From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk pronunciation Date: 01 Jul 1997 03:54:44 MET-2MED On 30-Jun-97 A.D., LM carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) Kraftwerk pronunciation": >Julian Seifert wrote: >> Yeah, bang on. Anyways, it's pronounced : >> Shit-Hot! > What??? "thirty-seven degrees centigrade" -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) You F*#@ing Tw*ts Date: 01 Jul 1997 08:54:42 +0000 Well, who are the clever w#@*ers that did not pay their money, and therefore ruin the plan for the rest of us to obtain the Olympic CD from Nexus! Sometimes it makes me regret being on a list, if we were communicating in person at least I would be able to crack a few of your skulls for your behaviour. Fortunately, I have received a personal mail from Nexus saying that he has received my bundle of CD's as well as my MONEY! This means that I will in fact get this compilation. So Rich., don't panic, I will forward yours on. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk pronunciation Date: 01 Jul 1997 04:23:57 -0400 Message text written by Emanuel Mair >>> Yeah, bang on. Anyways, it's pronounced : >> Shit-Hot! > What??? "thirty-seven degrees centigrade"< That's Coool!!! :-)) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hiroshi MURATA Subject: Re: (kw) Japanese CDs Date: 01 Jul 1997 16:46:56 +0900 Dear Ken and all the 'Werkers, Am Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:52:26 -0700 (PDT), schreibt Kenneth Wang, > Hello. Does anyone have any information regarding Japanese-released > Kraftwerk CDs containing music not easily available in the US? Is > Autobahn readily available in Japan? Are there any unique Japanese > releases other than Computer World with "Dentaku"? Autobahn was once out as a made-in-Japan CD, but it hasn't any different track. Also, Computerworld is the only official CD release which came with bonus track. The manufacturer Toshiba EMI has its own Web site but it's written in Japanese doublebyte characters. 8-( Some on-line shops, like www.cdeurope.com and www.ab-cd.com, have similar info. CDEurope still lists Kraftwerk's "yet untitled new album" which was once announced to be out on 29/Jan/1997. 8-( Mit Computerliebe, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo, Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) You F*#@ing Tw*ts Date: 01 Jul 1997 07:56:05 -0400 >Fortunately, I have received a personal mail from Nexus saying that >he has received my bundle of CD's as well as my MONEY! This means >that I will in fact get this compilation. So Rich., don't panic, I >will forward yours on. Hi folks. I'd also like to voice my concern regarding the matter of people not paying the postage fee required by Nexus for shipment of his CDs. I remember corresponding with Nexus about his CDs before this whole mess erupted, and how terrific I told him it was that he could make this available to us so professionally and at such low cost! A very small price to pay in exchange for such material. I had sent my money to him prior to his initial post about people who had already begun to stiff him out of postage funds, and now thanks to that I don't know if I'm going to be receiving my disc or not. Sure I could just accept my money back graciously, but I want the *merchandise*, not my money. :-) Having seen similar occurences on other mailing lists in the past, I suppose people should take great care when proposing an offer like this one, and if there were some way to institute a screening process to distinguish the honest and trustworthy individuals from the moochers, I'm sure it would be implemented readily. Until then, we'll have to make do with what we have. -- Scott barnhill@easyway.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Olympic cancellation Date: 01 Jul 1997 01:40:26 -0700 -(recapping Dirk's response to Nexus' Olympic CD Cancellation.)- > To all listmembers that havenīt included the money - > I am sure that there will be enough words that will express > my thoughts about how you care for friendliness. > > Just one more word - unsubscribe kraftwerk.com > > I do not want to be a member of a community like this one. Shame on you. > Thatīs one of the most detestable things IMHO. > > The are several listmembers ( Klaus ) that Iīll stay in contact with. > Also the members involved on the kraftwerk-remake thing. > Sorry for you other guys. I am sure youīll accept my decision. > > Dirk Lieber Dirk! With much regret that you are leaving, I can't say that I blame you. I, too, am seriously considering unsubscribing to the List. Snobbery is bad enough, but, thievery is even worse! I can't take it anymore. I was hoping I had finally found Kindred Spirits here, but, aside from a few very special, warm-hearted CyberPals out there, it really seems like a lot of so-called KW Fans just don't give a damn, and it grieves me deeply. There are too many thieves/flamers who spoil it for the rest of us. I am beyond angry and disgusted! I'm afraid I'm not going to have any better luck with my K-shirts than Nexus is having with his CDs. I can't afford to be ripped-off! -(I will NOT break my word to those with whom I have already made arrangements in exchange for these wonderful KW tapes, etc, that you've all sent me. Words cannot express my joy and Gratitude! It'll take about a month, but, I WILL make your K-shirts, even if I have to draw them each by hand. Your friendships & correspondence are very dear to me.)- In any case, people can always communicate by private Email -(PLEASE stay in touch)- and read the Archives to gather KW info without actually being subscribed to the List. It sounds like a viable option to me. Auf Wiedersehen. Endlos, Endlos.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tobi Subject: (kw) CD Cancellation Date: 01 Jul 1997 17:51:52 +0100 Well, although I am not really affected by the cancellation (besides a moral viewpoint), I consider it as a sad idea if all those list members who mentioned it would unsubscribe. Naturally, I understand each of you that you are pissed off (and I also would share this feeling deeply if I had expected a CD from Nexus). I admit, my words are not often to be found in this list, and I assume there are probably a lot more who are joining this silent minority(?). But dear folks, this is the time to stand up and talk! So my call goes out to all of you, especially to those list members whose names is known already by all of us whose disappearance would make this list to something different, not so valueable, even worthless: Stop the emigration! I strongly recommend, ask, beg that you don't leave! The ones that did not put the small amount of money inside their packages to Nexus are to blame and *they* should leave... So my question is: would it be an indecent proposal to ask Nexus to publish the names of those betraying punces just here in this list? I know it does not change what has already happened, but for me it seems a fair reaction to misbehavior like this. Whatcha sayin'? Peace to Allah and justice, tobi. tobi@nofrontiere.com http://www.nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) CD Cancellation Date: 01 Jul 1997 10:32:39 -0600 (MDT) > So my question is: would it be an indecent proposal to ask Nexus to publish > the names of those betraying punces just here in this list? As list admin I think this would be an *excellent* idea. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruce M. Lloyd" Subject: (kw) Olympic Cancellation Date: 01 Jul 1997 13:10:03 -0400 >As of today, I will not burn one other CD. > >All of the stuff I'll receive from now on will be returned as is, >envelopes and packs, without being opened (except for those with who >I have other plans, that includes Robot and Hiroshi). Let me get this straight -- you would burn the CD, *then* open the envelope to find no money? I dont want to sound heartless, but, if you're going to make a product available, why not wait until you have the cash first, *then* make the CD. If some git hasn't provided the proper amount of money for S&H, then you simply send the money back, with a note saying there isn't enough cash. Or just simply keep the money they have sent (like I would do!). If there is no money *at all*, throw the envelope *away*! Instead of acting childish and not making any CDs period, show some business acumen. Pretend you're Kraftwerk. Bruce ---- Marhsall McLuhan was both a mental case and full of shit. bml@bgi.on.ca www.geocities.com/~brucelloyd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) CD Cancellation Date: 01 Jul 1997 11:28:05 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Tobi wrote: > I admit, my words are not often to be found in this list, and I assume there > are probably a lot more who are joining this silent minority(?). But dear Including me. Let's be realistic for a moment. Whenever you make an offer like Nexus did - ie, a non-commercial sale to a group of aquaintances(sp) - you have to expect that some of your orders are going to be just hot air and some will be incompletely paid, out of either stupidity, malice or forgetfulness. Rarely have I seen a deal like this go off without a hitch. I don't understand why the KW diehards would want to leave the list because some others short-changed Nexus. The premise does not logically lead to the conclusion. This is the best and nearly the only place to discuss KW online. If you people leave, there will be next to no content on the list. We'll be left with only those very people who caused this debacle. > Nexus are to blame and *they* should leave... So my question is: would it be > an indecent proposal to ask Nexus to publish the names of those betraying > punces just here in this list? I know it does not change what has already I would tend to agree, but it would probably make matters worse as some of those listed would try to defend themselves and others would start a flame war. Although it may prompt some to send Nexus the remaining payment. /*--------------------------------------+---------------------------------* | Soleil "Ra" Lapierre | Contents 57.6% nerd, 85% pure. | | lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | Myers-Briggs product type INXJ | | http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs | Celia Green is right! | *--------------------------------------+---------------------------------*/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nexus Subject: (kw) Olympic Cancellation Date: 01 Jul 1997 10:54:05 -0700 (PDT) >Let me get this straight -- you would burn the CD, *then* open the >envelope to find no money? I dont want to sound heartless, but, if >you're going to make a product available, why not wait until you have >the >cash first, *then* make the CD. You didn't get it straight. I have the master CD and burn others as it goes. Things not going any further, I won't burn another one. That's a real simple concept. And I meant I wouldn't burn another CD, for anyone. Another simple concept. >Or just simply keep the money they have sent (like I would do!). If Our opinions quite differ. >Instead of acting childish and not making any CDs period, show some >business acumen. Pretend you're Kraftwerk. We have an expression in France, saying "c'est le bouquet"... I don't have to take lessons from anyone here. I'm not Kraftwerk, and by the way I wonder what your business acumen would do against empty enveloppes and the perspective of YOU being called a theft by the people pretending there was cash in those enveloppe. And if acting honestly equals being childish, then I guess I'll go out and get drunk...No future. Nexus _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk pronunciation Date: 01 Jul 1997 14:26:17 -0400 (EDT) I was "bawn" in Brooklyn and can't get rid of the accent--when I pronounce "Kraftwerk," it sure doesn't sound like the proper German pronunciation, try as I might...! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk pronunciation Date: 01 Jul 1997 14:42:01 -0400 >I was "bawn" in Brooklyn and can't get rid of the accent--when I pronounce >"Kraftwerk," it sure doesn't sound like the proper German pronunciation, try >as I might...! :) I'm also from Brooklyn myself, and it's taken years to shake the accent (not to mention the lack of the post-vocalic "r"), but jove I do believe I've got it now! -- Scott barnhill@easyway.net "Anutha lonely night, stare at the tv screen. I dunno what ta do, I need to get me a goddamn girl, man." - Brooklynese version of "Computer Love" ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Olympic Cancellation Date: 01 Jul 1997 11:48:41 -0700 -(Nexus says)- > And if acting honestly equals being childish, then I guess I'll go out > and get drunk...No future. > > Nexus -(ROBOT says)- I fully understand. Have a drink for me, too! Granted, a lot of good honest folks will be missing out because of those who sent empty envelopes, but, you must do what you must do. I am copy/pasting this proposal I received from Tiger Moses. He is now left without a copy for himself- and I am willing to lend him my copy so he can burn a duplicate for himself, and perhaps also for Scott Barnhill and a few others. -(although I certainly wouldn't blame him for being paranoid- these are GOOD HONEST People!)- If you wish, and if you have not yet mailed my copy to me, please pass it to Tiger first so he can copy it and pass it to me. Otherwise, if it's already on it's way, or you don't want to risk it, I'll WERK it out with Tiger privately. Whatever you think is best. -(Tiger's message)- Hey, if you get one of the Olympic CD, I'd love to copy it. As you may remember I was volunteering to help, becuase I had a CD burner, and I didn't get my package of before all this got canned. I'd really like to make a copy and I think he mentioned in the post that he was going to still take care of you. As for the suggestion that Nexus publish the guilty names to the List- well, Lazlo likes the idea, but, Ra makes a good point that it could start another Flame War. So, how'bout a compromise? Send the names directly to Lazlo in private Email and let him decide who should or hould not leave the Mail List. Fair enough? Another good point was raised: if us "good guys" leave, that only leaves the "bad guys". -(cue Vom Himmel Hoch at 140db)- ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) CD Cancellation Date: 01 Jul 1997 14:59:42 -0400 >As list admin I think this would be an *excellent* idea. thank you Lazlo, Ihave plans for the future, including a Cd, and it would= be nice to know who I can trust with this. however, due to the nature of this escapade, nexus won't have a complete list, as he sent many back without opening them. :-( Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Olympic Cancellation Date: 01 Jul 1997 14:59:35 -0400 >Let me get this straight -- you would burn the CD, *then* open >the envelope to find no money? I dont want to sound heartless, >but, if you're going to make a product available, why not wait >until you have the cash first, *then* make the CD. = Bruce, You've not really grasped this concept have you? = People were also supposed to send a blank CD. So the burning was goig to = be done 'as and when' it was received in the majority of cases. when Nexus found a package which clearly didn't contain a CD, rightly, he should hav= e returned it unopened! Whether he had the cash first or not, he was MAKING THE CD's TO ORDER!!! sheesh...... Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Laurent Reymond" Subject: (kw) My method Date: 01 Jul 1997 18:59:08 UT Hello, I am following the Nexus story. As you know, I am sending pictures to some of you. I had a bad surprise in another mailing list.So now, my method is: "Pay first". I know, I could be qualified as a suspicious guy but trust has nothing to do with monney, whatever the amount. My method works. The only risk is that I could keep the money but in this case I would have lots of ennemis with common reasons to find me. For Nexus, it is the contrary .He's the only victim. These guys count on the fact that he's not going to care about each of them. It's not worth it. Peace.... Laurent. Reymond_Laurent@msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Move on. Date: 01 Jul 1997 20:31:59 +0000 I tend to read these digests in quite a hurry, so maybe I've misunderstood the story a bit here. But my understanding is that Nexus was understandably annoyed with people not sending money with their order, and hit the whole project on the head. Fair enough; personally I wouldn't even have bothered returning anything till the money was coughed up! I can understand his annoyance at being mucked about, and for those who lost out on his kind offer. If anyone's moved to unsubscribing however, I personally think they're getting a bit carried away. IMAO the only thing we *definitely* all have in common here is an interest in the German band Kraftwerk. Maybe I'm a cynic, but as a longtime member of this list I've never confused it with the communities, friends etc. one gets in real-life. It has qualities of its own, thanks to the regular input of information from many whose names I do not need to mention. >| > So my question is: would it be an indecent proposal to ask Nexus to >publish >| > the names of those betraying punces just here in this list? >| >| As list admin I think this would be an *excellent* idea. Not here though, please, eh? Bung it on a website or something, if it's really necessary (the list admin wants a flamebait list relating to a bootleg on his list?! Come on Laz, you're slipping! ;-) ). >| Take a look at the Musicomix insert of your 'Ralf & Florian' album, I don't think many of us have it. :-/ Hard to believe there's not a copy on the Web somewhere! Any volunteers...? >| Subject: (kw) Faces to names!! >| >| Hello all UK-based list members. The idea of a get-together has not died a >| death. [...] >| what about othet UK-based folk like, Neil L., Jon A., P.Barnes, K. >Busby, and >| all the others both talkative and anonymous. Thanks very much for the invitation. Unfortunately I'm always ludicrously busy (I spend all my time in ze studio, cycling und eating ice cream :-D ). But I hope it all goes well. Let us know! Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nexus Subject: Re: (kw) Olympic Cancellation Date: 01 Jul 1997 12:31:30 -0700 (PDT) ROBOT wrote: > another Flame War. So, how'bout a compromise? Send the names directly to > Lazlo in private Email and let him decide who should or hould not leave the > Mail List. Fair enough? Another good point was raised: if us "good That's what I proposed to Lazlo... I won't publish that list myself, that's for sure. I know most of you do, but please realize that I am *extremely* uncomfortable with all this. As I've said to some of you, there are two points I feel will start a flame war: 1- Until I'm proven wrong, I tend to say, courteously, that I didn't find postage money in some packages. That's not to say that inevitably, the original sender didn't put it in it. That may seem naive, but I won't accuse someone of theft/treachery lightly. 2- Among the doubtful packages, there are some that came from, shall we say, "regarded" members of this list... Thus, this is where it will get really nasty. My word against their, etc, etc... I sure don't want to add pain to injury. I have enough trouble as it is. I'm not calling for a poll, but I indeed think it is up to Lazlo to have the last word on this. Nexus _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Olympic Cancellation Date: 01 Jul 1997 15:38:18 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, ROBOT wrote: > another Flame War. So, how'bout a compromise? Send the names directly to > Lazlo in private Email and let him decide who should or hould not leave the > Mail List. That sounds good to me. Remember, mailing lists are not democratic unless their owners want them to be. What Lazlo says, is. /*--------------------------------------+---------------------------------* | Soleil "Ra" Lapierre | Contents 57.6% nerd, 85% pure. | | lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | Myers-Briggs product type INXJ | | http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs | Celia Green is right! | *--------------------------------------+---------------------------------*/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Olympic cancellation Date: 02 Jul 1997 00:07:11 +0200 >_Don't_ flood my mailbox, that's definitive and irreversible. ok, I'm not one that likes to force someone else to change his mind, but I would like to know what happened and what hould I do now with the french francs and the blank cds that a friend of mine was going to bring to Paris on july 8. it seem also that I'm one of the few unfortunate that happen to work in the same workhours of the post offices. I take a train at 8 AM to go to work in a place in the middle of nowhere, and come back to Rome railway station at 6.30 PM, no open post offices, and then I still have other jobs to do to make a living. I have to wait for saturday morning to shop for technical things, to go to the post, to go to the laundry, to buy food. sometimes I am even too tired/have no time to read email. are you all still feed by your relatives, or do you live in a real world? It seem to me that just a few days are gone from the generous offer for these cd, so what is gone wrong? I can understand if someone say "send me the cds, and I'll send you the money", but if it was going to work as I understood (send me the blanks and pp, and I'll make you the cd). just a little patience, or not? if someone don't perform his duty, we have an almost free way to remember him what to do, that is email. while he is insolvent, just stop making his goods. anyway: I would be very glad to have the cd, but I'm not one going to beg for anything. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) metal box? Date: 02 Jul 1997 00:07:18 +0200 recently I have seen listed on the online catalog (sp?) of an on-line italian record seller (sorry I have not the exact address, but if you are interested go to www.iol.it, then search for something called "Cybermercato", then I am sure you will manage your way) a kraftwerk album called "Metal Box". there were no label indications and the price was relatively low, 28.000 liras, that's about 28 DM, 11 =A3, 15$. I searched it in the Infobahr discography, but did not find it. do you know more? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Olympic Cancellation Date: 02 Jul 1997 00:07:21 +0200 >1- Until I'm proven wrong, I tend to say, courteously, that I didn't >find postage money in some packages. That's not to say that >inevitably, the original sender didn't put it in it. That may seem >naive, but I won't accuse someone of theft/treachery lightly. the offer was indeed generous: just send the cash for postage. that mean pennies for the most of us. I am sure that, just for hypotesis, someone collected all the requested postage money, he would not become so much richer than before to justify all this mess (and we have witnesses of the good quality of the cds). so Nexus could be believed if he say the money was lacking. then again, for the same reason, if someone say he actually send the cash, I believe him too. who will tell lies for the cost of a blank cd and few stamps? in Italy people is not used to subscribe to magazines because the postmen will keep the magazines for them and save the money to buy them at newsstands. think what could happen if someone notice that there is money or valuable goods in a parcel, unless is registered with a costly and complicated procedure, or is adequately disguised. so, if the sender swear he send the money and the receiver swear he did not find it, I believe the money disappeared in the middle, expecially if the envelopes look worn. in this case, as I said, it was pennies. Nexus is not responsible, and we (as senders) have to take the risk that this things could happen. just send him the money again, the cd will be very cheap all the same. the third case is that somebody just forget to put the money inside or misunderstood the terms. I really can't believe people acting in bad faith for this amount of money! c'mon, don't get nervous after just some days, and start it over. every "commercial" experience is never all-bad, we have just to learn not to trust post services too much, and organize ourselves (Nexus, the good-faith people which money was grabbed away from someone else, the ones like me that don't already have the cd, etc.) in more slow but more reliable (not for our faults) ways. e-mail is fast and almost free, so reconnect ourselves and stay friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oli Subject: (kw) Boot Cancellation Date: 02 Jul 1997 00:11:23 +0200 I can't believe what's going on with the bootleg-CD from Nexus. Is it such a big expense to include some $5, 10DM, 25FF or whatever into an envelope with a blank CD-R?? I'm sure this was the last time that anybody made such an offer to the members of the list. Bad for all the guys who enclosed the money. Thanx to all who did not put any money in their enveloves!!!! Think about what you initiate! What would you do if you would have to pay the posting for about 30 CD's! 30x8,-DM --> 240,-DM, not bad! Regards, Oli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Olympic Cancellation Date: 01 Jul 1997 20:08:18 -0400 >> another Flame War. So, how'bout a compromise? Send the names directly to >> Lazlo in private Email and let him decide who should or hould not leave the >> Mail List. >That sounds good to me. >Remember, mailing lists are not democratic unless their owners want them >to be. What Lazlo says, is. While on the one hand I definitely find what's been going on with this Nexus bootleg fiasco to be an absolute shame indeed, it's also possible to go too far by extending hostilities to people's mailing list privileges. Even if we were able to discern (at least to some degree) which individuals may not be trustworthy based on this instance regarding Nexus' bootleg, that still should not violate those individuals' rights to be subscribed to any mailing list on those grounds alone. The fact of the matter is that there is no possible way to accurately be able to tell which instances of lack of payment were those of accident, forgetfulness, miscommunication, or perhaps outright carelessness, so pointing fingers and violating mailing list privileges may not be a viable solution. I for one would be quite angered if I were told that my $10 was not in the envelope when received and opened, so I think it pays to look beyond finger-pointing in a situation that does not necessarily justify it. Just a matter of keeping things in perspective, I think. Oh well, my two cents. I hope everyone continues to get along and communicate out here to some degree, otherwise the point of a mailing list becomes futile. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Sie ist ein Modell und sie sieht gut aus..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) You F*#@ing Tw*ts Date: 01 Jul 1997 20:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Hmm. I'm not one of the folks who ordered the CD - but I did send money to a list member for videos a year and a half ago and have only heard from him when I bring his name up. Dave Rout - if you're out there - I'd like the videos or the money back. Thanks. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nexus Subject: Re: (kw) Olympic cancellatio Date: 01 Jul 1997 17:33:02 -0700 (PDT) >ok, I'm not one that likes to force someone else to change his mind, >but I >would like to know what happened and what hould I do now with the >french Read the digests. >are you all still feed by your relatives, or do you live in a real >world? Pardon me? That's equally the kind of crap I'm not ready to take from anyone, here or in the "real world". This kind of idiotic comments will have one result, shall they continue: I won't have the courtesy to provide explanations regarding what I do or decide about this whole thing, unhappy bunch or not. Those of you (happily a small minority so far) who are a bit easy on the critic bear one thing in mind: Nothing forced me to propose this in the first place. I have *every right* to cancel it for every reason I feel is good, and in case you didn't remark it, the situation is a bit more complicated that "what will I do when my buddy will be in Paris?". >It seem to me that just a few days are gone from the generous offer for >these cd, so what is gone wrong? Before making sarcastic comments, bring yourself up to date with situations where obviously you have missed most of it. >if someone >don't perform his duty, we have an almost free way to remember him what >to >do, that is email. while he is insolvent, just stop making his goods. If you were less partial in your reading of this list, you'd know I warned once that if things went on that way, I'll do what I'm doing now. >anyway: I would be very glad to have the cd, but I'm not one going to >beg >for anything. Nobody asks you to. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) My Two Cents Date: 01 Jul 1997 22:00:49 -0600 (MDT) Here's my current take on the situation. Please understand going into this that none of this is meant as a personal jab at anyone, I'm just letting you all know how I feel about it -- and I'm saying this as an individual, not as the Big Mean List Admin. I think we can take it as a given that this situation is a real mess. Having said that, I also think that both sides of this deal need to accept some of the responsibility for that fact. If there are, in fact, people who didn't send postage money with their CD-Rs, then they owe Nexus an apology -- and an apology to the list for causing the deal to collapse wouldn't hurt either. I'd be curious to see how many people would own up -- and how many people actually *realize* that their money didn't arrive with their package. On the other hand, while I can understand his frustration at things not going exactly as planned, I don't think it was fair of Nexus to take out that frustration on the people who acted in good faith and sent off their CD-Rs and postage money as requested. There are better ways to handle situations like this than to treat everyone like they *are* dishonest just because it seems that a few people *might* have been. If it seemed that people were not including money as promised, it would have been reasonable to hold onto their CDs until they lived up to their end of the bargain; if it seemed that peoples' money was disappearing in the mail I think we as a list could have figured out some way to replace that money for Nexus's sake so everyone involved got their discs and we could all have taken it as a lesson learned in how (or why not) to ship cash overseas. I don't see where either approach would have led to Nexus's honesty being questioned. I'm not saying this to be self-serving; I didn't send off for a disc so I'm not out anything in the deal. I can also understand Nexus's frustration, having been in similar situations in the past. I just think there were more elegant ways out of this situation than the one he chose is all, and I hope that if anything like this happens on the list again (god forbid) we'll be given a chance to work it out before someone throws the big OFF switch. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Move on. Date: 02 Jul 1997 04:18:33 -0400 Message text written by Kevin Busby >Thanks very much for the invitation. Unfortunately I'm always ludicrousl= y busy (I spend all my time in ze studio, cycling und eating ice cream :-D = ). But I hope it all goes well. Let us know!< hehe. but surely Kevin, you may be able to make a meeting once every 5 years or= so? hehe, Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Olympic cancellation Date: 02 Jul 1997 04:27:21 -0400 Message text written by lbo >are you all still feed by your relatives, or do you live in a real world= ? = < hahaha..... I live on a park bench in Wimbledon Common, now THAT's hard living.......= =2E :-( Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Olympic Cancellation Date: 02 Jul 1997 04:25:26 -0400 Message text written by Peter >The majority (I belive) of the list members aren't interested in this CD-R thing.< no peter, this thing threatens the list for a simple reason. You don't kn= ow who you can trust here. The subject goes much further that the stupid CD-= R, its about decency! Secondly, I think you'll find that there was a lot of people involved, possibly the majority...... Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Olympic Cancellation Date: 02 Jul 1997 04:29:31 -0400 Message text written by lbo >who will tell lies for the cost of a blank cd and few stamps?< DOH! Most people would if it meant a free CD!! It's human nature....... Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daneel Olivaw Subject: (kw) NYC music Date: 02 Jul 1997 15:36:40 +0600 Does anyone know of any good record stores in new york city? I'm gonna be there during the 12th to 18th and wanna get some good music I couldn't find here in bfe. Thanks, Emmett # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Bleedin' Typical! Date: 02 Jul 1997 05:47:02 -0400 I don't know! I'm off abroad tomorrow, and this list is getting more fired up by the hour! That's it then, I'm booking out a laptop and mobile from my company= =2E I gotta keep up with this lot!!! See Y'all soon, Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DHOLTON@derwent.co.uk Subject: (kw) Olympic Date: 02 Jul 1997 11:34:01 +0100 Sorry I am getting a tad bored with all this soapbox,American movie style moralising and wailing and gnashing of teeth.I have sent you a blank CD with 25 FFr enclosed and I hope to get one of your excellent compilations having said that what you should do is any mail without the requisite money/CD enclosed should be THROWN IN THE FUCKING BIN and have done with.Simple really.No need for idealism or histrionics.The world is chocca block with arseholes FACT. Also I suggested to a few English List members that we should meet up at Gay Pride this Saturday.The response was either not forthcoming or distinctly anti gay.If anyone is interested it is without doubt the best day out of the year in London.Watching the Shamen play to 250,000 punters is well worth the shoe leather alone. Also at Victoria park next Saturday (12th July) Dreadzone play (amongst others) and that's free as well! Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Par." Subject: (kw) Bootleg CD: stop please! Date: 02 Jul 1997 14:42:29 +1400 Hi all, I am getting tired of these messages on the Bootleg CD. There is not much interesting things on KW on this ML for two weeks. I find this Bootleg story just ridiculous. If Nexus or anyone else have personal problems with members of this list, just contact people individually by E-mail. I am currentely on vacation and I must make long distance calls to pick up my mail so I won't stay on this list much longer if things don't change quickly. I believe that most of us are on this ML to exchange informations on the best German electronic pop group, not to have our mailbox full of personal flames. By the way, I didn't ordered the CD and I'm against the idea of Bootleg CDs. Net-Tamer V 1.09 Beta - Test Drive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Digital recordings Date: 02 Jul 1997 01:10:25 EDT Why is it that KW hasn't employed digital recording techniques? I don't know about you, but IMHO, I feel that digital recording sounds billions of times better than analog recording. I find it rather strange that EC was recorded in analog, and says so in rather verbose language on the WB (USA) version. When the music was so ahead of its time, don't you think that the recording technology used should have been state-of-the-art too? This message comes to you through that evil program called Win-Doze 95--the machine was converted last week. I WANT A MAC!!!! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Bootleg CD: stop please! Date: 02 Jul 1997 09:18:07 -0400 Message text written by "Par." >I am currentely on vacation and I must make long distance calls to = pick up my mail so I won't stay on this list much longer if things = don't change quickly.< The reason it's being conducted on the list, Par, is because if in future= we want to make other exclusive offers available to list members, it woul= d be nice to know that you can trust people, agreed? The offer was announce= d publically, so why not keep the list members informed of the progress? I agree though, it's gone on long eneough now. I hope those responsible have taken due note....... Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nexus Subject: (kw) End of story Date: 02 Jul 1997 06:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Hi, Enough is enough. I've had it. That there was some unfortunate situation regarding this CD stuff is one thing, but now some are beginning to flame me for proposing the thing altogether. So: 1- As many of you have expressed their discontent to me, I'll treat the packages that include what I asked for. The others I will not even acknowledge, by e-mail or otherwise. 2- As it's getting on everybody's nerves, and particularly on mine, I'll unsubscribe right after this message, for quite a while. People I have good vibes with know who they are, and they should feel free to contact me for the various things we are planning together. It was at the time the proposal was made that the flamers should have woken up. It's a bit too late now. Always easy to bark when things are engaged... So long. Nexus _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings Date: 02 Jul 1997 15:05:03 +0000 Hi there, What,.... you prefer Mac's to IBM Windows 95 based PC's! Are you mad or just American?! I have recently scrapped a couple of Mac's within my office for Windows based PC's, the result has been better efficiency, hence more productivity. IMHO, PC's are far better. Regarding digital better than analogue, an interesting subject as I am a great vinyl lover and prefer this format over CD any day. I find there is a great deal more warmth and feeling in analogue recordings, plus the whole romance of taking the vinyl out of the sleeve and carefully placing the arm of the turntable............hmmm, lovely. You have to remember that these are two entirely different recording formats, so you are never going to have a like-for-like comparison, like I said, it's personal taste which decides. Probably why KW are using analogue, it's their preference. I would recommend to anyone, if you want to hear things in your KW tracks you may never have heard before, find your nearest Audiophile outlet (that's hi-end hi-fi), and check out turntables by Michell (the Gyro Deck), Pink Triangle, or Pierre Lunaire (the Romance), get these set up in a good two box minimum amplification system with speakers in the calibre of the Impulse H2, Kef 104 Reference or Proac Studio Towers (all about two/three thousand pounds), then tell me you do not see what analogue can do. Oh, I know what you are going to say next, what if I replace the turntable for a CD?, Do it, try some of the Micromega's or other two box configurations around, I still prefer the vinyl. I will be trying to get hold of the Man Machine double , dare I say it, CD this week, does anyone else have it yet? Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings Date: 02 Jul 1997 09:28:03 -0500 Craig Land wrote: > > Hi there, > > What,.... you prefer Mac's to IBM Windows 95 based PC's! Are you mad > or just American?! > > I have recently scrapped a couple of Mac's within my office for > Windows based PC's, the result has been better efficiency, hence more > productivity. IMHO, PC's are far better. > Oh gads, no not this discussion... On my desk at work I've got a P166, a Mac 7600, and an HP 712. I wouldn't need them all if one was clearly superior at everything. But one isn't, so I use 'em all. > Regarding digital better than analogue, an interesting subject as I > am a great vinyl lover and prefer this format over CD any day. I > find there is a great deal more warmth and feeling in analogue > recordings, My argument on the vinyl/digital debate: Vinyl sounds warm because a lot of compression is used to make soft stuff show up in vinyl (fractal records are not quite available yet). digital formats don't sound warm because they don't have the compression. But many of them could use it. >plus the whole romance of taking the vinyl out of the > sleeve and carefully placing the arm of the > turntable............hmmm, lovely. Gotta love that. I like CDs merely because I'm less likely to warp or break them. :) I'm betting EC was analog because in 1986, while CD was a standard, most digital recording setups weren't all that great. Cold ADCs, not-exactly perfected mastering methods...these days it almost doesn't matter any more because analog machines have gotten really clean and distortion free, and digital decks are much more responsive. I used to be able to tell the difference, I can't anymore. -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= By pressing down this special key, it plays a little melody # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael.taylor2@virgin.net Subject: (kw) New member intro. Date: 02 Jul 1997 15:15:07 -0700 Hi all you Kraftwerk fans, My name is Mike Taylor and I have been a fan of Kraftwerk since 1977 when I bought the German version of Trans Europe Express(with free poster which I still have) Since then I have been mad on Kraftwerk and used to have Showroom Dummies printed on the windscreen of my car.(remember people used to put their names on and that of their girlfriend). I have 5 of their LPs on vinyl and a limited edition 12" of Showroom Dummies plus 6 LPs on CD. I have seen them live once at Glasgows Barrowland Ballroom on Thursday the 11th of July 1996. I have joined this list to find out more about Kraftwerk and to obtain other recordings and memorabilia if possible. I look forward to speaking to you all again and maybe even meeting some of you. I live in Dunblane, Central Scotland. MIKE. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings Date: 02 Jul 1997 10:43:02 -0400 Sorry Folks, but this all has an awful lot to do with Kraftwerk. Could = anybody pls explain it to me, am I missing something, or is the most of = whats goin on, on the list, totally off topic at the moment. If anybody = is interested in, I own a US Robotics Pilot professional. Why not discuss= = that on the list... OK, we all made our point on the olympic stuff, enough is enough. Pls = don't start the same with PCs.... No, I don't want to have the leading last word on all that, but pls i = like Kraftwerk, I subscibed to the list because of Kraftwerk and all I = want to read on that list should be about Kraftwerk. Sorry for beeing that sarcastic, but I`d like to hear something about = Kraftwerk. Thats why we're all here. To me it means shit if someone owns = a mac, or a pc, even an old atari will do (btw. I have a apple II in the = closet, maybe I should subscribe with this one ;-). Stop all of this pls.= = and flame me to death if you have another opinion. The trash is near... regards Oliver >Craig Land wrote: >> = >> Hi there, >> = >> What,.... you prefer Mac's to IBM Windows 95 based PC's! Are you mad >> or just American?! >> = >> I have recently scrapped a couple of Mac's within my office for >> Windows based PC's, the result has been better efficiency, hence more >> productivity. IMHO, PC's are far better. >> = >Oh gads, no not this discussion... > >On my desk at work I've got a P166, a Mac 7600, and an HP 712. I >wouldn't need them all if one was clearly superior at everything. But >one isn't, so I use 'em all. > >> Regarding digital better than analogue, an interesting subject as I >> am a great vinyl lover and prefer this format over CD any day. I >> find there is a great deal more warmth and feeling in analogue >> recordings, = > >My argument on the vinyl/digital debate: Vinyl sounds warm because a lot= >of compression is used to make soft stuff show up in vinyl (fractal >records are not quite available yet). digital formats don't sound warm >because they don't have the compression. But many of them could use >it. = > >>plus the whole romance of taking the vinyl out of the >> sleeve and carefully placing the arm of the >> turntable............hmmm, lovely. = > >Gotta love that. > >I like CDs merely because I'm less likely to warp or break them. :) > > >I'm betting EC was analog because in 1986, while CD was a standard, most= >digital recording setups weren't all that great. Cold ADCs, not-exactly= >perfected mastering methods...these days it almost doesn't matter any >more because analog machines have gotten really clean and distortion >free, and digital decks are much more responsive. I used to be able to >tell the difference, I can't anymore. > >-- = = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) New member intro. Date: 02 Jul 1997 10:56:25 -0400 Message text written by INTERNET:michael.taylor2@virgin.net >I have seen them live once at Glasgows Barrowland Ballroom on Thursday = the 11th of July 1996< 1996? uh? jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings Date: 02 Jul 1997 11:04:01 -0400 Message text written by Oliver Kess >Could = anybody pls explain it to me, am I missing something, or is the most of = whats goin on, on the list, totally off topic at the moment< hehe. eh? I thought this was the olympic/flamer/analogue/digital/basically/anything/but/kraftwerk mailing list....... DOH! I'll have to un-subscribe!!! *snicker* :-))) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 17:29:40 +0200 From: Peter Subject: Re: (kw) FM article online Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > The Kraftwerk article from Future Music is now online at > http://www.futurenet.com/musiciansnet/Hitech/People/Kraftwerk/kraftwerk.html > I'm glad that someone still cares about Kraftwerk. It seems that most of the material for this interview comes from Marc Sinker who made an article for Music Technology in '91. This Marc Sinker interview can be found in the book "History of House" ISBN 1-86074-134-7 and it cost around 15 USD. The book was released in '96 and is an interesting compilation if you like that kind of music. It's a "must have" for all Roland TB-303/808/909 freaks. Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Years '68 - '73 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk at Last!!!!! Date: 02 Jul 1997 16:57:14 +0000 Yes, here it is, rather than get stirred up by the replies on the non-existance of KW material on this list (all that talk on PC's etc.) which members have sent me, I thought that I will say something on Kraftwerk, well some-one has to, I don't see many more items on this list from those Flamers about KW. (Don't get stirred up.........1, 2, 3, 4.....) I have the SGR CD Kraftwerk live 1975, I understand that there is another Live in Cologne CD but this time from 1971, I think. Is this correct, if so what is the track listing? Many thanks, Craig. kraftwerk.kraftwerk.kraftwerl.kraftwerk.is.the.best.honestly.mate.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philipp_Schmidt@bmge.com Subject: (kw) NYC Record Stores Date: 02 Jul 1997 13:01:45 -0400 >Does anyone know of any good record stores in new york city? I'm gonna be >there during the 12th to 18th and wanna get some good music I couldn't find >here in bfe. > >Thanks, > >Emmett My favourite "store" is on the sidewalk of Ave A, between 5th and 6th (in front of Kims Video), also nice is Finyl Vinyl but Im not sure where exactly it is (something like 9th or 10th Str between 1st and 2nd Ave ???? - there is definitely someone on this list, who knows !!!) If you are looking for Drum&Bass, Electronica (hate the term) or Jungle - Breakbeat Science on 9th Street, between 1st and 2nd Ave is the best place House Music: I'm not an expert, but Dancetrax on 3rd Street and 1stAve seems to be pretty good rock steady, Philipp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Beam me up Date: 02 Jul 1997 20:12:35 +0200 (DFT) The July issue of the German freebie music magazine "Beam me up" contains a review of the Tribal Gathering festival, including a small photo of Kraftwerk performing "The Man Machine" and a large photo of the new "www.kraftwerk.com" merchandise cycling shirt. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: (kw) To avoid mazz confuzion Date: 02 Jul 1997 20:30:48 +0200 Hi folx.. My name is Martin,.. And my handle is RoBot.. I've used it some years now, but as I'm now returning to the KW-List I found that there is 2 of us. Therefore I choose to use the handle RoBoten for this list (to avoid mazz confuzion).. Roboten is Swedish for "The Robot", if someone might wonder. (I used the name Bishop some years ago on the list) If you like, you can check my Kraftwerk Page at http://www.abc.se/~m9736/kraftwerk Feel free to send me your own material to put up on the pages! //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Las Modelos. Date: 02 Jul 1997 15:20:15 -0400 Hi folks. I was just looking thru the KW discography and I noticed a Spanish 7" single for "The Model" released in Spain in 1981. What I find interesting about this single is that the track on side A is listed as "Las Modelos". Wouldn't this accurately translate into English as "The Models" in the plural tense? That would alter the song's meaning a bit. I'm curious to know if anyone owns this single and can let us know if the lyrics are sung in Spanish or not. If so, I'd love to get a copy of those Spanish lyrics so we can see their precise English equivalent. I've always loved to compare the accurate translations of the English vs. German lyric versions, so I just thought it'd be interesting to do the same with Spanish. All those years of regent Spanish in high school has to pay off somewhere! :-) Different languages can often take on variations in meaning systems, so it can be rather intriguing to see how it all takes shape sometimes. Just for the record, this 7" single is backed with "Amor de Computadora" (Computer Love) as its B-side, and its catalog number is listed as EMI 10C 006-064509. -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk pronunciation Date: 02 Jul 1997 21:35:13 -0700 hi, Spotnik wrote to the list: > I was "bawn" in Brooklyn and can't get rid of the accent--when I > pronounce "Kraftwerk," it sure doesn't sound like the proper German > pronunciation, try as I might...! why don't you guys just say K-R-A-F-T-W-E-R-K, as every german (exept bavarians who sound very brooklynesque) ;-)) (sorry oliver, konnte ich mir nicht verkneifen :-)) anyone interested in a 3-d graphic adventure "how to burst a mailing list?"(on cd, of course) ;-)) just a shy attempt to bring the humour back to the list. don't blame/flame me, please regards (to everyone with a smile) werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: Re: (kw) Las Modelos. Date: 02 Jul 1997 21:50:15 +0200 Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > > Hi folks. I was just looking thru the KW discography and I noticed > a Spanish 7" single for "The Model" released in Spain in 1981. What I find > interesting about this single is that the track on side A is listed as "Las > Modelos". Wouldn't this accurately translate into English as "The Models" > in the plural tense? I suppose so. I don't have this 7" (EMI 10C 006-064509), but I do have the 7" EMI 10C 006-085965. This is titled "La Modelo" which sounds more accurate to me. Flipside: Metropolis. All > those years of regent Spanish in high school has to pay off somewhere! :-) I'm sorry, but you wasted your time at those classes ;-). My "La Modelo"-single is the ordinary english version. It seem to be common to translate titles on the Spanish sleeves. I think there is a Spanish 7" of Spacelab called "Laboratoria El Spacial" or something like that (pardon my Spanish). Perhaps some of the Spanish listmembers can help us explain this. Regards /Conny . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) To avoid mazz confuzion Date: 02 Jul 1997 16:09:52 -0400 >Roboten is Swedish for "The Robot", if someone might wonder. hehe. Yeah, you were lucky! ROBOT was talkin' to her lawyers...... Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ferm=EDn_Goiriz?=" Subject: RE: (kw) Las Modelos. Date: 02 Jul 1997 22:26:51 +0200 > I'm sorry, but you wasted your time at those classes ;-). My "La > Modelo"-single is the ordinary english version. It seem to be common to > translate titles on the Spanish sleeves. Yes; well specially a few (well, not so few) years ago it was usual to translate the titles of the records. Don't ask me why- I don't have a clue. > I think there is a Spanish 7" > of Spacelab called "Laboratoria El Spacial" or something like that > (pardon my Spanish). Perhaps some of the Spanish listmembers can help us > explain this. It could be "Laboratorio espacial" cos this is the correct Spanish translation for "Spacelab." -Fermin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Elektric lyrics Date: 02 Jul 1997 22:35:12 +0100 Where can I find the complete lyrics of the Esperanto album by Elektric Music ? cheers, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: RE: (kw) Las Modelos. Date: 02 Jul 1997 22:59:19 +0200 Hi friends, In 70=B4s in Spain was very frequently translating the titles of songs.=20 I have the original "THE MAN MACHINE" 1978 spanish edition...=20 and The list tracks is: 1. THE ROBOTS "Los robots" 2. SPACELAB "Laboratio espacial" 3. METROPOLIS "Metropolis" 4. THE MODEL "Las modelos" 5. NEON LIGHTS "Luces de neon" 6. THE MAN MACHINE "El hombre-maquina" But these songs are in english. The one KRAFTWERK original song that I=B4ve heard in spanish is SEX OBJECT "Objeto sexual"... but exist a versi=F3n of THE MODEL sung in spanish by techno-pop? group=20 LOS NINOS DEL BRASIL (release in 1991 I belive) It=B4s not very good,=20 but it=B4s a curiosity heard a classical spanish guitar playing THE MODEL melody in de middle of the song (I like this). I=B4m going to make a MP3 with this song for you... next I=B4ll post the = site. Regards. Rafa from Spain. deckard@arrakis.es http://www.arrakis.es/~deckard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Digital Recordings #2 Date: 02 Jul 1997 11:15:29 EDT >>> My argument on the vinyl/digital debate: Vinyl sounds warm because a lot of compression is used to make soft stuff show up in vinyl (fractal records are not quite available yet). digital formats don't sound warm because they don't have the compression. But many of them could use it. <<< I'm not talking about vinyl vs. CD--there are plenty of digitally recorded vinyl records--I'm talking about recording techniques. I think KW should've used such techniques for EC and "The Mix," naah mean? Think of it like this: have you heard the album "Don Dada" by Super Cat? The sound is incredibly rich and warm, and it's a full digital recording. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 23:27:37 +0200 From: Peter Subject: (kw) Kristallo song, RealAudio Hi I have struggled with RealAudio and have made a slightly shortened .RA sample of the song Kristallo from the 1973 "Ralf und Florian" album. The song is sampled at 44.1 kHz and 16 bits, encoded to a 28,8 bits/s stereo .ra file. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/kristallo.ra I would be happy if someone downloaded the clip and gave their opinion of the sound quality. If it's good, then I'll make a lot of .ra stuff for my homepage. Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Years '68 - '73 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880 (yes, I have now credited Bussy, but I haven't made the corrections) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Miguel Angel Esteban Subject: (kw) presentation Date: 02 Jul 1997 23:43:52 +0200 At 20:38 2/07/97 +0100, you wrote: Hi guys, My name is Miguel Angel and I've just joined this mailing list. As you can see in my signature, Kraftwerk are'nt my prefered group, but I love them A LOT. Specially "The Man Machine" is one of the bests albums ever for me. I also love Jean Michel Jarre and I apreciatte very much works as "Zoolook" or specially "Equinoxe". I'll love to subscribe also a Tangerine Dream LIst... Does someone knows about that? See you all. Miguel. PS: I promise to read all the messages :) wwWWww [o][o] ------------------------ooO--(__)--Ooo----------------------------------- Fairlight Jarre Newsletter. Fanzine by the Spanish J.M. Jarre Fanclub email : jestebanm.ccisa@nexo.es web : http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1176 Price per issue: 150 pesetas ========================================================================= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gcl@sojourn.com Subject: (kw) Concert Listings from October 1985 - April 1987 ?? Date: 02 Jul 1997 18:01:34 -0400 Hi. I am curious what concerts were played during the period of October 1985 through April 1987. I was living in Germany at the time. I have been listening to Kraftwerk since 1975 (music club cassettes hehehehe), and it just didn't occur to me to find a Kraftwerk concert then. I went to a lot of concerts when I was there. I was at Rock Am Ring in June of 1985, Monsters of Rock in Karlsruhe in August of 1984, and others... but I never saw Kraftwerk... This info would have been a great addition to Bussy's Kraftwerk book... thanks for the info. Gary ________________________________________________________________ gcl@mail.sojourn.com NeXTmail/LipService is prefered Founder: The NeXTstep for Intel Processors HomeBrew Mailing List _________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LM Subject: Re: (kw) Kristallo song, RealAudio Date: 02 Jul 1997 15:49:41 -0700 Peter wrote: > I have struggled with RealAudio and have made a slightly shortened .RA > sample of the song Kristallo from the 1973 "Ralf und Florian" album. > The song is sampled at 44.1 kHz and 16 bits, encoded to a 28,8 bits/s > stereo .ra file. > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/kristallo.ra It would help us a lot if you posted the url for the respective ".ram" files instead of the actual ".ra" soundfiles. That way we would not have to download the entire file before listening to it. |_ |\/| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael.taylor2@virgin.net Subject: (kw) new member intro error Date: 02 Jul 1997 21:28:17 -0700 Hi its Mike here again. I made an error in my intro stating I saw Kraftwerk in 1996 in Glasgow but it should have read 1991. Sorry for any confusion. Thanks to Craig and Robot for welcoming me to the list. I also have an LP by a band called La Dusseldorf from 1975 with Klaus Dinger, Thomas Dinger, Hans Lampe, Nikolas van Rhein and Harald Konietzko. Can anyone tell me th Kraftwerk conection? Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) To avoid mazz confuzion Date: 02 Jul 1997 19:39:32 -0700 > From: Julian Seifert > To: Kraftwerk Mailing List > Subject: (kw) To avoid mazz confuzion > Date: Wednesday, July 02, 1997 1:09 PM > > >Roboten is Swedish for "The Robot", if someone might wonder. > > hehe. > > Yeah, you were lucky! ROBOT was talkin' to her lawyers...... > > Jules NOT! -(like I can afFORD one?*snicker*)- I stumbled on RoBoten's page on the KW WebRing- y'all check it out- it's under construction, but, it's a real nice start- EXcellent Font! -("OCR"? I forget already what it's called. Like Pocket Calculator LCDs.)- Anyway, I invited him here, so, be NICE! :] ROBOWINKY -(Yes, I gave him fair warning about all this Flame Wars bullshit, so, caan we ALL say "CASE CLOSED" now? Thank you. Gott sei Dank!)- Yo- Kristallo/Spacelab, aka: Scott Barnhill- why ain'tcha gettin' my Email, Dude? It keeps bouncing. TALK to me! Oh, yeah- Speaking of various Language Lyrics: I can't tell any difference between Tour de France en Francais or Allemande. -("Allemande Left! HO-o-o!" -sorry, SquareDance reflex.*nYRk*.)- Yes, FolKs, I'm STILL trying to get a Silk-Screen frame, etc....*groan*.... So, WilKommen, RoBoten and EveryBuddy! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LM Subject: Re: (kw) Kristallo song, RealAudio Date: 02 Jul 1997 23:35:05 -0700 Peter wrote: > Well, it seems that I have a lot to learn. What's the difference > between .ra and .ram? .ra is the audio file itself, while the .ram is just a pointer or link to the actual .ra file. > I thought that you have to have access to some special server software > to make direct listening available. It used to be the case once upon a time, but it's not anymore. :-) > I'll check it out and see what I can do about it. You can get a lot of information about putting MIDI and Realaudio files on web pages at Zap's page: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~zap/ |_ |\/| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Digital Recordings #3 Date: 02 Jul 1997 21:52:07 EDT >>> Digital may be better for capturing things like classical music, where it's not the power of the rhythm section that makes the difference like in modern pop-oriented music. <<< I don't agree, but that's what makes horse races! I like my nice TR-808 bass digitally recorded myself (as in Miami bass). Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Au revoir y'all Date: 03 Jul 1997 04:28:32 -0400 Hi Workaholics, I'm off abroad this morning, so I may not be able to give my usual 'objective' opinions if I can't get a reliable connection in Bangkok, so I'll bid an temporary farewell my list buddies, and I'm talkin' bout: Scott, Statik, ROBOT/roboten/ROBOT/(Doh! I'm confused!), Fermin, Robk, Craig.L, Rich.P, Roland M, Dave H. Keep in touch chaps, my temp email is : pcstruct@tecnologist.com ciao, Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Godfrey Subject: (kw) Re: recent Kraftwerk Digest discussions Date: 03 Jul 1997 04:23:44 -0600 At 10:34 01/07/97 -0600, Kraftwerk Digest wrote: >Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:07:23 +0000 >From: "Craig Land" >I have just recently heard that Billy McKenzie (of the Associates) >was found dead. Apparently he had just lost his mother and couldn't >take it, therefore taking his own life. A very sad moment in music >history. > >A few moments silence please........................ Yes, it was very sad news indeed. A great loss to English music. There were quite a few nice spreads in the UK music press when this happened (about 4-5 months ago, I think) >Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:50:10 +0000 >From: "Craig Land" >I am also mailing the clubs in my area this week for quotes on the >use of their facilities for the Electronic Disco, I will keep you all >informed. I posted various replies a couple of weeks ago (17/6/97), but looking at my mail log it seems these weren't sent for some reason, so here they are again: Re: Link between Kraftwerk-meeting and Numan: I used to go to a club in Wembley, North london, called "The Flag", which was a nightclub / live music venue owned by Gary Numan - friends of mine held a clubnight there in the early 90's playing new romantic/electronic stuff (everything from Duran, Japan and OMD to Front 242 and Nitzer Ebb). If "The Flag" still exists, perhaps a London meeting could happen there? Re: Depeche Mode at Kraftwerk Brixton '91: Indeed, I also saw Andy Fletcher and Alan Wilder there - they stood just behind me, but that was early in the evening so they had plenty of time to get plastered. I saw Martin Gore at a club the week before, and he was really pi**ed off because the Brixton shows fell on the same night(s!) of a mega birthday bash he had organised. Re: Ultravox, John Foxx, Hard Corps: John Foxx certainly made some excellent records, I'd love to have seen the original Ultravox line-up - my fave LP of that period is "Systems of Romance". And Hard Corps! What a group! Their music is very similar to Kraftwerk in its structure, perhaps mixed with a bit of the group "Propaganda" (female voacals, only with French accent rather than German) - well worth checking out. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Musicomix Date: 03 Jul 1997 13:48:04 +0000 Julian Seifert has kindly scanned Emil Schult's Musicomix art, and this can now be seen at http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/musicomix/ I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been curious about this for a long time! Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn) Subject: Re: (kw) Musicomix Date: 03 Jul 1997 15:05:44 +0200 Kevin Busby wrote: > > Julian Seifert has kindly scanned Emil > Schult's > Musicomix art, and this can now be seen at > http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/musicomix/ > > I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been curious about this for a > long time! > Then I must have been lucky, since I got a small version of this Musicomix art sleves? (CD sized :D ) With the R&F CD I baught some weeks ago! //Robert -- - Robert Krenn http://www.daltekvision.se - - tel 1: +46 (0)243 87858 tel 2: +46 (0)243 73504 - - mob: +46 (0)70 5718622 fax: +46 (0)243 85402 - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kaoru Chida-BART Subject: (kw) EM Second Album Date: 03 Jul 1997 21:25:00 +0900 Guten Tag! Werkers, My friend -he is an editor of a music magazine- taught me the recent state of ELEKTRIC MUSIC. Karl Bartos has already finished recording for his second album. There will be 12 popsongs with his on lead vocals, guitars(!!!!!), synthesizers... Maybe it will be out in this autumn. # I'm really looking forward to the album!! :) Wiederhoelen! KaoRu #---Sorry,I don't write English well. I hope you can read it... *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Madame Curie / Frau Kaoru BARTOS *** *** from Tokio with love xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) My Two Cents Date: 02 Jul 1997 23:55:26 +0000 Lazlo Nibble was saying: >I'm not saying this to be self-serving; I didn't send off for a disc so I'm >not out anything in the deal. I can also understand Nexus's frustration, >having been in similar situations in the past. I just think there were more >elegant ways out of this situation than the one he chose is all, and I hope >that if anything like this happens on the list again (god forbid) we'll be >given a chance to work it out before someone throws the big OFF switch. Yea, I agree. Perhaps the next time folks will try to remember, though, that what they are receiving is a PRIVILEGE, not a right or service. -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ I think that all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not! But I'm sick and tired of being told that I am -- Monty Python # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) Another Kraftwerk(R) Date: 03 Jul 1997 15:45:41 +0200 Hi, Check this URL --> http://www.kraftwerk.ch Regards Rafa. deckard@arrakis.es http://www.arrakis.es/~deckard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:52:33 +-200 Date: 03 Jul 1997 07:54:08 -0600 Kevin Busby wrote: >=20 > Julian Seifert has kindly scanned Emil > Schult's > Musicomix art, and this can now be seen at > http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/musicomix/ >=20 > I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been curious about this for a > long time! >=20 Then I must have been lucky, since I got a small version of this Musicomix art sleves? (CD sized :D ) With the R&F CD I baught some weeks ago! Yes! Same here, suppose all Germanophone CD has the musicomix artwork. (Ralf und Florian that is) Or maybe it=B4s just here in Sweden :-) Uffe=20 _________________________________________________________________________= Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^= -^ ~~~~~~~~|Synthetic Electronic Sounds, Industrial Rhythms All = Around|~~~~~~~~ ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^= -^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:52:33 +-200 Date: 03 Jul 1997 10:24:29 -0400 >> Then I must have been lucky, since I got a small version of this >>Musicomix art sleves? (CD sized :D ) With the R&F CD I baught some weeks >>ago! >Yes, suppose all Germanophone CD has the musicomix artwork. >(Ralf und Florian that is) > >Or maybe it=B4s just here in Sweden :-) All Germanofon CD bootlegs of 'Ralf & Florian' (Germanofon 941023) do contain the musicomix insert. I guess because this bootleg is a German import, it's often hard to find in some areas, so there are people who haven't seen the comic yet. As far as I know, there is another bootleg of this album which does not contain the comic insert, as is also the case with some issues of the vinyl LP. In any case, the comic is a wonderfully Kraftwerk-esque piece of print, so thanks Jules for scanning it and sharing with those who hadn't seen it yet. -- Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Musicomix Date: 03 Jul 1997 15:17:12 +0000 robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn):- >Then I must have been lucky, since I got a small version of this >Musicomix art sleves? (CD sized :D ) With the R&F CD I baught some weeks >ago! OK, it's not a mega-rarity. But I didn't get a copy with my vinyl copy of R&F (bought back when copies were still in the shops!) and not everyone wants or has access to the bootlegs. The access stats will tell whether these scans are worthwhile doing, I suppose! (I'm certainly glad of them!). Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) EM Second Album Date: 03 Jul 1997 11:11:51 -0400 (EDT) In einer eMail vom 03.07.97 15:26:48 MEZ, schreibt VEE03563@niftyserve.or.jp (Kaoru Chida-BART): << My friend -he is an editor of a music magazine- taught me the recent state of ELEKTRIC MUSIC. Karl Bartos has already finished recording for his second album. There will be 12 popsongs with his on lead vocals, guitars(!!!!!), synthesizers... Maybe it will be out in this autumn. >> Yes, I heard / read this this, too: The next album seems to be out in september. (the perhaps-release-date of the also new Kraftwerk-album) # it's more fun to compute Carsten Bolte * Kiel * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tor Sigvardson Subject: (kw) Q: New material at Tribal Gathering?? Date: 03 Jul 1997 18:25:50 +0200 (MET DST) Hello I guess you've already discussed this but I'm new to this list so... Did Kraftwerk play any new material at Tribal Gathering? I've heard a lot of rumours but not from anyone who was actually there. Were anyone on this mailing list at the concert? In that case, did Kraftwerk play any new material and if so what did it sound like? I would really like to hear first hand information on this subject. // Tor.S # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) Q: New material at Tribal Gathering?? Date: 03 Jul 1997 18:37:42 +0200 At 18:25 1997-07-03 +0200, you wrote: >Did Kraftwerk play any new material at Tribal Gathering? Yes, one song.. Hard to tell how it sounded like.. I was too excited to think!.. But it sounded Kraftwerk >I've heard a lot of rumours but not from anyone who was actually >there. Were anyone on this mailing list at the concert? In that >case, did Kraftwerk play any new material and if so what did it >sound like? I was there.. The whole concert(?) can be found at the Infobahr as RA (28k8/ISDN) Check it out.. Too bad, it's not possible to run fast-forward when listening.. (My ver of RA couldnt (3.0)) >I would really like to hear first hand information on this subject. There you are! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) User In Trouble Date: 03 Jul 1997 17:24:07 +0000 Hi there everyone, Just a quick message from Richard Poolton, he is having serious problems with his server which will not be fixed until Monday 7 July. If you have been e:mailing him then please don't think he is ignoring you. Thanking you in advance for your patience. Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruce M. Lloyd" Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #99 Date: 03 Jul 1997 13:01:44 -0400 > bla bla bla... > >So: > >1- As many of you have expressed their discontent to me, I'll treat >the packages that include what I asked for. The others I will not even >acknowledge, by e-mail or otherwise. Finally showing some sense.. >2- As it's getting on everybody's nerves, and particularly on mine, >I'll unsubscribe right after this message, for quite a while. People I >have good vibes with know who they are, and they should feel free to >contact me for the various things we are planning together. Do I detect the smell of burning martyr? >It was at the time the proposal was made that the flamers should have >woken up. It's a bit too late now. Always easy to bark when things are >engaged... Hindsight is always better than foresight, I suppose. >So long. Off to conquor some French mail order conglomerate no doubt.. Bruce ---- Bruce M. Lloyd, bml@bgi.on.ca http://www.geocities.com/~brucelloyd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: Re: (kw) Kristallo song, RealAudio Date: 03 Jul 1997 19:49:38 +0200 Hello Peter, It sounds reasonable, alltough a bit flat but I guess that's because the compression. (To be honest, I prefer my CD which contains more crystals). BTW: Be aware of copyright stuff. BTW2: Did you send the message a month ago, or do you have some date problems? ---------- > From: Peter > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Kristallo song, RealAudio > Date: zondag 1 juni 1997 23:27 > > > Hi > > I have struggled with RealAudio and have made a slightly shortened .RA > sample of the song Kristallo from the 1973 "Ralf und Florian" album.... > [stuff deleted]. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed Date: 03 Jul 1997 20:46:50 +0200 (DFT) Kraftwerk's concert agency MCT has now confirmed that Kraftwerk will appear live in Karlsruhe on October 18th. According to MCT it will be Kraftwerk's only appearance in Germany this year. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Nellemann Subject: (kw) ra to wav converter Date: 03 Jul 1997 20:53:00 +0200 (MET DST) Hi I've downoloaded the Tribal gathering ra-file from the Infobahr, and I'll like tio convert it into a wav or just any other sound format - so I can burn my own CD from the concert, but I can't find a program that can convert .ra to .wav - soundforge 4.0b can convert .wav to .ra, but not the other way around - can anybody help :-) Thanks Lars -- ******************************************************************** * Lars Nellemann * I'm confused - Like a thirsty * * nelleman@biobase.dk * baby in a topless bar ! * * Royal Veterinary & Agricultural * * * University * * ******************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Subject: Re: (kw) Kristallo song, RealAudio Date: 02 Jul 1997 20:51:42 +0200 LM wrote: > You can get a lot of information about putting MIDI and Realaudio > files on web pages at Zap's page: > > http://www.lysator.liu.se/~zap/ > Thanks! great info at Zap's page, it wasn't that hard to make a .ram file. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/kristallo.ram 28,8 /streamline realaudio I hope it works, next .ram hmmm maybe Tongebirge or Ruckzuck. Yes I had a problem with my computers date, 2 June is now 2 July. Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Years '68 - '73 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claudio Falaschini Subject: RE: (kw) Las Modelos. Date: 03 Jul 1997 08:07:03 -0000 Hi=20 > In 70=B4s in Spain was very frequently translating the titles of = songs.=20 > I have the original "THE MAN MACHINE" 1978 spanish edition...=20 > and The list tracks is: Here in Argentina "The Man Machine" was released with the name "La = Maquina Humana", and the tracks THE ROBOTS =3D Los Robots=20 SPACELAB =3D Laboratorio Espacial METROPOLIS =3D Metropolis THE MODEL =3D La modelo =20 (Not "Las Modelos" in plural) NEON LIGHTS =3D Luces de neon THE MAN MACHINE =3D La maquina humana=20 See you =20 Claudio Falaschini from Argentina info@playagrande.com=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Humphrey" Subject: (kw) Father Ted Date: 03 Jul 1997 20:50:29 +0100 If you live in the UK check out Father Ted tonight (3rd July - C4 10pm). If I remember rightly this episode includes a little referece a certain Geman band.... Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) Las Modelos. Date: 03 Jul 1997 21:56:14 -0700 hi, Scott M. Barnhill wrote to the list: > Hi folks. I was just looking thru the KW discography and I noticed > a Spanish 7" single for "The Model" released in Spain in 1981. What I > find interesting about this single is that the track on side A is > listed as "Las Modelos". Wouldn't this accurately translate into > English as "The Models" in the plural tense? That would alter the > song's meaning a bit. I'm curious to know if anyone owns this single > and can let us know if the lyrics are sung in Spanish or not. If so, > I'd love to get a copy of those Spanish lyrics so we can see their > > precise English equivalent... > ...Just for the record, this 7" single is backed with "Amor de > Computadora" (Computer Love) as its B-side, and its catalog number is > listed as EMI 10C 006-064509. i have that 7". it's a-side is 'amor de computadora' (3:46), it's b-side 'las modelos' (3:38)(which was standard for the '81-edition of 'computerlove'). both songs are sung in english (standard uk-edit). the picturesleeve is different, it's the screen of the computer of the cw-album with the four yellow heads. the only spanish-sung kw-song i know is 'sex object' from the rare ec-album 'edicion espanola', emi 074-24 0688 1 (for details see aktivitaet no. 7) regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Subject: Re: (kw) Q: New material at Tribal Gathering?? Date: 02 Jul 1997 23:00:25 +0200 RoBoten wrote: > I was there.. The whole concert(?) can be found at the Infobahr as RA > (28k8/ISDN) > Check it out.. Try my .ram file if you want to listen to the RA file while it downloads from the Infobahr. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/tribal.ram Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Years '68 - '73 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk-Logos for Win95 Date: 03 Jul 1997 17:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Hello ! Everybody who owns a win95-PC can use my startup-/shutdown-logos (instead of the Windows95 - sky and "please turn off now"): http://members.aol.com/depechecbi/private/electric.htm (just 9 Kbytes to download) Carsten Bolte. Kiel. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: re: (kw) Kraftwerk at Last!!!!! Date: 03 Jul 1997 22:26:36 -0700 hi, Craig wrote to the list: > I have the SGR CD Kraftwerk live 1975, I understand that there is > another Live in Cologne CD but this time from 1971, I think. Is this > correct, if so what is the track listing? the cd is called 'bremen' although it's the cologne concert from 1971 (starquake sq-06) the track list: stratovarius / ruckzuck / vom himmel hoch also available on lp (ruckzuck 630 5051) as picdisc (the cone?) the sgrs cd craig mentioned is also available on lp (i offer one for trade on uffe's great markplatz, beside other records) regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) First in America? Date: 03 Jul 1997 17:35:33 -0400 Hey there, listies. Upon reading through the Dave Thompson liner notes in the jackets of my Cleopatra CD re-issues of 'Radio-Activity', 'Trans-Europe Express', and 'The Man-Machine', I found the claim made that "with all three now available on compact disc for the first time in America, we can all now discover where the "Autobahn" was really leading." However, when I check the Kraftwerk discography, there clearly were original versions of these three CDs listed for a 1985 release: Radio-Activity: CD 1985 EMI 777 7 46132 2 Trans-Europe Express: CD 1985 Capitol CDP 7 46473 2 (color picture sleeve) Trans-Europe Express: CD 1985 Capitol C2 46423 The Man-Machine: CD 1985 Capitol CDP 7 46039 2 So, can anyone tell me if these CDs from 1985 were in fact a reality, or were the Cleopatra re-issues indeed the first American CDs of these albums to hit the states. It wouldn't be the first time that the information in the Cleopatra re-issues was incorrect about something or other. -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Wir sind Schaufensterpuppen..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 58@bigfoot.com (Gary Mager) Subject: Re: (kw) ra to wav converter Date: 03 Jul 1997 21:51:14 GMT Lars : On Thu, 3 Jul 1997 20:53:00 +0200 (MET DST), you wrote: >I've downoloaded the Tribal gathering ra-file from the Infobahr, and I'll >like tio convert it into a wav or just any other sound format - so I can >burn my own CD from the concert, but I can't find a program that can convert >.ra to .wav - soundforge 4.0b can convert .wav to .ra, but not the other >way around - can anybody help :-) To the best of my knowledge, (and I have looked...) no such conversion is possible. Apparently, .ra is a "lossy" format that would not convert to any other format properly. About the only possible way of accomplishing a conversion is by actually doing a recording of the .ra output, and converting that recording to the desired format. Best, Gary # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: WG: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed Date: 03 Jul 1997 23:55:14 +0200 > hello everybody. > > in a newsletter from MCT I found the following statement: > > > Kraftwerk > > - ein seltenes Konzert findet zu Eroeffnung des ZKM in Karlsruhe > > am 18.10.97 statt. Es sind keine weiteren Konzerte in diesem Jahr > > in Deutschland geplant. Karten in Kuerze unter www.ticketworld.de > > thats mainly what Klaus already postet, except: > >>the concert will take place at the opening of ZKM in Karlsruhe<< and > > >>tickets will be available very soon at www.ticketworld.de<< > > does anybody know what ZKM means?? > > > martin > > Klaus wrote: > Kraftwerk's concert agency MCT has now confirmed that Kraftwerk will > appear live in Karlsruhe on October 18th. > According to MCT it will be Kraftwerk's only appearance in Germany > this > year. > > Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) First in America? (fwd) Date: 03 Jul 1997 15:58:17 -0600 (MDT) > So, can anyone tell me if these CDs from 1985 were in fact a reality, or > were the Cleopatra re-issues indeed the first American CDs of these > albums to hit the states. It wouldn't be the first time that the > information in the Cleopatra re-issues was incorrect about something or > other. As you suspect, Scott, Cleopatra were once again full of "it" where this is concerned. The 1985 US CDs were not exactly thick on the ground, but they *did* exist. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Fw: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed Date: 03 Jul 1997 15:02:27 -0700 -(Klaus Zaepke sez)- > Kraftwerk's concert agency MCT has now confirmed that Kraftwerk will > appear live in Karlsruhe on October 18th. > According to MCT it will be Kraftwerk's only appearance in Germany this > year. -!!!!- *wOw* -Now THIS is the kind of INFO we all NEED!! Vielen Dank!! ..........and they say miracles never happen. Any news on a US/World Tour? -(yeah-h, riiight. In my Dreams....)- ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) ra to wav converter Date: 03 Jul 1997 16:03:12 -0600 (MDT) > To the best of my knowledge, (and I have looked...) no such > conversion is possible. Apparently, .ra is a "lossy" format > that would not convert to any other format properly. .ra is a lossy format, but that doesn't prevent it from being converted to .wav format -- anything your soundcard can play can be converted to .wav. If there isn't an ra-to-wav converter out there, it's likely because no one capable of writing it has seen a need to. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: (kw) Live MP3 goodies here! Date: 04 Jul 1997 00:09:27 +0200 Hi! I've been working on my own CD with (BBC) live recordings of the KW gig at TG. (I'll keep you posted because more non-BBC stuff IS coming - be patient). I've plucked Intro / Numbers / Computerworld from that CD. I don't have the space to put on the Net (sorry), but i'll be happy to sent it by e-mail to anyone who wants it (I guess there a quite a few on the list that don't have the Olympic CD (yet)). Its MP3, so very good 16 bits/44.1 kHz quality. It's about 9 mins. and the file itself is 7.7 MB approx. You need a MP3 player ofcourse (WinAmp is quite good under Windows95 - http://winamp.lh.net is tha place to be) Just send me a mail and in a couple of days i'll mail it ONCE (because to upload 7.7 MB takes some time and phonecosts) to all that have responded. Hope you don't come in hundreds. Laterz, Statik. -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 58@bigfoot.com (Gary Mager) Subject: Re: (kw) ra to wav converter Date: 03 Jul 1997 22:26:12 GMT On Thu, 3 Jul 1997 16:03:12 -0600 (MDT), "Lazlo Nibble" wrote: >> To the best of my knowledge, (and I have looked...) no such >> conversion is possible. Apparently, .ra is a "lossy" format >> that would not convert to any other format properly. > >.ra is a lossy format, but that doesn't prevent it from being converted to >.wav format -- anything your soundcard can play can be converted to .wav. If >there isn't an ra-to-wav converter out there, it's likely because no one >capable of writing it has seen a need to. Well, yes, this is basically true. However, the way I've seen it described is that the output of a converted .ra file would be so incredibly bad that it's not worth the effort. Still, if you started with an high quality .ra, I'm sure the result could be acceptable for some uses. Best, Gary. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Lloyd Subject: (kw) Leaving.. Date: 03 Jul 1997 22:06:23 -0400 All, Here is my two cents on this whole Kraftwerk thing. Firstly, the people that I see are, well, morons. There are people here, i.e. ROBOT, who have taken the liking of Kraftwerk to a fanatical level. Look at what Ralf & Florian have said over the years, they don't like cult following, they don't like fanaticism. I agree with them when they say that to enjoy their music is to simply enjoy the music, not the people behind it. I bought my Volkswagen because of the car, not the people who made it. I couldn't care less about them (Mexican or German). It was the product, the simple, straight forward product. Nothing more. This is why I like Kraftwerk, because they're industrial folkmusic. Not rabid fans making silly t-shirts, or horribly designed web pages with ZERO content. Not a newslist with a bunch of crap endlessly spewing about absolutely nothing. Not a bunch of whiners who insist of ruining their art by creating BOOTLEGS! (Why don't you just kick them in the groin for God's sake and call them pathetic Philistines..) I also don't care about the tools they use. I don't care how my car was manufactured, nor do I care about the tools that Kraftwerk use. Why should I? I don't care about the paint brush that Kandinsky used to created "Black Relationship". Why should I? I want to enjoy the end product, not the means of how the piece of art got to that end. So for this reason, and for the simple fact that this list in itself spoils the very essence of what Kraftwerk are, I am leaving. Not only that, but the level of arrogant, blind stupidity that has infiltrated this list is simply shocking. When anyone presents a contrary point of view, the automatic response is that you *must* be American because we Europeans are so much more cultured and aware than anyone else. Again, this kind of nauseating attitude makes me want to vomit. Anyway, kids, it was fun. I managed to get a few people in tears, and so far, one death threat from an impotant Frenchman. Yippee! (Like thats a threat - more like a joke, really.) Bruce ---- Marhsall McLuhan was full of shit. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Leaving.. Date: 03 Jul 1997 22:46:48 -0400 >Here is my two cents on this whole Kraftwerk thing. Firstly, the people >that I see are, well, morons. There are people here, i.e. ROBOT, who >have taken the liking of Kraftwerk to a fanatical level. Well, I realize that the above post is going to be receiving a good deal of response from people, so I'll not dwell on this one too long. I find it "moronic" in and of itself to refer to someone as a "moron" based on the intensity of their appreciation for a musical artist or the work they have created. Everyone on this list appreciates Kraftwerk to varying degrees of fandom, and ALL qualify as acceptable in my book. I will certainly stick up for ROBOT, as she happens to be an artist who utilizes her artwork as a vehicle of expression, and Kraftwerk happens to be just one of the many things she allows her art to act as an expression of appreciation for. This is as creative as any of the musicians on this list (myself included) who have recreated varying interpretations on the works of Kraftwerk using their home midi equipment. There is nothing moronic about it as it is productive, meaningful, and enjoyable for many of us to experience. >forward product. Nothing more. This is why I like Kraftwerk, because >they're industrial folkmusic. Not rabid fans making silly t-shirts, or >horribly designed web pages with ZERO content. Not a newslist with a >bunch of crap endlessly spewing about absolutely nothing. Whether the T-shirt are silly or the web pages are horrible is up to each respective list member to decide, and I do mean "respective". No-one can place definitive universal standards on what is to be considered of quality, and a healthy difference of opinion (without insult) is what makes the list go round. Those differences between us are wonderful things, and without them there'd be little of interest to talk about. If people were looking instead for a place where a like-minded uniformity of thought and opinion abounded, one might suggest alt.fascism. It would seem that there's been a lack of courtesy and respect plaguing this list of late, but I'd rather stick it out and see if we can't get things back on track rather than jump ship. >I also don't care about the tools they use. I don't care how my car was >manufactured, nor do I care about the tools that Kraftwerk use. Why >should I? Perhaps you shouldn't, but that is not to say that there aren't people on this mailing list to whom that information would be relevant. As I've mentioned, many of us are musicians on this list, and being people who appreciate the wonderful music and inspiration that Kraftwerk has given us artistically, it is of value to many of us to learn about the tools used to create the work. This can sometimes have a profound effect on our own music or art as well, and knowledge for knowledge's sake never hurt anyone as far as I'm concerned. Despite all the negative energy that's been eminating from this list in recent times, there are still a lot of decent respectful people out here (from a variety of countries mind you, UK, US, JP, AU, IT, SP, GE, and so on!) who engage regularly in what I consider to be interesting discussions that are relevant to Kraftwerk and their music, and as long as these discussions continue I will always feel at home here. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Und wenn die Nacht anbricht ist diese Stadt aus Licht!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 06:33:49 +-200 Date: 03 Jul 1997 22:35:00 -0600 >Bruce Lloyd wrote: >(snipp) >So for this reason, and for the simple fact that this list in itself >spoils the very essence of what Kraftwerk are, I am leaving. Well goodbye then! _________________________________________________________________________ Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ ~~~~~~~~|Synthetic Electronic Sounds, Industrial Rhythms All Around|~~~~~~~~ ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Peers of KW Date: 04 Jul 1997 00:38:38 EDT Can anyone tell me who Man Parrish is? I loved the classic "Hip-hop Bebop." I always thought that if KW used "ordinary" equipment (808s, etc.), this is how they might have sounded. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) First in America? Date: 04 Jul 1997 00:56:46 EDT >>> So, can anyone tell me if these CDs from 1985 were in fact a reality, or were the Cleopatra re-issues indeed the first American CDs of these albums to hit the states. It wouldn't be the first time that the information in the Cleopatra re-issues was incorrect about something or other. <<< Yes, Capitol/EMI issued the CDs for the first time in 1985. The next-to-current Capitol/EMI pressings (which I have) of TEE and RA are C2-46373 and C2-46374, respectively. Now the "0777 7" prefix has been replaced in the barcode (not the catalog number), starting with a "6" and the catalog number on the barcode starts with "51" or something like that, although the catalog number has stayed the same. It seems that this pattern has been going on for all of EMD's (that's EMI Music Distribution for all y'all non-music-industry types) midline releases. I find the Cleopatra label extremely cheesy, and I can't understand why Caroline/Virgin continues to distribute a label with such an I-don't-give-a-fuck attitude about music and music packaging. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Leaving... Date: 03 Jul 1997 23:18:29 -0600 (MDT) Please resist the temptation to respond to this nitwit. Thanks. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Cancellation Date: 01 Jul 1997 20:40:54 EDT >>> I was hoping I had finally found Kindred Spirits here, but, aside from a few very special, warm-hearted CyberPals out there, it really seems like a lot of so-called KW Fans just don't give a damn, and it grieves me deeply. There are too many thieves/flamers who spoil it for the rest of us. I am beyond angry and disgusted! <<< I concur! All y'all need to get some Afrocentric knowledge into your domes, and then you'd see that this bickering is petty bullshit. We need to unite and weed out the selfish muthafukaz who keep us list members down by exploitation and what-not. Positivity is the key! Think of "ujima" (collective work and responsibility) and "ujaama" (collective economics), two kiswahili words for you there, before trying to make a few bucks by ripping us off. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Garcia Subject: (kw) new member intro Date: 03 Jul 1997 23:44:10 +0200 hello (hola) perhaps some people on this list already know about me. i will reintroduce myself for those who don't (most of you probably). my name is jose garcia and i have been a kw fan since 1980, after hearing on the radio at night songs as tee and radio-activity. i collect kw records and have versions from different countries. i count them by the hundreds now. in january 1993 i was one of the 10 starting members of the kraftwerk mailing list, when it was hosted at cs.uwp.edu and managed by dave datta. i saw kw live in barcelona 1991 as well as at the 3 concerts in may 1993, groningen (what a performace, fabulous), gent and osnabrueck. groningen is specially memorable, just in a small theatre, about 400-500 people maximum, and kw on the stage. i am a regular contributor to the unofficial kraftwerk fanzine, aktivitat, and do distribution for spain (perhaps not so regular anymore?). (hello ian). one of my favourite kw albums is e.cafe. and just a few days ago i had a very good experience listening to kw vinyl on a good hi-fi equipment (low hi-end could i qualify it?), remember that, miguel angel esteban? all the hardware was by linn, with a linn basik turntable. i could listen to things i don't hear on cd. this is specially noticeable on good quality vinyl, 12" at 45 rpm for instance. an experience i recommend to any kw fan. kw are ideal for listening in this kind of hardware! so, hello to all of you, and specially to any old members with whom i shared experiences, trades, etc. jose garcia - la musica ideas portara y siempre continuara, - sonido electronico, decibel sintetico. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ferm=EDn_Goiriz?=" Subject: RE: (kw) Leaving.. Date: 04 Jul 1997 09:41:39 +0200 > I bought my Volkswagen because of the car, not the people who made it. I > couldn't care less about them (Mexican or German). It was the product, the > simple, straight forward product. Nothing more. Ha ha ha ha ha So man you not only like Kraftwerk but copy their own words, too! You're very funny mate! Goodbye!! That thing about the Volkswagen, I'm sure I readed Ralf Hütter saying exactly that on an interview... don't remember what one. (Klaus, can you help??) -Fermin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) new member intro Date: 04 Jul 1997 09:18:42 +0000 See list members, I told you so.........(vinyl is quality) Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) new member intro Date: 04 Jul 1997 03:24:43 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 4 Jul 1997, Craig Land wrote: > See list members, I told you so.........(vinyl is quality) :) Technicaly, CD and DAT are quality. Though still not enough. IMHO CD-audio should have been at least 18 bits per sample at a higher rate than 44.1KHz. But I could gripe about things like this all night... Choice of recording media is a very personal thing. Myself, I like vinyl, mag tape and CDs. I prefer CDs because they're random access without being as fragile as records, and I prefer their flatter frequency response. Ultimately it's the player, amp and speakers that make all the difference though. Some kinds of equipment may make records sound better than CDs. My equipment makes CDs sound much better than records. Go figure. /*--------------------------------------+---------------------------------* | Soleil "Ra" Lapierre | Contents 57.6% nerd, 85% pure. | | lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | Myers-Briggs product type INXJ | | http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs | Celia Green is right! | *--------------------------------------+---------------------------------*/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Peers of KW Date: 04 Jul 1997 11:18:10 +0000 Man Parrish eh?! Well as an old popper and break dancer, I was well into the Electro scene in the early eighties (if you want to hear one of the best Electro tunes of all time, check out Clear by Cybotron, this is an early Juan Atkins tune which uses Kraftwerk samples as well), Man Parrish were two brothers, Raul Rodriguez and I can't remember the other guys name, but they had the following record releases: 12 inch singles; Hip Hop Be Bop (Don't Stop) Part 1 b/w Part2 Man Made b/w Heatstroke Boogie Down Bronx b/w Instrumental LP Man Parrish I have all of the above, the LP actually includes a guest appearance by Klaus Nomi, remember him?! They also did some later material which can only be described as 'Batty-boy' music, sorry, Hi-NRG Gay Disco type!! One tune was even called Male Stripper, I would not personally want to be seen buying this one! I agree with you that if KW had gone the 303 route, then Man Parrish could be likened them. But we will never know. Regards, Craig. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:52:23 +-200 Date: 04 Jul 1997 04:53:16 -0600 >Craig Land wrote >(snipp) >They also did some later material which can only be described as=20 >'Batty-boy' music, sorry, Hi-NRG Gay Disco type!! One tune was even=20 >called Male Stripper, I would not personally want to be seen buying=20 >this one! C mon Craig!!! Man 2 Man meets Man Parrish / Male Stripper is definetly one of the = coolest Hi-NRG tracks ever recorded. And the lyrics!!!! - Built like a truck, Ill pump for a buck!!! Is that cool or what ;-) Some mail-order shop had like 3 CDs with Man Parrish, Best of.... Hip Hop Bee Bop 2nd Album Just thought perhaps you wanted to know. Uffe _________________________________________________________________________= Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^= -^ ~~~~~~~~|Synthetic Electronic Sounds, Industrial Rhythms All = Around|~~~~~~~~ ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^= -^ =00=00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de Subject: Re: WG: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed Date: 04 Jul 1997 12:56:07 +0200 (CES) According to Martin Niedergesaess: > > Kraftwerk > > - ein seltenes Konzert findet zu Eroeffnung des ZKM in Karlsruhe > > am 18.10.97 statt. Es sind keine weiteren Konzerte in diesem Jahr > > in Deutschland geplant. Karten in Kuerze unter www.ticketworld.de > > thats mainly what Klaus already postet, except: > >>the concert will take place at the opening of ZKM in Karlsruhe<< and > >>tickets will be available very soon at www.ticketworld.de<< > does anybody know what ZKM means?? ZKM means "Zentrum fuer Kunst und Medientechnologie" (Center for Art and Media Technology). It has some web pages at "http://www.zkm.de". -- Harald Westphal *** eMail Harald.Westphal@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de -- "Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, programmier' die Zukunft mir." -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) 'Computer World' Font. Date: 04 Jul 1997 09:47:43 -0400 For those of you who have already been to the "Datorvaerld" Kraftwerk website, you've seen the usage of the font that appears on the 'Computer World' CD. I am referring to the font with the diamond-shaped letter "O" and the half-hexagonal letter "C". I own both 'Computer World' and 'Computerwelt' on CD, and only the English-language version of the CD contains this font in which the track listing and all other text is displayed. My German-language version of the CD does not contain this font anywhere on its packaging, so I was wondering if the original German vinyl of the album contains the font or was it exclusive to the English-language release? Also is there an official name for this font? By the way, for those of you who have not yet been to the "Datovaerld" website, the URL is: http://www.abc.se:80/~m9736/kraftwerk/ It's currently under construction, but you can go take a peek at that font to see what I'm referring to. -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Eins Zwei Drei Vier..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:00:17 +-200 Date: 04 Jul 1997 08:01:31 -0600 Werkers!!! Ive re-made the Marktplatz in the vinyl section. Is that for better or for worse? Feedback please! And goddammit send those adverts NOW! :-) Uffe _________________________________________________________________________ Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ ~~~~~~~~|Synthetic Electronic Sounds, Industrial Rhythms All Around|~~~~~~~~ ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: (kw) 'Computer World' Font. Date: 04 Jul 1997 16:01:00 +0200 > release? Also is there an official name for this font? I have a TTF file with this font, it's called OCR-T or something like that. I recently used it for my KW page too :) if someone needs this font, i can send it. I also have a font similar to one that appears on the backsleeve of the Man Machine. Tim. -- Timour JGENTI | Institut Francais du Petrole __ _______________|_______________________________________|____ ________ / timour.jgenti@ifp.fr | | __| / / http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ | | | # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) 'Computer World' Font. Date: 04 Jul 1997 16:05:29 +0200 At 09:47 1997-07-04 -0400, Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > My German-language version of the CD does not contain this font anywhere on its=20 > packaging, so I was wondering if the original German vinyl of the album > contains the font or was it exclusive to the English-language release? > Also is there an official name for this font? I heard from ROBOT that on vinyl it had pixel based font,.. Is that the german or english version? She also told that the cassette version got the font I use on my pages. The name of the font is OCR-A Extended,.. OCR stands for Optical Character Recognition and is used in old style text-reading systems.=20 //RoBoten, owner of Datorv=E4rld # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WaltonP@aol.com Subject: (kw) Bleep and Booster CAT No. Date: 04 Jul 1997 10:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Hi, sorry for the delay. For those who are interested the record label and catalogue number for the album 'The World of Bleep and Booster' by Bleep & Booster is as follows. London Records Cat no : - 828 511.2 Apparently Virgin Megastore in Edinburgh had a copy about a week ago. When I'm next at home I going to create some .wav files so that I can email them to interested people so they can check it out. Catch you later Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) 'Computer World' Font. Date: 04 Jul 1997 16:36:41 +0200 barnhill@easyway.net (Scott M. Barnhill),internet writes:=20 >so I was wondering if the original German vinyl=20 >of the album contains the font or was it exclusive to the=20 >English-language=20 >release? =20 =20 I think only the American version contains this font...the others have=20 a dot-matrix font......=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Morper Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed Date: 04 Jul 1997 18:04:51 -0200 At 20:46 03.07.1997 +0200, you wrote: >Kraftwerk's concert agency MCT has now confirmed that Kraftwerk will >appear live in Karlsruhe on October 18th. Do you know if there is any connection between this live appearance and the still to be released new album? Bye, Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Still more Tribal Gathering reviews Date: 04 Jul 1997 19:14:06 +0200 (DFT) The July issue of the German magazine Zillo contains a review of the Tribal Gathering festival, including a photo of Kraftwerk performing "Tour de France". BTW: The "Beam me up" article quotes a Tribal Gathering review from The Guardian. Does anyone know the exact date of the Guardian review? Thanks in advance, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 09:55:02 +0200 From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) Leaving.. Somebody sang once: don't judge before you judge yourselve. He was an artist, I think TD ( a european) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 11:56:49 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Leaving.. Personally I love America, I also drive a Trans Am over here the UK and would love to emigrate, but it's comments like this from Americans like you that give your Nation a bad name. Us Europeans on the whole don't think we are better than anyone, after all look how crap the English are at sport! It is true that sometimes this list gets too involved with the hows and why's when all we sometimes want to do is enjoy the music, but if the majority want to speak on such matters who are you to complain. You had better take your loud mouth opinions elsewhere, why don't you just switch off your Internet set and go and do something less boring instead....know what I mean!! Craig. Note. Empty vesels make most noise Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) M.Parrish!/"Brucie-Wucie" Date: 04 Jul 1997 04:21:48 -0700 -(Adam & Craig were talking about Mann Parrish)- > Man Parrish eh?! YEAH!! SIX SIMPLE SYNTHESIZERS & TECHNOTRAX! Yummy StuFF! Unfortunately, I only have this one album. -(name plastered all over the cover)- Very KW-ish, for sure! So, what's Brucie-Wucie's problem?? -( Ofcourse I emailed him privately.)- Yes, I was tempted to unsubscribe from the MailList, because of all the hate & discontent. But, many people have asked me to stay, "silly" T-shirts and all. -(C'mon, my design isn't THAT bad. I've seen a lot worse- and nobody's forcing anyone to buy any. At $10 + Postage, I am NOT making a Dime!)- So, I'm staying. If the unfriendlies don't like me, that's just too bad, because they are highly out-numbered. -(Thanks to all of the Friendlies for the kind Emails!)- Majority rules. *SNIIIFFF* ah-h-h! Frisches Luft/Fresh Air! Gee- with Brucie gone, it smells a lot better in here already! 'nuff sed. ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Leaving.. Date: 04 Jul 1997 11:56:49 +0000 Personally I love America, I also drive a Trans Am over here the UK and would love to emigrate, but it's comments like this from Americans like you that give your Nation a bad name. Us Europeans on the whole don't think we are better than anyone, after all look how crap the English are at sport! It is true that sometimes this list gets too involved with the hows and why's when all we sometimes want to do is enjoy the music, but if the majority want to speak on such matters who are you to complain. You had better take your loud mouth opinions elsewhere, why don't you just switch off your Internet set and go and do something less boring instead....know what I mean!! Craig. Note. Empty vesels make most noise Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Leaving.. Date: 04 Jul 1997 12:16:18 +0100 I can understand the feeling. Actually, when I subscribed to this list a couple of months ago, I was expecting more, being a KW fan since 1971 (yes, i'm very old, I have 127 grand children and i move on a wheelchair). The only problem I have with the content of this list is that it's only that. Some of the people contributing the most seem to be those who have the least to say, or who are the most recents fans and don't see KW work in the perspective of electro-pop / synth music history & evolution during the past 30 years. Don't get me wrong : i don't mean they're ignorants. I just mean that they didn't experience the successive steps of that music style and the successive trends in real time with all the context, and I'm sure it makes a big difference. It's the same with Bussy's book : the only new thing I learned was that Ralf had a bicycle accident because he used to drink to much coffee (or something like that). Poor Ralf... I know what some of you are going to say : if you expect more from this list, why don't you do the first step and contribute with some new stuff ? And they're probably right... But as a true KW fan, I'm planing to send a new contribution every 11 years only ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: caseyw@gtn.net (Wood, Casey) Subject: (kw) the continuing drama Date: 04 Jul 1997 19:27:14 -0400 The only group of people that can match the pretension of certain members of this mailing list, are kraftwerk themself! Bye, bye. Sincerely, A very dissinterested, Casey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) the continuing drama Date: 04 Jul 1997 17:34:28 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 4 Jul 1997 caseyw@gtn.net wrote: I don't think anyone's directly mentioned yet that there's not a whole lot to talk about. Some have complained about it and left, and I think they missed the point. Don't get me wrong. I love KW and am always hoping for news about them. However, there's not that much. They keep a low profile, rarely release new material, seldom appear in public and don't say much to the press. We here on the list have pretty much exhaustively searched for and found every second of KW music and video there is, and every article that mentions them. In the yawning gulfs between news items, we don't really have much to discuss except comparing opinions and trading rumors and speculations. Some people seem to expect this list to have the thriving traffic of other musical groups' lists. It doesn't, and personally I never expected it to. I for one like the list the way it is. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre * http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Recording media Date: 04 Jul 1997 23:52:49 EDT >>> Technically, CD and DAT are quality. Though still not enough. IMHO CD-audio should have been at least 18 bits per sample at a higher rate than 44.1KHz. But I could gripe about things like this all night... <<< What about CDs that use SBM or some other 20-bit mastering technology? I think the difference is like night and day! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Recording media Date: 04 Jul 1997 22:20:24 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 4 Jul 1997, Adam Schefflan wrote: > What about CDs that use SBM or some other 20-bit mastering technology? I > think the difference is like night and day! Peace. I haven't had a chance to hear such a thing. Actually I didn't even know it existed. I would imagine it sounds pretty good though. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre * http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Cybotron, etc. Date: 05 Jul 1997 02:00:30 EDT After reading the info about Man Parrish, I think I'll only get the "Hip-Hop Bebop" single. That other stuff sounds truly nasty. New topic (Cybotron). Isn't it weird that both Cybotron albums are on the Fantasy label???? I mean, it's a legendary jazz label, and the only rock it ever released were the joints by Creedence Clearwater Revival. But BREAKDANCE music???? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LM Subject: (kw) Our list... Date: 04 Jul 1997 23:47:49 -0700 If this list is supposed to be "sinking" as one might say, I guess the rats are the first ones to leave the boat... ;-) |_ |\/| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) The function of this list Date: 05 Jul 1997 07:18:11 -0400 Greetings from sunny Bangkok! Erm, sorry ROBOT, the addresss was pcstruct@technologist.com, ooops. What's going on here then? I haven't had a chance to catch up yet, so I'l= l have to plough through it all tonight. My thoughts so far are this: We all have a common interest, right? so if that's the case, do we HAVE t= o post to the group with new material, or is the function of this group to loosely string together some KW souls lost in cyberspace, regardless of t= he content. Well, my preffered option is the latter, 'cos to me, there ain't= much info going, and the option is then to keep going with related matter= s. What Brucie didn't seem to understand, is that the human race is a greatl= y varied entity, and views that stray from his percepted norm are just as valid. yes, I agree with some of his views, kw don't like fanatisism, but= , one the other hand, they don't control what their fans do, and they are also partly responsible for fanatisism (due to their knack of releasing shit hot material - once in a blue moon) Hell, I don't even agree completely with the views of those I keep in regular contact with, but we STILL have that common interest. So, fellow KW'ers, what is the function of this list? A cold news service= , or a friendly discussion group broadly based aroung the theme? C'mon, show your hands....... Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) The function of this list Date: 05 Jul 1997 16:45:51 +0300 Julian Seifert wrote: > My thoughts so far are this: > > We all have a common interest, right? so if that's the case, do we HAVE to > post to the group with new material, or is the function of this group to > loosely string together some KW souls lost in cyberspace, regardless of the > content. Well, my preffered option is the latter, 'cos to me, there ain't > much info going, and the option is then to keep going with related matters. > What Brucie didn't seem to understand, is that the human race is a greatly > varied entity, and views that stray from his percepted norm are just as > valid. yes, I agree with some of his views, kw don't like fanatisism, but, > one the other hand, they don't control what their fans do, and they are > also partly responsible for fanatisism (due to their knack of releasing > shit hot material - once in a blue moon) Well said, Julian. > Hell, I don't even agree completely with the views of those I keep in > regular contact with, but we STILL have that common interest. > > So, fellow KW'ers, what is the function of this list? A cold news service, > or a friendly discussion group broadly based aroung the theme? I joined the list for discussion with people who like some of the music that I happen to like, maybe even share some thoughts with some fellow musicians about gear etc. I don't know what Bruce was expecting joining this list but I have enjoyed it so far. I don't mind if discuss about Gary Numan etc. - I might check a Numan CD myself someday because of that discussion. Fanaticism - I'm absolutely no fanatic myself but, hey: Kraftwerk is not the worst thing you could be fanatic about, is it? Just my 2 bits worth, Otso NP: Prodigy: The Fat of the Land # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alpezi@zilli.priv.at Subject: Re: (kw) Tangerine Dream was: presentation Date: 04 Jul 1997 18:53:45 +0200 (MEST) Hi! > > I'll love to subscribe also a Tangerine Dream LIst... Does someone knows > about that? I dont know about a mailing list, but: If youre one of the lucky guys, who can receive German TV-Channel VOX via Astra: Friday, 18th of July 12.10 am Midnight Magazin: The Comeback of Tangerine Dream Biography an current Tour-Report.... Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) The function of this list Date: 05 Jul 1997 05:34:14 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, Julian Seifert wrote: > So, fellow KW'ers, what is the function of this list? A cold news service, > or a friendly discussion group broadly based aroung the theme? > C'mon, show your hands....... Well, of course the latter choice sounds better. As it is, we all have gripes about it. I for one am bothered by the frequent unsubstantiated rumors and the bias some members have against some modern forms of music. However, we can't make everyone happy. I say it's good the way it is, as long as we all remember to keep a civil tongue and respect the views of others without necessarily agreeing with them. And watch out for trolls. Some people get their kicks out of learning enough about a newsgroup or mailing list to know just what to say to throw it into chaos. It seems to me that this has happened a few times recently. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SeJ@asu.edu Subject: (kw) Hello All!!! Date: 05 Jul 1997 18:39:10 -0700 (MST) My name is jessica and I just joined the list. Sounds like someone is having a hard time with subject matter. Every list I've been on goes through that discussion, kind of in a cyclical fashion. I didn't join to simply talk about KW, how many old records I have, all the little things you can hear if you listen really hard, what it sounds like they're saying when they speak german, ETC... I happen to have fond memories of Kraftwek, it was the music I grew up to thanks to my kick-ass older brother. You can imagine the intense nostalgia and elation I felt when, for the first time at a rave I heard Tour de France or any other tune mixed over phat breaks and coming over a sound system meant to permanently damage your hearing :) About me -- I just turned 21, live in Tempe Arizona. I attend Arizona State University, my senior year approaches. I plan to change my major to business or maybe music or maybe both :) I am having trouble making up my mind . I've been doing the rave/club thing for prolly three years now. Getting a little burnt on it though. WOn't go into my theories on that right now though :) So that's me in a nut-shell :) Talk to you all soon ! . * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) VCR Alert!! VH-1 "A-Z" this weekend! Date: 05 Jul 1997 20:15:54 -0700 -(*ARGH*! I tried to post this the other day, but, it never showed up! HELP!)- VH-1 is showing "A-Z" videos all week-end, beginning with ABBA early Friday Morning and concluding with ZZ TOP late Sunday evening. The "K"s should show up sometime Saturday evening! -(I don't know if VH-1 is World-Wide or US only.)- Let's see, there's KANSAS, and KISS, and.... Hm-m, what other bands start with "K"? :] ROBOSMILEY -(UPDATE)- !!*PANIC*!! This didn't post!! They were on Michael Jackson a few minutes ago- "K" is getting close! It's 8pm PDT as I type this.... I hope to God those who get VH-1 will see this in time. I'm so sorry this didn't get posted sooner! IF they DO play KRAFTWERK, I'll have it on tape, and I'll find the means to make duplicates if needed. -(Keeping my digits crossed)- ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco DuBose Subject: (kw) Re: Cleopatra/Capital Date: 05 Jul 1997 11:53:31 -0600 Interesting that this topic should come up. Just yesterday I was at a Barnes & Noble and noticed that they had both the Capital and Cleopatra releases of Radioactivity and TEE side by side. The Cleopatra releases were priced higher? Can anyone tell me if there is a quality difference between the two releases? Or do they come from the same master? Marco Subject: (kw) VCR Alert!! Update Date: 05 Jul 1997 23:34:30 -0700 Re: VH-1 "A-Z" videos.... It's 11:15pm PDT and they were playing Elton John up until 11 before they broke away for the RuPaul show, and they'll resume alphabetical videos at 11:30 til whenever. -(They might show infomercials in the middle of the night.)- At this rate, maybe, just MAYbe they'll show some KRAFTWERK video(s) sometime tomorrow morning. -(Sunday)-. They had just begun an entire hour's worth of Mickael Jackson when I sent the previous message at 8pm. -(Pacific Daylight Time)- Then they showed Rick James "Superfreak" followed by about 1/2 hour each from Billy Joel and Elton John. Well- apparently they're showing quite a few videos of each major artist. -(Mostly older songs)- But, they skipped Jean-Michel Jarre and Jamiriquois, so, I can only hope they'll play The Model or something by KW. If so, look for KISS and they wont be far behind.... =VH-1=VH-1=VH-1=VH-1=VH-1=VH-1=VH-1=VH-1=VH-1=VH-1=VH-1= ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco DuBose Subject: Re: (kw) The function of this list Date: 07 Jul 1997 02:47:55 -0600 Just to put my 2 cents in (yeah, an American expression - what's the equivalent in your town?) I agree with Julian. I only joined the list recently and didn't really "expect" anything in particular from it. That's the fun part. I've found the I can better re-experience something if I can do so through someone else's eyes. That's what the list does for my -- gives me other peoples reactions to KW (and related topics) and gives me fresh insight. So far, the "fanatical" ROBOT has been the most helpful thing about the great by posting her list of KW webistes! As far as on/off-topic conversation...here's my contribution: I've been listening to "The Mix" in the car lately and I think it's really cool the way the rearview mirror shakes along with the bass notes! Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) VH-1: nevermind.... Date: 06 Jul 1997 03:31:38 -0700 RATS!! False alarm. They went from Chaka Khan to The Knack -(My Sharona!)-, to Kool & the Gang, to commercials ....and ....And ....AND ....-(the tension mounts)- ....*grrrr*.... Lenny Kravitz?!! Those turkeys skipped over KRAFTWERK. It figures. %@#$. :[[ ROBOBITCH on the War Path! Well, atleast I tried.... I guess I can go to bed any time now. Thank you to all of the "friendlies" for being so supportive- ofcourse this isn't about "stroking ROBOT's ego". -(But, ThanX anyway, guys! It does feel good to know that atleast SOME people out there like me! :] ROBOSMILEY)- No. This is about being into KRAFTWERK and sharing their VIBES. Period. Note: I know I'm a *MEGAFREAK*, but, if I were actually a "FanatiK" in the literal sense, I would expect everyone else to be a "FanatiK", too, and to agree with me 100% on everything. But, no. All I ask is to be allowed to be myself and that we all treat each other with simple respect and a little tolerance. 10-4? I would never intentionally offend anyone, -(unless provoked)-, and I wish I could contribute a lot more than just "silly" K-shirts and KraZy humor. I do what I can when I can. No single person on this List can please every other person. But, if we all WERK together, I'm certain that everyone will find something here that pleases them. 'Talk about their gear, talk about their tunes, influences on other Artists- it's all relevant. -(Eh, Lazlo? Am I right?)- KRAFTWERK is universal. Let's all keep that in mind. Please forgive this personal "off-list" note: As could be expected, I exchanged a couple of flames with Bruce M. -(as in "Moron")- Lloyd, and he lost BIG TIME by proving himself to be the Queen of All Morons. -("Give 'em enough rope...." Ha! He hung himself. I didn't.)- I can't continue a "Battle of Wits" with an unarmed enemy. Hey, I have moral values, y'know. Guten Nacht, alles! TschuS! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) The function of this list Date: 06 Jul 1997 07:55:46 -0400 >As far as on/off-topic conversation...here's my contribution: >I've been listening to "The Mix" in the car lately and I think >it's really cool the way the rearview mirror shakes along with >the bass notes! Kewell! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Cleopatra/Capital Date: 06 Jul 1997 08:34:03 -0400 >Interesting that this topic should come up. Just yesterday I was at a >Barnes & Noble and noticed that they had both the Capital and Cleopatra >releases of Radioactivity and TEE side by side. The Cleopatra releases >were priced higher? Can anyone tell me if there is a quality difference >between the two releases? Or do they come from the same master? >Marco Hi there Marco. The topic regarding the quality and price of the Cleopatra re-issues as compared with their Capitol counterparts has been discussed at some length here on the list in the past, so you may be able to find a good deal of material concerning this subject in the post archive at ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/kraftwerk/archive Without attempting to speak for anyone else inaccurately, I do believe that the majority of responses we got from list members concerning this issue were unanimous in that most people preferred the Capitol versions hands down. There were several reasons why the Cleopatra re-issues received such unfavorable response, the top 3 being: 1) poorer sound quality than on the Capitol ones, 2) altered and cropped packaging/cover artwork, and 3) often inaccurate liner notes. As someone who own both the Capitol and Cleopatra versions, I find that they both have their merits, although the Capitol versions are definitely the all-around shining stars of the two IMHO. -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Turn the dials with your hand..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Future Music Date: 06 Jul 1997 08:41:50 -0400 All, I picked up a copy f this month's FM at heathrow airport, and as an addendum to previous posts, there is also a review of Yamo's 'Time Pie' Rather unfavourable, unfortunately. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: RE: (kw) Las Modelos. Date: 06 Jul 1997 17:06:58 +0200 >Yes; well specially a few (well, not so few) years ago it was usual to >translate the titles of the records. Don't ask me why- I don't have a clue. well, in some books at use in our universities you can still read about *Carlo* Marx or *Federico* Nietszche... maybe it's memories of when we were so influent to latinize anyone's surname... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 17:06:36 +0200 From: lbo Subject: metal box & Re: (kw) Olympic cancellation >sometimes I am even too tired/have no time to read email. > >are you all still feed by your relatives, or do you live in a real world? ok, apologies for my words above. I admit I was a little nervous. I did not want to offend anyone. I just wished to point out that one's daily routine can be sometime very demanding in terms of time and energy, and the list cannot become another job! and in some cases even going to the post could be a job! so what if things take a little longer? and in my immediately sollowing mex you could have well see that I take a different approach to this matter. anyway, I completely agree with the two cents mex of Lazlo. just to come back in topic, the Kraftwerk "Metal box" album I saw on an italian on line seller is not to be confused with the Pil one, and the only thing I could further know is that is a vinyl. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) large .ra files Date: 06 Jul 1997 17:06:39 +0200 I really appreciate that some people, expecially Anders of Infobahr, put audio files of variuos format to download on their pages. the problem is that, at last for me, it unlikely that a transfer larger that 3M happen reliably without interruptions. and I even tried to download from the offices a subsidiary of our national telecom... so I was wondering if it could be possible to split the files for download in smaller size with compressors that permit multivolume splitting, like arj or rar. it's just an idea, of course. I know that practical implications could be demanding. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings Date: 06 Jul 1997 17:08:54 +0200 >What,.... you prefer Mac's to IBM Windows 95 based PC's! nice move... let's divert the flames to a standard and more safe issue... :-))) somebody know if K themselves uses pc and/or mac? I have never seen the usual visual signs that show the use of a mac (the San Francisco font, the typical screen layout etc.), but I don't know why, it seem to me to have seen a mac in one of their stages. I could be obviously all wrong anyway. maybe it was just an Akai sampler that I see used by many musicians I know with a mac sequencer. or do they use other types of computers? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings Date: 06 Jul 1997 17:09:45 +0200 At 01:10 02/07/97 EDT, you wrote: > >Why is it that KW hasn't employed digital recording techniques? I don't well, I don't want to seem iconoclastic, but it does not seem to me that K never aimed so much at high tech. eventually to a sort of casual-all-day tech. and in many of their products I see some naivete, expecially on the image/video side. or think to the Computerworld and The Mix logos... this is not to say bad of them, maybe they just choose to be that way. let's say anyway that now digital direct to disk recording should be more practical and maybe even more cheap for this kind of music than conventional techniques. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings Date: 06 Jul 1997 17:10:51 +0200 >a mac, or a pc, even an old atari will do (btw. I have a apple II in the if it could be of interest, I once asked to the Psychick Warriors ov Gaia why they still used old Ataris, and they told me that they have tried anything, but the Ataris proved to be more reliable and sturdy (sp?) on tours, other machines whose brand I wont tell being a lot more fragile... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings Date: 06 Jul 1997 23:30:26 +0200 At 17:08 1997-07-06 +0200, you wrote: >somebody know if K themselves uses pc and/or mac? I have never seen the >usual visual signs that show the use of a mac Nah.. At Tribal Gathering I saw a Toshiba with something that looked like Windows 95.. In a small window I saw the graphics that were displayed on the big screens. Pretty cool! //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Re: Cleopatra/Capitol Date: 06 Jul 1997 18:10:36 -0400 While on the subject of the Cleopatra re-issues, I find it appropriate to mention that while CD shopping, I recently came across a version of Cleopatra's 'Radio-Activity' CD with slightly different packaging than their original 1992 re-issue of this disc. Those of you who either own or have seen that one will recall it's green-tinted cover photo of the original album cover and enlarged 'KRAFTWERK' logo. Well, the new packaging that Cleopatra has released it in is somewhat more true to the original 'Radio-Activity', with the only apparent exception being that the parts which should be white on the cover are now printed in shiny silver as opposed to the green that Cleopatra had used before. The back of the CD case features the original black & white photo of the back of the old radio, with the track listing off to the right hand margin. Other than that, I cannot comment on the package's interior as it was sealed in the store. It was going for $15.99, by the way. -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Ohm Sweet Ohm..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: (kw) drum machine help me..... Date: 06 Jul 1997 19:09:28 -0400 (EDT) i just bought a large organ and ripped the ticky drum machine out of it....I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to trigger the individual sounds via metal pads - yes yes - i get this idea from early KW....it's still a great idea. I've already located little metal pins that are each of the sounds. Thanks to all the geniuses of energy!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Pilgrim Subject: (kw) Computer World Songs? Date: 06 Jul 1997 20:35:05 -0700 Hi, I recently found the "Pocket Calculator" 45rpm with "Dentaku" on the B-side. I'm curious to what songs Kraftwerk recorded during the Computer World Album that are not on the album but are on singles. I assume that there is an album with German vocals too. Philip -- Philip Pilgrim The Lab Audio Works 5 Evan's Drive - Analog/Digital Recording/Processing Hammond's Plains - Acoustic Analysis and Consulting Nova Scotia, Canada - Analog Synth Modification and Repair B4B 1M8 - Computer/Synth Interfacing - Hardware/Software Development Phone +1.902.835.7844 pilgrim@atcon.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) drum machine help me..... Date: 06 Jul 1997 17:30:18 -0600 (MDT) On Sun, 6 Jul 1997 ManMachn2@aol.com wrote: > i just bought a large organ and ripped the ticky drum machine out of it....I > was wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to trigger the individual sounds > via metal pads - yes yes - i get this idea from early KW....it's still a > great idea. I've already located little metal pins that are each of the > sounds. Thanks to all the geniuses of energy!!! I don't know how KW did it, but here are two ways you might want to go. If you want to trigger the sounds by hitting the pads with something, you could use two thin sheets of flexible metal, fixed very close together so that normally they don't touch but when you hit them they touch briefly and make an electrical connection. If you want to make the sounds by lightly touching the pads or pressing on them with your fingers, you'll want an electrostatic sensor or pressure sensor and interpretive circuit. Much more complicated and expensive, and the other way is probably better. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings Date: 07 Jul 1997 02:44:44 MET-2MED On 06-Jul-97 A.D., RoBoten carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) Digital recordings": >At 17:08 1997-07-06 +0200, you wrote: >>somebody know if K themselves uses pc and/or mac? I have never seen the >>usual visual signs that show the use of a mac >Nah.. >At Tribal Gathering I saw a Toshiba with something that looked like >Windows >95.. In a small window I saw the graphics that were displayed on the big >screens. Pretty cool! "O tempora, o mores!" - Kraftwerk joining the lemmings... ;) (Leaving for vacation - Gerade aus!) -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JPM Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on AMP ???? (or The end of the world as we know it ) Date: 06 Jul 1997 22:30:26 +0000 Is it my imagination or did I see Kraftwerk on amp. It sounded like some trance dribble typical of the style . Definitely not what one should expect from the boys in Dusseldorf. If it was them ,it is definitley the end of their music career (or at least the part that we all love them for). Lets all just hope it was a typo on the name listing. Oh well , all good things must come to an end (even this letter)............ -- J, JPM The Pygmy Taxi Corp http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/ Vocod'o'rama (Please update your links to the one below) http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/vocoders.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings Date: 06 Jul 1997 22:10:19 -0600 (MDT) > Why is it that KW hasn't employed digital recording techniques? They've only released one new studio album since digital recording became prevalent -- I don't think one data point is enough information to plot a trend from! -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leon Mols Subject: Re: (kw) Computer World Songs? Date: 07 Jul 1997 07:40:06 +0200 Philip Pilgrim wrote: > Hi, > I recently found the "Pocket Calculator" 45rpm with "Dentaku" on the > B-side. > I'm curious to what songs Kraftwerk recorded during the Computer World > > Album that are not on the album but are on singles. As far as I know, every album since Trans Europe/Europa Express has been available in at least three languages (or with at least 1 song in a different language). Kraftwerk uses German, English (well, English with a very bad accent), French, Japanese and Russian (on The Man Machine). Some singles were released with different languages on both sides (Showroomdummies/Les Mannequins/Schaufensterpuppen for example). Leon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Digital recordings #3 Date: 07 Jul 1997 01:52:27 EDT Actually, KW released 3 albums since digital recording became available. The first digitally recorded rock album was released in 1978. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephenv@sirius.com (stephen vesecky) Subject: (kw) metropolis idea Date: 06 Jul 1997 23:38:10 -0700 (PDT) I've an idea: I want to redo the soundtrack for the fritz lang movie 'metropolis', using mostly music by kraftwerk. i have a feeling this has perhaps been done before among members of the list, since i haven't been a member of it for that long. i used to like to watch it while listening to the computerworld album, or the mix. and it would be neat to synchronise all the mechanical imagery with kraftwerks' music. anyone who would like to get a tape copy can contact me directly, if they like. stephen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephenv@sirius.com (stephen vesecky) Subject: (kw) metropolis Date: 06 Jul 1997 23:59:11 -0700 (PDT) yeah, its a german movie. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wisse e." Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed Date: 07 Jul 1997 10:43:38 -0500 On Jul 3, 8:46pm, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed > > Kraftwerk's concert agency MCT has now confirmed that Kraftwerk will > appear live in Karlsruhe on October 18th. > According to MCT it will be Kraftwerk's only appearance in Germany this > year. > > Klaus Zaepke That's great news. Though I have noticed the program on the ZKM site doesn't mention kraftwerk yet. Do you know when and where we can order tickets? Edwin Wisse -- Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam (L) Read" Subject: Re: (kw) Future Music Date: 07 Jul 1997 18:44:03 +1000 Julian Seifert wrote: > All, > > I picked up a copy f this month's FM at heathrow airport, and as an > addendum to previous posts, there is also a review of Yamo's 'Time > Pie' > Rather unfavourable, unfortunately. The August 1997 issue of Future Music has a review of the Tribal Gathering event with two nice photos from the show and the issue also includes an interview with Wolfgang Flur with some interesting comments about his Kraftwerk days. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gus spencer" Subject: (kw) Intro and opinion Date: 06 Jul 1997 14:58:21 +0200 Hi, first of all sorry for my english, it's very bad but i'll try to get understood but the menbers of the list. I'm a"young" Kraftwerk menber, maybe because i'm only 22 and i have Kraftwerk records since 2 years more or less, but i don't think that is the problem, it would sound nice to hear Kraftwerk's TEE when i was 3 but it was impossible. Personal Info: gus spencer Age:22 City: Gijon - Asturias (Spain) Fab KW LP: Trans Europe Express Other bands: Spiritualized, Massive Attack, Yo La Tengo, Frank Sinatra, Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, Faust, Can, Bowie, The Velvet Underground .... By the way, i become a list menber to have news and info about one of my favourite bands, and in the last week all the list is full with topics about Olimpic cancellation, USA against Europe and thinks like that. I like info like new gigs or new album (yes,yes!!!!) or a site to pick a font to write my class works y Man Machine Font but i think that wasting our time talking about peolpe who don't send money for the cd or things like that sound not too much KWish. One silly question, i'm a bike fanatic and i wonder if someone knows if there is a Kraftwerk maillot and hou much is it. Maillot is a ciclyng t-shirt Sorry again for my poor english. Wir sind die roboter --- Editor Grasa E-Zine http://www.las.es/grasa gus@asturies.org Espacio 3 NetServices # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kaoru CHIDA Subject: (kw) Electronic and OMD Date: 07 Jul 1997 19:10:00 +0900 Hi! Werkers, Electronic and OMD recorded their albums with Karl Bartos in 1996. Do you know these titles? Please tell me!! Bye! KaoRu # Boku-wa Ongakka! Dentaku Katate-ni, Tashitari Hiitari Sohsa-shite # Sakkyoku-suru. Kono Botan Oseba Ongaku Kanaderu........ [DENTAKU] *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Madame Curie / Frau Kaoru BARTOS *** *** from Tokio with love xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) 'Future Music' Date: 07 Jul 1997 13:01:38 +0000 I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet... The August issue of 'Future Music' magazine (UK) has a sketchy report on Tribal Gathering; content not worth repeating but with a couple of photos of Kraftwerk live... Also they have a back-page interview with Wolfgang Flur. Doesn't cover much new ground, other than finding out who his favourite Spice Girl is... K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Nothing to talk about.... Date: 07 Jul 1997 14:13:22 +0000 Hi there all, It is quite understandable why there are so many complaints on this list about the lack of KW info. being posted. If you all cast your minds back a couple of months to May, what were we all talking about? Yes, the event of the year, KW playing live. After this, we still had plenty to talk about as many of us were there, me included, all giving report backs especially on the new song. Now that this has all past, I feel that we are all in a state of depression! All we can look forward to now is the possibility of more live dates in Europe, although I am not sure how many of us from the list will be attending, and release of the NEW LP and the re-issues with extra tracks. As the dates for the record releases seem to be getting put back further each week, this is probably adding to our depression. I feel that there are those on this list which deliver a great deal, even if it is a snipet of info., like Klaus, Nexus, Jules, Rich, Kevin Busby, Ian Calder, ROBOT, etc., etc., etc.,............ So lets stop dwelling on the negative and use ours minds to deliver something positive. Craig You can please some of the people some of the time, But you can't please all of the people all of the time.... Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerry Goodman" Subject: (kw) Rules of Nature Date: 07 Jul 1997 14:23:53 +0100 > You can please some of the people some of the time, > But you can't please all of the people all of the time.... Infact you can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: AW: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed Date: 07 Jul 1997 15:45:27 +0200 Hello Edwin, In the following page the Kraftwerk date is mentioned, but on www.ticketsworld.de I could not find any entry about K. http://www.tickets.de/artists/art1.html martin Edwin wrote: > On Jul 3, 8:46pm, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed > > > > Kraftwerk's concert agency MCT has now confirmed that Kraftwerk will > > appear live in Karlsruhe on October 18th. > > According to MCT it will be Kraftwerk's only appearance in Germany > this > > year. > > > > Klaus Zaepke > > That's great news. Though I have noticed the program on the ZKM site > doesn't > mention kraftwerk yet. Do you know when and where we can order > tickets? > > Edwin Wisse # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Man-Machine font. Date: 07 Jul 1997 10:07:48 -0400 We've been discussing the various fonts used on some of Kraftwerk's albums recently, and just this morning I noticed something that hadn't jumped out at me previously. On the cover of 'The Man-Machine', the letters have that stenciled design that is characterized by a split somewhere in each letter. However, you will notice that the letter "N" in "MAN" does not have this split in it, whilst the "N" in "MACHINE" does. Furthermore, the "A" in "MAN" and the "A" in "MACHINE" appear to be different character widths, suggesting that the lettering was stenciled by hand rather than by using an actual uniform font. Similarly, those of you with the German version of this album will note the same trend, this time with the letter "E". The "E" in "MENSCH" appears unsplit in full form, while the "E" in "MASCHINE" does contain the split down its center. I'm not familiar enough with Russian progressive art from El Lissitzky's period to know if this was a technique often employed in lettering, so perhaps someone else could shed some light on why they may have chosen to present the letting this way. Man-Machine presents a very mechanical and uniform concept, so it seems odd to me that the lettering not follow suit. It could be symbolic I suppose of the man/machine duality, or there's always the chance it could have been a printing oversight as well, but I'm curious to get some other perspectives on it. -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Wir laden unsere Batterie..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: (kw) KW and German Language Date: 07 Jul 1997 11:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Since I don't speak german, but have heard many instances of it....I was wondering.....most of the people I know who speak german or whatnot tell me that "ich" is pronounced closer to "ick" than "ish..." yet I only hear ralf say "ish.." I also once asked a german exchange student to translate the "Radioactivity" album and he seemed rather confused by much of the phrasing etc.....?/? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian West Subject: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Date: 07 Jul 1997 10:29:31 -0400 > Technicaly, CD and DAT are quality. Though still not enough. IMHO > CD-audio should have been at least 18 bits per sample at a higher rate > than 44.1KHz. But I could gripe about things like this all night... Believe it or not 16 bits is good enough. If you have perfect hearing the dynamic range (the ratio of the loudest sound to the quietest sound) of your ears is 96 dB. With a bit of arithmetic on the back of an envelope (log(10^(96/20))/log(2)) it turns out that you only need 15.95 bits per sample to achieve 96 dB of dynamic range. I'm not sure, but I believe the unit of sound (the Bel) was originally set at one tenth of the then assumed human range hearing (10 Bels = 100 dBA). A sample rate of 44.1 kHz is enough to represent audio frequencies up to but not including 22.05 kHz. Again with perfect hearing you might hear up to around 16 kHz if you're lucky. IMHO, the best CD players to look for are those that do oversampling (4 times, 8 times etc.). Oversampling is when repeated sound samples are played back at a higher rate to "fill in the gaps". This means that repeated images of the audio sprectrum are not reproduced immediately above 22 kHz which allows an audio filter to be used that distorts the audio below 22 kHz much less. Other bogus features like bit streaming, 18-bits and so on are there just to make you buy the equipment. Essentially CD audio is perfect to our human ears. Lets hope there aren't any cats or dogs on this mailing list... So why do we have 32-bit sound cards...? Ian. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philipp_Schmidt@bmge.com Subject: (kw) misc Date: 07 Jul 1997 11:22:54 -0400 1 The Virgin Megastore on Times Square in New York carries a Kraftwerk Autobahn Picture Disc for about 30$. It was made in Mexico. Any info on that disc ??? 2 Could someone put together a list of the most common Kraftwerk-albums with ballpark figures about reasonable prices for used vinyl, please. I am always so excited, when I see some Kraftwerk I don't have, that I sometimes wonder (unfortunately afterwards) if I just paid too much .... 3 If you put Kraftwerk audio files on your web-sites, please use the MPEG3 format. It is not streamable yet (I believe) but the quality is excellent. Compared to other formats it also offers reasonable file-size. A 3min single can be compressed to a 4 MB file in (almost)CD-quality. Maybe someone could actually put up Nexus' CD on his/her web site - for the people that did not get it ... for whatever reason. Philipp. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: webmaster Subject: Re: (kw) misc Date: 07 Jul 1997 17:41:42 +0200 >someone could actually put up Nexus' CD on his/her web site... I'm working on it but not right now. First I have to burn some CDs, but when I'm ready I'll put them on http://kraftwerk.ml.org More info later. /gunnar ---------------------"You're so close but far away"--------------------- * http://kraftwerk.ml.org News, Files, Links * * webmaster@kraftwerk.ml.org and some Boom Tschak * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Date: 07 Jul 1997 12:09:33 -0400 Message text written by Ian West >So why do we have 32-bit sound cards...?< I think that is totally unrelated to the sample rate of the sound itself,= merely, the # of bits in the system processor, and the interface slot arrangement. jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LM Subject: Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Date: 07 Jul 1997 09:20:33 -0700 Ian West wrote: > So why do we have 32-bit sound cards...? We don't! Those so called "32-bit" sound card are actually called "something 32" because they're supposed to have a 32-voice MIDI wavetable synthesizer. While there are some truly 18-bit or 20-bit cards, those are the most expensive pro and semi-pro models, and usually cost several hundred dollars. |_ |\/| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: Re: (kw) Man-Machine font. Date: 07 Jul 1997 18:45:44 +0200 Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > However, you will notice that the letter "N" in "MAN" does not > have this split in it, whilst the "N" in "MACHINE" does. Furthermore, the > "A" in "MAN" and the "A" in "MACHINE" appear to be different character > widths, suggesting that the lettering was stenciled by hand rather than by > using an actual uniform font. > Similarly, those of you with the German version of this album will > note the same trend, this time with the letter "E". The "E" in "MENSCH" > appears unsplit in full form, while the "E" in "MASCHINE" does contain the > split down its center. If you look at the word "Kraftwerk" on the Man/Mensch-Ma(s)chine album and its related 7" and 12"es (Robots, Model) you will find that the two "R's" are different as well. The first "R" has ha little... oh, how could I explain this? Check your sleeves instead :-) /Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:12:53 +-200 Date: 07 Jul 1997 11:14:57 -0600 Dear Werkers!! Could someone please tell me where to find a "Complete" discography? Including official stuff as well as bootleg stuff. Uffe _________________________________________________________________________ Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ # Peektime viewing blown in a flash, as I burn into your memory cells# ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Hello All!!! Date: 07 Jul 1997 19:21:00 +0100 At last, something fresh on this list ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:12:53 +-200 Date: 07 Jul 1997 18:31:42 +0200 silverup@algonet.se (Uffe Silverup),internet writes:=20 =20 >Could someone please tell me where to find a "Complete" discography?=20 =20 >Including official stuff as well as bootleg stuff.=20 =20 Try: http://home.t-online.de/home/Zaepke/discogra.htm=20 =20 at Klaus Zaepke's online library ! ! !=20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk on AMP ???? (or The end of the world as we Date: 07 Jul 1997 00:40:36 -0700 >Is it my imagination or did I see Kraftwerk on amp. It sounded like >some trance dribble typical of the style . Definitely not what one >should expect from the boys in Dusseldorf. If it was them ,it is >definitley the end of their music career (or at least the part that we >all love them for). Lets all just hope it was a typo on the name >listing. What you more than likely saw was the song 'Deranged In Space' by Kraftwelt. They are a tribute band who perform very digilog style pieces. The album 'Electric Dimension' is very good, but the single for 'Deranged In Space' is incredible. True, it is not "Kraftwerkian" to the point of directly emulating K, but all of the elements of minimalism are there. The Amp has played the video where K are turning around a large machine, pluggin things in and out all over. What song was that, I only caught a few moments of the visuals? Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: (kw) Re: Cleopatra/Capitol Date: 07 Jul 1997 00:32:55 -0700 > While on the subject of the Cleopatra re-issues, I find it >appropriate to mention that while CD shopping, I recently came across >a >version of Cleopatra's 'Radio-Activity' CD with slightly different >packaging >than their original 1992 re-issue of this disc. Those of you who >either own >or have seen that one will recall it's green-tinted cover photo of the >original album cover and enlarged 'KRAFTWERK' logo. Well, the new >packaging It is exactly the same as the Black and White version that is currently released. I own the green one and compared it with a friend. The sound quality is too similar to distinguish them. I personally prefer the green for asthetic reasons. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings Date: 07 Jul 1997 00:23:35 -0700 >somebody know if K themselves uses pc and/or mac? I have never seen >the >usual visual signs that show the use of a mac (the San Francisco font, >the >typical screen layout etc.), but I don't know why, it seem to me to >have >seen a mac in one of their stages. I could be obviously all wrong >anyway. >maybe it was just an Akai sampler that I see used by many musicians I >know >with a mac sequencer. > >or do they use other types of computers? From the book 'Man Machine and Music' by Pascal Bussy, he states that they use "computers". Hutter has even remarked about the computer controller that each member would use remotely. Somehow, I get the strange impression that they are using either: a) Atari's running Steinburg's Cubase or somesuch. or b) Very propriatary system not unlike Unix in which they have learned to program and modify the software themselves. and finally c) Elektric Music uses Macs as I've heard (is this wrong?) so it is very likely that Kraftwerk uses Macs. d) PC's are not "super" midi controllers... I use one myself, but simply cannot believe that they are as well. : ) Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Morper Subject: Re: (kw) drum machine help me..... Date: 07 Jul 1997 19:59:56 -0200 At 17:30 06.07.1997 -0600, you wrote: >I don't know how KW did it, but here are two ways you might want to go. I think the original "KW-Drums" were even simpler than this. As the drum-sticks had cables coming out from their ends they propably weren't "ordinary" sticks but part of a circuit that closed when the (metal) top of stick touched the (metal) pad. Bye, Tomasz NP: Panasonic - Paine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Morper Subject: (kw) KW's Computers Date: 07 Jul 1997 19:59:52 -0200 At 17:08 06.07.1997 +0200, you wrote: >somebody know if K themselves uses pc and/or mac? >or do they use other types of computers? Rather interesting. I've thought about this, too. a) They only use computers they've constructed themselves because they couldn't find anything that fits their needs b) They need the perfect machine, so they use workstations from DEC, SGI or SUN c) They use Win95. What?! Yes, it fits perfectly to the style of their album covers or their videos as P.Bussy described it: Win95 contains something old and something new Hmm... maybe my interpretations shouldn't be taken too seriously :) Bye, Tomasz NP: Panasonic - Hapatus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings Date: 07 Jul 1997 14:24:20 -0400 (EDT) I could'n't agree more regarding the merits of analog sound and vinyl. There is a presence and sense of three-dimensionality that sounds utterly incredible on a good high end system. I've been saying this for a while on this board, and now, finally, someone else has said it too! Just listen to an LP of Computerwelt or Die Mensch Maschine or a good (original U.S. Vertigo, others) pressing of Autobahn, and you'll hear what I mean--the sound is stunning, awesome, with remarkable detail and subtlety as well as effortless dynamic power. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Nothing to talk about/Flame Wars Date: 07 Jul 1997 12:24:26 -0700 -(Craig Land sez:)- > Now that this [TG] has all past, I feel that we are all in a state of > depression. Das ist korrekt! > I feel that there are those on this list which deliver a great deal, > even if it is a snipet of info., like Klaus, Nexus, Jules, Rich, > Kevin Busby, Ian Calder, ROBOT, etc., etc., etc.,............ well, I try.... > So lets stop dwelling on the negative and use ours minds to deliver > something positive. AMEN!! Speaking of "TidBits": yeah, I notice on the M.M cover that 1 "R" in KRAFTWERK has a "serif" and the other doesn't. Uniformity vs. Non-Uniformity?? go figure. Somebody Emailed me and said I should watch AMP because they play KW videos "all the time".*sigh*. I wish that were true! -(Sorry, I was weeding out my old Email and accident'ly deleted a few NEW messages as well. bummer. If anyone has Emailed me in the past few days and received no reply, please write again. I'm having a bit of problems "condensing" my Email folders. 'Taking up too much disk space.)- I know they played Model on AMP a few months ago, but, I missed it, and they played ROBOTS on the night of 24-May-'97, co-inciding with TG. Hm-m-m.... Oh, yeah, Kraftwelt "Deranged in Space" is pretty KooL- but, they ain't KRAFTWERK! BTW: I was contacted a few weeks ago by a guy named Robert Schmeltzer -(sp?)- asking about compiling some KW videos. He said he lived here in the Eureka, Calif area, and I responded twice, but, he's not answering. If there ARE any Local Listoids, I'd sure like to meet 'em! So, Herr Schmeltzer, if you're on the List, KYTE me, Dude! I wont BYTE. Honest. Oh, if anyone wants a "Flame Wars Report", resulting in Brucie's demise, just ask. It totals 9 printed pages of compiled messages. Yes, it's long- but, it's hilarious! -(I just found out he's 6'4", 400 lbs, with a Fanatcal Fat Fetish! I'm not kidding! Ask for his URL if ya don't believe me.[*GAG-BARF*]. I'll stick with my ROBOT Fetish, thank you!)- Sorry to get "personal" on the List, but, we could all use a bit of levity, eh? Let's keep Positive thoughts! Email me so we can chat about off-list stuff! :] ROBOSMILEY ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Thoughs on Karlsruhe Gig..... Date: 07 Jul 1997 18:10:37 -0400 Hi to all Thanks to all the people(Klaus etc.) who found out the info about the Karlsruhe gig and posted it. This is exactly the kind of info we need, and this makes this list very useful. I doubt that anyone of you has heard or read about it somewhere else...this makes it a list-exclusive news item! Ok, this Karlsruhe gig makes me think a little. A lot of people travelled= from far away to see KW at Tribal Gathering, possibly their one and only gig for a long time, = we were led to believe... After revelling in the good press they got from all over the world (I mea= n, even the New York Times sent a reviewer...!) they now announce another gig in Germany.... A= nd maybe later a fully fledged world tour...who knows! If they had announced that before= TG the "mass-hysteria" would have been much more on a smaller scale, I believe. Do not misunderstand me....this is no complaint at all, just a thought of= mine. For my part I enjoyed them at TG tremendously.....and now I might get another change to see them, since Karlsruhe is more or less only a stone*s throw away from me..... = :-) I think Ralf & Florian are THE definitive masters at maintaining their aura of mysteriousm and building hype. That is maybe one of the reasons w= e all love them so much.... Anybody agree???? Cheers Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Date: 08 Jul 1997 00:42:31 +0200 > Believe it or not 16 bits is good enough. If you have perfect > hearing the dynamic range (the ratio of the loudest sound to the > quietest sound) of your ears is 96 dB. With a bit of arithmetic on > the back of an envelope (log(10^(96/20))/log(2)) it turns out that you > only need 15.95 bits per sample to achieve 96 dB of dynamic range. This is not quite true. The human ear resolution is around 120 dB, or 20 bits (Roads, 1996). > A sample rate of 44.1 kHz is enough to represent audio > frequencies up to but not including 22.05 kHz. Again with perfect > hearing you might hear up to around 16 kHz if you're lucky. Also this is not quite true. According to some studies several people hear information in the region around 20kHz and frequencies above 22kHz have impact of both a physiological and subjective nature (Oohashi et al. 1991). A sample rate of 44.1kHz also proves insufficient because it requires that all sounds above 11kHz be nothing other that sine waves, since the harmonic content would exceed the 22.05kHz or Nyquist frequency. As you may recall, the second harmonic of a 12kHz complex tone is 24kHz, which is beyond 22.05kHz, meaning that the sound will not be reproduced as originally recorded. One other problem is that aliasing may occur, but this is an effect prevented by anti-aliasing filters on the dacs. > IMHO, the best CD players to look for are those that do > oversampling (4 times, 8 times etc.). Oversampling is when repeated > sound samples are played back at a higher rate to "fill in the gaps". > This means that repeated images of the audio sprectrum are not > reproduced immediately above 22 kHz which allows an audio filter to be > used that distorts the audio below 22 kHz much less. > Other bogus features like bit streaming, 18-bits and so on are there > just to make you buy the equipment. This is not true. Bitstream technology avoids some of the limitations of multibit oversampling, namely the amount of information that is to be processed, by measuring only the differences between successive samples rather than storing the entire sample width. It is possible to obtain results similar to 128x oversampling with bitstream technology, which is something hard to obtain with multibit processing. Also, 18 bits of processing enlarges the linearity of the response, since a 16-bit system is not linear over all its range, and making use of an extra two bits of processing may provide the necessary headroom to guarantee 16-bit linearity. > Essentially CD audio is perfect to our human ears. Lets hope > there aren't any cats or dogs on this mailing list... CD audio is not perfect, otherwise the striving audio industry would not be flooded with 18-, 20- or 24-bit processing, even if in the end all of it is to be downsampled to 16-bits. Also, the quality of CD-audio is only a matter of taste, subject to everyone's demands; it is quite an experience to hear a good vinyl recording on a high-end system. A CD of the same work, even if heard on a high-end system, is quite behind in aural pleasure. Best regards. -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Date: 07 Jul 1997 18:18:33 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Ian West wrote: > Believe it or not 16 bits is good enough. If you have perfect > hearing the dynamic range (the ratio of the loudest sound to the > quietest sound) of your ears is 96 dB. With a bit of arithmetic on the > back of an envelope (log(10^(96/20))/log(2)) it turns out that you only > need 15.95 bits per sample to achieve 96 dB of dynamic range. I'm not 16 bits is certainly good, but I think the recording quality should slightly exceed what we're capable of hearing. Some people's ears are better than others. > A sample rate of 44.1 kHz is enough to represent audio > frequencies up to but not including 22.05 kHz. Again with perfect > hearing you might hear up to around 16 kHz if you're lucky. I could hear much higher when I was younger. I can still easily hear 15+ KHz, because I can hear television sets' horizontal retrace. But suppose your dog is an audiophile? It would notice the difference a higher sampling rate makes. ;) > IMHO, the best CD players to look for are those that do > oversampling (4 times, 8 times etc.). Oversampling is when repeated > sound samples are played back at a higher rate to "fill in the gaps". > This means that repeated images of the audio sprectrum are not > reproduced immediately above 22 kHz which allows an audio filter to be > used that distorts the audio below 22 kHz much less. Other bogus I didn't know that. But instead of repeating the same sample, why don't they interpolate between the two main samples? > features like bit streaming, 18-bits and so on are there just to make > you buy the equipment. I'm told that the ones with 1-bit DACs are the best. True? > So why do we have 32-bit sound cards...? Aren't they just stereo 16-bit with a PCI bus? I love my sound card. I have a Gravis Ultrasound. Up to 14 channels at CD quality, 32 at reduced sampling rates. Hardware mixing so it doesn't eat up CPU time. It has its own memory bank for samples, and does interpolation on sounds sampled at less than 44.1KHz. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) drum machine help me..... Date: 07 Jul 1997 18:23:11 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Thomas Morper wrote: > >I don't know how KW did it, but here are two ways you might want to go. > > I think the original "KW-Drums" were even simpler than this. As the > drum-sticks had cables coming out from their ends they propably weren't > "ordinary" sticks but part of a circuit that closed when the (metal) top of > stick touched the (metal) pad. Yeah, the original poster pointed that out. We've gotten into a private exchange about his drum machine project. Funny I didn't think of that the first time. It makes much more sense. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Date: 07 Jul 1997 18:41:30 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Paulo Mouat wrote: > > hearing the dynamic range (the ratio of the loudest sound to the > > quietest sound) of your ears is 96 dB. With a bit of arithmetic on > This is not quite true. The human ear resolution is around 120 dB, or > 20 bits (Roads, 1996). It's still a generalization though. It's good when you're young, and degrades as you get old. > A sample rate of 44.1kHz also proves insufficient because it requires > that all sounds above 11kHz be nothing other that sine waves, since the > harmonic content would exceed the 22.05kHz or Nyquist frequency. I hadn't though of that. Very good point, though those harmonics would mostly be out of the hearing range. > CD audio is not perfect, otherwise the striving audio industry would not > be flooded with 18-, 20- or 24-bit processing, even if in the end all of > it is to be downsampled to 16-bits. Also, the quality of CD-audio is Does anyone know if a standard for DVD-audio has been established yet? Given the capacity of the disks, even at single-density, I would think we'd be able to get truly excessive quality with the same album length. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Thoughs on Karlsruhe Gig..... Date: 07 Jul 1997 21:18:37 -0400 > I think Ralf & Florian are THE definitive masters at maintaining their >aura of mysteriousm and building hype. That is maybe one of the reasons we >all love them so much.... Anybody agree???? Agreed, by far the definitive masters of musical mystery, only to be outdone by their music itself. I think it'd be great that KW play in Karlsruhe even though I'm all the way over here in New York City. The more shows they play, the more hope I'll keep alive that I still might get to see them someday!! Then life will be complete. :-) -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Sogar die gr=F6ssten Stars..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Electronic and OMD Date: 07 Jul 1997 22:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Electronic's 1996 release, 'Raise The Pressure' credits Karl Bartos on keyboards. more specifically, Karl is noted as having co-wrtitten the following tracks from this release: track 1 : forbidden city track 2 : for you track 5 : until the end of time track 7 : if you've got love track 12 : how long track 13 : time can tell personally, i don't like this cd. it's a little too, um, organic (for lack of a better word) and overly-seasoned with 'gospel' -sounding back vocals, and a bit too much guitar. it doesn't include the type of mechanistic precision one would expect from a collaborative effort from bartos. but that's only MY 'opinion', for what it's worth. hope this helps. (sorry, i don't know anything about karl's contribution to omd's '96 release). ta! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings #3 Date: 07 Jul 1997 17:40:33 -0400 On Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:09:37 -0400 (EDT) ManMachn2@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 97-07-07 04:12:37 EDT, you write: > ><< > Actually, KW released 3 albums since digital recording became >available. > The first digitally recorded rock album was released in 1978. Peace. >>> > >what was it? I can't say offhand, but I remember reading about that info in an issue of Tower Records' "Pulse!" magazine years ago. If I see the cover, I'll remember it. I do distinctly remember the date. It was some nasty guitar rock, and I don't listen to traditional rock music at all. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: RE: (kw) Electronic and OMD Date: 08 Jul 1997 06:56:23 +0200 Hi all, >hope this helps. (sorry, i don't know anything about karl's contribution to >omd's '96 release). Karl Bartos contribution to last OMD album "Universal" is only for one track, THE MOON & AND THE SUN... It=B4s a good pop song with guitars and traditional percusi=F3n but include too some melancolic synthetic chords that remeber me to KRAFTWERK (IMHO). I like this song. Regards. Rafa deckard@arrakis.es http://www.arrakis.es/~deckard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) LFO and Karl Bartos collaboration Date: 08 Jul 1997 07:25:25 +0200 Hello again, Talking about collaborations... Some years ago (1991?) I heard that Karl Bartos was working with LFO. Anybody in the list knows something about that interesting collaboration? Thanks in advance! Rafa deckard@arrakis.es http://www.arrakis.es/~deckard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leon Mols Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig..... Date: 08 Jul 1997 07:28:34 +0200 Info on how to get tickets for the 18/oct/1997 Karlsruge concert will be available in about a week on http://www.ticketworld.de (at least, so I was told). Leon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SeJ@asu.edu Subject: (kw) Question Date: 07 Jul 1997 23:53:24 -0700 (MST) Awhile ago I bought a tribute to Kraftwerk, can't recall the name. It was o.k. nothing to get too excited about. But I was told that a second volume came out, wondered if any of you had heard about it or actually listened to it. Haven't hit the record stores it quite some time, it gets too damn hot here in the summer to even go out in yer car sometimes. thanks... . * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." Subject: (kw) The real Tour De France Date: 07 Jul 1997 23:50:33 -0700 ** Lycos Europe Provides Navigation For Most Comprehensive Tour De France Web Site Premier European Internet navigation center company Lycos-Bertelsmann Inc. unveiled its joint effort with multi-media company World Media Live as VeloCity focuses minute-by-minute coverage on the Tour de France bicycle race. The cycling super site is found at http://www.worldmedialive.com/velo . I bring this up for 2 reasons: 1.) This "seems" like a better site than what Kraftwerk's site linked to ( http://www.letour.com ). 2.) Tour De France paraphenalia and a CD-ROM called "The Tour Saga" is available for purchase. Which leads me to the next question... I wonder if clips of KW's TDF is on the disk? mmmmm Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hiroshi MURATA Subject: (kw) Radioaktivitaet Lyrics on TG97 Date: 08 Jul 1997 16:16:03 +0900 Hi 'Werkers, I'm afraid but I seem to have difficulty in listening to Ralf & Florian's words. :-( I mean, when they played "Radioaktivitaet" in Tribal Gathering 1997, they spoke some message right before the musical track. I'm really curious what they said. I can only identify some keywords such as "radioactivity", "eighty five" and "skin cancer." Could any one of you please help us and tell us what they said? 8-) Thanks in advance, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo, Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Intro and opinion Date: 07 Jul 1997 11:04:08 -0700 >One silly question, i'm a bike fanatic and i wonder if someone knows >if there is a Kraftwerk maillot and hou much is it. >Maillot is a ciclyng t-shirt Yes, that would be great to have! I'm new into cycling myself. As I understand, Hutter wears typically all black gear. Is that still true? Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Question Date: 08 Jul 1997 00:53:32 -0700 >Awhile ago I bought a tribute to Kraftwerk, can't recall the name. It >was >o.k. nothing to get too excited about. But I was told that a second >volume came out, wondered if any of you had heard about it or actually Perhaps what you had was 'Transwerk Express'? There is a second volume, here is the track listing: Intro, Airwave, Ruckzuck, Man Machine, Sex Object, Tour De France, Numbers, Pocket Calculator, Komentenmelodie. I personally like the first one better, although these are very creative reditions as well. If anyone is interested it's CLP9904-2, Hypnotic records, a division of Cleopatra. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) misc Date: 08 Jul 1997 00:33:51 -0700 >>someone could actually put up Nexus' CD on his/her web site... > >I'm working on it but not right now. First I have to burn some >CDs, but when I'm ready I'll put them on http://kraftwerk.ml.org I'm new to this newsgroup. What is Nexus' CD all about? Do you sound like, or are inspired by K? Are there samples available for d/l anywhere right now? Thanks. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig..... Date: 08 Jul 1997 04:16:04 -0400 Message text written by Leon Mols >Info on how to get tickets for the 18/oct/1997 Karlsruge concert will be= available in about a week on http://www.ticketworld.de (at least, so I was told).< Werkers, Could somebnody give an idea where exactly Karlsruhe is in Germany, and what is the closest airport, I will be returning from a holiday in California on 17th Oct, and I might be able to extend it, and detour to Karlsruhe.... hehe. I'm sure I'll get the arrangements made perfectly, then R&F will cancel......... Hey, eurodroids, what abaout ACTUALLY having a meeting this time?? Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) Radioaktivitaet Lyrics on TG97 Date: 08 Jul 1997 10:24:18 +0200 At 04:16 PM 7/8/97 +0900, Hiroshi MURATA wrote: > >Hi 'Werkers, > >I'm afraid but I seem to have difficulty in listening to Ralf & >Florian's words. :-( > >I mean, when they played "Radioaktivitaet" in Tribal Gathering >1997, they spoke some message right before the musical track. >I'm really curious what they said. >I can only identify some keywords such as "radioactivity", >"eighty five" and "skin cancer." > >Could any one of you please help us and tell us what they said? 8-) > >Thanks in advance, > >Hiroshi. > The text is: "Sellafield Two will produce seven-point-five tons of plutonium every year. One-point-five kilogram of plutonium make the nuclear bomb. Sellafield Two will release the same amount of radio-activity in to the environment as Tsjernobyl every four-and-a-half years. One of these radio-active substances, Krypton eigty-five, will cause death and skin-cancer." Think about it. Laterz, Statik. -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Question Date: 08 Jul 1997 09:28:31 +0000 Or could it be the 'All In A Days Werk', with tracks by Eskimo's In Egypt etc? Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig..... Date: 08 Jul 1997 10:29:31 +0200 Julian scribbled: > >Hey, eurodroids, what abaout ACTUALLY having a meeting this time?? > Yes, I'd REALLY like that! Where's that T-Shirt making guy again?? Let's get together and see what faces are attached to the names of the listmembers! Laterz, Johan. -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) LFO and Karl Bartos collaboration Date: 08 Jul 1997 01:18:32 -0700 >Talking about collaborations... >Some years ago (1991?) I heard that Karl Bartos was >working > with LFO. Anybody in the list knows something > about > that > interesting collaboration? "Releasing their bass-heavy debut "Frequencies" CD in 1991 to universal acclaim, LFO were silent for the next five years, with rumors of a follow-up surfacing from time to time failing to produce anything. Reportedly working with early Depeche Mode member Alan Wilder and Karl Bartos of Kraftwerk (none of that material's ever seen light), LFO finally resurfaced in 1995 with the ironically titled "Tied Up," followed several months later by Advance. The group have also recently remixed tracks for Bjork and the Sabres of Paradise." Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Harald Westphal) Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig..... Date: 08 Jul 1997 13:06:34 +0200 (CES) According to Julian Seifert: > Could somebnody give an idea where exactly Karlsruhe is in Germany, and > what is the closest airport, I will be returning from a holiday in > California on 17th Oct, and I might be able to extend it, and detour to > Karlsruhe.... Have a look at the official web pages of the city of Karlsruhe, especially the page "Arrival at Karlsruhe": http://www.karlsruhe.de/Stadtraum/Tourismus/anr_en.htm -- Harald Westphal *** eMail Harald.Westphal@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de -- "Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, programmier' die Zukunft mir." -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 08 Jul 1997 13:04:27 -0700 Still on the "are 16 bits enough" debate I'd like to say that despite having listened to some very good CD players, most of my best aural experiences have been had with analogue turntables, wich are only dwarfed by open reel decks with master tapes (anyone wanna give me a Revox?). CDs have one problem that most people are not aware of: they oxidate even if you don't use them & take good care of them. A CD you buy today will sound worse in a few years whereas vinyl will, again with the best care, remain the same. It's a pity they degrade so fast by use though. Anyway there's no way I'll part with my Linn... Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 08 Jul 1997 06:07:07 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Rui Inacio wrote: > Still on the "are 16 bits enough" debate I'd like to say that despite > having listened to some very good CD players, most of my best aural > experiences have been had with analogue turntables, wich are only I can't honestly say I've heard a top-notch record player, but I prefer CDs. > CDs have one problem that most people are not aware of: they oxidate > even if you don't use them & take good care of them. A CD you buy today But they're plastic-coated. How can that be? /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 08 Jul 1997 08:27:27 -0400 >A CD you buy today >will sound worse in a few years What are a few years? I heard of that too, but have not noticed anything = about that. I expect the technology to be outdated and not available = anymore (10 years or so) and the medium still to be ok. That is, what always happens to storage devices. Player is gone, but the = medium still lives. Take 10 year old floppies, take the 8track, take syquest 44 MB media or = wait two years from now and take a look at syquest 270 MB medias. All = will still function in 10 years or so, but you have no player to use = them... So, let my CDs die in a few years and I am shure, I will get something = superior, which will last another 20 years or so. Ok, I see your point, if treated in a good way, records will work for a = longer time, but then again, in 10 years or so, buying a record player = will be very expensive... regards Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) KW and German Language Date: 08 Jul 1997 14:45:14 +0200 At 11:15 07/07/97 -0400, you wrote: >that "ich" is pronounced closer to "ick" than "ish..." yet I only hear ralf >say "ish.." maybe this is because Ralf want to sound polite. i'm Italian so I should not pontificate over it (and I wait for confirmation from the .de listies), anyway I lived for a while in Berlin and some of my relatives are very well proficient in german. I was told that the most elegant pronounce is the one that say "ish". in Berlin they say "ick", but this is sometime considered unpolite, think about it like "yes" and "yeah". Berlin accent anyway is not considered very well amongst purists, as well as southern germanic speaking zones accents. I refer just what I'm told, no offence to anyone! :-)) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Question Date: 08 Jul 1997 09:26:50 EDT On Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:53:24 -0700 (MST) SeJ@asu.edu writes: >Awhile ago I bought a tribute to Kraftwerk, can't recall the name. It >was >o.k. nothing to get too excited about. But I was told that a second >volume came out, wondered if any of you had heard about it or actually > >listened to it. Haven't hit the record stores it quite some time, it >gets >too damn hot here in the summer to even go out in yer car sometimes. >thanks... > > . > > * what u have is trancewerk express I, and yes, trancewerk express II is out on cleopatra...but, i disliked the first one so much theres no way in hell id get the second...sorry... tom w np: afx - classics # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tobi Subject: Re: (kw) KW and German Language Date: 08 Jul 1997 15:20:11 +0100 Whether polite or not: the german word 'ich' is generally pronounced neither 'ick' nor 'ish' but in a way that is hard to describe, especially without being able to use some phonetic characters. Just think you have to cough or a pain in your throat, this probably gets into the direction of the 'ch'... :-) In south germany many people might say only 'i' [ee:] and I doubt that one should consider one pronounciation as more polite than another one. Actually, there is a variety of german dialects that makes the people who pronounce like the words are written look like another dialect minority (sorry for that, all you folks from Hannover...). That Ralf pronounces 'ich' like 'ish' (although I think he says 'ich' on 'Taschenrechner') I suggest is coming from the dialect that is spoken in and around Dusseldorf. Er, how did I get to this topic? Aye, me some smart-ass! ;-) tobi@nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Morper Subject: Re: (kw) KW and German Language Date: 08 Jul 1997 15:33:21 -0200 At 11:15 07.07.1997 -0400, you wrote: >most of the people I know who speak german or whatnot tell me >that "ich" is pronounced closer to "ick" than "ish..." yet I only hear ralf >say "ish.." Despite their perfectionalism KW sometimes can't get rid of their nice little accent that lets "ch" sound like "sch" - that's why you only hear "ish" Bye, Tomasz NP: - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Memory3@aol.com Subject: (kw) People who sample kraftwerk Date: 08 Jul 1997 09:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Since we have been discussing Karl Bartos a bit here I may add that he did a remix of the kraftwerk ripoff "planet rock". I have now heard kraftwerk samples by the following groups.....Information society, Afrika Bambaata (planet rock), LA Dream Team, Hooverphonic, Anything Box, Biz Markie, Future Sound of London, Chemical Brothers and even a local rap group. Anyone have any to add to this list? Ted # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) CD: How old can you grow Date: 08 Jul 1997 14:45:15 -0700 > What are a few years? This question has been discussed in the Hi-Fi world for some years now without everyone agreeing. I'd say that it depends also (and a lot!) on the quality of the materials used. I have a few CDs that are about 12 years old and although our... how shall I call it? Aural memory (?) can be tricky they sound harsher and bass is lighter now. > I expect the technology to be outdated and not available > anymore (10 years or so) and the medium still to be ok. > That is, what always happens to storage devices. Player is gone, but the > medium still lives. > Take 10 year old floppies, take the 8track, take syquest 44 MB media or > wait two years from now and take a look at syquest 270 MB medias. True, but remember that in the world of consumer electronics things don't change THAT fast. The average citizen will not buy it (no pun intended). > So, let my CDs die in a few years and I am shure, I will get something > superior, which will last another 20 years or so. Ok, but I find that annoying. What about all those rare collectable CDs we have? We may be able to convert them to whatever format comes along but among other things that spells extra costs. > in 10 years or so, buying a record player > will be very expensive... It is already, because most of what is available are the good (read expensive) ones, and that is understandable, I mean, if I wanted to buy a turntable now I'd go for the best possible because that would surely be the last. Rui Inacio P.S. About that Revox... I'm still taking offers... anyone? ;) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ralphm@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 08 Jul 1997 10:03:36 -0400 >>A CD you buy today >>will sound worse in a few years > >What are a few years? I heard of that too, but have not noticed anything >about that. A few years must be more than 11 or 12. At least that's how long it has been since I bought my very first CD (Computer World). I take very good care of my CD's and records. My experience is that CD's are a bit better than vinyl. (Emphasis on 'MY EXPERIENCE') Even though I take excellent care of them, I still get scratches and dust on both mediums. The difference I notice is that the CD sounds generally the same although I may not have the best hearing. On the other hand, vinyl usually has the cracks and pops with the collection of dust and scratches. I won't argue which is better sound wise, that definitely comes down to personal taste. Since the market (in the U.S.) is flooded with CD's and they are easily used in your auto, home, in a walkman, etc., I will stick with buying a CD over vinyl. I won't get rid of my turn table or my records. I still like to listen them when I have a chance. Besides, there are things you can only get on vinyl. Ralph # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) LFO and Karl Bartos collaboration Date: 08 Jul 1997 10:21:22 -0400 (EDT) i just looked back at my copies of 'frequencies' (which was in fact released 1991), and 'advance'...no karl there. but since you mentioned it, it does ring a bell with me. seems like i remember a rumor that bartos was working with LFO at some point...hm. if you find out anything, let me know! ta. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) cd degrading quality Date: 08 Jul 1997 16:24:36 +0200 >CDs have one problem that most people are not aware of: they oxidate >even if you don't use them & take good care of them. A CD you buy today >will sound worse in a few years whereas vinyl will, again with the best are you sure about that? I don't want to doubt your words, and I have never listened a very good hi-fi nor I have a first class auditive sense, anyway I have very old cd and they seem to play very well... I remember to have read some like that, expecially concerning the future of data stored on cd-roms, but they were talking of much longer time than some year... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) drum machine help me..... Date: 08 Jul 1997 16:24:23 +0200 >> I think the original "KW-Drums" were even simpler than this. As the >> drum-sticks had cables coming out from their ends they propably weren't >> "ordinary" sticks but part of a circuit that closed when the (metal) top of >> stick touched the (metal) pad. I am sure of this because this is the first ever image of Kraftwerk I ever see. It was the video of Radioactivity playing on the national Italian tv channel in a show of very unusual things. and this image really struck me because in that period I was 14 and was playing a lot with those simple electronic construction kits, older smart friends were radioamateurs, and instaed of homepages they'll show you that special postcards they send between themselves to confirm they heared you transmission. then again, I thought (and I still think), there should be something in the playback, because how can you obtain the modulation of the white noise that sound just after the song's main theme (the pizzicato riff) by just scratching a metal surface? you eventually could produce scratching distorted song, like the descending scale of the song just before Antenna... :-) in the same period I bought a little booklet about simple electronic musical devices form a series of do it yourself in electronic (maybe the german listies will know it because the authors were all german) in which it was explained, amongst other things, how to build a simple monophonic keyboard with heavy copper wires hanging over those large head nails you use in the leather chair... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) AMP ???? Date: 08 Jul 1997 16:24:40 +0200 >>Is it my imagination or did I see Kraftwerk on amp. It sounded like what is Amp? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 08 Jul 1997 16:24:38 +0200 >That is, what always happens to storage devices. Player is gone, but the >medium still lives. I can agree with you mex, anyway vinyl is a notably exception: I remember to have listenend to vinyls from the first time I can recollect my memories, now I'm 33, I am sure people was listening to them even before :-), and I just went shopping with a friend that's an hi-fi freak to buy a turntable... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Radioaktivitaet Lyrics on TG97 Date: 08 Jul 1997 15:34:46 +0000 Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl>:- >The text is: > >"Sellafield Two will produce seven-point-five tons of plutonium every year. [...] >Think about it. People already did: Sellafield 2 was cancelled! Kevin PS Sellafield 1 remains, in this otherwise very beautiful area of Britain. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 08 Jul 1997 11:09:01 -0400 >I take very good care of my CD's and records. My experience is that CD's >are a bit better than vinyl. (Emphasis on 'MY EXPERIENCE') From 'my experience' with these mediums and also an added dose of my own personal aesthetics thrown in for good measure, I am inclined to agree with your point of view regarding vinyl vs. CD. >Even though I take excellent care of them, I still get scratches and dust >on both mediums. The difference I notice is that the CD sounds generally >the same although I may not have the best hearing. On the other hand, vinyl >usually has the cracks and pops with the collection of dust and scratches. As far as durability and duration goes, my vote definitely goes to CD hands down. I've never owned a CD which suffered from scratches or skipping, and perhaps I'm lucky in that regard. On the other hand, I remember the first time I played my brand new vinyl copy of 'Trans-Europe Express' (just out of the cellophane) and the first 20 seconds of "Europe Endless" contained clearly audible pops and crackles which disturbed the overall listening experience, particularly since that track starts out so quiet to begin with. >I won't argue which is better sound wise, that definitely comes down to >personal taste. As far as quality and sound are concerned, I'd be hard-pressed to pick favorites. I can definitely appreciate the warmth that vinyl has to offer, often causing a track to bring new life to a song which had only been listened to on CD prior. I remember when I heard "Radio-Activity" for the first time on the vinyl medium and I was moved to hear how big and rich the metallic industrial snares boomed through the speakers. In my opinion, this is where the CD really does falter. While the CD delivers a much cleaner and precise recording, there is an inevitable coldness that prevails which lacks a certain "emotional" or "organic" quality. >Since the market (in the U.S.) is flooded with CD's and >they are easily used in your auto, home, in a walkman, etc., I will stick >with buying a CD over vinyl. I won't get rid of my turn table or my >records. I still like to listen them when I have a chance. Besides, there >are things you can only get on vinyl. Good point. I'll keep my two turntables as well, or at least as long as they continue working. :) However, one negative thing about vinyl from my experience has been that not all turntables operate at exactly the same speeds. For instance, I have a Magnavox stereo/turntable in my studio that plays records slightly too slow. It's more noticeable on some tracks than others, but definitely annoying. I also own an old Dynavox stereo/turntable which plays things at what would appear to be the appropriate speed, while a friend of mine has one that plays records just a tad too fast. Even audio cassettes experience this speed problem, based on the stereo/walkman the tape is being played in. CDs don't have this speed discrepancy, which makes them a bit more appealing to me. When the music industry decides that CDs are old hat and it's time to move on to a new and more advanced medium, I'll be somewhat irked at the thought of having to collect the music all over again. Sure I'll keep all my old KW vinyl, cassettes, and CDs, as well as their respective playing devices, but damn what a task it'll be to start all over again from scratch! The price of being a collector is high indeed, but that's something I imagine KW fans know all too well :-) -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "We're charging our turntable..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 08 Jul 1997 16:26:08 +0000 My additional comments on the vinyl vs. CD thing, is that when I have auditioned CD's which are remastered from original analogue sources in high end systems, the results are not pleasing at all. I remember trying to listen to a track by Japan called 'Ghosts' (acoustic version) on CD through a very hi-end system, well over ten thousand pounds worth, and the hiss was unbearable. When I put the original vinyl on the turntable, the difference was outstanding. Remember the better quality turntable you have, the better the quality arm and cartridge you will have. This means that the needle will dig deeper into the groove extracting more information. Another must for any serious vinyl collector is a good record cleaning turntable and anti-static soft plastic sleeves, rather than using the original paper or card (don't throw the originals away though!) In a word or two, I suppose the best recommendation for those with revealing systems is to try and purchase original vinyl through the various collectors shops rather than put up with the hiss on the CD's. Oh, and by the way, CD's do jump, I have had many a Cd that jumps, and it has been nothing to do with the alignment of the laser! Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 08 Jul 1997 10:58:18 -0500 Craig Land wrote: > > My additional comments on the vinyl vs. CD thing, is that when I have > auditioned CD's which are remastered from original analogue sources > in high end systems, the results are not pleasing at all. > > I remember trying to listen to a track by Japan called 'Ghosts' > (acoustic version) on CD through a very hi-end system, well over ten > thousand pounds worth, and the hiss was unbearable. When I put the > original vinyl on the turntable, the difference was outstanding. > > Remember the better quality turntable you have, the better the > quality arm and cartridge you will have. This means that the needle > will dig deeper into the groove extracting more information. Yeah, but: Good turntable capable of getting past the hiss and so forth = $700 (that's what I last saw for a 1200mk2) CD player that'll play CDs: $100. Sure, it ain't "high-end" but you're not going to hear *much* more difference between a high-end system and a lower-end one. The lower-end ones will skip a bit more, have colder DACs, but really, it isn't going to be that bad. I've listened to a CD on a multi-thousand-dollar player and my own $200 changer and I can only hear a bit of difference. I've listened to my vinyl on a good player and my $200 turntable, and there's a world of difference. A world of difference an average working stiff like me just can't afford. As for the life-span of CDs, well, older CDs do have some problems with degradation over time (but then tell me all your 45's from the 1960s are still in perfect condition :) but most manufacturers have gotten around that. Heck, some of the CD-R blanks I buy are guaranteed to hold data reliably under normal usage for 100 years. Vinyl is still a semi-destructive medium. Play a 12" enough and the needle is eventually going to wear down the groove. Sure, you'd have to play it a LOT, but still, on a CD the difference between a 1 and a 0 is not going to be screwed up by a few years of being hit by a laser (maybe a few decades...we'll know in another 20 years or so) As far as I'm concerned, CDs sound "good enough." They may lack the warmth ov vinyl, but they're easier to store, easier to carry, sound fine on cheap equipment, are generally good sounding, are pretty sturdy (I was able to play most tracks on one I played frisbee with), they're easier to find, can be played by my computer when I'm at work and feel like tuning out the drone of my co-workers, stack nicely on shelves, I can track-scan a CD without scratching it, A CD can hold 75 minutes of music on a single disc, I can master my own music directly onto a CD that I can play in any player using recording equipment I can buy for less than $500... Things I miss about vinyl: Big cover art, and the ability to scratch. Wax looks cool. Colored vinyl is really spiffy. Glow-in-the-dark vinyl is even spiffier. Owning vinyl these days impresses the hell out of your friends. It's just convenience for me. I've got 15 CDs in my bag that I lug back and forth to work and listen to during the commute. Can't do that with a chunk of wax. And having CDs, despite any percieved quality limitations, is a lot better than having nothing at all. -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless dead. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) added images Date: 08 Jul 1997 17:14:31 +0200 Hello and keep on the good conversations ! ! ! =20 =20 I just added five images to my KW-page if anyone is interested.....=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 P.S. Comments and things to add to the page are always welcome!=20 =20 ----- - -- - -- -- - -- - - -- - - --- - - - - ---- - -- ---=20 --- -- -- - --- - =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MCINTYRE@pa.msu.edu Subject: (kw) OFF: Tangerine Dream mailing list Date: 08 Jul 1997 10:03:16 -0400 > I'll love to subscribe also a Tangerine Dream LIst... Does someone knows > about that? Send your subscription request to tadream-request@cs.uwp.edu. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "M. K." Subject: (kw) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: 08 Jul 1997 09:33:04 -0700 He is correct. It was in 1978 and it was Ry Cooder. Of course the album was only released on vinyl, but it was recorded digitally. Some sources state that Fleetwood Mac's TUSK album was first. That was also recorded in 1978 >On Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:09:37 -0400 (EDT) ManMachn2@aol.com writes: >>In a message dated 97-07-07 04:12:37 EDT, you write: >> >><< >> Actually, KW released 3 albums since digital recording became >>available. >> The first digitally recorded rock album was released in 1978. Peace. >>>> >> >>what was it? >I can't say offhand, but I remember reading about that info in an issue >of Tower Records' "Pulse!" magazine years ago. If I see the cover, I'll >remember it. I do distinctly remember the date. It was some nasty guitar >rock, and I don't listen to traditional rock music at all. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) AMP ???? Date: 08 Jul 1997 10:35:47 -0700 >>>Is it my imagination or did I see Kraftwerk on amp. It sounded like > >what is Amp? The Amp is a show on MTV that play the "other" videos: dance song videos that they feel cannot be played during normal business hours. You will see groups like K, Daft Punk, Chemical Bros., Tranquility Bass, Kraftwelt, blah, blah, blah... It's possibly worth keeping MTV pre-tuned into my TV just for this show. The people who make the interum messages and The Amp logo are quite good as well. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) People who sample kraftwerk Date: 08 Jul 1997 10:29:11 -0700 >remix of the kraftwerk ripoff "planet rock". I have now heard >kraftwerk >samples by the following groups.....Information society, Afrika >Bambaata >(planet rock), LA Dream Team, Hooverphonic, Anything Box, Biz Markie, >Future >Sound of London, Chemical Brothers and even a local rap group. Anyone >have >any to add to this list? Dear.... there are literally thousands out there. Most of the current Miami bass sound, almost all west coast rap (ie Techmaster PEB and such) - just about every black rap group from the eighties! ; ) They made a huge impression on the black music scene in the states (that's where they really got their fist club-play - mixing K into other forms). My personal favorite rip-off artist is Professor X... It's so damned cheesey-sounding when you hear K's 'Computer World' slide into Janet Jackson's 'Escapade'. Well, those were the eighties... Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 08 Jul 1997 10:40:05 -0700 >I remember trying to listen to a track by Japan called 'Ghosts' >(acoustic version) on CD through a very hi-end system, well over ten >thousand pounds worth, and the hiss was unbearable. When I put the >original vinyl on the turntable, the difference was outstanding. Perhaps that has something to do with the master tape that the CD was dubbed from. My copy of 'Man Machine' has unbelievable hiss and crap on it, but I understand that the master tape that Capitol records has isn't very good. The best CD results that my friends have gotten is to dub a CD from the vinyl pressing... Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glen Subject: (kw) Yamo Date: 08 Jul 1997 15:20:58 +0100 Not being one to take music press record reviews as gospel, could any list members tell me if they've heard the new Yamo album and what they think of it? On a similar note, this week's Melody Maker describes the forthcoming Mouse On Mars album as "...packed to the hilt with the kind of melodic electronic noodlings that Kraftwerk would be proud..." After witnessing MOM live a few weeks ago, I get the impression that it will, indeed, be quite special. -- Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) The function of this list Date: 08 Jul 1997 13:51:44 -0400 (EDT) I used to enjoy that effect too, until someone stole my tape deck. Avoid parking your car at LIRR train stations! (I'd say their security was a joke, but that would erroneously imply that they actually had security, evidence of which I've never seen.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings #3 Date: 08 Jul 1997 13:59:22 -0400 (EDT) I'm pretty sure it was a Ry Cooder album; can't remember the title. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 20:36:32 +0200 From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig..... At 04:16 08.07.1997 -0400, you wrote: > >Message text written by Leon Mols >>Info on how to get tickets for the 18/oct/1997 Karlsruge concert will be >available in about a week on http://www.ticketworld.de (at least, so I >was told).< > >Werkers, > >Could somebnody give an idea where exactly Karlsruhe is in Germany, and >what is the closest airport, I will be returning from a holiday in >California on 17th Oct, and I might be able to extend it, and detour to >Karlsruhe.... > >hehe. I'm sure I'll get the arrangements made perfectly, then R&F will >cancel......... > >Hey, eurodroids, what abaout ACTUALLY having a meeting this time?? > >Jules > Hi All ! I didn=B4t want to be too ( ahm.. ) obtrusive, but if you like I would try t= o organize a meeting and mybe could be trying to get in contact with some hotels e.t.c .=20 For all of you that are interested in it - send me an email and I=B4ll try t= o make the necessary arrangements. Dirk Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Traeger von Ideen ! KRAFTWERK - MUSIC NON STOP name dirk fellhauer =20 mail d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de =20 page http://www.rhenania.com/Voice age 28 =20 starsign pisces =20 alias Voice, Adorion =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Date: 08 Jul 1997 20:47:10 +0100 Lets hope > there aren't any cats or dogs on this mailing list... God damn... you discovered me ! > > So why do we have 32-bit sound cards...? > Because intensive computing on sound samples require more than the 16 bits for audio output - otherwise, the least significant bits get lost on every computation and some distortion is added to the output signal. For instance, let's say you have to make several successive add / substract / multiply / divide on decimal numbers and that you remove the decimal part of the result at each step of the computation. That way, the final result (integer in that case) would be slightly different from the thoretical one (with decimal part). jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) re: digital recordings Date: 08 Jul 1997 14:21:34 -0400 (EDT) I think the Ry Cooder album was "Bop Till You Drop"... Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:12:53 +-200 Date: 08 Jul 1997 20:52:39 +0100 Re: (kw) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:12:53 +-200 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 20:43:59 +0100 From: jbv To: Mats Kadmark References: 1 , 2 > silverup@algonet.se (Uffe Silverup),internet writes: > > >Could someone please tell me where to find a "Complete" discography? > > >Including official stuff as well as bootleg stuff. > > Try: http://home.t-online.de/home/Zaepke/discogra.htm > > at Klaus Zaepke's online library ! ! ! I just checked that page and find what I think is a little mistake. It's about the bootleg from the 81 tour, at http://super.win.or.jp/~blanks/boot03.html the one named "ENREGISTREE LIVE A L'OLYMPIA" (recorded live in Olympia). I remember that the July 6 1981 show in Paris didn't take place at the famous Olympia concert hall, but at a disco / dancehall called CAPTAIN VIDEO, near Place de la Concorde, not too far from the Eiffel Tower. BTW, as they were doing TEE, when the Eiffel tower appeared in the video displayed behing them, the audience bursted into joyfull screams. That show was a very good one. (I personally think that the 81 tour was far better than the 91 tour). Back then, they used 4 huge video monitors which offered more crispy graphics than the Barco used 10 years later. I think I remember also that the tour was a bit delayed and the rumors said that it was because they were expecting those video monitors from Japan and that they had technical problems with them. Those monitors were giving the on-stage kling-klang studio a far more retro look, something closed to Dr Mabuse laboratory... I also remember that Bartos (or was it Flur ?) still used the electric drum sticks. One of these 2 guys also used another machine which looked like a "table" with sliders on its top side. Moving the sliders seemed to triger / untrigger sequences. As they were doing HALL OF MIRRORS, something went wrong with that machine, and an engineer came from backstage (in the middle of the song) to fix it. I remember that the problem with that gear was noticeble in the music. i didn't hear the above mentioned the above mentioned bootleg. Could anyone tell me if anything like that happens ? I also remember that a mutitrack tape recorder was running backstage, apparently recording the show... (no, I wasn't invited backstage, I just saw it in a glance as the engineer rushed from backstage to fix the problem without closing the curtain). OK. That's enough for tonight. Grand father is getting tired. Time to go to sleep, kids... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ralphm@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Date: 08 Jul 1997 15:11:38 -0400 >Lets hope >> there aren't any cats or dogs on this mailing list... > >God damn... you discovered me ! >> >> So why do we have 32-bit sound cards...? Couldn't help it, but I had to say that was funny! Ralph # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 08 Jul 1997 21:11:37 +0100 ralphm@mindspring.com wrote: > > >>A CD you buy today > >>will sound worse in a few years > > > >What are a few years? I heard of that too, but have not noticed anything > >about that. > Circa 1990 or 91, i wrote an article for a computer mag about mass storage devices. Among other things I interviewed a techie at D2 (european manufacturor / distributor of HD, CD-ROMs players etc) who told me that the manufacturors' warranty for data recorded on magnetic media (floppies, DAT, HD, tapes and the like) is 2 years only, while the warranty for WORMs, CD-ROMs, opto-magntic... is 10 years. Of course, if it's kept in good conditions, it can last much longer. But anyway, the warranty of magnetic stuff is very short. The reason for the 10 years warranty (as i've been told by the same guy) is that the industry expect to put out a new medium within these 10 years, whose life expectancy (at least for the data it stores) will be slightly longer. As if the specs of a new medium should never exceed the time needed to develop the next generation ! As for the reason of decrepancy (sp?) of CD-like media, he said that the quality of the stuff (sorry I can't find the english word) coated on the downside of CD varies over time, and that over 15 years, there's plenty of chances that parts of such CDs would be unreadable. Furthermore, the cheaper the coat, the sooner you'll send your CDs to the trash. Since then, I avoid all discount price CD reissues, because they're made with cheap stuff, and of course will fall apart even faster. In other words, you get what you pay for. May be things are improving, because those info are a few years old, and also because after the lack of success of mini-disk and digital cassette, the industry has understood that people will never accept to buy their entire record collection every 10 years in a new format... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: (kw) Interesting Stuff (was: 18 bits per sample) Date: 08 Jul 1997 21:24:02 +0200 >Because intensive computing on sound samples require more than >the 16 bits for audio output - otherwise, the least significant >bits get lost on every computation and some distortion is added >to the output signal. > >For instance, let's say you have to make several successive >add / substract / multiply / divide on decimal numbers and that >you remove the decimal part of the result at each step of the >computation. That way, the final result (integer in that case) >would be slightly different from the thoretical one (with decimal >part). > Very true indeed this! Since this discussion is getting really interesting now (without trying to sound like an asshole), i'd say: Nerd Alert! Put your propellorhats on! Check.... The difference between the sampled result and the original input signal can be (and is) considered as (white) noise, and is called the Quantization Noise. You can calculate the (very important) Signal-to-Noise ratio. The difference between an integer (for instance 14, for sampled value) en a float (for instance 14.4, for an 'original' value) is in the worst case 0.9999999.... etc, so let's say the difference is 1 'level' at max. Since 16 bits are used for CD-players, 2 to the 16th power makes 65536 different levels, and only one of these levels could be considered as noise (assuming lineair encoding), so the signal-to-noise ratio would be 65536-to-1, or which is used normally 20 X log 65536/1 = 96.3 dB If you take a look in the technical specs of a good CD-player, this number will be almost reached. If you'd used 18 bits (= 262144 levels) the S/N-ratio would be 20 X log 262144/1 = 108.3 dB which is a whole lot better. Professional hard-disk recording systems (the expensive ones) use 24-bit (= 16777216) encoding, so that would give a stunning S/N-ratio of 20 X log 16777216/1 = 144.5 dB To be honest, I really don't think that even the most hooked sound freak would notice the difference. Bye for now, Statik. -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subrata Bhattacharjee Subject: (kw) KW on vinyl Date: 08 Jul 1997 15:27:07 -0500 My two cents on this CD/vinyl thing. Like a lot of people on this list, I have multiple versions of most KW albums on vinyl and CD. I have found that the biggest sonic difference has to do with the place and time of pressing. For example, I have Computerworld in the standard German CD version, the American CD re-issue from the mid 80s, a German vinyl pressing which I think was early 80s, and a Canadian vinyl pressing from the same time. All are in good condition. Out of these, the best is the German vinyl, followed by the German CD. Then the Canadian vinyl, and last, the American CD. I suspect the American CD is particularly awful (1) because they didn't have the original masters and (2) CD transfers from the mid 80s all seemed to be pretty bad, especially in low frequency reproduction. Any thoughts on this ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Claudio Falaschini Subject: RE: (kw) People who sample kraftwerk Date: 08 Jul 1997 11:43:48 -0000 > samples by the following groups.....Information society, Afrika Bambaata > (planet rock), LA Dream Team, Hooverphonic, Anything Box, Biz Markie, Future > Sound of London, Chemical Brothers and even a local rap group. Anyone have > any to add to this list? We, "Avant Garde" from Argentina Nonstop... nonstop... nonstop... nonstop... nonstop... nonstop... nonstop... Claudio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Humphrey" Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 08 Jul 1997 21:14:38 +0100 >>I remember trying to listen to a track by Japan called 'Ghosts' >>(acoustic version) on CD through a very hi-end system, well over ten >>thousand pounds worth, and the hiss was unbearable. When I put the >>original vinyl on the turntable, the difference was outstanding. You've just fired a neuron deep inside my (small) brain! I remember a friend from collage (a good 7 years ago now) telling me that Ghosts sounds far better on Vinyl than it does on CD. I believe that he was refering to the hiss. > Perhaps that has something to do with the master tape that the CD was >dubbed from. Indeed. A pressing, on what ever medium, can only be as good as the master it's made from. I have heared of CD's (and Vinyl) being pressed from a copy, or a copy of a copy, of a master. For the simple reason that the master is no longer available (lost, stolen, destroyed etc). For example the master tapes for The Cure's 17 Seconds went missing a few years ago. Subequently current pressings are made from a copy (or possibly a copy of a copy) of the master, and because of this suffers terribly from hiss. I assume that an original Vinyl copy should sound pretty good as it would have been cut from the original master. It wouldn't surprise me that if you do some investigation you'll find that something similar happened to Ghosts. As a side note, you only gain from Vinyl if the master is good quality analogue or >16bit 44.1khz digital (obviously!). If you hear any additional information on a Vinyl pressed from a 16bit 44.1khz master over its CD counterpart, it must be colouration! Just for the record I do find a good bit of vinyl on on a good turntable can easily beat the c&*p out of a CD! Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Humphrey" Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 08 Jul 1997 21:22:41 +0100 >Just for the **record** I do find a good bit of vinyl on on a good turntable can >easily beat the c&*p out of a CD! > >Mark Oh dear, I didn't spot the pun until after I sent it :) Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW on vinyl Date: 08 Jul 1997 22:34:30 +0100 I've been told many times that the quality of vinyl itself has a big influence on the sound quality. For instance, most japanese pressing use first-hand vinyl, which means vinyl never used before for anything. On the contrary, some factories use second hand vinyl (vinyl from previously pressed records and processed in some way to be re-usable). Of course, the quality of the master and the mastering process itself (mostly EQ) are of equal importance. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) KW on vinyl Date: 08 Jul 1997 16:52:57 -0400 >For example, I have Computerworld in the standard German CD version, the >American CD re-issue from the mid 80s, a German vinyl pressing which I think >was early 80s, and a Canadian vinyl pressing from the same time. All are in >good condition. Out of these, the best is the German vinyl, followed by the >German CD. Then the Canadian vinyl, and last, the American CD. I suspect the >American CD is particularly awful (1) because they didn't have the original >masters and (2) CD transfers from the mid 80s all seemed to be pretty bad, >especially in low frequency reproduction. Any thoughts on this ? While I do not own any vinyl copies of 'Computer World', I do have both the English and German CDs of the album, and I must agree that I'm clearly partial to the German-language recording both in regards to sound quality and aesthetic appeal. Don't get me wrong though, I don't find that the American version of the CD is in any way unbearable to listen to because of the sound quality. I personally feel that the KW disc with the poorest sound quality would have to be 'The Man-Machine', which tends to suffer from a lower overall volume mix and greater noise component than the others, but as someone else mentioned before, this is most likely due to the master tapes of 'Man-Machine' themselves. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "By pressing down a special key, it plays a little melody..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Japan CD/Hiss Date: 08 Jul 1997 16:46:46 -0400 >You've just fired a neuron deep inside my (small) brain! I >remember a friend from collage (a good 7 years ago now) telling >me that Ghosts sounds far better on Vinyl than it does on CD. I >believe that he was refering to the hiss. Hmmm. Interesting, I also have the Vinyl and CD versions of 'Forbidden Colours' by Silvian and Sakamoto, and the CD produces unbelievable hiss, even from my modest system. the vinyl, on the other hand, though it pops and crackles has no discernable faults in sound quality. Having said that, I think CD beats them hands down, purely on durability and quality. = Yes, you can damage a CD, but shit chaps, you can damage vinyl just by removing it from its sleeve!! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 23:57:53 +-200 Date: 08 Jul 1997 16:01:28 -0600 >>Richard Pollton wrote: >>As far as I know the only cover he did was a live rendition of The Drifters' "On >>Broadway" (strange choice!). (snipp) Ahhhh!!! Old Gazza!!! Well hes done a few other covers as well, Trois Gymonpedies - Eric Satie (could that be called a cover???) U Got The Look - Prince!!!!! And if Im not all wrong theres even more Prince covers on some single!! Can you imagine that, Mr Roboto covers Prince!! Its a strange world (Mr Roboto.... he he he anyone remember Styx :-D) Uffe _________________________________________________________________________ Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ # Peektime viewing blown in a flash, as I burn into your memory cells# ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 09 Jul 1997 00:34:35 +0200 >Oh, and by the way, CD's do jump, I have had many a Cd that jumps, >and it has been nothing to do with the alignment of the laser! it happened to me that a brand new cd jumped on a cheap equipment, but went all right on a good quality one. maybe those interpolation corrective devices do exists, after all... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 09 Jul 1997 00:35:18 +0200 >>semi-destructive medium. Play a 12" enough and the needle is eventually >>going to wear down the groove. Sure, you'd have to play it a LOT, but somebody think it would be realistic a sonar-like device that read the tracks of a vinyl without mechanically interact with them? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 08 Jul 1997 17:07:52 -0600 (MDT) >>> semi-destructive medium. Play a 12" enough and the needle is eventually >>> going to wear down the groove. Sure, you'd have to play it a LOT, but > > somebody think it would be realistic a sonar-like device that read the > tracks of a vinyl without mechanically interact with them? A company called ELP already manufactures an optical turntable. But it costs nearly $20,000 and doesn't solve the surface noise problem. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ferm=EDn_Goiriz?=" Subject: RE: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 09 Jul 1997 01:07:42 +0200 > somebody think it would be realistic a sonar-like device that read the > tracks of a vinyl without mechanically interact with them? I've heard in the radio a few months ago that actually there is a laser device designed to play vynils. Don't know further details, just that it was bloody expensive. Ah, yes, and that it could only play black vynils, not color. [????] -Fermin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian West Subject: RE: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Date: 08 Jul 1997 19:15:04 -0400 I did some research - let's see how much discussion this kicks off... Human Ear Dynamic Range: From 0 dB at the threshold of hearing to 120 dB above which your ears will bleed. Silence in a library = 40 dB. Silence in a music studio = 25 dB so so only the upper 95 dB will be perceived. What medium has with the most dynamic range? - CDs - not vinyl. (http://www.cs.tut.fi/~ypsilon/80545/HumanAuditorySystem.html) Frequency Response: Varies signicantly - above 20 kHz for a few people - on average this is beyond what most people can hear. Sampling Rate: Sampling is just that - a sample of the original audio and thus no sound will be reproduced as originally recorded. The rate can vary from 48 kHz in professional equipment to 44.1 kHz for CDs to 32 kHz for some communcation equipment. Whatever the sample rate no frequency components (sine waves) at or above half of the sample rate will be reproduced. These components must be filtered otu before sampling to prevent A-to-D conversion aliasing. Any audio signal can be represented as an addition of sine waves at different frequencies. Everything that is sampled may be distorted by removing any components above half the sample rate and always by introducing a noise floor causing by the quantum step nature of the digital information. Aliasing: May occur during D-to-A conversion unless pre-filtered - always occurs during A-to-D conversion. Repeated copies of the sound spectrum occur either side of mutiples of the sampling frequency. The amplifying stages after the D-to-A conversion have limited frequency responses which reduces these components but an anti-aliasing filter is usually employed to positively remove them. (http://gandalf.iuk.tu-harburg.de/hypgraph/aliasing/alias3.htm) Oversampling: Without oversampling the first unwanted component is a mirror image immediately after the end of the first copy of the sprectrum, so the filter must be a very sharp one (a.k.a. "brick wall" filter) to remove that first copy and above without removing the normal audio. The frequency response of sharp filters are less flat in the "pass band" which increases the distortion. This can be improved by using better filters but they quickly become prohibitively expensive. If only the nearest copies of the sprectrum could be removed before the filter a less sharp filter could be used which is flatter in the pass band. Oversampling does just this. By increasing the number of samples played back to fill the gaps the first unwanted components are pushed further away in frequency. No additional information is added to the audio by doing this since the repeated samples contain no changes. Interpolation: Linearly interpolating between samples adds additional information to the audio which may not be how the original audio changed between the samples, so this just adds random noise and raises the noise floor. I believe that equipment that removes clicks from records analyses the audio by frequency and interpolates the individual frequency components before recombining them thus actually recreating the missing sound where the record was scratched. Linearity: If you have a perfect 16-bit D-to-A and bad non-linear amp after it, adding more bits to the D-to-A will do nothing for the linearity of the amp - it simply increases the dynamic range of the sound. If you are overdriving the amp then get an amp with a higher rating so that you stay more in the middle linear range. Now check your speakers... Bitstreaming and 1-bit converters: I agree - there are definite advantages to this which simplify the D-to-A conversion process and this is a feature to look for. More than 16-bits: I can only see the benefit of this if errors are being introduced into the digital information and increasing the number of bits pushes these errors below the most significant 16 bits. But why are errors occuring in the first place? I see no source of rounding errors here, mixing digital audio is merely adding integer numbers to other integer numbers. Perfection: If you are an audiophile with excellent hearing and you live in an anechoic chamber with an ambient sound level of 0 dB, then you will be disappointed to find that CD audio is not perfect. For us mere mortals who have been to too many rock concerts living in an apartment with barking dogs, screaming kids and cardboard walls, it don't make a lotta difference. For an excellent overview of this whole process see http://www.magnavox.com/electreference/basicaudiotech/compactdisc.html BTW, the 32-bit sound card question was a joke =) =) =| =( I hereby withdraw to a safe distance... Ian. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 08 Jul 1997 18:14:02 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > As far as quality and sound are concerned, I'd be hard-pressed to > pick favorites. I can definitely appreciate the warmth that vinyl has to > offer, often causing a track to bring new life to a song which had only been > listened to on CD prior. I remember when I heard "Radio-Activity" for the > first time on the vinyl medium and I was moved to hear how big and rich the > metallic industrial snares boomed through the speakers. In my opinion, this > is where the CD really does falter. While the CD delivers a much cleaner > and precise recording, there is an inevitable coldness that prevails which > lacks a certain "emotional" or "organic" quality. It's interesting how almost all vinyl enthusiasts say about the same thing. Personally I interpret that "warmth" and "organic" quality as a lack of high-frequency response. Back when all I had was a record player and tape deck, I was forever turning the treble response all the way up on both of them. I was frustrated by the lack of "crispness" in the sound. CDs were a boon to me because I finally go the treble I wanted, plus better bass as well. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Date: 09 Jul 1997 01:28:55 +0200 Ian West wrote: > Perfection: If you are an audiophile with excellent hearing and you > live in an anechoic chamber with an ambient sound level of 0 dB, then > you will be disappointed to find that CD audio is not perfect. For us > mere mortals who have been to too many rock concerts living in an > apartment with barking dogs, screaming kids and cardboard walls, it > don't make a lotta difference. You don't need to be an audiophile with excellent hearing and living in an anechoic chamber with 0dB ambient to experience the lack of perfection of CD players. Whoever made this comment is throwing sand into your eyes--if you care for the experience, then try it out and judge for yourself. As for everything, there are people who give importance to hearing music in the most perfect way and there are people who don't. It is a personal matter. I have been to rock concerts, classical concerts, I have a dog, and I wish I had the $$$ to buy a Goldmund Reference turntable. But I won't deny that I would also buy a Wadia transport with a Mark Levinson 33 dac. As for the rest of the references you provided, they are arguable. As are the ones I presented before. Listening ability varies from person to person; Rudolf Koenig (a relevant scientist in the acoustics community) reported that at age 41 his hearing extended to 23 kHz. If this means that the rule of thumb for audio standards is that they should suffice for the majority of people (the "mere mortals who have been to too many rock concerts" for whom "it don't make a lotta difference") while being poor for a few others, I couldn't disagree more. I just want to listen the best way I can. All the best. -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Digital Recordings #4 Date: 08 Jul 1997 20:39:38 -0400 [First digitally recorded rock album] >>> He is correct. It was in 1978 and it was Ry Cooder. Of course the album was only released on vinyl, but it was recorded digitally. Some sources state that Fleetwood Mac's TUSK album was first. That was also recorded in 1978. <<< The first digitally recorded hip-hop album was "In Full Effect" by Mantronix, from 1988; it was also the first album mastered from DAT instead of reel tape. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) People who sample kraftwerk Date: 08 Jul 1997 20:15:55 -0400 >>> Since we have been discussing Karl Bartos a bit here I may add that he did a remix of the kraftwerk ripoff "Planet Rock." I have now heard kraftwerk samples by the following groups.....Information society, Afrika Bambaata (planet rock), LA Dream Team, Hooverphonic, Anything Box, Biz Markie, Future Sound of London, Chemical Brothers and even a local rap group. Anyone have any to add to this list? <<< Yes, Bartos, as Elektric Music, remixed "Planet Rock"; it's on the remix EP "Don't Stop...Planet Rock" on Tommy Boy/Warner Bros. (TBCD 1052). Afrika Bambaataa didn't exactly sample KW, his studio musicians re-played the TEE line on their own equipment (in this case, Arthur Baker & John Robie). Please use the term "hip-hop" instead of "rap"--rap refers to talent-less wannabes, hip-hop refers to the real shit. KW has also been sampled by The Puppies, Sir Mix-A-Lot, Rampage the Last Boy Scout, and Todd Terry, but there are countless others that I can't think of right now. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Professor X Date: 08 Jul 1997 20:44:20 -0400 >>> My personal favorite [KW] rip-off artist is Professor X... <<< You mean the leader of the Blackwatch movement? "This is protected by the Red, the Black, and the Green..." What about the message???? It's time to wake up and get some knowledge! ALL the Blackwatch-produced albums are fucking brilliant--he's no KW rip-off, he's a socially conscious, Afrocentric teacher! Which cut was it for the record???? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco DuBose Subject: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Date: 09 Jul 1997 22:09:44 -0600 > I think Ralf & Florian are THE definitive masters at maintaining their >aura of mysteriousm and building hype. That is maybe one of the reasons we >all love them so much.... Anybody agree???? I disagree. I think the title goes to The Residents. While we do have quite a bit of information about who Kraftwerk are and their history, The Residents are completely unknown (and still manage to tour!) Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." Subject: (kw) Sellafield Update, Please Date: 08 Jul 1997 20:36:15 -0700 I have the "Stop Sellafield" video with Kraftwerk and U2. I beleive that it was made in 1992. What has happened to Sellafield? Did they expand it? I'm curious because KW quoted "Two will produce seven-point-five tons of plutonium every year" and "Two will release the same amount of radio-activity..." in Tribal Gathering. A concerned American... thank you for your replies. Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: usura@pacific.net.sg Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 09 Jul 1997 14:11:31 +0800 Eric Oehler wrote: And having CDs, despite any percieved quality >limitations, is a lot better than having nothing at all. > > at the risk of posting a "me too" message, i agree totally with Eric. while having a superb system and sound enhances the listening experience, what ultimately counts is the _music_. ten million dollars' worth of technology will do nothing for michael jackson. awaiting flames from MJ fans monique. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) KW on vinyl Date: 09 Jul 1997 00:02:33 -0700 >>For example, I have Computerworld in the standard German CD version, >the >>American CD re-issue from the mid 80s, a German vinyl pressing which >I think >>was early 80s, and a Canadian vinyl pressing from the same time. All >are in >>good condition. Out of these, the best is the German vinyl, followed >by the >>German CD. Then the Canadian vinyl, and last, the American CD. I This German CD pressing has as high a quality, if not higher than the Japanese in my opinion. The root may lay in the the German equipment must be an extremely high standard of both analogue and digital recording/mixing mediums, whereas the Japanese sounds completely digital. The most evident and prevolent in my collection are the Depeche Mode singles. The German ones sound far superior, with more depth and warmth. The Japanese pressings are very, ummm, ah "digital" sounding. Theres no real way to put it, aside from just listening to it. The ambience from the German pressings is really comfortable, while the Japanese counterparts are not as "alive". The UK pressings are crap. All of the ones I've gotten from the US and UK are not as high quality. "Mastered By Nimbus" has no meaning for me anymore... Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 09 Jul 1997 00:20:34 -0700 >>>semi-destructive medium. Play a 12" enough and the needle is >eventually >>>going to wear down the groove. Sure, you'd have to play it a LOT, >but > >somebody think it would be realistic a sonar-like device that read the >tracks of a vinyl without mechanically interact with them? You are too ahead of your time...Brilliant idea! Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) kw desktop theme?? Date: 09 Jul 1997 00:26:07 -0700 >does anyone on the list know if there are any kraftwerk desktop themes >available for us windows95 users?? it just occured to me that this >would be >a cool idea, but as yet, i've not come across any on the web. perhaps >someone here with an interest (and the proper theme 'editor' ) could >propose >some designs and distribute them to the list. anyone else think this >is a >good idea? Yes, it's a very good idea!! I'm going to begin "werking" on the sounds tonight. I'm not very good at making icons, so if there are any visually adept artists on the list - this would be an excellant op. What should be the background image? I personally like the image of them at the cafe table in front of the digitally reproduced hillside. Ideas? Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: Re[2]: (kw) what's happened to Elecrtic music ? Date: 09 Jul 1997 00:31:53 -0700 >i've also wondered the same thing. i recently got my hands on the >"laif stail" (lifestyle) cd maxi single, which i quite like, but it's very >dificult to find these remixes! i didn't even know that EM had released >singles of crosstalk and overdrive! i do enjoy karl's work and have always >believed he contributed alot to the kw effort (and sound). any suggestions on >where i may be able to order the other singles (ie crosstalk, overdrive), >maybe over the net or something?? ACK!! I must have these!! I saw the limited pressing of 'Crosstalk' at a Tower music once, years ago. It appeared to be in a small brownish box, four tracks. I kick myself daily for not nabbing it (my boyfriend wanted the Bassmasters 'Set The Contols For The Heart Of The Bass' grrrrr....) but I didn't have enough money for both. I have 'Television' and loooooove the mix 'T.V.' - in fact I found a second one and got it too! Perhaps a trade can be arranged? Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Shock Kraftwerk/Alien Connection!! Date: 09 Jul 1997 00:47:04 -0700 >There's been a lot of media coverage in the UK to commemorate the 50th >anniversary of the first reported sighting of "flying saucers". >All of a sudden it struck me: There's an uncanny resemblance between >the alien >in the Roswell autopsy video and the now hairless and old Florian >Schneider!! >Spooky. You have found our little secret out. Now you will pay for it with your life! ; ) Bill Schneider- "De goose flys at night, de goose flys at night, over..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 09 Jul 1997 11:36:05 +0300 Oliver Kess wrote: > I expect the technology to be outdated and not available > anymore (10 years or so) and the medium still to be ok. > That is, what always happens to storage devices. Player is gone, but the > medium still lives. If all goes well, the next big standard is DVD with players that are capable of playing good old CDs, too. So I wouldn't worry too much about that. Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > While the CD delivers a much cleaner > and precise recording, there is an inevitable coldness that prevails which > lacks a certain "emotional" or "organic" quality. What, coldness and lack of "emotional" or "organic" quality? In a Kraftwerk record? Are you kidding? ;-) usura@pacific.net.sg wrote: >...while having a superb system and sound enhances the listening experience, what ultimately counts is the _music_. Yep, my feelings exactly. I'm fine with CDs and a reasonably good HiFi system - as long as there is a CD I like in the player. Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Date: 09 Jul 1997 09:51:47 +0000 Now that Marco has mentioned artist which out-do KW in terms of their anonymity, does anyone remember the group Klaatu. I think they were American but no-one ever knew who they were. I am pretty sure they only released two LP's as well. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) Good Werk boys & girls Date: 09 Jul 1997 10:47:39 -0700 Still regarding the CD Vs. Vinyl debate I must say I'm impressed by the balanced opinions showed by you fellow Werkers. Hats off to you. This is a subject which I've been discussing for years but usually getting extreme / radical / biased opinions. > > CDs have one problem that most people are not aware of: they oxidate > > even if you don't use them & take good care of them. > > But they're plastic-coated. How can that be? The plastic coat it's very very thin. Even the smallest scratch will damage it. Also I've heard that sometimes the paints used for labeling the CD react with it & affect it. > Even though I take excellent care of them, I still get scratches and dust > on both mediums. The difference I notice is that the CD sounds generally > the same Don't forget that if the player cannot read correctly from the disc it will try to guess! > I just went shopping with a friend that's an hi-fi freak to buy a turntable... What did he/she get? > I have a Magnavox stereo/turntable in my studio > that plays records slightly too slow. If it's a belt drive machine it means the belt has too much slack / is slipping. > CDs don't have this speed > discrepancy Not so obviously anyway. Good point that. > I've got 15 CDs in my bag that I lug back > and forth to work and listen to during the commute. Can't do that with > a chunk of wax. I remember when I was a kid there was this "portable" turntable that looked like a giant burger where you slipped the record in like many of those in-car CD players of today. Needless to say that although you could move while it was playing the pressure being put on the player arm/needle was so much that it ruined the record after only a few plays. Still it was the great-grandfather of the discman. > My copy of 'Man Machine' has unbelievable hiss and crap on > it, but I understand that the master tape that Capitol records has isn't > very good. The best CD results that my friends have gotten is to dub a > CD from the vinyl pressing And with some adequate PC & software you remove some or all of that noise. > People who sample kraftwerk > Anyone have > any to add to this list? There's a track by Shamen called "Oxygene Restriction" that seems to contain samples by K, or at least it tries to sound like them. I haven't heard for a while so I not sure. Sorry for the long post. Cheers, Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Good Werk boys & girls Date: 09 Jul 1997 06:30:24 -0400 Message text written by INTERNET:rui.inacio@fc.siemens.pt >And with some adequate PC & software you remove some or all of that noise.< Agreed, a good peice of noise removal software is D.A.R.T. pro. Also available is the noise plugin for Soundforge. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Date: 09 Jul 1997 06:33:08 -0400 Message text written by INTERNET:cland@acl.memec.com >Now that Marco has mentioned artist which out-do KW in terms of their = anonymity, does anyone remember the group Klaatu. I think they were = American but no-one ever knew who they were. I am pretty sure they = only released two LP's as well.< Yes, they released two I think, although this thread seems to miss one small point. there could be thousands of groups who can claim anonimity purely through the fact that nobody buys their records! Kraftwerk however= , have maintained this status as well as being a well known name. Just a thought, Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Shock Kraftwerk/Alien Connection!! Date: 09 Jul 1997 06:34:34 -0400 Message text written by Bill C Talley >You have found our little secret out. Now you will pay for it with your life!< hehe. Maybe the next KW album will be beamed live from the pathfinder!!!! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Bull Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Date: 09 Jul 1997 12:47:01 +0200 >> I think Ralf & Florian are THE definitive masters at maintaining their >>aura of mysteriousm and building hype. That is maybe one of the reasons we >>all love them so much.... Anybody agree???? > >I disagree. I think the title goes to The Residents. While we do have >quite a bit of information about who Kraftwerk are and their history, >The Residents are completely unknown (and still manage to tour!) > >Marco Yeah, right on! The Residents have released albums and toured extensively for more than twenty years now, without revealing their true identities. On the other hand; Kraftwerk is a more "popular" band which probably sell more records, earn more on touring etc. This makes keeping oneself anonymous even harder, even if the would like too. There have been numerous bands and artists who have tried the anti-publicity route to success. The Residents and Kraftwerk are to my knowledge the most beneficial. Kraftwerk through revealing almost nothing and The Residents through revealing smokescreens of informatione and pure nonsense. If anyone is interested in what the hell The Residents are all about check out http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~tzoq/Residents/ Lars Bull "No RISC - No Fun" MacForum Foreningsgatan 31 411 27 Goteborg Sweden E-Mail: lars.bull@macforum.se WWW: www.macforum.se Fax: +46 31 721 31 01 Telephone: +46 31 721 31 00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Weckert Subject: (kw) El Lissitzky Date: 09 Jul 1997 12:41:16 +0200 (MST) A bit off-topic, but I recently found an excellent web page about El Lissitzky's artwork: http://giotto.bgsu.edu/pilot/projects/el/ Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) Melting vinyl with a laser? Date: 09 Jul 1997 13:46:39 -0700 > somebody think it would be realistic a sonar-like device that read the > tracks of a vinyl without mechanically interact with them? a few years ago I read about a turntable that used... guess what: a laser to read vinyl. However the results weren't very impressive particularly if you take into account that it was supposed to be an expensive Hi-End piece of machinery. > I've been told many times that the quality of vinyl itself > has a big influence on the sound quality. For instance, most > japanese pressing use first-hand vinyl, which means vinyl never > used before for anything. > On the contrary, some factories use second hand vinyl (vinyl from > previously pressed records and processed in some way to be > re-usable). The worst times for vinyl buying were when the industry started to decline. As factories saw their profits go down they resorted to all kinds of tricks to keep costs low, the most usual one being recycling the stuff. >I wish I had the $$$ to buy a Goldmund Reference turntable. That makes two of us. > All of a sudden it struck me: There's an uncanny resemblance between > >the alien > >in the Roswell autopsy video and the now hairless and old Florian > >Schneider!! > >Spooky. > > You have found our little secret out. Now you will pay for it with > your life! ; ) Ripley is coming back soon to kick some more alien butt. Someone please, please tell her to leave this particular alien alone! At least until the new album comes out... ;) > "Mastered By Nimbus" has no meaning for me anymore... Maybe it should read "Mastered By Numbs" instead... ;) Now since we've been discussing it, a little KW fun: If Kraftwerk were a turntable or a CD player what would they be? My guess: Turntable-Goldmund Reference CD player-a model from Roksan that a friend of mine has that somehow looks KWish. Cheers, Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ralphm@mindspring.com Subject: (kw) Recycled Vinyl Date: 09 Jul 1997 09:07:41 -0400 >The worst times for vinyl buying were when the industry started to >decline. As factories saw their profits go down they resorted to all >kinds of tricks to keep costs low, the most usual one being recycling >the stuff. I have two or three vinyl albums that you can hear the music already starting a couple of seconds before the real music starts. The music is real faint and can be heard just before each song. The funny thing is that the faint music is the actual music of the album. I wonder if that is from re-using the vinyl or something to do with when they mastered it. I won't even get into the weird stuff that cassettes do. Ralph # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 09 Jul 1997 08:05:44 -0500 lbo wrote: > > >>semi-destructive medium. Play a 12" enough and the needle is eventually > >>going to wear down the groove. Sure, you'd have to play it a LOT, but > > somebody think it would be realistic a sonar-like device that read the > tracks of a vinyl without mechanically interact with them? > Sony marketed a laser needle for a bit in the 80's but I seem to remember it being really expensive. And it was really sensitive to record warping because it couldn't track as well or something. A friend of mine got his hands on a prototype or factory reject or something a few years back, and it worked ok...still sounded like a record (it picked up the dust and scratches the same way a needle did) but it wouldn't destroy or scratch the vinyl itself. -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless dead. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Melting vinyl with a laser? Date: 09 Jul 1997 14:08:27 +0000 If KW were a turntable they would have to be the definitive reference model, the one which all other manufacturers copy and try to improve on.................the SME Model 30. It's the most expensive, like some of KW's rare material, it can be used with different arms, like the band itself with different members coming and going, and you only see it in rare instances!! CD player, well I am not too sure what the equivolent is, but it would probably be something like a Waida........you decide. Regards, Craig. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Recycled Vinyl Date: 09 Jul 1997 09:17:18 -0400 Message text written by INTERNET:ralphm@mindspring.com >I have two or three vinyl albums that you can hear the music already starting a couple of seconds before the real music starts. The music is real faint and can be heard just before each song. The funny thing is tha= t the faint music is the actual music of the album. I wonder if that is fro= m re-using the vinyl or something to do with when they mastered it.< No, much earlier than that. Those albums must have been recorded on analogue equipment. The pre-amble you can hear is caused by leakage to th= e tape erase head while the reel-reel is recording. As the erase head is positioned before the recording head, you get a faint overlap. I found th= a beat way to stop this was to de-magentise every time I rewound the tape. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 09 Jul 1997 10:25:14 -0400 >> While the CD delivers a much cleaner >> and precise recording, there is an inevitable coldness that prevails which >> lacks a certain "emotional" or "organic" quality. > >What, coldness and lack of "emotional" or "organic" quality? In a >Kraftwerk record? Are you kidding? ;-) :-) Of course it may sound contradictory at first, but I think a common misconception regarding Kraftwerk's music is that it is all meant to be as "mechanical" and "robotic" as many of the concepts themselves. I find that this is not always the case however. Tracks like "Spacelab", "Airwaves", "Neon Lights", and "Europe Endless" (to name but a few) finely exemplify how an oscillator can breathe warmth and emotion into a piece of music which might otherwise be considered "cold" and "unfeeling". Granted, these observations are made on a personal basis and are in accordance with my own aesthetic scale. The fact that KW have been able to bring "life" to electronic music has always been one on the main facets which caused them to stand out *for me* amongst all others in the vast realm of electro-music as the shining Radio Sterne that they are! :-) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Und wenn die Nacht anbricht ist diese Stadt aus Licht." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 09 Jul 1997 15:41:36 +0000 Just a slight point which I have not mentioned on purpose, and that I am surprised no-one else has mentioned is the matter of 'perfect cut vinyl'?! This is still available and I own some records of this nature, the best one being a double Jazz LP, the sound is absolutely breath-taking! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Professor X Date: 09 Jul 1997 00:39:54 -0700 >>>> My personal favorite [KW] rip-off artist is Professor X... <<< >You mean the leader of the Blackwatch movement? "This is protected by >the Red, the Black, and the Green..." What about the message???? It's >time to wake up and get some knowledge! ALL the Blackwatch-produced >albums are fucking brilliant--he's no KW rip-off, he's a socially >conscious, >Afrocentric teacher! Which cut was it for the record???? Peace. Ummmm, ah... What? Well, please don't take offense to this man, but I don't have a clue as to what you just said. I got the tape because it had the words "kraft" and "computer" and "tech" in the song titles. Each and every "song" on the tape were nothing but Kraftwerk with popular music groups sampled over. I'm not sure that we're talking the same language here, because there was no "message" that I'm aware of. The "rap" was vocoded descriptions of a guy turning on his computer, dancing and producing the most tech sound. Crap, nothing "socially conscious" about what I had. We must be referring to two seperate Professors. "Visualize whirled peas". Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Date: 09 Jul 1997 11:54:58 EDT On Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:51:47 +0000 "Craig Land" writes: > >Now that Marco has mentioned artist which out-do KW in terms of their >anonymity, does anyone remember the group Klaatu. I think they were >American but no-one ever knew who they were. I am pretty sure they >only released two LP's as well. >Best Regards, > >Craig. they were germans i thought...part of the "krautrock" (god i hate that term) scene...cleopatra is releasing a series of compilations of this genere and they're on it...ill check my vinyl 2nite and hopefully remember to post some more info.. tom w np: third rail - south delta space age # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Date: 09 Jul 1997 15:40:32 +0200 To me it's perfectly reasonable to call The Residents a "mysterious" band since they have tried hard, and succeeded with keeping their identities unknown. But I don't understand in which way Kraftwerk is "mysterious". By reading articles about them, interviews with them and the Bussy book about them, you will get to know most of what there is to know about them. Unlike The Residents, we know their names, we know about their families and we know about their education. Like most pop-bands they give several interviews for both radio and magazines when it's time to promote new material. They are not particularly secretive during those interviews. They do live concerts even when they have no new album to promote! They are regularly reported to be seen at different clubs. What could one expect to find out about them? Of course there are more information about the persons behind Kraftwerk. But is this information in any way useful? I mean, we all know quite much about Ralf's favourite sport beeing cycling. Who knows if the Spice Girls like aerobics or jogging best? I get the feeling that Kraftwerk's low release-pace - with it's inevitably accompanying long periods of silence and false rumours - is interpreted as "mysticism". And I cannot see in what way the band or the bandmembers themselves contribute to the picture of them as "mysterious". The only connection I see between Kraftwerk and The Residents is that The Resident's often collaborate with Snakefinger who once made a cover of The Model. Regards Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW on vinyl Date: 09 Jul 1997 13:24:26 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-07-09 01:06:22 EDT, you write: << he Man-Machine', which tends to suffer from a lower overall volume mix and greater noise component than the others, but as someone else mentioned before, this is most likely due to the master tapes of 'Man-Machine' themselves. >> interesting.....i always thought that "radioactivity" had the most noise....much more than my copy of MM..... personally - i like it on RA!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Date: 09 Jul 1997 13:28:39 -0400 (EDT) What about The Residents.....no one knows who the hell they are.......:-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) KW Thoughtexperiment Date: 09 Jul 1997 13:17:51 -0400 (EDT) KW as "industrial folk music": Ever notice how much "Europe Endless" sounds like a polka? It could be re-arranged-- a tuba for the bass synth, clarinets and accordion for the sequencer, and yodeling for the synth solos. KW on the Lawrence Welk Show... (Naahhh, the bubbles would get into the circuitry.) Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW on vinyl Date: 09 Jul 1997 13:42:01 -0400 (EDT) The German vinyl version of "Die Mensch Maschine" is wonderful sonically, with the American LP a slight notch behind. That's one of the biggest problems with CD remastering--the medium itself has the potential for excellent fidelity (the digital vs. analog debate aside), but so many CD re-issues are plagued by poor re-mastering, often using second (or worse) generation tapes instead of the original masters and so on. Also, it seems that many mastering engineers cannot resist the temptation to "improve" upon the vinyl originals with heavy-handed EQ, overly boosting the highs so that the tape hiss becomes more apparent/annoying, or overly boosting the lows so that the overall mix sounds too thick and bloated. (On the other hand, many original vinyl issues benefit greatly from remixing and/or remastering--witness the recent CD re-issue of Iggy and the Stooges' "Raw Power!" A good cassette copy of a good vinyl pressing can sound far better than a lousy CD re-mastering. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) re: digital recordings Date: 09 Jul 1997 13:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Yep, that was it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Radioaktivitaet Lyrics on TG97 Date: 09 Jul 1997 13:47:54 -0400 (EDT) On Long Island, where I live, they were supposed to build the Shoreham nuclear power plant, but never did, due to unbelieveable incompetence on the part of all concerned with its construction. It cost us taxpayers billions in wasted money, and to add insult to the proverbial injury, we also have to pay untold millions more to have the abominable thing dismantled! But you know what? I'm really glad they never got the thing up and running! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 09 Jul 1997 14:17:15 -0400 (EDT) I assure you, you won't have a problem with treble response with a good turntable/arm/cartridge setup. In fact, some moving coil cartidges are, to my ears and others', too bright-sounding. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Date: 09 Jul 1997 14:20:26 -0400 (EDT) I remember "Klaatu." Don't like the music, but used to stare at the album cover all the time, as it was owned by my former employer, HP of The Absolute Sound, and was part of his LP collection. In fact, it's on the TAS "Super Disc" list of great-sounding LPs (as is Kraftwerk's Autobahn). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) KW on vinyl Date: 09 Jul 1997 11:16:44 -0700 ><< he Man-Machine', which tends to suffer from > a lower overall volume mix and greater noise component than the >others, but > as someone else mentioned before, this is most likely due to the >master > tapes of 'Man-Machine' themselves. >> > >interesting.....i always thought that "radioactivity" had the most >noise....much more than my copy of MM..... personally - i like it on >RA!! Nope, my copy of 'Man Machine' has much greater hiss than 'Radioactivity'. I'm also taking into consideration that what it does sound like is a limiting and compression problem. 'Radioactivity' was reproduced alright, 'Man Machine' sounds like it had a corrupt master to begin with. The true example being 'Spacelab'. Directly after the hatch-closing sound, an enormous hiss is immediatly recognizable. There is an ambient track being performed throughout the song, but it only begins after the q-tip drums. That afore-mentioned hiss is bad reproduction. Also, sound seems to drop out at certain points all over the CD. This makes me assume that it's the master tape that Capitol got. 'The Robots' intro is very hissy, but it's not a harmonic one which again leads me to believe that it was the either the master and/or the equipment used to reproduce it on CD. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Shock Kraftwerk/Alien Connection!! Date: 09 Jul 1997 11:01:52 -0700 >>You have found our little secret out. Now you will pay for it with >your life!< > >hehe. > >Maybe the next KW album will be beamed live from the pathfinder!!!! You are not too off either... Remember the Hubble Space Telescope? Well, Kraftwerk attempted to broadcast through it (with the help of NASA sympathizers). Unfortunately, the sub-sounds couldn't be handled appropriately by Hubble's current audio setup and thusly made those target-refraction mirrors shake violently. Poor Hubble became a useless disco-ball in orbit. The mutual embarrassment of Kraftwerk and NASA would have been too great, so they blamed it on the main lens. Bill ps - Now, not a WORD to Kraftwerk... They'd kill us all, you know. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Alliance? Date: 09 Jul 1997 14:30:18 -0400 After just paying a visit to CDnow online (www.cdnow.com), I noticed that they list Kraftwerk's 3 compact discs from their Capitol period ("Radio-Activity", "Trans-Europe Express", & "The Man-Machine") that they carry in stock as belonging to the ALLIANCE label: RADIO-ACTIVITY ALLIANCE 76218 46474 2 TRANS-EUROPE EXPRESS ALLIANCE 76218 46473 2 MAN-MACHINE ALLIANCE 76218 46039 2 What further complicates things is that they clearly list the 3 Cleopatra discs as separate from the Alliance ones (with "Radio-Activity" being the only Cleopatra disc of the 3 aforementioned still in stock), yet the .jpg image for the cover of the Alliance "Trans-Europe Express" is the exact same cover as that of the actual Cleopatra re-issue for T.E.E. The only current English-language compact discs of these 3 albums that I knew of were the Capitol ones and and Cleopatra re-issues. Anyone know what "Alliance" refers to? -- Scott barnhill@easyway.net "We're standing here...exposing ourselves..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 09 Jul 1997 19:39:21 +0200 usura@pacific.net.sg wrote: > while having a superb system and sound enhances the listening > experience, what ultimately counts is the _music_. ten million > dollars' worth of technology will do nothing for michael jackson. Then why bother going to the concerts? Buy the CD instead, and listen to the music on your car stereo... -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Melting vinyl with a laser? Date: 09 Jul 1997 20:16:01 +0200 Rui Inacio wrote: > Now since we've been discussing it, a little KW fun: If Kraftwerk were > a turntable or a CD player what would they be? > My guess: > Turntable-Goldmund Reference > CD player-a model from Roksan that a friend of mine has that somehow > looks KWish. Wot? Only if it is that Roksan model that looks like a piece of machinery taken from a submarine... but somehow it reminds more of U96 :-) -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 22:17:23 +0200 From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: (kw) Can they read us ?? Hi all ! I was wondering if any of the KRAFTWERK guys read our messages .... Don=B4t know. It was just a thought I had last night after several beers. ( not to be taken tooooo seriously ) Cheers, Prost, Skol, ... Dirk Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Traeger von Ideen ! KRAFTWERK - MUSIC NON STOP name dirk fellhauer =20 mail d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de =20 page under construction age 28 =20 starsign pisces =20 alias Voice, Adorion =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) CD technology Date: 09 Jul 1997 18:23:21 -0400 Can anyone tell me what a "multi-session" CD is? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Garcia Subject: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 10 Jul 1997 00:29:00 +0200 my experience regarding cd vs. vinyl is i can hear a clear sound with a good definition when i play c. world. on vinyl. whereas the sound is all mixed-up when i play the cd. by the way, this vinyl copy has 16 years and the sound degradation is not noticeable. i agree that sound quality is a question of personal taste, but i feel that the kw music is the perfect one to hear with as much quality as possible. a beat here and a subtle bass there, etc. it is *they* who worked on the piece to sound like that up to the last detail. it is simple and very complex at the same time, if you know what i mean. i only experience that sensation when i play my vinyl on the linn turntable. with other kinds of music, a good equipment doesn't do any harm, but it's not so important, there are not so much "hidden" and subtle details as in kw's music. now that there's this talk about vinyl, i have some vinyl (7, 12, lp) for trade/sale. i think it's on uffe's kw. markplatz http://www.algonet.se/~silverup/kraft # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Date: 10 Jul 1997 01:31:01 +0200 >But I don't understand in which way Kraftwerk is "mysterious". By well, try to ask to the average popstar for an interview. if you come from an important newspaper, s/he will be very glad to give it. if s/he does not care, the press agent will get angry with him/her, "you stupid, it's all publicity for us!" sometimes are the same popstar who search for coverage, and the "personnage" created and wrapped around them is served with any dressings, as we say in Italy. think to Skunk Anansie, or Sinead Oconnor... all this "young rebels" so functional to the music market... you obviously don't see this kind of behavior from Kraftwerk. there is another important point. Kraftwerk, like, in some sense, the early punk movement of 77 (this is not a thought of mine but i agree with it) focuse their attention on the tools they use to make music. everybody could strum a guitar, leave apart Led Zeppelin or Eric Clapton solos. everybody could tune his oscillator. so it's easier for us "tricky" people (I don't know if this is the right word, in Italy we say "smanettoni", that means peoples who like to see what happen when you touch all the knobs and buttons) to project ourselves in them, and it's natural we give particularly attention to what they could think, notwithstanding the fact that they call to be just good workers and not artists. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Good Werk boys & girls Date: 09 Jul 1997 18:54:58 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Rui Inacio wrote: > Still regarding the CD Vs. Vinyl debate I must say I'm impressed by the > balanced opinions showed by you fellow Werkers. Hats off to you. This is > a subject which I've been discussing for years but usually getting > extreme / radical / biased opinions. I've noticed those things too. The semi-anonymity of the Internet makes it easier to spout radical opinions. I think the recent events surrounding the Olympic CD have taught us all to be a little more polite. > The plastic coat it's very very thin. Even the smallest scratch will > damage it. Also I've heard that sometimes the paints used for labeling > the CD react with it & affect it. That's too bad. It's easy to accidentally scratch a CD. > > CDs don't have this speed > > discrepancy > Not so obviously anyway. Good point that. Though you can get CD players with speed control and "DJ scratch" ability. I understand they're hideously expensive. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) CD technology Date: 09 Jul 1997 19:12:23 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Adam Schefflan wrote: > Can anyone tell me what a "multi-session" CD is? Peace. All I know is that a CD which is recorded in more than one sitting - ie, not all at once - is multisession, and is usually not fully readable by older CD-ROM drives. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Recognizin' the real (Lawd, don't get me started!) Date: 09 Jul 1997 21:18:07 -0400 >>> This brings up a interesting debate. De La soul (who most consider hip hop) says it is all rap. <<< "Rap" was a buzz word created by the media, based on the street-corner "rappin'" tradition, or monologs by Rudy Ray Moore, et. al., to describe the music. It has become an easy term which those in and out (especially those who don't know) of the Hip-Hop Nation use because more people recognize the term "rap" instead of "hip-hop." Admit it, if you ask the average joe on the street what hip-hop is, they won't have a clue. However, real heads, those who know what time it is and know that the music is a positive, socially conscious, intelligent, innovative art form; prefer to use the term "hip-hop" because it refers to the music and the culture associated with it, as well as essence of the music rather than just the surface. You can be hardcore without a single curse-word or dead body--that's what the real shit is about. The media, among others, have missed the point because they associate "hardcore" with those wack-ass gangsta wannabes, who in no way embody the true spirit and work ethic that make hip-hop such compelling music. De La used the term so that people who ain't down have a better understanding. Anyone else? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Professor X Date: 09 Jul 1997 20:43:47 -0400 >>> Ummmm, ah... What? Well, please don't take offense to this man, but I don't have a clue as to what you just said. I got the tape because it had the words "kraft" and "computer" and "tech" in the song titles. Each and every "song" on the tape were nothing but Kraftwerk with popular music groups sampled over. I'm not sure that we're talking the same language here, because there was no "message" that I'm aware of. The "rap" was vocoded descriptions of a guy turning on his computer, dancing and producing the most tech sound. Crap, nothing "socially conscious" about what I had. We must be referring to two seperate Professors. "Visualize whirled peas." <<< It must be Techmaster PEB or something like that, then. It can't possibly be Professor X. The Blackwatch albums are as follows: X Clan: "To the East, Blackwards" (4th & B'way/Island/PolyGram) Isis: "Rebel Soul" (4th & B'way/Island/PolyGram) Professor X: "Years of the 9, on the Blackhand Side" (4th & B'way/Island/PolyGram) Queen Mother Rage: "Vanglorious Law" (Cardiac/Charisma/Virgin) X Clan: "Xodus" (Polydor/PolyGram) Professor X: "Puss 'n Boots (the Struggle Continues...)" (Polydor/PolyGram) If it's not any of these, good. This is great music with a serious socially conscious message. >>> If all goes well, the next big standard is DVD with players that are capable of playing good old CDs, too. So I wouldn't worry too much about that. <<< I certainly hope so--I have 1100 CDs!!!! I also saw the Mexican-made "Autobahn" picture disc at the Virgin Megastore. $29.99 is just too expensive, and the art on the disc itself isn't that great. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco DuBose Subject: (kw) Bits vs. Wax Date: 10 Jul 1997 21:20:45 -0600 Subject: Re: (kw) Bits vs. Wax Date: 09 Jul 1997 20:53:58 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Marco DuBose wrote: > > I'm the same way, I don't like to use dolby noise reduction because it > seems to truncate the high end. But that's probably just my failing > hearing. Same here. I have a walkman with Dolby and Metal switches, and I usualy leave them on the setting with the most hiss so I can get more treble. > This whole bits vs. wax / dynamic range / human hearing thing is just so > subjective. I have a friend who is an audio engineer and talks about > once setting up a studio to broadcast just enough so that the musicians > could hear it on their car radios in the parking lot. If it didn't sound > good in the car, then it wasn't good. I'm a video editor and we That's a good way to preview stuff. I have a couple of friends who are audiophiles. One even builds his own amps and speaker towers and customizes his other equipment. Sure, it sounds great, but I'm perfectly happy with $65 earphones. > because that's what they have at home. No amount of hi-fi equipment will > duplicate the of experience of hearing a live instrument in a real space > (for my money, sitting five feet from someone singing Rachmaninoff's Personally I've never been much of a fan of live music. I've been to a few operas and orchestra performances, and seen live club acts, and I prefer my earphones and CD player. As you say, it's all subjective. I'm glad everyone's been wisely saying "I prefer X" instead of "X is better". /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Diack@ukos.varian.com (Michael Diack) Subject: (kw) RE: Proffessor X again! Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:40:37 +0100 Professor X was a recording alias of Los Angeles' Unknown DJ (Andre Manuel), who produced an album (I've got it but I gcan't remember the title), which was techno/electro in style and VERY VERY heavily sampled Kraftwerk to quite good effect. It's a very rare album - my copy is the only copy I've ever seen. Most of the samples were from the Computer World album. Mike Diack # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) Bad Vinyl hangover Date: 10 Jul 1997 09:05:54 -0700 > I have two or three vinyl albums that you can hear the music already > starting a couple of seconds before the real music starts. The music is > real faint and can be heard just before each song. The funny thing is that > the faint music is the actual music of the album. I wonder if that is from > re-using the vinyl or something to do with when they mastered it. No, what you listen is whats on the inner groove. Those records must have a really bad pressing with very shallow & thin grooves, probably even a little bit distorted by the adjacent grooves. So what you are actually getting is a preview of the next song... Cheers, Rui Inacio. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: (kw) DVDs Date: 10 Jul 1997 02:14:30 -0600 (MDT) This is straying a bit from the topic. KW and DVDs don't have much in common, other than that we may want to buy KW stuff on DVD or rerecord our collections onto DVD. Anyway, I just read this month's Wired magazine and learned something interesting. Those of you who have been folllowing the development of this technology will know that it's been snagged for some time on the issue of music and video piracy. Everyone wants to prevent duplication of records and movies, but they can't agree on how. According to Wired, the issue is settled. The solution is to use six recording formats, each of which will work only with players sold in one of six zones around the world. No word on whether or not DVD-R disks will be internationally compatible. The zones are: (assuming the map in the article is correct) 1) North Am 2) South Am and Australia 3) China 4) Iceland, Europe, Arabia, Japan and South Africa 5) Vietnam, Thailand and the islands between there and Australia 6) Africa, India and Russia That means we non-Europeans won't be able to listen to German DVD recordings of KW, should we be able to get them. :( /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) KW in Spaaaaace... Date: 10 Jul 1997 09:18:40 -0700 > Remember the Hubble Space Telescope? > Well, Kraftwerk attempted to broadcast through it (with the help of NASA > sympathizers). Unfortunately, the sub-sounds couldn't be handled > appropriately by Hubble's current audio setup and thusly made those > target-refraction mirrors shake violently. Poor Hubble became a useless > disco-ball in orbit. The mutual embarrassment of Kraftwerk and NASA > would have been too great, so they blamed it on the main lens. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Man, you've got some wild imagination! Cheers, Rui Inacio. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs Date: 10 Jul 1997 01:36:21 -0700 -(Talking about DVDs and "Formats" and stuff:)- > That means we non-Europeans won't be able to listen to German DVD > recordings of KW, should we be able to get them. :( That would suck. It's bad enough we can't watch European videos on American VCRs and vice-versa. It should all be Universal- like the MIDI standards, to which all SYNTH manufacturers agreed. Obsolescence breeds obsolescence. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Recycled Vinyl Date: 10 Jul 1997 04:33:23 -0400 Hi aLL I'm new on this list... greetings Joan Saumell # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) New releases Date: 10 Jul 1997 11:14:30 +0200 Does anyone know when the new releases from KW will arrive?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "clear biloute" Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs - we're probably screwed Date: 10 Jul 1997 02:33:01 PDT >The zones are: (assuming the map in the article is correct) >1) North Am >2) South Am and Australia >3) China >4) Iceland, Europe, Arabia, Japan and South Africa >5) Vietnam, Thailand and the islands between there and Australia >6) Africa, India and Russia Actually, Europe and Japan are in Zone 2, USA in Zone 1. The audio specs will be announced at the end of the year, and should tell us if indeed there will be a code lock or not. Anyway, it will probably be 24 bits resolution for 96 KHz sampling rate. I wouldn't be too surprised if they included country locks. Major record companies are not generally known for their philantropism... Remember SCMS. Just my thoughts. "Ack ack ack" - Mars Attacks _______________________________________________________ Get Private Web-Based Email Free http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs Date: 10 Jul 1997 04:27:11 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, ROBOT wrote: > > That means we non-Europeans won't be able to listen to German DVD > > recordings of KW, should we be able to get them. :( > > That would suck. It's bad enough we can't watch European videos on American > VCRs and vice-versa. It should all be Universal- like the MIDI standards, > to which all SYNTH manufacturers agreed. Yeah. Mind you, I'm sure translators will pop up soon enough. You can convert PAL and Secam to NTSC, though you lose picture quality. Similarly, the copy protection mechanism of some DAT machines could be defeated by cutting one wire. I just wish media companies weren't so paranoid about piracy. Sure, they're gonna lose profits. But silly protection schemes only serve to slow down the pirates for a month or two. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Can they read us ?? Date: 10 Jul 1997 13:21:32 +0100 Dirk V. Fellhauer wrote: > > Hi all ! > > I was wondering if any of the KRAFTWERK guys read our messages .... > Donīt know. It was just a thought I had last night after several beers. > > ( not to be taken tooooo seriously ) > > Cheers, Prost, Skol, ... > > Dirk > Of course they do. A couple of days ago, I had a long phone call with Ralph who told me that he really apreciated the many postings about CD technology because it was very KWish... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Can they read us ?? part 2 Date: 10 Jul 1997 13:25:02 +0100 Just forgot something on my previous post : ;-) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Can they read us ?? Date: 10 Jul 1997 07:49:52 -0400 Message text written by INTERNET:JBV.SILENCES@wanadoo.fr >A couple of days ago, I had a long phone call with Ralph who told me that he really apreciated the many postings about CD technology because it was very KWish...< yes, ans Florian has confirmed that they intend to use the pathfinder to construct a copy of Klingklang on Mars, for a future gig!!! ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Bits vs. Wax Date: 10 Jul 1997 13:54:32 +0100 Marco DuBose wrote: > > > This whole bits vs. wax / dynamic range / human hearing thing is just so > subjective. Mmmmmmh.... I understand what you mean and i think you're right, BUT the examples you take are the wrong ones : dynamic range & human hearing are in no way subjective things, but technical FACTS. Dynamical range is a mathematical thing. Human hearing has very specific caracteristics (as opposed to dog hearing, for instance) which vary over time, age and gender. On the other hand, human listening, cultural background, personal tastes ARE subjective. -------------------- BTW, KW members aren't such perfectionists after all, since the various experiences & opinions posted recently show clearly that the technical quality of several of their album reissues are not as good as one could expect... They don't seem to control everything... jbv (who doesn't control anything, not even jbv) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Recycled Vinyl Date: 10 Jul 1997 13:54:54 +0100 Julian Seifert wrote: > > Hi aLL > > I'm new on this list... > Are you a new or recycled member ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Videos? Date: 10 Jul 1997 15:20:14 +0100 I=B4ve been looking for mpg or Quicktime movies with Kraftwerk on the net,=20= but only found (not so ONLY, really, i=B4ve got them running as screensavers al= l day long) a few short clips of Ralf walking out from a concert (thats my favorit), the robots and TEE=2E Does anybody know a good site where I can get more movies or where you can=20= by VHS- copies of concerts/videos? Hier spricht die Stimme der Energie Ich bin ein riesiger elektrischer Generator Ich liefere Ihnen Licht und Kraft Und ermoegliche es Ihnen Sprache, Musik und Bild Durch den Aether auszusenden und zu empfangen Ich bin Ihr Diener und Ihr Herr zugleich Deshalb huetet mich gut Mich, den Genius der Energie /johan ooo ooo =20= =20 =20 oooooo oooooo =20= =20 =20 oooooooo ooooooooo =20 ooooooooooo oooooooooooo =20 oooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooo =20 oooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo=20 oooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo=20 oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo ooo ooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooo ooooo oooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo oooooooo oooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo oooooooo ooooooooooooooooo ooooo ooo =20= =20 =20 ooooooooo oooooooooooo =20= =20 =20 ooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:23:07 -0500 Ra wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, ROBOT wrote: > > Yeah. Mind you, I'm sure translators will pop up soon enough. You can > convert PAL and Secam to NTSC, though you lose picture quality. > Similarly, the copy protection mechanism of some DAT machines could be > defeated by cutting one wire. > Soon? A friend of mine is already talking about buying a translator chip for his! Thing that bothers me is that I seriously doubt we're going to get any good musical releases, except maybe concert videos, on this format. Why would a record company want to sell 1 DVD with say, Kraftwerk's entire backcatalogue, for $50 when they could sell 10 CDs for $13 each? The industry is gunna screw us all over, that's for sure. -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless dead. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Date: 10 Jul 1997 15:40:20 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-07-09 05:00:55 EDT, cland@acl.memec.com (Craig Land) writes: << Now that Marco has mentioned artist which out-do KW in terms of their anonymity, does anyone remember the group Klaatu. I think they were American but no-one ever knew who they were. I am pretty sure they only released two LP's as well. Best Regards, Craig. >> What about the Residents? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) re:Bad Vinyl Hangover Date: 10 Jul 1997 09:47:10 -0400 (EDT) You can also get that "backwards echo" effect if the master tape has been wound too tightly and/or has been sitting around for a long time and/or has been exposed to excessive heat. The magnetic signal partially transfers from one winding of the tape to another-- you can sometimes hear the effect on old cassettes... Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) re:DVDs/video standards Date: 10 Jul 1997 09:58:04 -0400 (EDT) About different video standards: it's actually possible to watch PAL (European standard except for France) videos on NTSC TVs using a PAL VCR with a voltage converter. What you have to do is adjust the vertical hold (to change the frame rate) and the vertical size (to squinch the picture down to fit on the screen). Some newer TVs don't have those controls, though, so in that case I dunno what you would do. It also works for computers that output PAL and NTSC video (like my Amiga 1200 :-)), but it doesn't allow you to record PAL tapes onto an NTSC machine or vice versa... Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) Ghost in the machine Date: 10 Jul 1997 11:04:32 -0400 (EDT) One of the preset voices at the HADIFIX Online Voice Synthesis Page (http://asl1.ikp.uni-bonn.de/~tpo/Hadia.en.html) is named "Florian". Hmmmm. Anyway, it's a fun site to visit; type in some text and check out what the synthetic voices do with it :-) Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 10 Jul 1997 15:45:45 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-07-09 08:55:16 EDT, JBV.SILENCES@wanadoo.fr (jbv) writes: << > >>A CD you buy today > >>will sound worse in a few years > > >> Rubbish # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Ghost in the machine Date: 10 Jul 1997 21:07:00 +0200 The correct address is:=20 =20 http://asl1.ikp.uni-bonn.de/~tpo/Hadiq.en.html=20 =20 Mats =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs - we're probably screwed Date: 10 Jul 1997 22:07:23 +0200 At 02:33 10/07/97 PDT, you wrote: > >>The zones are: (assuming the map in the article is correct) etc. ok, but I don't see how this will prevent piracy. I won't be able to read a chinese copy - so what, my usual pirate :-) is just around the corner. chinese bootlegger will buy a couple of euro dvd in the airport duty free... or maybe I've lost some important issues of it all... would someone resume? p.s. the Wired issue is the one with the Mac logo on the cover? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) DVDs Date: 10 Jul 1997 14:41:15 -0600 (MDT) > Anyway, I just read this month's Wired magazine and learned something > interesting. Those of you who have been folllowing the development of > this technology will know that it's been snagged for some time on the > issue of music and video piracy. Everyone wants to prevent duplication of > records and movies, but they can't agree on how. > > According to Wired, the issue is settled. The solution is to use six > recording formats, each of which will work only with players sold in one > of six zones around the world. This is kind of a conflation of several different issues... First off, the country codes are not meant to combat piracy, but to prevent movies released on DVD from being exported and sold in other markets. Films come out on video so soon after theatrical release in the US nowadays that they're often available on video here before they've been released theatrically overseas. The studios *hate* this (and to be fair, it can cut into their revenues depending on how the distribution money flows and so forth, but I still don't have much sympathy). The different country codes aren't really different recording formats -- it's just a flag value encoded on the disc. Nothing prevents anyone from releasing DVDs that don't have a country code, and those discs would be playable in any player. I wouldn't be surprised if hardware hacks evolved rather quickly to ignore the country codes. There actually *isn't* a "general piracy solution" for DVD yet. Some of the studios, are holding off on releasing movies on DVD until there are stronger laws against digital piracy. It's probably beyond being a hardware-and-software issue at this point, though. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 10 Jul 1997 22:52:11 +0100 Ultravox5@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-07-09 08:55:16 EDT, JBV.SILENCES@wanadoo.fr (jbv) > writes: > > << > > >>A CD you buy today > > >>will sound worse in a few years > > > >> > Rubbish Uh Oh ! Wait a minute ! I didn't actually write this, I was just quoting. And BTW, "Rubbish" is a wonderful contribution, from which each member will learn a lot... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Date: 10 Jul 1997 16:09:04 -0600 (MDT) >>>>> A CD you buy today will sound worse in a few years >> >> Rubbish > > And BTW, "Rubbish" is a wonderful contribution, from which each member > will learn a lot... I agree -- it tells each member everything they need to know about the assertion above concerning CD sound quality, namely that it's rubbish. :-) -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Miguel Angel Esteban" Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs Date: 11 Jul 1997 01:38:01 +0000 >Everyone wants to prevent duplication of > records and movies, but they can't agree on how. > > According to Wired, the issue is settled. The solution is to use six > recording formats, each of which will work only with players sold in one > of six zones around the world. No word on whether or not DVD-R disks > will be internationally compatible. WHaaaaatt?!?!?!?! I'm completly disagree with this. Who is the pesponsable on that??? > That means we non-Europeans won't be able to listen to German DVD > recordings of KW, should we be able to get them. :( :-(((((((( wwWWww [o][o] ------------------------ooO--(__)--Ooo----------------------------------- Fairlight Jarre Newsletter. Fanzine by the Spanish J.M. Jarre Fanclub email : fairlight_jarre@arrakis.es web : http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1176 Price per issue: 150 pesetas ========================================================================= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs Date: 10 Jul 1997 17:44:53 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Eric Oehler wrote: > > Yeah. Mind you, I'm sure translators will pop up soon enough. You can > > convert PAL and Secam to NTSC, though you lose picture quality. > > Similarly, the copy protection mechanism of some DAT machines could be > > defeated by cutting one wire. > Soon? A friend of mine is already talking about buying a translator > chip for his! That was fast. My hat's off to whoever is developing them. > Thing that bothers me is that I seriously doubt we're going to get any > good musical releases, except maybe concert videos, on this format. Why > would a record company want to sell 1 DVD with say, Kraftwerk's entire > backcatalogue, for $50 when they could sell 10 CDs for $13 each? They could only record one CD's worth per DVD, and maybe add some notes about the production of the album and an interview with R&F or something. It wouldn't be using the full capacity of the disk, but audio CDs sometimes don't either. > The industry is gunna screw us all over, that's for sure. Of course. Customers and artists are just a vehicle to more profit. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoBoten Subject: (kw) Very Interesting Date: 11 Jul 1997 01:57:38 +0200 Have anyone noticed that there is a www.kraftwerk.li?!? (.li for Liechtenstein) It's the same pages that can be found at kraftwerk.com.. (Liechtenstein is a small country between Switzerland, Germany and Austria..) //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs - we're probably screwed Date: 10 Jul 1997 17:59:27 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, lbo wrote: > >>The zones are: (assuming the map in the article is correct) > ok, but I don't see how this will prevent piracy. I won't be able to read a > chinese copy - so what, my usual pirate :-) is just around the corner. Exactly. I get the feeling the DVD consortium has talking itself into believing this will work, just so they can finally get about the business of making DVD players. > chinese bootlegger will buy a couple of euro dvd in the airport duty free... > or maybe I've lost some important issues of it all... would someone resume? Naturally. It seems to me all you have to do is get your hands on a player from each country, and you can pirate anything you want. If course, the recorders probably have anti-piracy features that would prevent this, but I'm sure they can be defeated easily. > p.s. the Wired issue is the one with the Mac logo on the cover? The yellow cover with the smiling planet. The headline is "The Long Boom". It's the July 1997 issue. The article is on page 42. I don't know if the magazine layout changes between countries. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs Date: 10 Jul 1997 18:02:53 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > they're often available on video here before they've been released > theatrically overseas. The studios *hate* this (and to be fair, it can cut That's a point. It seriously cuts into theater profits overseas. > The different country codes aren't really different recording formats -- it's > just a flag value encoded on the disc. Nothing prevents anyone from releasing > DVDs that don't have a country code, and those discs would be playable in any > player. I kind of thought it might be something like that. That would mean that DVD-R disks will be universally playable. > I wouldn't be surprised if hardware hacks evolved rather quickly to > ignore the country codes. Naturally. > There actually *isn't* a "general piracy solution" for DVD yet. Some of the > studios, are holding off on releasing movies on DVD until there are stronger > laws against digital piracy. It's probably beyond being a > hardware-and-software issue at this point, though. They've been arguing about it too long already. Any more delays and even DVD will be obsolete. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs Date: 10 Jul 1997 18:06:21 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Miguel Angel Esteban wrote: > > According to Wired, the issue is settled. The solution is to use six > > recording formats, each of which will work only with players sold in one > > of six zones around the world. No word on whether or not DVD-R disks > > will be internationally compatible. > > WHaaaaatt?!?!?!?! > I'm completly disagree with this. Who is the pesponsable on that??? The DVD Consortium. A number of big electronics and media companies. The reporter who wrote the article that I posted about is David Lazarus. I wish he had mentioned his sources. I may have to do some research of my own to see if this isn't just sensationalism. > > That means we non-Europeans won't be able to listen to German DVD > > recordings of KW, should we be able to get them. :( > :-(((((((( I tend to agree with that sentiment. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco DuBose Subject: Re: (kw) Bits vs. Wax Date: 11 Jul 1997 23:54:05 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:14:30 +0200 >From: >Subject: (kw) New releases >Does anyone know when the new releases from KW will arrive?? Who knows! I heard the new album will be released in September...but it could also be next year...or in two years... Georgie -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Bits vs. Wax Date: 11 Jul 1997 10:33:50 +0100 Marco DuBose wrote: > > > Uh..the range of human hearing may be a technical fact but no two people > will have the exact same range. That's why it's subjective. > > Marco > Nope. Sorry again. Two people can have different hearings, but I still don't see any subjectivity in it, since measurements can be done of their respective ear response. May be if we speak of listening training (instead of hearing), which would include musical education, listening habits, etc. this would make more sense... But please remember that basically I do agree with you, the only discussion topic being the choice of accurate examples to illustrate the discussion... cheers jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Bull Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Date: 11 Jul 1997 10:50:33 +0200 >But I don't understand in which way Kraftwerk is "mysterious". By >reading articles about them, interviews with them and the Bussy book >about them, you will get to know most of what there is to know about >them. Sure, but the total information Kraftwerk has released in twenty odd years equal the amount of information bands like the Spice Girls reveal in a week. >What could one expect to find out about them? Well, more info on upcoming events and their current activities would be nice. >I mean, we all know quite much about Ralf's favourite sport beeing >cycling. Who knows if the Spice Girls like aerobics or jogging best? I don't know and I don't care. I'm interested in their music and want to know more about new releases, tours and related material. I have full respect for people who are interested in the more personal info but I'm not. >I get the feeling that Kraftwerk's low release-pace - with it's >inevitably accompanying long periods of silence and false rumours - is >interpreted as "mysticism". And I cannot see in what way the band or the >bandmembers themselves contribute to the picture of them as >"mysterious". I agree, but isn't their low release-rate a conscious move you think? >The only connection I see between Kraftwerk and The Residents is that >The Resident's often collaborate with Snakefinger who once made a cover >of The Model. Yes, unless Ralf & Florian are part of The Residents! (this was a poor joke not meant to be taken seriously). Residents doesn't collaborate with Snakefinger any more due to his demise some years ago. But he did one hell of a cover with The Model. Lars Bull "No RISC - No Fun" MacForum Foreningsgatan 31 411 27 Goteborg Sweden E-Mail: lars.bull@macforum.se WWW: www.macforum.se Fax: +46 31 721 31 01 Telephone: +46 31 721 31 00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Morgan Subject: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Date: 11 Jul 1997 10:06:46 +0100 Just thought I'd add that country codes are nothing new to DVD. Actually = there is a flag for a country codes, barcodes, copyright information and = even a copy enable/disable flag on the existing CD format. The existing = format even supports a sort of primitive noise suppression emphasis = flag. Only it is not usually used. It's a pity as the spec, extended for = CD plus even allowed graphics and text to be added to audio tracks for = the old CD ! Finally CD's DO wear out. Hold an old one up to the light and see how = many holes you can see right through it. I bought some of the first CD's = on the market. One of them by "Tangerine Dream" plays erratically with a = few pops and clicks that never were there before. The metallic layer = does corrode but very slowly. ( some of you may say justice for buying = TD in the first place !!! ) Ciao from Mike ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Par." Subject: Re: (kw) Very Interesting Date: 11 Jul 1997 12:02:16 +1400 On 1997-07-11 RoBot@abc.se said: >Have anyone noticed that there is a www.kraftwerk.li?!? (.li for >Liechtenstein) >It's the same pages that can be found at kraftwerk.com.. They may have taken all "Kraftwerk" domains in every countries. Arnaud de Bonald Paris, France Home Page: http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald - bbs/Fax: 01 43 87 10 51 Net-Tamer V 1.09.2 - Test Drive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Weckert Subject: Re: (kw) Very Interesting Date: 11 Jul 1997 12:34:31 +0200 (MST) On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Par. wrote: > > On 1997-07-11 RoBot@abc.se said: > >Have anyone noticed that there is a www.kraftwerk.li?!? (.li for > >Liechtenstein) > >It's the same pages that can be found at kraftwerk.com.. > > They may have taken all "Kraftwerk" domains in every countries. > And what's with www.klingklang.de, www.klingklang.com tec. pp. ?? Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Date: 11 Jul 1997 04:39:24 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Mike Morgan wrote: > Only it is not usually used. It's a pity as the spec, extended for CD > plus even allowed graphics and text to be added to audio tracks for the > old CD ! Dang. That would have been cool. But you'd need a computer to display the pics and text - nobody's going to build a CD player with a screen on it. > Finally CD's DO wear out. Hold an old one up to the light and see how > many holes you can see right through it. I bought some of the first CD's > on the market. One of them by "Tangerine Dream" plays erratically with a > few pops and clicks that never were there before. The metallic layer > does corrode but very slowly. ( some of you may say justice for buying > TD in the first place !!! ) > Ciao from Mike ! I still don't buy it. The CD you bought might date from before the technology was perfected. Now, I can see the plastic degrading and subsequent corrosion of the metal if the CD were left out in the elements, but if you keep it inside in its case it should last for centuries. --> /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Morper Subject: (kw) CD durability Date: 11 Jul 1997 12:51:40 -0200 "In the first days of july CD-owners were startled by an announcement concerning the durability of their CDs. The British firm Nimbus had published test-results saying CDs will lose their information after six to eight years. The reason for this phenomenon is obvious. The chemicals used for the label-printing penetrate the protection layer and corrode the aluminium. Also tiny cracks in the protection layer could expose the metal to oxidation. In both cases the consequence would be a loss of reflectionability of the lands. So more and more CDs would only contain zeroes, the information would be lost, no matter whether it was music or computer-data. Till now there is no proove for these tests. Other CD-producer's statements saying that this publication is just a marketing trick may be right as Nimbus could be interested in degrading the quality of standard CDs. Nimbus' production facilities are specialised for producing silver or golden CDs, these would be the solution for the oxidation problem, as far as it even exists. All in all the infinite durability is dubious. But it will be seen if the situation is really that dramatical." [ATARImagazin 4/89, translation by me] Bye, Tomasz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Bull Subject: Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Date: 11 Jul 1997 13:19:45 +0200 >On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Mike Morgan wrote: > >> Only it is not usually used. It's a pity as the spec, extended for CD >> plus even allowed graphics and text to be added to audio tracks for the >> old CD ! > >Dang. That would have been cool. But you'd need a computer to display the >pics and text - nobody's going to build a CD player with a screen on it. Actually there were plans to make CD-players with connectors for wiring it to a TV. I have the Fleetwood Mac CD+ "Behind the Mask" with an insert that states it will be out "soon". Anyone seen one? >> Finally CD's DO wear out. Hold an old one up to the light and see how >> many holes you can see right through it. I bought some of the first CD's >> on the market. One of them by "Tangerine Dream" plays erratically with a >> few pops and clicks that never were there before. The metallic layer >> does corrode but very slowly. ( some of you may say justice for buying >> TD in the first place !!! ) > Ciao from Mike ! > >I still don't buy it. The CD you bought might date from before the >technology was perfected. Now, I can see the plastic degrading and >subsequent corrosion of the metal if the CD were left out in the >elements, but if you keep it inside in its case it should last for centuries. Some CD's are made with holes right through (Japanese-manufacturers seem to use this method more often. If you hold it up against a bright light you can see right through it. This is not degradation but the way these CD's were made. Also Mobile Fidelity (American company doing high-end pressings) use this "drilling" technique. A friend of mine has a Dire Straits "Brothers in Arms" CD with brown spots under the plastic. The noise level has marginally risen on these parts. I guess this is what was once described as CD-rot in the HI-FI press during the early 90's. Also, I have a CD which I almost never play. It's been on a shelf for years untouched. When I took it out some weeks ago there was bubbles in the plastic all over the CD. The sound quality is terrible now. The music is overshadowed by a constant hissing sound. If anyone has tips on taking care of CD's it would be appreciated. If not of gebneral interest please mail me privately. Lars Bull "No RISC - No Fun" MacForum Foreningsgatan 31 411 27 Goteborg Sweden E-Mail: lars.bull@macforum.se WWW: www.macforum.se Fax: +46 31 721 31 01 Telephone: +46 31 721 31 00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: RE: (kw) New song at TG Date: 11 Jul 1997 13:17:54 +0200 Rikard@LAPPOWER.SE: >Cool.. What about their performance at Tribal Gathering, was there any >new stuff?? Yeah, they played one new song. I found the following text about the new stuff in the internet: I believe at this moment some people thought the concert was finished, but after previous breaks all decided to wait. And surprise... or should i say the moment that everyone expected in this concert: sounds that begun to play were unrecognizable, what's this? a new song? Then the four Kraftwerkers came back in pretty strange and cool suits: black with green fluorescent grid modeling their bodies as a 3D wireframe model on a computer. I know they used these suits during the Mix tour too. But the song, what's this? public was really hesitating, some of them seemed disappointed. In fact it was a fast and simple melody with big beats and thick electronic wave repeating a dozen of notes. All along there were little familiar effect sounds and i believe Ralf H=FCtter was playing some nice string chords in background. By the way Ralf really paid attention to the public, scanning it with his cold eyes for our reaction. Then we made some signs of encouragement and applaused in the middle of the song. So atmosphere became more decontracted and everybody danced on this strange melody that finished with a succession of large string chords, quite good. (=A9 Timour Jgenti) Georgie --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Date: 11 Jul 1997 12:43:00 EDT lars.bull@macforum.se said ; >Actually there were plans to make CD-players with connectors for wiring it >to a TV. I have the Fleetwood Mac CD+ "Behind the Mask" with an insert that >states it will be out "soon". Anyone seen one? I think these can be played on an old Commodore CDTV and possibly on a CD-G player that Radio Shack produced a few years ago....... Mike. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Date: 11 Jul 1997 06:27:58 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Lars Bull wrote: > Actually there were plans to make CD-players with connectors for wiring it > to a TV. I have the Fleetwood Mac CD+ "Behind the Mask" with an insert that > states it will be out "soon". Anyone seen one? Is this in relation to Apple's Firewire project? It's rumored that they're working on using a universal cable to connect all appliances. The same cable would carry power and digital audio/video and network packets. > A friend of mine has a Dire Straits "Brothers in Arms" CD with brown spots > under the plastic. The noise level has marginally risen on these parts. I > guess this is what was once described as CD-rot in the HI-FI press during > the early 90's. I have seen that. Looks like plastic degradation to me, but I could be wrong. > Also, I have a CD which I almost never play. It's been on a shelf for years > untouched. When I took it out some weeks ago there was bubbles in the > plastic all over the CD. The sound quality is terrible now. The music is > overshadowed by a constant hissing sound. Manufacturing defect. --> /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! 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We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess Subject: (kw) Deleted Mails Date: 11 Jul 1997 09:42:19 -0400 Hy, I just deleted 70 mails without reading them because the topics (dvd?, = vinyl, and other boaring stuff) are so bad, they are not worth reading = them. Just wanted to let you know.... Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian West Subject: (kw) RE: re: DVDs/video standards Date: 11 Jul 1997 09:31:57 -0400 > About different video standards: it's actually possible to watch PAL > (European standard except for France) videos on NTSC TVs using a PAL VCR > with a voltage converter. What you have to do is adjust the vertical hold > (to change the frame rate) and the vertical size (to squinch the picture > down to fit on the screen). Some newer TVs don't have those controls, > though, so in that case I dunno what you would do. It also works for > computers that output PAL and NTSC video (like my Amiga 1200 :-)), but it > doesn't allow you to record PAL tapes onto an NTSC machine or vice versa... If you are lucky and the horizontal and vertical controls on your TV can be adjusted enough this may work, but you will not get a color picture since the color information is encoded in fundamentally different ways between PAL, NTSC and SECAM (France). You may also get a negative picture if the luminance signal is inverted. Finally you may not get any sound since the offset in frequency of the sound subcarrier varies from country to country. However you should be able to identify the recording on the tape. People who try to receive long distance television signals have TVs with adjustable sound subcarrier filters and can invert the signal and/or sync pulses as required. I brought a PAL TV and VCRs from England to the US. I was warned that the different line rates (60 Hz vs 50 Hz) from the power outlets would mean they would not work. However, I have had no trouble at all, but some cheaper equipment may be dependent on the line rate. It is possible, especially in the smaller European countries to pick up multi-standard VCRs and TVs. These will not allow you to convert tapes but you can watch tapes recorded in different standards with full color and sound. Ian. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) Can your hear me ok? Date: 11 Jul 1997 16:01:51 -0700 > I don't like to use dolby noise reduction because it > seems to truncate the high end. Playing a tape with the Dolby on is only a good idea when the tape was recorded with Dolby on too. Some compression of treble is to be expected anyway, particularly with Dolby C. > I have a friend who is an audio engineer and talks about > once setting up a studio to broadcast just enough so that the musicians > could hear it on their car radios in the parking lot. If it didn't sound > good in the car, then it wasn't good. I'm a video editor and we > frequently will do a final mix through a small television speaker > because that's what they have at home. It's a good practice, but we were talking about absolute sound quality & Hi-Fi. > I'm perfectly happy with $65 earphones. I wish I was too. It would save me a LOT of money... > > > >>A CD you buy today > > > >>will sound worse in a few years > > > > >> > > Rubbish After such a brilliant technical explanation I can only IMHO say that I stand corrected... ;^P > Uh Oh ! Wait a minute ! I didn't actually write this, I was just > quoting. Exactly! I said that. On the DVD subject... > It seems to me all you have to do is get your hands on a > player from each country, and you can pirate anything you want. Maybe that won't be necessary at all. Take DAT as an example. Most of the machines that are destined to home use have the copy protection circuitry. But I've seen some pro models that don't. Guess which ones do the pirates have... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Bad Vinyl hangover Date: 11 Jul 1997 09:50:06 -0600 (MDT) > No, what you listen is whats on the inner groove. Those records must > have a really bad pressing with very shallow & thin grooves, probably > even a little bit distorted by the adjacent grooves. So what you are > actually getting is a preview of the next song... This isn't even physically possible. The phemon described is just simple tape print-though caused by poor storage of the masters. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) CD durability Date: 11 Jul 1997 09:52:37 -0600 (MDT) >> Nimbus could be interested in degrading the quality of standard CDs. >> Nimbus' production facilities are specialised for producing silver or >> golden CDs, these would be the solution for the oxidation problem, as >> far as it even exists. > > Hmm. I thought all regular CDs were silver and CDRs gold. What else > could they be made of? Tin? Aluminum? Your average run-of-the-mill CD uses an aluminum reflective layer. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Daw Subject: Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Date: 11 Jul 1997 16:52:55 +0100 In message , Lars Bull writes >Actually there were plans to make CD-players with connectors for wiring it >to a TV. I have the Fleetwood Mac CD+ "Behind the Mask" with an insert that >states it will be out "soon". Anyone seen one? The Atari Jaguar games machine has an add on CD unit, that allows you to play CD based games, audio CDs and CD+G discs (audio CD + Graphics). I do not own any CD+G discs, so I am not able to report what they are like :-( Thats all... Simon -- Simon Daw - esteem simon_kraft@esteem.demon.co.uk http://www.esteem.demon.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs Date: 11 Jul 1997 09:56:31 -0600 (MDT) >> According to Wired, the issue is settled. The solution is to use six >> recording formats, each of which will work only with players sold in >> one of six zones around the world. > > I'm completly disagree with this. Who is the pesponsable on that??? The movie studios, who said "give us this feature or we won't release our movies on DVD". -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Date: 11 Jul 1997 10:00:45 -0600 (MDT) > Finally CD's DO wear out. Hold an old one up to the light and see how many > holes you can see right through it. Hold a *new* one up to the light. This is just poor quality control; the holes are caused by dust contamination in the manufacturing process. If they're there, they're there from the day the disc is manufactured. Most of the time they don't affect the sound quality of the disc; that's what error correction is for. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) _Techno Style: the Art of Cover_ prefaced by Karl Bartos! Date: 11 Jul 1997 09:55:19 -0700 -(Nexus asked me to pass this on....)- A new book is out, it's called "Techno Style: the art of cover". It's a beautiful book that sums up the best cover art of techno albums. The preface of that book is written by our dear friend Karl Bartos. I don't remember the publisher but I'll look into it. General price is Ģ9.99. -(When Nexus finds the Publisher, etc, I'll relay the info.)- ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Date: 11 Jul 1997 20:02:27 +0200 Hi, ---------- [Stuff deleted] [Finally CD's DO wear out. Hold an old one up to the light and see how many holes you can see right through it. I bought some of the first CD's on the market. One of them by "Tangerine Dream" plays erratically with a few pops and clicks that never were there before. The metallic layer does corrode but very slowly. ( some of you may say justice for buying TD in the first place !!! ) Ciao from Mike !] Around 1985, I bought both some Kraftwerk CD's (The Man Machine, nr. CDP 7 46039 2, ADD recorded, TEE and RA) and the Tangerine Dream 2CD Dream Sequence. It was about 12 years ago. The Man Machine _is_ stil perfect, and no holes ;-). I had to exchange the TD CD's in the shop twice, because it was jumping tracks. And indeed even then I noticed that there were holes in the CD, probably made by scratches which appeared both on the "smooth" side and the label side and in a regular pattern. The scratches on the label side were the cause of the holes. I think it was a factory fault... Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mario Laros Subject: (kw) New KW vinyl? Date: 11 Jul 1997 22:29:22 +0200 Hello to you all, This is my first message to this list. I am already subscribed to the digest version of the list for a short period now, and have been following it via ftp since several years. I'm mainly interested in obtaining new info on KW though this list, instead of actively participating (especially since I do not have a lot of time for this). I'm a KW fan since 1978 now, altough I knew them from 1974's Autobahn already. I have most of their albums on vinyl and all their cd's, but unfortunately no video's. However I was lucky enough to see them perform live in 1991 (Utrecht, Holland) and in 1993 (Gent, Belgium). OK, now for the main reason of this message: About 2 weeks ago an article appeared in a local newspaper about the art of vinyl in the old days (that is the album covers). It was written because of the appearance of a book called '1000 Record Covers' (containing sleeve pictures) and the 100th aniversary of record company EMI (which has a big CD manufacturing plant over here). Now the article said that to celebrate this, EMI will rerelease about 40 vinyl albums in their original cover completely with lyrics, posters and stuff that came with it. One of the albums named is AUTOBAHN, which is to be released in october. The price of the albums is supposed to be be about $20-$25 (in Holland). A problem will be to find a place to buy them though, as most of the shops only sell CD's. Bye now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From : Ing. J.M.W. Laros (Mario) DIMES - Delft University of Technology Feldmannweg 17, 2628 CT Delft P.O. Box 5053, 2600 GB Delft The Netherlands Phone : +31 (0)15-2787197 (office) +31 (0)15-2788317 (cleanroom) Fax : +31 (0)15-2622163 E-mail: laros@dimes.tudelft.nl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ferm=EDn_Goiriz?=" Subject: RE: (kw) Deleted Mails Date: 11 Jul 1997 23:15:37 +0200 >Hy, > >I just deleted 70 mails without reading them because the topics (dvd?, >vinyl, and other boaring stuff) are so bad, they are not worth reading >them. >Just wanted to let you know.... > > >Oliver It's true it's getting really boring... Hope ends soon... ;) I am very interested in Karl Bartos' input on kw music- being computerwelt my fave album, it's logic, and I've found so short info on that. Anyone agrees it would be a nice article for a webpage (maybe it's already done...). Fermin np (this is a good idea otso): dr octagon- "biology 101" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Garcia Subject: (kw) kw and vinyl Date: 11 Jul 1997 23:32:48 +0200 have you noticed there are two turntables that can be seen in two of the pictures of the bussy book (uk edition)? one seems to be a hi-end turntable besides a hi-fi system with a lamp over it (any of the hi-end experts, what turntable is this one?), a pic of ralf on the phone taken at florian's flat. below that one there is ralf again, at kling klang, and there is a turntable too. jose garcia - "la musica ideas portara y siempre continuara" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: RE: (kw) Deleted Mails Date: 11 Jul 1997 19:03:39 -0400 >It's true it's getting really boring... Hope ends soon... ;) >I am very interested in Karl Bartos' input on kw music- being computerwelt >my fave album, it's logic, and I've found so short info on that. Indeed, 'Computer World' is one of those albums where I'd be interested in hearing more about Bartos' input, considering the fact that Bartos is credited with co-writing every song on it! -- Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Interpol und Deutsche Bank, FBI und Karl Bartos..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Date: 11 Jul 1997 18:48:05 -0400 I once had a CD that started PEELING. I dropped it on a dusty floor and started to wipe it with a soft, slightly moist cloth, and the top layer started to peel off. I put it away and stored it for years. Thank God for the record-store chain known as The Wall! When they started their CD exchange policy, with the blue sticker, I exchanged it for a new copy. Incidentally, the CD was "Kuff" by Shelly Thunder. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs - we're probably screwed Date: 12 Jul 1997 00:25:40 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, clear biloute wrote: Sorry I didn't see this message earlier. It got automatically sent to my "Spam" folder because I've been spammed from hotmail.com before. > >1) North Am > >4) Iceland, Europe, Arabia, Japan and South Africa > Actually, Europe and Japan are in Zone 2, USA in Zone 1. The numbering was mine. The zones weren't numbered in the article. > Anyway, it will probably be 24 bits resolution for 96 KHz sampling rate. Sounds ideal. Where'd you read that? --> /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: (kw) Re: Proffessor X again! Date: 12 Jul 1997 01:01:37 -0700 > Professor X was a recording alias of Los Angeles' Unknown DJ (Andre > Manuel), who produced an album (I've got it but I gcan't remember the > > title), which was techno/electro in style and VERY VERY heavily > sampled Kraftwerk to quite good effect. It's a very rare album - my > copy is the only copy I've ever seen. Most of the samples were from > the Computer World album. Thanks Mike, this sounds like the same one that I've got...somewhere. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) CD durability Date: 12 Jul 1997 02:08:25 -0700 At 12:51 PM 7/11/97 -0200, Thomas Morper wrote: > >"In the first days of july CD-owners were startled by an announcement >concerning the durability of their CDs. The British firm Nimbus had >published test-results saying CDs will lose their information after six to >eight years. I'm assuming they mean it MAY start to lose its information. Even if the above statement is true, I can't think of one technology which has stood still and not improved itself for a six to eight year period. AND... if the above statement is true then technology in manufacturing CDs must have improved over the years in an effort to protect the consumer's investment. I'm not saying that CD manufactures are perfect... they're not. These plants can screw up and they can also cut corners to lower costs. But it won't take long until their competition eats them for lunch. And I know (working for a legal publisher and visiting these clients frequently) that BMG, Warner Bros., Polygram Intl., etc. won't put up with manufactures producing shoddy disks... if they did, they themselves won't be in business for very long... right? >The reason for this phenomenon is obvious. The chemicals used for the >label-printing penetrate the protection layer and corrode the aluminium. >Also tiny cracks in the protection layer could expose the metal to >oxidation. Which just justified my previous comment...it MAY start to lose its information. Keep in mind that this was a 1989 article commenting on a "six to EIGHT year period... I remember the first CDs and player being made available in the U.S in 1983 (somehow, the math isn't working out). It is then persuasive to say that disks manufactured prior to 1983 were "beta" and test disks... and who knows what kind of chemicals were used to label CDs. To support this comment, I have CDs I've purchased in 1984 and they still play perfectly today. Also... At what level of misuse and how long you misuse the disk in order to produce these cracks? I suppose that if my pet pink elephant walked on my CDs, I might end up with a few cracks on my disks. >In both cases the consequence would be a loss of reflectionability of the >lands. So more and more CDs would only contain zeroes, the information would >be lost, no matter whether it was music or computer-data. Makes sense to me. I guess the only thing that's missing is a lot of upset consumers who bought CDs in the mid '80s. You would think that by now they would be boycotting Tower Records, Blockbuster Music & the Virgin Megastore for forcing the public to buy CDs. This published article sounds like a company's opinion to bastardize the public's perception on the longevity of CDs. And... So that I might avoid cracks on my CDs. I'll have to buy a leash for my pink elephant. Darn, do you realize how much those cost! >Till now there is no proof for these tests. STOP RIGHT THERE. So why make the claim. In fact that comment right there should make "Nimbus" look like blundering idiots... where were the research notes to back up their comments (probably used as rolling papers...). How would you like it if I made a claim, on this list group, in which I had no evidence to support it (THE SKY IS PINK... FALLING... AND YOU SHOULD BE SCARED ABOUT IT). Nimbus (or Nitwit) should have been embarrased and crawled back in their little six to eight research cubby-hole. What were they smoking? >All in all the infinite durability is dubious. But it will be seen if the >situation is really that dramatical." ATARI magazin 4/89 Thank you very much. Certainly NOT written by an Ivy Leaguer. This article reminds me of watching CSPAN-3. Geez! Isn't ATARI out of business anyway? My Atari PACMAN game only lasted six to eight years, has cracks on it, and the Atari label is melting through the plastic. Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) Bad Vinyl hangover Date: 12 Jul 1997 13:06:00 +0300 Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > > No, what you listen is whats on the inner groove. Those records must > > have a really bad pressing with very shallow & thin grooves, probably > > even a little bit distorted by the adjacent grooves. So what you are > > actually getting is a preview of the next song... > > This isn't even physically possible. The phemon described is just simple tape > print-though caused by poor storage of the masters. > Right. The recommended professional practice back in those analog tape days was to store the tapes "tails out", that is, play or ffwd it through and not rewind it. That way the print-through sounds like an ordinary echo, after the real sound. It's not so noticeable that way. I would guess Kraftwerk, perfectionists as they are, would always stick to this rule (see, I finally got a Kraftwerk link here so the people who are bored with this CD/vinyl/tape/bits/etc subject can't flame me). Otso NP: Panasonic: Kulma # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) CD durability Date: 12 Jul 1997 04:11:13 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 12 Jul 1997, Larry R. LaCost Jr. wrote: > At what level of misuse and how long you misuse the disk in order to > produce these cracks? I suppose that if my pet pink elephant walked on my > CDs, I might end up with a few cracks on my disks. Donate a CD to the library and you'll see. The "pooblic libary" here has a large CD collection, and it's very hard to find one without scratches etc. I even found one that was actually snapped in half. I accidentally scratched one of mine putting it into the player. So it IS possible. > Isn't ATARI out of business anyway? My Atari PACMAN game only lasted six > to eight years, has cracks on it, and the Atari label is melting through > the plastic. The Atari that produced your Pac-Man is gone. They were bought by Warner, if I recall correctly, and split into a few small companies still called Atari [specialty]. They are still turning out an occasional arcade game and home system. --> /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Morper Subject: Re: (kw) CD durability Date: 12 Jul 1997 16:09:18 -0200 Okay, obviously you didn't like the article very much. I think I've to explain a few things... Some people here say CDs will break down after a few years, others say that their 1983-CDs still play perfectly fine. To put an end to this (in my opinion) a bit boring discussion I decided to translate this article. It gives some facts and I think everybody can draw his own conclusions (I agree with most of yours). >So that I might avoid cracks on my CDs. I'll have to buy a leash for my pink >elephant. Darn, do you realize how much those cost! Remember, English isn't my native language. And have you ever tried to find technical vocabulary in a standard dictionary? The original word was "Haarrisse" meaning tiny, really tiny cracks that occur when you, for example, bend a CD or expose it to great temperature differences. It doesn't mean "crack" in the sense of "breaking". >>Till now there is no proof for these tests. >STOP RIGHT THERE. So why make the claim. In fact that comment right there >should make "Nimbus" look like blundering idiots... where were the research >notes to back up their comments (probably used as rolling papers...). My fault. Insert "confirmation" or "verification" instead of "proof", this will change the meaning. >Thank you very much. Certainly NOT written by an Ivy Leaguer. This article >reminds me of watching CSPAN-3. Geez! Maybe I should have added the following... this was no boulevard-style "CDs dissolving!" article, it was mainly about how CDs are constructed, how they work (lands, pits, bits, bytes, sectors, ...) and so on. The "durability-question" was just a part of this. >Isn't ATARI out of business anyway? It was ATARImagazin (a German magazine dealing with Atari computers), not Atari nor Atari Games. What it has got to do with Kraftwerk? Well, they publish CDs (every ten years or so), don't they? :-) I agree, this is far far away from the topic of this list, so use private mail for any questions or comments. Thank you. Bye, Tomasz (tmorper@karlstadt.netsurf.de) NP: u-Ziq # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robotkl@earthlink.net (KL) Subject: (kw) CD vs. DVD Date: 12 Jul 1997 10:34:13 -0600 Why don't you people make a separate digest list for CD and DVD debate. I thought this list is supposed to pertain to Kraftwerk.. ?? ______________________________________________________ http://members.aol.com/KevinL1712/Music/KevinLux2.html Robot Music is now a reality!!!!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew FALTONSON Subject: (kw) Werkers Unite!! Date: 12 Jul 1997 10:23:00 -0700 Hi! I'm planning a 6 Hour radio program in Central California on Kraftwerk in November. I'd hope to find some 'obscure' music sources on this list. I've just started on this list very recently! I am looking for CD because the radio station turntables and stylus are in very poor condition. Also, any interview sound bites and such would be most welcome. The program will be from 12 midnight on Friday Nov 28th till 6 am Nov 29th. The name of the program is: That Time of the Month because the parent station (KPFA in Berkeley) goes black so I occasionally do programming for this slot. It's always a lot of fun and the odd phone call from 'spaced' out truck drivers who wonder what the strange music is!!! All helpful initiatives are appreciated. dru # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco DuBose Subject: (kw) Can your hear me ok? Date: 13 Jul 1997 10:01:36 -0600 >> I don't like to use dolby noise reduction because it >> seems to truncate the high end. >Playing a tape with the Dolby on is only a good idea when the tape was >recorded with Dolby on too. Some compression of treble is to be expected >anyway, particularly with Dolby C. Yeah, I picked up on that. I'm not talking turning on Dolby after the fact. It's the dolby process itself that I don't like. >> I have a friend who is an audio engineer and talks about >> once setting up a studio to broadcast just enough so that the musicians >> could hear it on their car radios in the parking lot. If it didn't sound >> good in the car, then it wasn't good. I'm a video editor and we >> frequently will do a final mix through a small television speaker >> because that's what they have at home. >It's a good practice, but we were talking about absolute sound quality >& Hi-Fi. Here is the essence of the debate. We're not talking about absolute sound quality. We are talking about measurement vs. perception. Some folks feel the need to let statistics determine thier listening plesure while others have a more visceral response. Please - no flames from you audiophiles out there. It's just different strokes for different folks. As I said - everyone's sonic experience is valid. Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco DuBose Subject: (kw) DVD Date: 13 Jul 1997 09:30:04 -0600 Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in space continues... Date: 13 Jul 1997 01:10:01 +0200 [tapes] >through and not rewind it. That way the print-through sounds like an >would guess Kraftwerk, perfectionists as they are, would always stick to no, they used to store tapes straight, without winding them, and once used the tapes to build the tethered satellite that happened to break some months ago, I don't remember if this connected whit the Hubble affair... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) old Kraftwerk item advice... Date: 13 Jul 1997 01:10:05 +0200 hello, I need an advice from the experts. do you remember the two records, one with a red/white circuit board on the cover, and the other with a blue autobahn logo, and an yellow-orange-red strip all over them, that contained "excerpts" from old K albums? I've seen the second one on a record shop for 25.000 liras (25 DM, 10=A3,= 15$, hope the Euro catch soon). do you think it's worth it, from the speculative point of view? I'm not a feticist (and anyway I should have both records buried somewhere from 20+ years), phonically the tracks were horribly cut out to have two albums fit in one, but who know, some crazy will pay me thousand dollars for it... :-)) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) kw desktop theme?? Date: 13 Jul 1997 01:10:13 +0200 >>does anyone on the list know if there are any kraftwerk desktop themes >should be the background image? I personally like the image of them at >the cafe table in front of the digitally reproduced hillside. Ideas? oh well, this should relief us from the cd-dvd affair... :-) the color pic from the inner sleeve of TEE? nice one... my win 311 (yes, I still use that...) start with "it's more fun to compute"... from TEE you can also take the final sound of the braking train for the shut down... the round pentagram for hourclock (this should be tricky)... ah, and of course one of the two door slam at the beginning of autobahn for the window minimize! anyway there is a K theme, someone on the list told about this shortly ago, but probably you were not subscribed then. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs Date: 13 Jul 1997 01:09:58 +0200 >> I agree. to my opinion piracy proliferate for two main reason: >> - originals costs too much (30%) > >higher, I think they're making more than 30% on it. no, I was meaning that this reason contribute for 30% to the proliferation of piracy, while the main reason is the second one... >> - there are a lot of groups that just sucks and when you're burned once you >> don't risk that lot of money again (70%). > >Depends on how you shop. I almost never buy CDs blind. I only buy music >I've heard before, either on the radio or at a friend's place. I try to do that but it's a little recursive... my friends will not buy cd because they cost too much etc. ... >> - liberalize cd renting (would you imagine yourself not buying a Kraftwerk >> album because you taped it? :-) ) > >I have done so with other artists, because I can't afford to buy to me is ok. if you are not stimulated so much to actually buy them, then you will have not buyied then all the same, so if you tape them is no loss for anyone. I don't think it's piracy. same could be said about software, but don't enter in this mined zone... I'll agree very much on a reasonable tax in favour of (c) holder over cd renting, like it happen, if I'm not wrong, with videotapes. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: (kw) Can you please take your discussion elsewhere?? Date: 13 Jul 1997 01:12:46 +0200 Hi! The whole discussion about DVD's, CDs, Turntable, Noise whatever is mighty interresting, but i'm getting very very VERY bored of downloading messeges that go directly in the dumpster. Itz time to knock it off are take the discussion somewhere else. Please! Laterz, Statik. -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs Date: 12 Jul 1997 17:16:04 -0600 (MDT) On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, lbo wrote: > >Depends on how you shop. I almost never buy CDs blind. I only buy music > >I've heard before, either on the radio or at a friend's place. > > I try to do that but it's a little recursive... my friends will not buy cd > because they cost too much etc. ... I suppose so. I'm lucky that way. I have a friend who's a DJ, and he and his roomie buy tons of CDs and let me listen to them. > to me is ok. if you are not stimulated so much to actually buy them, then > you will have not buyied then all the same, so if you tape them is no loss > for anyone. I don't think it's piracy. same could be said about software, It's a sticky issue in both places. Try-before-you-buy is great, as long as you remember to buy and don't redistribute what you try. But you're right, this is a huge can of worms and not appropriate to the list. --> /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Can you please take your discussion elsewhere?? Date: 13 Jul 1997 04:09:58 -0400 (EDT) 0weterings01@flnet.nl (Statik) wrote: > The whole discussion about DVD's, CDs, Turntable, Noise whatever is mighty >interresting, but i'm getting very very VERY bored of downloading messeges >that go directly in the dumpster. Itz time to knock it off are take the >discussion somewhere else. Please! HERE HERE! that having been said, let's not digress into how this list was established solely for the discussion of kraftwerk and kraftwerk ALONE. i'm not at all opposed to discussing a variety of topics here (even when they are a bit "off-the-topic"), but J-H-C!!! i think you can only expect the list to tolerate so much of this techno-babble concerning the legacy of CD's and DVD's! i think we're all ready for a new thread, eh? (or maybe a 'rope', even). any ideas??? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) 343572110526 Date: 13 Jul 1997 12:16:19 +0200 =20 _________________________=20 : )=20 _________________________=20 =20 Hello ! ! ! =20 =20 I just tried to figure out what number they say at the=20 end of "Computer World/Computerwelt 2", it was not very =20 easy! I recorded the speech to my computer and played it=20 over and over again and I think I know what is said:=20 =20 "dreihundertdreiundvierzigmilliardenfuenfhundertzweiund=20 siebzigmillioneneinhundertzehntausendfuenfhundertsechs=20 undzwanzig"=20 =20 ...which is equivalent of 343 572 110 526=20 =20 can anyone confirm this?=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 n.p. Squerepusher!=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: re: (kw) Videos? Date: 13 Jul 1997 13:47:30 -0700 hi, johann wrote to the list: > I've been looking for mpg or Quicktime movies with Kraftwerk on the net, > but only found (not so ONLY, really, i've got them running as screensavers all > day long) a few short clips of Ralf walking out from a concert (thats my > favorit), the robots and TEE where have you found them??? ciao werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Atari Date: 13 Jul 1997 21:11:33 -0400 >>> Isn't ATARI out of business anyway? My Atari PAC-MAN game only lasted six to eight years, has cracks on it, and the Atari label is melting through the plastic. <<< Nope. Atari's owned by Time Warner (Time Warner Interactive Entertainment, to be exact) again, and makes arcade games under the "Atari Games" moniker. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Videos? Date: 14 Jul 1997 9:06:35 +0100 Till: Allers, Johan Andersson; kraftwerk@xmission=2Ecom Bilagor: ENVELOPE=2ETXT - hi, johann wrote to the list: > I've been looking for mpg or Quicktime movies with Kraftwerk on the net, > but only found (not so ONLY, really, i've got them running as screensaver= s all > day long) a few short clips of Ralf walking out from a concert (thats my > favorit), the robots and TEE werner wrote:=20 > where have you found them??? They=B4re all at the Kraftwerk Infobahr at: http://www=2Ecs=2Eumu=2Ese/studenter/kraftwerk/Video/video_images=2Ehtml # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) 343572110526 Date: 14 Jul 1997 01:57:10 -0700 >I just tried to figure out what number they say at the=20 >end of "Computer World/Computerwelt 2", it was not very =20 >easy! I recorded the speech to my computer and played it=20 >over and over again and I think I know what is said:=20 >=20 >"dreihundertdreiundvierzigmilliardenfuenfhundertzweiund=20 > siebzigmillioneneinhundertzehntausendfuenfhundertsechs=20 > undzwanzig"=20 >=20 >...which is equivalent of 343 572 110 526=20 I always imagine it saying some fantastic mathmatical equation... But you are probably correct. Just numbers. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) 343 572 110 526 Date: 14 Jul 1997 11:30:26 +0100 Mats wrote: I just tried to figure out what number they say at the=20 end of "Computer World/Computerwelt 2", it was not very =20 easy! I recorded the speech to my computer and played it=20 over and over again and I think I know what is said:=20 =20 "dreihundertdreiundvierzigmilliardenfuenfhundertzweiund=20 siebzigmillioneneinhundertzehntausendfuenfhundertsechs=20 undzwanzig"=20 =20 =2E=2E=2Ewhich is equivalent of 343 572 110 526=20 =20 This is a very interesting fact you=B4ve discovered, I wonder what=20 343 572 110 526 is? is it a perfect number of some kind - anybody who knows= ? /johan ooo ooo =20= =20 =20 oooooo oooooo =20= =20 =20 oooooooo ooooooooo =20 ooooooooooo oooooooooooo =20 oooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooo =20 oooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo=20 oooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo=20 oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo ooo ooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooo ooooo oooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo oooooooo oooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo oooooooo ooooooooooooooooo ooooo ooo =20= =20 =20 ooooooooo oooooooooooo =20= =20 =20 ooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wisse e." Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk tickets for 18 October available! Date: 14 Jul 1997 16:44:15 -0500 Hello all, You can now order your tickets for the Kraftwerk concert in Karlsruhe on October 18! I just ordered mine through www.ticketworld.de! After a number of failed attempts to see Kraftwerk live it really looks like I'll be able to see them at last! Hope to see you in Karlsruhe! Groet'n Edwin (I have no connection with ticketworld, or with Kraftwerk, for that matter :-) -- Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) theme95 Date: 14 Jul 1997 18:02:20 +0200 Hello!=20 =20 I just updated my KW page with a brand new Kraftwerk theme for=20 windows95, which I finished today. Send me an e-mail if you like it!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 http://www.student.gu.se/~maka0067=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." Subject: (kw) Pop Lions Date: 14 Jul 1997 15:49:06 -0700 I found an album that I'm not familiar with. According to MusicMatch - www.musicmatch.com Kraftwerk came out with an album/bootleg called "Pop Lions." Do a search on Kraftwerk then go into Discography, check the "Include info on albums not for sale" and then rerun it again. It lists a lot of bootlegs and one of the is "Pop Lions [Comp] (1976)." Can anyone verify that this is an actual album/bootleg KW made? Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael schneider Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk tickets for 18 October available! Date: 15 Jul 1997 14:43:39 +0100 Hi# i got some tickets from ticket-world fon +49(0)2323/924574 this is faster than www.ticketworld.de (it is also a different dealer) see ya michael 0000,0000,ffff Michael Schneider 0000,0000,ffff ffff,0000,0000 NDE Cisco Systems 0000,0000,ffff (0000,8080,808049)06196 479645 0000,0000,ffff mschneid@0000,ffff,0000cisco0000,0000,ffff.ffff,0000,ffffcom 0000,0000,8080 less is more ......Mies van der Rohe [BAUHAUS] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael schneider Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk tickets for 18 October available! Date: 15 Jul 1997 15:01:36 +0100 sorry that was the fax No the whright one is +49(0)2323/924573 michael Hi# i got some tickets from ticket-world fon +49(0)2323/924574 this is faster than www.ticketworld.de (it is also a different dealer) see ya michael 0000,0000,ffff Michael Schneider 0000,0000,ffff ffff,0000,0000 NDE Cisco Systems 0000,0000,ffff (0000,8080,808049)06196 479645 0000,0000,ffff mschneid@0000,ffff,0000cisco0000,0000,ffff.ffff,0000,ffffcom 0000,0000,8080 less is more ......Mies van der Rohe [BAUHAUS] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. Michael Schneider NDE Cisco Systems 06196 479645 mschneid@cisco.com less is more ......Mies van der Rohe [BAUHAUS] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: (kw) one more tg97 review Date: 15 Jul 1997 16:31:19 +0200 Hi, Just wanted to say that the french techno magazine "CODa - nouvelles cultures" July issue contains (at last) a review of Kraftwerk at TG97. It features a large but blured picture of KW playing Autobahn. Tim. -- Timour JGENTI | Institut Francais du Petrole __ _______________|_______________________________________|____ ________ / timour.jgenti@ifp.fr | | __| / / http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ | | | # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Pop Lions Date: 15 Jul 1997 09:50:51 -0600 (MDT) > I found an album that I'm not familiar with. According to MusicMatch - > www.musicmatch.com Kraftwerk came out with an album/bootleg called "Pop > Lions." > > Can anyone verify that this is an actual album/bootleg KW made? Yup. It's a 1974 compilation on Philips, covering material through Autobahn. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Pop Lions Date: 15 Jul 1997 12:07:50 EDT On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:49:06 -0700 "Larry R. LaCost Jr." writes: > >I found an album that I'm not familiar with. According to MusicMatch - >www.musicmatch.com Kraftwerk came out with an album/bootleg called >"Pop >Lions." >Do a search on Kraftwerk then go into Discography, check the "Include >info >on albums not for sale" and then rerun it again. It lists a lot of >bootlegs >and one of the is "Pop Lions [Comp] (1976)." > >Can anyone verify that this is an actual album/bootleg KW made? > >Larry R. LaCost Jr. i dont think its a bootleg per se...its one of those budget type compilations that u see in every gas station in europe (which is where i got mine on cassette) ...they got this series for every artist under the sun...ill check the details and if anyone really gives a crap ill post em.... tom w np: eno - the drop # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk tickets for 18 October available! Date: 15 Jul 1997 12:30:10 -0400 Hy it seems as if Michael has given the fax number. The phone number of = ticket-world is the = +49(0)2323 924573 ! I figuerred out that the fax number is also required, because you place = the order by fax. Payment is done by allowing them to book of the = required amount of money from your bank account... bye Oliver >Hi >i got some tickets from ticket-world fon +49(0)2323 /924574 >this is faster than www.ticketworld.de (it is also a different dealer) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: SV: (kw) Pop Lions Date: 15 Jul 1997 19:39:05 +-200 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: tweibrecht@juno.com=20 Skickat: den 15 juli 1997 18:08 Till: llacost@sand-piper.com Kopia: kraftwerk@xmission.com =C4mne: Re: (kw) Pop Lions Fellow Werkers All this talk about Poplions, was it released officially on LP??? I thoght it was only released on cassette. Uffe http://www.algonet.se/silverup/kraft # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Miguel Angel Esteban Subject: (kw) re: 343 572 110 526=20 Date: 15 Jul 1997 17:03:16 +0200 > >...which is equivalent of 343 572 110 526=20 > > I always imagine it saying some fantastic mathmatical equation... But > you are probably correct. Just numbers. > > Well... Looking to the numbers, seems a telephon from Barcelona or so... ;-) > -- wwWWww [o][o] ------------------------ooO--(__)--Ooo----------------------------------- Fairlight Jarre Newsletter. Fanzine by the Spanish J.M. Jarre Fanclub email : maec@arrakis.es web : http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1176 Price per issue: 150 pesetas ========================================================================= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hiroshi MURATA Subject: (kw) La Duesseldorf/VIVA Date: 16 Jul 1997 09:04:25 +0900 Hi, A Japanese independent CD manufacturer Captain Trip Records announces the arrival of La Duesseldorf/VIVA, Dinger's 1978 work. Exclusively from the company, for Japan only. US$20 for a copy, postage included. They can be reached at: CAPTAIN TRIP RECORDS 3-17-14 Minami-Koiwa, Edogawa-ku Tokyo Japan FAX (81) 3-3659-5169. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo, Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) Thoughs on Karlsruhe Gig..... Date: 16 Jul 1997 02:31:57 +0200 On 08.07.97 at 03:18, barnhill@FALCON.easyway.net wrote:=20 =20 > > I think Ralf & Florian are THE definitive masters at maintaining =20 their=20 > >aura of mysteriousm and building hype. That is maybe one of the=20 reasons we=20 > >all love them so much.... Anybody agree????=20 > =20 > Agreed, by far the definitive masters of musical mystery,=20 > only to be outdone by their music itself. I think it'd be great=20 > that KW play in Karlsruhe even though I'm all the way over here in=20 > New York City. The more shows they play, the more hope I'll keep=20 > alive that I still might get to see them someday!! Then life will=20 > be complete. :-)=20 > =20 > --=20 > Robotically Yours,=20 > Scott M. Barnhill=20 > barnhill@easyway.net=20 > "Sogar die gr=F6ssten Stars..."=20 > =20 =B0=B0 HI SCOTT!=20 I just want to say, that I like your mails to the Kraftwerk-List. My=20 english is to low to write on the list also, but i like to read all=20 those other kw-crazy - guys.=20 I`ve seen the Tribal Gathering-Concert and hope to come to Karlsruhe on=20 the 18th of October!=20 Regards=20 Josef=20 I`M THE ANTENNA CATCHING VIBRATION YOU`RE THE TRANSMITTER GIVE=20 INFORMATION =B0 =B0=B0 =B0=B0=B0=20 =20 sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: (kw) Re: pop lions Date: 15 Jul 1997 20:51:02 EDT heres the dope: fontana m/c 7252231: pop lions - autobahn - kraftwerk seite 1: autobahn elektrisches roulette tongebirge mitternacht seite 2: tanzmusik kometenmelodie 1 morgenspaziergang according to the label, also available as lp 6434348 - made in west germany np: u guessed it! sounds amazingly good considering it came out in 1973.... tom w # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ZAWREL Johann / GFW Subject: (kw) What kind of list is this ?? Date: 16 Jul 1997 07:18:00 +0200 I cant belive whats going on, on this list !! At first there were discussions about Gary Numan, Aphex Twin, about the data transfer via internet, about selfmade CDs, and now we have a dicussion about Atari, DVD and its countrycodes. There are some PSX games which uses KW Samples in the background, so why dont discuss if Sony or Sega has the better playmachine. In the WCW there are some Wrestlers, who use some KW samples in there entrance music , so why dont talk about professional Wrestling ? Come on girls and boys, this is a KRAFTWERK- Digest, please back to the roots. Bye, Johann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) re: 343 572 110 526=20 Date: 16 Jul 1997 13:28:32 +0100 Miguel Angel Esteban wrote: > > > >...which is equivalent of 343 572 110 526=20 > > > > I always imagine it saying some fantastic mathmatical equation... But > > you are probably correct. Just numbers. > > > > Well... Looking to the numbers, seems a telephon from Barcelona or so... ;-) > > Actually, it could be anything like the weight of the Great Pyramid or the distance between Mars and the Sun, or the amount of bandwidth wasted on that topic... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) What kind of list is this ?? Date: 16 Jul 1997 13:53:59 +0100 As I mentionned in a recent private e-mail : Indeed, such topics would be more convenient on Electronica or any similar list. However, I suscribed to the KW list about 3 months ago, and it's the first time (for the last week or so) that I don't get bored by the discussions going on here... Furthermore, I feel it's quite normal that such discussions occur on a list dedicated to a band whose whole production is dedicated to technology and the new ways of life it triggers. If such discussions occured elsewhere, it would stick among experts, for I think that only experts (and experts wannabees) suscribe to high level tech lists. Here, there's the opportunity for a much larger audience to pick up accurate technical info on a wide range of topics which are, after all, quite KWish in essence... Why not start a few other discussions on atom bombs, railway technology, the best ways of designing and buiding highways, microprocessors, sexual life of top models, etc. ;-) And frankly, don't you get also tired of downloading 50 messages saying only "did they play any new song at TG ?" ... I seriously think that all these kind of discussions are a wonderful tribute to KW ! Cheers, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: SV: (kw) re: 343 572 110 526=20 Date: 16 Jul 1997 14:23:45 +-200 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: jbv=20 Skickat: den 16 juli 1997 14:29 Till: kraftwerk@xmission.com =C4mne: Re: (kw) re: 343 572 110 526=3D20 Actually, it could be anything like the weight of the Great Pyramid or the distance between Mars and the Sun, or the amount of bandwidth wasted on that topic... jbv Ha ha ha ha ha!!!! We have a comedian in the list :-) Uffe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: (kw) yet another TG97 review Date: 16 Jul 1997 22:58:23 +0900 Hi 'Werkers, Japanese magazine "ele-king" (Volume 14, August/September 1997 issue) has a review for Tribal Gathering 1997. Only one small B/W photo for Kraftwerk are there, but the writing is really impressive. "Everything is clsssified by Pre- and Post-Kraftwerk" A headache is, as usual, everything's written in dumb Japanese characters. The publisher can be reached at: "ele-king" editorial staff Ele-ments Corp. 2-7-17-8F Kita-Aoyama Minato-ku Tokyo 107 Japan. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Sarcasm Date: 16 Jul 1997 15:26:46 +0000 ever wondered if Ralph or Florian have considered what the real differences are between Shimano and Campagnola?! Do they use a close ratio gear set on their bicycles? Is it reynolds 501 tubing...............no, no only joking. I don't want to be accused of starting another off topic conversation. Oh, I did purchase a authentic Tour De France style bike once, but due to my large 17 stone (238 lbs) power lifter type frame I kept having problems with burst rear tyres!! No risk of me being called a KW fanatic here. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kaoru CHIDA Subject: (kw) Happy Birthday, Wolfgang! Date: 17 Jul 1997 00:45:00 +0900 17 July...Today is Mr.Wolfgang Fluer's birthday. He was born 1947 in Frankfurt Germany. "Happy birthday, Mr.Fluer!!" "Alles Gute zum Geburtstag, Herr Fluer!!" "Otanjyoubi omedetou, Fluer-san!!" With Love xxx KaoRu #---Sorry,I don't write English well. I hope you can read it... *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Madame Curie / Frau Kaoru BARTOS *** *** from Tokio with love xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ferm=EDn_Goiriz?=" Subject: (kw) 343 572 110 52620 Date: 16 Jul 1997 19:09:53 +0200 > Actually, it could be anything like the weight of the Great > Pyramid or the distance between Mars and the Sun, or the amount > of bandwidth wasted on that topic... I don't know why, but I also have the feeling that it's SOMETHING, not just a random number. Maybe it's some kind of Kraftwerk-ish joke. But this is really almost impossible to know... Fermin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) 100% on-topic and interesting Date: 16 Jul 1997 19:29:36 +0100 Dear fellow members, At last I have a 100% on-topic question. Actually, it is something I've been wondering for years. At the end of TEE, you can clearly hear the sound of a braking train (no, I'm not gonna start a discussion about what kind of train...), and obviously, this is a "natural" sound (I mean non synthetic). But what about the passing cars in the middle of Autobahn ? Are those sounds natural or synthetic ? I'M NOT TALKING about the sound of a starting car at the beginning of that song ! Telling the truth, I made some research on this. A few months ago, I drove all the way from Paris to Prague through Germany using the highway. And I stopped a few times just to listen to the sound of passing cars on german highways (yes, I wasn't in a hurry and the weather was quite fine). And I'm 99% sure that the sounds of passing cars that can be heard on the MIX version of Autobahn are non-synthetic. I like the idea of Ralf stopping his car somewhere and recording those sounds on a portable DAT... But what about the sounds of cars in the original version of Autobahn ???????????? jbv P.S. for geeks : obviously, some of the synthetic voices heard on KW songs use formant synthesis. The same technique can be used to synthesize the sound of other instruments (drums, woodwinds...). But could it be used for other kind of sounds like cars or trains ? Or perhaps did they use an analyze / re-synthesis technique... But Autobahn was recorded in 1974... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) 343 572 110 52620 Date: 16 Jul 1997 19:40:04 +0100 Fermín Goiriz wrote: > > > Actually, it could be anything like the weight of the Great > > Pyramid or the distance between Mars and the Sun, or the amount > > of bandwidth wasted on that topic... > > I don't know why, but I also have the feeling that it's SOMETHING May be you just want it to be something... Like Led Zeppelin fans who hear satanic messages while playing albums backwards... If I can add some clue to this topic, I would say that NUMBERS is a song from the Computer World album, and as far as I remember, during the 1981 CW tour, a few minutes before the beginning of the show (that is before the synthetic voice started to say "Meine Damen und Herren..." and the curtain opened) they used to play the simple sound of a VCO driven by a random voltage generator. Because of that (I know it's not much as a clue) I think it's pure random numbers. And it sounds quite KWish to me (although the morse signal at the beginning of RA actually spells the title of the song). Well... Actually, I think it's possible to make some mathematical analysis of the number and make sure it's random or not (provided you can know exactly what numbers the voice says...) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) 343 572 110 52620 Date: 16 Jul 1997 11:41:37 -0700 -(re: "Numbers", Fermin sez:)- > I don't know why, but I also have the feeling that it's SOMETHING, not just > a random number. Maybe it's some kind of Kraftwerk-ish joke. But this is > really almost impossible to know... Hm-m-m, interesting. I always thought it was simply a speeded-up sequence of "ein, zwei, drei, vier...." as repeated throughout the song. Another "waste of bandwidth" point to ponder: Which is the "correct" international RADIOACTIVE symbol? Is it the same way as on the KW stickers with the small circle in the center, or is it with three triangles coming to a center-point? I lean toward the KW version, ofcourse, but, I've seen it both ways on various signs. I'm thinking the triangle-point version applies to fall-out shelters rather than the presence of contaminated materials. whatever. Komputer Krash! -(Another KooL tune! And "Oh, Synthesizer" sounds VERY familiar.*wink*.)- While I'm at it, I might as well inform all my CyberBuddies that I'll be off-line for atleast a week as of tomorrow. -(I was off-line for a coupla days, but, the System is minimally-restored for the moment, just enough to do Email for today only. The entire hard-drive needs to be replaced, so, it'll take a while.)- All incoming Email should be safe on my Server in the meantime. Please stay in touch! "Ah'll be bahck." "Hasta la vista, bay-be!" KRAFTWERK RULES THE UNIVERSE!!!! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) 100% on-topic and interesting Date: 16 Jul 1997 14:56:49 -0400 (EDT) the passing car sounds on Autobahn are made by Florian turning the pitch bend knob on his white arp odyssey synthesizer.....the oscillators are obviously set to sound similar to cars speeding and the turning of the knob simulates doppler effect of the cars passing on the highway. i saw him doing it on a live video on PBS... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: re: (kw) Pop Lions Date: 16 Jul 1997 21:55:09 -0700 hi, Larry R. LaCost Jr. wrote to the list: > I found an album that I'm not familiar with. According to MusicMatch - > www.musicmatch.com Kraftwerk came out with an album/bootleg called "Pop > Lions." > > Can anyone verify that this is an actual album/bootleg KW made? it's not a bootleg but it's a german compilation album from '74 Philips/Fontana 6434 348 with an exclusive picturesleeve: the pic of the german R&F-lp (coloured!), the orange cone and the poplions-logo tracklist A B Autobahn 6:30 Tanzmusik 6:34 Elektrisches Roulette 4:19 Kometenmelodie 1 6:20 Tongebirge 2:50 Mitternacht 3:40 Morgenspaziergang 4:00 needless to say, that it has it's value today, even if > its one of those budget type compilations that u see in every gas station in europe (check every record collector...) regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: re: (kw) old Kraftwerk item advice... Date: 16 Jul 1997 21:40:28 -0700 hi, ibo wrote to the list: > do you remember the two records, one with a red/white circuit board on > the cover, and the other with a blue autobahn logo, and an > yellow-orange-red strip all over them, that contained "excerpts" from > old K albums? for everybody who's interested: ibo is talking about 2 italian compilation lp'S - Kraftwerk 1 - Excerpts from Kraftwerk 1 & Ralf und Florian Fontana 9286875 - Kraftwerk 2 - Excerpts from Kraftwerk 2 & Autobahn Fontana 9286876 both with exclusive picturesleeve (a 'mix' of both albums. the main 'theme' of the ps of Kraftwerk 1 is the uk-ps of Ralf&Florian, Kraftwerk 2 shows the uk-ps of Autobahn). the titles are in each case the titles of both lp's in edited versions. > I've seen the second one on a record shop for 25.000 liras (25 DM, 15$, hope the > Euro catch soon). > do you think it's worth it, from the speculative point of view? well, IMHO this is pretty cheap cause both lp's are hard to find these days (i saw both once in 15 years), but today it's not that easy anyway to find a kraftwerk record below 25 DM. if i find it in italy next month i'll buy it although i have it! regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." Subject: (kw) "Oh, Synthesizer" Date: 16 Jul 1997 13:59:00 -0700 ROBOT was talking about a song made by Komputer called "Oh, Synthesizer." from their E.P. (circa 1996). I have a copy of this and it sounds dangerously close to "Neaon Lights" by KW. I'd like to know, for those of you who have listened to this song, what your opinion is on this? Do you think it's a copyright violation? In my opinion... it is... and Kraftwerk should be compensated. What do you think? Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) radioactivity signal Date: 17 Jul 1997 01:34:02 +0200 >Another "waste of bandwidth" point to ponder: Which is the "correct" >international RADIOACTIVE symbol? Is it the same way as on the KW for what I remember from studies, the only symbol of danger from radioactivity is the one with the circle in the middle where the triangles have their inner points cut to a curve to face the inner circle. but what I don't really remeber is if it comes with one triangle on the top and two in the base or viceversa. personally I like more the one with two triangles on the top... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) 100% on-topic and interesting Date: 17 Jul 1997 01:33:28 +0200 >But what about the sounds of cars in the original version of >Autobahn ???????????? once R&F told that they used to go around in autobahns with their mike out of the windows of their van to record the noise of cars entering and exiting from galleries and similar! (maybe I read this in Bussy's book...) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) 343 572 110 52620 Date: 17 Jul 1997 01:33:59 +0200 >I don't know why, but I also have the feeling that it's SOMETHING, not maybe that - for this quantity of digits - in german it's the number that contain more characters when written down (and thus readed)? for instance, if I had to write in letters a long number, something to put a speech sinthetizer under pressure, in italian I'll choose a number with a lot of 4 (quattro) and 5 (cinque). or maybe the pronunciation of this number cover all the phonetic occurrences they were interested into? anyway, not to contradict you, but my feeling is that they just pushed some random button on a numeric keyboard, like in live Pocket Calculator... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: re: (kw) old Kraftwerk item advice... Date: 17 Jul 1997 01:36:44 +0200 >ibo wrote to the list: for those concerned, my alias is L-b-o etc. >ibo is talking about 2 italian compilation lp'S yes, they are the one you better described. I must add that the one I saw was an old battered used copy, and that it's impossible to find this record for new. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: SV: (kw) "Oh, Synthesizer" Date: 17 Jul 1997 02:16:38 +-200 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Larry R. LaCost Jr.=20 Skickat: den 16 juli 1997 22:59 Till: kraftwerk@xmission.com =C4mne: (kw) "Oh, Synthesizer" > ROBOT was talking about a song made by Komputer called "Oh, = Synthesizer." > from their E.P. (circa 1996). > I have a copy of this and it sounds dangerously close to "Neaon = Lights" by KW. > I'd like to know, for those of you who have listened to this song, = what > your opinion is on this? Do you think it's a copyright violation? > In my opinion... it is... and Kraftwerk should be compensated. What do = you > think? > Larry R. LaCost Jr. Hmmm... Or is it just so simple that it is a hommage to Kraftwerk? No I dont think Kraftwerk should be compensated, the song is probably = made with love, Isnt thats payment enough ;-) Uffe =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original = sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) radioactivity signal Date: 16 Jul 1997 17:23:44 -0700 >but what I don't really remeber is if it comes with one triangle on the top >and two in the base or viceversa. personally I like more the one with two >triangles on the top... Kraftwerk's Radioactivity 12" CD Remix (1992) has 2 triangles on top and 1 on the bottom on both the CD and the cover. Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) What kind of list is this ?? Date: 16 Jul 1997 19:07:58 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, jbv wrote: > Furthermore, I feel it's quite normal that such discussions occur > on a list dedicated to a band whose whole production is dedicated > to technology and the new ways of life it triggers. Thanks for your support. You know what I'd like to see in a KW DVD release? A video for each of their songs, with any extra space filled up with concert footage and interviews. > Why not start a few other discussions on atom bombs, railway > technology, the best ways of designing and buiding highways, > microprocessors, sexual life of top models, etc. ;-) And dancing with robots, and the goings-on on the spacelab (Mir) etc... /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gus spencer" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Review Date: 16 Jul 1997 10:31:09 +0200 Hi! There's a nice review about Kraftwerk career and nice pics in the spanis On-Line music magazine GRASA: http://www.las.es/grasa/jul_97/baile/baile-lo.htm GRASA E-Zine: http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa --- Editor Grasa E-Zine http://www.las.es/grasa gus@asturies.org Espacio 3 NetServices # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Last shout b4 I go off-line for a while.... Date: 17 Jul 1997 01:15:12 -0700 Okay, the RADIOACTIVE symbol always has 1 triangle on the bottom, whether it's with a circle or points in the center. I always think of KW whenever I see one -not to mention traffic cones, calculators, fancy bikes, and old-fashioned telephones, usw.... I love the way they give "meaning" to ordinary everyday objects that are so often taken for granted. Technology is Art in and of itself. Pure genius. I've been trying to Email Fermin and a bunch of other people, but, some of my messages keep getting bounced. There are TOO many individuals to mention, but, PLEASE stay in touch! I'll be back as soon as I can- hopefully only 1 week, 2 at most. -(stupid hard drive!)- If all else fails, KYTE me! ROBOT aka: Melanie Jean Mayfield 805 "M" Street Eureka, CA 95501-1947 USA ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Garcia Subject: (kw) re: 343 572 110 526 Date: 17 Jul 1997 11:03:43 +0200 this number, 343 572 110 526, could be a phone call to somewhere in barcelona when made from abroad, where it not for the last 2 digits! i posted ages ago, 93 must be it, that in their live version of numbers some figures are said in spanish, and i think they're 1934 and sth. else, but i'm not sure now. jose - la musica ideas portara y siempre continuara - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pawel Kalinowski" Subject: (kw) PD: Wolfgang's anniversary Date: 17 Jul 1997 12:03:02 +0200 Dear Firends, Today when driving my car and listening to DM's Ultra I switched it off = for a second and to my bewilderment radio started to play "Wir sind die = Roboter" from The Mix. They said it was due to Wolfgang Fluer's 50th birthday. Knowing RMF (the radio station mentioned above) they will play different kraftwerk's songs on full hours whole day. You can listen RMF on Astra, it is on MTV channel, just a different sound frequency (can't remember=20 details). Other subject: In several letters you mentioned Wales based company Nimbus that=20 I used to cooperate with several times. I can confirm their high quality service and broad knowledge. I can not agree their quality is worse than = of other CD-manufacturers. I tried many and the only better are=20 SONY DADC from Austria. Of course for most pressing I use cheap Polish manufacturers, but Nimbus is really reliable. What more, Nimbus has got the most modern technology, allowing to press CD's with holograms (I have some of such CD's). When talking about damaging CD's - it is really easy - just touching the second side (the one "without music" - it is much more sensitive)=20 with some force applied causes damage, not to mention a soft touch with a nail.=20 And if we are talking about oxidation - EVERY old CD has holes in=20 it's structure. Just look through it on light and you will see holes! (of course they are visible on CD's that are not fully covered with = paint). Best Regards, Pawel M. Kalinowski Executive Manager / Mirage Software Tel: +48 22 616 1555, Mobile: +48 601 61 50 19 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) Yeah, got my tickets! Date: 17 Jul 1997 08:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Whoa! Today my tickets for Karlsruhe arrived. Too sad, they're just bloody computer-tickets (1991 I had one with a barcode and a robot on it). Maybe we could make a list of all who've got tickets for Karlsruhe and meet there! MfG Carsten Bolte. Kiel. it's more fun to compute * members.aol.com/depechecbi/private/electric.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: SV: (kw) "Oh, Synthesizer" Date: 17 Jul 1997 23:13:04 +0900 Hi 'Werkers, Uffe Silverup wrote: > Or is it just so simple that it is a hommage to Kraftwerk? > > No I dont think Kraftwerk should be compensated, the song is probably > made with love, isnt thats payment enough ;-) I second Uffe. Yes the trck is REALLY close to KW one, but doesn't it mean they soncider KW as their teacher or God or something they worship? FYI, to those who know YMO, there's a fake band called OMY (Oriental Magnetic Yellow) in Japan. They perfoam and play really like YMO, with tracks like Technopolish, Ryzeen, Fiber Cracker, Rice Age, 1000 Knights, Happy Ondo, Pure Gum, Due, and so and so. Their stage and audience also modifies YMO. We can only feel fun and their hommage to YMO... Isn't it funny but cool? 8-) (On their stage last month, I and my girifriend were the closest from the stage!) Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Karlsruhe (+ guests ?) Date: 17 Jul 1997 10:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Hello ! On the ticket you can read: *** KRAFTWERK *** und Gaeste (=and guests) Will they perform after a support-act ? This is the first time, I think! Who will be these guests ? (Elektric Music ? That would be cool.) Carsten Bolte. Kiel. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) "Oh, Synthesizer" Date: 17 Jul 1997 11:20:00 -0400 (EDT) llacost@sand-piper.com (Larry R. LaCost Jr.) wrote: >ROBOT was talking about a song made by Komputer called "Oh, Synthesizer." >from their E.P. (circa 1996). >I have a copy of this and it sounds dangerously close to "Neaon Lights" by KW. >I'd like to know, for those of you who have listened to this song, what >your opinion is on this? Do you think it's a copyright violation? i think everything off of the Komputer EP is dreadfully unoriginal. even their 'ode' to 'velentina tereshkova' (the first russian female astronaut??) is just bloody awful! and 'we are komputer' is just a hodge-podge of everything from 'the robots' to 'pocket calculator' to ' the model'. 'komputer krash', on the other hand, is perhaps the only song on the EP that doesn't entirely derive it's melody from a kraftwerk song (correct me if i'm wrong) but is similar to 'numbers' because of synthetic voices. Even the art on the cd is unabashedly kraftwerkian. i really consider the EP rubbish, but i still think that Komputer should be applauded for their devotion to the kraftwerk-sound. however, i think they would be better suited as a kraftwerk cover band. i really can't speak to what copyright violations there may be between their 'oh synthesizer' and kraftwerk's 'neon lights'. although there's a noticable similarity between the songs, they are very different. i don't think kraftwerk feel threatened at all by komputer...if anything, they're probably flattered. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) La Duesseldorf/VIVA Date: 18 Jul 1997 00:26:53 +0900 Hi 'Werkers, Strange thing: Am 16 Jul 1997 09:04:25 +0900, schreibt Hiroshi MURATA; > A Japanese independent CD manufacturer Captain Trip Records > announces the arrival of La Duesseldorf/VIVA, Dinger's 1978 work. > Exclusively from the company, for Japan only. > US$20 for a copy, postage included. British "Wire" magazine has an ad from Captain Trip and it says $20 per a copy plus s/h. At the same time, a postcard from Captain Trip says it's 2500 yen per a copy. It's equlvalent to $22, withOUT s/h. Can such a thing happen? Or is it just a misprinting or a misinformation? I just don't understand. Can anybody have an idea or a hint? TIA, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ferm=EDn_Goiriz?=" Subject: RE: (kw) re: 343 572 110 526 Date: 17 Jul 1997 19:00:23 +0200 > i posted ages ago, 93 must be it, that in their live version of numbers > some figures are > said in spanish, and i think they're 1934 and sth. else, but i'm not > sure now. > > jose > - la musica ideas portara y siempre continuara - Yeah, and listen to the Tribal Gathering realaudio file... they say, among others, 850 in Spanish. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:46:26 +0200 From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: (kw) News / Karlsruhe Hi all ! We ( Harald and myself ) were in Karlsruhe today, to check the location and to find out who signed the gig with Kraftwerk. We found this person in the building of the ZKM which is ( although still heavily under cunstruction ) a definately fascinating place.=20 It is so enourmous, huge and big that we both were truly overwhelmed by it=B4s size. The way how it=B4s made up is very very kraftwerkish. It seems = to me as a synthesis between the "Nautilus" ( Jules Verne ) and High-Tech space ship. There are several areas where all the offices are located, some high-tech recording studios and places that have been designed to give room for the media art festivals that will take place there. In front of it there is a huge blue cube which is a recording studio for ( as we guessed ) bigger bands or classical ensembles. Anyway - the person responsible for the contract is Ms. Staff. She seems to be in charge of organising the musical events in the ZKM as there wereseveral files on her desk saying "Music Events" We introduced ourselves as "menebers of the kw-mailing list" and though she had an awful lot to do she took the time to talk to us a bit.=20 Unfortunately she wasn=B4t in the mood to give us ALL the information we wanted to have, but okay - we were quite shure that she was simply not allowed to tell us too much. We wanted to know who the "guests" will be playing as support act for KRAFTWERK ( yes ! there are guests mentioned on the flyer she gave us. ) She told us, it will be elektrik music....... ;-))) NO SHE DIDN=B4T !!! I was only joking ! She gave us unfortunately no information on that. Then we asked where the concert will take place in the building. ( Again - a very nice smile, but no info came across those lips, that could have told us so much........ :-)) ) Then we asked if the gig was already planned BEFORE TG and she nodded.So I am of the opinion, that there are some other gigs planned - maybe to introduce some stuff of the new CD ? Don=B4t know. Just guessing. Maybe the just want to get a bit of "ON-STAGE" - feeling, before the ...ahm... fade.= =20 Next question was if it will be posible to organise a meeting point for the listmembers that will join the gig. As the building is so vast this would make sense I F you guys would like to meet and ... later on ... celebrating a party. She said, that she doesn=B4t know now, as there will be much room needed for the opening, but she will keep us informed whether there is a chance or not. If this idea doesnt work, Harald and myself will try to organise a meeting-point in Karlsruhe. ( Depending on you - beeing interested or not ) BTW : Harald is putting up a litle web site for information on Karlsruhe. It can be accessed via :=20 http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unhj/kwlive.html There is not much info on it yet but we=B4ll update it during the next= days.=20 Okay - so far there was not much information, despite the fact that this gig has already been booked before TG. We wanted to have some more infos but she didn=B4t want to tell us. We asked if she maybe could tell us anything regarding the contract - if it was signed by their agency or their label but unfortuately she smiled again..... Later on we visited the building again and took a look inside the blue cube again, as we wondered if this could be the place where KW will play but Harald and I came to the conclusion that - also if it will only be a small audience - this studio was a bit too small. I saw another stair leading up and we decided ( curious as we are ) to take a look on what will be on the next level. We found ourselves in front of a recording room. There was a technician sitting around who had obviously nothing to and so I wondered, if he maybe has some more informations for us. We didn=B4t introduce us this time and I just asked him if he could tell us where we can find the location which is planned for the KW gig. He said " Oh yes - certainly, you will just need to go around the building and there you=B4ll find it."=20 Afterwards he asked us if we are responsible for the PA and the stage-sound and I said "yes!" ( This was definately not true, but I thought that maybe this way we can gather some more infos :-)) ) I also said that we just wanted to check the location....and he again described us the way. We walked about another few minutes and then went in a sort of "light-hall" I am sorry, but I don=B4t know the right word for that. It=B4s a very high p= art of the building, on top covered with a glass-metal construction. A very nice place for giving concerts though also still under construction. Anyway - - I am quite shure, that it will turn out to be a great location for a kw concert. ( Just imagine the scenery of KW - live under a visible firmament ...... We went back and I noticed, that I lost my keys for the car. We headed all the way back and found that we ...ahm... found nothing. Harald told me that I maybe had forgotten them in the office of Ms. Staff and I agreed.=20 As the part where the offices are located is only accessable via elecrronic code cards we got back to the recording room and the technician again. He smiled and helped us to find to office of Ms. Staff again. My keys were still there and I felt=20 very lightened again. He was still thinking that we are part o their sound crew, so I needed to get out as fast as possible again. I didn=B4t want him to know, that I=B4ve told him ... well ... not exactly the truth. To make it short - I wanted to express my thanks for helping us to get inside the building again and I told him that I will visit hinm next week together with a bottle of wine and in order to talk a bit about the recording techniques he=B4s using . Certainly I do not want to talk about the recording stuff but KW ! Anyway - we=B4ll meet next week and I hopefully will get some more informations on th= e concert. CU ! Sorry for the long textfile - I just wanted to be accurate ! :-) Dirk Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Traeger von Ideen ! KRAFTWERK - MUSIC NON STOP name dirk fellhauer =20 mail d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de =20 page under construction age 28 =20 starsign pisces =20 alias Voice, Adorion =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) DADC Date: 17 Jul 1997 14:28:48 -0400 >>> I tried many and the only better are SONY DADC from Austria. <<< I happen to agree with youy: DADC, anywhere, makes the best CDs. The quality is always consistent. Look for an extra number on your discs that starts with "DIDX" or "DIDC," and you're holding DADC-made CDs. Also, for you USAers, if you have discs made by Discmakers, bsed in New Jersey, you're getting DADC-made discs, too (both are Sony companies, in case you care). Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Of Cleopatra & other things.. Date: 17 Jul 1997 20:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Hey there fellow Werkers. My regular email account (@easyway.net) has been down since Sunday, so I've been catching up to date with everyone by reading the archived KW posts. I've re-subscribed on this alternate account of mine, so if anyone has tried to reach me anytime since Sunday, please re-direct your mail to me at MBARNHIL@email.gc.cuny.edu That's where I can be reached for now until I get a permanent account up and working again, which should be rather soon. Now on to KW: About a week or so ago, I posted to the list regarding the 1992 Cleopatra re-issue of 'Radio-Activity' with the green-tinted cover. Then I mentioned Cleopatra's newer re-issue which features the previously green parts in a glittery silverish tint. As it turns out, I've now seen yet another Cleopatra re-issue of this CD, this time with the original white coloring against the black radio, true to the original cover artwork. I wonder why Cleopatra would go to such lengths to keep altering the cover artwork of one CD so slightly? Does anyone know if the other Cleopatra re-issues ('Trans-Europe Express', 'The Man-Machine') were also done over again? 'Radio-Activity' is the only one I've seen so far. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill MBARNHIL@email.gc.cuny.edu --- "Natural ran my home computer, in myself and to the future" - translation of the lyrics to "Home Computer" as they appear in the Japanese CD re-issue of 'Computer World'. Who could resist the charm of that one? =) --- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frederic Kerbrat Subject: (kw) Nefkom Date: 17 Jul 1997 22:26:11 +0100 Hi, speaking of Kraftwerk soundalike, how about Nefkom's 'Transit' mCd? Could a kind german speaking person translate lyrics and sheet information?... Nefkom 'Transit', Dark Star Records - Spark 19 The vocals are too loud and dark, and the beat is fast, but it reminds me of kraftwerk. _ _ o' \,=./ `o (o o) -----------------------------------ooO--(_)--Ooo- | kerbratf@cancom.net | ------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco DuBose Subject: (kw) Re:Radiation Symbols Date: 18 Jul 1997 23:15:53 -0600 >Another "waste of bandwidth" point to ponder: Which is the "correct" >international RADIOACTIVE symbol? Is it the same way as on the KW stickers >with the small circle in the center, or is it with three triangles coming >to a center-point? I lean toward the KW version, ofcourse, but, I've seen >it both ways on various signs. I'm thinking the triangle-point version >applies to fall-out shelters rather than the presence of contaminated >materials. whatever. That's exactly it. I recently had to track down some clip art of the symbols for a training video and found both versions. The triangle-point version was labeled "Fallout Shelter" Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glen Subject: (kw) Autobahn Date: 18 Jul 1997 11:30:00 +0100 Autobahn features at position 83 in this month's MOJO magazine's 100 Greatest Singles Of All Time. Strange choice, but fun exercise. It's easy to damn something like this as a pointless exercise but it's not to be taken seriously. No-one would compile a list like that, claiming it to be gospel. Perhaps we should follow suit and attempt the Top 10 greatest electronic singles/records of all time. -- Glen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam (L) Read" Subject: (kw) Interseting Kraftwerk Item Date: 18 Jul 1997 20:33:50 +1000 All, I found an interesting item in the local record shop here is Sydney. It is called 'Kraftwerk - Werke' - Westwood One Rarities on CD Vol 55. It has almost the same cover as Kraftwerk 2, execept for the 'Werke' part. The track list is as follows: Tour De France - 1983 German 12" Dentaku - 1981 12" Autobahn - 1975 US chart single ver. Kouhoutek - 1974 single Showroom Dummies - 1977 single edit Der Telefon Anruf - 1987 German 12" Musique Non Stop - 1986 12" Sex Object - 1986 Spanish ver. Radioactivity -1991 William Orbit Hardcore Mix Tour De France - 1983 Remix Mini Calculateur - 1981 French 12" Housephone - 1987 12" Autobahn - 1981 Reissue All excellent sound quality. Anyone have any other info on this one? Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) KW-Theme Date: 18 Jul 1997 13:23:24 +0200 Please help me! I'm looking for KW-Related Windows Themes to light up my computer at work a bit =) If anyone got anything related I'd apprechate if it was passed my way through E-Mail! Thanks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kaoru CHIDA Subject: (kw) Re:Interseting Kraftwerk Item Date: 19 Jul 1997 00:19:00 +0900 Hi! Werkers, On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 Adam (L) Read wrote: >I found an interesting item in the local record shop here is Sydney. It >is called 'Kraftwerk - Werke' - Westwood One Rarities on CD Vol 55. It >has almost the same cover as Kraftwerk 2, execept for the 'Werke' part. >The track list is as follows: > >Tour De France - 1983 German 12" >Dentaku - 1981 12" >Autobahn - 1975 US chart single ver. >Kouhoutek - 1974 single >Showroom Dummies - 1977 single edit >Der Telefon Anruf - 1987 German 12" >Musique Non Stop - 1986 12" >Sex Object - 1986 Spanish ver. >Radioactivity -1991 William Orbit Hardcore Mix >Tour De France - 1983 Remix >Mini Calculateur - 1981 French 12" >Housephone - 1987 12" >Autobahn - 1981 Reissue I have a CD which is called "DIE KLASSIK WERKS Vol.1". (I bought it at a *nice* CD shop "Strangelove Records" in Shibuya,Tokyo.) It has the same tracks as yours!! :D BTW, "DIE KLASSIK WERKS Vol.2" The track list is.... 1.ROBOTONIK / 1991 12INCH VER.$B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(B7:41 2.RADIO ACTIVITY / 1991 UK 12INCH FRNCOIS KEVORKIAN MIX $B!!(B7:26 3.TOUR DE FRANCE / 1983 NEW YORK CLUB MIX $B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(B6:44 4.THE TELEPHONE CALL / 1987 UK 7INCH VER. $B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(B3:09 5.COMPUTER WELT / 1981 MAXI SINGLE SPECIAL MIX$B!!!!!!!!!!!!(B5:06 6.MUSIQUE NON STOP / 1986 7INCH VER.$B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(B4:08 7.LES MANNEQUINS / 1977 FRENCH 7INCH EDIT $B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(B2:30 8.KOMETENMELODIE 2 / 1975 7INCH EDIT$B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(B2:50 9.TOUR DE FRANCE / 1983 2E ETAPE$B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(B2:40 10.RADIOACTIVITY / 1991 UK 12INCH WILLIAM ORBIT MIX 7:23 11.ROBOTONIK / 1991 12INCH VER. 4:51 12.TV 2 / ELEKTRIC MUSIC 1993 12INCH VER. 5:45 13.BABY COME BACK / 1992 ELEKTRIC MUSIC 4:14 Bye! KaoRu #---Sorry,I don't write English well. I hope you can read it... *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Madame Curie / Frau Kaoru BARTOS *** *** from Tokio with love xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicholas D. Kent" Subject: Re: (kw) La Duesseldorf/VIVA Date: 17 Jul 1997 20:46:40 +0000 > > At the same time, a postcard from Captain Trip says it's 2500 yen > per a copy. It's equlvalent to $22, withOUT s/h. > > Can such a thing happen? Or is it just a misprinting or a > misinformation? I just don't understand. > > Can anybody have an idea or a hint? > > TIA, > > Hiroshi. Hi, I notice many independent Japanese labels sell CDs in NYC for less than the price in Japan. Mostly Osaka noise bands. CDs sell for $20 to $23 each compared to $34 to $40 which is the price of regular Japanese imports when they are sold in NYC. This upsets me since none of the bands I like are sold at low prices. I think many small labels intentionally lowered their international prices to be about the same price as other imports. nick kent http://idfx.com/artskool/jem synth music from Japan site # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Subject: (kw) Volleyball and stuff ..... Date: 18 Jul 1997 11:10:51 -0400 Hello all, Was watching Channel 4 here in the UK a few days ago, and remebered that Kraftwerk composed the theme music for the womens' volleyball that they used to show (we're talking 10+ years ago here!). My god! Kraftwerk actually did something for someone when they were asked= to to! Does anyone know if this music is still around! By the way, someone mentioned that there were plans to re-issue some of t= he albums. Autobhan costs in the UK about $20 .... should I wait? Oh, and one more thing ...... during the Radio One special on Kraftwerk, Wolfgang or Karl talk about Florian creating a drum kit by ripping apart = an organ .... what is the piece of music plying in the background? Thanks!!! Paul. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leon Mols Subject: Re: (kw) Yeah, got my tickets! Date: 19 Jul 1997 16:34:55 +0200 DepecheCBI@aol.com wrote: > Today my tickets for Karlsruhe arrived. Too sad, they're just bloody > computer-tickets (1991 I had one with a barcode and a robot on it). > > Maybe we could make a list of all who've got tickets for Karlsruhe and > meet > there! Count me in ! Actually, I can't wait until October 18th.....I've been a fan since Autobahn but have never seen them live. It's about time ! Leon http://home.pi.net/~lmols # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kaoru CHIDA Subject: Re:(kw) Volleyball and stuff ..... Date: 20 Jul 1997 00:01:00 +0900 On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 Paul-san wrote: >Oh, and one more thing ...... during the Radio One special on Kraftwerk, >Wolfgang or Karl talk about Florian creating a drum kit by ripping apart = >an >organ .... what is the piece of music plying in the background? That music is "Aetherwellen" in the album "RADIO-AKTIVITAET". # Personally, I love it. :) Well, I also have a question about the BBC Radio One special on Kraftwerk... Wolfgang says like this; "I was in a very big crisis of my life. I didn't want to make music any longer. I didn't want to be robots. I didn't want to make concerts. EVEN I didn't want to be with the boys after all those years. On the other hand, I had fellen in love so big as never before. This was my new great thing...." What is the song after he talks??? Bye! KaoRu #---Sorry,I don't write English well. I hope you can read it... *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Madame Curie / Frau Kaoru BARTOS *** *** from Tokio with love xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: (kw) one more TG97 review from Japan Date: 19 Jul 1997 00:46:44 +0900 Hi 'Werkers, Japanese "Keyboard Magazine" (August issue) has a review article for Tribal Gathering 1997. Some colour photos, and very detailed & impressive writing (in Japanese again). ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Regor@webtv.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roger_D=E9ziel?=) Subject: Re: (kw) 343 572 110 526 Date: 19 Jul 1997 12:54:45 -0400 The present message is referring to the number they say at the end of "Computerworld/Computerwelt 2". I just received a message from my e-mail provider regarding an e-mail that could not be delivered. It says: from mailsorter-1.isp.alma.webtv.net [205 180 153 85]. This number seems to be the identification # for my e-mailsorter. So... [343 572 110 526] could be the identification # for the e-mailsorter of one of the KW members. Kraftwerk members MUST use e-mail and e-mailsorters are COMPUTERS. It makes sense to me. Could it be where the mysterious number comes from? -- Roger Regor@webtv.net Using WebTV since 01/09/97. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LM Subject: Re: (kw) 343 572 110 526 Date: 19 Jul 1997 10:40:10 -0700 Roger D=E9ziel wrote: > I just received a message from my e-mail provider regarding an e-mail > that could not be delivered. It says: > from mailsorter-1.isp.alma.webtv.net [205 180 153 85]. > This number seems to be the identification # for my e-mailsorter. It's actually what's called the IP address. It's a decimal representation for a 32-bit hex number ("CD B4 99 55" in your case). Every time you type an url like "www.webtv.com" in your browser it gets translated by the DNS into a number like that. > So... [343 572 110 526] could be the identification # for the > e-mailsorter of one of the KW members. > Kraftwerk members MUST use e-mail and e-mailsorters are COMPUTERS. > It makes sense to me. It might, but... > Could it be where the mysterious number comes from? Not really: IP numbers cannot be higher than 255 (FFh), so that would discard the numbers 343, 572 and 526. ;-) |_ |\/| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) 343 572 110 526 Date: 19 Jul 1997 11:36:08 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 19 Jul 1997, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roger_D=E9ziel?= wrote: > So... [343 572 110 526] could be the identification # for the > e-mailsorter of one of the KW members. Kraftwerk members > MUST use e-mail and e-mailsorters are > COMPUTERS. > It makes sense to me. > Could it be where the mysterious number comes from? :) Neat idea, but unfortunately the components of an IPv4 address (the current standard) are limited to the range of 0 to 255. I suppose it could be showhorned into being an IPv6 address by rearranging bits, but it doesn't matter since IPv6 hadn't been invented at the time of the song anyway. :) --> /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-kraftwerk@xmission.com Date: 19 Jul 1997 11:54:24 -0600 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) "Oh, Synthesizer" Date: 19 Jul 1997 10:19:33 -0700 >ROBOT was talking about a song made by Komputer called "Oh, >Synthesizer." >from their E.P. (circa 1996). >I have a copy of this and it sounds dangerously close to "Neaon >Lights" by KW. >I'd like to know, for those of you who have listened to this song, >what >your opinion is on this? Do you think it's a copyright violation? I have the 'Komputer' e.p. and the 'Looking Down On London' single. Yes, I agree with you the the e.p. sounds an aweful lot like a rip-off (poorly done to boot) - but the single is fantastic. This group apparently toured with Erasure during their 'Tiny Tour', and have a small fellowship. This is the only work that I've seen by them yet, and if anyone has a full-length out there, what is it like? I'm interested mainly because of the rather blatent Kraftwerk theft. I totally endorse sampling, Kraftwerk are VERY useful for that purpose - just check out any 80's west-coast rap. Komputer, however stole the melodies, not the sounds. This makes it a totally pale shadow of KW who steal the songs! Damned right, Kraftwerk deserves something for this. L8r... Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) one more TG97 review from Japan Date: 19 Jul 1997 22:23:55 +0100 Hiroshi MURATA wrote: > > Hi 'Werkers, > > Japanese "Keyboard Magazine" (August issue) has a review article > for Tribal Gathering 1997. > Some colour photos, and very detailed & impressive writing > (in Japanese again). > So why don't you guys post a good english translation of this kind of review (at least the most interesting parts) ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) NIN Date: 19 Jul 1997 22:31:28 +0100 Does anyone know if there's a mailing list dedicated to Nine Inch Nails somewhere in ze cyberspace ? jbv please email privately for not spoiling this list with off topic topics... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 10:21:21 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) radioactivity signal >>Another "waste of bandwidth" point to ponder: Which is the "correct" >>international RADIOACTIVE symbol? Is it the same way as on the KW > >for what I remember from studies, the only symbol of danger from >radioactivity is the one with the circle in the middle where the >triangles >have their inner points cut to a curve to face the inner circle. > >but what I don't really remeber is if it comes with one triangle on >the top >and two in the base or viceversa. personally I like more the one with >two >triangles on the top... As I recall, the international symbol for radioactivitiy has the two yellow triangles on top... But to be sure, check out the Simpsons. ; ) L8r... Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) German-language CDs resurfacing. Date: 19 Jul 1997 20:28:36 -0400 (EDT) I just thought it interesting to mention that I've been noticing that the German-language versions of Krafterk's albums on CD have been popping up somewhat more frequently in various locations in recent times. For instance, the chain stores of HMV Records have been stocking 'Die Mensch-Machine', 'Computerwelt', and 'Radio-Aktivit=E4t' at assorted locations, and these discs can also be found at several of the on-line CD shops including CDnow, CDeurope, Hotstuff, and so forth. It would figure that these things start sprouting up in multiple locations after I finally collected them all from overseas. =3D) -- Scott MBARNHIL@email.gc.cuny.edu "Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re:(kw) Volleyball and stuff ..... Date: 19 Jul 1997 20:26:56 +0500 >Well, I also have a question about the BBC Radio One special on Kraftwerk... The Radio One special? Is it available on the Net? I'd like to find out more about Wolfgang, since he seems to have been the most reclusive member of a very reclusive (or at least soft-spoken) band. As far as I know, he only started doing interviews after he left KW (though I'm open to correction on that! :-))... Anyway, to repeat an old piece of news, TIME PIE is supposed to be released in the States in September-- which will tie in nicely (I hope) with the new KW and Elektric Music releases. Oboy oboy... Un jeu de bezique, Fromage synthetique, Folie phonetique, a l'age atomique... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) 100% on-topic and interesting Date: 20 Jul 1997 12:10:06 +0300 jbv wrote: > I like the idea of Ralf stopping his car somewhere and recording > those sounds on a portable DAT... Or his bicycle... > But what about the sounds of cars in the original version of > Autobahn ???????????? I'm pretty sure most or all of them were synthetic. > P.S. for geeks : > obviously, some of the synthetic voices heard > on KW songs use formant synthesis. The same technique can be used > to synthesize the sound of other instruments (drums, woodwinds...). > But could it be used for other kind of sounds like cars or trains ? > Or perhaps did they use an analyze / re-synthesis technique... > But Autobahn was recorded in 1974... A couple of detuned oscillators (maybe with a noise generator) with pitch-bend is enough to make those car noises. Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Individuellos Date: 20 Jul 1997 16:48:29 +0000 Taken from the Klaus Dinger homepage (http://www.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/people/gawlista/mucke/dinger.html): > La D=FCsseldorf "Individuellos" will be reissued (on CD for the first ti= me) on > Captain Trip Records (Japan) on 15th July 1997! It will contain the two > tracks "Ich liebe dich", "Kokskn=F6del" (originally published in 1984 on= ly as a > 12inch-("maxi-")single) as bonus tracks. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Individuellos Date: 21 Jul 1997 01:42:12 +0900 Hi 'Werkers, Am 20 Jul 1997 16:48:29 +0000, schreibt Klaus Zaepke: >Taken from the Klaus Dinger homepage >(http://www.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/people/gawlista/mucke/dinger.html): > >> La Duesseldorf "Individuellos" will be reissued (on CD for the first time) >>on >> Captain Trip Records (Japan) on 15th July 1997! Catalog Nr. = CTCD-066 Price for Japan = 2500 yen. (same as that of VIVA) No announcement for international price is provided yet. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) one more TG97 review from Japan Date: 21 Jul 1997 01:42:19 +0900 Hi 'Werkers, Am 19 Jul 1997 22:23:55 +0100, schribt jbv: >> Hi 'Werkers, >> >> Japanese "Keyboard Magazine" (August issue) has a review article >> for Tribal Gathering 1997. >> Some colour photos, and very detailed & impressive writing >> (in Japanese again). > >So why don't you guys post a good english translation of this kind >of review (at least the most interesting parts) ? Don't worry, it's basically a detailed description for their stage and musical tracks, not so much different from other reviews. Some extra writing from the reporter: Audience is as crowded as rush hour trains at Shinjuku Radioaktivitaet is one of the most improving track. Every play is newer than before. AKAI sampler & DD1000 behind the four robots. Ralf sung japanese lyrics of "Dentaku" perfectly... almost. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) 100% on-topic and interesting Date: 20 Jul 1997 20:34:48 +0100 Otso Pakarinen wrote: > > jbv wrote: > > > I like the idea of Ralf stopping his car somewhere and recording > > those sounds on a portable DAT... > > Or his bicycle... > No, bicycles are not allowed on highways... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) 100% on-topic and interesting Date: 20 Jul 1997 20:37:23 +0100 Otso Pakarinen wrote: > > jbv wrote: > > > I like the idea of Ralf stopping his car somewhere and recording > > those sounds on a portable DAT... > > Or his bicycle... > No, bicycles are not allowed on highways... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Remake Date: 20 Jul 1997 21:41:09 +-200 Liebe "Werkers" ;-) Browsing though a mailorder list I found 2 Kraftwerk 12" called Remake Red and Remake Blue. Does anyone have any information about these? The mailorder company calls them "semi-official" (havnt we heard that one before?). Its supposed to be Acid and Trance versions of T.E.E. and Radioactivity. (it probably is though) Oh yes, send your adds for the Marktplatz NOW!!! :-) Uffe _________________________________________________________________________ Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ # Peektime viewing blown in a flash, as I burn into your memory cells# ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Great Videos Date: 21 Jul 1997 10:46:27 +0000 Hi All, Here in the UK, one of the cable channels (Sky 1) runs a show each morning called 'Morning Glory'. It is a series of videos from a certain year in music history. Well to my delight this morning when I started to watch, they played 'She's Got Claws' by Gary Numan and 'The Model' by, well I don't need to tell you that do I.........?! It was great for me because I had never seen the GN video, and it was good to see that tacky dancing by Ralph and friends as well as their marching up and down in the red shirts......great 'Eighties' pop stuff. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?What=B4s_all_this_then=3F?= Date: 21 Jul 1997 13:04:13 +0100 I tried to go in on kraftwerk=2Ecom today (I=B4ve got it as my home) and go= t this message "Page Unavailable=20 The page your are trying to access is unavailable, because it has been accessed too many times today, or the account serving the page has expired=2E You might want to try again tomorrow=2E " I=B4m really worried! Help! /johan ooo ooo =20= =20 =20 oooooo oooooo =20= =20 =20 oooooooo ooooooooo =20 ooooooooooo oooooooooooo =20 oooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooo =20 oooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo=20 oooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo=20 oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo ooo ooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooo ooooo oooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo oooooooo oooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo oooooooo ooooooooooooooooo ooooo ooo =20= =20 =20 ooooooooo oooooooooooo =20= =20 =20 ooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: (kw) An article on latest KW work Date: 21 Jul 1997 22:58:58 +0900 Taken from a Japanese magazine "Keyboard Special" August/1997 issue, page 117 (a news page). Kraftwerk seems to be producing tracks for their brand-new album at their Klingklang studio. The album will hopefully be out in Europe in September, from EMI. It's also decided Kraftwerk will provide a track for Wim Wenders' new film "The End of Violence." The editorial staff can be reached at: Publisher: Mitsuhiro Hieda Monthly Magazine "Keyboard Special" Rittor-Sha Co., Ltd. Shio-Seven Bldg., 7-4 Honshio-cho, Shinjuku-ku Tokyo Japan ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: resin@tuna.net Subject: (kw) robots on amp Date: 22 Jul 1997 03:59:30 +0600 i caught the last few seconds of the robots video on amp(mtv) last sat. night. i think they will repeat the show again on friday. respect d. all terrain sound nyc. http://www.tuna.net/resin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe Soccer Info & Gig on TV? Date: 21 Jul 1997 18:08:46 -0400 Hi werkers 1. While I was discussing with friends of mine the possibility of going to t= he Karlsruhe gig, one = friend mentioned that it would be nice if we could go to watch a "Bundesliga" soccer game on = the same occasion (we would come from abroad...). = So I checked out http//home.t-online.de/guenterjoachim.koch/dksc.htm and found out that on the same day the local team Karlsruher Sportclub wi= ll try to tear off the "Lederhosen" of their opponents Bayern Muenchen! = Thought I let all the sports fans on this list know about this opportunity.....( sorry for little Kraftwerk content... )= ! I guess on the 18th of October Karlsruhe will be quiet a sight....a city= overflowing with fans from Bayern, KSC and last but not least hordes of Kraftwerk aficionados. Help Us!!! PS: Presales start on August 11... 2. The www.zkm.de page lists major TV exposure on german TV stations 3Sat (= or was it ARTE?) on the evening of the opening of the ZKM....can we hope for a live TV broadcast??? That would be tooooo gooood to be true....but who knows (someone please e-mail the TV station, please!) Cheers = Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) 'capitol years' box set. Date: 21 Jul 1997 21:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Hiya folks. I've recently been discussing the varying cover artwork (different color tints) of Cleopatra's re-issues for 'Radio-Activity' since 1992. You'll all recall the 'Capitol Years' box set that Cleopatra put out several years ago, which contained their re-issues of 'Radio-Activity', 'Trans-Europe Express', and 'The Man-Machine' all together in one box with a fair sized booklet. I myself bought these three Cleopatra discs separately at the time, so I was wondering if anyone who bought the actual box set could tell me if the 'Radio-Activity' CD included in the box contained the green-tinted cover artwork or something else? Thanks- -- Scott MBARNHIL@email.gc.cuny.edu "Wir laden unsere Batterie..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Technopop Date: 22 Jul 1997 9:57:31 +0100 I' ve got a KW-remix album called - THE REMIX - from a label called "SMURF" (smurfcd92-05) and on this CD there=B4s one track called "SEX OBJECT-techno= pop version" and one called "TECHNOPOP-demo version" !!!!!!! I just wonder if anyone on the list have heard of the CD and if the two tracks by any chance really could be from the original TECHNOPOP-album they sound very "demo-ish= " not at all the good sound quality of the other "raizormaid" remixes of the album=2E /johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) 'capitol years' box set. Date: 22 Jul 1997 00:30:10 -0700 >at the time, so I was wondering if anyone who bought the actual box >set >could tell me if the 'Radio-Activity' CD included in the box contained >the >green-tinted cover artwork or something else? Thanks- The box set from Capitol is a big-assed, bulky four-disc capable case, not three individual ones. Oh, and don't expect a "bonus" or anything "rare" because it's all the vanilla style recordings that you would normally find in the states. The cover art is the same as the cover of the box and the back art is (big surprise) the same as what is printed on the back of the box. Capitol might take some suggestions next time they decide to destroy three perfectly fabulous recordings and not try the "box" attempt. It does come with a nifty 'Radioactivity' sticker, a poster (of the damned cover) and a very simple "biography" of sorts. I paid $59.99 thinking that I was getting something truely cool, but soon discovered that the recordings are all in english and are the from the SAME, if not a generation down from, those infamous Capitol tapes that sound sooooooooo bad. Capitol should be punished!! Kill!!! KILL!!!! But seriously, the versions are not at all any different from the current Capitol releases here in the states (ie: suck sh*t). From what Hiroshi has written, we should expect more of the German recorded ones being available in select stores. Those are what I am really interested in, not these money-pit Capitol recordings. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Technopop Date: 22 Jul 1997 01:55:04 -0700 >I' ve got a KW-remix album called - THE REMIX - from a label called >"SMURF" >(smurfcd92-05) and on this CD there=B4s one track called "SEX >OBJECT-techno= >pop >version" and one called "TECHNOPOP-demo version" !!!!!!! I just wonder >if >anyone on the list have heard of the CD and if the two tracks by any >chance >really could be from the original TECHNOPOP-album they sound very >"demo-ish= >" >not at all the good sound quality of the other "raizormaid" remixes of >the >album=2E Yup, they are authentic. I've got it too and am very impressed with it. Beware of the 'Ultra Rare Trax' - it sucks. 'The Elite Recordings' is alright - it has a rap version of 'The Robots' by D.J.Pierre that might hurt a little. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Feldges Subject: RE: (kw) 'capitol years' box set. Date: 22 Jul 1997 08:57:33 -0500 I have that Cleopatra box set you're talking about. If it's the print on the actual CD you're taking about, all 3 disks have no artwork at all, just black print on the 'clear' CD surface. The CD case artwork has 4 photos of the respective band members playing live with a red yellow green blue blurry pattern behind them. Cheers, Brian Feldges bfeldges@trendmasters.com > ---------- > From: Scott M. Barnhill[SMTP:mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 2:15 AM > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) 'capitol years' box set. > > > Hiya folks. I've recently been discussing the varying cover > artwork > (different color tints) of Cleopatra's re-issues for 'Radio-Activity' > since > 1992. You'll all recall the 'Capitol Years' box set that Cleopatra > put out > several years ago, which contained their re-issues of > 'Radio-Activity', > 'Trans-Europe Express', and 'The Man-Machine' all together in one box > with a > fair sized booklet. I myself bought these three Cleopatra discs > separately > at the time, so I was wondering if anyone who bought the actual box > set > could tell me if the 'Radio-Activity' CD included in the box contained > the > green-tinted cover artwork or something else? Thanks- > > -- > Scott > MBARNHIL@email.gc.cuny.edu > "Wir laden unsere Batterie..." > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: (kw) I'm back Date: 22 Jul 1997 00:44:40 +0000 I've been offline for the past 3 weeks or so - my hard disk decided to bite the big one. Today I got a new one (yippee!) and, of course, I'm back, large as life etc. If anyone has sent me any private mails within the past month - six weeks, then please mail me to confirm I've received it. There are about 2000 mails currently on my server, but some earlier ones were chewed by the hard disk before I got a chance to back everything up. Apols. for off-topic...... -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ "Musak is the shit you hear in elevators and supermarkets". -- Jean Michel Jarre # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) 'capitol years' box set. Date: 22 Jul 1997 11:39:07 -0600 (MDT) > The box set from Capitol is a big-assed, bulky four-disc capable case, > not three individual ones. Urr, since when have Capitol done a KW box set? Are you maybe thinking of the "Capitol Years" box set that Cleopatra threw together when they realized they had tons of unsold copies of those albums cluttering up their warehouse that they had absolutely no hope of selling as individual discs? -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) An article on latest KW work Date: 23 Jul 1997 05:10:04 +0200 On 21.07.97 at 15:58, hiroshi@pobox.com wrote:=20 =20 >Taken from a Japanese magazine "Keyboard Special" =20 =20 >Kraftwerk seems to be producing tracks for their brand-new album=20 >at their Klingklang studio. The album will hopefully be out in=20 >Europe in September, from EMI. =20 =B0=B0=B0 Hopefully me too!=20 =20 >It's also decided Kraftwerk will provide a track for Wim Wenders' =20 >new film "The End of Violence."=20 =B0=B0=B0 This is a fact. The new "song" we`ve heard at their=20 TG-Concert I S this track.=20 =B0=B0 But it=B4s not sure yet, if there will be released a s=20 oundtrack-Cd of this film.=20 =20 See you in Karlsruh=20 =20 Josef=20 =20 I=B4m the antenna catching vibration you=B4re the transmitter give=20 information =B0 =B0=B0 =B0=B0=B0 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list. Date: 23 Jul 1997 06:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Hi! here the first part of the list (as I suppose) : Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com Leon Mols Imols@pi.net Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net everybody who will be in Karlsruhe and wants a meeting: please put your name in ! Carsten Bolte. Kiel. it's more fun to compute # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ferm=EDn_Goiriz?=" Subject: (kw) Completely off-topic, sorry Date: 23 Jul 1997 15:08:30 +0200 Hi all. Maybe some of you tried to contact me on the last weeks. Well, my server is having problems and I cannot receive messages by now, but you may reach me at goiriz@hotmail.com PS: Jules, I need your new address! Fermin np: My bloody Valentine: "Soon" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Let's Get Some Reaction... Date: 23 Jul 1997 14:37:11 +0000 Hi there Werkaholics, Glad to see that Rich is now back on line with his e:mail,...alright there Richie boy?!! Well, there has been various conversations in the past about the numerous tribute bands and artists that only try to achieve copies of KW material. Although this is a great honor to have such respect for a band such as KW, I think that all these aforementioned bands etc. are a complete waste of space. Why should you want to buy a record by someone who is only trying to replicate KW material when you can equally buy the real thing. This sugject reminds me of records that came out in the early Eighties by the 'Stars on 45' people, or worse still 'Jive Bunny' in the early nineties. We can all be influenced by artists when we try to create own own music, but please don't try and copy what they have already done, the music industry is full enough as it is with cover versions and the like, so don't add to the trash. Anyone want a copy of 'All In A Days Werk', tribute to KW 12 inch?!!!! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Let's Get Some Reaction... Date: 23 Jul 1997 08:08:57 -0600 (MDT) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Holmberg" Subject: Re: (kw) Technopop Date: 23 Jul 1997 09:03:46 +0000 I suspect that these are from a demotape of Technopop Kraftwerk gave to some DJ:s (according to Pascal Bussy's book). Just a guess. /Gustav > > I' ve got a KW-remix album called - THE REMIX - from a label called "SMU= RF" > (smurfcd92-05) and on this CD there=B4s one track called "SEX OBJECT-tec= hnopop > version" and one called "TECHNOPOP-demo version" !!!!!!! I just wonder i= f > anyone on the list have heard of the CD and if the two tracks by any cha= nce > really could be from the original TECHNOPOP-album they sound very "demo-= ish" > not at all the good sound quality of the other "raizormaid" remixes of t= he > album. Gustav Holmberg, Graduate student, History of Science and Ideas, Lund University, Sweden Gustav.Holmberg@fil.lu.se http://www.df.lth.se/~wilt/ilh/staff/gustav/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: richard.poolton@dmgexhib.dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) I'm Back Too!!! Date: 23 Jul 1997 12:22:04 God I missed you all! Looks like all our computer probs have been sorted at last. Anyway just a couple of questions: 1, Any new track at tribal gathering? 2, How's Brucie, I haven't heard from him in ages! 3, I'd be interested to hear your views on the merits of CD against vinyl. Did you miss me, YEAH, while I was away, did you hang my picture on the wall. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: richard.poolton@dmgexhib.dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) I'm not rude!! Date: 23 Jul 1997 14:39:12 Just so you know, all messages sent to me over the last 3 weeks or so were lost before they got to me. So, to those of you that haven't had replies from me, sorry but it ain't my fault. regards Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Let's Get Some Reaction... Date: 23 Jul 1997 19:10:26 +0100 Craig Land wrote: > > Why should you want to buy a record by someone who is only trying to > replicate KW material Wrong, wrong, wrong ! 10 times wrong ! Big Black's or Snakefinger's covers of The Model are much more than simple replications of the original song. A song is not only a melody and some lyrics. It's also a matter of time, location and techniques of production. It's also a matter of musical / political / historical context. And that's even more true in the context of show bizness and modern recording techniques. May I tell a personal history ? 3 or 4 years ago I spent a few days in a small vietnamese village (in the mountains, closed to the cambodian border). You know, the kind of remote place with no sealed road, nothing to do in the evening and barely no electricity. One evening, some of the locals took me to a ballroom (the only meeting place for teenagers). In SE Asia, very often live bands of (very good) local musicians play in ballrooms and discos. And Asian people love songs from the west (see karaoke listings). And that night, guess which song the local band played to start the show ? Yes, THE MODEL !!! They made a 20 minutes cover version of the song, with lots of guitar solos, and everybody dancing like only Asian teenagers can do it (like showroom dummies, in fact). And I was on my knees : it's the best cover of that song I've never heard. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Let's Get Some Reaction... Date: 23 Jul 1997 13:36:47 -0400 >>> On this subject everyone, did we ever sort out whether Professor X sampled KW, or if it was actually Techmaster PEB that the person meant? <<< Turns out it was TWO DIFFERENT Professor Xes! The unknown (to me) one sampled KW, and it seems that the only two who bought that were on this ML. The "real" Professor X sold many more copies and is a Brooklyn-based community activist to boot. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Oh boy... Date: 23 Jul 1997 20:58:56 +0100 Sigh... My Mac crashed right after downloading some messages which are forever lost. If anyone posted a reaction to my recent post about KW covers, could you send it again please (at least privately) ? I feel like argueing tonight, and don't want to miss any opportunity ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) one more TG97 review from Japan Date: 22 Jul 1997 23:44:54 +0000 Hiroshi MURATA was saying: >Hi 'Werkers, >Japanese "Keyboard Magazine" (August issue) has a review article >for Tribal Gathering 1997. >Some colour photos, and very detailed & impressive writing >(in Japanese again). The guy who wrote this may be contacted at ummo@bekkoame.aquarius.or.jp . He wrote it in English first and then translated it to Japanese; I think he may have an English textfile. -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Web-ring Date: 24 Jul 1997 02:16:19 +0200 hello, I have visited some pages of the kraftwerk web ring, all really nice, but I would like to say that not all of them have the standard link to the page before and after. also, I have found pages with non-english content, and I'm very glad for this, nothing against english speakers, but I'm italian and if you're not english you really feel the web is "too" english speaking. that said, we must admit that english work well as an inter-lingua and apart than in our nations it's unlikely somebody understand italian or czech or finnish, so some english resume would be ok, in my opinion. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Technopop Date: 24 Jul 1997 02:16:17 +0200 >version" and one called "TECHNOPOP-demo version" !!!!!!! I just wonder if >anyone on the list have heard of the CD and if the two tracks by any chance >really could be from the original TECHNOPOP-album they sound very "demo-ish" mmmh... I've listened those tracks, but imho it's an apocrifal work... even if it's a demo it lack those certain "quid"... and I really don't think that K themselves would have rated it so much to store on tape so that someone would find it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) I'm Back Too!!! Date: 23 Jul 1997 21:10:42 -0600 (MDT) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Let's Get Some Reaction... Date: 23 Jul 1997 21:05:15 -0600 (MDT) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Let's Get Some Reaction... Date: 24 Jul 1997 02:01:51 -0400 >>> Thanks. I spotted a Professor X CD at a local used music store. I'll have to listen to it to find out which it is, I guess. <<< If it's titled "Puss 'n Boots (The Struggle Continues...)" or "Years of the 9, on the Blackhand Side," it's by the "real" one. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Weckert Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Web-ring Date: 24 Jul 1997 10:43:42 +0200 (MST) > > I have visited some pages of the kraftwerk web ring, all really nice, but I > would like to say that not all of them have the standard link to the page > before and after. > What?? Which pages? The webring server has a function to test the sites in the ring on automation whether they contain the correct links to the "next" page etc., and it tells me everything is fine. > > that said, we must admit that english work well as an inter-lingua and apart > than in our nations it's unlikely somebody understand italian or czech or > finnish, so some english resume would be ok, in my opinion. > Ok, but on the other hand I am glad to have the czech Mamedia guys with their nice Kraftwerk page in the ring. And this finnish site, I think it is also ok, if you don't understand finnish, you simply switch to the next site, and that's it. Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: (kw) Robots Video (Where to serve?) Date: 24 Jul 1997 01:52:44 PDT Hello all, Last Saturday, MTV (In the US) played Kraftwerk's Robots video. I was lucky enough to tape all bout the first 30 seconds or so. I have digitized the video into a QuickTime movie and I'm looking for a place to post it. It was captured in 320x240 30fps and last 3 minutes, and sucks down 60 megs of disk space. I'm looking to find a place to post this somewhere on the internet, so all the other 'werkers can download and veiw. I can also decrease the res and quarter the size, but it's still more than I can post on my sight. If anyone out there can offer FTP or HTTP I would be grateful, and so would many others. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) 1997 Edition Date: 24 Jul 1997 14:08:38 +0000 I've spotted the following items on a saleslist: KRAFTWERK: 1997 Edition, 12" (7 tracks), whitelabel, UKDJ5 KRAFTWERK: 1997 Edition II, 12" (6 tracks), whitelabel, UKDJ8 KRAFTWERK: 1997 Edition II, CD, Wax Trax, UKDJ8 Is any more information about these releases known (tracklisting, legitimacy etc.)? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:21:42 +-200 Date: 24 Jul 1997 13:23:52 -0600 Liebe Werkers! After all this talk about Komputer/Kraftwerk, I heard Divine=B4s Love = Reaction today (no, not for the first time). My question now is, did New Order get paid for the obvious rip-off of = Blue Monday? Uffe _________________________________________________________________________= Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_= /\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ # Peektime viewing blown in a flash, as I burn into your memory cells# ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_= /\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) I'm Back Too!!! Date: 24 Jul 1997 18:14:42 Oh dear, obviously English irony just doesn't translate too well!! _______________________________________________________________________________ /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) Technopop Date: 24 Jul 1997 18:11:02 Hmmm Technopop, demo version. I always thought of this as the Holy Grail of Kraftwerk tunes. I love it and I really believe they should have followed that thread rather than the route they went that resulted in Electrc Cafe. It's definatley one of my top 5 KW pieces. _______________________________________________________________________________ >version" and one called "TECHNOPOP-demo version" !!!!!!! I just wonder if >anyone on the list have heard of the CD and if the two tracks by any chance >really could be from the original TECHNOPOP-album they sound very "demo-ish" mmmh... I've listened those tracks, but imho it's an apocrifal work... even if it's a demo it lack those certain "quid"... and I really don't think that K themselves would have rated it so much to store on tape so that someone would find it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Robots Video (Where to serve?) Date: 24 Jul 1997 12:51:21 -0400 On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 01:52:44 PDT "Pete Liethen" writes: > >Hello all, > Last Saturday, MTV (In the US) played Kraftwerk's Robots video. I was > >lucky enough to tape all bout the first 30 seconds or so. I have >digitized the video into a QuickTime movie and I'm looking for a place > >to post it. It was captured in 320x240 30fps and last 3 minutes, and >sucks down 60 megs of disk space. > >I'm looking to find a place to post this somewhere on the internet, so > >all the other 'werkers can download and veiw. > >I can also decrease the res and quarter the size, but it's still more >than I can post on my sight. > >If anyone out there can offer FTP or HTTP I would be grateful, and so >would many others. Ai-yo, check this out: if you missed the first 30 seconds, you should know that MTV airs a re-broadcast of the week's show on Friday at 2am (Saturday morning). Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam (L) Read" Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:21:42 +-200 Date: 25 Jul 1997 08:27:51 +1000 Uffe Silverup wrote: > I heard Divine=B4s Love Reaction today (no, not for the first time). My > question now is, did New Order get paid for the obvious rip-off of > Blue Monday? I doubt it very much. Paradoxically, I have a live tape of New Order playing Love Reaction!. I think they were making some sort of statement there. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Robots Video (Where to serve?) Date: 25 Jul 1997 02:30:47 +0200 >sucks down 60 megs of disk space. >If anyone out there can offer FTP or HTTP I would be grateful, and so >would many others. could a sort of web ring serve even for this thig? I explain my idea: the big file is sliced in volumes with a multivolume compressor (arj or rar), volumes of, say, 500k or 1M. everybody who can/want could host a slice of the file and can link to the n+1 and n-1 slice. of course this could happen even for a limited period of time, until the "kernel-listies" have downloaded it. or we could arrange a "rotation" presence on a site of the file to download. then the newcomers could be served individually on demand by very kind-hearthed people (again, we can share this action: say I send the first 5 M, then listie X send the next 5 and so on...). this method has, in my view, a great advantage: the big file is packetized, so if after an unreliable download you loose only the last packet (is this the way even tcp-ip works?), and will add to our sense of community. the disadvantages are obviuos... it's unlikely that on average an individual can offer more than 1M, and even this only for a short period of time if s/he does not want to quit his own html creations, so we should be sixty generous coordinated people... remember what happened last time... but this time things could be maybe more technically complex but practically with less consequences should things go wrong. for myself, I can offer 1M. a possible arrangement could be this: those who can, offer 1M of space, and take charge of 5 slices of 1M each. then they put each one of those 5 slices to download in their site, in rotation, one every 2 or 3 days. this way with 12 volunteers it will take 10-15 days to do the whole job. say one month to broadcast the packets twice for those who lost something. or we could also use the usenet for this, so nobody's space is wasted... there are ways, just let us coordinate. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) Drecker (?) FM review (not Kraftwerk) Date: 25 Jul 1997 02:30:29 +0200 The current issue of Future Music (the one with an interview with John Foxx, 2 new album after 10 years, wow! - so there may be hope...) has a favourable review of an album of a german synth band whose name should be Drecker or similar. any comment on them? and who are this Olive? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: Re[2]: (kw) I'm Back Too!!! Date: 24 Jul 1997 20:33:29 -0600 (MDT) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * Nothing hurts like pain. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Robots Video (Where to serve?) Date: 24 Jul 1997 20:53:47 -0600 (MDT) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Bull Subject: Re: (kw) Drecker (?) FM review (not Kraftwerk) Date: 25 Jul 1997 10:46:15 +0200 >and who are this Olive? Olive is the band who has a current hit with "You are not alone", sonds like Everything But the Girl meets Robert Miles. Quite good but played to death on radio over here. LB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Drecker (?) FM review (not Kraftwerk) Date: 25 Jul 1997 10:13:01 +0000 It would be alot better without the feamle vocals if you ask me, but as you are not I will shut up! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Harald Westphal) Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list. Date: 25 Jul 1997 11:16:26 +0200 (CES) According to DepecheCBI@aol.com: > here the first part of the list (as I suppose) : > > Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com > Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de > Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com > Leon Mols Imols@pi.net > Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net Addition to the list: Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de I've updated my Karlsruhe info page. There is now a map of the inner city of Karlsruhe and a short description how to get to the ZKM building. URL: http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unhj/kwlive.html -- Harald Westphal *** eMail Harald.Westphal@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de -- "Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, programmier' die Zukunft mir." -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tiger Moses Subject: (kw) robots video Date: 25 Jul 1997 08:22:40 -0500 all the space you want/need ftp it to 206.42.44.213 via anonymous I'm already hosting some ktraftwerk RA files from TG I'd like the 'big momma file', but not sure what "modem" users are going to be able to bring down I'm running 128K ISDN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Date: 25 Jul 1997 17:30:08 +0200 Hi all ! Just in case you=B4ve tried to send an email to me privatelyduring the last two days -=20 my server crashed - so I was=B4t able to receive it. Please post again ! Thanks,=20 Hallo ! Mein Mails sind ausgefallen, falls Ihr mir in den letzten zwei tagen etwas gemailt habt, dann schickt es bitte nochmal. Danke, Dirk Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Traeger von Ideen ! KRAFTWERK - MUSIC NON STOP name dirk fellhauer =20 mail d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de =20 page under construction age 28 =20 starsign pisces =20 alias Voice, Adorion =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Morper Subject: Re: (kw) Drecker (?) FM review (not Kraftwerk) Date: 25 Jul 1997 22:41:20 -0200 At 02:30 25.07.1997 +0200, you wrote: >and who are this Olive? "You're not alone" - it's quite popular at the moment. And the video is rather interesting! Somewhere in the middle of it an "Autobahn"-sign appears on the screen for a very short moment. In my opinion it is just too much "by the way" to be really without any intention. What do you think? Bye, Tomasz (tmorper@karlstadt.netsurf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: POP Thomas Morper Date: 25 Jul 1997 22:53:46 +0200 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Robots Video (Where to serve?) Date: 26 Jul 1997 02:48:37 +0200 At 20:53 24/07/97 -0600, you wrote: >That can be done, but again not for a long term. Just till everyone has >all the pieces. yes, this is exactly what I meant. say for one month or so, then if someone need it it could be resolved "privately". >> or we could also use the usenet for this, so nobody's space is wasted... > >What newsgroup? I don't get any newsgroups here with "kraft" in the name. >Would we make a new one for this purpose? a ng for Kraftwerk would be of course a nice idea, but I think it will replicate this list, and anyway if I am not wrong there should already be a german one, dm.music.electronic.kraftwerk, avaiable through news.dm.net. I don't even know if it work because I had to quit ngs having no time to follow them. anyway there certainly should be an alt.bin.sounds or something somewhere... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew FALTONSON Subject: (kw) Cover, My Ass!! Date: 25 Jul 1997 18:17:45 -0700 I'm planning a 6 hour radio program on KRAFTWERK!! I, in this case, must focus on their music. I must admit that the Vietnamese story is wonderful and speaks for the power of this music. In search of levels of legitimacy, I find that since all music copies something, the closer to the source I much prefer to be!! No intentional obscurifications intended. I merely cheer for the seldom found 'original' art over 'Jive bunny' monstrosities that clog the arteries with Mcdonald's like sound fat. No thanks!! It's hard work to make something personal and unique but it's a necessity for an artist. OK.......I use samplers but I process the Hell out of it!! Moving out of range I remain dedicated to a single divining moment that says....inspiration. Pax...... *************************************************************************** Andrew FALTONSON---------------actor,artist,composer,poet,photographer, c/o "Resonant Dwarf" radio producer,sound designer & writer. PO Box 95902 Seattle, WA 98145 \\Csound, Finale, MAX & StudioVision// dru@oz.net \\Photoshop, Illustrator// http://www.oz.net/~dru CMC #1479 "The unconscious no sooner touches us than we it--we become unconscious of ourselves. That is the age old danger, instinctively known and feared by primative man, who himself stands so very close to this pleroma. His unconscious is still uncertain, wobbling on its feet. It is still childish, having just emerged from the primal waters." -----------Carl Gustav Jung *************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JPM Subject: (kw) NEW ALBUM INFO Date: 26 Jul 1997 01:05:58 +0000 Just got the news today that KRAFTWERK has DEFINITLY got an album in the works. There are no vocals to the album yet but the music is mostly complete. The record company does have a DEMO copy at this moment,but again ,no vocals. No release date given yet either. I will get back to everyone once I find out how it sounds myself, In the mean time I've HEARD it sounds great. -- Jason....... JPM The Pygmy Taxi Corp http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/ Vocod'o'rama (Please update your links to the one below) http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/vocoders.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos e-mail? Date: 26 Jul 1997 16:59:31 +0200 Hello all, Check this e-mail search site and look for Karl Bartos... http://www.four11.com/. Regards. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Robots Video (Where to serve?) Date: 26 Jul 1997 13:33:38 -0500 lbo wrote: > > At 20:53 24/07/97 -0600, you wrote: > > >That can be done, but again not for a long term. Just till everyone > >has all the pieces. > What format is this all in? I mean, it's a five minute video, right? I'm sure it can be downsized and recompressed with quicktime to be a reasonable size for the net (if I can get it all in one place I could try it myself) maybe down to a few meg... Then hosting space wouldn't be as much of a problem. Quality would be a bit lossier, but it's better than nothing! -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= Save the whales! Collect the whole set. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats Kadmark Subject: (kw) tour image Date: 26 Jul 1997 18:07:39 METDST Hello, KW-mailing-list-subscribers!!! Perhaps you have noticed that the "www.kraftwerk.com"-web page now works again, at first sight nothing seems to have changed, however the picture quality of the Tour de France image has improved! Before, they used an image of half the size of the image displayed, and then had it doubled, now the actual size is shown, which means that the picture quality is doubled. Have you also noticed that the three first cyclists all have Huetter's face and the last one Florian's? - Bartos's and Fluer's faces are not shown (T. Weckert wrote me privately about this earlier but now it appears much more clearly than before). What do you think about this - ? I think it is really strange that they have changed the original image. It is like if they have censored the picture because they don't want to be connected with Fluer and Bartos anymore.... CUL8R! Mats P.S. at last an interesting topic to discuss : ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: (kw) Robots Video (Problem Solved) Date: 26 Jul 1997 16:29:17 PDT Well, after cleaning up my web pages so that they take up less space and converting the resoultion to 160x120 and upped the compersion, I was able to fit it on my server. It is 10.8 Mb zip compressed and is playable on all computers. PLEASE, Everyone don't downlad it all at once. I am limited to 100 megs of transfers a day. If this is a problem for me, I will forced to have people send me request to download it. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bjarke Monsted Subject: Re: (kw) Remake Date: 27 Jul 1997 01:30:46 -0700 Uffe Silverup wrote: > Liebe "Werkers" ;-) > > Browsing though a mailorder list I found 2 Kraftwerk 12" called Remake > Red and Remake Blue. > > Does anyone have any information about these? > > The mailorder company calls them "semi-official" (havnt we heard that > one before?). > > Its supposed to be Acid and Trance versions of T.E.E. and > Radioactivity. (it probably is though) > > Oh yes, send your adds for the Marktplatz NOW!!! :-) > > Uffe > > _________________________________________________ Hi Uffe... I have both the 12 inch youre talking about.... The first one / The red.. Is pressed in red vinyl, and there are no labels at all... Its in a white cover with a red sticker saying KOMPUTERKRAFT The blue one, is blue vinyl, and in a thick plastic cover with a black/white copy of a picture of Kraftwerk. I do not remember the Record Company and artist right now, but I have it somewhere. There is no catalogue numbers on them.... They are scratched away so you cant see them. But anyway... I like the albums, especially teh red one, so if you are in to psycedelic trance, and Kraftwerk, I can only tell you to buy these two records. The rumours says that there is a third album coming in the series, and it shoul be yellow or orange.... Thats what I know... Hope it helps you.... Bjarke / Denmark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: Re: (kw) Robots Video (Problem Solved) Date: 26 Jul 1997 17:41:21 PDT >From owner-kraftwerk@xmission.com Sat Jul 26 16:48:54 1997 >Received: from domo by mail.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.62 #4) > id 0wsGI1-0002Ts-00; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:30:21 -0600 >Received: from f51.hotmail.com [207.82.250.62] > by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #4) > id 0wsGHy-0002R2-00; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:30:18 -0600 >Well, after cleaning up my web pages so that they take up less space and >converting the resoultion to 160x120 and upped the compersion, I was >able to fit it on my server. It is 10.8 Mb zip compressed and is >playable on all computers. > >PLEASE, Everyone don't downlad it all at once. I am limited to 100 megs >of transfers a day. If this is a problem for me, I will forced to have >people send me request to download it. Well like a moron, I forgot to include a URL to my pages; http://www.dragonfire.net/~petenet Click on Kraftwerk once you get there. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Remake Date: 27 Jul 1997 03:00:10 +0000 > > Browsing though a mailorder list I found 2 Kraftwerk 12" called Remake > > Red and Remake Blue. > > Its supposed to be Acid and Trance versions of T.E.E. and > > Radioactivity. (it probably is though) Yes, I've seen the red one labelled as "Radioactivity" in some shops, but in fact it contains mixes of "Trans Europe Express" and "Computer Love". > The rumours says that there is a third album coming in the series, and > it shoul be yellow or orange.... I know of the following versions: 1. Red (TEE / Computer Love) 2. Pink (same tracks as on 1.) 3. Green (same tracks as on 1.) 4. Blue (TEE (different to the version on 1.) / Homecomputer) 5. Yellow ( ? / ?) Additions welcome... :-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) Fwd: tour image Date: 25 Jul 1997 19:30:20 +0200 Hello, Craig! Could you forward this to the list if it doesn't get=20 through as this is the fourth time I send it....And if it does get=20 through....why didn't it work before?....and if it doesn't get through,=20 why doesn't it??=20 =20 Hello, KW-mailing-list-subscribers!!!=20 =20 Perhaps you have noticed that the "www.kraftwerk.com"-web page now=20 works again, at first sight nothing seems to have changed, however the=20 picture quality of the Tour de France image has improved!=20 =20 Before, they used an image of half the size of the image displayed, and=20 then had it doubled, now the actual size is shown, which means that the=20 picture quality is doubled.=20 =20 Have you also noticed that the three first cyclists all have Huetter's=20 face and the last one Florian's? - Bartos's and Fluer's faces are not=20 shown (T. Weckert wrote me privately about this earlier but now it=20 appears much more clearly than before).=20 =20 What do you think about this - ? =20 =20 I think it is really strange that they have changed the original image.=20 It is like if they have censored the picture because they don't want to=20 be connected with Fluer and Bartos anymore....=20 =20 CUL8R!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 P.S. at last an interesting topic to discuss : )=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) tour image Date: 24 Jul 1997 19:06:44 +0200 Hello, KW-mailing-list-subscribers!!!=20 =20 Perhaps you have noticed that the "www.kraftwerk.com"-web page now=20 works again, at first sight nothing seems to have changed, however the=20 picture quality of the Tour de France image has improved!=20 =20 Before, they used an image of half the size of the image displayed, and=20 then had it doubled, now the actual size is shown, which means that the=20 picture quality is doubled.=20 =20 Have you also noticed that the three first cyclists all have Huetter's=20 face and the last one Florian's? - Bartos's and Fluer's faces are not=20 shown (T. Weckert wrote me privately about this earlier but now it=20 appears much more clearly than before).=20 =20 What do you think about this - ? =20 =20 I think it is really strange that they have changed the original image.=20 It is like if they have censored the picture because they don't want to=20 be connected with Fluer and Bartos anymore....=20 =20 CUL8R!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 P.S. at last an interesting topic to discuss : )=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) =?iso-8859-1?q?What=B4s?= all this then? Date: 21 Jul 1997 18:24:43 +0200 johan.andersson@allers.aller.se,internet writes:=20 =20 >I tried to go in on kraftwerk.com today (I=B4ve got it as my home) and=20 >got this=20 >message "Page Unavailable =20 ...=20 >I=B4m really worried! Help! /johan=20 =20 Hopefully they are just UPDATING the page ! ! !=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 BTW This has happened before and they started the page again some days=20 later....=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) tour image Date: 24 Jul 1997 19:06:44 +0200 Hello, KW-mailing-list-subscribers!!!=20 =20 Perhaps you have noticed that the "www.kraftwerk.com"-web page now=20 works again, at first sight nothing seems to have changed, however the=20 picture quality of the Tour de France image has improved!=20 =20 Before, they used an image of half the size of the image displayed, and=20 then had it doubled, now the actual size is shown, which means that the=20 picture quality is doubled.=20 =20 Have you also noticed that the three first cyclists all have Huetter's=20 face and the last one Florian's? - Bartos's and Fluer's faces are not=20 shown (T. Weckert wrote me privately about this earlier but now it=20 appears much more clearly than before).=20 =20 What do you think about this - ? =20 =20 I think it is really strange that they have changed the original image.=20 It is like if they have censored the picture because they don't want to=20 be connected with Fluer and Bartos anymore....=20 =20 CUL8R!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 P.S. at last an interesting topic to discuss : )=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) tour image Date: 24 Jul 1997 19:06:44 +0200 Hello, KW-mailing-list-subscribers!!!=20 =20 Perhaps you have noticed that the "www.kraftwerk.com"-web page now=20 works again, at first sight nothing seems to have changed, however the=20 picture quality of the Tour de France image has improved!=20 =20 Before, they used an image of half the size of the image displayed, and=20 then had it doubled, now the actual size is shown, which means that the=20 picture quality is doubled.=20 =20 Have you also noticed that the three first cyclists all have Huetter's=20 face and the last one Florian's? - Bartos's and Fluer's faces are not=20 shown (T. Weckert wrote me privately about this earlier but now it=20 appears much more clearly than before).=20 =20 What do you think about this - ? =20 =20 I think it is really strange that they have changed the original image.=20 It is like if they have censored the picture because they don't want to=20 be connected with Fluer and Bartos anymore....=20 =20 CUL8R!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 P.S. at last an interesting topic to discuss : )=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) tour image Date: 24 Jul 1997 19:06:44 +0200 Hello, KW-mailing-list-subscribers!!!=20 =20 Perhaps you have noticed that the "www.kraftwerk.com"-web page now=20 works again, at first sight nothing seems to have changed, however the=20 picture quality of the Tour de France image has improved!=20 =20 Before, they used an image of half the size of the image displayed, and=20 then had it doubled, now the actual size is shown, which means that the=20 picture quality is doubled.=20 =20 Have you also noticed that the three first cyclists all have Huetter's=20 face and the last one Florian's? - Bartos's and Fluer's faces are not=20 shown (T. Weckert wrote me privately about this earlier but now it=20 appears much more clearly than before).=20 =20 What do you think about this - ? =20 =20 I think it is really strange that they have changed the original image.=20 It is like if they have censored the picture because they don't want to=20 be connected with Fluer and Bartos anymore....=20 =20 CUL8R!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 P.S. at last an interesting topic to discuss : )=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Bull Subject: (kw) New date & I'm out... Date: 27 Jul 1997 15:42:40 +0200 Hi all, You probably have noticed by know; Ticketworld have added Linz to Kraftwerks tour-dates. If anyone lives in or knows anything about the two places, which one should I choose? Unfortunately I can only go once. From previous postings Karlsruhe sounds great. I'm off the list for three weeks now (vacation). Hiroshi and Adam Read; please mail me privately about the record-trades and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Bye for now Lars Bull "No RISC - No Fun" MacForum Foreningsgatan 31 411 27 Goteborg Sweden E-Mail: lars.bull@macforum.se WWW: www.macforum.se Fax: +46 31 721 31 01 Telephone: +46 31 721 31 00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) New date & I'm out... Date: 27 Jul 1997 18:15:23 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Lars Bull wrote: > You probably have noticed by know; Ticketworld have added Linz to > Kraftwerks tour-dates. If anyone lives in or knows anything about the two > places, which one should I choose? Unfortunately I can only go once. From > previous postings Karlsruhe sounds great. I am from Linz (not exactly, i live about 15 km north of Linz, but i was born there an spent my first 25 years there. The Concert will be on 16th of October in Posthof. The Posthof is the main culure centre here in Linz. The Posthof consists of 3 Concert Halls (Rooms). The largest Hall can be filled with approx. 1700 People. There is a area for standing in the front of the stage, in the back of the Hall there are seats located, like in a stadium. In my opinion, Posthof is the best location for a concert in Austria with the Brucknerhaus, where the last kw-gig took place at the Ars Electronica Festival in June 93. The Brucknerhaus has the best accoustic of the whole world, but it is primary a Concert House for classical Music. You are not allowed to smoke in there. Also you are also not allowed to smoke in the Posthof, but everybody does... There is also a restaurant located in the Posthof, which would be nice for a Mailing List Meeting.......... I do not know anything about the Karlsruhe ZMK, but: The accoustic in Posthof is great. You can see a lot, whereever you stand during the Concert. All Concerts in Posthof have the special Club-Athmosphere... Now Linz: If someone hasnt recognized yet: Linz is the third largest Town of Austria with approx. 200.000 Inhabitants. You can reach Linz by Car: Linz is connected to the A1 the main motorway of Austria, if you come from the south of Germany: via Munich, Salzburg, LINZ, Vienna. If you come from more northern Parts of Germany: Nuernberg, Passau, Wels, LINZ, From Italy (Milan): Brennero, Innsbruck, Kufstein, Rosenheim, Salburg, LINZ From Italy (Udine) via the A10 (Tauernautobahn): Tarvisio, Arnoldstein, Spittal, Bischofshofen, Salzburg, LINZ From Hungary: Hegyeshalom, Vienna, LINZ From Praque: Dolni Dvoriste, Linz By train similar as by car. By plane: The Airport of Linz is HOERSCHING. General Linz Information: http://www.linz.at http://info.linz.at If you want more detailed Information on Linz/Kraftwerk or other stuff, please drop me a note: alpezi@zilli.priv.at More Informations will follow....... Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) John Foxx (little Kraftwerk content) Date: 27 Jul 1997 19:17:15 +0200 I come back to the newsstand where I found the july number of Future Music magazine with the John Foxx interview, and try to gave a better look at it. At the moment I cannot buy it because it's relatively expensive, we're talking about money only after 15/08, sigh... also, I gave just a quick look at it, because I'm a good old client of the shop, but I know they don't like too much standing reading. The interview looked very interesting, with John talking about the evolution of electronic and dance music and his tastes for it. The tone looked to be very soft and not in the egocentric way I somewhat always supposed Foxx should have had (I have always liked his music, but he gave me the impression of a primadonna, but in the interview he seemed to be a very nice guy - anyway two friends of mine still remember with anger that they had to run away from bad security men he pointed them to because they were recording his concert with a walkman). He is now collaborating with a guy I don't remember the name and have their own rec studio. Two (!) album of him (them) are out now, I did not find out if they were composed in the same period or if one was just dormient for years. One is called "Shifting cities" or something, and is the "easy" one (you know that Foxx in the last years turned to a sort of neoclassical religious music), described in very good terms by the magazine as the updated version of the milestone "Metamatic", one of the most beautiful albums ever, for me, that was said from the magazine to be "the first completely electronic english pop album" (it come, if I'm not wrong, immediately after his splitting from Ultravox). Through the album, said the magazine, you could hear Kraftwerk-like bleeps and beatlesy (sp?) vocals. I did not catch the title of the other one, but this should be in the neoclassical style of above. This lend me to think that this is the "dormient" album. In cd that come with the magazine there are a song from each one of the albums. now, for the affectionate readers: FM and The Mix come from the same publisher? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) tour image Date: 27 Jul 1997 18:35:31 +0200 oooooops......=20 =20 Sorry that my message turned up so many times...it was because by=20 mailing server broke down and didn't send my e-mails. So I tried and=20 tried...but nothing happened...AND NOW the server sent my last week and=20 a half's messages all at the same time......=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: (kw) The Robots as a political song Date: 27 Jul 1997 20:02:47 +0200 During the weekend I have attended a pop/dance-festival here in Stockholm called "Lollipop". Yesterday I managed to catch a glimpse of the Swedish straight edge/hardcore-band "Teddybears Sthlm" playing their well-known and well-performed cover of "The Robots". It's interesting how they have managed to make a pure angry political song out of "The Robots" without altering the lyrics at all. They announced the song as "beeing about the followers of the Swedish Conservative Party and about countries practising death sentences". Even though Teddybears Sthlm are a bit comical in their blind rage against everything they consider bad, they certainly managed to put a scary meaning into textlines as "we are programmed just to do / everything you want us to". Or am I beeing naîve here, believing that Kraftwerk didn't purposely add a deeper meaning when they wrote the lyrics? Anyhow, 20 minutes before this, I saw David Bowie (or rather his bass player Gail Ann Dorsey) make a stunning drum'n'bass version of Laurie Anderson's "O Superman". But I guess I'm digressing... /Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: SV: (kw) The Robots as a political song Date: 27 Jul 1997 20:47:17 +-200 > Conny Fornb=E4ck Wrote: =20 > Anyhow, 20 minutes before this, I saw David Bowie (or rather his bass > player Gail Ann Dorsey) make a stunning drum'n'bass version of Laurie > Anderson's "O Superman". But I guess I'm digressing... Having seen Bowie on Friday the 25th here in Malmo, I have to agree = completely with Conny. The version of "O Superman" was indeed stunning!! As well as a NIN:esque version of "Look Back In Anger". Well, catch the man if he plays at a theatre near you!;-) Uffe=20 / # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original = sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Date: 27 Jul 1997 23:15:32 +0100 Conny Fornbäck wrote: > > > Or am I beeing naîve here, believing that Kraftwerk didn't purposely add > a deeper meaning when they wrote the lyrics? > All KW songs are highly political. Mostly because of the topics. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Reeuwijk, W.B." Subject: RE:(kw) Karlsruhe gig - list. Date: 28 Jul 1997 09:20:20 +0100 Hi! here the first part of the list (as I suppose) : Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com Leon Mols Imols@pi.net Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com everybody who will be in Karlsruhe and wants a meeting: please put your name in ! Carsten Bolte. Kiel. it's more fun to compute # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Are KW Excited? Date: 28 Jul 1997 08:59:59 +0000 I wonder if KW are now excited that a German has won the Tour De France?! Maybe we could be in for some '97 remixes of Tdf............ Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) I'm Back! - The Sequel to the Sequel!!! Date: 28 Jul 1997 08:50:39 GMT Hi fellow Kraftwerkians!! After a long stint in south-east asia, I'm back!!! I've got a hell of a lot of mail to plough through, so I'll try to answer those who mailed me in the next few days!!=20 Oh, please note, like Scott, I've changed ISP also. My new email address is: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk I won't answer mail coming to compuserve from the end of August. I've only got a couple of question to pose to the list: 1. Did Kraftwerk play any new songs at the Tribal Gathering? 2. Where's Bruce?? :-))) ps. Scott, I've changed ISP!! (you know what that means!!) Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Weckert Subject: Re: (kw) Are KW Excited? Date: 28 Jul 1997 11:24:04 +0200 (MST) On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Craig Land wrote: > > I wonder if KW are now excited that a German has won the Tour De > France?! > > Maybe we could be in for some '97 remixes of Tdf............ > Best Regards, > > Craig. > At least a few TV stations use the Tour de France soundtrack to advertise their reports on the tour. I was this morning in Bonn to see my heroes arrive back from Paris, the local radio station playing Kraftwerk's Tour de France. Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "This is Space" Date: 28 Jul 1997 12:05:21 +0200 (DFT) Found at the Tangerine Dream mailing list (tadream@cs.uwp.edu): > I came across another new 1997 box set released on the US Cleopatra > label [...] > It is titled "This is Space" at a "Killer Price!" and contains 4 CDs. > CD 1 and 2 is a re-package of the Various Artists (VA) compilation "Space > Daze" which features Kraftwerk, Hawkwind, The Orb, Helios Creed, The > Legendary Pink Dots, Gong, Ozric Tentacles, Spiral Realms, Brian Eno, > Pressurehead, Syd Barrett, Amon Duul II, Nik Turner, and Tangerine > Dream (Movements of a Visionary). > CD 3 is the same as the VA compilation "Space Daze 2000" and features FSOL, > Hawkwind, Roxy Music, Anubian Nights, Klaus Schulze (Wahnfried 1883), David > Bowie, Zero Gravity, and Fripp and Eno amongst others. > CD 4 is called a bonus CD and features an ambient CD by "Dead Voices on > Air" - New World Machine. [...] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk - Gig in Linz Date: 28 Jul 1997 14:02:20 +0200 Return of the Mensch - Maschine... Good news for all who live in the eastern part of Europe. On 16.10., Kraftwerk are playing in Linz (Posthof) / Austria! So need not to go to Karlsruhe. Tickets available at http://www.ticketworld.de Georgie Chain reaction and mutation, contaminated population... Stop radioactivity! -------------------------- http://www.kraftwerk.com -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Are KW Excited? Date: 28 Jul 1997 14:33:13 +0100 On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Craig Land wrote: > > I wonder if KW are now excited that a German has won the Tour De > France?! Of course. And Ullrich (sp ?) will be one of the "guests" at the Karlsruhe gig. They're even thinking of hiring him as a future permanent member of the band or as technical consultant. They already have a robot with his face. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re (2): (kw) New date & I'm out... Date: 28 Jul 1997 15:56:34 +0200 alpezi@zilli.priv.at writes: >The Concert will be on 16th of October in Posthof. >The Posthof is the main culure centre here in Linz. The Posthof consists >of 3 Concert Halls (Rooms). >The largest Hall can be filled with approx. 1700 People. >There is a area for standing in the front of the stage, in the back of >the >Hall there are seats located, like in a stadium. In my opinion, Posthof >is >the best location for a concert in Austria with the Brucknerhaus, where >the last kw-gig took place at the Ars Electronica Festival in June 93. Did you join the concert? I heard that they played 'Die Mensch Maschine' there... . There was a report in the ORF (Austrian Broadcasting Company) about the Ars Electronica, but nothing about the Concert. Excpt a litte report in the radio at =D63, which featured a short interview with Raph H=FCtter. I've recorded it, but it is in german. So if anybody is interested, maybe i could make a copy of it sometime... >Also you are also not allowed to smoke in the Posthof, but everybody >does... I just hope it will be allowed to take MiniDisc-Recorders into the hall... ;-) >There is also a restaurant located in the Posthof, which would be nice >for >a Mailing List Meeting.......... Yeah, this would be a nice idea... 'In Linz beginnt's...' Georgie Chain reaction and mutation, contaminated population... Stop radioactivity! -------------------------- http://www.kraftwerk.com --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) KW news service Date: 28 Jul 1997 11:14:48 -0400 In response to some recent postings about a Kraftwerk news list: try out uwp.maillist.kraftwerk if your news server carries it. There seems to be plenty of space on it-- I've only seen two messages on it so far. One was from ROBOT (who says she may be offline for a few more weeks, by the way), and the other was from someone who wanted to know why nobody ever posted anything! It might be a good place to post pix, samples, mods, etc... :-) Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Tolf Subject: (kw) From Postmaster Date: 28 Jul 1997 10:39:29 +0200 essage-Id: <199707211354.WAA28770@mail.ra2.so-net.or.jp> X-Sender: hiro-m@pop.ra2.so-net.or.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp X-Mailer: Eudora-J(1.3.8.7r2-J14) Sender: owner-kraftwerk@xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes Taken from a Japanese magazine "Keyboard Special" August/1997 issue, page 117 (a news page). Kraftwerk seems to be producing tracks for their brand-new album at their Klingklang studio. The album will hopefully be out in Europe in September, from EMI. It's also decided Kraftwerk will provide a track for Wim Wenders' new film "The End of Violence." The editorial staff can be reached at: Publisher: Mitsuhiro Hieda Monthly Magazine "Keyboard Special" Rittor-Sha Co., Ltd. Shio-Seven Bldg., 7-4 Honshio-cho, Shinjuku-ku Tokyo Japan ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) KW news service Date: 28 Jul 1997 09:36:44 -0600 (MDT) > In response to some recent postings about a Kraftwerk news list: try out > uwp.maillist.kraftwerk if your news server carries it. There seems to be > plenty of space on it-- I've only seen two messages on it so far. uwp.maillist.kraftwerk is a local-to-uwp gated version of *this mailing list*, which unfortunately leaked out of UWP at one point. The group should not be present on any machines outside of uwp. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) KW tour 97 Date: 28 Jul 1997 19:05:21 +0100 Anyone interested in following the forthcoming KW tour ? From Linz to Karlsruhe to... Let's hope they'll go as far as New Delhi, Tokyo & Sydney, just like in 81. If you feel so, please post your name here. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Re (2): (kw) New date & I'm out... Date: 28 Jul 1997 20:44:03 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Georg Jajus wrote: > >the best location for a concert in Austria with the Brucknerhaus, where > >the last kw-gig took place at the Ars Electronica Festival in June 93. >=20 > Did you join the concert? Yeah! First Row, I played Ralfs Pocket-Calculator. My wife touched (!!!!) Ralf. Then Ralf said: "Jeder kann Elektronische Musik machen!" > I heard that they played 'Die Mensch > Maschine' there... . Puhh, all I remember is that they played "The Man Machine" in Linz and/or Vienna...... Another funny stuff was: Tour de France in French, not in German..... > There was a report in the ORF (Austrian > Broadcasting Company) about the Ars Electronica, but nothing about the > Concert. Pah! There was a report in Television where you could see the Robots... Also a large Article in the Oberoesterreichische Nachrichten and also in the Krone.......... > Excpt a litte report in the radio at =D63, which featured a > short interview with Raph H=FCtter. I've recorded it, but it is in german= =2E Kein Problem fuer mich! Lass rueber das Zeugs..........! Ahh, yes I remember! It was about 4 PM when they broadcasted it.Ralf said in the Interview: "Kraftwerk ist die Mensch Maschine" and also other wired stuff...... > >Also you are also not allowed to smoke in the Posthof, but everybody > >does... >=20 > I just hope it will be allowed to take MiniDisc-Recorders into the > hall... Hmm, this could be a problem, there were heavy body visitations before the Entrance at Brucknersaal in 93 and also at Oberlaa in 91. > >There is also a restaurant located in the Posthof, which would be nice > >for > >a Mailing List Meeting.......... >=20 > Yeah, this would be a nice idea... Sag ich doch! Sers zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) KW news service Date: 28 Jul 1997 14:25:34 -0600 (MDT) > uwp.maillist.kraftwerk is a local-to-uwp gated version of *this mailing > list*, which unfortunately leaked out of UWP at one point. The group > should not be present on any machines outside of uwp. ...UWP being the University of Wisconsin - Parkside, where Dave Datta used to host this list. Sorry to pound everyone with strange three-letter acronyms. :-) And yes, if your news server is carrying the group, they really shouldn't be. (Unless you're at UWP, of course.) -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Robots Video (Problem Solved) Date: 28 Jul 1997 20:39:25 -0600 (MDT) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe - the story continues Date: 29 Jul 1997 07:42:49 +0200 Hi all ! I was checking last week with some officials if, whether, how and blabla we can set up a sort of meeting point at the ZKM. ( Harald - ich rufe Dich am Mittwoch an, ich denke ich werde gegen Donnerstag wieder nach Karlsruhe fahren ) As for now our chances are quite good. They will hopefully find a little space in the neighbourhood of the kraftwerk stage. I said it could be funny if we were allowed to call this space "MASCHINENRAUM" / "MACHINE-ROOM" and they liked the idea.=20 I=B4ll be visiting them at thursday this week again ( hopefully with HARALD = ) and we=B4ll keep you informed. Dirk Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Traeger von Ideen ! KRAFTWERK - MUSIC NON STOP name dirk fellhauer =20 mail d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de =20 page under construction age 28 =20 starsign pisces =20 alias Voice, Adorion =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: (kw) Robots Video (More problems) Date: 28 Jul 1997 23:22:19 PDT Hello all, Sorry for the wasted bandwidth, and the annoyance to some. First off, I'm sorry to the people that wasted there time downloading the video, just to find that it was corrupt. The file was corrupted when I uploaded it. I will be re-uploading this file again. Secondly, I went way over my bandwidth limitations. The file will be avaible again once my cheque to pay for more bandwidth get thru. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) KW news service Date: 29 Jul 1997 08:27:24 GMT In response to the newsgroup questions. I had already set up a newsgroup on the ALT genre. The Group name is : alt.music.kraftwerk My former ISP compuserve carried the group, and there were several postings to it, most of those now being list members! I have just requested that my new ISP, Cable Internet carry the group. They will do from next month. This group is on the recognised branch for this type of discussion, so if you want to gain a wider bandwidth than uwp.maillist.kraftwerk, you should request that your support representatives at your ISP carry the group. Then try to post to it. See you there! Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Drecker (?) FM review (not Kraftwerk) Date: 29 Jul 1997 04:09:03 -0700 >And the video is rather interesting! Somewhere in the middle of it an >"Autobahn"-sign appears on the screen for a very short moment. In my >opinion >it is just too much "by the way" to be really without any intention. >What do >you think? They are too calculating and such super-perfectionists to let THAT slip past. It must be intentional. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:21:42 +-200 Date: 29 Jul 1997 03:29:10 -0700 >After all this talk about Komputer/Kraftwerk, I heard Divine=B4s Love >= >Reaction today (no, not for the first time). > >My question now is, did New Order get paid for the obvious rip-off of >= >Blue Monday? DAMNED!! Now that IS old... Bobby O just ripped it off, completely - no regrets (you get the idea). If anything, possibly from underground clubs where 'Love Reaction' was generally played it gave 'Blue Monday' free publicity in my opinion. New Order simply can't take Devine too seriously - she didn't! ; ) Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK.COM Date: 29 Jul 1997 16:10:03 +0100 Maybe someone else has done this before, but I came across this search engi= ne where you could see if your domain-name was taken and found this on kraftwerk=2Ecom :=20 >[rs=2Einternic=2Enet] Klingklang(R) Studio c/o Andreas Kuckartz (KRAFTWERK2-DOM) Hochstrasse 24 Dortmund, D-44149 DE Domain Name: KRAFTWERK=2ECOM Administrative Contact: Kuckartz, Andreas (AK978) compusic@COMPUSERVE=2ECOM +49 (231) 9 17 30 26 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Hostmaster, C2 (CH1196) hostmaster@C2=2ENET 510-986-8770 (FAX) 510-986-8777 Billing Contact: Kuckartz, Andreas (AK978) compusic@COMPUSERVE=2ECOM +49 (231) 9 17 30 26 Record last updated on 03-Dec-96=2E Record created on 03-Dec-96=2E Database last updated on 27-Jul-97 04:44:59 EDT=2E Domain servers in listed order: NS=2EC2=2ENET 208=2E139=2E36=2E36 PANGAEA=2EANG=2EECAFE=2EORG 194=2E129=2E42=2E2 NS2=2EINFONEX=2ENET 206=2E170=2E114=2E3 The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's)=2E Please use the whois server at nic=2Eddn=2Emil for MILNET Information=2E Can anybody get something out of this? Who is for instance Andreas Kuckartz and compusic? Well I don=B4t know=2E=2E=2E /johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) KRAFTWERK.COM Date: 29 Jul 1997 14:19:46 GMT >Can anybody get something out of this? >Who is for instance Andreas Kuckartz and compusic? Oh Blimey. Welcome back to the real world Jules!!!! Nothing has changed here has it?=20 Johann, check the digest archives and you'll find a load of info on Kuckartz and the whois system. Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK.COM Date: 29 Jul 1997 10:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Just ran an Altavista search for "Andreas Kuckartz" and turned up http://www.compusic.com. I'm not sure exactly what to make of it, but Compusic apparently has something to do with electronic equipment (including musical instruments)-- the English documentation is a little vague. Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Remake Blue Date: 29 Jul 1997 16:34:42 +0000 There has been mention of late that certain list members have seen copies of the KW Remake Blue for sale on the Internet. Can anyone advise me where to go to get this as I have the Remake Red and Pink already, but understand that the 'Blue' has a different track listing. I would thoroughly recommend these Acid/Trance style remixes if you are into that sort of thing. They are not the real deal, underground Chicago stuff, but worth having anyway. Craig. We walk into a club,.......and we start to dance, ..........we are.....? (Sing-a-long now!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Date: 29 Jul 1997 18:45:24 +0100 jbv wrote: > > Anyone interested in following the forthcoming KW tour ? > >From Linz to Karlsruhe to... > > Let's hope they'll go as far as New Delhi, Tokyo & Sydney, just > like in 81. > Are my recent postings so stupid that no one dares to reply ? Actually, I find the idea of following KW tour pretty exciting. Of course, that's for list members with plenty of time to waste. I was even thinking of cycling from one city to the next... ;-) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Par." Subject: Re: (kw) KRAFTWERK.COM Date: 29 Jul 1997 19:10:35 +1400 On 1997-07-29 johan.andersson@allers.aller.se said: >Maybe someone else has done this before, but I came across this >search engine where you could see if your domain-name was taken and >found this on kraftwerk.com : Where is this search engine? Arnaud de Bonald Paris, France Home Page: http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald - bbs/Fax: 01 43 87 10 51 Net-Tamer V 1.09.2 - Test Drive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Re: ISP Problems. (test message) Date: 29 Jul 1997 18:27:12 -0400 (EDT) This is a test message to see if it's getting through to the list in one piece. I still haven't received my own post from earlier today regarding ISP problems, so perhaps this will do the trick. Still looking for Adam L. Read and Jessica, so if you guys are out there get back to me. :-P -- Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Date: 30 Jul 1997 00:32:12 +0200 >All KW songs are highly political. Mostly because of the topics. well, maybe you intend political not in the ideological (left/right, communism/fascism) way but meaning that K songs concern us as a whole, a society etc., for instance when they sing about radioactive pollution (even if I think it's a late feature) or even when they sing about models and reaction of the most of the men toward them. but The Robots being an antitotalitarian song... mmmh... I don't think. I even don't think it was conceived to be anticonformist or anti-something at all. same for Computer World: it's just a description, not a critic. after all, there's nothing wrong in this system if it works. of course, if you expext a band to transmit some particular kind of message, they could sing whatever and if they are clever, their message will come out. anyway, once I see a really nice electro-something band live, I don't remember their name (and I even bought the t-shirt... the logo is a sort of triangle point down), those who know them will recall them for sure: they are vegetarian, anti-omophobic, sometime they stop give the mic to the audience, etc. so, they make a song titled "Industrial music is fascism" (they were antifascist, of course), in which they take fun of Kraftwerk, miming them in TEE video etc. well, it was clearly an exaggeration, and even a little stupid for me. yes, the real industrial music is sometime ambigue when playing with totalitarian iconology (see Laibach), but this is not to reclute short haired molotov bombing types. you rely on more classical rock genres for this. the problem is that oftem people banalize everything. as a name Kraftwerk sound german and in some countries german is sinonym (sp?) of extreme right wing for some historical reason (I disagree at all with this - but it's istintive and stupid people don't stop to think if their instinct are right or if they know everything about german history and culture - maybe, who know, that italian language is associted to something else that we don't realize). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe - the story continues Date: 30 Jul 1997 01:05:09 +0200 >As for now our chances are quite good. They will hopefully find a little >space in the neighbourhood of the kraftwerk stage. I said it could be funny >if we were allowed to call this space "MASCHINENRAUM" / "MACHINE-ROOM" and >they liked the idea. this is a reason good enough for itself to go there... shouldn't we feel allowed to mint a semi-official t-shirt? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Remake Blue Date: 30 Jul 1997 01:05:11 +0200 >copies of the KW Remake Blue for sale on the Internet. Can anyone >advise me where to go to get this as I have the Remake Red and Pink what are these things? I never heard (of) them... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Date: 29 Jul 1997 20:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Hi! Here is an update of the "meeting-people-list" : Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com Leon Mols Imols@pi.net Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com everybody who will be in Karlsruhe and wants a meeting: please put your name in ! Carsten Bolte. Kiel. it's more fun to compute # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Date: 30 Jul 1997 03:41:29 +0200 lbo wrote: > but The Robots being an antitotalitarian song... mmmh... I don't > think. I even don't think it was conceived to be anticonformist or > anti-something at all. same for Computer World: it's just a > description, not a critic. after all, there's nothing wrong in this > system if it works. I always saw that song as their manifesto, not a political statement. > yes, the real industrial music is sometime ambigue when playing with > totalitarian iconology (see Laibach), but this is not to reclute short > haired molotov bombing types. you rely on more classical rock genres > for this. But the use given by Laibach is deliberate. It's not a question of ambiguity but rather a form of criticism and expression. Laibach have a very personal music style using nazi imagery because it fits their own purposes: the only music not affected by political manipulation (and, as we have seen, even Kraftwerk were manipulated by being characterized as a right-wing band) is the one that speaks of the manipulation itself, or so they say. > the problem is that oftem people banalize everything. as a name > Kraftwerk sound german and in some countries german is sinonym (sp?) > of extreme right wing for some historical reason (I disagree at all > with this - but it's istintive and stupid people don't stop to think > if their instinct are right or if they know everything about german > history and culture - maybe, who know, that italian language is > associted to something else that we don't realize). I agree, but you have to respect other people's opinions, if they find that something is offensive. I can also distance myself from the historical overtones that things or concepts have, but that does not give me the right to freely use them, even if it's not intended as harmful. For instance, you may regard the swastika as a pretty ordinary symbol from the rune alphabet. But it is undeniable that it carries a strong, different and offensive meaning for quite a number of people. Kraftwerk was a word that in the past was related to nazi rule, and so it is understandable that for some it is not readily acceptable (even in the instance that the meaning we fans of the band give it has nothing to do with past meanings). So it may not always be a stupid attitude, but more of a reaction with pretty good historical reasons. But I don't deny that all over the world there are people who react just because. And worst of all, they react because it is "politically correct," not because they formed a valid opinion on the subject. Just a few thoughts. -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Date: 29 Jul 1997 20:26:58 +0200 (MEST) Hi! On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, jbv wrote: > > jbv wrote: > > > > Anyone interested in following the forthcoming KW tour ? > > >From Linz to Karlsruhe to... > > > > Let's hope they'll go as far as New Delhi, Tokyo & Sydney, just > > like in 81. > > > Are my recent postings so stupid that no one dares to reply ? Yes, because there are two main problems: The first is called: TIME The second is called: MONEY SCNR ... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Yamo US release Date: 30 Jul 1997 09:52:09 +0000 From rec.music.progressive: > Subject: * * NEW RELEASES * * > From: "cleopatra@tunanet.com" > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:31:01 -0700 > > Cleopatra Label Group New Releases From July through September 1997 [...] > Hypno 9/9/97 * 0119 * YAMO (KRAFTWERK) * Time Pie * $15.98 * Hypno # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Date: 30 Jul 1997 02:26:27 -0700 >For instance, you may regard the swastika as a pretty ordinary symbol >from the rune alphabet. But it is undeniable that it carries a >strong, >different and offensive meaning for quite a number of people. >Kraftwerk >was a word that in the past was related to nazi rule, and so it is >understandable that for some it is not readily acceptable (even in the >instance that the meaning we fans of the band give it has nothing to >do >with past meanings). I realise that this might not seem appropriate, however, as an American who has no real idea of what Europeans are like - is the idea of nazi very prevolent? I'm not referring to seeing skins or whatnot, but is nazism commonly spoken about? In my community we very rarely make any remarks about nazi - except as a joke comparing an individual to a nazi - and even then it's extremely rare. I've never seen anyone purposely wearing the swastika, except skinheads or native americans (as a symbol of healing). Is political activism common thoughout Europeans? In my state, sure we bitch and moan about law, but we don't mull over the wars - any of them. I've never really seen much of Europe aside from the television and movies, but people and ideas appear to be pretty much the same. Or, in fact am I getting a "sterilized" view of what people are really like? Kraftwerk appear as sanitary, but by being so I get the impression that it's all done "tongue in cheek". The music, the image, the interviews... From what I've read about them, they give such non-direct, impersonal statements that I can only assume that this is an over-obvious attempt to shroud. So obvious that again it's more humorous than serious in my opinion. From my perspective, they have been laughing at everything and everyone ever since they became Kraftwerk. "It's more fun to compute"? They are making important social views comical. I love them. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer lecture Date: 30 Jul 1997 17:28:58 +0200 (DFT) Taken from a recent KLEM newsletter: > KLEMdag 1997: > De voorverkoop loopt prima, en we kunnen twee extra aktiviteiten melden: > Der Vorverkauf geht prima, und wir koennen 2 neue Aktivitaeten > bekanntgeben: > The presales are going well, and we can announce 2 extra activities: > > Lezing door / Vortrag durch / Lecture by: > Wolfgang Flur (Yamo, ex Kraftwerk) > die zijn muzikale loopbaan vanaf het begin tot nu vertelt > der seine musikalische Biografie von Anfang bis jetzt erzaehlt > who tell his musical biografy from the early days till now [...] The 1997 KLEMdag takes places on October 11th, at De Vereeniging, Nijmegen, Netherlands. More info about the KLEMdag can be found at http://wwwps.uci.kun.nl/~matheu/klem/kldag.htm Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Date: 30 Jul 1997 17:25:44 +0100 >On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, jbv wrote: > > > > Anyone interested in following the forthcoming KW tour ? > > >From Linz to Karlsruhe to... > > > > Let's hope they'll go as far as New Delhi, Tokyo & Sydney, just > > like in 81. > > > >Are my recent postings so stupid that no one dares to reply ? >On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, SCNR wrote: >Yes, because there are two main problems: >The first is called: TIME >The second is called: MONEY Oh sorry ! I didn't know this list was a low-budget one... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Date: 30 Jul 1997 16:46:33 +0000 Maybe this is just a bit of light humour, but lets not get into the snobbery discussion which indicates those of us who have perhaps more money than other list members. It's not big and it's not clever.......! Is it me, or has the list been extremely boring lately? No-body seems to have much to say these days! I have advertsied this on the Market Platz but I have some seven inch vinyl I am willing to trade or sell, they are: Das Model - German original picture sleeve Pocket Calculator - Yellow vinyl USA Promo, clear picture sleeve Tour De France - Warner Bros. Promo, no picture sleeve, but in the original Warner Bros. sleeve. French version and remix. Let me know what you have, or want to offer. Regards, Craig. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Date: 30 Jul 1997 18:20:57 +0100 >>All KW songs are highly political. Mostly because of the topics. >well, maybe you intend political not in the ideological (left/right, >communism/fascism) way but meaning that K songs concern us as a whole, >a society etc., Well, that's a very interesting discussion which would require long developments. First, I'd like to say that by "political", I didn't mean left/right or communism/fascism which to me have nothing to do with politics, only with puppet theater. Someone else on this list mentionned the tongue-in-cheek attitude of KW and I think this is much closer to truth than stupid statements like "german musicians with short hair playing industrial music are certainly nazis". Actually, when I mentionned politics, I meant people who sing about our daily lives and our relationships with technology and the choices we're making regarding our future with those technologies ARE DEALING with political topics. I think KW songs could be a very good soundtrack for the books by Jean Baudrillard. Furthermore, their lyrics are so simple and so accurate (a little bit like japanese haikus) than various interpretations are possible, starting at the surface level and going deeper and deeper. KW are very good at pointing out the emptiness of our lives, in spite of all the useless techno toys we try to fill them with. Don't expect any straight message from their lyrics. But DO expect profound refelctions and thoughts and consistency from their work as a whole (melodies, lyrics, soundscapes, technological choices, concept of albums, attitude, public image, hobbies, concerts designs, videos, etc. etc.) Their work reminds me of some movies by Fassbinder (who, BTW, used some of their music in some of his movies, and forced the film crew to listen to KW music non-stop) : at first you can hear some nice pop tunes (just like Fassb. movies can be viewed as love stories). But with a clever look, you can see something more complex and consistent, dealing with the history and future of Germany and even the whole Europe (Europe endless). A good trick is to remember the social / political context of each album. Let's take Man Machine for instance. It was released circa May 78. What did we have at that time ? It was the end of the disco period and the start of the Moroder's sound in Munchen. Star Wars #1 had been released 6 months ago and the world was going crazy for D2R2. At the same time, it was a peak of cold war with Germany being the center of the discussion with plans of setting up missiles facing USSR on that territory, and people shouting "better red than dead". Then what did we get ? A song called THE ROBOTS with catchy sounds ala D2R2 at the beginning, a song called THE MODEL, and mostly an album cover inspired by El Lissitzky, showing 4 german guys in red shirts and black ties posing like members of the red army and looking towards east... And I don't forget the cyrillic lettering and the russian lyrics of THE ROBOTS. In short, each KW album is, IMO, a very good polaroid shot of the period of time it was released. Sorry, I don't have time for further developments, but I hope it won't end the discussion. ----------------- On the same discussion, someone from the US wondered whether "the idea of nazi is prevolent" in Europe ? Well, (and in few words), svatiska and skinheads are the trees hiding the forest. Fascist ideology is getting much more clever these days and uses much more sophisticated disguise. What about a trip to France, that wonderful and cultured country where the leader of an extreme-right party gets 15% of votes at the first round of presidential election ? Austria is another cool place : their mountains, their countless historical places, their fascist party... Is this totally off-topic with a KW list ? May be. May be not... In Vienna we sit in a late-night cafe Straight connection, T.E.E. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Date: 30 Jul 1997 18:54:24 +0100 Craig Land wrote: > > Maybe this is just a bit of light humour, but lets not get into the > snobbery discussion which indicates those of us who have perhaps more > money than other list members. It's not big and it's not > clever.......! > Question 1 : have you ever heard the expression "tongue-in-cheek" ? Question 2 : do you really think I could have enough money & time to follow a band on a world tour ? Question 3 : suppose I have enough money & time to follow a band on a world tour, perhaps a few other list members are in the same situation and could be thrilled by the experience... Question 4 : do you really think I'm thinking of cycling from New Delhi to Tokyo to Sydney ? OK. If every one thinks it's going bad taste, I'll stop. (However, I really like the idea of following KW -and ONLY KW- on a world tour, or at least on a european tour, which shouldn't be that expensive). Cheers, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Date: 30 Jul 1997 18:47:48 GMT >Is it me, or has the list been extremely boring lately? No-body=20 >seems to have much to say these days! It's the list Craig. I'm tryin' to think of something to post m'self. BTW, hey Richard P, my mails to you are bouncing like my cheques!! Where are you? Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Yamo US release Date: 30 Jul 1997 19:06:40 -0400 On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:52:09 +0000 "Klaus Zaepke" writes: > > >>From rec.music.progressive: > >> Subject: * * NEW RELEASES * * >> From: "cleopatra@tunanet.com" >> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:31:01 -0700 >> >> Cleopatra Label Group New Releases From July through September 1997 >[...] >> Hypno 9/9/97 * 0119 * YAMO (KRAFTWERK) * Time Pie * $15.98 * Hypno That's great, but why does it HAVE to be on Cleopatra? I think that label must be the worst in the entire country. That I-don-give-a-fuck-about-the-music-and-its-artwork doesn't sit well in my stomach. After the horror stories about the Cleopatra re-releases of the KW Capitol/EMI albums and the awful job they did on the "Goa Box" I don't think I'll ever buy something on that label ever again. They do such a shitty job, as if the music is disposable garbage. The only label that might be worse is that no-talent Master P.'s No Limit Records. Ever seen such cheesy graphic design? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Date: 31 Jul 1997 03:54:42 +0200 >(However, I really like the idea of following KW -and ONLY KW- >on a world tour, or at least on a european tour, which shouldn't be >that expensive). well, after all a K world tour would mean that everybody will have to travel less to see them... but on the other way, we could loose the occasion to (ehm...) gather in Karlsruhe or Linz and acquiring visibility as fan group (having "our space"... wow! :-) ) anyway I was a tour manager for some time, that means go on tour with foreign bands through Italy trying to avoid that those poor guys accustomed to strange north-european uses like respecting signed contracts were completely ripped off by local organizers, with groups like Thin White Rope, Lush, Sister Double Happiness, In The Nursery and others. it was the best job I ever did, and I wouldn't believe that people get even paid for this. anyway, from the audience point of view... mmmh... I don't know. now that I am "retired", I can't really just see a concert and have fun... and for the relatively unknown group I was with, it was a good surprise to see same faces after two dates and they get in touch with them, but with K... the interesting thing is that most of us in the list, I saw from the home pages, are also electronic musicians, so if they are workers of music and we shouldn't care of who play music like we shouldn't care who built our car (but I will anyway), we could care about having them to "teach" us something... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Date: 31 Jul 1997 03:54:50 +0200 >For instance, you may regard the swastika as a pretty ordinary symbol >from the rune alphabet. But it is undeniable that it carries a strong, >different and offensive meaning for quite a number of people. Kraftwerk yes, I agree that I would have an hard time explaining to the mother of my jew friend why today someone will tatoo himself a svastika because it was one of the most ancient symbols of the cultures of all the world etc. and it was just lately that it was strongly misused, so to say. (same when explaining an old italian partisan why Daf are not fascist apologetic when singing Tanz der Mussolini). then again the use of svastica, outside of the nazi meaning, of course, but for instances referring to the its true old meaning cannot be morally vetoed forever. not that I feel an urge to that, anyway. (now think about it: in some alt.politic.something people could tell that there is a neonazi Kraftwerk ml where there is this lbo guy that say is good to use the svastika again... italian newspapers are full of this shortlinks) instead we should pose moral veto on dangerous ideologies, not just relying on symbols and symbology but examining them, from where they came and where they are pointing and by which means, something that require effort that not everybody want to take - so, you dress black? you're fascist and we beat you. so we feel meritorious easily and rapidly and even save to think about it. too easy. you listen Kraftwerk? Kraftwerk=german, the only things I know from Germany is Rudi Voeller and nazism, you're not a footbal fan so you should be a nazi. now, while in effect I respect the feeling of offended people, when the reasoning above is made by young mentally lazy people that ask their parents money to buy books and records on how to be young anticonformist rebels, then I should call this stupidity. At last, this should have been the word, superficiality. now, having once been injuried for really silly syllogistical reason like above by a lot of unknown drunk ones at an university party, I am offended when people stop to the skin of the matter when they have the resources to think better. >react because it is "politically correct," not because they formed a >valid opinion on the subject. yes, this is better condensed, what I tried to say. now turning to Kraftwerk, the world need (to emphatically put it) a group that can sing about antennas and oscillators, about computer archives etc., even if in a impressionist way, about technology for the sake of itself, because technology is not just a tv remote controller, but is something you should put some effort to understand, not just feel, and is not an opinion. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) Cleopatra Date: 31 Jul 1997 03:55:02 +0200 >That's great, but why does it HAVE to be on Cleopatra? I think that label c'mon, after all Cleopatra is the only one that take care of another group I like a lot, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry. yes, sometime the artwork could be better, but think about it: you have a record to get out, you're probably a few people firm, the guy who do computer images is on vacation or your mouse is broken, you have distribution contracts to honour, you make it in a way or another that this record get on the market without too fuss. it's better a so-so product (or a so-so cover) than no product at all... and maybe there is a market that calls for low prices things to listen, even if they are not the best audio quality... we are not all pro dj or owner of hi hend equipment. take myself: 90% of the music I voluntarily listen is tape through a medium quality walkman... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: Re: (kw) Cleopatra Date: 30 Jul 1997 22:11:55 -0400 For all their loathsomeness, at least Cleopatra brings albums back into print with additional remixes, b-sides and etc. I just got their reprints of two essential Heaven 17 albums, and they're soon to release The Human League's DARE... Aldo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Date: 31 Jul 1997 00:20:51 -0600 (MDT) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race knows enough about thinking to prevent it." * - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Date: 31 Jul 1997 00:22:56 -0600 (MDT) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race knows enough about thinking to prevent it." * - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Date: 31 Jul 1997 00:25:33 -0600 (MDT) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race knows enough about thinking to prevent it." * - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Cleopatra Date: 30 Jul 1997 23:41:46 -0700 >For all their loathsomeness, at least Cleopatra brings albums back >into print with additional remixes, b-sides and etc. I just got their > >reprints of two essential Heaven 17 albums, and they're soon to >release The Human League's DARE... They also sign groups like Kraftwelt and put out those 'Trancewerk Express' discs... They are not at all a "quality" record company from the recording standpoint, which is such a pity, but they do rock because of the risk-taking ventures with otherwise non-mainstream music. Let's face it - Kraftwerk is not mainstream music, therefore they are considered to be a money pit by investing record companies. I'm appalled at the reproductions from a consumers view, but very impressed with the balls that Cleopatra has for investing in them. The Capitol box set on the other hand... ;) Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Date: 30 Jul 1997 23:59:26 -0700 >>Is political activism common thoughout Europeans? >Isn't it in America? Not really... Although I am bias by the groups I hang around - technogeeks, nerds, bookworms, drag queens and goths. We so rarely discuss, debate or otherwise mull-over the events of the nation. I wouldn't say that we are not concerned so much as uninterested. >> From what I've read about them, they give such >> non-direct, impersonal statements that I can only assume that this is an >> over-obvious attempt to shroud. So obvious that again it's more >>humorous than serious in my opinion. From my perspective, they have been >>laughing at everything and everyone ever since they became Kraftwerk. >I think it is about art again.When you start doing things like >'Kraftwerk', you only have a little idea what it is all about and >where it get's you. Then you try to make your expressions and people come >and talk about it and you realize: 10 people have 11 different >understandings of what you are trying to say. So what they decided to do >is, making the statements such ambigous that it's hard to argue about >it. But the real exciting thing of Kraftwerk is -in my opinion- that >they are doing such great art, that people will talk about 10, 20 or >more years later and still say there were true and important things in >their words. Like there are still true and important things in a >painting of e.g. Vincent van Gogh. I feel that you've really hit the heart of it. Kraftwerk is a concept, not at all associated with music per se, but the music is an extension of the idea. This makes me really wonder about the Ralf and Florian... Are they "acting" Kraftwerk, or did they one day discover that the way that they think and act is Kraftwerk? Natural or not, they are facinating people. Does anyone know if Ralf has a wife, girlfriend, lover or whatnot? I've heard that Florian has a girlfriend whom he is seen with, but nothing about Ralf. Only the bicycle friends, coffee-house pals and Kraftwerk members are who I hear of him being seen with. This hidden dimension of relationships is carefully masked from most Kraftwerk activity. Why? Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam (L) Read" Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Date: 31 Jul 1997 19:37:20 +1000 jbv wrote: > Anyone interested in following the forthcoming KW tour ? > Let's hope they'll go as far as New Delhi, Tokyo & Sydney, just > like in 81. Got my ticket to ZKM show today! ...now I just have to work out how to get from Sydney to Karlsruhe......... Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Date: 31 Jul 1997 10:15:06 GMT > Anyone interested in following the forthcoming KW tour ? >> Let's hope they'll go as far as New Delhi, Tokyo & Sydney, just >> like in 81. Yes, I'm hoping they'll go all the way to Mars!=20 hmmmm, I'll phone Ticketmaster tonight! Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Date: 31 Jul 1997 07:30:48 -0400 (EDT) >people. Does anyone know if Ralf has a wife, girlfriend, lover or >whatnot? I've heard that Florian has a girlfriend whom he is seen with, >but nothing about Ralf. Only the bicycle friends, coffee-house pals and >Kraftwerk members are who I hear of him being seen with. This hidden >dimension of relationships is carefully masked from most Kraftwerk >activity. Why? Well, this aspect of their private lives wasn't always kept such a mystery. Think back to 1973, when not only was some of the photography inside the 'Ralf & Florian' album cover done by Florian's girlfriend Barabra Niem=F6ller, but the Musicomix insert contained pictures of Ralf & Florian's significant others (Isabella & Barbara respectively), not to mention Florian's mom and sisters as well. =20 Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill MBARNHIL@email.gc.cuny.edu "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Date: 31 Jul 1997 12:02:00 GMT Scott M. Barnhill wrote: >Think back to 1973, when not only was some of the photography >inside the 'Ralf & Florian' album cover done by Florian's girlfriend = Barabra >Niem=F6ller, but the Musicomix insert contained pictures of Ralf & = Florian's >significant others (Isabella & Barbara respectively), not to mention >Florian's mom and sisters as well. =20 Also, Bussey's book mentions that Ralf lives with his Sister.=20 I wonder, do you think his only long lasting love affair is with his bikes? Shimanofillia springs to mind....... Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Yamo US release Date: 31 Jul 1997 11:21:30 EDT On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 19:06:40 -0400 muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) writes: >That's great, but why does it HAVE to be on Cleopatra? I think that >label must be the worst in the entire country. That >I-don-give-a-fuck-about-the-music-and-its-artwork doesn't sit well in >my stomach. After the horror stories about the Cleopatra re-releases >of the KW Capitol/EMI albums and the awful job they did on the "Goa >Box" I don't think I'll ever buy something on that label ever again. >They do such a shitty job, as if the music is disposable garbage. The >only label that might be worse is that no-talent Master P.'s No Limit >Records. Ever seen >such cheesy graphic design? Peace. hey, at least they re-release a truckload of stuff...the music is from the masters, so who cares about cheesy packaging...i say god bless cleopatra/hypnotic...(who else would release a 2cd set of cluster's american tour?) tom w np: brand x - live at the roxy la 1973 (on: who else?) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) update! Date: 31 Jul 1997 17:51:01 +0200 Hello, folks!=20 =20 I have now updated my KW web page with two more pics.=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 =20 =20 CUL8R !=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 P.S. Noone has commented yet on the new Tour de France image at=20 www.kraftwerk.com=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Date: 31 Jul 1997 08:03:40 +0200 Bill C Talley wrote: In my community we very rarely make any > remarks about nazi - except as a joke comparing an individual to a nazi - Germans are very sensitive about nazi and all related stuff, they don't joke about it, mostly, but when they do, it's kind of bad tasted. Is political activism common thoughout Europeans? Isn't it in America? From what I've read about them, they give such > non-direct, impersonal statements that I can only assume that this is an > over-obvious attempt to shroud. So obvious that again it's more humorous than serious in my opinion. From my perspective, they have been laughing at everything and everyone ever since they became Kraftwerk. I think it is about art again.When you start doing things like 'Kraftwerk', you only have a little idea what it is all about and where it get's you. Then you try to make your expressions and people come and talk about it and you realize: 10 people have 11 different understandings of what you are trying to say. So what they decided to do is, making the statements such ambigous that it's hard to argue about it. But the real exciting thing of Kraftwerk is -in my opinion- that they are doing such great art, that people will talk about 10, 20 or more years later and still say there were true and important things in their words. Like there are still true and important things in a painting of e.g. Vincent van Gogh. TD -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ralphm@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (kw) Yamo US release Date: 31 Jul 1997 13:18:02 -0400 >hey, at least they re-release a truckload of stuff...the music is from >the masters, so who cares about cheesy packaging...i say god bless >cleopatra/hypnotic...(who else would release a 2cd set of cluster's >american tour?) >tom w My two cents: Cleopatra is better than nothing at all, which is what you get in my neck of the woods (Atlanta), nothing else otherwise. I don't understand about the packaging, unless there are different versions. I have The Man Machine and T.E.E. and they look almost identical to the album versions. Except for the added comments by certain writers of magazines, etc. I did see the triple set of CD's and was going to buy it but I didn't have that much money at the time. I bought T.M.M. and T.E.E., but now I can't find Radio Activity which was the third in the set. Those are the only CD's I have seen lately except for Electric Cafe. I also am wondering if The Mix ever made it to CD. I have the cassette copy but it got ruined. I was looking through some of my tapes and found OMD's Sugar Tax album. That's the one with their version of Neon Lights. I had completely forgotten about it. I am still kinda new to this list and wondered if it has been talked about before here. Ralph P.S. I am not putting anyone down about their views on Cleopatra, but some of us have to take what we can get. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) KW tour 97 Date: 31 Jul 1997 10:06:21 Mr Land wrote: Is it me, or has the list been extremely boring lately? No-body seems to have much to say these days! >> Damn right Craig, someone stir things up for god's sake!<< # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alexander Peter Zillner" Subject: (kw) Tickets for Linz Date: 31 Jul 1997 19:38:52 +0000 Hi! Ticket pre-sale for Kraftwerk at Linz on 16th of October will start on Thu 28th of August 14.00 MEST. Further Infos: +43-732-781800 Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) The Robots as a political song Date: 31 Jul 1997 16:00:27 Does anyone know if Ralf has a wife, girlfriend, lover or whatnot? I've heard that Florian has a girlfriend whom he is seen with, but nothing about Ralf. Only the bicycle friends, coffee-house pals and Kraftwerk members are who I hear of him being seen with. This hidden dimension of relationships is carefully masked from most Kraftwerk activity. Why? >>My theory is that the "real" Ralf Hutter is only seen when the videoscreens are lowered to the sound of Robotronik. The Ralf that rides the bike is a look- alike actor used for concert appearances only!<< regards to all Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Date: 31 Jul 1997 20:22:58 +0100 Jules Seifert wrote: > > > Also, Bussey's book mentions that Ralf lives with his Sister. > I wonder, do you think his only long lasting love affair is with his > bikes? > > Shimanofillia springs to mind....... > This is typical to the overall atmosphere of this list : a discussion about political dimensions of KW lyrics turns quickly into a discussion about Ralf's possible love affair with his bikes or his sister... CRAP-Werk, really... When you consider the center of interests of some KW fans, it's easy to understand why R&F didn't release anything new in 11 years ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Klaftwelk Date: 31 Jul 1997 21:49:45 +-200 Hi "Werkers" Hmmm... Got the Japan CD of Computer World today, and as I was looking at the lyrics I found the following: "Interpol and Deutschland, FBI and Scotland Yard"!!! While on the sleeve, it says: "Interpol and Deusche BANK, FBI and Scotland Yard". And thats not the only one!!! So, if you cant even get that one right, why bother? Ive noticed this on, like 98 percent of my Japan CDs. Why dont they just connect to the Kraftwerk Infobahr for instance, and get it all right? Ok, so they got "Its more fun to compute" right, but still ;-) Uffe _________________________________________________________________________ Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ # Peektime viewing blown in a flash, as I burn into your memory cells# ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Cleopatra re-issues. Date: 31 Jul 1997 16:37:10 -0400 (EDT) > I don't understand about the packaging, unless there are different >versions. I have The Man Machine and T.E.E. and they look almost identical >to the album versions. Except for the added comments by certain writers of >magazines, etc. You lost me on this one. Out of the three Cleopatra re-issues, 'The Man-Machine' (CLEO58772) is the one which has a different album cover than the original version of the album. It features a close-up shot of the 4 KW members' heads in ascending order (Florian, Ralf, Wolfgang, Karl). This picture was taken from the photo which appeared on the inner sleeve of the original 'Man-Machine' album on Capitol. The actual cover artwork of the original 'The Man-Machine' LP appears nowhere on the Cleopatra version's packaging. As far as the other two Cleo re-issues go, they much more closely resemble the original covers, but still contain slight differences. For instance, the 'Trans-Europe Express' re-issue contains a darker tinted version of the J. Stara cover photo, as well as re-sizing and re-arranging the band name and album title. As for 'Radio-Activity', the re-issue's cover contains an enlarged band name and altered coloring on its cover. See below for more on this one. >that much money at the time. I bought T.M.M. and T.E.E., but now I can't >find Radio Activity which was the third in the set. That's funny, 'Radio-Activity' has always been the one I've seen more frequently than any other KW compact disc in the catalog! Considering the fact that Cleopatra has re-issued this disc in slightly different packaging three times so far since 1992, one would expect to find it easily in one form or another. In '92 it was re-issued with the green-tinted radio cover against black background, and subsequently it has been released by Cleopatra with a silver-tint version and a white-tint version as well. Obviously, of these the white-tint version looks the most like the original Capitol one. > Those are the only CD's I have seen lately except for Electric Cafe. I >also am wondering if The Mix ever made it to CD. I have the cassette copy >but it got ruined. Sure enough, 'The Mix' was released on compact disc in both the German & English language versions, as well as cassette and vinyl, all in 1991. -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill MBARNHIL@email.gc.cuny.edu "Wir sind Schaufensterpuppen..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Klaftwelk Date: 31 Jul 1997 17:05:46 -0400 (EDT) >Got the Japan CD of Computer World today, and as I was looking at the lyrics I found the following: >"Interpol and Deutschland, FBI and Scotland Yard"!!! >While on the sleeve, it says: "Interpol and Deusche BANK, FBI and Scotland Yard". >And thats not the only one!!! >So, if you cant even get that one right, why bother? :-) I had mentioned this to the list not so long ago when I picked up my copy of that disc as well. My personal favorite is the translation of "Home Computer": "Natural ran my home computer, in myself and to the future." There's a couple of other little translation mishaps, but all in all it's a cute item to own, and it's also nice having an official copy of "Dentaku" on CD as well. -- Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender.