From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: About time... Date: 01 Sep 1996 17:51:20 EDT Recently, there was a thread on the list along the lines of 'what theme/subject should a new Kraftwerk record have'. Well, in lighthearted mode, I think they should make a record on the subject of Time. Because, when the promo interviews start, you can just see the question now... Interviewer; 'Your new album, what is it all about?' Ralf Huetter; 'It is about time.' YOU'RE TELLING ME IT'S ABOUT BL@@*Y TIME !!! :-) Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Hey Scott Date: 01 Sep 1996 21:22:15 -0400 Seeing that I see no KW in the near future, what Rise Robot Rise would you recommend I purchase and can you give me more info on the sound/equipment they use etc. Which album are you credited on and as what? Thanks a lot. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) Subject: Re: About time... Date: 02 Sep 1996 00:01:33 -0700 >YOU'RE TELLING ME IT'S ABOUT BL@@*Y TIME !!! Totally out of subject, but is bloody considered a foul word in Europe? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Florian's smile Date: 02 Sep 1996 10:27:38 +0100 (BST) > At least those of us with copies of Kraftwerk's music video for > "Trans-Europe Express" can always enjoy a brief moment of Florian smiling > outright. Also, there's that great outdoor photo of Ralf,Florian, and Paul > Alessandrini standing under the "Metro" sign in Pascal Bussy's book in which > Florian actually looks downright giddy compared to Ralf. :o) I was just thinking of this and Florian's unnerving smile on the 'Autobahn' clip... and then suddenly 'Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey' popped into my mind; remember the wacky smile Death gives while playing double bass? What a double act that would make... Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: OMD's 'Universal' Date: 02 Sep 1996 09:10:59 EDT I believe OMD's new album, 'Universal', is released in the UK today (Monday 2nd September). If anyone on the list buys it, could you give your opinion? I know there's at least one track co-written by Karl Bartos, but does he actually appear on it? More to the point - is it any good? STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: OMD's 'Universal' Date: 02 Sep 1996 17:13:59 +0000 > I believe OMD's new album, 'Universal', is released in the UK today (Monday 2nd > September). Yes, it has also appeared in Germany today. The catalogue number is Virgin 7243 8 41978 2 7 (CDV 2807). > I know there's at least one track co-written by Karl Bartos, Yes, one track, "The Moon and the Sun". > but does he actually appear on it? No, he's only credited for song-writing, he doesn't appear on the CD as a musician. > More to the point - is it any good? IMHO it's a very conventional pop track, similar to the style of the latest Electronic album. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: OMD's "Walking on the milky way" Date: 02 Sep 1996 17:18:52 +0000 A new OMD CD-single is also out, "Walking on the milky way" (VSCDT1559 7243 8 93717 2 7). The title track is taken from the "Universal" album, the other two tracks are not present on the album. The second track, "Mathew Street", is co-written by Karl Bartos. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: "All in a day's werk" & "Tour de Trance" for sale Date: 02 Sep 1996 17:20:41 +0000 > Various Artists: All In A Day's Werk single ep of covers [1991] > CD: 1991 UK (Deutsch Englische Freundshaft Records 081 960 0624) > > Kraftwerk: Tour de Trance CD (TRMM 001) If somebody is interested: I've a spare copy of both the "All in A Day's Werk" 12" EP and the "Tour de Trance" CD. > 9:11 The Robots (Ultimix featuring MC Crown 122 BPM) I've also a spare copy of the original (official) CD-single release of this remix (1. Robots (Radio Edit), 2. Robots (Club Mix), 3. r2d2, 4. Transistor Beats; FFR-0532). Bids are welcome. :-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Yamo Remix Date: 02 Sep 1996 17:21:39 +0000 I noticed the following in Frontpage 9/1996, p. 93: "Kraftwerks Wolfgang Flur bringt ueber die EMI eine neue Platte heraus. Remix kommt von Joerg Burger aka Bionaut." Wolfgang Fluer's forthcoming release will be remixed by Joerg Burger aka Bionaut. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Original vinyl 'Tonefloat' Date: 02 Sep 1996 19:53:04 EDT Esprit Mail Order (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/esprit/) have an original vinyl copy of Organisation's 'Tonefloat' album for sale on their latest update. The price? ...a mere 150.00 Sterling. Just thought somebody out there might be rich enough, or obsessed enough, or possibly both... Personally, I think I'll make do with the bootleg. ;-) STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Rise Robots Rise Date: 02 Sep 1996 20:27:32 -0400 (EDT) >Seeing that I see no KW in the near future, what Rise Robot Rise would you >recommend I purchase and can you give me more info on the sound/equipment >they use etc. Which album are you credited on and as what? Thanks a lot. Well, let me just point out that for me personally, Rise Robots Rise are in no way a substitute for Kraftwerk. I love RRR's music with a passion, but I draw a clear distinction between my passion for KW and my love of RRR. In fact, despite my immense loyalty towards RRR, the members of the band are all well aware of my Kraftwerk fetish (for lack of a better description). The 2 bands are virtually nothing alike, musically speaking. Rise Robots Rise is for the most part an eclectic and progressive blend of funk, rock, and soul. They make clever use of lots of electronic aspects like sampling, sequences, drum loops, and the like. While their conceptualism does revolve around robots and their relationship with mankind (a la Kraftwerk), their music can better be described as a sort of "cyber-tribal" convergence - a hybrid blend of primitive and future musical technologies. The band has been around since late 1991 and has 2 full length CDs and 4 singles out on TVT Records. I became president of their fan club and maintainer of their on-line mailing list/webpage/FAQ in February of 1994, following the 11/93 release of their second LP, 'Spawn'. So, I'm not credited personally on their 2 TVT releases, but they're in the process of working on their new upcoming album now. Thanks for the inquiry, and if anyone would like further info about anything having to do with RRR, contact us personally at my email address so as to not take up space on this list. Thanks again. -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: 'The ORB' quote Date: 03 Sep 1996 14:21:49 -0400 Well, eveyone's entitled their opinion--even if it's probably wrong. Who's Orb, anyway? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: The Orb Date: 03 Sep 1996 22:14:51 EDT >>> Who's Orb, anyway? <<< THE Orb is a weird pseudo-ambient duo led by "Dr." Alex Peterson. They are from the UK. They incorporate bizarre textures and samples, with house beats in their earlier albums. They're later albums have less beats and more melodies, but it's still plenty weird. My favorite album of there is "Pomme Fritz," and it's on Island Red Label/PolyGram in the US. The last album they released here is "Orbvs Terrarivm" (sp?) on Island/PolyGram, the longest CD i've ever seen: 79:40. If you're lucky, you may be able to find the limited double CD version of "U.F.Orb" (US) that contains the 40 minute version of the song "Blue Room," but you have to be really lucky. That version was released on Big Life/Mercury/PolyGram; it was re-released by Island Red Label/PolyGram without the bonus disc a few years later when The Orb switched to Island/PolyGram and took its catalog with them in the label shift. I wonder what it'd sound like if they remixed KW, personally. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sdk4828@aol.com Subject: Re: Original vinyl 'Tonefloat' Date: 04 Sep 1996 16:14:12 -0400 In regard, does anyone know a if this is an outrageous price or actually somewhat common for this particuliar album? I've looked everwhere for this album and have had no luck in doing so, also how rare is it, and where might I obtain a copy at a better price, if there is a better price, let alone a copy...due to the fact that I'm actually considering making this purchase. Any info would be greatly appreiciated. Also, I'm new to this list and look forward to hearing from all of you about one of the ultimate statements in music the world has ever known-Kraftwerk Thanks, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sgt.norman.hopper@WRSMTP-CCMAIL.ARMY.MIL Date: 05 Sep 1996 15:46:12 EST MY NAME IS NORMAN, I AM NEW TO THE LIST. I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING KRAFTWERK FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS NOW AND AM CONSTANTLY SEEKING NEW INFORMATION ON THEIR WORK (PAST AND PRESENT). I AM PLEASED TO BE A PART OF THE LIST, AND LOOK FORWARD TO SPEAKING WITH ALL OF YOU. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: Date: 05 Sep 1996 21:25:59 +0200 > MY NAME IS NORMAN, I AM NEW TO THE LIST. I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING > KRAFTWERK FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS NOW AND AM CONSTANTLY SEEKING NEW > INFORMATION ON THEIR WORK (PAST AND PRESENT). I AM PLEASED TO BE > A PART OF THE LIST, AND LOOK FORWARD TO SPEAKING WITH ALL OF YOU. Hello Norman, If you want to speak please do, don't shout! -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Re: Date: 06 Sep 1996 00:05:20 EDT > MY NAME IS NORMAN, I AM NEW TO THE LIST. I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING > KRAFTWERK FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS NOW AND AM CONSTANTLY SEEKING NEW > INFORMATION ON THEIR WORK (PAST AND PRESENT). I AM PLEASED TO BE > A PART OF THE LIST, AND LOOK FORWARD TO SPEAKING WITH ALL OF YOU. > Can't keep you out of the army, eh? Need to order us non-soldiers about, eh? Just kidding. Are there a lot of people in the US army who like Kraftwerk? Glad to see that not all US soldiers are squares. KW is not something you exactly associate with the armed forces, knowhutimsayin'? OK, this must be the 3rd time I've asked this, but no one seems to know or answer: what label were the pre-"Autobahn" albums released on? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lotsisk@dcs.gla.ac.uk (Konstantinos Lotsis) Subject: Re: KW and Army Date: 06 Sep 1996 10:07:51 +0100 >Can't keep you out of the army, eh? Need to order us non-soldiers about, >eh? Just kidding. Are there a lot of people in the US army who like >Kraftwerk? Glad to see that not all US soldiers are squares. KW is not >something you exactly associate with the armed forces, knowhutimsayin'? > Actually when I was serving as a sergeant in the greek special forces,(equivalent to green beret and SAS), I met a captain that he was a KW fanatic like I was. Unfortunately we were the only ones in the camp that we liked such kind of music, since KW are not popular in Greece. Also during my time in the army, I have managed to influence couple others into KW music (yes!!), since I was playing KW music when I was in my office. I believe that the disciplined look of KW reminds to me soldiers on a camp leave. Regards, Kostas P.S. Girls do not like KW music. The only song they can listen to is "The Model". ************************************************ Konstantinos Lotsis MSc in IT Department of Computing Science University of Glasgow - UK e-mail: lotsisk@dcs.gla.ac.uk ************************************************ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeroen Geerts Subject: KW and Army and GIRLS Date: 06 Sep 1996 10:30:02 +0100 ** High Priority ** Kostas wrote: >> P.S. Girls do not like KW music. The only song >> they can listen to is "The >> Model". Au contraire, my friend My girlfriend loves KW Especially the computerword and man machine albums. One of her favourites is "Computer Love" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ At Work : jjg.geerts@wa.dhv.nl Private : jjgeerts@worldaccess.nl ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: KW and Army and GIRLS Date: 06 Sep 1996 11:56:17 +0200 On Sep 6, 10:30am, Jeroen Geerts wrote: > Subject: KW and Army and GIRLS > Kostas wrote: > >> P.S. Girls do not like KW music. The only song >> > they can listen to is "The > >> Model". > > Au contraire, my friend And what about girls who serve in the army? They have very small probabilty to like KW.. :-) Of course there are exceptions, but in general the girls who like this kind of music are rare. About army, i think 'Numbers' could be a very funny march for the United Nation soldiers :))) T:M -- :: Timour JGENTI Institut Francais du Petrole ::::.. :: timour.jgenti@ifp.fr DIMA, groupe Image ::::::::.. :: http://www.utbm.fr/les.personnes/lu.chen/timourpages/tim.html ::::.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Luca Dassi Subject: Re: KW and Army and GIRLS Date: 06 Sep 1996 12:38:00 -0700 Timour JGENTI wrote: > About army, i think 'Numbers' could be a very funny march for the > United Nation soldiers :))) > > T:M > How come I never thought of it before? Great idea! *Luca* [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ [ Korrekt! (Das Model) ] ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: pre-'Autobahn' albums Date: 06 Sep 1996 06:49:06 EDT > OK, this must be the 3rd time I've asked this, but no one seems to know > or answer: what label were the pre-"Autobahn" albums released on? Germany: Kraftwerk Philips 6305 058 (1970) Kraftwerk 2 Philips 6305 117 (1972) Ralf und Florian Philips 9305 197 (1973) UK: Kraftwerk (double comprising 'KW' and 'KW2') Vertigo 6641 077 (1972) Ralf and Florian Vertigo 6360 616 (1973) US: Ralf & Florian Vertigo VEL-2006 (1975) (first 2 albums not released here) The recent Germanofon bootleg CDs: Kraftwerk Germanofon 941001 (1974) Kraftwerk 2 Germanofon 941002 (1974) Ralf & Florian Germanofon 941023 (1974) Other countries: Generally - Philips, Vertigo, or other Phonogram imprints. STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Livia Subject: RE: KW and Army and GIRLS Date: 06 Sep 1996 03:53:46 -0700 Kostas wrote: > P.S. Girls do not like KW music. The only song > they can listen to is "The Model". well, i'm female and i like it enough that i sought out kw web sites and joined this list. and am nagging a (male) friend to tape some more albums for me (i have radioactivity and autobahn), since i don't have much spare cash right now i'm particularly fond of radioland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: pre-'Autobahn' albums Date: 06 Sep 1996 06:53:18 EDT Oh sh*t! The Germanofon releases appeared in 1994, not 1974! Sorry. STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: RE: KW and Army and GIRLS Date: 06 Sep 1996 07:37:58 -0400 (EDT) >well, i'm female and i like it enough that i sought out kw web >sites and joined this list. and am nagging a (male) friend to >tape some more albums for me (i have radioactivity and >autobahn), since i don't have much spare cash right now > >i'm particularly fond of radioland See, there ya go. :o) "Radioland" was always my favorite too from that album for quite a while. I cannot deny that there certainly are females out there who are into Kraftwerk's music, but from my experience, they've all been introduced to Kraftwerk by males, usually their boyfriends, husbands, male friends, etc. I myself had introduced my girlfriend and my female band partner (and other female friends) to KW and got them hooked on the band. But aren't there any girls/women that have discovered Kraftwerk on their own? -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Livia Subject: RE: KW and Army and GIRLS Date: 06 Sep 1996 05:09:20 -0700 Scott M. Barnhill wrote > See, there ya go. :o) "Radioland" was always my favorite too from >that album for quite a while. I cannot deny that there certainly are >females out there who are into Kraftwerk's music, but from my experience, >they've all been introduced to Kraftwerk by males, usually their boyfriends, >husbands, male friends, etc. I myself had introduced my girlfriend and my >female band partner (and other female friends) to KW and got them hooked on >the band. But aren't there any girls/women that have discovered Kraftwerk >on their own? well, me and i met the friend who is supposed to be doing the taping for me at least a year after i bought my first kraftwerk album. (he just has more money than i do) so there # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Luca Dassi Subject: Not what you'd call an interview Date: 06 Sep 1996 14:30:42 -0700 Hello everybody! My name is Luca, I'm 32 and I'm a new subscriber to the list. I would like to share the highlights of a conversation I had with R & F after their concert in Genova (Italy) during the "MIX" tour (actually, before the album release). The concert took place in an ex-movie theater converted into a discotheque and after the end of the concert, when most people had already left the place, I was hanging around at the bar while I saw Ralf coming in and asking for a Whisky and Cola. I introduced myself and spoke briefly with him. He was very kind and charming, though extremely self-controlled. I told him I didn't like very much E.C. (their last album at the moment) and he answered "It's a revolutionary album. You should not listen to it as a sequel to C.W. - It's a breakthrough in our music: just think of "boing boom tschak" being entirely synthetic." He also told me that they were working on a new album called "Life". I said K were absolutely the all-time best musical artists in the world ("I like them too.." said Ralf) and tried to investigate on his interests, asking who were his favourite artists or actors or composers and I got the following answer: "There's no need for idols in these times, no more gods, no more heroes, only people. C-O-E-X-I-S-T-E-N-C-E" (pronounced extremely slowly) Just when he was autographing my business card, Florian appeared and with a large smile he retracted his right hand into his sleeve and waved his handless arm in front of me saying "Sorry, I can't sign anything anymore". Then he grabbed a beer and they both politely disappeared into the backstage. Hope all this could be of some interest, Luca P.S. I'll scan and make available Ralf's autograph (sooner or later) [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ [ Korrekt! (Das Model) ] ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Troy Morehouse Subject: Re: KW and Army Date: 06 Sep 1996 10:03:22 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Konstantinos Lotsis wrote: > I believe that the disciplined look of KW reminds to me soldiers on a camp > leave. I can believe that... Especially the photos on the Computer World album sleeves (even though it isn't really them). > P.S. Girls do not like KW music. The only song they can listen to is "The > Model". I would have to dissagree to that... I know quite a few girls/women in Canada that love Kraftwerk. One of my best friends loves the harmonies in Trans Europe Express (she's a trained classical pianist). -Troy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: KW and Army and GIRLS Date: 06 Sep 1996 12:07:30 -0400 My wife likes some Kraftwerk and can't stand some of it. Oh well, she considers the sound of Hendrix's guitar "boy's noise, while I think Hendrix was the greatest rock guitarist ever. Can't agree on everything! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: KW and Army and GIRLS Date: 06 Sep 1996 12:08:17 -0400 Oh man, you need all of it on tape! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: KW and Army and GIRLS Date: 06 Sep 1996 12:10:43 -0400 Years ago--1981 to be exact--my then-girlfriend was the one who turned me on to "Computer World." The album left a monumental impression on me. The girl? I don't know where she is now; she married someone else (as did I).... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Aktivitaet articles list Date: 06 Sep 1996 12:56:34 EDT For the benefit of any newcomers to the mailing list; past digests of the mailing list contain articles from the unofficial KW fanzine 'Aktivitaet' on a number of KW topics. A list of the articles that have been mailed to the list and the digest numbers that they appeared in are available. Similarly, details of the fanzine itself. Please e-mail me. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: B sides Date: 06 Sep 1996 12:56:28 EDT > From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) > > BTW, does anyone know if there are any unreleased flip-sides of any KW > songs?--you know, songs that were on the back of singles but were never > released on the albums. Now, I'm not talkin' 'bout French- and > Spanish-language versions of the classics, but real songs that many of us > have never heard before. Peace. Hmmm, not really. And in fact, Ralf Huetter seems quite proud of the fact, there is a quote from an interview where (I don't recall exactly) he mentions that you cannot get any Kraftwerk songs that are not on albums. (Don't know how he must regard 'Tour De France' then!) On the occasions that material is only available on a single release it is always either a mix/remix/instrumental or language variation. No actual 'otherwise unavailable' 'songs'. The only possible exception is the bands first single, the German-only 'Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie' - but this is really two early versions of the 'Kometenmelodie' tracks from 'Autobahn' so probably do not count, even though they are quite different. And 'Tour De France' of course. 'Housephone' is really just a mix of 'The Telephone Call', not a new song as such. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: re; OMD/Karl Bartos material Date: 06 Sep 1996 13:09:36 EDT > From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> > > I believe OMD's new album, 'Universal', is released in the UK today (Monday 2nd > September). > > If anyone on the list buys it, could you give your opinion? I know there's at > least one track co-written by Karl Bartos, but does he actually appear on it? > More to the point - is it any good? What Klaus Zaepke has already said is correct. It is a fairly uninspiring piece, nothing out of the ordinary. By OMD standards the instrumentation is bland; electric slide guitar which could have come from any Tom Petty record, acoustic guitar, bass, heavy trad. rock drum beat, and swathes of orchestral padding. And vocals akin to latter Tears For Fears. The track co-written on the single, 'Mathew Street', is an unashamed Beatles pastiche from the piano chords, mellotron samples and even sitar(!) of its instrumentation. Sorry for anyone who the sentiment upsets, but the last thing the world needs is yet another Beatles soundalike IMHO; George Harrison already has something of a monopoly on such material already! Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: re; OMD/Karl Bartos material Date: 06 Sep 1996 13:11:58 EDT > From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> > > I believe OMD's new album, 'Universal', is released in the UK today (Monday 2nd > September). > > If anyone on the list buys it, could you give your opinion? I know there's at > least one track co-written by Karl Bartos, but does he actually appear on it? > More to the point - is it any good? What Klaus Zaepke has already said is correct. It is a fairly uninspiring piece, nothing out of the ordinary. By OMD standards the instrumentation is bland; electric slide guitar which could have come from any Tom Petty record, acoustic guitar, bass, heavy trad. rock drum beat, and swathes of orchestral padding. And vocals akin to latter Tears For Fears. The track co-written on the single, 'Mathew Street', is an unashamed Beatles pastiche from the piano chords, mellotron samples and even sitar(!) of its instrumentation. Sorry for anyone who the sentiment upsets, but the last thing the world needs is yet another Beatles soundalike IMHO; George Harrison already has something of a monopoly on such material already! Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sgt.norman.hopper@WRSMTP-CCMAIL.ARMY.MIL Date: 06 Sep 1996 13:54:19 EST I'm not sure what all the talk about 'Tour de France' not being available on album. I have a 12 inch single of 'Tour de France', with the song on one side, and a re-mix on the flip-side. I purchased this in the eighties some time, from 'Record Bar' in Michigan. The album has a bicycle gear in the middle on the sticker, and the cover ias red, white, and blue with all the KW members riding bikes. Now, true; I've never seen this song on a KW cd, or tape. I can't believe nobody else has this album ? Anybody heard anything else on KW's new album 'Life' ? I did see a video on MTV recently for 'Boing Boom Tschak'. Pretty rare, and it was about 3 a.m. "From hell's heart I stab at thee" - Khan - Norman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: Tour de France on Album Date: 06 Sep 1996 15:09:17 -0400 sgt.norman.hopper@WRSMTP-CCMAIL.ARMY.MIL wrote: > > I'm not sure what all the talk about 'Tour de France' not being > available on album. > > I have a 12 inch single of 'Tour de France', with the song on one > side, and a re-mix on the flip-side. I purchased this in the eighties > some time, from 'Record Bar' in Michigan. Which is to say, it is on a single, not on an album. This is the distinction that was being made. -- Adam J Weitzman ----- Individual, Inc. ----- weitzman@individual.com "I love the music of the 20th century!" - Bruce Willis, "12 Monkeys" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Genepool@aol.com Subject: Male vs. Female Date: 06 Sep 1996 17:41:25 -0400 <>>> I would have to strongly disagree: 1. Audience at Kraftwerk show in NYC 1981 was well mixed. 2. I know several women who are Kraftwerk fanatics. 3. It's dangerous to Stereotype, even when you are armed. ;) Steve ******************************************* genepool is the name of our band ******************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: Date: 06 Sep 1996 22:49:12 +0000 flibble smeerie sgt.norman.hopper, neaaarrriiiee larmy wibble wibble waltz... > MY NAME IS NORMAN, I AM NEW TO THE LIST. I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING > KRAFTWERK FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS NOW AND AM CONSTANTLY SEEKING NEW > INFORMATION ON THEIR WORK (PAST AND PRESENT). I AM PLEASED TO BE > A PART OF THE LIST, AND LOOK FORWARD TO SPEAKING WITH ALL OF YOU. Yeah, but we can all hear ya, thar be no need to shout, SARGE-UNT! Of course we're all interested to hear your views + questions about Kraftwerk. Well, I am. Guys ? :-) -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** A1200 28Mhz 020 545MB HD 6MB RAM <= (I'm not that sad) ******| |***** Analogue Synth freak || JarreVangelisKraftwerkTangerineDream*| |***** Northern Ireland vibe spreader||CarlosNumanErasureTomita ****| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "Blessed are the cracks, for they let the light through!" - Rev. Stevie Fever # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tod William Myerscough Subject: rare single Date: 06 Sep 1996 12:08:26 -0500 (CDT) Hullo. I'm brand new to this list, so please cut me some slack if my next question has already been asked/discussed: where in the world can I obtain a copy of the "Tour de France" single (preferably on cd)? My search so far has been unsuccessful. Perhaps there are other kraftwerk fans who could help me out?... Per a recent conversation at this site: I find that kraftwerk's music is precise, but not emotionless. Rather, the emotion/feeling is controlled and constrained; one could say that it creates more tension, and makes the pieces more interesting. Compared to the more primitive, chaotic approach of so many current rap and grunge bands, kraftwerk's music, I believe, is clean and beautiful. Plus, who cares if some people think kraftwerk's music and image are "fascistic"? There are too many radical, Politically Correct bands out there already. So there! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Tour de France Date: 06 Sep 1996 23:19:38 EDT >>> I'm not sure what all the talk about 'Tour de France' not being available on album. I have a 12 inch single of 'Tour de France', with the song on one side, and a re-mix on the flip-side. I purchased this in the eighties some time, from 'Record Bar' in Michigan. The album has a bicycle gear in the middle on the sticker, and the cover ias red, white, and blue with all the KW members riding bikes. Now, true; I've never seen this song on a KW cd, or tape. I can't believe nobody else has this album? <<< This isn't an album. It's a 12" (30cm) single. Warner Bros. 20146 to be exact. TDF has never been on an album until the Japanese re-issue of CW on CD. "Album" refers to a full-length work regardless of what format it's on--even vinyl. >>> I did see a video on MTV recently for 'Boing Boom Tschak.' Pretty rare, and it was about 3 a.m. <<< Could this have been on the new MTV2, not MTV? Original flavor MTV doesn't play oldies except in blocks that are clearly identified as such. BBT is part of the MN-S video. It's crazy phat. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lotsisk@dcs.gla.ac.uk (Konstantinos Lotsis) Subject: Male vs. Female Date: 07 Sep 1996 16:03:57 +0100 My argument "Girls don't like KW music" was based on greek and british females. I now that KW are quite popular among females in other countries, such as Germany, where it happens to know many girls that adore Kraftwerk music. Anyway, I am sure that we can convince all of them to listen to KW music!! Kostas ************************************************ Konstantinos Lotsis MSc in IT Department of Computing Science University of Glasgow - UK e-mail: lotsisk@dcs.gla.ac.uk ************************************************ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: malophd@ix.netcom.com (Michael P Maloney) Subject: Re: KW and Army and GIRLS Date: 07 Sep 1996 13:50:09 -0700 You wrote: > >** High Priority ** > >Kostas wrote: >>> P.S. Girls do not like KW music. The only song >> >they can listen to is "The >>> Model". > When my sister went to college, "Electric Cafe" was a big album. She bought it, brought back and I stole it. Ever since, I have been a huge KW fan. HA!! K.C. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Tribal Gathering 1997 Date: 07 Sep 1996 23:09:05 +0000 I noticed the following in the September issue of "Beam me up": "Fuer das Tribal Gathering 1997 brodelt die Geruechtekueche schon auf vollen Touren. Angeblich steht die Universe-Crew in Verhandlungen mit Underground Resistance und Kraftwerk, wobei letztere ja auch schon dieses Jahr auflegen sollten. We'll see." Universe has allegedly negotiations with Kraftwerk for the Tribal Gathering 1997. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: "Waiting" by Exxcelsior Date: 07 Sep 1996 23:09:07 +0000 Exxcelsiors first CD-single is out in Germany: "Waiting" (EMI 7243 8 82941 2 6). Track listing: 1. Waiting (Radio Edit), 3:29" 2. Waiting (House Mix), 3:42" 3. Waiting (Extended Mix), 4:59" 4. Waiting (Club Mix), 7:12" Wolfgang Fluer is credited for the composition (together with Steve Baltes, Paul Hutsch and Reiner Fongern), the lyrics and also for "spoken words". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: Original vinyl 'Tonefloat' Date: 07 Sep 1996 23:09:07 +0000 > In regard, does anyone know a if this is an outrageous price or actually > somewhat common for this particuliar album? I'm afraid that it is a realistic price for an original copy of this album. > where might I obtain a copy at a better price, if there is a better price, let > alone a copy... If someone is interested in the vinyl counterfeit (=bootleg) version of the "Tonefloat" album: I have a spare copy to offer. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: "Life" or "Live"? Date: 07 Sep 1996 23:09:05 +0000 > He also told me that they were working on a new album called "Life". Is it possible that he said "Live"? This was an early working title for the "The Mix" album, AFAIR. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: EMI titles and German translations Date: 07 Sep 1996 22:55:39 EDT >>> "Fuer das Tribal Gathering 1997 brodelt die Geruechtekueche schon auf vollen Touren. Angeblich steht die Universe-Crew in Verhandlungen mit Underground Resistance und Kraftwerk, wobei letztere ja auch schon dieses Jahr auflegen sollten. We'll see." <<< Ai-yo, kid, I don't speak no german, so how 'bout a literal translation, bavakasha? (that's "please" in Hebrew) Thanks. HOW TO SHORTEN CATALOG NUMBERS ON EMI AND ASSOCIATED LABELS (EMD, formerly CEMA Distribution, in the US) 1. Look for label--first letter of label becomes prefix ("E" for EMI Records (and things distributed by EMI Records, such as Pendulum and Wild Pitch), "F" for Chrysalis, "V" for Virgin (and all associated Virgin labels such as Caroline, Astralwerks, Gyroscope, Noo Trybe, Charisma, Pointblank, Vernon Yard, Blue Plate, Venture, etc.), "C" for Capitol (and labels distributed by Capitol, such as Grand Royal and Delicious Vinyl), "K" for SBK, "S" for CEMA (EMD) Special Products, "D" for Curb (only when distributed by CEMA (EMD)), "B" for Blue Note, "X" for IRS, and "P" for Priority (US only; Priority is part of Virgin abroad). The only exceptions are Angel and EMI Classics which the prefixes are CDC, CDQ, or CDP (look on the CD spine). Parlophone is not a US label, so use "CDP." 2. Look at the five-digit section of the long catalog #--that's the short version. 3. Add the prefix to the universal format number (from the UPC code--"1" for vinyl (and 12" vinyl Singles), "2" for CD, and "4" for cassette (except Angel & EMI Classics--use prefix and 5-digit number only); put a hyphen between the two, AND THERE YOU HAVE IT! Example #1: EMI 7243 8 82941 2 6 becomes EMI E2-82941. Example #2: Noo Trybe/Virgin/EMI 7243 8 41583 2 3 becomes Noo Trybe/Virgin/EMI V2-41583 Keep in mind that "7243 8" is the UNIVERSAL UPC PREFIX for all the newer EMI/CEMA (EMD) titles. The older prefix is "0777 7" (only 'til about 1993) The only exceptions are Angel & EMI Classics (newer titles only), which is sometimes "7243 5"; and everything distributed by Caroline, which is "0170 4." I hope that clears everything up. If there are any questions, just ask me. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: "Life" or "Live"? Date: 08 Sep 1996 00:15:26 -0400 Personally, I am a bit skeptic because i doubt KW would title an album "Life." This seems much too vague a concept, and way too cliche. Since the beginning, KW has seemed to give profound insights into the whole of life by dissecting and accenting certain aspects of it - which I generally find more appealing than arrogant statements like "life is....blah blah blah." When I think of music that is like this, I often think of bands that try too hard to write about "life" and philosophize about it, and then the lyrics come out sounding elementary. A lot of typical prog rock seems to be this way. KW, on the other hand, take extended journies through very minimal aspects of life and make them come alive with music. "Life" almost seems to take on a new meaning because they force the listener to get very deep with something that appears to be "everyday." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: German translations Date: 08 Sep 1996 12:42:01 +0000 > Ai-yo, kid, I don't speak no german, so how 'bout a literal translation, > bavakasha? (that's "please" in Hebrew) Thanks. I've already translated the relevant part of the article in the last sentence of my original message. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: 'Future Music' October 1996 Date: 08 Sep 1996 07:58:17 EDT The Oct issue of the UK music-tech magazine 'Future Music' has interviews with OMD and Electronic, both of which have some info on Karl Bartos' involvement. There's also a few words from Karl himself, of which the most intersting part IMHO is this: (when asked what he's doing next...) "I've just started the next Elektric Music album. I've just bought the new Akai 16-track digital machine with *Logic Audio*. I've just written the tracks and it is similar to the stuff that is on the Electronic album: more pop than intelligent overdrive! It feels happy! I hope that Johnny, Bernard and maybe even Andy can contribute, but they are all very busy you know..." Ho-hum. STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Exxcelsior Date: 08 Sep 1996 08:03:12 EDT Hi Klaus... Is it possible to give any more info on that Exxcelsior single? Do you know if it's a side project, a one-off, or what? Also, what's it like? etc :-) Regards, STAGGMAN. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry LaCost" Subject: Franz Schubert Date: 08 Sep 1996 19:24:18 UT From TEE, is the song "Franz Schubert" a real piece that was originally composed by Franz Schubert? If so, what was the piece called? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: Exxcelsior Date: 08 Sep 1996 16:35:35 +0000 > Hi Klaus... > Is it possible to give any more info on that Exxcelsior single? > Do you know if it's a side project, a one-off, or what? AFAIK Exxcelsior is a band of young German newcomers, and Wolfgang Fluer helped them with some of their material (composition, lyrics, vocals etc.). I believe that there are also plans for an album release, but I don't have hard facts. Anyone else? I don't know if Wolfgang Fluer is a fully integrated band member. I know that they recorded a version of "Waiting" where he did the vocals, but this version was obviously rejected for whatever reason. > Also, what's it like? etc :-) I would say that it is very conventional, "harmless" pop music. The composition is not very adventurous or innovative, but the song has a nice little melody, and the general effect is not bad. I like the song, though I am not able to give a precise explanation why... :-) BTW: Does anyone know if a promo video for this song exists? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RADIO-TTT_ZG@ZAMIR-ZG.ZTN.APC.ORG (Radio TTT) Subject: Re: kraftwerk & girls Date: 08 Sep 1996 11:56:00 +0200 % > P.S. Girls do not like KW music. The only song they can listen to % > is "The Model". % I would have to dissagree to that... I know quite a few girls/women % in Canada that love Kraftwerk. One of my best friends loves the % harmonies in Trans Europe Express (she's a trained classical % pianist). Yesterday in the evening (while listening to the german issue of Computer World CD) I also asked my girlfriend about her "_love_s & _hate_s" including KW. Well... quite interesting: 1. She likes "all good music" (whatever does it mean, ;-)) 2. She likes KW a lot 3. She likes "Nummern" aka "Numbers" a lot 4. She likes "Autobahn" 5. She likes "Boing Boom Tschak" 6. She likes "The Robots" 7. She likes Stereolab, cause she thinks there is something of KW's influence in their music (?!?) 8. She likes our cat 9. She loves me. (In Croatian language: 'loves' & 'likes' = same word) 1. She hates "all bad music" (what means: without any strong values, WDIM :-)) 2. She hates "OMD" (except their _early_ works!) 3. She hates our neighbours dog (agressive german sheperd) 4. She hates me when I'm on the Net ;-) Greetings, Dadi P.S. About the guy with all the CAPS LOCKED. Maybe is he working on the old VT100 terminal WHich CAN be enORmoUSLY wiCKEd someTImeS. Of course, he has to know something about Netiquette, too. ;-) ------------------ Arkzin on the Net: URL: http://pubwww.srce.hr/arkzin Email: arkzin_zg@zamir-zg.ztn.apc.org ## CrossPoint v3.02 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Luca Dassi Subject: Re: "Life" or "Live"? Date: 09 Sep 1996 11:44:27 -0700 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > > He also told me that they were working on a new album called "Life". > > Is it possible that he said "Live"? This was an early working title for the > "The Mix" album, AFAIR. > This is certainly possible: I remember asking him two times and still not being sure (after all, my English is not so good). Moreover, Ralf spoke in a very quiet and low voice, and Germans sometimes substitute "F" for "V" because in German they have the same sound. Bye, Luca [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ [ Korrekt! (Das Model) ] ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: Franz Schubert Date: 09 Sep 1996 15:29:31 +0000 > >From TEE, is the song "Franz Schubert" a real piece that was originally > composed by Franz Schubert? No, it's simply a variation of "Europe Endless". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: Exxcelsior (part 2) Date: 09 Sep 1996 15:37:59 +0000 Yesterday I wrote: > > Do you know if it's a side project, a one-off, or what? > > I believe that there are also plans for an album > release, but I don't have hard facts. In the meantime I did some "research": "Waiting" is their only release so far. There's no album scheduled for the nearest future. The release date for the single was 30.08.1996. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Bieler Subject: KW fs Date: 09 Sep 1996 19:45:11 +0200 (MET DST) Hi all! While digging through some record shops today, I saw a few items which might be of interest to some of you. If anyone wants to have some of them, I can get them. Please email me privately! Ralf & Florian LP: 1973 Germany (Philips 6305 197) [no poster, if I recall it right] Excerpts from Kraftwerk 2 and Autobahn LP: 19?? IT (Fontana; 9286 876) Italy??? Ooops, if I remember it right, it was a German release... Also, they had some of the later albums, most probably German releases. R&F was $50, The Compilation was $35. If ayone is interested, I can get them for you. Also, I have "Doppelalbum" for sale (2LP: 1974 GE (Philips 6623 057) [$bids$]. Greetings, Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Musique Non-Stop Date: 10 Sep 1996 00:36:45 EDT >>> What is "MN-S Video" a channel,a compilation video tape or what ?I am very interested. <<< Since all of us use acronyms for everything computer, and here, for everything Kraftwerk, "the MN-S video" stands for the video for the song "Musique Non-Stop." There is an excerpt of "Boing Boom Tschak" at the beginning of this video. As far as I know, there is no video just for "Boing Boom...." All clear # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lotsisk@dcs.gla.ac.uk (Konstantinos Lotsis) Subject: Re: Musique Non-Stop Date: 10 Sep 1996 22:23:35 +0100 ************************************************ Konstantinos Lotsis MSc in IT Department of Computing Science University of Glasgow - UK e-mail: lotsisk@dcs.gla.ac.uk ************************************************ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Bartos News Date: 11 Sep 1996 18:13:38 +0200 (DFT) The following is taken from the news section of "New Life" 9/1991: Karl Bartos kehrt zurueck Karl Bartos (ex-Kraftwerk) hat auf dem neuen Album von Electronic "Raise the Pressure" bei einigen Stuecken mitgewirkt. Anfang 1997 soll via SPV ein neues Album von ihm erscheinen. Ob dies unter dem Namen ElectricMusic [sic!] erscheinen wird, steht aber noch in den Sternen. A new album by Karl Bartos is scheduled for release in early 1997 on SPV. It is not yet decided whether it will be released under the name of Elektric Music or not. Other Kraftwerk-related articles in the same issue are - a review of the album "Raise the Pressure" by Electronic (feat. Karl Bartos) - a review of the single "Waiting" by Exxcelsior (feat. Wolfgang Fluer) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: More from Electronic/Bartos Date: 11 Sep 1996 13:52:04 EDT The new Electronic single, 'For You', released in the UK on September 16th will include a new track co-written with Karl Bartos - 'I Feel Alright'. It is on CD1 - CD2 will feature mixes of previous Electronic tracks. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Aktivitaet 8 - 'The Future Past' (Pascal Bussy Interview - Part 1) Date: 11 Sep 1996 13:52:22 EDT 'The Future Past' Questions and Answers with Kraftwerk Biographer Pascal Bussy Part 1 Aktivitaet 8 - August 1996 Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Three years on from its original publication, Pascal Bussy's 'Man, Machine and Music' remains the only such tome devoted solely to documenting the history of Kraftwerk. Until now there has been little information on Pascal Bussy himself and his reasons for writing the book in the first place. Enter Aktivitaet. The questions within this interview were derived from suggestions from a number of the fanzines readers/regular contributors and were completed by Pascal in September 1995. Read on... What came first - the idea to write a book on Kraftwerk or was it suggested as a suitable project, after writing the book on Can, by the publishers, SAF? "I'd had the idea for a long time, but we (SAF and myself) really decided to do it just after the Brixton Academy concert in London in July 1991. We had been so knocked out by the power of their music and of their show!" Roughly speaking, how long did the book take to write? Was it a project that you had at the back of your mind for some time or something started from scratch? "Two years. I wanted to do it ever since I conducted my first interview with Ralf Huetter in 1983. He was so mysterious. I wanted to penetrate this mystery..." What was Kraftwerk's reaction to your initial suggestion of writing a book about them? "(In Lyons, France, on 5th November 1991, it went basically like this...) Florian Schneider; "Why do you want to make a book about us? The music is there. That's enough." Ralf Huetter; "A book? Yes... No..." ." Did your book about Can for SAF have any bearing on the Kraftwerk tome? Similar points of reference, influences etc.? "Except for the fact that they both belonged to the same avant-garde scene and are both German, not really. And it was a completely different experience. The Can people were so cooperative. The 'Kraftwerk twins' were so non- cooperative." Any other bands that you would perhaps like to write about in the future? "Artists like Philip Glass, Yoko Ono, LaMonte Young. Bands like Soft Machine, Gong. And also a book about the importance of music in Wim Wender's movies." What was the principle reason why you chose to write a book on Kraftwerk? "Two Principle reasons; i) they were one of the very rare bands who didn't have a book on them and really deserved to have one. ii) it was a challenge." Judging from the authors note at the start of the book, it appears that the book was more difficult to write than you originally anticipated. Just how did you go about interviewing people for the book? Did it all depend on the agreement of Kraftwerk themselves before associates, such as Maxime Schmitt, Rupert Perry etc., would speak with you? Did you have to resort to any surreptitious methods?! "It was difficult because I didn't have any help from Ralf Huetter or Florian Schneider. But I was really lucky to be in Paris which is obviously a key city for them. It was easy to begin my investigations from there. I mean the people who were close to them in the 70s/80s. Secondly, having been in the music industry for almost twenty years. It's really a small world and suddenly you realise that a friend of yours knows the Front 242 people, that another one can get you some funny story, that someone else that you are in touch with for some business things has a connection with William Orbit. You know, these kinds of things..." The photographs used in the book were very good, far more interesting than the use of Kraftwerk's familiar press-release photos. Was it difficult to obtain the use of these photos? "That was part of the general investigation and some of them were really founded by pure chance - like the early concert one." How easy or difficult was it for you to gain access to band members themselves for interviews? Were they supportive of the book or more cautious? Florian Schneider for instance has been very, very reluctant to do interviews since the 1970s and it is known that he has told some fans that he was not interviewed for your book, claiming instead it was all made up. Can you understand his attitude about this? "It was easy to get the interview with Ralf Huetter in Lyons in '91, but he was not supportive to the book project. The interview with Florian Schneider was really made by chance. It was after the gig. It was a good concert, Florian was happy. He had caught a bad cold and he came in the concert hall after the concert to ask/look for some Kleenex! A bunch of fans were there, he began to speak with them, he even signed some Kraftwerk album covers. He was in a very good mood. Then I went up to him, asked for an interview and we spoke for 30/45 minutes." Have Kraftwerk's views towards the book now changed, after publication? "Basically, they don't like the book at all. But I've got the feeling that they are not prepared to like any book made about them..." There is little scope for the views of Wolfgang Fluer in your book. Do you feel that this was because he was not very keen to air his side of the Kraftwerk story or was it because he has plans to write his own book on this subject and was therefore unwilling to play his ace too early, so to speak? "Wolfgang Fluer has definitely (or at least when I met him in Duesseldorf) a plan to write his own book. That's why he was so reluctant to speak to me which I completely understand, even if I really don't know when his book will be published - I don't even know if it is actually finished..." - END OF PART ONE -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Withers Subject: Re: More from Electronic/Bartos Date: 11 Sep 1996 20:21:13 +0200 (MET DST) I have been off the list for a bit... Any news about a new KW album? It would surprise me, but hey - you never know... -As of yet no logo- Jerry Withers # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Kraftwerk T-Shirts for sale Date: 12 Sep 1996 12:39:29 +0000 I've two Kraftwerk T-Shirts for sale. 1) Autobahn (with 1991 European tour dates on the back, as sold during the 1991 European concerts, size: XL). 2) The Robots (white version, as sold during the 1993 concerts, size: XL). I've already got an offer of DM 50,00 for each T-shirt. If anyone wants to make a higher bid, please mail me. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Howard Stern's KW Reference (kind of...) Date: 12 Sep 1996 06:59:18 -0400 (EDT) I was listening to Howard Stern's radio show this morning, and at around 6:50 am Howard began reading the advertisement for one of his car dealership sponsors, Autoland. As he began to read the ad, he sung "The fun fun fun of the Autoland...". Then he stopped and continued on reading the actual ad. Okay, so maybe he doesn't know that the actual words of KW's "Autobahn" are in German, but hey - at least he knew the song! :o) -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry LaCost" Subject: RE: Kraftwerk T-Shirts for sale Date: 13 Sep 1996 07:35:41 UT 65,00 for The Robots. Thanks in advance! ---------- Sent: September 12, 1996 5:39 AM I've two Kraftwerk T-Shirts for sale. 1) Autobahn (with 1991 European tour dates on the back, as sold during the 1991 European concerts, size: XL). 2) The Robots (white version, as sold during the 1993 concerts, size: XL). I've already got an offer of DM 50,00 for each T-shirt. If anyone wants to make a higher bid, please mail me. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Aktivitaet 8 - 'The Future Past' (Pascal Bussy Interview - Part 2) Date: 13 Sep 1996 12:47:55 EDT 'The Future Past' Questions and Answers with Kraftwerk Biographer Pascal Bussy Part 2 Aktivitaet 8 - August 1996 Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * One area of the book that, judging by comments from readers of Aktivitaet, was a bit of a let down was the period around the unreleased 'Technopop' album. Before the books release, there was certainly anticipation that all would be revealed! In fan circles, this LP is very much the 'holy grail'... "I said everything in the book I was able to say about the subject. I really can't say more..." How willing were Kraftwerk to talk of this project? Do they seem uncomfortable with the emphasis that has been placed upon this period of their history and hence unwilling to go into any depth on the subject? "They were more mysterious than ever. So mysterious that at one point I had the feeling that this album never really existed!" Staying with 'Technopop', do you think that this LP has taken on a far greater significance than actually exists? Is it merely the tip of the iceberg, one project amongst many that have been shelved? There have certainly been rumours of material being destroyed (which Ralf Huetter has confirmed in at least one interview) and Karl Bartos has touched upon this subject too (he has been quoted as saying that there is 'kilometres' of unreleased tapes in Kling Klang). "I think that the very sad thing about Kraftwerk is that they very often have not been capable of completing their work and/or to materialise their ideas. That goes from unreleased tapes to non-finished LPs and also includes some of their dreams (like the robot concerts through satellite) and even pure marketing nonsense (the unfinished '91/'92 tour, the unreleased 'Tour De France' CD, the fact that they refused to put their first three albums on CD, so they open the road to bootleggers etc.). Since the beginning of the band, Kraftwerk have always been in the process of making a new album, recording it, mixing it etc. In a way we can consider that we are very lucky that they released so many albums!" The work pattern in the 1970s for Kraftwerk was to release an LP quite regularly but since 'The Man Machine' in 1978, the LP releases have become increasingly spaced out. With 'Computer World', the reason for the delay was they were updating their studio equipment and this seems to have become a favourite excuse, also being mentioned in press interviews for 'Electric Cafe' and 'The Mix'! From your own viewpoint, did you find this to be a significant reason for Kraftwerk's rather slow work rate, or are there any other reasons that are not so well publicised? "In my opinion the basic explanations for this slow work rate are very simple; i) they are far too perfectionist, they are never really completely happy with their work ii) they are ... very lazy! iii) they never had the financial pressure (unlike almost every active band in the world) to be obliged to release a new album every year." One particular aspect that is almost unique to Kraftwerk is their willingness to translate songs into various different languages. How passionate about this subject are the members of the band? Bearing in mind the mixture of languages, sometimes a few even within one song (eg 'Technopop'), do you envisage it being the case that future releases will see only one 'universal' language edition of an album, each song flitting back and forth between the languages available to them? "I think that these languages are more some kind of funny things, like a sort of gadget, but it doesn't really affect the music so much. The strength and even the power of Kraftwerk doesn't come from that, even if the Japanese and French fans are certainly very happy that their native language is used by Ralf Huetter from time to time. And I also think that the universality of their work comes from the music, the different languages add a certain flavour, but the music is the basis of everything." Do you have any theories why Kraftwerk continue to play live concerts? It seems perplexing; it is well documented in your book that the members dislike this aspect of their work ... yet still they continue. Is playing live still an important facet of being Kraftwerk? "Florian Schneider obviously hates to tour. For Ralf Huetter I guess it's a bit different, touring must be for him a kind of challenge and also maybe a way of proving that Kraftwerk is not dead... But on the other hand it might be a hard experience for him, taking care of the technical things (you will certainly have noticed that technical problems happen very often through their gigs), also being put in a position of meeting their record company, the journalists etc. ... such a nightmare!" How satisfied were you with the finished book, has it answered what you set out to do in the beginning? "Yes, I was satisfied. At least I think that the book sums up all the historical facts and even goes a little further." Were there portions that had to be left out, either through lack of detailed information or for other reasons? "Yes, we (Mick Fish and I) left out certain things, just to be sure that the book wouldn't create any personal problems to anyone - people who spoke to me, Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider themselves, previous members of the band." Analysing Kraftwerk's past music press interviews, it seems as if Ralf Huetter often sidesteps specific questions or give a rather glib and/or vague answer to the query. Did you find it difficult to obtain the answers you were hoping for when interviewing the band members, were there areas that remained impenetrable? "With them, every question seems to be a problem ... and yes, sometimes it was very difficult." In your opinion, is the enigma of Kraftwerk carefully cultivated or are they really such free spirits that they have little or no concern for the norms of the music industry? The concept of them being musical workers, turning up at Kling Klang day in, day out sounds all well and good, yet there is so little to show for it... "I already more or less answered this question. But I can add something else - I feel that in a way Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider have become prisoners of the Kraftwerk image." I believe that you now work for the WEA record label in Paris, handling the jazz releases in particular? "Yes, I'm in charge of the Warner Jazz department at WEA in Paris. For me, music has always been something global. I've always been interested in rock, pop, contemporary, classical, jazz, ethnic music etc. At my time of life (I'm just about to enter my 40s), jazz is a more comfortable area to work in than the pop/rock area. The jazz world is much more 'intelligent' than the pop world, less hysterical and often more creative too." Is the Kraftwerk book now a closed subject to you or are you still keeping up with their activities since publication, perhaps with the view of adding to the book at some future point? "Yes, I'm still very interested in Kraftwerk and it might be possible that someday an augmented edition of the book sees the light of day." Finally, are there any questions which you would like to answer that have not been covered? "Just one point. I have heard it alleged through various sources that Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider once said that they have never talked to me and that everything quoted from them in the book is untrue. In fact, they were appearing to say that they never met me. This is of course completely wrong. That's why all the sources of all the quotes (interviews) are carefully listed at the end of the book. And the cassettes of these interviews are kept somewhere (two different DAT sets in two different places) if anything regarding this had to be officially proved. A last-minute point. I have always had a huge respect for Kraftwerk as musical innovators. I still have this respect, even if their non-cooperative way of acting has sometimes been not so easy to cope with. But I know that this attitude is a part of their image. I could even say that if they had been cooperative they wouldn't have been Kraftwerk. So ... everything is OK." On behalf of Aktivitaet, I'd like to thank Pascal for taking the time to answer these questions and Mick Fish at SAF for helping to make this happen. IAC - END -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Phat T-shirts Date: 14 Sep 1996 18:32:11 EDT Ai-yo, those T-shirts sound all that, knowhutimsayin? But for us German-impaired brothas, how much is DM 50? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: NEU!: " '72 Live!" Date: 15 Sep 1996 10:29:31 +0000 Here are the details for the new NEU! live CD: Title: " '72 Live!" Label: Captain Trip Records Cat-No.: CTCD-045 (NEU! 1.000-5) Recording date: 06.05.1972 Line up: Klaus Dinger, Michael Rother, Eberhard Krahnemann Titles: 1. Part 1 (38:55") 2. Silence (11:11") 3. Part 2 (16:55") It's not "really" live, but a rehearsal recording. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: New Neu Date: 15 Sep 1996 17:17:19 EDT What is this group Neu that I keep hearing about here? What do they have to do w/ KW? Were/are they a prototype for Einsturzende Neubauten (an excellent group) or something similar? I've never heard of them until I subscribed to this list.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: New Neu Date: 16 Sep 1996 01:18:58 +0100 At 17:17 15/09/96 EDT, you wrote: >What is this group Neu that I keep hearing about here? What do they have Neu were a group of the late 60's-early '70s german "wave" called "kosmische kurieren", for their use of advanced (then) electronic technology to create something that could be called psychedelic. the first two album of K could be good late instances of this style. other relevant names are Can, Klaus Schulze, early Tangerine Dream. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry LaCost" Subject: Stop Sellafield Date: 16 Sep 1996 16:54:22 UT Who were the additional musicians playing for Kraftwerk, besides Ralph Hutter, at the Sellafield concert. I was having trouble distinguishing who's who in the "Stop Sellafield - The Concert" video (it was hard to do since we barely saw them physically perform...only on song... Radioactivity). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Stop Sellafield Date: 16 Sep 1996 17:55:03 EDT > Who were the additional musicians playing for Kraftwerk, besides Ralph > Hutter, at the Sellafield concert. L to R: Ralf Hutter, Henning Schmitz, Fritz Hilpert, Florian Schneider. Regards, STAGGMAN. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Capitol/EMI C2-46473 Date: 16 Sep 1996 23:10:20 EDT I finally got "TEE" on CD, and the sound is all that! Does anyone know if the Cleopatra version has the artwork that's inside the CD booklet? There's a picture of the band around a table, and there's an illustration, on a musical staff, of pictorial representations of the tracks. Also, this replaced a cassette (4XW-11603) that I had for ten years that died recently. For some reason, the song order on the cassette was different than on the CD. I've never seen this song sequence anywhere else, but it's the one I'm used to, so I have to reprogram the CD in the order that I'm used to. Which one is "correct"? Europe Endless Showroom Dummies Franz Schubert/Endless Endless The Hall of Mirrors Trans-Europe Express/Metal on Metal This is the only order I know, but it seems this ordering is rare. What's the 411? Also, Klaus Shultze is dope, I picked up about nine of his CDs while traveling (on Brain/PolyGram) 'cause most of 'em aren't available here. "Picture Music" is incredible, but it doesn't seem in the least Kraftwerk-y. I do know, however, that Shultze was a founding member of Tangerine Dream, but Shultze's music is much better. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: More from Electronic/Bartos Date: 17 Sep 1996 18:20:53 +0000 > The new Electronic single, 'For You', released in the > UK on September 16th In Germany it will be released on September 23rd. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ThAlby@aol.com Subject: Re: Capitol/EMI C2-46473 Date: 17 Sep 1996 16:04:25 -0400 I have the original vinyl GB release and a newer german CD. Both have the following order: Europe Endless The hall of mirrors Showroom Dummies (side two on vinyl) Trans-Europe Express Metal on Metal Franz Schubert Endless Endless # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Capitol/EMI C2-46473 Date: 17 Sep 1996 16:27:05 -0400 (EDT) >Europe Endless >Showroom Dummies >Franz Schubert/Endless Endless >The Hall of Mirrors >Trans-Europe Express/Metal on Metal > >This is the only order I know, but it seems this ordering is rare. What's >the 411? Well, the actual order that the songs on TEE should appear in are as follows (bear in mind that I'm listing the German language versions which includes a separate listing for Abzug. The English language versions do not list Abzug as a track on the sleeve although it does appear on the album itself): Europa Endlos Spiegelsaal (Hall Of Mirrors) Schaufensterpuppen (Showroom Dummies) Trans Europa Express Metall Auf Metall Abzug Franz Schubert Endlos Endlos -- Scott M. Barnhill "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors where he discovered a reflection of himself." -- Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: Capitol/EMI C2-46473 Date: 18 Sep 1996 01:05:13 +0200 Adam E Schefflan wrote: [TEE] > Which one is "correct"? > > Europe Endless > Showroom Dummies > Franz Schubert/Endless Endless > The Hall of Mirrors > Trans-Europe Express/Metal on Metal Original vinyl italian release and Capitol CD: --- side 1 (vinyl) Europe Endless The hall of mirrors Showroom Dummies --- side 2 (vinyl) Trans-Europe Express Metal on Metal Franz Schubert Endless Endless EMI Electrola german version CD CDP 564-7 46133 2: Europa Endlos Spiegelsaal Schaufensterpuppen Trans Europa Express Metall Aud Metall Abzug Franz Schubert Endlos Endlos > Also, Klaus Shultze is dope, I picked up about nine of his CDs while > traveling (on Brain/PolyGram) 'cause most of 'em aren't available > here. > "Picture Music" is incredible, but it doesn't seem in the least > Kraftwerk-y. I do know, however, that Shultze was a founding member of > Tangerine Dream, but Shultze's music is much better. Peace. It's 'Schulze' and not 'Schultze' !!! I prefer 'Timewind' definitely. For an album in the digital era (some 15 years later) I like 'En=Trance' a lot. Cheers! -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Capitol/EMI 4XW-11603 Date: 18 Sep 1996 00:38:36 EDT Yeah, this is the order on my CD: Europe Endless The hall of mirrors Showroom Dummies (side two on vinyl) Trans-Europe Express Metal on Metal Franz Schubert Endless Endless Why d'you think the change occurred on that cassette pressing? It seems really weird. Could the cassette be a collectors item (mine died, but I still have the cover--it has only the cover image, none of the artwork inside)? BTW, I think a collaboration between KW and 808 State would be an innovation in itself! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry LaCost" Subject: Interesting KW find Date: 18 Sep 1996 06:11:58 UT I've discovered two interesting CD's here in the Los Angeles area. It seems that U.S. records companies are producing remakes of Kraftwerk material performed by other artists. Here are the CDs: Performer: Old School Players Title: Old School Bass DM Records - DMR 41277 Trans Europe Express has been modernized by this band (not bad a remake I might add...). Actually this version is a take off from KW's "The Mix" CD and they did a good job at keeping it in tact without chopping it up. TEE looks a little bit out of place from the rest of the line up, but I also enjoyed Planet Rock and Clear from this CD (brings back memories). Anyway, here are the tracks from this CD. Jam On It Planet Rock Supersonic Trans Europe Express Posse On Broadway Body Mechanic Push It Rock It (We Like the) Cars That Go Boom Clear Jealous Fellows Old School Jam Performer: Old Skool P.O.F Title: Old School Street Jams Volume 1 Pandisc Records: PDD-8886 (1996) No this is not a typo, it is spelled "Skool" and, by the way, P.O.F. stand for Professors of Funk. Musique Non-Stop, Tour De France & Computer World are in this CD's line up. You can hear excepts of Kraftwerk in this remake of Musique Non-Stop. Tour De France reminds me of this CD I bought in Switzerland with TDF on it called Synthesizer Greats performed by Laser Sound Orchestra (Long Island Music Company Limited/MCPS - Red Line Selection). I wouldn't be suprised if they used the identical keyboard in this mix. I can that this remix is a h*ll of a lot better than the Swiss bought CD. Finally, Computer World is excellent in this remix, however, I'm puzzled with the different wording coming from their "Speak and Spell" machine (police(?), peace(?), concert(?), machine(?)) -- where did that come from? If you can overlook that, you'll find that Computer World is excellent. Here are the tracks from this CD. Electric Kingdom Baby Got Back The Message Hard Times Al Maafyish (The Soul) Musique Non-Stop Tour De France Friends Computer World Egypt, Egypt It's Automatic Moments In Love Rainforest Give Up The Funk Both CDs mentioned the names of who wrote the original songs but did not list the name of the band (Kraftwerk). See Ya Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: Capitol/EMI C2-46473 Date: 18 Sep 1996 09:42:42 +0200 > > Also, Klaus Shultze is dope, I picked up about nine of his CDs while > > traveling (on Brain/PolyGram) 'cause most of 'em aren't available > > here. > > "Picture Music" is incredible, but it doesn't seem in the least > > Kraftwerk-y. I do know, however, that Shultze was a founding member of > > Tangerine Dream, but Shultze's music is much better. Peace. > > It's 'Schulze' and not 'Schultze' !!! > I prefer 'Timewind' definitely. For an album in the digital era (some > 15 years later) I like 'En=Trance' a lot. And what about 'Mirage'? it's just a wonderful album!!! the beginning is maybe a bit chaotically calm, but after 10 minutes your mind begins to plane slowly and deep into something unknown... Also the album 'Irrlicht' is very strange. I was taken of an uncomprehensible fear when I listened to it the first time. Timour -- :: Timour JGENTI Institut Francais du Petrole ::::.. :: timour.jgenti@ifp.fr DIMA, groupe Image ::::::::.. :: http://www.utbm.fr/les.personnes/lu.chen/timourpages/tim.html ::::.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: More from Electronic/Bartos Date: 18 Sep 1996 11:22:52 +0000 For collectors: The ESPRIT Mailorder catalogue (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/esprit_mail_order/esprit.exe) lists the following permutations of these Electronic/Bartos releases: > ELECTRONIC For You (German maxi CD inc All That I Need, p/s) > ELECTRONIC For You (Radio Edit UK promo CD, p/s CDR-DJ-6445) > ELECTRONIC Forbidden City (Australian 3-track CD single, card p/s) > ELECTRONIC Forbidden City (German 3-trk maxi CD single, p/s) > ELECTRONIC Forbidden City (UK promo CD, custom p/s CDR-DJ-6436) > ELECTRONIC Forbidden City (Album Vers US promo CD, PROCD8264) > ELECTRONIC Forbidden City (Album Vers US promo CD, PROCD8290R) > ELECTRONIC Raise The Pressure (US 13-trk CD in promo stamped p/s) > ELECTRONIC Raise The Pressure (Japan 14-trk CD features bonus trk > for Japan only: All That I Need, picture sleeve & fold out lyrics) Is "All That I Need" one of the Bartos tracks? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Exxcelsior (part 3) Date: 18 Sep 1996 17:00:29 +0200 (DFT) In Digest 12 I wrote: > AFAIK Exxcelsior is a band of young German newcomers "Newcomers" appears to be not exactly correct. In fact there is already a solo CD by Steve Baltes available, "Pictures in Rhythm", released in 1995 on the Le Petit Prince label (PrinCD 95/24). The sleeve design is very similar to the sleeve of the Exxcelsior single. Two CD singles by Steve Baltes are also available, "Exxcalibur" (sic!) and "Shadows of Sin". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: TEE cassette running order Date: 18 Sep 1996 15:35:33 EDT > Why d'you think the change occurred on that cassette pressing? It seems > really weird. Back in the 70s (what an old git I am) it was quite common for record companies in the UK to re-jig the running order of an album when it was issued on cassette, in order that the two sides be similar to each other in their running times. The reason usually given was something like: "...to avoid interruptions in your enjoyment of the program..." - but was probably more to do with saving money on wasted tape I reckon! Many of the cassette masters would then remain with that running order, so that future issues of the tape would also carry the incorrect sequence. Presumably this same thing was also going on in the States? When I first got into music I used to only buy cassettes, and I totally agree with you about how you get used to one particular running order, with the result that the correct sequence then seems totally wrong when you get to hear it as it was originally intended. If you think that's bad though, you should see what they used to do with 8-Track Cartridges sometimes! Whereas with cassettes it was usually just a case of swapping a couple of tracks over from one side to the other, hopefully keeping the opening and closing tracks etc as intended, the running order of these things was quite often completely butchered in order to fit the material across the four continuous stereo tape tracks of roughly equal length. Weird isn't it... these days the whole concept of their being "sides" to an album has pretty much disappeared :-) STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Klaus Schulze and Larry Heard Date: 19 Sep 1996 01:52:26 EDT >>> It's 'Schulze' and not 'Schultze' !!! I prefer 'Timewind' definitely. For an album in the digital era (some 15 years later) I like 'En=Trance' a lot. <<< Yeah, "En = Trance," which I got while traveling, is da bomb! I love the third cut ("FM Transmission" or something like that). I like that he can squeeze so many possibilities out of the same beat (three of the four cuts have the same rhythm pattern). Did you hear his collaborations with fellow German Pete Namlook-Kuhlman? Do you like Larry Heard as well? He is American, and one of the house-music legends (under the name Mr. Fingers), but he has started recording more dance-oriented ambient/new age under his own name. Unfortunately, his albums aren't available here. I got them in Israel as imports from the UK. I wish some record company here would get wise and recognize the real, knowhutimsayin'? His shit is really years ahead of his time. >>> Al-Maafyish (The Soul) <<< This should be spelt "Al-Naafiysh," and it's performed by Hashim. I love this song--a classic. The original version is on Rhino/Atlantic's "Street Jams--Electric Funk Volume 1." And "Rainforest" is originally by Paul Hardcastle (are these cover versions that you mention?--Pure desecration if you ask me). >>> When I first got into music I used to only buy cassettes, and I totally agree with you about how you get used to one particular running order, with the result that the correct sequence then seems totally wrong when you get to hear it as it was originally intended. <<< Well, I was 15 (now I'm 25) when I first got TEE. I usually bought vinyl (and miss it like crazy although I prefer CDs; 953, the present total of my collection, is just too few!), but I just felt like having TEE on cassette. I do know that Capitol/EMI Records went through a weird period in the 1970s--the logo change, for example. The cassette was one of those really old duplicated ones that didn't have the colored leader tape--it was oxidized from the very beginning. I believe that KW is an anomaly on the Capitol Roster, so strange things began happening to their shit. The coolest thing about the TEE CD, though, is the '70s Capitol logo is preserved everywhere--and even on the disc itself (remember, anyone how the middle of the vinyl records looked with that logo--really cool!). BTW, isn't it weird that the world's favorite group and our favorite group are labelmates? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Aktivitaet 8 - 'The Golden Age of Radio...' (Part 1) Date: 19 Sep 1996 13:10:58 EDT 'The Golden Age of Radio...' 20 years on from the release of 'Radio-Activity', a look at the LP in more detail. Article by IAC, with thanks to Klaus Zaepke and Gunther Poecker for translations and additional info. Part 1 Aktivitaet 8 - August 1996 Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Following 'Autobahn' and the worldwide recognition it brought Kraftwerk, 'Radio- Activity' came as something of a sideways step with its release at the end of 1975. 'Autobahn's clean-lined melodies and doppler sound effects had appealed to a varied audience, even garnering the 'Teutonic Beach-Boys' tag from the media. 'Radio-Activity' is a much more entwined affair, the boundaries between music and noise becoming more blurred, moving back to the manner of their early LP's, where sound itself rather than keyboard melodies was the prime instrument. The album opens with the simulated sounds of a Geiger counter, the rhythmic beat quickening and heralding in 'Radio-Activity' itself. The title track is a slow moving, ponderous song filled with ethereal choral sounds and tinkling keyboard harmonies, bedded down with a driving electric bass-synth foundation. Topped off with all manner of recreated sounds from the ether, be they radio interference or morse-code signals. Lyrically, the message is open-ended, it is far from clear exactly what form of radio-activity is 'in the air for you and me' here that the 1991 reworking from 'The Mix' pins down precisely. Such misinterpretation has always been a potential pitfall of Kraftwerk's manner and maybe why 1991's version was seen as a 'volte face' in some critics eyes. The albums other more immediate offerings are 'Airwaves', 'Antenna' and 'Ohm Sweet Ohm'. 'Airwaves' takes up from where 'Autobahn' itself left off, its motorik rhythm and bassline propelling the track at fast pace. The rhythms in particular for both this track and 'Ohm Sweet Ohm' recall sections of 'Autobahn', with its steadily increasing speed a la the later section of that song. 'Airwaves' has a memorable combination on top - sounds like a Mellotron keyboard sound and a piercing lead synth line solos throughout, splitting into separate lines panned left and right respectively, an ether-like radio howl in its nature. There is not a great deal of lyrical matter, but the vocals harmonise nicely throughout. This is without doubt one of the best tracks on the record. The end tails off as the notes of 'Intermission' begin, a short interlude before the voices of 'News' commence. The other most immediate track is 'Antenna', which was chosen as the flip side of the 'Radio- Activity' single. (Both tracks even had special promo videos recorded for them.) Of note, the 1991 re-recording of 'Radio-Activity' samples a particularly memorable 'electricity bolt' sound from 'Antenna'; Kraftwerk sampling themselves rather than others! But for less patient ears there may be too many incidental pieces that hold little lasting appeal. The pop song count, which increases progressively with each subsequent LP, is not high here, with only 'Radio-Activity', 'Airwaves', 'Antenna' and possibly 'Ohm Sweet Ohm' really fitting such a description. 'Radioland' and 'Radio Stars' are both too repetitive and sparse to really be counted in those terms, while the remaining pieces are the sound poems as documented earlier, with the exception of the short, instrumental 'Transistor' which doesn't fit in to any of the other trends, taking on the qualities of an elongated radio jingle perhaps. The tracks on the record which are primarily lyrical, built around their words rather than the music alone are interesting, if not quite 'pop music', exemplary of the progress on the lyrical front that Kraftwerk had made within the space of only a number of years; the bands first LP to feature anything like substantial lyrics/vocals was 'Autobahn', co-written with Emil Schult, the earlier LP's having been almost exclusively instrumental in nature, save the occasional snatch of vocal ('Ananas Symphonie, for example). Here on 'Radio-Activity' we have tracks which could not exist without their lyrical qualities. It would be difficult to imagine how 'Radio Stars' could exist without its vocals for instance. Similarly, 'News' mixes up recreated newscasts with additional, tinkling, would be radio-jingles and ever increasing radio interference. Read in German, the newscast being read by the ever multiplying voices reads thus... Here is the West German Broadcasting Corporation with the news Fifty atomic power stations are planned to be built in West Germany Within the next ten years Each one is able to supply a city of millions with current... The message continues, with 'broadcasts' from several radio stations overlaying one another and creating an increasingly garbled mix of sound; West German Broadcasting Corporation, The North German Broadcasting Corporation, The Bavarian Broadcasting Corporation, Radio Bremen. In the native German tongue, the Bavarian one in particular is loaded with humorous overtones, a thick local accent, obviously intended as a parody, intoning the text of the news. The exact text of each broadcast differs, but the 'news' itself is much about the same from broadcast to broadcast, detailing issues with regard to the atomic energy programme in West Germany but also touching on themes such as space exploration. 'The Voice of Energy' and 'Uranium' both resemble one another in their employment of electronic voices intoning the words over a backdrop of radiophonic sounds. Surprisingly, 'The Voice of Energy' dates from a far earlier era and is, as such, almost a cover version! A German avant-garde composer, Meyer-Eppler, had examples of his work broadcast on the West German radio station NWDR (Nordwestdeutscher Rundfunk) programme 'Nachtmusik' (Night Music) in the early 1950s. Primarily, his work involved the use of early incarnations of vocoder instruments, used to treat samples of existing sound/music. One such example is called 'Stimme der Energie'. An electrical current hum/buzz, it is as if it has its own voice via the primitive vocodered tones. The text is spoken in English, the words of this 'voice' are almost identical to those used by Kraftwerk, as the following translation will illustrate. Surely then, this is the only occasion that Kraftwerk have approached the realms of a cover version! Kraftwerk's 'Stimme der Energie'/'The Voice Of Energy', in English, is thus; This is the Voice of Energy, I am a giant electric generator, I give light and energy to you, And enable you to send and receive, speech, music and images through the ether, I am your servant and your master at the same time, So, better cherish me, Me, the Genius of Energy. Meyer-Eppler's 'Stimme der Energie' text is thus; This is the Voice of Power, I make it possible for you to have, electric light and radio and television, This is a giant generator speaking, I am both your servant and your master, So beware of how you use me, This is the Genie of Power. The similarities are too great to be co-incidence, especially if you bear in mind that both Huetter and Schneider have talked in the past of the influence on their work that radio broadcasts from this station and era have had upon them. It is unclear whether the piece is purely a Meyer-Eppler original or whether it hails from another source and is a 'treated' example, the piece is undated on the CD it hails from, so details are scarce and it is not certain that it was broadcast at this time. Other Meyer-Eppler examples use familiar source material ('Yankee Doodle Dandy' for instance!) run through the vocoder equipment. Both Huetter and Schneider when quizzed about the 'Radio-Activity' album in a 1976 interview in the German 'Musik Express' magazine**, were in mood to talk and these answers are contained in the following paragraph. It is worth pointing out that there is some discrepancy with Ralf's memories re tuning in via a transistor radio beneath his pillow; the first transistor radio did not appear until 1955, courtesy of the Japanese Sony company, earlier radios were far bulkier and less likely to fit comfortably beneath a pillow methinks! ** FS = Florian Schneider RH = Ralf Huetter FS; "This is a homage to the radio, the first existing electronic studio. Back then, people like Stockhausen always played music directly on the radio." RH; "We always listened to this in earlier times, the programme was called 'Nachtmusik'. This is our background, this is how we were inspired to form a purely electronic group ..... When it was dark and we had to go to bed, we would hear it under the pillow on a transistor radio. We are interested in the 'radio consciousness'." FS; "...you can hear the pre-defined information as intended when tuning in the station on your radio and you only have to adjust (the dial) a little bit, maybe on the short-wave band at night and you will get the craziest sounds, morse codes, pure sounds, this is crazy; Radio Cairo and so on ... This idea, LP as radio..." RH; "We were always hugely fascinated by this. We always wanted our own ... we saw us, Kraftwerk, in the Kling Klang studio, as a radio station. But this is not legally possible in Germany. In America we met people from our generation who have their own radio station..." FS; "They have their own radio programmes..." RH; "And blast their very own thoughts into the ether ... and we see ourselves as a private radio station." - END OF PART ONE -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: New US Kraftwerk re-release? Date: 21 Sep 1996 21:37:39 +0000 I've noticed the following on a saleslist: 12" KRAFTWERK Numbers, b/w Quadrant 6 US 1996 Are any more details known? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Kraftwerk clips on ARTE Date: 21 Sep 1996 21:37:39 +0000 The French/German TV channel ARTE is going to show some Kraftwerk video clips during their programme "Cyber-Stories" next Wednesday (25.09.) between 0:00 and 01:30 (CET), according to the "TV Today" TV magazine. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: "Kraftwerk 1 + Kraftwerk 2" Date: 21 Sep 1996 21:37:39 +0000 There is apparantly a new Kraftwerk bootleg out. I spotted this on a saleslist: Kraftwerk: "Kraftwerk 1 + Kraftwerk 2" / 2 on 1 CD (96); DOG Ent. 10014 Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: "Isi / After Eight" single by NEU! Date: 21 Sep 1996 21:37:39 +0000 I would be grateful if somebody could give me some closer information about the NEU! single "Isi / After Eight". I would especially like to know if the single contains edits or just the normal LP versions (Isi: 5:00", After Eight: 4:42"), if it was released in a picture sleeve, how rare it is and how much it may be worth. Many thanks in advance, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: New (?) Kraftwerk-related bootlegs Date: 21 Sep 1996 21:37:39 +0000 I've spotted the following CD bootlegs feat. former Kraftwerk members on a record fair today. I don't know if these are new releases, but I believe that nobody has mentioned them here before. All three are CD counterfeits of official LP releases. 1. Cluster: "Zuckerzeit" (produced by Michael Rother) (BTW: Isn't this CD also officially available??) 2. Thomas Dinger: "Fuer mich" (produced by La Duesseldorf) 3. Lilac Angels: "I'm not afraid to say 'Yes!'" (produced by Klaus Dinger) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Capitol/EMI C2-46374 Date: 21 Sep 1996 23:17:24 EDT Well, fellow 'werkers, yesterday I finally, after all of the years of being a fan of the world's greatest band, got my hands on "Radio-Activity"! I found it to be the oddest and most disturbing of the band's legit albums. It's amazing that after over 20 years that the music seems so fresh. It seems like a bit of an anomaly in the band's discography--kind of a nexus between the two eras. Although this is no "Electric Cafe," it's still a great album. BTW, this is totally unrelated, but can any Brits out there tell me if the American singer/songwriter Joyce Sims has put out any new material? I think she's the greatest singer/songwriter ever (you listening, Carole King?). Speaking of Joyce Sims, I think a Kraftwerk album produced by Mantronik, the greatest producer ever, would be da bomb! Maybe this is sacrilege to some of you (me included), but the concept seems amazing. At least the intricacy of the beats would improve! 2nd time now: don't you think it's weird that the world's favorite band (you can guess who) and our favorite band are labelmates? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Trivia Date: 22 Sep 1996 20:17:51 +0000 The October issue of the German magazine Keyboards contains a letter from a reader who had a phonecall with Florian Schneider back in March. He reports that the first three Kraftwerk albums would be officially re-released on CD, though there is no concrete release date yet. Kraftwerk would be also working on a new album, also with no concrete release date at the moment. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: prabhu@wedgwood.cs.umass.edu Subject: Capitol Reissues OOP ? Date: 22 Sep 1996 20:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Hi guys, Just noticed that CDConnection isn't listing any of the three Capitol re-masters ... (TEE, MM & RA). And neither is CDNow ... in fact CDNow claims even the Cleopatra version of TEE is out of print! (All the KW CD's on CDConnection's list are the Cleopatra versions) While I do still both versions in stores (and have all of the albums on CD myself), if you've been biding your time about purchasing the CD's maybe this is the time! I find it rather strange that Capitol's stopped pressing them so soon ... -- Rajesh # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) Subject: Need Dusseldorf Part 1 CD Date: 23 Sep 1996 08:36:00 -0400 HELP!! I need help locating a copy of the Kraftwerk bootleg Dusseldorf '91 CD - Part 1 (I've already got part 2). If anyone has any information, please e-mail me. Thanks. -John Talbert Farmington Hills, MI USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: Live tapes - the 'Autobahn' era Date: 22 Sep 1996 14:30:19 +0000 In Digest vol. 2, no. 443 it was written: > Live tapes - the 'Autobahn' era > by Ferric Bias, from Aktivitaet 7 (September 1995) > > KOELN - GERMANY - 22/3/75 - C90 > Released on the 'Kometenmelodie' bootleg LP and the 'Cologne 1975' > bootleg CD. > (Tracklisting; 'Ruckzuck', 'Kometenmelodie 1', 'Kometenmelodie 2', > 'Autobahn'.) > > There also exists a longer recording of this gig, but not in such good > quality. > (Tracklisting; 'Ruckzuck', 'Kometenmelodie 1', 'Kometenmelodie 2', > 'Autobahn', 'Tanzmusik', 'Mitternacht', 'Tongebirge', > 'Morgenspaziergang'.) This "longer recording" is a fake. Only the first half is from Koeln 1975 (mastered from the WDR radio broadcast). The second half (from "Tanzmusik" onwards) is from Leverkusen, 24.04.1974. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nl2057@cnsvax.albany.edu Subject: Kraftwerk and Hip Hop Date: 23 Sep 1996 15:18:00 -0500 (EST) Does anyone know if Newcleus's "Jam on it" has any Kraftwerk cuts and if so which one(s). Peace Nate B-boy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Withers Subject: Re: Live tapes - the 'Autobahn' era Date: 23 Sep 1996 22:36:58 +0200 (MET DST) Has anyone on the list been to a Kraftwerk concert? I saw Kraftwerk back in 1981 in Mannheim. The best concert I have ever been to!! (and I am not just saying this because this is the Kraftwerk list) :) Jerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Radioactivity Date: 23 Sep 1996 17:46:49 -0400 Personally, I find this to be Kraftwerk's most enjoyable full album - ie. as a whole. It just molds with itself so well. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: Catalog #s & Capitol/EMI re-issues Date: 23 Sep 1996 18:15:29 EDT >>> He reports that the first three Kraftwerk albums would be officially re-released on CD, though there is no concrete release date yet. Kraftwerk would be also working on a new album, also with no concrete release date at the moment. <<< Ai-yo, kid. Don't mean to be a nit-picker, but any info on labels/cat #s? And, are they bullshitting or is this the real deal? BTW, what is "Quadrant"? Just noticed that CDConnection isn't listing any of the three Capitol re-masters ... (TEE, MM & RA). And neither is CDNow ... in fact CDNow claims even the Cleopatra version of TEE is out of print! (All the KW CD's on CDConnection's list are the Cleopatra versions) >>> While I do still both versions in stores (and have all of the albums on CD myself), if you've been biding your time about purchasing the CD's maybe this is the time! I find it rather strange that Capitol's stopped pressing them so soon ... <<< I think they'll still be around. After all, they've converted the current pressings to CEMA/EMD/EMI's current catalog numbering system (the long version). B4 I forget, Two more CEMA/EMD/EMI prefixes: "T" for The Right Stuff (EMI's US reissue label--I must get my hand on that Rudy Ray Moore (Dolemite) CD) and "H" for Capitol/EMI Latin. If there were three copies of my last post, I have been having trouble with my e-mail account--sorry. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Capitol/EMI C2-46374 Date: 23 Sep 1996 20:12:23 -0400 (EDT) >>"Radio-Activity"! I found it to be the oddest and most disturbing of the >>band's legit albums. It's amazing that after over 20 years that the music >>seems so fresh. It seems like a bit of an anomaly in the band's >>discography--kind of a nexus between the two eras. Although this is no >>"Electric Cafe," it's still a great album. >Personally, I find this to be Kraftwerk's most enjoyable full album - ie. as >a whole. It just molds with itself so well. Just to throw my 2 cents in, I agree with ManMachn2@aol.com on this one. 'Radio-Activity' has always been my favorite "full album experience" from Kraftwerk, and certainly in my opinion one of the all-time great theme albums in rock/pop music. I'll agree with Adam E. Schefflan in so far as the idea that 'Radio-Activity' was a sort of nexus that bridged two distinct Kraftwerk eras - the perfect transitional crossover from 'Autobahn' to 'Trans-Europe Express'. It surprised me to see the above comment regarding 'Radio-Activity' as being "no 'Electric Cafe'", but still a great album. I think that many many KW fans would find themselves at odds with such a statement since 'Electric Cafe' never really received high praise as a general rule from either critics or KW fans. I myself have always defended the worth of 'Electric Cafe', and while I may not find it to be as monumental a step forward as 'Radio-Activity' was, it still resides high atop my 'best albums of all time' list, but then again, so do all the other KW albums as well! :oP -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "From station to station, back to Dusseldorf City..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and Hip Hop Date: 23 Sep 1996 20:38:02 -0400 (EDT) >Does anyone know if Newcleus's "Jam on it" has any Kraftwerk cuts and if >so which one(s). Ah, "Jam On It"... Brought back a lot of memories when you posted about this record. I can still remember the afternoon I went over to my local record store and purchased that 45 rpm. Anyway, after seeing your mention of it, I decided to go dig it out and throw it on again. For those of you not familiar with this one, it's called "Jam On It" (SUN 3010 A), recorded by Newcleus (M. B. Cenac) and released on Sunnyview Records back in 1984. As far as my ear can tell, there are no Kraftwerk samples on this record. The only sample I did pick up on was a sample of a bell sound taken from Depeche Mode's "Leave In Silence", released 2 years prior to "Jam On It". So, while the record does have a couple of cute little Kraftwerk-isms to it, none of them were taken directly from KW as far as I can tell. To hear all the sound intricacies more audibly, flip the record and listen to the instrumental mix on the B-side. -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "I'm Cosmo Dee from outer space..." - Newcleus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nl2057@cnsvax.albany.edu Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and Hip Hop Date: 23 Sep 1996 22:26:12 -0500 (EST) Yo thanks for the info. I wrote a while back about how I was one of those South Bronx B-Boy chilling with with this "Space Rock" hip hop thing. Bambatta, Newcleus, Ultramagnetic, you name it. Just wanted to share with you all: I was with my baby sister (17 yrs old) not to long ago. I was driving through the Bronx with her, my Volkswagen van, CD player and Electric Cafe. Being one of those girls you often see in Yo-MTV raps videos, I found it peculiar that she was enjoying track three. She then asked me who it was and if that's their new "shit". I told her that she was 6-7yrs old when thse guys were innovating. This music is timeless.! In any event, question: The track-The Man Machine, reminds me of one of those fresh hip hop songs from back in the days. I know the melody was in a rap song but I can't remember what the hell it was. I wanna say "Rockin it". Any ideas? Nate El Great B-Boy On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > > >Does anyone know if Newcleus's "Jam on it" has any Kraftwerk cuts and if > >so which one(s). > > Ah, "Jam On It"... Brought back a lot of memories when you posted > about this record. I can still remember the afternoon I went over to my > local record store and purchased that 45 rpm. Anyway, after seeing your > mention of it, I decided to go dig it out and throw it on again. For those > of you not familiar with this one, it's called "Jam On It" (SUN 3010 A), > recorded by Newcleus (M. B. Cenac) and released on Sunnyview Records back in > 1984. As far as my ear can tell, there are no Kraftwerk samples on this > record. The only sample I did pick up on was a sample of a bell sound taken > from Depeche Mode's "Leave In Silence", released 2 years prior to "Jam On > It". So, while the record does have a couple of cute little Kraftwerk-isms > to it, none of them were taken directly from KW as far as I can tell. To > hear all the sound intricacies more audibly, flip the record and listen to > the instrumental mix on the B-side. > > -- > Robotically Yours, > Scott M. Barnhill > mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu > "I'm Cosmo Dee from outer space..." - Newcleus > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam E Schefflan) Subject: WIKKI! WIKKI! WIKKI! Date: 23 Sep 1996 22:25:45 EDT >>> Does anyone know if Newcleus's "Jam on it" has any Kraftwerk cuts and if so which one(s). <<< The album is called "Jam on Revenge," and it was issued by Sunnyview Records, now part of Rhino/Atlantic, the famous & ubiquitous re-issue label. You're very lucky because I JUST found (literally) the cassette box. The cover was by Marvel Comics and the track listing is as follows: Newcleus: "Jam on Revenge" (Sunnyview SUN 4901) Side A: Computer Age (Push the Button) Auto-Man I'm Not A Robot Destination Earth (1999) Side B: Jam on Revenge (re-Mix) (sic) Jam on It Where's the Beat No More Runnin' All the songs were written by M.B. Cenac in conjunction with Robert Crafton III, B. Redmon, S. Roberts, T. Greene, and Joe Webb. The album was produced by Joe Webb & Frank Fair and mixed by Jonathan Fearing; It bears this notice: "(C) 1984 Sunnyview Records Inc." So you can see, no KW covers. It's a rather silly concept album, like one of those radio dramas for young kids, and, of course, you remember the 98.7 Kiss-FM of old, so you'd recognize Ken Webb's voice if you've ever heard the album. However, amidst some really stupid songs, there are some classics, including, of course, "Jam on It" (though it's slightly truncated). "Computer Age," "Auto Man," and "Jam on Revenge" are good, too. And, if you have any of Rhino Records' "Street Jams--Electric Funk" albums, Newcleus tracks are on every volume because Sunnyview is part of Rhino. They have another album, "Space is the Place" (don't confuse that with the song of the same name by the Jonzun Crew) which I've never heard, but I used to see it in the record shops. I wish Rhino would release the albums on CD, personally. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: "The Man-Machine" samples & "Electric Cafe" is the greatest Date: 24 Sep 1996 01:13:29 EDT >>> The track "The Man-Machine" reminds me of one of those fresh hip hop songs from back in the days. I know the melody was in a rap song but I can't remember what the hell it was. I wanna say "Rockin' it." Any ideas? <<< It eludes me now, but I recently took a sample of the MM bass line and coupled it with the "Renegades of Funk" beat slowed down, and then I added some flute playing from Ghana and some young children chanting from Burkina Faso. It sounds phat, but the MCs who I made the track for know nothing about music or rhythm or anything like that, and they thought it was too "old school." I thought it was an innovation--it sounds like nothing else. When I make hip-hop tracks, I try to sample the weirdest shit around. >>> It surprised me to see the above comment regarding 'Radio-Activity' as being "no 'Electric Cafe'", but still a great album. I think that many many KW fans would find themselves at odds with such a statement since 'Electric Cafe' never really received high praise as a general rule from either critics or KW fans. I myself have always defended the worth of 'Electric Cafe', and while I may not find it to be as monumental a step forward as 'Radio-Activity' was, it still resides high atop my 'best albums of all time' list, but then again, so do all the other KW albums as well! <<< EC and Mix are my FAVORITE Kraftwerk albums! It was amazing what they could do with modern equipment. Just the impact that this short album (EC, that is) has had on music is an explanation in itself! And, additionally, Mix only proves that the classics on modern equipment has still kept them one step ahead of everyone else. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry LaCost" Subject: Space Daze 2000 Date: 24 Sep 1996 06:13:03 UT Hey, have I been asleep or have we already discussed an CD titled Space Daze 2000. It's available at cdnow.com and here's their quote: "The sequel to "Space Daze," "Space Daze 2000" is an excellent sampling of ambient music. Drawing from both techno and rock, the collection features groundbreaking tracks from Brian Eno, Kraftwerk, and David Bowie as well as tracks from artists such as F.S.O.L. and Spiral Realms that popularized ambient music in the '90s. It's a perfect introduction to a sometimes challenging music." This is by Cleopatra (4665 1844 2) / 1996. Can someone comment on this CD. Is it worth acquiring? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry LaCost" Subject: Newcleus Date: 24 Sep 1996 06:40:42 UT Newcleus may have also another CD title called "Next Generation." It's a Canadian import found at cdnow.com Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: T.Weckert@ernie.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Thomas Weckert) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and Hip Hop Date: 24 Sep 1996 15:07:36 +0100 Hello again; >In any event, question: >The track-The Man Machine, reminds me of one of those fresh hip hop songs >from back in the days. I know the melody was in a rap song but I can't >remember what the hell it was. I wanna say "Rockin it". Any ideas? > >Nate El Great >B-Boy > I have this track, it=B4s from "2 Life Crew". Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ThAlby@aol.com Subject: Re: Kraftwerk clips on ARTE Date: 24 Sep 1996 12:19:58 -0400 Hi, > >The French/German TV channel ARTE is going to show some Kraftwerk >video clips during their programme "Cyber-Stories" next Wednesday >(25.09.) between 0:00 and 01:30 (CET), according to the "TV Today" TV >magazine. > According to my TV Magazine it's today!!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: re; Man Machine sample Date: 24 Sep 1996 13:32:08 EDT > From: nl2057@cnsvax.albany.edu > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:26:12 -0500 (EST) > Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and Hip Hop > > In any event, question: > The track-The Man Machine, reminds me of one of those fresh hip hop songs > from back in the days. I know the melody was in a rap song but I can't > remember what the hell it was. I wanna say "Rockin it". Any ideas? 'Dick Almighty' by 2 Live Crew sampled 'The Man Machine' heavily. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: Kraftwerk clips on ARTE Date: 24 Sep 1996 21:28:00 +0200 (DFT) > >The French/German TV channel ARTE is going to show some Kraftwerk > >video clips during their programme "Cyber-Stories" next Wednesday > >(25.09.) between 0:00 and 01:30 (CET), according to the "TV Today" TV > >magazine. > > According to my TV Magazine it's today!!!!!! No, it's definitely tomorrow (Wednesday). Tuesday ends at 23:59:59, Wednesday starts at 00:00:00. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Japanese CD releases Date: 24 Sep 1996 13:49:36 EDT The Japanese re-release of 'Computer World' appears to have been put back on the release schedule; the new date listed is 26.9.96, previously it was the end of August. Holding of breath not advised, since Jap CD releases seem to have a habit of biting the dust before they appear. There is also a various artists compilation CD due to be released in Japan on the same date. 'Route of Techno Pop' is the title and amongst the artists listed as appearing on it are Kraftwerk, OMD and John Foxx. Cat. no is TOCP-50014. These facts and figures courtesy of the latest Revolution Mail Order lists. Ian Calder. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: The KW-spawned era Date: 25 Sep 1996 00:55:39 EDT All this talk of Newcleus and other electric funk music has made me SO nostalgic. Again, I remember reading British music magazines on my recent travels, and I read so much shit about that great era. They even mentioned the group Monyaka (remember them?)! What ever the hell happened to them? There was this label that the magazine was discussing that was one of the major players (can't remember its name!), and, as usual, the UK gets a CD compilation, while we US citizens get to watch the master tapes rot in a vault, especially since we produced the music and owned the labels. I was lucky enough, in 1992, to get a Canadian import CD of the group Indeep (ah, memories!). Does anyone remember the song "Hip-Hop Bebop" by Man Parrish? I know you can only get the CD-5 here through the Canadian label Unidisc (they also released my Indeep CD). It's one of the least-remembered songs from the era, but it's fantastic! Why do foreign countries get the best American music on CD and we don't???? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk clips on ARTE Date: 25 Sep 1996 09:51:44 +0200 > No, it's definitely tomorrow (Wednesday). Tuesday ends at 23:59:59, > Wednesday starts at 00:00:00. Hey, it's not obvious at all, for me Wednesday started when I waked up this morning. By the way, it begun at 23:55:00 and not 00:00:00 so it was yesterday (fortunately i've checked my TV magazine) Well, there were 3 clips: Antenna Music Non Stop The Robots -- Tim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: Catalog #s & Capitol/EMI re-issues Date: 25 Sep 1996 12:46:28 +0000 > Ai-yo, kid. Don't mean to be a nit-picker, but any info on labels/cat #s? > And, are they bullshitting or is this the real deal? BTW, what is > "Quadrant"? Sorry, but I don't have any more information except the fragments I've already sent. Anyone else perhaps? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ignacio Martin Subject: Computer World Date: 25 Sep 1996 12:53:26 +0100 Personally, my favourite album of KW is Computer World, I think it's very ritmic and a lot electronic too :) Another thing... do you know what's the meaning of the (probably) morse transmission of the Song Watch TV in the Elektric Music Album "Esperanto"? There is a part that sound like pi pii pi pi pi etc... ?It's morse or not? Ignacio Martin Bragado (A Spanish KW lover) http://www.fam.cie.uva.es/nacho/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: Kraftwerk clips on ARTE Date: 25 Sep 1996 19:05:37 +0200 (DFT) > By the way, it begun at 23:55:00 and not 00:00:00 > so it was yesterday Yes, that's right, the time has been changed :-), as well as the title of the programme, by the way. It wasn't "Cyber Stories" (as announced), but "Cyber Cavalcade". > Well, there were 3 clips: > Antenna > Music Non Stop > The Robots Of note: "Antenna" was shown in black&white and the picture quality was rather bad. Looks like the master tape is damaged... Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: New FAQ is online Date: 25 Sep 1996 18:20:16 +0100 (BST) I'm pleased to announce that the new version of the Kraftwerk Frequently Asked Questions list is now available via the World-Wide Web. Please note the new URL:- http://sun1.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ Putting this new version of the FAQ took more work than you might imagine (it certainly took me by surprise!) so if those interested would let me know their opinions I'd be interested to learn if it was all worthwhile or not! Please be sure to let me know of any corrections, too. As requested (by 3 votes against none!) I've retained all the references to past digests, so that readers of the FAQ can read up on a subject further if they wish. I have to say thought that I may have to abandon this side of the FAQ in the next major release, as the work involved is just too great for me to justify to myself! Thanks to Klaus Zaepke and Russ Allert for their input (if I've forgotten anyone else, please let me know!). Kevin PS Is there a need for an ASCII text version? I understand that new subscribers currently get sent a copy of the FAQ by email, but perhaps given its present size it should just remain on the WWW (how many people have access to the Internet but not to WWW these days? Not many, I would guess). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: German "For You" Date: 25 Sep 1996 19:23:02 +0200 (DFT) The German version of Electronic's "For You" is now also out on Virgin. The catalogue number is 7243 8937362 2 (for France: PM 515). The tracklisting and cover design is identical to the first English version (CDRS 6445), while the package is different. The German version has a standard plastic box, while the English version has a Digipak cover. A second version was not issued in Germany. Karl Bartos is credited on two tracks, "For You" (composition) and "I feel alright" (composition and keyboards). BTW: Does anyone know if the version of "For You" on the English second version (CDR 6445) is the same as on version one? Or is it a different mix/edit? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Fluer News Date: 25 Sep 1996 19:36:56 +0200 (DFT) Frontpage 09/96 reports that Wolfgang Fluer was originally going to contribute to the "Electric City Duesseldorf" CD sampler (Ata Tak, EFA 03769), but he decided to reject his contribution. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Where are they now? Date: 25 Sep 1996 18:37:14 +0100 (BST) It seems the truth about what Ralf & Florian are up to these days is that they're making wooden toys in New Zealand. http://www.zelacom.com/~fcapuano/ Not really, but it seems there is a company called, of all things, "Mountain Kraftwerks" at that URL. Weird, eh? Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "L. Meyer" Subject: Re: Kraftwerk clips on ARTE Date: 25 Sep 1996 11:13:27 -0700 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Of note: "Antenna" was shown in black&white and the picture quality was > rather bad. Looks like the master tape is damaged... But isn't it supposed to have been originally made that way? At least that's one of the few details I remember since I watched this one a long (and I mean really long) time ago. |_ |\/| --- L.Meyer@ix.netcom.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweckert@ernie.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Thomas Weckert) Subject: Re: Computer World Date: 25 Sep 1996 21:56:12 +0100 > Another thing... do you know what's the meaning of the (probably) morse >transmission of the Song Watch TV in the Elektric Music Album "Esperanto"? > There is a part that sound like pi pii pi pi pi etc... ?It's morse or >not? > The news on the German ARD programme uses this peep peep for some reason when they tell you at the end of the weather forecast from which direction the wind will blow in the next day, maybe it means something like "north- north west" in morse code or whatever. Peep Peep! Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: "Antenna" clip Date: 25 Sep 1996 22:29:55 +0000 > > Of note: "Antenna" was shown in black&white and the picture quality was > > rather bad. Looks like the master tape is damaged... > > But isn't it supposed to have been originally made that way? No, it's definitely a colour clip, and the image quality was also better on earlier transmissions. If we assume that Kraftwerk haven't made two versions of that clip (why should they?) ARTE must have used a faulty tape. > At least that's one of the few details I remember since I watched this one a > long (and I mean really long) time ago. Hm, maybe they've used the same damaged tape then? Or maybe the master tape was produced in France and wasn't properly transferred to the (different) German colour system? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Barnes Subject: Tor de France Date: 25 Sep 1996 20:56:47 +0000 I see regularly on the lists request for information on the Tour de France single, and when rummaging through the local store, two Œ1996ı Kraftwerk singles were found. 1)Tour de France (two versions 6.45/6.57) / Computer Games (I donıt know who this is by) 2 Numbers (6.30) / Body Mechanic by YMO? Both are released by Ballroom records, a US DJ record company. As I havenıt got a record player at the moment I havenıt played them to conmfirm there provenance.  # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: Radioactivity Date: 24 Sep 1996 21:49:33 +0000 flibble smeerie ManMachn2, neaaarrriiiee Radioactivity larmy wibble wibble waltz... >Personally, I find this to be Kraftwerk's most enjoyable full album - ie. as >a whole. It just molds with itself so well. Radioactivity ROX; But I think Kraftwerk EXCEL in putting together albums which are greater than the sum of their parts!!! For example, MAN MACHINE and COMPUTERWORLD. They're combined in a way no other artist could!! -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** A1200 28Mhz 020 545MB HD 6MB RAM <= (I'm not that sad) ******| |***** Analogue Synth freak || JarreVangelisKraftwerkTangerineDream*| |***** Northern Ireland vibe spreader||CarlosNumanErasureTomita ****| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "Jarre's music to me shows what you can do with a PURE, and a natural mind. I celebrate that beauty of the human ability. -Mirai, on drugs (not taking drugs, but about them !!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: "Antenna" clip Date: 26 Sep 1996 01:53:00 +0200 > > > Of note: "Antenna" was shown in black&white and the picture > > > quality was rather bad. Looks like the master tape is damaged... > > > > But isn't it supposed to have been originally made that way? > > No, it's definitely a colour clip, and the image quality was also > better on earlier transmissions. If we assume that Kraftwerk haven't > made two versions of that clip (why should they?) ARTE must have used > a faulty tape. I too definitely saw a b/w version of the clip, a few years back on national TV. Best! Greetings, Klaus! (Let's take care of the promised article) -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "L. Meyer" Subject: Re: "Antenna" clip Date: 25 Sep 1996 18:07:15 -0700 Klaus Zaepke wrote: >> But isn't it supposed to have been originally made that way? > No, it's definitely a colour clip, and the image quality was also > better on earlier transmissions. >> At least that's one of the few details I remember since I watched this >> one a long (and I mean really long) time ago. > Hm, maybe they've used the same damaged tape then? Or maybe > the master tape was produced in France and wasn't properly > transferred to the (different) German colour system? I believe the different color system was probably the issue. And about the quality of the video, I guess it's been so long that my memory also degenerated a little bit. :-) |_ |\/| --- L.Meyer@ix.netcom.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: Trivia Date: 25 Sep 1996 16:46:28 +0000 flibble smeerie Klaus Zaepke, neaaarrriiiee Trivia larmy wibble wibble waltz... >He reports that the first three Kraftwerk albums would be officially >re-released on CD, though there is no concrete release date yet. >Kraftwerk would be also working on a new album, also with no concrete >release date at the moment. That's very interesting. I was just thinking recently that there were some parallels here with Jean Michel Jarre's back catalog; JMJ has a couple of albums he did in the early 70's, and they're currently deleted. They've been bootlegged, and of course, the originals are very rare. Thing is - JmJ does not want these albums to be re-released at all. In fact, he has promised to issue a writ to the bootleggers when he finds out who they are. Could the same be with Kraftwerk; that their early work is so different to their modern stuff that it is likely to damage their reputation ? -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** A1200 28Mhz 020 545MB HD 6MB RAM <= (I'm not that sad) ******| |***** Analogue Synth freak || JarreVangelisKraftwerkTangerineDream*| |***** Northern Ireland vibe spreader||CarlosNumanErasureTomita ****| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "We don't need lessons from Brussels on how to be European. We have know that for centuries". -- Jean Michel Jarre # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry LaCost" Subject: Re: Tour De France Date: 26 Sep 1996 06:25:26 UT >>1)Tour de France (two versions 6.45/6.57) / Computer Games (I donıt know who this is by) I believe the song Computer Games is by George Clinton from the album Computer Games. His main track on the album was called Atomic Dog. Bow wow wow yipee yo yipee yay! Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: YAMO News Date: 26 Sep 1996 12:25:20 +0200 (DFT) The new Spin Records newsletter on http://www.netville.de/music/labels/emi/n/spin/spin.html contains some information about Wolfgang Fluer's project YAMO. (in German, obviously). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: Live tapes - the 'Autobahn' era Date: 26 Sep 1996 12:06:57 +0100 At 22:36 23/09/96 +0200, you wrote: >Has anyone on the list been to a Kraftwerk concert? I saw Kraftwerk back >in 1981 in Mannheim. The best concert I have ever been to!! (and I am not I, too, saw them alive in Roma in 1981, during Computer World tour. Later, I saw them in Grassina, near Firenze, and in Milan. great performances. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Holmberg" Subject: Re: Where are they now? Date: 26 Sep 1996 14:26:25 +0000 > > It seems the truth about what Ralf & Florian are up to these days is tha= t > they're making wooden toys in New Zealand. http://www.zelacom.com/~fcapu= ano/ > To my knowledge, Ralf is nowadays a professor in Z=FCrich: http://www.snf.ch/Server_f/Organe_f.html :-) /G Gustav Holmberg, PhD student, History of Science and Ideas Lund University, Sweden. Gustav.Holmberg@fil.lu.se http://www.df.lth.se/~wilt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry LaCost" Subject: RE: Where are they now? Date: 26 Sep 1996 18:55:46 UT >>To my knowledge, Ralf is nowadays a professor in Zurich: http://www.snf.ch/Server_f/Organe_f.html May we get an English translation on "Le Conseil de fondation - Président: Ralf Hütter, professeur, Zürich?" Thanks in advance! Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Yet another Tribal Gathering rumour... Date: 26 Sep 1996 22:24:03 +0200 (DFT) Taken from Muzik 9/1996, p. 8: "Kraftwerk and UR play Tribal Gathering 1997? Kraftwerk and Underground Resistance are both rumoured to have been approached to play at next years Tribal Gathering. The German trio [sic!] is cited by many as being the godfathers of techno and notoriously secretive, while Detroits UR are, of course, one of technos most enigmatic acts. Kraftwerk were on the bill for a party at Lydd airport several years ago which was cancelled at the last minute and their appearance at Tribal 1997 is considered highly likely. [...]" Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Ahem! Date: 26 Sep 1996 20:24:12 EDT >>> The German version of Electronic's "For You" is now also out on Virgin. The catalog number is 7243 8 93736 2 2 <<< Have we forgotten already? Just type V2-93736 instead--it's shorter (and less numbers to remember!). Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Capitol Reissues OOP ? Date: 26 Sep 1996 23:58:29 -0600 (MDT) > Just noticed that CDConnection isn't listing any of the three Capitol > re-masters ... (TEE, MM & RA). And neither is CDNow ... in fact CDNow > claims even the Cleopatra version of TEE is out of print! The Cleopatra versions were all out of print before the recent Capitol issues even came out. (Just 'cause something's OOP doesn't mean you can't still find copies in stores, it just means the label isn't manufacturing them anymore.) -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RobbY Subject: May I introduce myself... Date: 28 Sep 1996 01:35:57 +0100 ...I'm an only-reader of this list for nearly a year now and the main reason for my hesitation to write is my bad english. But anyway I would like to participate in some discussions more active, and perhaps I can improve my english (therefore I would be pleased to get corrections :-)). I'm a Kraftwerk-fan since I was eight(!) years old (my very first album I got was Radioactivity) and today I own the complete Kraftwerk-works (even the original Philips-releases, of course :-)). The first thing I did, when I got access to the internet, was starting a search for Kraftwerk. And so I came across Anders' and Kevin's excellent sites, and through them I became attentive to Bussy's book and this list. I could realize that I'm not the only one who suffers from that passion; there are even people who are more crazy about Kraftwerk than me. ;-) How to expect, I'm making music myself, and my newer (electric) music interests beside from Kraftwerk are for example: Autechre, Aphex Twin, Bionaut, Biosphere, LFO, Mouse On Mars, Node, The Orb, Orbital, Pentatonik, Sensorama, Underworld... Thank you for reading so far. Hope I didn't bore you too much. Mail always welcome. Robby. \\\\ ( o o ) ************oOO**(_)**OOo********************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicholas D. Kent" Subject: Kraftwerk inspired Japanese Music Date: 27 Sep 1996 13:36:51 +0000 Some tid bytes: 2 Numbers (6.30) / Body Mechanic by YMO? I haven't heard it, but the song title is not by YMO. Could be an unauthorized remix or not by YMO at all. Something that does contain Kraftwerk samples (from "Pocket Calculator") is the song "Contact" by Pizzicato Five from the currently Japan only 1995 album "Romantique 96" (Columbia/Triad COCA-12886). The track was produced by Towa Tei. The album was at one point slated for summer 1996 release in the U.S.. I don't know the cause of the hold up, but in the past uncleared samples have held up their albums. On the subject of more original music if anyone on this list gets a chance to hear the 1990s work of P-MODEL (their 70s and 80s work is interesting too) you are in for a true Technopop treat. Nicholas Kent Japanese Synth Music Site http://idfx.com/artskool/jem/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RobbY Subject: Re: Kraftwerk clips on ARTE Date: 28 Sep 1996 01:35:43 +0100 >> Well, there were 3 clips: >> Antenna >> Music Non Stop >> The Robots >Of note: "Antenna" was shown in black&white and the picture quality was >rather bad. Looks like the master tape is damaged... Actually I didn't know that an Antenna-clip exist: Was it an original 70's-clip? And how did it look? Were the Kraftwerk-members shown? Unfortunately I've heard too late from this transmission and so I couldn't record it, though I've got many of the Kraftwerk-clips (Model, Robots, TEE, TDF, MN-S, Beatclub's Rueckstoss Gondoliere, only the Telephone Call-clip missing, or are there more authorized clips?). Was the Robots-clip different from the 91's The Mix-clip? Please report! :-) Robby. \\\\ ( o o ) ************oOO**(_)**OOo********************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RobbY Subject: Re: Yamo Remix Date: 28 Sep 1996 01:35:46 +0100 >I noticed the following in Frontpage 9/1996, p. 93: > > "Kraftwerks Wolfgang Flur bringt ueber die EMI eine neue Platte > heraus. Remix kommt von Joerg Burger aka Bionaut." > >Wolfgang Fluer's forthcoming release will be remixed by Joerg Burger >aka Bionaut. > > Klaus Zaepke I'm looking forward to this remix, though I even don't know the original yet. I really can recommend Bionaut's lush life electronica, but may be there is a newer release out now. Perhaps you can do an announce when the remix is out, Klaus, because you are always so well-informed! :-) Robby. \\\\ ( o o ) ************oOO**(_)**OOo********************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Kraftwerk clips Date: 28 Sep 1996 11:19:38 +0000 > Actually I didn't know that an Antenna-clip exist: Was it an original > 70's-clip? Yes, it is from 1976. > And how did it look? Were the Kraftwerk-members shown? Yes, it showed principally the Kraftwerk members in their Kling-Klang stage environment miming to the soundtrack of "Antenna" (single edit), interrupted by some stills/animations from radios, antennas etc. Originally only the stills and animations were in black&white, while the scenes with Kraftwerk were in colour, but the version shown on ARTE was completely black&white. > I've got many of the Kraftwerk-clips (Model, Robots, TEE, > TDF, MN-S, Beatclub's Rueckstoss Gondoliere, only the Telephone Call-clip > missing, or are there more authorized clips?). I know of the following Kraftwerk promo videos: - Radioaktivitaet - Antenne - Trans Europa Express (does also exist with English soundtrack) - Showroom Dummies - Die Roboter - Neonlicht (does also exist with English soundtrack) - Taschenrechner (does also exist with English soundtrack) - Das Model (does also exist with English soundtrack) - Tour de France (does also exist with German Soundtrack) - Tour de France (Remix) - Musique non stop - The Telephone Call - Die Roboter (Remix) - The Robots (Remix) - Radioactivity (Remix) > Was the Robots-clip different from the 91's The Mix-clip? No, it was indeed the version from 1991. Now I have two questions: 1. It is rumoured that there are also a version of "Die Robter" (original version from 1978) with an English soundtrack and a version of "The Telephone Call" with a German soundtrack. Is anyone able to confirm this? 2. It is also rumoured that the concert version of the "Das/The Model" film, which shows only the "historic" models, not Kraftwerk themselves, exists also in promo clip form. Is this true? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Help! Date: 29 Sep 1996 18:42:00 EDT OK, I know that some of you are electronic musicians. Can you help me with this: do any of you USA people in cyberspace know if you can get what is known as "Oriental" (i.e., Arab) keyboards and/or MIDI work stations? Oriental keyboards have buttons on them that you can use to flatten the notes of the Western scale, as well as beats with alien time signatures (9/8, for example), and Arab percussion instruments and patches (the oud, for example) I saw them in full force in Israel. BTW, any thoughts on a Mantronik-produced KW album? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Help! Date: 29 Sep 1996 15:30:06 EDT OK, I know that some of you are electronic musicians. Can you help me with this: do any of you USA people in cyberspace know if you can get what is known as "Oriental" (i.e., Arab) keyboards and/or MIDI work stations? Oriental keyboards have buttons on them that you can use to flatten the notes of the Western scale, as well as beats with alien time signatures (9/8, for example), and Arab percussion instruments and patches (the oud, for example) I saw them in full force in Israel. BTW, any thoughts on a Mantronik-produced KW album? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ThAlby@aol.com Subject: Re: Kraftwerk clips Date: 28 Sep 1996 19:05:26 -0400 >2. It is also rumoured that the concert version of the "Das/The Model" >film, which shows only the "historic" models, not Kraftwerk themselves, >exists also in promo clip form. Is this true? > I think only one version of the Model-clip exists and the concert-version has just the scenes with KW cut out. The "historic" scenes are the same. The clip is still almost daily shown on MTV (between 7 and 9 a.m., I can only see it when I'm on night duty), VIVA also shows it in the early morning hours. Tom # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger <76113.2741@CompuServe.COM> Subject: X-PRESS 2 'TRANZ EURO XPRESS' (junior boy's own) Date: 30 Sep 1996 17:15:19 EDT Dotmusic had following on it's website last week.. X-PRESS 2 'TRANZ EURO XPRESS' (junior boy's own) The Rocky, Diesel & Beedle combination comes up trumps once again. Their lead Ride mix powers along very nicely with its high momentum throbbing synths, last heard on Sylvester's 'Do You Wanna Funk', setting off the sultry "Do you wanna ride?" invitation and the Kraftwerk-style title line. The X-Press Wah-2-Funk mix casually piles on the fully-flanged discoid loops, while the jazzy Ballistic Step version ensures that there is something for everybody. A separate promo has remixes from Way Out West and Ian Pooley. The former turn in a trancey monster with great gated keys, while the latter lays down the loops to gradually build a huge hypnotic groove. [Image][Image][Image][Image][Image] Cheers Roland Metzger-Switzerland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Help #2 Date: 30 Sep 1996 19:48:37 EDT >>> I have an E-mu "Vintage Keys" rackmount synth that has various scales on it. It has scales such as "vallotti," "19-tone," gamelan," and "user," which let's the user tune any single key to whatever pitch he or she wants it at - so i guess that oriental and arabic scales could be "programmed" into it. <<< Not exactly what I had in mind. The keyboards I'm talkin' 'bout clearly say "Oriental" on them, and they have arabic writing present. What I want to know is if I can get them in the US. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: (kw) Re: What's the 411? Date: 15 Sep 1996 13:23:43 +0000 blerkum shminkum Scott M. Barnhill, waltz Re: What's the 411? larmy teapot coffee table hatstand waltz... >>What's happened? did everyone die overnight? Or is it my e-mail? Peace > Yeah, that's been happening a bit lately on this list I think. >There was one point about 2 weeks ago where I didn't receive any KW posts >for about 2.5 days. It's either slow or people really don't have anything >to say at the moment. I keep telling y'all, it's because the list admin has the list in "moderated" mode, which means that postings do not pass to the list until he has O-Ked them. -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** A1200 28Mhz 020 545MB HD 6MB RAM <= (I'm not that sad) ******| |***** Analogue Synth freak || JarreVangelisKraftwerkTangerineDream*| |***** Northern Ireland vibe spreader||CarlosNumanErasureTomita ****| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "Musak is the shit you hear in elevators and supermarkets". -- Jean Michel Jarre # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender.