What's the name of that album? Personally, on that note, I think that 808 State should work w/ KW. Does anyone know when 808's new album will hit these shores???? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Pre-"Radioactivity" reissue idea Date: 24 Aug 1996 19:50:37 EDT Check this out: has anyone heard of the reissue label Infinite Zero, part of Rick Rubin's American Recordings? Maybe we can persuade them to release legitimate copies of the early KW albums! Personally, I hate bootlegs, partly because I'm interested in working in the music and film industries. E-mail American Recordings at american@american.recordings.com and they might listen to us. However, I think IZ is only in the USA, but I've never seen the pre-"RA" albums here before, regardless of all of the US people on the list talkin' 'bout their copies. I think it's worth a try. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Pre-"Radioactivity" reissue idea Date: 24 Aug 1996 21:06:20 -0400 (EDT) >think IZ is only in the USA, but I've never seen the pre-"RA" albums here >before, regardless of all of the US people on the list talkin' 'bout >their copies. I think it's worth a try. Peace. Not to be a royal pain in the butt or anything like that, but wouldn't you be talking about Kraftwerk's pre-"Autobahn" albums and not their pre-"RA" albums? 'Autobahn' was officially released in 1974, one year ahead of 'Radio-Activity'. 'KW', 'KW2', and 'R&F' are really the only KW albums that were never "officially" released on CD as of yet. -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Whoops! Date: 24 Aug 1996 21:34:05 EDT >>> Not to be a royal pain in the butt or anything like that, but wouldn't you be talking about Kraftwerk's pre-"Autobahn" albums and not their pre-"RA" albums? 'Autobahn' was officially released in 1974, one year ahead of 'Radio-Activity'. 'KW', 'KW2', and 'R&F' are really the only KW albums that were never "officially" released on CD as of yet. <<< Yeah. For some reason, I thought that "AB" was AFTER "RA." I think, however, we should still try mailing Infinite Zero/American Recordings. Rick Rubin & Henry Rollins (Rollins is Rubin's partner in IZ) would trip--it sounds right up their alley. IZ is the coolest reissue label. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: IZ Reissues Date: 24 Aug 1996 22:11:30 -0400 (EDT) >however, we should still try mailing Infinite Zero/American Recordings. >Rick Rubin & Henry Rollins (Rollins is Rubin's partner in IZ) would >trip--it sounds right up their alley. IZ is the coolest reissue label. But how could our mailing Infinite Zero make that happen? Wouldn't Ralf & Florian have to give their consent first before anyone could just go ahead and reissue their first 3 albums? If that's the case, I don't think they'd ever give the green light for such a thing to occur. It's been my impression that Ralf & Florian have constantly been moving all attention away from their earlier material, and besides, if anyone were going to reissue those 3 albums, it seems to me that Kraftwerk themselves would be the only ones who would do it or allow it to be done. -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Re: Wolfgang Flur's new project Date: 25 Aug 1996 19:23:04 +0200 (MET DST) Really-From: HŒkan Ehrnst Wolfgang Flur's new project Yamo will be out on EMI in Germany in early September. I've managed to get a listen to it and the best tracks are "Guiding Ray" and "Time-Pie". Karl Bartos Elektric Music will have a new album out later this year. Best regards, Hakan Ehrnst # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Copyright ownership Date: 25 Aug 1996 15:26:43 EDT >>> But how could our mailing Infinite Zero make that happen? Wouldn't Ralf & Florian have to give their consent first before anyone could just go ahead and reissue their first 3 albums? If that's the case, I don't think they'd ever give the green light for such a thing to occur. It's been my impression that Ralf & Florian have constantly been moving all attention away from their earlier material, and besides, if anyone were going to reissue those 3 albums, it seems to me that Kraftwerk themselves would be the only ones who would do it or allow it to be done. <<< Are you sure that Ralf & Florian have absolute ownership of the masters of the early albums? In the States the copyrights on the later albums are owned by the record companies. Do you have any idea who originally released the early albums here? For some reason, the copyright laws are different here than in the rest of the world--that's why, for example, English-language books need to be repackaged for release in the US. Besides, Rick Rubin has so much pull in the music industry that he could probably get his hands on anything. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: LFO on 'Information' Date: 26 Aug 1996 00:04:11 +0200 At 09:33 24/08/96 EDT, you wrote: >Found this interesting little snippet in an interview with LFO featured in the >June 96 issue of the US dance culture magazine 'URB': > >"...with Karl Bartos from Kraftwerk it was totally different, but a really good >experience for us and him. They just think of things that are so in-depth excuse me, but I do not understand something. in the phrase before, "us" should be LFO, but who should be "them" (for instance the guys doing things like adding a morse-code snare drum)? Kraftwerk all together? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Elektric Music 1996 Date: 25 Aug 1996 19:11:07 EDT >>> Karl Bartos' Elektric Music will have a new album out later this year. <<< The question is, though, when/if we'll get it here. After all, it took over a year for "Esperanto" to get released here on Atlantic Records. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: Re: Wolfgang Flur's new project Date: 26 Aug 1996 01:01:51 -0500 Very exciting! Could you post the exact catalog number and etc for the new Flur project? I'd like to see if I can order an import or get it from one of the German cd mail order companies. Aldo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Re: Wolfgang Flur's new project Date: 26 Aug 1996 08:27:57 +0200 (MST) Really-From: Thomas Weckert On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: H=8Ckan Ehrnst > > > Wolfgang Flur's new project Yamo will be out on EMI in Germany in early > September. I've managed to get a listen to it and the best tracks are > "Guiding Ray" and "Time-Pie". The Mouse on Mars... > Karl Bartos Elektric Music will have a new album out later this year. He did some recordings with Christoph Franke, but whether this material will ever appear on an Elektric album is uncertain, I guess. On the last Electronic album were also some unreleased Elektric songs... Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: xandreas@newton.ikp.liu.se Subject: Pocket Calculator Date: 26 Aug 1996 09:20:22 +0200 I remember that in '89 there was mailorder shop here in Sweden called Yacobi who sold Kraftwerk pocket calculators. I got the intention that it was just an ordinary p.c. with just the word 'Kraftwerk' written on it, and nothing more with it. They were not very expensive, so I can't imagine they were something special. /Andreas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER STUDENT" Subject: '71 concert posters Date: 26 Aug 1996 11:03:03 The '71 concert posters do not all feature the naked woman pic, but it is indeed no in keeping with any Kraftwerk image. The picture is of a blonde girl sitting on the orange traffic cone, photographed from behind, with Kraftwerk title and venue below. No 'recealing' details, but still more of a 'flower power' idea. as the poster is form a concert agency, it might have been their idea. There are also posters with an illustration of the orange cone with 'Kraftwerk' script like on the LP's and a graphic 'flash' motiv as a background. This poster lists Cluster as support. Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: '71 concert posters Date: 26 Aug 1996 08:15:11 -0400 (EDT) >The '71 concert posters do not all feature the naked woman pic, but Perhaps another of Pascal Bussy's infamous inaccuracies? >'recealing' details, but still more of a 'flower power' idea. as the Hmmm... Since 'Kraftwerk' was released in 1970, only a number of months after the ever-radical "Woodstock" music event took place in upstate New York as one of the most memorable parts of the hippie and flower-power movements, do you think that Kraftwerk associated themselves at that time with those movements? The footage we've seen of Kraftwerk (Florian, Klaus, Andreas) performing "Ruckstoss Gondolero" for the Beat Club live in '71 would certainly appear to support this type of ideology: Flashy silver outfits with big droopy armpits, long hair and sunglasses, jeans and t-shirts, psychedelic and chorus-driven guitar riffs, etc... -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Barcelona Record Store.. Date: 26 Aug 1996 14:00:57 EDT Really-From: Roland Metzger <76113.2741@CompuServe.COM> Re: "From: "Michael Melzer" Is there someone from Spain on the Kraftwerk Mailing list? Well I'm from Switzerland..but still... I am interested in the spanish recordings of Kraftwerk. Does someone have an idea where you can find them? I was in Barcelona in 92 and there was a very cool independent/industrial record store in the old town. Can't remember the name unfortunately..it went something like "Dark", "Industrial", "Black" or something Records. If you walk down the famous Ramblas street towards the sea, it is in the old town to your left hand side in some side street. Hope it still exists. They had some Kraftwerk records and the (extremly unfriendly) guy even sold "The Aktivitaet"-Fanzine! The first time I saw the magazine ever... I suggest you check the Yellow Pages under "Discos", I always do that in foreign cities. Good Luck and tell me about your findings. Cheers Roland (PS:I could have written this in German, but I thought I share this also with the mailing-list..) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: List Move - Final Notice Date: 26 Aug 1996 12:54:39 -0600 (MDT) Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" I've given David Datta the final go-ahead to shut down the versions of these lists that live at cs.uwp.edu. If you have not yet moved over to the versions of the lists at xmission.com, please do so immediately. For detailed instructions on joining the new versions of the lists, visit http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Lists (If you came in late, these lists are moving from cs.uwp.edu to xmission.com because cs.uwp.edu is going to be shut down soon.) -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JMRosen@aol.com Subject: Digest, please Date: 26 Aug 1996 20:40:45 -0400 Please change me over to the digest form of this list, **PLEASE!** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Digest, please Date: 26 Aug 1996 21:32:04 -0600 (MDT) > Please change me over to the digest form of this list, **PLEASE!** Instructions for switching *yourself* over to the digest are in the "info kraftwerk" message mentioned below. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Aktivitaet issue 8 now available Date: 27 Aug 1996 14:46:41 EDT Just a short note to say that issue 8 of the unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine Aktivitaet is now available and subscribers should expect copies to make use of their letterboxes in the near future. Anyone who would like more details about this issue please e-mail me at the above address. Articles from this issue will be made available via the mailing list in about two weeks time. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de Subject: Re: Furniture shop Date: 27 Aug 1996 22:56:29 +0000 > Is "Atelier Fluer" still in business? No. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: 'The ORB' quote Date: 27 Aug 1996 17:24:22 -0400 Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." A quote from the liner notes of The ORB's double CD 'Auntie Aubrey's Excursions Beyond the Call of Duty (The Orb Remix Project): "The strange thing about electronic music is that, for all its modernity, the best stuff sounds like a satellite signal from another age. That's why the kind of futurism you get in a Kraftwerk record is so sad. Also with Orb records you're hearing a lot of things in a new context, perhaps a reggae bassline or a Minnie ripperton sample. All these things will strike a very subtle chord of recollection" - Alex to Time Out, 25th May 1994. Interesting. I find that KW also encorporates 'a lot of things in a new context'. What's the difference if it's a Minnie ripperton sample or a sound of a Volkswagon starting up, or a reggae bassline opposed to a rhythm made up of banging on metal plates? Besides, maybe I don't want to hear a 'subtle chord of recollection' within certain music. I want to experience a new, pure sound without that kind of distraction. I like the Orb alot but I'm sorry, to me Kraftwerk's music (their 'futurism' if you will) is anything but 'sad'. It's some of the happiest, most upbeat music I've ever experienced. Thoughts? Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: 'The ORB' quote Date: 28 Aug 1996 00:48:56 -0700 > best stuff sounds like a satellite signal from another age. That's why the > kind of futurism you get in a Kraftwerk record is so sad. Also with Orb > I like the Orb alot but I'm sorry, to me Kraftwerk's music (their 'futurism' > if you will) is anything but 'sad'. It's some of the happiest, most upbeat > music I've ever experienced. well, maybe they used "sad" to express some atmospheric feeling. when I hear about futurism and sadness I think, for instance, to Metropolis, very descriptive and evocative, but not an "happy" song. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: 'The ORB' quote Date: 27 Aug 1996 20:06:02 -0400 (EDT) >I like the Orb alot but I'm sorry, to me Kraftwerk's music (their 'futurism' >if you will) is anything but 'sad'. It's some of the happiest, most upbeat >music I've ever experienced. Yep, I'm in agreement with you on this one. I've said before that one of my favorite things about Kraftwerk is their ability to work with concepts and ideologies that present dated technologies of yesterday in a refreshing, new context. They've done this for me with trains, radios, telephones, calculators, automobiles, bicycles, computers, and hell, even robots are dated already too! I just find that Kraftwerk have always had the proper vision to present something old and forgotten in a new light that evokes a great deal of interest that goes beyond just sheer nostalgia and recollection. -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Emotional music Date: 28 Aug 1996 00:48:01 EDT >>> I'm sorry, to me Kraftwerk's music (their 'futurism' if you will) is anything but "sad." It's some of the happiest, most upbeat music I've ever experienced. Word? I seem to remember that the British "Q" magazine posed the question that they could be the world's most emotional band. They described "Computer Love" as being "melancholy" and "expressing deep longing." (Do any of you Brits over there have the issue in question? It has Michael Stipe on the cover, and I think it's the July, 1995 issue) I can see where they're coming from, though. For some strange reason, after hearing "Computer World" for the first time in nearly a year, I was close to tears. They've always had phat beats, however. Today I made this phat hip-hop track that sampled the bassline from "The Man-Machine." On top of that I put some Ghanian flutes and the beat (slowed way down) from Afrika Bambaataa's "Renegades of Funk." I'm planning to put some chanting from Burkina Faso on this track as well. I like to make my tracks as avant-garde as possible--I'll sample almost everything! The MCs that put vocals on my tracks will be thrown for a loop, I tell you. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeroen Geerts Subject: Aktivitaet issue 8 now available -Reply Date: 28 Aug 1996 07:47:57 +0100 ** High Priority ** Hello Ian Please send me some info on how to obtain 'Aktivitaet" Thanks in Advance ######################################### At Work: jjg.geerts@wa.dhv.nl Private : jjgeerts@worldaccess.nl Jeroen J. Geerts Zeearend 10 3435 GX Nieuwegein The Netherlands ######################################### # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) Subject: Organisation Date: 28 Aug 1996 00:06:51 -0700 When I was in Ireland, I came across this cd in the kraftwerk section. It had a very colorful cover, and it wasn't on Germanofon. What the hell was this?? Is that the original artwork (I doubt it)?? What's the deal. K.C. P.S. I found all kinds of copies of Autobahn in Europe. I bought it at HMV in London for 15 pounds. They were also selling another copy of it, but it was 26 pounds and was EXACTLY the same as the one I bought. It said "Import" on it, but it was the same. Why?? It is nowhere in LA. I checked everywhere. So I guess it IS in print in Europe, but not in the US. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Organisation Date: 28 Aug 1996 08:01:02 -0400 (EDT) > When I was in Ireland, I came across this cd in the kraftwerk >section. It had a very colorful cover, and it wasn't on Germanofon. >What the hell was this?? Is that the original artwork (I doubt it)?? >What's the deal. The cd was in the Kraftwerk section because Organisation was Ralf & Florian's pre-Kraftwerk band that was formed in 1968 and lasted up until and slightly after the release of their one and only album, 'Tone Float', in 1970, just a number of months before Kraftwerk's debut album was released. I'm not sure about the artwork that you saw on it, but here's Pascal Bussy's description of the original cover: "The front cover featured a pseudo-mythological drawing by the mysteriously named Comus, of the sort that was fairly common place on LP sleeves in the early '70s. In attempting to be enigmatic it bore more than a passing resemblence to the cover of the first King Crimson LP but was much less successful as an image." The actual cover of this album is reproduced in Bussy's book at the top of page 9 (chapter 1). It appears to be just a drawing of a white face in profile (turned to the right) with some kind of markings on its forehead, cheek, and chin, taking up the whole left hand side of the album cover. The face to me seems to be either an odd clown of some sort or a face wearing some kind of tribal make-up. The image seems to have lots of hair flowing around too, and the right hand side of the album cover simply says "Tone Float" in the upper corner. The music on 'Tone Float' is lengthy, moody, evoking ambience and experimentation, and acts as the perfect pre-cursor to albums like 'Kraftwerk' and 'Kraftwerk 2'. -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Emotional music Date: 28 Aug 1996 08:00:59 -0400 (EDT) >Word? I seem to remember that the British "Q" magazine posed the question >that they could be the world's most emotional band. They described >"Computer Love" as being "melancholy" and "expressing deep longing." I wonder in what context that statement was made though. I'd certainly somewhat agree with "Q" magazine's statement regarding "Computer Love", at least in terms of the conceptualism itself. After all, anyone who's so lonely that he/she finds themself turning to the ol' laptop for a date sounds pretty melancholy to me. :O) Typically, Kraftwerk's monotone vocal style seems to intentionally be lacking just about any human emotion whatsoever, but the music in "Computer Love" (at least the 1981 version) does indeed contain a very warm sound to it that helps in conjuring up imagery of "deep longing". -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Irony in "Radio-activity" Date: 28 Aug 1996 14:08:50 +0100 (BST) > I've just completed Bussy's book, and while on first reading I found it > badly-written, pretentious, gushy and not even partocularly informative, > that's not what I want to discuss. Umm, OK then, I needn't argue. :-) > Well, I'm sorry for being unable to see further than the surface, but I > can not detect one iota of irony in the track, nor one single sign that > the track is a 'humourous denunciation of nuclear power'. Can someone > please enlighten me? A 'humourous denunciation of nuclear power' is IMHO going way to far, but surely in the line "Radioactivity / is in the air for you and me" there is a strong sense of irony? At least that's the way it always seemed to me. Depending on the listener, there is a sense of radioactivity being loose in the environment, or not! And I suppose we shouldn't forget this song and the album as a whole was as much about "radio activity" as "radioactivity". > For what it's worth, I hope Bussy is wrong, as I would hate to imagine > Kraftwerk as faddish. The nuclear decay process is a beautiful one > (captured perfectly in 'Uranium') and far better suited to Kraftwerk's Hmm, again there could be seen a hint of menace, or ambiguity, in that track, but no doubt it all depends on one's own perspective or bias. > abilities than an ill-informed populist movement. It's for this reason > that the 1991 version of Radioactivity annoys me. In a way the 1991 version is lyrically rather crass, but personally I'm glad Kraftwerk were concerned enough to get involved with what I see as a very worrying issue. Regards Kevin PS The new Kraftwerk FAQ: I'm sorry to say that it looks as though I'm going to miss my self-imposed deadline for the end of the month. It takes a lot of time to update the FAQ, and unfortunately other demands have had to take precedence. The FAQ will definitely be available by the end of September, hopefully well before then. Sorry about this, but I don't think there's much point in releasing the new version till it's just right. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: 'Dancing in the street' video Date: 28 Aug 1996 09:41:52 EDT The 'Planet Rock' edition of the 'Dancing In The Street' series that has been discussed on the list lately is available to buy on commercially released video in the UK. On the BBC label, the cat. no. is BBCV5899. It contains the Kraftwerk clip of them performing 'Autobahn' as per the show aired a few weeks back. Retails, at Virgin Megastores anyway, at 12.99 UK Pounds. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de Subject: Comus Date: 28 Aug 1996 17:38:56 +0000 > The cd was in the Kraftwerk section because Organisation was Ralf & > Florian's pre-Kraftwerk band.. > I'm not sure about the artwork that you saw on it, but here's Pascal Bussy's > description of the original cover: > "The front cover featured a pseudo-mythological drawing by the > mysteriously named Comus. It is rumoured that this Comus is in fact Wolfgang Fluer. Is anyone able to confirm or to deny this? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Freeman, Lon C." Subject: 'The Orb' quote Date: 28 Aug 1996 10:13:39 -0400 A quote from the liner notes of The ORB's double CD 'Auntie Aubrey's Excursions Beyond the Call of Duty (The Orb Remix Project): "The strange thing about electronic music is that, for all its modernity, the best stuff sounds like a satellite signal from another age. That's why the kind of futurism you get in a Kraftwerk record is so sad. Also with Orb records you're hearing a lot of things in a new context, perhaps a reggae bassline or a Minnie ripperton sample. All these things will strike a very subtle chord of recollection" - Alex to Time Out, 25th May 1994. Interesting. I find that KW also encorporates 'a lot of things in a new context'. What's the difference if it's a Minnie ripperton sample or a sound of a Volkswagon starting up, or a reggae bassline opposed to a rhythm made up of banging on metal plates? Besides, maybe I don't want to hear a 'subtle chord of recollection' within certain music. I want to experience a new, pure sound without that kind of distraction. I like the Orb alot but I'm sorry, to me Kraftwerk's music (their 'futurism' if you will) is anything but 'sad'. It's an individual style that's done on purpose without a particular need to be familiar. Also, the Orb certainly uses it's share of blips and bleeps in their music to create a feel or texture in the sound. I don't hear any apologies from them about it though. Thoughts? Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: Comus Date: 28 Aug 1996 16:59:35 +0100 (BST) > > "The front cover featured a pseudo-mythological drawing by the > > mysteriously named Comus. > > It is rumoured that this Comus is in fact Wolfgang Fluer. Is anyone > able to confirm or to deny this? I presume this is _not_ anything to do with the _band_ 'Comus', who were on Virgin Records?! Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Color format Date: 28 Aug 1996 12:02:52 EDT >>> The 'Planet Rock' edition of the 'Dancing In The Street' series that has been discussed on the list lately is available to buy on commercially released video in the UK. On the BBC label, the cat. no. is BBCV5899. It contains the Kraftwerk clip of them performing 'Autobahn' as per the show aired a few weeks back. Retails, at Virgin Megastores anyway, at 12.99 UK Pounds. <<< OK, but is it available in the NTSC color format? You guys in the UK use PAL, which is incompatible over here. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Color format Date: 28 Aug 1996 10:06:38 -0600 (MDT) >> The 'Planet Rock' edition of the 'Dancing In The Street' series that >> has been discussed on the list lately is available to buy on >> commercially released video in the UK. > > OK, but is it available in the NTSC color format? You guys in the UK use > PAL, which is incompatible over here. As far as I know, "The History Of Rock & Roll" (same series, US title) isn't out on video in the US yet. There are a couple of other similarly- titled documentaries out but not this one. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: 'Dancing in the street' video Date: 28 Aug 1996 21:30:55 +0200 Ian Calder wrote: > > The 'Planet Rock' edition of the 'Dancing In The Street' series that > has been discussed on the list lately is available to buy on > commercially released video in the UK. On the BBC label, the > cat. no. is BBCV5899. It contains the Kraftwerk clip of them > performing 'Autobahn' as per the show aired a few weeks back. > Retails, at Virgin Megastores anyway, at 12.99 UK Pounds. I can provide copies of this, since it aired here in Portugal some two months ago and I recorded it from TV (PAL). Anyone interested in trading for similar material? Best! -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) Subject: Re: Organisation Date: 28 Aug 1996 14:22:11 -0700 > > The cd was in the Kraftwerk section because Organisation was Ralf & >Florian's pre-Kraftwerk band that was formed in 1968 and lasted up until and >slightly after the release of their one and only album, 'Tone Float', in >1970, just a number of months before Kraftwerk's debut album was released. >I'm not sure about the artwork that you saw on it, but here's Pascal Bussy's >description of the original cover: > > "The front cover featured a pseudo-mythological drawing by the >mysteriously named Comus, of the sort that was fairly common place on LP >sleeves in the early '70s. In attempting to be enigmatic it bore more than >a passing resemblence to the cover of the first King Crimson LP but was much >less successful as an image." > > The actual cover of this album is reproduced in Bussy's book at the >top of page 9 (chapter 1). It appears to be just a drawing of a white face >in profile (turned to the right) with some kind of markings on its forehead, >cheek, and chin, taking up the whole left hand side of the album cover. The >face to me seems to be either an odd clown of some sort or a face wearing >some kind of tribal make-up. The image seems to have lots of hair flowing >around too, and the right hand side of the album cover simply says "Tone >Float" in the upper corner. > The music on 'Tone Float' is lengthy, moody, evoking ambience and >experimentation, and acts as the perfect pre-cursor to albums like >'Kraftwerk' and 'Kraftwerk 2'. > I think you mis-understood me, because I was just wondering about the cover. I actually have Tone Float on cassette tape. I'm not that oblivious to Kraftwerk history. I know all about Organisation and Ralf and Florian and all that. I just had never seen the COVER. It looked way too colorful and modern to be made in the early 70's. It also said "Kraftwerk" on the cover, as well as "Organisation" so I know this isn't the original cover. Has anybody else seen this. Oh and by the way, this album is in it's entirety at the Kraftwerk Infobahr. Not that you are supposed to listen to it or anything. K.C. P.S. thanks for the explanation anyway # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de Subject: Re: Comus Date: 28 Aug 1996 23:44:53 +0000 > > > "The front cover featured a pseudo-mythological drawing by the > > > mysteriously named Comus. > > > > It is rumoured that this Comus is in fact Wolfgang Fluer. Is anyone > > able to confirm or to deny this? > > I presume this is _not_ anything to do with the _band_ 'Comus', who were on > Virgin Records?! No, there's just a (IMHO not very credible) rumour that the cover for the Organisation LP was painted by Wolfgang Fluer, that's all. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Organisation Date: 28 Aug 1996 18:19:10 -0400 (EDT) > I think you mis-understood me, because I was just wondering about >the cover. I actually have Tone Float on cassette tape. Oops. I apologize for mis-understanding what you meant. >P.S. thanks for the explanation anyway No problem. Hopefully some of the newer list members and newer Kraftwerk fans on the list were able to benefit from my little explanation so it wasn't totally a waste of space. Hee Hee... :O) -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: 'Dancing in the street' - more details... Date: 29 Aug 1996 11:56:54 EDT Having now checked the copy of this video that I bought, there are indeed some differences between the broadcast version and the video release. I'm happy to say though that the Kraftwerk clip survives intact as well as the quotes from the likes of Afrika Bambaataa, Grandmaster Flash and Peter Hook. In fact, as well as Peter Hook there is also an extra interview snippet with Bernard Sumner of New Order speaking of the influence KW had on Joy Division and even extra footage of Joy Division, performing 'She's Lost Control' on the BBC2 'Something Else' programme. From what I can tell it seems to be little snippets of MTV footage and a Madonna video ('Vogue') that have been cut from the broadcast version. Of note; the clip of KW performing 'Autobahn' is sadly not as long as the one aired previously on 'Sounds Of the Eighties' - as well as being cut into two portions it ends a little too early, depriving us of Florian's somewhat memorable smile to the camera. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: re; Barcelona record store Date: 29 Aug 1996 12:05:57 EDT > Really-From: Roland Metzger <76113.2741@CompuServe.COM> > > I was in Barcelona in 92 and there was a very cool independent/industrial record > store in the old town. Can't remember the name unfortunately..it went something > like "Dark", "Industrial", "Black" or something Records. If you walk down the > famous Ramblas street towards the sea, it is in the old town to your left hand > side in some side street. Hope it still exists. They had some Kraftwerk records > and the (extremly unfriendly) guy even sold "The Aktivitaet"-Fanzine! The first > time I saw the magazine ever... I suggest you check the Yellow Pages under > "Discos", I always do that in foreign cities. That'll be 'Dark Zone'. It has been a few years since I last heard from them, but yes they did stock earlier copies of Aktivitaet. The address I had for the shop is; Riera Baja No.1 08001 Barcelona But this is from a couple of years back, so not necessarily the current address. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: 'Dancing in the street' - more details... Date: 29 Aug 1996 13:50:42 -0400 (EDT) >Of note; the clip of KW performing 'Autobahn' is sadly not as long >as the one aired previously on 'Sounds Of the Eighties' - as well >as being cut into two portions it ends a little too early, depriving us >of Florian's somewhat memorable smile to the camera. At least those of us with copies of Kraftwerk's music video for "Trans-Europe Express" can always enjoy a brief moment of Florian smiling outright. Also, there's that great outdoor photo of Ralf,Florian, and Paul Alessandrini standing under the "Metro" sign in Pascal Bussy's book in which Florian actually looks downright giddy compared to Ralf. :o) -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: KW1 and KW2 boots. Date: 29 Aug 1996 18:02:31 +0000 I checked in Virgin today, and it turns out that the boots were indeed the Germanofon versions. Ah well....... -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** A1200 28Mhz 020 545MB HD 6MB RAM ******| |***** Analogue Synth freak | JarreVangelisKraftwerkTangerineDream*| |***** ==================== | CarlosNumanErasureTomita *****| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: re; Pocket Calculators Date: 29 Aug 1996 15:03:05 EDT Further to the discussion from earlier... I've been told by Gunther Poecker that there were also KW pocket calculators on sale at the band's German tour dates in 1981, but they came in a plastic box with 'KRAFTWERK TASCHENRECHNER' on it and also with the 'music' notation. Perhaps the same examples as those for sale at a later date? So, not quite the same lavish package as given out as a promo item for 'Computer World'. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: 'Dancing in the street' - more details... Date: 29 Aug 1996 20:33:54 +0200 Ian Calder wrote: > (...) In fact, as well as Peter Hook there is also an extra interview > snippet with Bernard Sumner of New Order speaking of the influence KW > had on Joy Division and even extra footage of Joy Division, performing > 'She's Lost Control' on the BBC2 'Something Else' programme. From what > I can tell it seems to be little snippets of MTV footage and a Madonna > video ('Vogue') that have been cut from the broadcast version. Interestingly, the broadcast version I saw (and recorded) here contains all the aforementioned cut snippets, although I don't know much of New Order to pinpoint that video. > Of note; the clip of KW performing 'Autobahn' is sadly not as long > as the one aired previously on 'Sounds Of the Eighties' - as well > as being cut into two portions it ends a little too early, depriving > us of Florian's somewhat memorable smile to the camera. Same here :-( -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: a K imprecision... (from M. Melzer) Date: 30 Aug 1996 12:56:29 +0200 fellow listie Michael Melzer paid a visit here in Roma on his way to a month holiday in Barcellona. =20 we went shopping together, but found nothing that has not yet cited on this list. for instance a really cheap copy of Tanzmusic boot. then we went to see a friend of mine, Luca Morandi, one of the most serious italian Kraftwerk collectionist (mail me if you want his sale list, ok if I post it here?). Michael found there the spanish version of Electric caf=E8 and a couple of 12". while chatting with him, anyway, he pointed out that Kraftwerk, always so precise, made a little mistake in one of their texts, and this is what the mex is about. In Radioactivity (original version) they say something like "energy produced by nuclear fusion". now, say Michael, while is true that you can have energy from fusion (usually two nuclei of Hydrogen becoming one of Helium), it's also true that all the energy we can really use, util now, come from fission (one nucleus of Uranium or what else becoming two nuclei of other elements). anyway, goodbye from him for a while... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) Subject: Werke Bootleg CD Date: 30 Aug 1996 08:34:55 -0400 I saw a listing for a Kraftwerk bootleg CD entitled "Werke" which is supposed to contain rare 12" remixes. Anyone know what track listing is or the sound quality of this CD? -John Talbert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: a K imprecision... (from M. Melzer) Date: 30 Aug 1996 11:18:37 -0600 (MDT) > then we went to see a friend of mine, Luca Morandi, one of the most serious > italian Kraftwerk collectionist (mail me if you want his sale list, ok if I > post it here?). Please don't post for-sale lists here. (It's okay to post *pointers* to for-sale lists, though.) -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Henning Colsman-Freyberger Subject: Kraftwerk music used in German TV Date: 31 Aug 1996 06:33:16 -0400 Greetings! Last night just after midnight Kraftwerk music was used in a trailer on the German TV-station ZDF. The show that was being advertized was "ML Mona Lisa" which will be talking about (among other things) the CeBit home trade show, a computer and electronics fair aimed at the home market that is in Hanover right now. The show airs Monday at 19:25. So you have the chance to catch the trailer until then with its about 15-second snippet of "It's more fun to compute." Henning Colsman-Freyberger # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: "Alles Prima! NDW" Date: 31 Aug 1996 14:19:15 +0000 The German 2-CD compilation "Alles Prima! NDW" (Polyphon 515 284-2) contains one of the three remixes of the Rheingold track "Dreiklangsdimensionen", which were supposedly done by Karl Bartos and Lothar Manteuffel (according to Aktivitaet 3, page 10). The track on "Alles Prima! NDW" is the 3:47" single edit. BTW: Karl Bartos and Lothar Manteuffel are not credited on the original "Dreiklangsdimensionen" remix CD single. Is anyone able to cofirm that they were actually involved? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: Kraftwerk music used in German TV Date: 31 Aug 1996 14:34:31 +0000 > Last night just after midnight Kraftwerk music was used in a trailer on the > German TV-station ZDF. The show that was being advertized was > "ML Mona Lisa". > The show airs Monday at 19:25. AFAIK it airs Sunday at 18:15 CET and will be repeated on Monday at 09:03 CET. The original broadcast will be on ZDF only, the repetition on Monday will be on both ARD and ZDF. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Nellemann Subject: All in a day's werk Date: 31 Aug 1996 17:07:46 +0200 (MET DST) I've got All in a day's werk - I don't know have rare it is - I've only seen my own copy ever, bought it through this mailing list from a guy called Bombuzal - he sells rarities now and then on this mailing list. Various Artists: All In A Day's Werk (For single ep of covers [1991] Emil, Karl, Wolfgang, Ralf & Florian) CD: 1991 UK (Deutsch Englische Freundshaft Records 081 960 0624) Pro-Gress: Autobahn Eskimos & Egypts: S.O.S. Gobo-Loco: Neon-Eon (aka The Shamen) Timecode: Timecode Westbam: Back to Future -- ******************************************************************** * Lars Nellemann * I'm confused - Like a thirsty * * nelleman@biobase.dk * baby in a topless bar ! * * Royal Veterinary & Agricultural * * * University * * ******************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Nellemann Subject: Tour de Trance remix boot Date: 31 Aug 1996 17:11:20 +0200 (MET DST) I picked up another KW remix boot today Kraftwerk: Tour de Trance CD (TRMM 001) 9:11 The Robots (Ultimix featuring MC Crown 122 BPM) Basicly "Robots" with some Rapper thrown in and remixed a bit. 6:34 Tour de Breaks (DMC 129 BPM) The TdF rythm track is used as base for a new song, with for me unknown singer. 9:58 Call me on the Telephone (DMC) Megamix based on "Der Telefon Anruf" mixed with Nitzer Ebb, Yello Yazoo and many others. 10:01 Powerwork megamix (DMC) Kraftwerk Megamix - no other artist mixed in here. 6:16 Body Sex Remix (Techno Tango) (Special sex remix) This is basically a new track by some lame pop group with a few KW samples thrown in - I've never heard it before, not good. 17:33 German kraft remix (German megamix) [Megamix w/Telephone Call/The Model/Das Model/Nummern /Computer Love/Tour de France] 5:44 The Model (Tour de Trance remix) (Musicfactory) The model with Additional Piano and drums. 5:45 Robocop II by Wolfgang Flur, Soundtrack remix '94 DMC This is a new one for me - I never new that Flur made this piece of music - rather Kraftwerk'ish. 8:14 Techno Crash feat Human Leag(u)e This is not a Kraftwerk track, can't say if it's a human League track though, Uses Boing-Boom-tchack samples. 0:33 Moderne Kompositionen by Bernard Kirch u Frank Weigel Well, a very short "Kompositionen" made with a few KW samples. Total Time 77:29 The soundquality is good. -- ******************************************************************** * Lars Nellemann * I'm confused - Like a thirsty * * nelleman@biobase.dk * baby in a topless bar ! * * Royal Veterinary & Agricultural * * * University * * ******************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: Tour de Trance remix boot Date: 31 Aug 1996 20:44:52 +0000 > Kraftwerk: Tour de Trance CD (TRMM 001) > > 8:14 Techno Crash feat Human Leag(u)e > This is not a Kraftwerk track, can't say if it's a human League track > though, Yes, it is "Being Boiled" by The Human League. > 5:45 Robocop II by Wolfgang Flur, Soundtrack remix '94 DMC > This is a new one for me - I never new that Flur made this piece > of music He didn't. The credits are a bootleggers hoax. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Props (#3), Eurodance, and flip sides Date: 31 Aug 1996 16:44:47 EDT >>> The Robots (Ultimix featuring MC Crown 122 BPM) Basicly "Robots" with some Rapper thrown in and remixed a bit. <<< I HATE this Eurodance shit. Now, if they used a real MC instead of a rapper, and some phat beats, this would pique my curiosity. >>> Last night just after midnight Kraftwerk music was used in a trailer on the German TV-station ZDF. The show that was being advertized was "ML Mona Lisa" which will be talking about (among other things) the CeBit home trade show, a computer and electronics fair aimed at the home market that is in Hanover right now. The show airs Monday at 19:25. So you have the chance to catch the trailer until then with its about 15-second snippet of "It's more fun to compute." <<< Were they given their props for the use of the song???? BTW, does anyone know if there are any unreleased flip-sides of any KW songs?--you know, songs that were on the back of singles but were never released on the albums. Now, I'm not talkin' 'bout French- and Spanish-language versions of the classics, but real songs that many of us have never heard before. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Henning Colsman-Freyberger Subject: Re: Props (#3), Eurodance, and flip sides Date: 31 Aug 1996 18:37:25 -0400 Klaus wrote: >> Last night just after midnight Kraftwerk music was used in a trailer on the >> German TV-station ZDF. The show that was being advertized was "ML Mona Lisa". >> The show airs Monday at 19:25. > >AFAIK it airs Sunday at 18:15 CET and will be repeated on Monday at >09:03 CET. >The original broadcast will be on ZDF only, the repetition on Monday >will be on both ARD and ZDF. Shows you how fascinated I was by hearing Kraftwerk... didn't even remember the right day and time. Adam wrote: >Were they given their props for the use of the song???? It was background music used in the 15-second trailer, I doubt that Kraftwerk will be used in the show itself, but who knows? No credit in the trailer, although I have never seen props given in a 15-second TV ad. Henning # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message.